How do I adjust a Discbine | Roll Gap vs Roll Tension

Many people look for guidance on changing their roll gap, but they are asking the wrong question. Manufacturers tell us that instead of making changes to the roll gap, we should be making changes to the roll tension instead. Let's dive into the difference between these adjustments.
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[@mtwz71]

Nice video explaining the difference between roll gap and pressure. Loved how the John Deere can was used as an example. Good times, Trent’s Shop Works.

[@danielrapoza8468]

Neil, for those of us non farmers what exactly is a discbine and where is it used. Love your content, even if I would never use this particular product.

[@MessicksEquip]

mowing hay

[@obieacres4676]

Thanks for the video because I just noticed my adjustment screw came apart so this video was very timely

[@user-tc3ou6sy5f]

Ive had a New Holland haybine now for 25 year. When I bought it I soon found it took a long time for the hay to dry. I checked the roll gap. It still had one quarter inch of spacers between the rolls !! This is for doing oats. Not hay ! I removed all shims. What an amazing difference in hay drying time !!! The rolls have been running tight together since I had the machine Full pressure also ! Never had any damage to the rolls ! Farmers that bought a haybine and still have the shim in.......are cutting hay with a sickle mower ! They dont know any better because the book says so. Seen most hay bines at sales with the shims still in. You can run the hay bine for at least 10 minutes with no hay going through it. The rolls might get warm...no more then that !

[@rossharwood2678]

I have a 408 that I just got. It has around 8th to quarter gap. My hay took 3 days, even then still green stuff after wedding twice. I'm thinking the gap is too large. Why is there shims at all..

[@jerrylansbury9558]

@@rossharwood2678 The gap is for doing " oats" or other seed head crops that of which you want to save from seed loss. Hay............ why not adjust so the rolls are " touching " ???? If you can pull a sheet of paper out from between the rolls........its too far apart ! Why cut hay if your going back the the sickle mower.......no conditioning !!!! Over 80 % if the haybines Ive seen at sales.......have shims between the rolls. Fact is they are rusted in ! Farmers never knew they should be removed. Early models were shipped with out shims. The shims were bolted on beside and center of each end of the rolls. Later models were shipped with the shim in place. Its sad......farmers never understood why their hay never dried ! Some claim it damages the rolls if they touch. Well my haybine ran for 30 years....tight as I could get the rolls together...... rolls were like new !

[@bladewiper]

Interesting video. I am sure there are lots of misconceptions, that could be clarified with a short video. Could be the restart of 3 minute Thursday.

[@williamdevenney2968]

We run a discbine (Mower/Conditioner) for making haylage as well as hay. Given that we are less interested in moisture loss, would it be correct that less roll tension should be set for mowing for haylage? Or is the difference indistinguishable?

[@parchechuletaovero9507]

It would be Nice to have a dealership like yours in my area.shame i farm in Argentina.Cheers

[@JCWren]

Nice poke at John Deere there, Neil.

[@MessicksEquip]

May have been the entire basis for the video 🙂

[@pjmtts]

So rolling and crimp is for good hay and the flailing action is for garbage with more woody material ?

[@MessicksEquip]

basically, yes.

[@nalley6815]

@@MessicksEquipuh what? So wrong

[@nalley6815]

Rollers are for leafy crops like alfalfa, clover, etc. flails are to be used in grass hay

[@wildbill23c]

Neil, a good video idea could be a Swather VS Discbine video....every farmer that does hay where I live here in Western Idaho uses a swather for hay fields, whether it be grass hay, alfalfa, or a mixture. Which machine is actually better, and why? A swather from my understanding is a combination of a sickle bar mower, and a reel that pulls the material through and into the auger. Where the discbine is more of a rotary type mower action? Might be a good video comparison at some point.

[@acdii]

Difference is mainly in the cutter, both accomplish the exact same thing. A sickle bar type uses segments and guards to cut the hay, where the rotary uses spinning disks with cutters to cut, both shoot the hay into the rollers to crimp. The reel on the sickle type feeds the hay in, where the rotary is self feeding. The sickle type is more prone to clogging up where the rotary doesn't. It can go through heavier hay. Downside is they require a lot more horsepower to run where a sickle type can get by with a compact utility of 40 horsepower.

[@farming4g]

@@acdii depending on climate and soiltype, each have their pros and cons. For more damp hay a disc mower is the way to go; more dry climate/sandy soil a sickle machine could be more preferred for a better cut and less fire hazard.

[@SLCFarms]

Don’t think we don’t see you crushed a Deere with a newholand lol

[@MessicksEquip]

May have been the entire basis for the video. 🙂

[@farming4g]

Busch really needs to step up their game and get new holland blue and massey red on their cans too.

[@peteragnel509]

How often should you have to adjust roll gap for roll wear?

[@user-tc3ou6sy5f]

Run the rolls tight together. Id dont cause any damage. This is foolishness. Hay is going through the rolls protecting the rolls !

[@mikenicholas5218]

Word meaning does make a difference.

[@mesh1248]

Jealousy shows lol wonder how come a beer company won’t put new Holland on a can lol

[@nalley6815]

Because new holland makes the worst equipment ever 😂