How Do I Respond to the Claim of a Jehovah's Witness That Jesus Is Not God?

[@eyeswideopen8046]

I used to be a Jehovah's Witness and knew the New World Translations almost by heart. I hate to tell you, but their Bible does not say " before Abraham was, I Am" at John 8:58 , it say's " before Abraham was, I have been." They have cleverly changed any inference that Jesus is God. It's very hard to prove using the New World Translation. I didn't see it until I read the King James Bible and saw all the places they had changed God's Word to fit their doctrine. Now I know the truth about Jesus. It's hard to convince a Jehovah's Witness that Jesus is not a created angel named Michael. It's hard to convince a Jehovah's Witness to read another Bible besides theirs.

[@zollsm6386]

Eyes Wide Open That's because the JW New World Translation as with other translation sticks to the oldest and most reliable source, examples like the NIV, ESV, etc. The King James Version of the bible does not apply the oldest and most reliable source at all and is solely based on what is translated in the 16th century. So these so called changes were in represents to the 4th century source instead of the altered 16th source. The belief of Michael and Jesus being one in the same is a belief from the 8th and or 9th century which is way beyond the JWs came into existence. John 8 : 58 does not prove Jesus is God because any man can investigate for themselves that ego eimi and ego eimi ho on are different and how common it was to the Greek people of that time who speaks this way, something of which I explained to the other guy who tried to mix Greek Words together. JWs are merely restorationist Christians for they care nothing more of strict adherence to the bible and Christians like that are rare, and are the only ones to be attacked time and time again by mainstream Christianity.

[@eyeswideopen8046]

Zoll, do you know who translated the New World Translation Bible and did they have any knowledge of the Hebrew or Greek languages? I beg you to compare the NWT to their own Greek interlinear. It is unbelievably inaccurate. Do your research, and not on JW. Org. Hebrews chapter one proves Jesus is not an angel. Read it for yourself, and pray for understanding. Revelation clearly states that Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, the First and the Last. The one who is coming, who was dead and is now alive. Revelation chapters 1 & 2. Jehovah's Witnesses are not being attacked, they are being exposed. They portray our Lord and Savior as an angel. They reject his precious sacrifice by rejecting the bread and wine. They memorialize his death, yet he is not dead. He is alive, he is our MIghty King, our Lord of Lords, our Judge, our Savior. Praise be to Him! God bless

[@zollsm6386]

Eyes Wide Open Do not be foolish. It is not a matter if how well someone knows the language and or not, it is by means if sheer biblical hermeneutics and respecting the source. The New World Translation, as with a with a few bible translations follow the Septuagint, the oldest and most reliable source the bible is based off off, anything outside of that is utter nonsense. The Interlinear Bible of the Jehovah's Witnesses is based off of the 1550, for if you are unaware of that number, in English from a theological standpoint the 1550 is the Stephens Textus Receptus (among others). There are other Textus Receptus verisons that are known to be false, apparently this one is not, and what adds moe proof and fact is that the 1550 is on a majority of bible translations sites so anyone can compare the 1550 to any Interlinear that is based off the 1550, in turn, the Septuagint unlike other Textus Receptus translations that have been tampered with. I do not need to do the research, I know my hermeneutics, I know my Christology, I know the history of the church, the church fathers, and a plethora of other things, this includes the Great Awakening, and since this is a discussion about Jehovah's Witnesses, the Second and Third Awakening that is come out of the Restorationist Movement that has brought Christianity into the world stage. In the history of Jews, Jesus was a representative of God, one who has done Shaliah Principle also known as Angelic Agency, something of which all messengers of God are bounded to, hence Angel, meaning Malak, which in English means, Messenger. Jesus is basically an Angel, in this regard, a Messenger who is speaking the Word of God by means of Shaliah Principle. Hebrews chapter 1 only proves that Jesus has been exalted by God and made superior beforw his angelic brothers and nothing more, all sons of God, but this one, is of whom God exalted because he is the only begotten. Plus you have Apostle Paul to thank for he himself referred to the Christ as an Angel (Malak). Actually this is only Revelations chapter 1. The Septuagint proves that as well as biblical hermeneutics and it does not prove Jesus, a man who claims he has a God (John 20 : 17), is God. The Trinitarian claim doesn't even make logical sense with their own doctrine since they are confusing identities which their own doctrine insists you must not confuse. The first and the last was dead. Only a created being can say He was dead, but God cannot die, be killed or be subjected to death, that is outlandish and ridiculous for a creator of all things to be to killed by mere mortal man. Yahweh is immortal/incorruptible which means He cannot be dead. For this reason, it is quite impossible to identify Jesus as Yahweh the God. It is clear that these titles refer to creation and Jesus is the Beginning of the new creation since he is the firstborn out of the dead. Everything begins and ends with the Father's Word. The Genesis act of creation was accomplished by means of His spoken Word and that is why we find He is the first and the last in the book of Isaiah. He is where the Genesis act of creation began and since He will judge the world through a man He has appointed, He is where it will also end. God the Father created by means of His spoken Word and judges the world through His word at the end of the ages. God the Father will judge the world through him (Acts 17 : 31) and God the Father creates all things anew in him (Col 1 : 16-18; Revelation 21). God the Father now creates all things through the risen Christ, His Word become flesh. The new creation begins and ends at the Father's Word: the risen man, Jesus our Lord. Jehovah's Witnesses are not really exposed, they are Restorationist, for if they were indeed exposed, you'd be out there heeding to Jesus' command instead of them in terms of the foundation of the church, let alone the spread of the gospel, and the belief of Jesus being a representative of God under Shaliah Principle, an angel, has been a practice since the 8th century, heck, even back in the days of Apostle of what he said in the scriptures himself. How are they rejecting his death? These people put their lives at risk for the Great Commission even subject themselves God the Father and adhere to the teachings of which his Son proclaimed by means of Shaliah Principle, you are not being specific. Jesus also asked us to remember and or commemorate in regards to his death and believe in what is to come - the resurrection. Jesus is not God. For Jesus is the Son of God, as everyone in the bible have stated, from angels, to disciples, followers, Pharisees like Nicodemus, to Jews who wanted Jesus dead and succeeded, to demons and even Satan himself. All and all I suggest you learn about scripture and history of Christianity as well as the Bible itself first and this time perhaps chooses your words more wisely with facts instead of what you are being ded by Anti-Christians.

[@eyeswideopen8046]

May I ask, are you currently a Jehovah's Witness?

[@zollsm6386]

Eyes Wide Open No, but I have been studying them for nearly a decade, as with other faiths including Judaism, Islam (Sunni and Shia), etc. I am a Christian and I have respect for what is true and should any falsehood be brought up, by means of Christian theology and biblical hermeneutics I will confute - something I have been doing on this channel for a while now. However here I am talking about actual facts about jws, on another video I am talking about both Christianity and Islam. That being said, I dislike people who lie and are dishonest and I am able to see if a faith is close to what is true and those who are far from what is true and not be fed misconception, conspiracy and hate by those who are against a faith and such persons only proves those they attack to be true to their word, so in this case you and the people you stick up for are only making jws stronger the same can be said for Muslim opponents. Ironically, only mainstream Christianity is dying off around the world, increased in the EU countries loke the UK and Asia as well as America, however not the minority faiths that include JWs. Also I didn't address before, but I from France, I currently live in the US and I study thr history of Christianity and Religion.

[@a7c777]

There’s a Jehova’s Witness that I know that is 80x smarter than I and beats me in debate all the time. It gets to the point that it even confuses myself. This video helps but ive been struggling to point to scripture in favor of Christianity when debating this person. Please pray that God can give me the grace and knowledge to witness and discern the truth. And if i do not know the truth, i pray God can spare me in my mortal ignorance

[@shenanakinskywalker]

Praying 🙏🏼 I’m in a similar situation

[@DanNaim400]

Easy to pin them down They believe Yesus was Angel Michael so if that’s the case in Job 4:18 states God charges his angles with error making thr Jesus one prone to Error yet the Bible states in John 15:9 tht his the only person who Gor loved for he was perfect..2nd they believe the 2nd coming of the messiah wil happen secretly and in 1799 they predicted end of the world..which failed then 1874..1914..1915..1918 which all failed… The coming of the messiah will be known since in Rev 1:7 say all eyes shall see him …and when they bring the claim of saying thr the chosen ones…Use John 4:22 which says Salvation came to the Jews and gentiles wil be required to be grafted in Israel so as to receive the promise made to Abraham by God(Romans 11:11-26)..Don’t allow them change topic.. if he can’t defend his point just encourage him to seek for the truth out of JW Bible and commentary’s

[@DanNaim400]

Easy to pin them down They believe Yesus was Angel Michael so if that’s the case in Job 4:18 states God charges his angles with error making thr Jesus one prone to Error yet the Bible states in John 15:9 tht his the only person who Gor loved for he was perfect..2nd they believe the 2nd coming of the messiah wil happen secretly and in 1799 they predicted end of the world..which failed then 1874..1914..1915..1918 which all failed… The coming of the messiah will be known since in Rev 1:7 say all eyes shall see him …and when they bring the claim of saying thr the chosen ones…Use John 4:22 which says Salvation came to the Jews and gentiles wil be required to be grafted in Israel so as to receive the promise made to Abraham by God(Romans 11:11-26)..Don’t allow them change topic.. if he can’t defend his point just encourage him to seek for the truth out of JW Bible and commentary’s

[@DanNaim400]

Easy to pin them down They believe Yesus was Angel Michael so if that’s the case in Job 4:18 states God charges his angles with error making thr Jesus one prone to Error yet the Bible states in John 15:9 tht his the only person who God loved for he was perfect..2nd they believe the 2nd coming of the messiah wil happen secretly and in 1799 they predicted end of the world..which failed then 1874..1914..1915..1918 which all failed… The coming of the messiah will be known since in Rev 1:7 say all eyes shall see him …and when they bring the claim of saying thr the chosen ones…Use John 4:22 which says Salvation came to the Jews and gentiles wil be required to be grafted in Israel so as to receive the promise made to Abraham by God(Romans 11:11-26)..Don’t allow them change topic.. if he can’t defend his point just encourage him to seek for the truth out of JW Bible and commentary’s

[@newlycreated1864]

Read Luke 10. Speak the truth. If they don't listen to you SHAKE THE DUST OFF OF YOUR FEET AND MOVE ON. You are not called to debate with eloquent words but to preach the gospel truth in power. People need to REPENT and this includes they need to repent for believing lies. Jesus said, "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free!!" The Holy Spirit will lead whoever seeks after truth into all truth. We still need to SAY SOMETHING, make disciples, teaching then to obey everything Jesus commanded. Read Ezekiel 3.

[@infinityApologeticsClips]

"I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last" - Isaiah 48:12 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.” - Revelation 22:13 This is a bulletproof case. Thank God for his beautiful word.

[@jazzbassf]

@Riaz Qureshi my friend the actual bulletproof case is found at Revelation 21-6 and 7 with all due respect you never made a comment on that scripture because that one scripture very explicitly proves that only the father is the Alpha and the Omega. Because nowhere in scripture has Jesus ever called anyone his son or his sons also the father has never called anyone his brothers. Jesus in the scriptures always calls his disciples his brothers not his sons. So if you can show me a scripture where Jesus has ever quoted calling anyone his son's then I will believe that Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega. Trying to use implied scriptures does not make the trinity the proof that it needs. The scripture that I just showed you is an explicit scripture not an implied scripture like you try to use . Also there is nowhere in the Bible that says that the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost are one God. What's interesting in the King James version could not prove the Trinity so they inserted a spurious scripture at 1st John 5:7 but they never said even in that scripture use the word "one God " it just says "one" not the word one God, because one can mean anything one in purpose when an agreement Etc. So anyway my friend just something to think about. And I am not trying to win an argument I am just showing you what the bible really teaches. Thank you for your comments

[@infinityApologeticsClips]

@@jazzbassf Brother, Revelation 21:6-7 proves my case. The fact that Both Jesus and the Father are saying that statement is bc they are 1 (See John 10:30) Jesus says he is the first and the last multiple times in Revelation the same as YHWH does in Isaiah 48:12 proving their equality in essence. You said there isn't a scripture where the trinity is shown. I thought this too until I read the old testement carefully. Please read these verses showing that yes God is 1 in essence but he has a complex in his nature as being 3 persons: As you can see there are 2 LORD statements here: "Then the Lord rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the Lord out of the heavens." - Genesis 19:24 Also here there are 3 divine persons in isaiah speaking as YHWH": “Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord God and His Spirit Have sent Me.” - Isaiah 48:16-17 As you can see even the Old testament knew that God was complex in his unity. And finally in the new Testament proving that Jesus is God: "And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven." - Mark 14:62 This verse in Mark is a direct deference to Daniel 7:13-14 showing that the son of man will receive an everlasting dominion and all nations will worship him the same way they worship the father proving that God is multiple in his 1 being.

[@jazzbassf]

@@infinityApologeticsClips yes at John 10:30 Jesus says the father and I are one. However I John 17:11 he elaborates what he meant by that he said that his Apostles and him and his father are one. So he's talking about one in purpose and agreements not one God otherwise the apostles would be God too. And of course I don't think you believe in polytheism. But still my friend you haven't shown me a scripture that says that Jesus ever called anyone his sons only the father calls people his sons and you cannot make an assumption the Jesus is one God with the father because of the Alpha and the Omega. That is just an assumption or an implication it's not explicit. In order to convince a person that the Trinity is explicit you would have to show where it says the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are one God. There's not one single scripture in the Bible that says that. Again thank you very much for your comments and many blessings to you if you can see what the bible really teaches about the father who is the only true God. And please don't tell me that Jesus must be a false god because he's called the god that would not make sense because the word god means a mighty one you cannot deny the fact that Jesus is a mighty one or a mighty God. He is never called The Almighty God anywhere in the Bible. You can find implications of that but not explicit thank you my friend.

[@infinityApologeticsClips]

@@jazzbassf Brother, why didn't you comment on my OT verses on the multiplicity in God's nature. Could you please comment on Genesis 19:24 where it shows 2 LORD statements and Isaiah 48:3 where it shows 3 divine persons.

[@jazzbassf]

@@infinityApologeticsClips Genesis 19:24 is a figure of speech. There is only one Jehovah they're not two Jehovahs. Deuteronomy 6:4 says listen o Israel Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. And according to that scripture if it wasn't figurative then we would have to Jehovahs so that would be impossible. As to Isaiah 48:12 I do not know what the point is there on Isaiah 48:12?

[@danielcastillo5651]

People read the book of John and see how many time Jesus is referred to as. God's Son.

[@elisemccaa17]

He couldnt say He was God because there was a plan

[@jamesritter5078]

@@elisemccaa17 - He openly and directly declared that seeing Him = Seeing God Himself in John 14:9. There is no other way to understand His response to Philip.

[@grahammewburn]

God is the head of Christ 1 Corinthians 11:3

[@jamesritter5078]

@@grahammewburn - In His position and role as the Son - Sure. Christ willingly submitted Himself to the Father. In His essence/nature - No, Christ is not inferior; He has and is the same essence/nature. What I said about John 14:9 stands. Christ openly and directly declared that seeing Him = Seeing God Himself in John 14:9. There is absolutely no other way to understand His response to Philip. Here's what happened: In John 14:8, Philip makes a direct request of Jesus: "Show us the Father" Okay - Who is Philip asking to see? Who is meant by the phrase "the Father"? God Himself. Considering the context of who Philip is (a Jew), there is NO other way to understand that. This is irrefutable. Look at the response Jesus gives in verse 9. "If you've seen Me, you've seen the Father." Using the context of who Philip is, and only meaning possible for the phrase "the Father", Jesus answers and directly tells Philip: "If you've seen Me, you've seen Him. If you've seen Me, you've seen God Himself." This, also, is irrefutable.

[@lek6921]

In the bible god has many sons not only Jesus Exodus:4:22 Israel is my son, my firstborn Samuel 7:13-14 I will be his Father and he shall be my son (Solomon) Psalm 2:7 You are my son. Today I have begotton you (David) Jeremiah 31:9 For I am a Father to Israel and Ephraim is My firstborn. Luke 3:38 the son of Adam the son of God

[@bsymph]

My father is an elder in the Jehovah's witness and I am a follower of Christ! I believe God will see me through!

[@zollsm6386]

bsymph Jesus isn't God. And knowing JWs are Restorationist such ones follow the bible to the very roots.

[@bsymph]

Zoll then explain how Jesus is Michael the archangel! Jws believe that! And they also don't believe in hell!

[@zollsm6386]

bsymph They believe that Jesus is Michael because both of them lead the same people of God out of harm's way, they are both above the angels and both had lead the angels into battle against Satan and his demons, they both also rebuke Satan and they both have an Archangel's voice as well as titles. This belief began in the 8th and or 9th century and had been believed by mostly Restorationist Christians, even beyond the second and third awakening if you count History of Christianity. The only difference is some also believe Jesus/Michael is God while others do not, others believe either an pre-existing Jesus/Michael for Jesus was not Jesus until prior his birth and so forth. This doctrine did not originate with the Jehovah's Witnesses. They, as well as others, even myself, do not believe in hell being the lake of fire and there is a verse that even proves this and what the lake of fire actually is, that is if you adhere to the original source of the bible, in addition to that any man who has read the Hebrew Old Testament they would see how God deals with people who pass people alive through the fire let alone God's emotional reaction and what God had allowed to happen to the likes of Ahaz or that of Menassah, who ended up begging to God via repentance.

[@bsymph]

Zoll it's the father the son and the holy spirit! I highly doubt that Michael the archangel is God's son

[@zollsm6386]

bsymph Friend, it is not about doubt or assuming. When it comes to biblical hermeneutics, there is always a how and a why and there are indeed verses in scripture that shows how connected Jesus and Michael were or in this case how is it the pre-existing Jesus, before being called Immanuel or Jesus, his name and status in heaven before he was born of a woman into the law and after becoming the Christ, knowing his position and what is to come and so forth. The problem here is not with Jesus Michael or not, the thing that seems to cause a stirr is Jesus' status of a messenger, a representative of God by means of Shaliah Principle.

[@googesowders8622]

He was in the world ,the world was made by him, and the world knew him not . John 1:10

[@jimjuri6490]

(John 1:10) He was in the world, and the world came into existence through him, but the world did not know him. THROUGH does not mean BY.

[@CD-lw6fl]

People one day will say those Jehovah’s Witnesses were the true faith all along

[@yt5mh7kn6d]

Not when you're guilty of changing your own bible after getting busted.

[@jahtruthdefender]

@@yt5mh7kn6d Not one time has any busting taking place with cogent fact support arguments. *Not one*

[@yt5mh7kn6d]

@@jahtruthdefender would you like to see it with your own eyes? Or you just want to believe that's not true?

[@jahtruthdefender]

@@yt5mh7kn6d Yes please Jerry I would like, in fact love to see what you got to prove "guilty of changing your own bible after getting busted."

[@yt5mh7kn6d]

@@jahtruthdefender Good. I would have shared it earlier, but when I do, they don't come back. If you still have the 1984 ed. Of the NWT, turn to page 1547 and you will see this: [ ] Brackets enclosed words INSERTED to complete the sense of the English text Now read Col.1:15-17 and notice the word OTHER in brackets, so now we know that this word has been INSERTED. Read it without the word OTHER and tell me what does that tell you who Jesus is? Creator. Now go get your latest translation,the silver sword as they say. Read Col. 1:15-17, and you will now notice that the word OTHER is still in the scripture WITHOUT the brackets after ADMITTING it was INSERTED.That my friend is changing God's word. Scripture doesn't contradict scripture. Read Genesis 2:1,2 where it says that God brought creation to it's COMPLETION. Read Isaiah 44:24 where it says that God HIMSELF created EVERYTHING and asked who was with me? Also read Isaiah 45:12 while you're here. Notice the word MYSELF? So here's a question, what was the OTHER THINGS that Jesus created and when?

[@niaahniaah7401]

This verse sums it up Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

[@Zhello79]

This verse was also used for King Hezekiah. Doesn't make the King of Judah God. The verse in question is related to Jewish Customs.

[@roeltingzon758]

They dont know & can't explain why Jesus is prophetically called a "Mighty God" in Isaiah 9:6.

[@Artlover4life]

I solely intend to stand on the side of truth.

[@wylolister3218]

JWs "truth"? "Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, *have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect."* Awake 1993 Mar 22 page4 *Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come.* Jan 1, 2013 Watchtower "Does this admission of making mistakes stamp them [Jehovah's Witnesses] as false prophets? Not at all, for false prophets do not admit to making mistakes." Watchtower, Nov. 1, 1972, page 644 - in brackets added Admitting to making false prophecies doesn't magically change them, they are still Bible defined false prophecies (Deut 18:2-0-22) Very poor reasoning, probably why JWs "suggested dates" and went beyond scripture. "suggested dates, wrong expectations" ARE false prophecies. God's channel of communications, his voice on earth, God's mouthpiece, JWs? Nope just a false religion!

[@moisesbeyond]

Do you know what is the fallacy of false dilema?....suggesting that there is only two options or Jesus was merely a human or He was the God almghty and also son of God almighy basically Jesus is his own father is a flase dilema....but JWs have a third option found in the bible extremely logical ...Jesus been the human name given to the Angel of the Lord we see thruough the bible and later revealed been Michael the great prince depicted in Daniel 12:1-2, read the OT complete and you will learn that angels are sons of God almighty (Job 1:6 and2:1) also they are called gods in Psalms 82:1-6,also will see the most powerful angel doing things and when you react the NT then the last book Revelation will make you head explote due to how many times Jesus is depicted as the most powerful angel or Son of God almighty

[@jimmyeatonbackyardcamping7226]

Peace be unto you always enjoy watching your shows young ones God bless you and May God be in your heart as he is in mine

[@johnathancerda8976]

Shalom alikom

[@andyvaughan4201]

Mocking the witnesses for their ministry is also a strange comment as the bibles continued theme is to go and make disciples which is the point of ministry?? Surely

[@rustycostner186]

The Bible is talking to Christians

[@jamesritter5078]

I don't mock them as much as I refute them. Because the Jesus the JWs preach is NOT the Jesus of the Bible. And the way of salvation they preach is NOT the way of salvation presented in the Bible. They present a false Christ and a false message of salvation. All going door to door does is deceive the ignorant and lock them even more into being alienated from God and salvation.

[@ben3025]

@@jamesritter5078 foolish

[@jamesritter5078]

@@ben3025 - No, ben. It's not foolish - It's true, and I can actually prove that it's true. The only question now is - Do you have the courage to see the proof?

[@ben3025]

@@jamesritter5078 jesus isnt bad, jesus is a way to god, he just isnt god himself. He's the son of god. The question is are you part of the 144 thousand? Who knows lol but it doesnt matter there is still a paradise on earth for the righteous ones after the final battle is over; satan is imprisoned.

[@craighoward6123]

Thanks for setting this straight. I have a Jehovah in my Neighborhood, keeps Bothering me!

[@futuristicvibes2643]

I promise you, all you have to do is respectfully tell your neighbor that you're not interested in engaging in spiritual conversations with him and agree to disagree. It's possible to remain good neighbors while respecting your differences and boundaries. Those with strong faith will be motivated to share their beliefs with others, but if it's a bother simply say that and move along. Just a suggestion =-)

[@Luke64557]

it never gets boring to talk about Jehovah.

[@Artlover4life]

There is but 1 Jehovah (YHWH)

[@raymeinzer4344]

And when Satan tried to test or tempt Jesus and he brought him up to a high up place and offered him all the glory of the nations & the kingdoms of the earth who did Jesus in response say all the glory belongs to,??????

[@byronofcalgary6985]

why would Satan tempt a Mortal Man... born to die in sin... ? Jesus was just Baptized and this is a test He hasn't passed yet . Nobody healed, raised or fed yet - > no Atonement or Resurrection yet Did Jesus get or even share Glory afterwards ? does He now ?

[@JAMERSON5867]

The Apostle Paul (Hand picked by Jesus) said on Several occasions: BLESSED BE THE GOD & FATHER OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST!! So the Apostle who wrote 14 BOOKS of God's word the bible said that Jesus has a 1. GOD 2. FATHER Listen folks carefully YOU CANNOT BE GOD IF YOU HAVE A GOD!!!!!

[@ingodwetrust7778]

“Thy throne, *O God,* _is_ for ever and ever, the sceptre of thy kingdom _is_ a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness, therefore God, *thy God,* hath anointed thee...” (Psalm 45:6-7) God has a God. What God? “But *unto the Son* _he saith,_ Thy throne, *O God,* _is_ for ever and ever, a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou Hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity, therefore God, _even_ *thy God,* hath annointed thee...” (Hebrews 1:8-9) God has a God. This God is Jesus. Jesus' God is God the Father. Jesus is God.

[@ea-tr1jh]

@@ingodwetrust7778 A JW won't interpret that verse the same way because they perverted it in their NWT version. Their version says, "O god" instead of "O God".

[@ingodwetrust7778]

@@ea-tr1jh That's why I like to follow it up with Psalm 45:5: "I am the LORD, and _there is_ none else, _there is_ no God beside me...""

[@ea-tr1jh]

@@ingodwetrust7778 Still won't convince them. Nothing will. They're brainwashed. But you can try. A few do leave the organization.

[@ea-tr1jh]

@@ingodwetrust7778 They will just say that they are monotheistic because Jesus is not the "Almighty God". I've heard them say he was "godlike", and some even described him as a "demigod" but none of them believe he is God. Utter ridiculousness.

[@EXPOSEDBYGABRIELPEREZ]

Jesus is the son of GOD. Period

[@jamesritter5078]

that's not what the Bible shows. Period.

[@rolandocantu6736]

The New Encyclopædia Britannica observes: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament.” Bernhard Lohse says in A Short History of Christian Doctrine: “As far as the New Testament is concerned, one does not find in it an actual doctrine of the Trinity.”

[@outofnaija]

Jesus is divine. He has to be for Him to be the saviour of the world. Mic drop!

[@morelmaster]

Exactly. If Jesus isn't God, then his sacrifice on the cross could not take away the sins of the world and bring us into a relationship with the Father. Doesn't matter if Jesus lived a perfect life without sinning, if he was just a human being like us, and no divinity, then how does that save us?

[@tiffanywright6653]

@@morelmaster Jesus is Gods Son that's it Not (God Almighty the Creator) Let's take a Look at the Bible and see what it Says 1. Then why is God head of Christ just as Christ is Head of man? (1st coriethians 11:3) 2.) Then why does Scripture consistently phrase Jesus as a Separate person from God? (John 20:17); (John 14:1); (Mark 10:18); (John 17:1-3), Also in Heaven, (Luke 22:69) 3.) Then how can Jesus have a god? (Micah 5:4), (pslams 45:6, 7; 89:26, John 20:17; (Romans 15:6;2), (Coriethians 1:3, Eph. 1:3; (Col. 1:3) (Mark 15:34); (John 17:1-3) Also in heaven (Rev. 1:6; 3:3, 12) 4. Then why does Scripture say he was born and part of creation? (Colessians 1:15) 5. Then why does (Rev. 3:14) Say that Jesus was the beginning of the Creation by God? 6. Then why is he subject to god like we are subject to him? (1st Cor. 15:27,28); (Eph. 1:17) 7. Then why does (Micah 5:2) say that Jesus Origin was from Early times? 8. Then why does Jesus not know what God knows? (Matthew 24:36,) (Rev. 1:1); (Luke 8:45) 9. Then why is Jesus still subject to (god) when he is as high as he will ever be? (1st Cor. 15:27,28) 10. Then why does (Proverbs 8:22-31) show that the Messiah was created/Produced by God? 11. Then why is he not powerful enough to subject things to himself? (1st Cor. 15:27); (Eph. 1:17,22) 12. Then why would he have to be given any power & authority? (Matthew 28:18; 11:27; (John 5:22; 17:2; 3:35;) (2nd 1:17) 13. Then why did he have to learn anything? (Hebrews 5:8), (John 5:19; 8:28) 14. Then why is speaking against him not as bad as speaking against the Holy Spirit? (Matthew 12:31, 32;); (Luke 12:10) 15. Then why did Jesus Call the Father the Only True God? (John 17:3) 16. Then why did he need to be saved? (Hebrews 5:7); (John 12:27) 17. Then why did he have to be exalted to leader & savior? (Acts 5:31) 18. Then how can he be exalted and (Given) a higher name then he had? (Philippians 2:9-11); (Hebrews 1:2-4) 19. Then why did he have to be given Life in himself? (John 5:25, 26) 20. Then how could his Father be Greater then he and not equal trinity? (John 14:28) 21. Then how could Jesus be tempted by Satan in(Matthew 4:10) when God cannot be tempted by Evil (James 1:13) 22. Then why did Jesus (Worship) the Father (John 4:22) 23. Then why can he not do anything of his own? (John 5:19; 6:38) 24. Then why would Jesus pray to Anybody? (Luke 22:44; ) (John 17:1,2) 25. Then why do John 1:18 and 1st John 4:9 say that Jesus is God's only Begotten Son? 26. Then how can Jesus be God's servant? (Acts 4:26, 27,30) 27. Then how could he receive strength from an angel? (Luke 22:43) 28. Then how could he be the mediator between God & man? (1st Timothy 2:5) 29. Then how could he be with God (ton theon)? (John 1:1) 30. Then how could he be God's image? (Col. 1:15;) (Hebrews 1:3) Then why is he called the agency (dia) of creation and not the originator (ek)? (1cor. 8:6); (John 1:1-3); (Prov. 8:30) (Hebrews 2:10); (Col. 1:15, 16) 32. Then why did Jesus say God was good in a way that Jesus was not?(Mark 10:18) 33. Then why does Jesus have the voice of the Archangel and not the voice of God? (1st thess. 4:16) 34. Then why is the only worship given to him the same given to humans ? (Heb. 1:6) (Matt. 18:26;); (Rev. 3:9) 35. Then why do many who believe and rely on a few so called proof texts instead of the context of the consisent teachings of the entire Bible? 36.then how can Jesus be commanded to do anything? (John 12:49), (deutronemy 18:18) 37. Then why did Steven see 2 separate entities God & Jesus and not just one god or 3 person's? (Acts 7:55) 38. Then how could Jesus be seen at God's right hand?(Luke 22:69); (Acts 7;55); (Romans 8:34) 39. Then how could Jesus be exalted not to become God himself, but to the position of the right hand of God?(,Acts 2:33) 40. Then why would he have to receive a revelation from God?(rev. 1:1) 41. Then why is he called God's begotten Son before he came to Earth? (John 3:16); (Galations 4:4), (1st John 4:9) 42. Then how could he have a father (John 20:17) 43. Then how could he come in Flesh? (1st Kings 8:27); (Acts 17:24, 25) 44. Then why did Jesus not come in his own Name? (John 5:41-44) 45. Then why did Jesus come down from Heaven to do God's will and Not His Own? (Luke 22:42); (John 6:38) (John 5:30) (John 8:42) 46. Then how could Jesus appear before God when he went back to (Heaven)? (Hebrews 9:24) 47. Then how could Jesus die? Can God die? Can part of God die? (Romans 5:10); (Acts 5:30); (Habbuk 1:12); ,(1st time. 6:16); (Numbers 23:19) (1st Cor. 15:3); (Plsams 90:2); (Daniel 6:25-26) 48. Then why is it that God ressurrected Jesus? (Acts 2:32) (Acts 5:30) (Romans 10:9,10) 49. Then why can we see him if No Man has seen God at any time? (John 1:18) 50. Then why is there not one clear scripture where Jesus is called God the Son, (Equal to those declaring God the Father) 51. How is it that the Jews rounded up some false witnesses to make up lies to obtain a death sentence for Jesus, but niether the Jewish officials nor even one of those false witnesses made a claim that Jesus was God or Equally god? (Matthew 26:59-67) 52. John summed up his whole Gospel by saying that it was written that we may believe that Jesus is Christ, the son of God. Why is there no mention in that summary of the entire Gospel of what would be the Most important thing of all that Jesus is God? (John 20:31)

[@morelmaster]

@@tiffanywright6653 YOU: How is it that the Jews rounded up some false witnesses to make up lies to obtain a death sentence for Jesus, but niether the Jewish officials nor even one of those false witnesses made a claim that Jesus was God or Equally god? ME: 1) Because of this, the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him. Not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself EQUAL with God. (John 5:18) John the Apostle wrote this, which shows clearly that even John himself understood that the Son of God and the Father were EQUAL!!! 2)"Then they asked him, 'Where is your father?' 'You do not know me or my Father,' Jesus replied. 'If you knew me, you would know my Father also'" (John 8:19) "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58). The statement of Jesus to the Jews, "I AM" is the exact same statement that God gave to Moses in Exodus 3:13-15. 3)"What about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, "I am God's Son"? Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.' Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp." (John 10:36-39) Once again, the Jews understood Jesus to be saying he was EQUAL to God, that is why they tried to seize him. So, for you to make the statement that the Jewish officials NEVER made the claim that Jesus was God or equal to God shows your ignorance of the Word of God. Wake up!!!

[@nomadicrecovery1586]

@@morelmaster where is it stayed that divinity is the requirement to forgive sins ? Tests please

[@jamesritter5078]

@@nomadicrecovery1586 - Well, Mark 2:7 does. The Jews both asked and answered the question.

[@truman5838]

Jesus "if you destroy this temple , I will raise it up again in 3 days" He was talking about his body. Doubting Thomas calls Jesus "my Lord and my God".

[@jazzbassf]

@Tru Man, when Jesus said my Lord and my God in the original Greek it says the Lord of me and the god of me, so Jesus was talking about two persons because at John 20:31 he told Mary not to touch him because he was Ascending to his God and her God so, God cannot have someone who is God to him. And then at John 20:31 the Apostle John said that people may know that Jesus is the son of God, not God the son. The scriptures are pretty clear and explicit my friend , trying to use implied scriptures does not make that scripture say that Jesus is God. Many blessings to you if you can see what the bible really teaches about who is the true God. According To Jesus at John 17:3 he prayed to his father and said " this means everlasting life their knowing you the "only" true God and the one you sent forth, Jesus Christ. So Jesus himself said that the father is the "only" true God. There isn't a single scripture in the Bible that says that Jesus is the "only" true God!. Notice the word "only" .

[@grandcherokee1407]

@@Hello-ro8fq Sarah also called Abraham Lord, so according to your logic that would mean Sarah is calling Abraham Jehovah and Jesus.

[@grandcherokee1407]

@@Hello-ro8fq I never mentioned in my comment that you said "Jesus Christ is called lord so he must be God." You on the other hand make mention of various instances where certain titles are used when speaking of both Jehovah and Jesus. Titles such as Lord, Savior, etc,. You're using rhetorical questions in order to imply that Jesus is God. You therefore don't have to actually say "Jesus is called Lord and Jehovah is called Lord, therefore Jesus must be God."

[@heidehilbert9085]

Prophet Nathan so please tell me ,is Jesus not God? We Baptize in the Name of the Father,the Son and the Holy Ghost. So that's makes three and to me it says that Jesus is not God,but the Son of God. Please correct me if I am wrong.

[@truman5838]

@@jazzbassf Doubting Thomas said my Lord and my God to Jesus. He was talking to Jesus. And Jesus didn't correct him. Thomas called just his Lord and His God. Lord of me God of me. Same thing.

[@caligirl7525]

They are committed to the Watchtower, not the Bible.

[@wafle21]

caligirl7525 read (Luke 18:18, 19) Jesus established that only God is good. There is a huge difference between God and Jesus

[@caligirl7525]

wafle21, are you a Watchtower follower?

[@lindahartle3137]

What Did Jesus Mean When He Said That Only God is Good? (Mark 10:18; Luke 18:19) Jesus is not saying here that he isn't "good". The point Jesus was making here was that God is good in the absolute and consummate sense. Jesus recognized God as the ultimate standard of what is good. (Ps. 25:8; Zech. 9:17) Though Jesus Christ had this quality of moral excellence, he would not accept “Good” as a title. That is why he said to the one who addressed him as “Good Teacher”: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.” (Mark 10:17, 18) So Jesus was saying that no one is as good as God is, not even Jesus himself. God is good in a way that separates him from Jesus.

[@wafle21]

Linda Hartle you are absolutely right. If Jesus was God he wouldn't have corrected the man.

[@caligirl7525]

wafle21, you didn't answer my question.

[@trulytrue3661]

God is not a man. Jesus was a man. Jesus is not God.

[@llewellyngt]

your right jesus is a representation of his father....but not the father...and when he was being baptized...who was speaking from heaven....jesus again or was it God his father......and again jesus spoke about not doing his will but the will of the father....was he talking about himself again....No...it was Jehovah the one who sent him..

[@kedduff1814]

Simeon Llewellyn Water is not ice and ice is not vapor/steam..... but yet they are all still H20 just different forms. God is like this,.... different but the same. Yet God is more complex than water lol... Is the God of the entire universe so simple that humans can understand him? unless he himself reveals the knowledge.

[@JamesHolmez]

​​@@kedduff1814he wouldn't make himself so complex that simple minded humans would be bickering about the Truth lol. He'd make it easy for us to understand. The Idea of the Trinity is so mind bending, and you have to do a ton of mental gymnastics to understand. And if the ones that don't understand the Trinity, but do everything according to God's will, are they still damned because they didn't understand doctrine? That's not very loving. Also I know your comment is 5 years old. Idgaf

[@jeremynethercutt206]

@@kedduff1814 not modes, that’s incorrect please understand what your saying that presents an incorrect view of the Trinity they are co existing they don’t change forms Time would be a much better example Past present future And it still is not correct either All analogies fall so short but water is incorrect Respectfully

[@jeremynethercutt206]

@@JamesHolmezyour placing what God could or should do based on your opinions on how he should reveal himself? GOD the creator of all that is and will be Could not be understood by a finite mind such as us We use his word to understand what he has revealed about himself What comes into our minds when we think about God is the most important thing about us. ... Worship is pure or base as the worshiper entertains high or low thoughts of God.

[@familyworshipcentersermons2529]

I know this is an old video but there is some incorrect information regarding the word Jehovah. Jehovah is not a Greek word, it is a latinized form of יְהֹוָה and it does not appear in any of the Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. Secondly, the Greek translation of the Old Testament, the Septuagint, uses ο κύριος to translate יְהֹוָה. and does not use Jehovah. Jehovah is a poor phonetic transliteration of Yahweh.

[@ewankerr3011]

You forgot to mention that not only is the word Jehovah not in any Greek NT text but that neither is the word Jesus or the word God. This is because they are English words and so we would not expect to find them in the Greek text. However, there are numerous copies of the Septuagint which still used the ancient Hebrew letters for YHWH and so you appear to be incorrect in this matter. Likewise, there are a number of Jewish scholars on KZbin insisting that the divine name was pronounced Yehowah (with the W sounding as a v) and certainly NOT Yahweh.

[@olmeckrav]

Ewan Kerr JWs themselves admit the YHWH does not exist in the Greek scriptures but they insist in inserting it. Why? They claim the Greek scripture were corrupted. Is so, what else is corrupted? How can anyone trust the Greek scriptures after that? JWs also know that the first time the word Jehovah appeared in writing was in the 13th century when Raymundus Martini, a Catholic monk, translated the YHWH. Why use a Catholic incorrect translation that mixed up ADONAI and YHWH as their name? I don’t get it.

[@ewankerr3011]

I am sure the JWs can speak for themselves. The divine name does feature in ancient Hebrew in copies of the Septuagint from which the early Christians quoted/copied. It seems a distinct possibility that there may have been copies of the divine name in early copies of the NT which are now lost to us as most if not all the early copies are.I am not aware of the claim that he JWs claim the NT is corrupted and have never seen this in their literature. Perhaps you can provide a reference.They use the name, I guess, because that is the name of God found in the King James Bible and most other English language Bibles of the time. Indeed, there are KZbin videos by Jewish language and Biblical specialists readily available online who argue that he name must be pronounced Yehowah ( with the W spoken as a V)Few, if any, object to the name Jesus when we know it was most likely Yeshua . But Jesus is the traditional name and has been used for centuries.

[@andrewhigginson4094]

Maximus Octavius it does not exist in the Greek scripture they put it in where it’s quoting the Hebrew text where it is in. On this they should of stuck to what the Greek say in the Greek scripture. It’s still accurate I guess in translating but best to stick to what the Greek says. Apart from that it’s a pretty accurate translation

[@FOUROCEANSGlobal]

Correct. Though noone knows the exact pronunciation.

[@tassiespirit]

The Watchtower clearly knows that the name ‘Jehovah’ was derived by the Jewish Catholic monk (Raymundus Martini about 1250 'ish) by inserting some vowels into YHWH. Now, doesn’t that clearly mean they know that Jehovah is not the true name of the Almighty God? And it is not a GREEK translation as mentioned @ 2:00. Also, Jehovah is NOT mentioned in the Greek of the NT ever!

[@SmalltimR]

The true name of GOD was revealed to mankind in Exodus 3.15 With that said, the true name of GOD was written in Hebrew and therefore clearly not 'Jehovah', whereas Jehovah, is a transliteration of the original Hebrew name, and quite obviously not the true name or pronunciation. It has been my observation that the majority of the arguments surrounding this particular topic are riddled with confusion and all out ignorance - as people tend to get their panties up in a bunch over something that is completely notwithstanding.

[@wylolister3218]

@@SmalltimR JWs claim the way to salvation is the use of the divine name "Jehovah" in worship, ”Salvation - What It Really Means,” Watchtower, August 15, 1997 LOL, the also say its a misspelled, mispronounced name for God. Let Your Name Be Sanctified book & AID TO BIBLE UNDERSTANDING 1971 Watchtower and Bible Tract Society p884-885 - literature elaborates as to its Catholic origin in 1270

[@wylolister3218]

@@SmalltimR *JW Organization wants to use a CATHOLIC name for God because it's common.* They align themselves with Christendom!!!

[@TheQuickblaze]

I thought William Tindall was the person who translated the name from YHWH to JEHOVAH.

[@johnf587]

Who anointed and resurrected Jesus? Acts 4: On hearing this, Peter and John raised their voices with one accord to God and said: 26 The kings of the earth took their stand and the rulers gathered together as one against JEHOVAH and against HIS ANOINTED ONE. 27 For truly both Herod and Pontius Pilate with men of the nations and with peoples of Israel were gathered together in this city against YOUR HOLY SERVANT JESUS, 'WHOM YOU ANOINTED', 30 while you stretch out your hand for healing and while signs and wonders occur THROUGH THE NAME OF YOUR HOLY SERVANT JESUS. Acts 5:30 Peter and John said: The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you killed, hanging him on a stake. Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Servant, Jesus

[@fitsumayalew6348]

For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”? And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.” In speaking of the angels he says, “He makes his angels spirits, and his servants flames of fire.” But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. Hebrews 1:5‭-‬8

[@777Tralfaz777]

Heb 1:5 For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”? And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”? 6 But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do obeisance to him.” 7 Also, he says about the angels: “He makes his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.” 8 But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness. 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”

[@jamesritter5078]

Yes, and Heb. 1:3 very clearly declares the Deity of Christ.

[@kenr8942]

I think the Jehovah's Witnesses view is more accurate. God back up Jesus rulership, that is why God, Jesus' God, anointed Jesus.

[@jamesritter5078]

@@kenr8942 Nope - The JWs have a false, unbiblical Christ and a false, unbiblical way of salvation and multiple other falsehoods. These things can be shown and it is not difficult to do so.

[@kenr8942]

@@jamesritter5078 Then who do you believe have the true Christ? Jehovah's Witnesses follow the bible and Jesus' instructions. I do not see that in other religions.

[@df5827]

Jesus is the son of GOD. Jesus died on the cross for our sins. He is the mediator between GOD and man! The only begotten son of GOD! The mediator between GOD and man, sent by GOD!

[@tofuman7456]

Jesus is God in the flesh. Read Isaiah 9:6 and believe that Jesus himself is the Creator. The name of Jesus is above any other name and He is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. God bless you

[@arthurdonehower6115]

MATTHEW28--18 all autthority has been giving to me --Who gave him this

[@jazzbassf]

@Arthur Donehower it is amazing how Trinitarians will not answer your question and try to blindly dance around the answer , which is so obvious and reasonable my friend. Are you a JW?

[@arthurdonehower6115]

@@jazzbassf Yes

[@jazzbassf]

@@arthurdonehower6115 excellent my brother, it's always nice to talk to a reasonable person, who does not twist the scriptures to prove a false narrative. Blessings

[@jackielendel1530]

Honestly I’m glad we have the truth. And the always rejoice convention was literally so good😭💖Jehovah is letting us know we are not alone in this horrible world

[@jazzbassf]

@@jackielendel1530 yes Jackie , wonderful rejoice convention.

[@Raphael-mb2rd]

IS THE TRINITY REASONABLE? · God asked himself and offered himself as sacrifice to himself to go to earth to save mankind himself. · Then he agreed with himself and offered himself as volunteer to do it himself. · Then he impregnated a woman with his Holy Spirit (which is also himself) to give birth to himself. · While on earth, God prayed to himself (John 17:1) and glorified himself repeatedly. · He prayed to himself and offered supplications (Heb 5:7-8) to himself because he needed to strengthen himself. · Finally, God forsook himself (Mat 27:46) and sacrificed himself to prove his loyalty to himself (Heb 3:2,6). · While dead, he resurrected himself (Acts 2:24), so that he could exalt himself above himself (Acts 2:33). · Then he sat at his own right hand (Heb 1:3, Psalm 110:1) and waited for himself to place his enemies as a footstool under his own feet (1Cor 15:25). Respectfully, I CANNOT make any sense of this!!!

[@danhdang1208]

Perfect!

[@Empty-u9w]

Jesus is god

[@SmalltimR]

Interesting, though this raises an even bigger question; If Jesus is GOD, then who do we say the GOD of Jesus is in heaven at this time?

[@YehovaSapavovt.HolyOneOfIsraeL]

who is he to speak and have his words fulfilled, If The YEHOVA ELoHIM HAS Not Commanded? ~ Lamentations Jeremiah 3:37 HIS NOT: lord god mod jesus mesus: They Will Call On MY NAME, And I Will ANSWER Them: I Will Say, ‘They Are MY People,’ And They Will Say, The YEHOVA Is Our ELoHIM. ~ Zechariah 13:9 HIS Name Is “YEHOVA SAPAVOVT:” HIS ELoHIM The Most HigH Our Mighty Creator: Glory To The Alpha And Omega: Glory In The Highest Our ELoHIM And Savior: Glory To The Lion Of Judah: Praise YAH, YEHOVA, HalleluYAH: Moreover Most HigH Said To Moses, “ Thus You Shall Say To The Children Of Israel: ‘ The YEHOVA ELoHIM Of Your Fathers, The ELoHIM Of Abraham, The ELoHIM Of Isaac, And The ELoHIM Of Jacob, Has Sent Me To You. This Is MY NAME Forever, And This Is MY Memorial To All Generations. ~ Exodus 3:15 Because He Has Affection For ME, I Will Rescue Him. I Will Protect Him Because He Knows MY NAME. ~ Psalm 91:14 The Wise Will See YOUR NAME; ~ Micah 6:9 Be Proud Of HIS HOLY NAME: ~ Psalm 105:3 “You Must Not Take Up The Name Of YEHOVA Your EloHIM In A Worthless Way, For YEHOVA Will Not Leave Unpunished The One Who Takes Up HIS Name In A Worthless Way.” ~ Exodus 20:7 I Have Been "YEHOVA" Your CreatoR Ever Since The Land Of Egypt; You Know No CreatoR But ME, And No SavioR Exists Besides ME. ~ Hosea 13:4 And Everyone Who Calls On The Name Of YEHOVA Will Be Saved.”’ ~ Acts 2:21 There Is No One Who Calls YOUR NAME; To Wake Up And Find Strength In YOU. ~ Isaiah 64:7 YEHOVA Is The Same Forever: ELOHIM NAME Can’t Translated: >Names Never Translate. Your Name Is The Same In Every Language In The World.

[@JWillGames]

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. (1 Corinthians 8:6) KJV The scriptures can't get any more clearer than this, we have One God, The Father and One Lord Christ Jesus. And let us not forget, the father is greater than the son and the head of the Christ is God. 🙏🏾

[@americanlegaldefense7789]

"I and _my_ Father are one. The Jews answered... thou, being a man, makest thyself God." (John 10:30, 33, KJV) "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he... said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God." (John 5:18, KJV) "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" (Philipans 2:6, KJV) One day everyone will bow and confess that Jesus is Jehovah (Philipians 2:11, KJV). To be saved you must confess NOW! Come to him before it's too late!

[@Partyrockk]

@@americanlegaldefense7789 Why don't you follow up with John and see what Jesus said in response to the accusation he was saying he was God. He disputed them, he didn't agree with them.

[@remnantime3672]

@@americanlegaldefense7789 Jesus is equal with God bcos of his sonship to His Father

[@americanlegaldefense7789]

_"Jesus is equal with God because of his sonship to his Father."_ @@remnantime3672 "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One." (Isaiah 40:25) "To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?" (Isaiah 46:5)

[@remnantime3672]

@@americanlegaldefense7789 that verse is talking about other gods...theres1 God the Father n Jesus is His 1 begotten son...others cant be liken to...

[@brianlondono2768]

NOTICE THIS! Forward to 3:14. He mentions Jesus question to his apostles about who they believed he was (Matthew 16:15), but he stops right there and doesn't read the next verse! Matthew 16:16, Peter answers " you are the Christ, the Son of the living God" and Jesus goes on to confirm that Peter answered correctly in the next verse. Trinitarians have to avoid so many scriptures in order to try to convince people of the Trinity. Read your Bible for yourself, do your own research. Never stop studying and learning and praying for wisdom

[@ingodwetrust7778]

“How do I respond to the claim of a Jehovah's Witness that Jesus is not God?” God already did! “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us...” -John 1:1, 14

[@zollsm6386]

In God We Trust Yet in Greek God and god is present in Scripture. John 1 : 1 doesnt prove Jesus is God especially when you got the Genesis time frame as well as the time frame of other events all lumped together in John 1. Try explaining John 1 : 3 and 4 if you think Jesus is God. That being said, JWs don't believe Jesus is God nor do any Non Triniarian. Look up John 1 : 1 in Hebrew and Greek. God = θεόν (Uppercase G) god = θεὸς (Lowercase g) The Word = ό λόγος Word = λόγος Other examples Jesus = Ἰησοῦν Christ = Χριστόν Jesus Christ = Ἰησοῦν Χριστόν ( ישו Hebrew) Lastly, God cannot Anoint himself, hence the title Christ meaning Anointed one and second, Jesus did claim he has a God in Scripture and in his own words.

[@pns9993]

Zoll In that case, doesn't it mean that the writer of Book of John "present" Jesus as another God beside the YHWH to the people?

[@zollsm6386]

PN S No, if you understand it clearly you'd understand what John is trying to convey, but I see what you are getting at, but a minor misunderstanding of scripture can quickly mislead any man who does not study the bible and or apply biblical hermeneutics totally when interpreting. John himself knows that God Yahweh/Jehovah and Jesus Christ are two different people from each other and John didn't shy away from the very laws of which the Jews were under, an example would be when The Jews challenged Jesus and was about to stone him, Jesus mentioned, quoted from the Old Testament that all people, including born Jews like himself, written in law are gods too (not God himself or themselves). Cross reference points to Psalms 82 : 6. For Jesus quoted this because the Jews charged him with making himself a god. At Psalms 82 : 6 God himself says about the sons of God I said you are gods by implication that makes each of these man a god. I said, Ye are gods*, And all of you sons of the Most High. * godlike ones We see in Johm 10 : 34, 35 Jesus quoting of which that is written in the law of the Jews itself. Similar to what was mentioned, by Apostle Paul, in 1 Corinthians 8 : 5 (First Epistles to the Corinthians), which cross references to what Jesus Christ had said, as well as what God the Father had said. (Also check out Psalms 82 : 1 for sons of the Most High in the heavens Angels/Spirit Beings are mentioned as gods/godlike ones). So in short Jesus, a born Jew of a woman, a man born into the law, Galatians 4 : 4, is considered a god and or among godlike ones just like his counterparts, but when it comes to God the Father he is the one and only True God, in this sense A God above gods (consisting of men, angels/spirit beings, etc), so to speak. Another thing to note in the gospel of john regarding one of Jesus' rare conversations, but in this, a man named Nicodemus, who was well aware that Jesus was the son of God who came from God himself and or has been sent by God. Nicodemus was also the same man who played a role in the burial of Jesus Christ.

[@33commonsenseguy]

that was mistranslated "and the word was a god" according to jws

[@zollsm6386]

na' ah mean? Actually "a god" or "was god" predates the Jehovah's Witnesses. Its called the Sahidic Copic Text. In fact the earliest prior to the Coptic Text is 1808 whereas "a god" (divine) was used. You Westerners are so misinformed.

[@wordassassinhebrews4125]

That the chapter i always take Jehovah witness to John 8 before Abraham I 'Am⚔🔥

[@jazzbassf]

@WORD ASSASSIN how is John 8:58 of any significance?

[@jazzbassf]

@wackoguywatch God created everything through Jesus. Jesus was the firstborn of all creation. He was not the co creator, but the means God used to create everything in heaven and on earth.

[@jazzbassf]

@wackoguywatch my friend with all due respect and Christian love , please look up that word "by" in the original Greek language the Greek word is 'DIA' which actually means "through" it does not mean "by" otherTrinitarian translations have corrected it , but the KJV still will not correct that word. The good news bible a Trinitarian translation "16 For through him God created everything in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen things, including spiritual powers, lords, rulers, and authorities. God created the whole universe through him and for him. Notice it uses the word " through" not "by" Just go to Strongs concordance and see for yourself what the word "DIA" means on Col 1:16

[@jazzbassf]

@Christopher Sawyer excellent response my brother...

[@jazzbassf]

@wackoguywatch by means "by someone" through means "through somone" that is why other trinitrian translations changed it to the word "through"

[@rolandocantu6736]

Clement of Alexandria, who died about 215 C.E., called God “the uncreated and imperishable and only true God.” He said that the Son “is next to the only omnipotent Father” but not equal to him. Tertullian, who died about 230 C.E., taught the supremacy of God. He observed: “The Father is different from the Son (another), as he is greater; as he who begets is different from him who is begotten; he who sends, different from him who is sent.” He also said: “There was a time when the Son was not. . . . Before all things, God was alone.”

[@jaymekuan4869]

He says the name " jehovah is a greek word, but as far as i can remember " jhvh" was a latinized form of "yhwh". So how come it is a greek word?

[@spyben3]

YHWH and Jehovah are two different ways to pronounce the same word in the Hebrew (יהוה), I think he is confused with the Greek word Kurios (Κυριοσ) translated as Lord in the NT. The Septuagint (Greek translation of the Old Testament clearly translates YHWH as kurios which means lord or master).

[@seanrathmakedisciples1508]

@@spyben3 Yes the name Jehovah was invented by a Spanish Catholic Monk in the year 1270 AD coming from the YHWH . Vowels were inserted between the consonants to come up with the name Jehovah and this name was never before this time used. Yahweh would be a better name and more accurate.

[@Iamllumash]

@@seanrathmakedisciples1508 People all over the world have different pronunciations of The True God's Name & recognizes his Name

[@robertdavies9152]

In essence, a great recommendation for Jehovah's witnesses.

[@jazzbassf]

@Robert Davies the only thing you can recommend to Jehovah's Witnesses is jw.org that is where you will find the truth in God's word

[@olmeckrav]

jazzbassf fenderjazz ...I would recommend jwfacts.com instead

[@jazzbassf]

@@olmeckrav Jwfacts.com is an opposers website, why would I want to go to an opposers website.

[@olmeckrav]

jazzbassf fenderjazz Well, to seek to understand the opposite point of view or the criticism of a belief you hold. That’s the same like me talking to you. I hold the Christian teaching of the Trinity and you hold the opposite. Historically your position which is Arianism was considered by the Church as heresy. However, to have an amicable discussion with you about it doesn’t hurt my beliefs but helps me to understand them better and not be blind to the cracks in my reasoning. Christians are not afraid of opposition rather it is an opportunity to examine ourselves. Don’t you agree?

[@jazzbassf]

@@olmeckrav well Maximus I would believe in the trinity if you could show it to me where is says the father son and the holy spirit are one God....yet there is not one single scripture in the bible. I only believe in the bible.

[@randalbanfield6722]

Awesome. Good knowledge to arm myself with, and I love that we are to do it lovingly.

[@archangeljesus4369]

Jesus is a simple servant and John 13:16 proves it.

[@PSALM_6012]

JESUS IS GOD

[@Artlover4life]

Jesus’ opposers accused him of making himself equal to God. (John 5:18; 10:30-33) However, Jesus never claimed to be on the same level as Almighty God. He said: “The Father is greater than I am.”-John 14:28. Jesus’ early followers did not view him as being equal to Almighty God. For example, the apostle Paul wrote that after Jesus was resurrected, God “exalted him [Jesus] to a superior position.” Obviously, Paul did not believe that Jesus was Almighty God. Otherwise, how could God exalt Jesus to a superior position? -Philippians 2:9.

[@doge8676]

Jesus is a god but not Jehovah God like a human father and son are man but not the same man.

[@j.wat.3437]

John 8:18 " I am one who bears witness about myself, AND the Father who sent me bears witness about me." Jesus is not God Almighty not the Father. Vs: 26 " the One who sent me is true, and the very things I HEARD from him" 28 and 29 " after you have lifted up the son of man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own initiative, but just as the Father who sent me, I speak these things. And the ONE who sent me is with me, he did not abandon me to myself because I always do the things PLEASING to him. Can that be any clearer? This truth about Jesus can set one free. Jehovah's Witnesses know and accept the truth about Jesus. It's our commission from the " master worker " to teach and explain the truth about Jesus.

[@ezequieldiaz7282]

Regular Hamster exactly , I don’t understand all this hatred and bash on JW. If you simply read and study the Bible there’s nothing wrong with what they’re saying

[@kboy.2036]

@@ezequieldiaz7282 thank you I agree to the full

[@kboy.2036]

John 1:18 says, No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god ( which is jesus christ ) who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him. This means that god is not jesus because it says he was by his side not him.

[@oscar8and8]

The King James Bible was written with a Trinity in mind. People with Babylonian pagan beliefs insisted that they're Triune god be included with the writing of the king James in the 16th century. The original Aramaic and Greek scriptures had already been finished by the last apostle of Jesus Christ in the 1st century A.D. There was nothing more to add or take away. The complete 66 books were done. They were the only books inspired of God ( 2 Tim. 3:16 ). All other copies hence- forth were to reprint the books according to the centuries' language. But the true meaning of the scripture was to remain intact. Another word could be used to simplify the verse, but it had to stay in its context. It was not to veer off with words that did not agree with the true meaning and it had to comply and not contradict with other verses or books. John 1:1 is an example of the deliberate word change that does not agree with the original Christian Greek scriptures. It contradicts other passages and offsets the whole teaching of the inspired writings. Most of the king James Bible is reliable, but use caution and wisdom by prayer for understanding. And another example again is the name of God. The King James has replaced the name JEHOVAH with "Lord", a title. Why? The Trinitarians who wrote it found a good way to hide the name because Jehovah separated him from his son Jesus Christ. Each one having his own name. How could they be a Trinity if they were apart having their own personal existence one from the other? But God made sure his name was in that Bible, his book, he's the author, and owner and had the right to intervene when he saw the need. You can find his name at Psalms 83:18. How odd. At Psalms 42: 8, it says: I am the LORD, that is my name... which is it? These verses do not agree. Who then is the LORD? There are many gods and many Lords. To whom is it re- fering? It proves the King James Bible contradicts itself. Those using this Bible are being misled and should look into its authenticity. It is a Trinitarian Bible. Not that you should throw it away into the trash, you can still learn much from it just reexam- ine the Trinity doctrine in it and save yourself a lot of confusion. May Jehovah be with you and shed the scales from your eyes that refreshing blessings may come upon you. And pray to him only, through his first-born son. Shun pagan doctrines. Do some research on Triune gods that were worshiped long age. Archeologist have found many idols centuries old with three heads. That's a good place to start. Jehovah expects us to use our common sense.

[@salxonico]

#1 Wherenin the bible does it read that Yahweh Gave authority to forgive sins? #2 Why did the Pharisees wanted to stone Yeshua? #3 John 17:5 ..."with the glory I (Yeshua) had before." #4 1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. #5 Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith , Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. #6 Luke 17:15,18 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God, There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger. #7 Psalms 110:1 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. #8 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God. #9 1John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true; and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. #10 Titus 2:13 looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Please Guy dont get me started on how the Council of Nicea Approved Canon Honours and Glorifies Jesus Yeshua as God in the Godhead. And last but not least, #11 Philippians 2:9-11 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. This my favorite, all will bow including God the Fathers. The term LORD in Hebrew is Adonai And in Greek is Kyrios which in actuality is GOD.

[@lucchinigianni6709]

For a Good work we stone thee not but for thou being a man makest thyself God Jhon 10:33 here's why they killed Jesus Christ

[@michaellomax2]

Read further down in the verses where Jesus said they claimed he blasphemed BECAUSE HE SAID HE WAS THE SON OF GOD, not God Himself. The Jews made FALSE accusations against him. Making himself a god or as some say God was a false accusation. Then Jesus quoted PSALM 82:6, where God Himself calls MEN "gods". They were the Israelites judges. So the term God could be used for one's representing God. Yet Jesus actually STATES he said he was GOD'S SON. It's there in black and white. Nowhere does he claim to be God as in the Deity.

[@lucchinigianni6709]

@@michaellomax2 wrong that is the spirit of Antichrist

[@michaellomax2]

@@lucchinigianni6709 Incorrect. You do not have the truth

[@lucchinigianni6709]

@@michaellomax2 Jesus Christ is God in the flesh is as plain as your nose Colossians 1:15-20 King James Version 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

[@michaellomax2]

@@lucchinigianni6709 The IMAGE of the invisible God. An image is not the real thing. We are made in the image of God. It doesn't mean WE are God does it?. And again it says Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of every creature. The FIRST to be CREATED by God. There, plain as your nose.

[@gokartbob6478]

Easy question.. Jesus words "touch me not, for I have not yet ascended to MY GOD" ✌

[@George-nn8ui]

Gokart Bob love that. Amazing how people wish to creature worship, Jesus is not the Father who we pray to and Jesus taught us to pray to the Father, an open and shit case.

[@lytnin88]

@@George-nn8ui Creature worship? Where does it say in the Bible that Jesus was created? And the fact that we pray to the Father (as Jesus did) does not disprove the Trinity.

[@kookie.krissy4543]

David Schmiedeberg Genesis’s have you not be reading the Bible

[@j.wat.3437]

@@lytnin88 and it certainly doesn't prove it, dose it? Maybe this simple one; " for there is One God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all" explain please_________________________________________________.

[@jacintoaries]

Jesus was fully man and fully God the mind with out the Holy Spirit cannot discern these things

[@1968dogg]

God cannot die. In Genesis before Adam was created, He said: "Let us make man in our image." He was having a conversation with whom? Jesus did die.

[@americanlegaldefense7789]

Give me a single verse that says God can't die. And none of that garbage circular reasoning, just give me the verse. If you don't give the verse, your claim has no Biblical reasoning. Said verse doesn't exist, so it doesn't have a Biblical basis anyway. I suggest you study some more because this is blasphemy. "...feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." (Acts 20:28) God can die, God did die, and that God is Jesus. One must believe that he is God before they can come to God! "...he that cometh to God must believe that he is..." (Hebrews 11:6) God loves you! Please, my friend, believe before it's too late!

[@van1183]

@@americanlegaldefense7789 believe what?...

[@van1183]

@@americanlegaldefense7789... Easy answer... read verse Revelation 1:8 my friend... God cannot die if he is the Alpha and the Omega right? He has No beginning and no end... So if Jesus died, he can't be the alpha and the omega can he... Jesus was created.. created by GOD JEHOVAH. He is the begotten of all creation... which makes him Special. Begotten means firstborn from all creation

[@van1183]

@@americanlegaldefense7789 All Mighty God is the Alpha and th Omega mentioned in Revelation 1:8. There was never an end or will be an end to Jehovah God. Where as Jesus was created, died, and then was resurrected on the 3rd day.. An All Mighty God could not die, be created or be able to ressurect himself.. NOW remember, Satan never questioned Jehova's Power. For he knew better than to. But he did question his right to rule over us. Which is why were in this mess in the first place. Man cannot rule over man! Look at all the death and greed in this world. We need JEHOVAH as our ruler to guide us . It is why in the Lord's prayer we ask... However, the prayer “Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth”

[@claudetteearle3052]

Ivan Villavicencio I agree that Jesus was created. Which makes him a son of God as opposed to the son of God. Jesus even calls us sisters and brothers... by Bible reports.

[@rolandocantu6736]

Hippolytus, who died about 235 C.E., said that God is “the one God, the first and the only One, the Maker and Lord of all,” who “had nothing co-eval [of equal age] with him . . . But he was One, alone by himself; who, willing it, called into being what had no being before,” such as the created prehuman Jesus.

[@jw4life400]

THE TRINITY IS NOT SCRIPTURAL.

[@salxonico]

#1 Wherenin the bible does it read that Yahweh Gave authority to forgive sins? #2 Why did the Pharisees wanted to stone Yeshua? #3 John 17:5 ..."with the glory I (Yeshua) had before." #4 1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. #5 Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith , Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. #6 Luke 17:15,18 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God, There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger. #7 Psalms 110:1 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. #8 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God. #9 1John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true; and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. #10 Titus 2:13 looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Please Guy dont get me started on how the Council of Nicea Approved Canon Honours and Glorifies Jesus Yeshua as God in the Godhead. And last but not least, #11 Philippians 2:9-11 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. This my favorite, all will bow including God the Fathers. The term LORD in Hebrew is Adonai And in Greek is Kyrios which in actuality is GOD.

[@ea-tr1jh]

@@salxonico I believe the Trinity is true, but just a piece of advice, you might want to study a bit more before you defend the Trinity. There is a weak point in your defense. The 1 John 5:7-8 passage you used, in the KJV, is a major mistranslation. It doesn't mention the Trinity at all. Read the NIV, ESV, and NASB versions. They are much more accurate translations of the verse, because they use earlier Greek manuscripts. Also, there is a footnote that you must read in the NIV.

[@americanlegaldefense7789]

@@ea-tr1jh DO NOT READ THE PERVERTED NIV, ESV OR NASB! THEY ARE NOT THE WORD OF GOD! READ THE KJV! STUDY THE HISTORY OF YOUR BIBLES!

[@ea-tr1jh]

@@americanlegaldefense7789 I definitely know a lot more about the KJV, that's for sure. The KJV is NOT infallible and never has been. Neither is any other translation. You know that the NIV and ESV is more accurate than the KJV, right? The NIV and ESV uses earlier manuscripts to translate. The KJV uses the Textus Receptus, which is written in 1500. The NIV and ESV use manuscripts from 500-1000 A.D., which are the earliest manuscripts available today, and therefore, more true to the original manuscripts, although no translation is perfect. The KJV contains many New Testament verses and even whole passages that are not in the earliest manuscripts. The NIV, ESV, and NASB, however, recognize these mistakes and put these added passages in parenthesis or italics to indicate that they are not originally there. They also provide footnotes as to why they were not added in the translation. Any Christian scholar will tell you that the KJV is one of the more inaccurate translations out there. I literally just showed you a place whether the KJV is seriously messed up and inaccurately translated (not loyal to the Greek manuscripts) and you still worship it and treat it as if it's infallible. Read 1 John 5:7-8 in the KJV and compare it to the NIV, ESV, and NASB (and pretty much any other updated version). You'll see a major difference. Do some research on the verse. In the NIV, it provides a footnote about the KJV: "1 John 5:8 Late manuscripts of the Vulgate [say] *testify in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. 8 And there are three that testify on earth: the[...]* (not found in any Greek manuscript before the fourteenth century)." The only version that is infallible is the *original* Greek manuscripts. You telling me to read up on my history is ironic because you clearly know little about the KJV. The only reason the KJV was written was because people wanted a version they could understand. It's the same reason why the NIV, ESV, NASB, and other versions were translated. So wanting a contemporary version is not wrong or a perversion. I was taught to read multiple translations as well as the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts for a more in-depth read. Read these articles on the KJV: - billygraham.org/answer/is-the-king-james-bible-the-only-reliable-bible/ - www.gotquestions.org/KJV-only.html

[@jamieofalltrades536]

I think you need to open a bible and read it, because it clearly speaks about the Trinity AKA The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit within the Bible...

[@jordansgworld110]

Jehovah is the true god..love him because he loves you more than anything

[@George-nn8ui]

Jordan SG World so true, and who did he say to pray to?, the Father and Jesus said the father has a name, yet most if not all translations took that name Jehovah away. Hallelujah means praise Jah. The word Trinity is not in the Bible.

[@joselynm5634]

@@George-nn8ui it is YHWH not Jehova.

[@George-nn8ui]

•YESHUA IS THE ONLY WAY that’s if you would speak Hebrew, I’m English.

[@ea-tr1jh]

@@George-nn8ui "the word Trinity is not in the Bible". The word "Bible" is not in the Bible 😐 Seeing that you use the fact that the word "Trinity" isnt in the Bible, then I guess you believe the Bible isn't true either, since the word "Bible" is not in Scripture? That is a poor defense of nontrinitarianism and doesn't prove anything.

[@vv3717]

@@George-nn8ui hall El Jah = please Elohim Jahve.

[@rolandocantu6736]

Primitive Christianity did not have an explicit doctrine of the Trinity such as was subsequently elaborated in the creeds.”-The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology. “The early Christians, however, did not at first think of applying the [Trinity] idea to their own faith. They paid their devotions to God the Father and to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and they recognised the . . . Holy Spirit; but there was no thought of these three being an actual Trinity, co-equal and united in One.”-The Paganism in Our Christianity

[@alexandria7309]

In the nwt it is altered to “I have been” so I don’t think this strategy would work.

[@jazzbassf]

@Alexandria You said the nwt altered to "I have been" here are a list of other no witness bibles that say the same or similar thing > 1869: "From before Abraham was, I have been." The New Testament, by G. R. > Noyes. > > 1935: "I existed before Abraham was born!" The Bible-An American Translation, > by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed. why do these bible translations say the same thing as nwt ? The expression at John 8:58 is quite different from the one used at Exodus > 3:14. Jesus did not use it as a name or a title but as a means of explaining > his prehuman existence. Hence, note how some other Bible versions render John > 8:58: above

[@olmeckrav]

jazzbassf fenderjazz the NWT is altered. See John 1:1 there is no other tramping the world that says Jesus was “””a god””” little g

[@jazzbassf]

@@olmeckrav there almost 70 other translation that translates John 1:1 the same way as the NWT did you know that my friend? What do they see that they agree with the NWT ?

[@jazzbassf]

Herre is just a small sample of the many bible translations that translates John 1:1 and the word was a god 1808: "and the Word was a god" - Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London. 1822: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.) 1829: "and the Word was a god" - The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829) 1863: "and the Word was a god" - A Literal Translation of the New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863) " - A New Emphatic Version (right hand column) 1864: "and a god was the Word" - The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London (left hand column interlinear reading) 1885: "and the Word was a god" - Concise Commentary on The Holy Bible (R. Young, 1885) 1911: "and [a] God was the word" - The Coptic Version of the New Testament in the Southern Dialect, by George William Horner.[17] 1924: "the Logos was divine" - The Bible: James Moffatt Translation, by James Moffatt.[18] 1935: "and the Word was divine" - The Bible: An American Translation, by John M. P. Smith and Edgar J. Goodspeed, Chicago.[19] 1955: "so the Word was divine" - The Authentic New Testament, by Hugh J. Schonfield, Aberdeen.[20] 1958: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Anointed (J. L. Tomanec, 1958); so with this small sample we can see that these translations agree with the NWT and this was before the NWT came into existence in 1950

[@olmeckrav]

jazzbassf fenderjazz That’s interesting. But there is no other God, true God, than YHWH. So how can Jesus be a true god? And see how many translations don’t add the “a” and the little g (god) to John 1:1 - www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%201%3A

[@geobla6600]

That's interesting that you agree that Jehovah is the english version of the Greek Translation of Gods Name.( Sorry , the most holy name of God) And it's also true that the name of God ( Tetragrammaton / YHWH or JHVH are articulated as Yahweh or Jehovah) That name was replaced by Jewish Superstition with titles such as Adonai , Abba , Elohim ( Which the pagan nation of Canaan also called their God) and so forth. These ether were titles such as lord or meanings much like a quality or a power, but not a name. Where God's name has been replaced in many bibles in over 6800 areas , It's usually been replaced with all capital letters such as GOD and so forth. There are a few places that most bibles didn't completely remove it because the verse would have been completely senseless. In the King James and most other bibles , they actually left God's name in the Bible at Psalms 83:18 where it says: That men may KNOW that thou , whose name ALONE IS JEHOVAH , art the most high over the earth. Now if you put Gods name ( Yahweh or Jehovah ) back into the over 6800 verses its been replaced with titles , the whole conception of the bible would be completely different. It would be impossible to come up with a mystical teaching such as the trinity. It never was part of the early christian teachings and never showed up until the forth century , long after the completion of the bible . There's an unlimited amount of documentation on that. So , the 100's of times Jesus mentioned different things about his Father , His God and Their (The Christians that were there when he said it)God and how when he was baptized the people heard Gods Voice say this is my Son and how he's referred to as the only begotten son , That the bible would actually make sense.

[@decidedscroll]

Hey Geo Bla I was hoping you could answer this for me. Isaiah 44:6King James Version (KJV) 6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Revelation 1:17-18King James Version (KJV) 17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Revelation 2:8King James Version (KJV) 8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

[@j.wat.3437]

It's easy for those that want to worship the true God, know and be close to. Satan has blinded their minds they can see it, but they can't get it!

[@Joeamerican]

The most powerful and clearly undeniable statement Jesus said to confirm that he was God was when he referred to himself as The I Am. He stated before Abraham was I AM.

[@jzak5723]

Correct, echoing Exodus 3:14 when God told Moses that " I AM SENT YOU".

[@finalfrontier001]

that is actually wrong. There is no statement that is "I AM"

[@Joeamerican]

@@finalfrontier001 John 8:58, now are still going to say there is no statement?

[@finalfrontier001]

@@Joeamerican I a talking about old testament.

[@Joeamerican]

@@finalfrontier001 Exodus 3:14 is what Jesus is referring too. God states in Exodus 3:14 "This is what you are to say to the Israelite, I Am has sent me to you"

[@cbooth151]

How _should_ you respond to the claim of a Jehovah's Witness that Jesus is not God? Well, you _should_ say: "YES, YOU'RE RIGHT! Jesus is _NOT_ God. Instead, at John 10:36, Jesus said of himself: "I am the _SON_ of God." Oh, and concerning what God's name is, my King James Bible says his name is "Jehovah," as the following verses say: 1. "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." (Ex. 6:3) 2. "That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth." (Ps. 83:18) 3. "Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation." (Isa. 12:2) 4. "Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength." (Isa. 26:4) So, Jehovah is God. Jesus is the Son of God. (Mark 1:1)

[@ingodwetrust7778]

Jesus = Jehovah Saves. Hey... God called Him that!

[@ingodwetrust7778]

sha1017906, “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God...” _John __1:12_

[@the777movie-reviewer4]

Yehova witness teach that God the Almighty created thousands and millions years before our Creation, The Son the Firstborn of all creation. And through him created everything. In their bible john 1:1 reads In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was a god. So, they teach God and a god. This is already unbiblical. The bible nowhere teaches that there is such things as God and gods. Yes, the bible does teaches false gods but not divine gods. In the beginning the word was. They teach the word began in the beginning. This is contrary to what john 1 says.

[@micahwatson9017]

THE777MOVIE-REVIEWER - then why does Rev. 3:18 say that Jesus "was the BEGINNING of creation of God"?

[@micahwatson9017]

THE777MOVIE-REVIEWER - Jesus said that there are gods. Read your bible without your pagan glasses on.

[@intellectualDumbbell]

Jesus is divine. He has to be for Him to be the Saviour of the world. If Jesus is not God, then his sacrifice on the cross could not take away the sins of the world and bring us into a relationship with the Father. Doesn't matter if Jesus lived a perfect life without sinning, if he was just a human being like us, and no divinity, then how does that save us?

[@FrankLee-gq8yc]

His sacrifice saves us as it paid the ransom required. Adam forfeited perfect human life. The ransom price was beyond any of his descendants to pay, as we are all born imperfect. (Ps49:7). God's perfect justice required like for like. Soul for soul. Jesus was transferred to the womb of Mary and born a perfect human. "The last Adam".. He was able to pay the debt Adam left mankind in. Matt20:28. Rom5. Massive love on the part of both God, in sending his only begotten son, and also in Jesus, by willingly giving his life to give us a hope we could never have without his sacrifice.

[@benjaminarthur2453]

Read psalms 83:18 in the old king James version of the bible

[@apologeticevangelist5470]

@@r0b0gam3r9 until you find out that Jesus is "Jehovah"

[@malcomjones2857]

Apologetic Evangelist Do you read the Holy bible? Matt 16:13-17 John 20:31 Jesus isn’t Jehovah. Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. Plain and simple, you don’t have to add your private interpretation. Interpretation belongs to Jehovah only. Gen 40:8

[@apologeticevangelist5470]

@@malcomjones2857 The only way is to let scripture interpret scripture. Yes those scriptures clearly state Jesus 'titles'. I'm speaking about His name.... the biggest revelation about God through scripture, that He exists in 3 coequal and coeternal persons. So, what was the preincarnate Jesus name? Hint... it was not Michael. Heb 1:3-5

[@malcomjones2857]

Apologetic Evangelist Do you believe God’s words are infallible? Tittles , are you kidding me. So your calling Jehovah a liar. Jehovah never said he was Jesus. Jehovah never said he was the Christ. Why would God the creator be anointed, he’s the Almighty God.He does the anointing. What the hell is a Apologetic Evangelist? Matt 16:17 Revealed by Jehovah by the Almighty God to Simon Peter that Jesus is God’s Son. Plain and simple. Where do you get Jesus is Jehovah?

[@DeeProverbs]

Malcom Jones find two scriptures where God said he is the first and the last. Who is talking in those scriptures?

[@garyavey7929]

The word Trinity is not found in the bible Psalm110:1 Proverbs 8:22-30

[@j.wat.3437]

@MakeLemonade you are so right organization but what does it mean? Body of people! Those with the same goal! Receive instruction together! " love among themselves " my disciples" you will know them" God's mountain (house) will above the hills and mountains( other organizations political or religious ) " these people will say come with us to Jehovah's mountain and he will instruct us" faithful and discreet slave or steward? Not one or two but it is a composite body that makes one. To give food at the proper time" great crowd, other sheep, little flock under One Shepherd ". Pioneer? A person who goes ahead, front-runner, explorer of the territory. Set a high standard for others to follow. All fits the Son of Man, son of God Jesus. His appointed apostles and disciples. Like Charles Taze Russell. He wasn't afraid to take on the apostate Christendom and it's teaching. He was not silent about what they saw from the scriptures. And was not quite about his understanding of the 2,520 years that ended in 1914. And even today the certain ones still try to slander this Pioneer and say " his prediction was wrong" there was no prediction. It was an understanding of Bible prophecy. Pioneers follow those that follow the Christ. Do Pioneers have more of Jehovah's holy spirit than others? Jesus answers " asking his father for it" as long as we ask for it he gives it in my name". Jehovah has power and beyond, unlimited Dynamic energy". He gives it freely to those who wants, ask and deserve it.

[@j.wat.3437]

MakeLemonade you come and knock on my door and I’ll tell you! I probably have to wait 144000 years for that 🚀

[@j.wat.3437]

@MakeLemonade No! Angry Apostate I never deal with. Go, and wait!

[@j.wat.3437]

@MakeLemonade i can help you in your understanding. It will take a lil humility from both of us. Born again? Flesh and blood cannot enter heaven. Jesus at his death and then his Resurrection to heavenly life as a spirit person. There is no such thing in our sinful, imperfect, sickly dying body can sin be washed away. That is our punishment for disobedience. Adam has dented and stained all with sin and death. A person can put away the things he once practiced, put on the new personality, and turn his life around. Live a clean life but still have sin. Jesus will do away with sin and death. Death is the last enemy that Jesus will end. You mentioned the scriptural 144000 that was brought from the earth Yes. They are the only ones that was seen by John on Mount Zion with Jehovah God and Jesus. Having both names written in their foreheads. Even them while they live on this earth they are still like you and I. Not practice sin but still a sinner. Recognizing they like us need to have a relationship with Jehovah and pray in Jesus name. We all need forgiveness. No human can will themselves into that position to see Jehovah and serve as Kings with Jesus. It's NO emotional feeling. A person knows that he or she is of that number. Yes I would love to see Jehovah and Jesus Christ, but I'm also glad that I'm not chosen. I'm looking forward to seeing my dad and mom, on this earth, that will be like Eden. A worldwide Paradise!

[@j.wat.3437]

@MakeLemonade you don't have to call them THEY. I'm One of those. So, you are born Again? So these 144000 persons that John saw on Mount Zion with Jesus, you are on of them? That means you have been born with water and spirit and begotten. You are a son of God? Jehovah himself has given you his spirit and have bear witness with you of that. That means you are a new creation. The Israel of God. You are going to rule as a King and Priest along with Jesus for the healing of mankind. The ones on the earth Jonn saw " a great crowd " on the earth. They've survive the coming Great Tribulation. They owe salvation to our God and to the Lamb. So your born againisum puts you in a special class. You've followed the Lamb where he goes and you sing a song that no one can sing but the 144000 that have been brought from the earth. That also means that you have to die! Humans can't enter into the Spirit Realm Of Heaven. You will see Jehovah GOD! You will see Jesus Christ as King. And you will see Jesus how he carries out Jehovah's will. So I can picture you pouting, mad because you see Jehovah as God. Pouting with your arms folded, cause you don't want them Jehovahs to be right! How foolish you're looking with you bottom spirit lip stuck out! You hear aloud voice " step forward! What is WRONG WITH YOU? OH WAIT A MINUTE JESUS! I RECOGNIZE THAT ONE RIGHT THERE! FOUGHT ME ALL THE WAY BY FIGHTING against MY WITNESSES! CALLING THEM NAMES AND SPEAKING AGAINST MY TRUTH, HATING MY ORGANIZATION! DID YOU NOT KNOW? DID YOU NOT READ YOUR BIBLE? DO NOT LOOK AWAY! LOOK INTO JESUS BEAMING EYES! 🤤

[@malcomjones2857]

The trinity is confusion among Christendom it’s own believers . How can they explain it, when they don’t have a clue what it is

[@neilpittsley3856]

So, you did not actually answer the question you posed. So, there is nothing from this video that I can use to convince a JW. So far you have proved that Jesus said "I am He" and that he said he existed before Abraham. Why pose a question to which you have no convincing answer?

[@Mr1bigsal]

Neil Pittsley John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 8 24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” John 5 23 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him Philippians 2:9-11King James Version (KJV) 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. revelation 1:17 17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, 18 and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades. John 51-56 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.” 52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.

[@shaofdoubt5267]

Neil Pittsley *someone brings up Sh'ma (Shema) Yisrael and when it was used by the Son = ultimate defeat of the Trinity doctrine*

[@justinbouy3153]

Neil Pittsley Isaiah 9:6 John 20:28

[@malcomjones2857]

Neil Pittsley something wrong with that.Nobody knows everything and sometimes you have to research.

[@justinbouy3153]

Malcom Jones I recently finished a large document to help witness to the Jehovah's Witnesses if you would like I can send it to you

[@byronofcalgary6985]

...respond with a JW Bible Study - Q when the Pharisees accused Jesus of comparing Himself with God... were they Right ? or Wrong ? did Jesus Blaspheme ? - follow up - is it blasphemy to claim Authority or Appointment by God TODAY ? - what about during the 200 years of Reformation Bible Study + Scrutiny ?

[@777Tralfaz777]

Please show the verse you are referring to. The Jews made many claims against Jesus including breaking the sabbath. The opposing Jews did not speak truth.

[@olmeckrav]

Jehovah is not a Greek word. It is a latinized version created by raymundus martini in the 13 th century. The new world translation is an abhorrent book created by Fred Franz who was a college dropout.

[@olmeckrav]

wafle21 The apostles, however, walked with our Lord Jesus Christ. Acts 4:13 ESV [13] Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were uneducated, common men, they were astonished. And they recognized that they had been with Jesus." ---The same cannot be said of Mr. Franz, unless you think he was an apostle....

[@olmeckrav]

wafle21 are you comparing Mr. Franz with the apostles?

[@TysonIsKetchy]

fred franz exposed the association

[@olmeckrav]

TysonIsKetchy No, that's not FREDDY. That's Raymond Franz, his nephew. Don't get it confused.

[@truthseeker-jwnightmares4351]

N S nice try with the straw man argument. Not one single person on this forum has argued that Jesus Christ was born on December 25. I have never met a single individual who believes this. As an Ex-JW we have been fully schooled on the fact that this was a pagan religious holiday that was coopted in an attempt by Rome to consolidate power... But as I have on several other occasions I will simply correct you with scripture: Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. You are a self righteous, mind controlled cult slave of a false god named Jehovah. If you had studied the Occult as I have you would be aware that Jehovah is worshiped and sacrificed to by Satan Worshipers. Lucifer, Baal, Ocirus, Jehovah, Jubaalon.... The apostles worshiped Jesus as God, the Pharisees wanted to stone him for claiming to be God and only Christians worship Jesus Christ.... Every other cult on earth does not and that includes the Jehovah cult and the Jehovah slaves of the Watchtower corporation.

[@George-nn8ui]

Where is that trinity god in your Bible, and Easter? Please show those scriptures, I’m am is not enough to explain away dozens of scriptures showing in plain site the truth, 2 scriptures that have Jesus asking why do you call me good, only the father is good, and when he tells Satan to go to the scriptures Aramaic Bible in Plain English Then Yeshua said to him, “Depart Satan, for it is written: 'You shall worship THE LORD JEHOVAH your God and him alone shall you serve.' “.... Jesus is telling Satan it is him, he’s not saying me. You guys, don’t quit your day job. 🤗

[@scottadair9244]

Hebrews 1:5

[@George-nn8ui]

Scott Adair if you can go up to verse 3 it says the son is an exact reflection does not say he is God, “He is the reflection of God’s glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power. And after he had made a purification for our sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.” Also Jesus is created or begotten or only begotten son of God...would you like that scripture?

[@scottadair9244]

@@George-nn8ui i would like for you to show me what the word begotton means in the greek.... Not your own interpretation of it..but copy and paste it from the strongs..not some made up Greek from jws.... And show me in the Greek the meaning of the word firstborn.... It is prototokos..means preimmanant ...not created .... No where in the bible does it say that jesus is created.. but hey look up the word firstborn. Paste it. And look up the word begotton and paste it.

[@scottadair9244]

Read Matthew chapter 3 ...and tell me how you cant see 3 persons of the triune God head... Moreover tell me what the word elohim means ..is it singular or plural ?? If its plural then what does that mean

[@George-nn8ui]

Scott Adair I’m glad you brought that up because just as the new world translation can use the Greek word to mean one and only, Wikipedia says the same, the only problem is that false religions that call the Witnesses a cult are the same ones that are missing the whole point of that Greek word put a trinity in the mix and call it Christianity. If they are Christians then they would take to heart what Jesus said in John 14:28 “You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.”

[@clydewaldo3144]

This is real truth Jesus is the son of god. No matter what you say you cannot refute this. . That's why your not worth listening to.

[@jamesritter5078]

_Here_ is real truth: JWs believe and teach that Christ is _really_ Michael the angel/archangel. This belief is falsehood. Here's why that's true: NO angel would ever make the declaration that Christ makes for Himself in John 12:45 NO angel would ever tell people to believe in it the same as they do in God. But Christ does just that in John 14:1. NO angel would ever make the declaration Christ makes for Himself in John 14:7-9. Michael would DEFINITELY NOT ever make these declarations. His name means "Who Is Like God?" Obvious answer: NO ONE. If Michael had made those declarations, he would be going against the meaning of his own name and committing blasphemy. NO angel would ever receive for itself the declaration of Thomas in John 20:28. NO angel has the same nature as God, as Paul states Christ does in Philippians 2:6. In NO angel does all the fullness of God reside, as Paul states in Colossians 2:9.

[@Timodagreat31]

Jesus and God are clearly TWO distinctive entities. Many scriptures refer to JESUS being the SON OF GOD not the other way around. The fact that JESUS incarnation was clearly seen by humans means he's not GOD, because GOD IS INVISIBLE and no one has seen God and lived! Exodus 33: 20. But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live." 1 Timothy 1: 17. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen. According to the bible Jesus clearly wasn't IMMORTAL since he died on a stake. According to the bible Jesus clearly wasn't invisible since his disciples and many humans SAW him. Out of his own mouth he proclaimed GOD name, not his own.

[@solomon498]

Timodagreat31 Just a few things brother, Jesus Christ is the manifestation of the God the Father as the Son of God. In Colossians 1:15 it says "The Son is the image of the invisible God". In the same way John 14:9 also says "Anyone who has SEEN ME has SEEN the FATHER" which actually highlights the idea that the disciples actually walked with Jesus Christ being the Son of God as the manifestation of God. Also to highlight the issue of immortality, Jesus Christ had to come down to earth in the form of a man in order to save us from our sins. In order for Him to do that he would need to take the form of a human for the physical death to occur and reconnect us back to the Father (John 14:6 "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through Me") I hope that makes a bit more sense. God bless you

[@somewheretheheartis]

​@@divi1223 Ill reply to John 14:28 and ex 33:20, but first I want to expand on the verse about Jesus being equal to God: "Who being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage..." NIV "Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to..." NLT "Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God..." KJV In your own Kingdom Interlinear of the Gk scriptures (it reads choppy because its literal word for word from the Greek): "who in form of God existing not snatching he considered the to be equal to God..." Even in your own Greek it shows Jesus as equal. Look for yourself. You can see the WT added in parenthesis (things), trying to take away his equality, but that is not what it actually says, and you can read it word for word on their website. The other bible translations got it right. NWT had to change it to fit their beliefs. Once you believe Philippians 2:6 & 7 as it is actually written in Greek, John 14:28 and exodus 33:20 make absolute sense. Phil 2:6 & 7 reveals to us that Jesus laid aside his equality, divesting himself of his heavenly spirit glory, to become a human being. He was in the form of God, but then he took on himself the form of a servant. He became a man, so that he could identify with man as his high priest and mediator, as only a man could do. The WT teaches he turned back into an angel Michael, but he could not have, as scripture tells us ONLY a man can intercede for a man as high priest Hebrews 3:1, 2:14-18. This means the instant Jesus turns back into a spirit being he would no longer be able to intercede and be mediator. We would all be doomed. He MUST remain a man, possible only by a bodily resurrection. But back to John 14:28... as a man Jesus laid aside his divine rights (phil 2:7) and because he became human, God was greater. This does not contradict because John 1:1, 18 says "In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God and the Word was God...and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us..." Here we see two in the trinity. BOTH are called God, and there's only one TRUE God which means any other God is a false god. Because Jesus the Word became a human, God is greater. How does this work exactly I dont know, God is so much bigger than we can ever fully understand. So I trust the scripture, I believe everything it says including John 1:1. Exodus 33:20... According to scripture people have seen God in other forms. They haven't seen him in all his heavenly spirit glory. But he has appeared as other forms outside of his heavenly glory: a burning bush, pillar of fire, a great cloud... in Exodus 24:10, 11 "And they saw the God if Israel, and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God and did eat and drink." No one can see the TRUE form of God but people have seen manifestations of him in various forms (I only listed a scant few). Jesus is also a manifestation of God in human form. They could look at Jesus therefore and not die.

[@jw4life400]

No your wrong. That doesnt prove Jesus is God.

[@BEN280184]

To the speaker on the right hand side. I am assuming you are using the KJV. When Jesus asked "whom say ye that I am", the answer was "the Christ" or "the Son of God" - *Never God* Did you notice at John 8:24 where it says "I am he" that ye word "he" is in italics. That is because it is added to the text. By the way in John 8:58 where Jesus uses the words I am is not the same as Exodus 3:14 where the Hebrew words are in the causative case meaning "I shall come to be" or "I shall cause to be" or "I shall prove to be" . The KJV and most Bibles get that wrong by saying "I am" In John 8:58 the context is talking about age not identity. Jesus was saying that he existed before Abraham "Jesus said to them, Truly, truly do I say to you, From before Abraham was, I have been." (1869 Noyes Translation) "Then Jesus said to them, "I most solemnly say to you, I existed before Abraham was born." (1936 Williams NT)

[@rolandocantu6736]

Jesuit Fortman states: “The New Testament writers . . . give us no formal or formulated doctrine of the Trinity, no explicit teaching that in one God there are three co-equal divine persons. . . . Nowhere do we find any trinitarian doctrine of three distinct subjects of divine life and activity in the same Godhead.

[@calvinb7573]

The Trinity doctrine was not officially accepted by the so called " Christian Church" until the 3rd century.Constantine had a hand in this.What's interesting is that the Trinity was apparently unknown to Jesus, the apostles , nor any of the prophets of the old testament.They say nothing about it.If anything Jesus own words talks against it."Touch me not because I'm going away to my God and your God".Now stop right there.Jesus said he himself "Had a God".Not only that he said " The Father greater than I am".Not only that Jesus said there something he did not know." Concerning that day nobody knows.Not the angels nor the Son" but only the Father".In the book of Hebrew's the apostle Paul said Jesus " Learned obedience from the things he suffered " .Even Jesus " learned something".Can Almighty God be " TAUGHT"???? Can an Almighty God be tempted? In the book of James it says" Let not anyone who's going through a trial say he is being tried by God.For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does He try anyone".Yet Jesus was tried 3 times by the Devil.Look all throughout the old testament and NONE of the same wordings or even a hint of such is said about Yahweh or Jehovah.Nor do we read of Jehovah praying to anyone.Jesus did.The Bible is clear.Jesus is not God and he never claimed to be God.John 1:1 does not prove the Trinity anymore than me saying " In the beginning of this conversation was me.And I was with my wife.And my wife was me". Its obvious I'm not my wife and she's not me .But if you change the wording and put "The Word" and "God" people wanna believe Jesus is Almighty God.Now in Isaiah it does call Jesus " Mighty God".But nowhere in the bible does it call Jesus "Almighty God".A huge difference. But people believe what they want regardless of what's right there in black white.

[@julienielsen3746]

God the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit. We are all trinities. We are spirits, we have souls ( Which is our mind, our will, and our emotions ) and we live in bodies. www1.cbn.com/questions/what-are-the-three-parts-of-man

[@ingodwetrust7778]

Calvin B said: “John 1:1 does not prove the Trinity...” Even though it says: “In the beginning was [Jesus], and [Jesus] was with God, and [Jesus] was God.” Let me repeat that: “In the beginning... [Jesus] was God.” “Jesus was God.” *“Jesus* was *God.”* *“JESUS* was *GOD.”* *“Iēsous [Heb. origin-Yeshuah] ēn to theos.”-“Jehovah, thou wast the Deity.”* When was he “the God?” In the beginning! _He continues..._ “John 1:1 does not prove the Trinity anymore than me saying ‘In the beginning -of this conversation- was me, and I was with my wife, and my wife was me.’ It's obvious I'm not my wife, and she's not me.” First off: You are your wife and your wife is you. You are both one flesh. “And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.” (Mark 10:8) Second: The last part of that comment shows that John 1:1 doesn't _actually_ mean what it says. Do you believe that “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God...” (II Timothy 3:16)? Do you believe that it was “GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake... by the prophets,” (Hebrews 1:1)? Do you believe that “...holy men of God spake _as they were_ moved by the Holy Ghost.” (II Peter 1:21)? Do you believe that “...[God's] word is truth” (John 17:17)? If you _do,_ then you believe that the Bible-the _whole_ Bible-is inspired by a perfect God, and thus is all correct and all perfect in 100% harmony and no contradictions with any other verse. The Bible says: “The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalm 12:6-7) If this is the case, which it obviously is, then we have the perfect word of God today, and if God gave us _his_ perfect word, then why would it be open to private interpretation? The simple answer is found in II Peter 1:20: “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.” Strong's Greek Dictionary defines the word “prophecy” in this verse as simply: “a _prediction_ (scriptural or other).” If you're one that says “The prophecy OF the Scriptures; not the Scriptures as a whole,” then consider this: God's word being eternally preserved for us is a prediction. Therefore, every word being preserved in it is also a prediction. If you're one of those who only believes the New Testament, then consider this: “...the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.” (I Timothy 3:15) "...[God's] word is truth.” (John 17:17) “[Jesus is] the way, the truth...” (John 14:6) Strong's Greek Dictionary defines the word “the” (Greek-“to”) as: “the definite article; _the”_ The feminine usage (“she” [Greek-“ho”]) and the neuter usage (“hē”) are also used and translated as “he (subjective), she (subjective), it (subjective), him (objective), her (objective), it (objective),” etc. But the word “the” remains “to” and is translated as “the, this, that.” It's fourth translation is “one.” Webster's 1828 Dictionary Definition of “one” is: “Single in number; individual; as _one_ man; _one_ book. There is _one_ sun only in our system of planets.” And, going back to the Greek, the word “one” again is “to” meaning “the.” Thus, the word “the” is equivalent to the singular “one and only.” Therefore, we know that when Jesus says he is “the” truth, he is the “only” truth. So, God's true word must also be Jesus' true word, and Jesus' true word God's true word. Doesn't the Bible say in John 1:1 that Jesus is the living “Word?” Revelation calls him “The Word of God.” Therefore, if the church is the pillar and ground of THE THE THE *“ONLY”* truth, they're the pillar and ground of both Jesus and his word. The church will always exist until Jesus takes it out, as Matthew 16:18 says “...the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Therefore, his word will be preserved. And if Jesus is perfect (I Peter 1:21-22), then his word must also be perfect, as they are one and the same. And if Jesus is eternal (Isaiah 9:6 “everlasting Father”) then his word is as well. Now the Bible says miracles would cease when that which is perfect was come in I Corinthians 13. After that, only faith, hope, and love would remain. This can't be Jesus or his 1,000-year kingdom, as the Bible says when that is come, only love will remain. Therefore, that which is perfect is the perfect Law of Liberty of James 1:25 and James 2:12. The word “perfect” in describing the perfect law of liberty is τέλειος (“teleios”). Strong's Greek Dictionary defines it as simply: _“complete_ (in various applications...) _completeness.”_ We don't see miracles today. Therefore, the word of God is _already_ complete. It's simply been translated from ancient Hebrew, Chaldee and Koine Greek into English. It's very clear now that we still have God's preserved word with us today. It's been translated into English several times, and the most accurate translation took place in 1604 when King James commanded apx. forty Episcopal language scholors from universities that only the very best of the best could attend. And they were not only trained in Ancient Hebrew, as many claim, but in many other languages as well. Let me restate: They were the best. All forty of them translated the Bible from it's original languages using the Textus Receptus and other translated Bibles, and, over the course of five years (1604-1609), they translated it. Then they looked over it again for an additional two years to ensure it was correct. Finally, when it was completed in 1611, it was named “The Holy Bible, Conteyning the Old Testament, and the New,” and it was given to the people free of charge. Now that we have the completed word of God, we can look into the original Greek language and see what the meaning of the words used in the original New Testament are. In John 1:1, the word “God” is the same all three times, thus saying specifically: “Jesus was God,” _or,_ “Jehovah, thou wast the Deity.” And since we have the preserved word of God, translated into English, Authored by God himself, do you think there'd be any “errors” in the Bible? Not if “the holy spirit spake” and “God inspired.” Otherwise God is imperfect, which is not the case. Furthermore, I Corinthians 14:33 says: “For God is not the author of confusion...” If there are any errors, additions, or subtractions in his word, then he _is_ the Author of confusion, which is not the case. So, The Bible is infallible, as Jesus is infallible. I say all that to say this: If the Bible says something, *_the Bible means it,_* because it's really the words of God. Therefore, all of it is 100% true and accurate with no contradictions. So, since now we know that John 1:1 in Koine Greek really says “Jehovah, thou wast the Deity,” you can be assured that this is what it means, no errors, no contradictions, end of story. Some like to say an error in translation was made, and that it _should_ say “In the beginning... the Word was *a* god.” However, that goes directly against Isaiah 44:8: “...Is there a God beside me? yea, _there is_ no God; I know not _any.”_ God made sure to use the Hebrew “elowahh” for “God” here instead of his name “elohyim.” “Elowahh” is defined by Strong's Greek Dictionary as: “a _deity_ or the _Deity.”_ He makes sure to say “there is no deity beside me.” Since the Bible does not contradict itself, John 1:1 isn't mis-translated. De Trinitate also references this verse many times word-for-word. Now no doctrinal verse in the Bible will stand alone, so are there any other verses that say that Jesus is God? Yes! The following verses prove Jesus is God: *I John **5:20* “And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, _even_ in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.” *Zechariah 12:1 and 10* “The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, *saith the LORD,* which stretcheth forth the heavens... And I will pour upon the house of David [the Jews], and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me *whom they have pierced,* and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.” This word “LORD” in Hebrew is יהוה (“Yehôvâh”); the same as “Jehovah,” which we all know is God. Problem: The Jews pierced the hands and feet of _Jesus,_ so how does that work out unless Jehovah is Jesus? Well, what does “Jesus” (Heb. origin-“Yeshua”) mean? “Jehovah saves.” *Isaiah 9:6* “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, *The mighty God,* The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” You said that this says “mighty God,” but not the “Almighty God.” Consider then *Revelation 1:8* “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, *the Almighty.”* *Revelation 21:6-7* “And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and *I will be his God,* and he shall be my son.” *Hebrews 1:1 and 8* “GOD, who... spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, But unto the Son _he saith,_ Thy throne, *O God,* _is_ for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness _is_ the sceptre of thy kingdom.” By now it should be very clear that Jesus is God.

[@byronofcalgary6985]

Arius tried to deny Jesus was God - Early Church got mad - Constantine orderd a thorough debate among scholars - Arius lost - Constantine "imposed" Trinity Doctrine on a Trinitarian Early Church - WT changes that historical fact - WT Imposes their Doctrine without Scholars or Debate -agreed ? ?

[@adelaleek7097]

That’s true son of GOD ! Jehovah means causes to be come we’re call Jehovah God ! Jesus have name every body having name so Also Jehovah !

[@Artlover4life]

The dogma that Constantine championed was intended to put an end to dissensions within the fourth-century Church. However, it actually raised another issue: Was Mary, the woman who bore Jesus, “the Mother of God?

[@okellodanielojara6183]

Yes 100% she is the mother of God. Because the very Jesus Christ she bore is God.

[@notsoscared4943]

You laughed and ridiculed J.W. Did I miss where you compassionately and loving showed your understanding towards them. I saw nothing other than you being puffed up with pride. I'm sure Our Lord would be really proud of you .

[@zollsm6386]

Notsoscared People hate Jehovah's Witnesses because not only their right, they are actually preaching. The opponents of the faith do not like the idea of preaching to the nation in a suit or dress thus going the lazy route yelling at people qnd hope they come to the church to praise God - oh wait, they worship Jesus instead of God, teaching the Trinity.

[@martinarnold5411]

It all comes down to 1Cor 11.3 says the head of the woman is man in turn the head of man is the Christ in turn the head the Christ issss-God. This is a principle that means u can't change it and can't debate it ,all scriptures have to fit that principle. Fact. And if the holy spirit was a God head would have to be in this verse.

[@j.wat.3437]

Sounds like you nailed it!

[@ea-tr1jh]

You know what "head" actually means, right? It doesn't disprove the Trinitarian position at all.

[@j.wat.3437]

@@ea-tr1jh look I'm serious, and I don't have time to play with you guys. Do not start with me about. Head and son. That's an insult. You tell me what it is. Cause when I start asking the questions you'll just run like the rest of your trins. And please I've heard it all. And I know the selection of John scriptures that you pick and don't pay. I know the Jesus would have said and corrected him scriptures, and Thomas and Philip theories. Saying something like " that doesn't disprove " is very weak. That can be said about a number of things. Teaching the truth is not based on what was not said. It's what was said and done. Jesus didn't say a lot of things. But I'm more interested in what he said and did. You cannot follow the Leader on theories, creed guessing and unscriptual terms. When you follow the Leader you know and trust him. Just go in on someone else. You will not like me.

[@ea-tr1jh]

@@j.wat.3437 What I'm saying is that the point of the original comment was to use Ephesians 5 to try to disprove the Deity of Christ, but he/she failed in doing so because God being the head of Christ doesn't contradict with the doctrine of the Trinity. His comment was in vain.

[@j.wat.3437]

@@ea-tr1jh does the man being the head of the woman, or Jesus being the head of man means just what's said! Jesus is headship of the Christian Congregation are they part of trinity with Jesus? Not sure of what you're saying. Understanding the " little book " from God is knowing the context the surrounding text. I meditate on not what the text disprove but on what it proves. Even though that letter is talking about actions with inside the congregation. I see her point. It shows that Jesus has a head. That's simple but it does disprove the Trinity doctrine. Headship is a beautiful thing when done like Jehovah over Jesus and Jesus over the men in the congregation. The headship over the women should be done lovingly. Knowing what Trinitarians teach shows that God and Jesus are not part of it.

[@newlifemovingon374]

the bible does not teach the trinity and if "god" and Jesus are the same? then who is Jesus praying to talking to when hes?dying also why does jesus state that NOT even him he knows the day nor the hour he which HIS father is coming ...

[@romans1614]

bren McKinley , As a former Jdub, I used to argue your same point. I think anyone would agree that the "word" trinity is not in the bible. but, the word came in to be used in what the early church understood the bible to be saying. JWs are certainly not the only non-trinitariams, but just as trinity is not in the bible, neither is governing body or organization. I understand a JW would tell you they emulate the Jerusalem Council, but that's an argument to itself. the doctrine of the trinity goes a lot deeper than just your questions, which are fair questions. Some of your questions, some come out with heresies like Modalism. A good book just to understand the trinity from a trinitarian postion is The Forgotten Trinity by James White. You might not agree, but you'll have a good understanding of the doctrine.

[@chrismathew2295]

+Romans 16:1 'The Forgotten Trinity' by James White is already refuted by the Witness, 'George Kaplin' (search him up on KZbin.) Reading the Bible for yourself can prove unitarianism well in itself. All Trinitarians can bring up is a misinterpreted John 1:1 and, "it's a mystery." Also, worth pointing out that this video did nothing but prove that Jesus said, 'I am He' and that he existed before Abraham did. That's nowhere near proving he is the omnipotent Creator. You claim that we are heretical but I say that worship of three Gods hidden by linguistic sophistry is the heresy.

[@malcomjones2857]

bren McKinley the trinity is the greatest lie ever told . Don't let them confuse you because they don't understand it themselves. Listen to them talk.

[@alambalamb]

Was not Allah an idol in the Kaaba with all the other idols? Then M came along and got rid of all the other idols and kept one. The one called Allah linked to the moon god.

[@billyghawaii]

He is Super Natural

[@hamartian]

"in the Greek translation of the Old Testament it [the name Yahweh] turns into Jehovah" - what on earth are you talking about? What a joke! :D nice experts you've got there.. "Real Truth", haha :D

[@CaveCanem74]

www.gotquestions.org/YHWH-tetragrammaton.html Question: "What is YHWH? What is the tetragrammaton?" Answer: The ancient Hebrew language that the Old Testament was written in did not have vowels in its alphabet. In written form, ancient Hebrew was a consonant-only language. In the original Hebrew, God’s name transliterates to YHWH (sometimes written in the older style as YHVH). This is known as the tetragrammaton (meaning “four letters”). Because of the lack of vowels, Bible scholars debate how the tetragrammaton YHWH was pronounced. The tetragrammaton consists of four Hebrew letters: yodh, he, waw, and then he repeated. Some versions of the Bible translate the tetragrammaton as “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”; most translate it as “LORD” (all capital letters). Contrary to what some Christians believe (and at least one cult), Jehovah is not the Divine Name revealed to Israel. The name Jehovah is a product of mixing different words and different alphabets of different languages. Due to a fear of accidentally taking God’s name in vain (Leviticus 24:16), the Jews basically quit saying it out loud altogether. Instead, when reading Scripture aloud, the Jews substituted the tetragrammaton YHWH with the word Adonai (“Lord”). Even in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Old Testament), the translators substituted Kurios (“Lord”) for the Divine Name. Eventually, the vowels from Adonai (“Lord”) or Elohim (“God”) found their way in between the consonants of YHWH, thus forming YaHWeH. But this interpolation of vowels does not mean that was how God’s name was originally pronounced. In fact, we aren’t entirely sure if YHWH should have two syllables or three. Any number of vowel sounds can be inserted within YHWH, and Jewish scholars are as uncertain of the real pronunciation as Christian scholars are. Jehovah is actually a much later (probably 16th-century) variant. The word Jehovah comes from a three-syllable version of YHWH, YeHoWeH. The Y was replaced with a J (although Hebrew does not even have a J sound) and the W with a V, plus the extra vowel in the middle, resulting in JeHoVaH. These vowels are the abbreviated forms of the imperfect tense, the participial form, and the perfect tense of the Hebrew being verb (English is)-thus the meaning of Jehovah could be understood as “He who will be, is, and has been.” So, what is God’s Name, and what does it mean? The most likely choice for how the tetragrammaton was pronounced is “YAH-way,” “YAH-weh,” or something similar. The name Yahweh refers to God’s self-existence. Yahweh is linked to how God described Himself in Exodus 3:14, “God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: “I AM has sent me to you.”’” God’s name is a reflection of His being. God is the only self-existent or self-sufficient Being. Only God has life in and of Himself. That is the essential meaning of the tetragrammaton, YHWH.

[@CD-lw6fl]

Perhaps the NWT is a translation that restored proper text.

[@yt5mh7kn6d]

They have changed their own bible after getting busted.

[@jahtruthdefender]

@@yt5mh7kn6d How about presenting one claim and supporting evidence

[@jamesritter5078]

I don't know how well-developed your imagination is, but I will suggest that the chances of the NWT being shown to be "restored proper text" are smaller than you can imagine, considering the "credentials" of those who invented it, the text itself, and the reviews of it by actual translation scholars.

[@jahtruthdefender]

Whomever Ritter is talking to should ask him the same question. Ritter is far from correct on numerous issues and this is yet another. Trinitarians *have to change* standard word definitions otherwise it falls apart. Look at Ritter's choice of word "invented" Can Ritter really substantiate his assertion the NWT is product of invention, meaning to create or devise something new, typically something that has not existed before. It involves coming up with original ideas, concepts, devices, or processes. *No*

[@rocedfighter5373]

MARK 13:6 "Many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and will mislead many". BE CAREFUL MY FRIENDS

[@jajeisi]

“I am Christ”: Many false prophets will come forward claiming to be messiahs and deliverers, offering themselves as the solution to the world’s problems. Some will even claim to be Christ Himself. The number of false christ’s will increase as the end nears (Matt. 24:23-24). This is referring to FALSE PROPHETS WHOM WILL CLAIM TO BE GOD CHRIST MESSIAH THIS DOES NOT IMPLY THAT JESUS IS NOT GOD IN THE FLESH

[@mikeandrews1137]

He prays to himself? Also, through out the bible it's perfectly clear that he's the son and God's the father. I'm kinda new at religion.

[@mikefj2004]

So how do you explain Matt 16:16 when Peter himself said in response to Jesus question, You are the Christ, the SON of the living God. How does one explain John 14:28 …”the Father is greater than I.” If Jesus is God, who is this greater Father that he is referring to? Further, who is he praying to in the garden of Gethsemane? Please answer cause I’m confused.

[@jamesritter5078]

Hi, Mike. In terms of Who Christ is, I would refer you to some basic Scriptures that show that. Verses like John 1:1 and 1:18. Please note something very important: The JW "Bible", the NWT is not correct in how it renders John 1:1. In terms of John 14:28, that is understood to be a statement of Christ's role as the Son, and His being submissive to the Father. If you go to other verses in John 14, you find verses that show us Who Christ IS: In John 14:1, Christ equates having faith in Him with having faith in God. And here is something VERY significant: Here is John 14:8-9: 8 Philip said to him: “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9 Jesus said to him: “Even after I have been with you men for such a long time, Philip, have you not come to know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How is it you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Question: Who is "the Father"? What/Who is being referred to by that phrase? Obvious Answer: God Himself. Considering the context of who and what Philip is - a Jew - There is no other honest way to understand the phrase in Philip's request. This is not refutable. Jesus, knowing full well who and what Philip is and the only possible meaning to his request, straightforwardly tells Philip, "If you've seen Me, you've seen Him. If you've seen me, you've seen God Himself." There is no other honest way to take that answer. Jesus Christ openly declares that seeing Him = Seeing God Himself. JWs say that Jesus is Michael the archangel. No, that doesn't work, and it doesn't work BIG TIME. Here's why that's true: Michael's name means "Who Is Like God?" Obvious answer: NO ONE. There is NO way that Michael would have made the claim for himself that Jesus makes in verse 9. He would have been... a) going directly against the meaning of his own name, and b) committing blasphemy. Add to this the fact that there is no verse in the Bible that states that Jesus is really Michael. Add to this the fact that the Father openly and directly calls the Son “God” in Heb. 1:8 And there are plenty of other Scriptures that show and prove the Deity of Christ.

[@SmalltimR]

Your questions and concerns are warranted. We live in a world where the truth is under constant attack as a result of the influence of the father of lies. With that said and quite obviously, Jesus is exactly who He Himself claimed to be - that is to say, the Son of GOD and prophesied Messiah sent to earth to redeem mankind from sin. Though as you yourself outlined, there is much controversy surrounding the obvious nature of Jesus' identity - though if there's one thing we can be sure of, it's that Jesus was not mincing words and tricking anyone when claiming to be the Son of GOD, and who it is we must believe-in in order to be saved; *_You made him a little lower than the angels._*_ You crowned him with glory and honor_ - Hebrews 2.7 ​ _Behold, a voice out of the heavens said, _*_"This is my beloved Son,_*_ with whom I am well pleased"_ - Matthew 3.17 ​ _do you say of him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You blaspheme,' _*_because I said, 'I am the Son of God?'_* - John 10.36 ​ _I said therefore to you that you will die in your sins; for _*_unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins"_* - John 8.24 ​ _but these are written, _*_that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God,_*_ and that believing you may have life in his name_ - John 20.31 ​ *_One who believes in the Son has eternal life,_*_ but one who disobeys the Son won't see life, but the wrath of God remains on him"_ - John 3.36 ​ _The Jews answered him, "We have a law, and by our law _*_he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God"_* - John 19.7 ​ _Now the centurion, and _*_those who were with him watching_*_ Jesus, when they saw the earthquake, and the things that were done, _*_feared exceedingly, saying, "Truly this was the Son of God"_* - Matthew 27.54

[@johnbee1069]

Jesus did not worship a triune god Jesus did not teach of a triune god Jesus did not preach of such a god There is no triune god declared anywhere in the Bible There are no records of anyone worshiping such a god in all of Bible history There are no teachings of a triune god found anywhere in the Bible We can trust in the example given by Jesus Christ. False teachers and deceivers want to take that away from us.

[@tookie36]

Trinitarians will explain it by pointing to other parts of their bible and ignore the parts they dont like. Nice and easy

[@ripcord8738]

They can't explain it.

[@malcomjones2857]

Even though the the word trinity isn't in the Bible . That's should tell you it's not biblical.A perfect opening statement!

[@ingodwetrust7778]

The word “vote” isn't in the the Bible either. That doesn't mean the church shouldn't vote a member into the office of treasury, usher, etc., because the Bible says they elected people, and the church members “gave forth their lots, and the lot fell on Matthias.” Just because the word “vote” doesn't appear here doesn't mean they didn't vote, as the old term “cast lots” means to gamble (a sin) or vote (not a sin). Likewise, the word “Trinity” doesn't appear in the Bible, but that doesn't mean it's not explained. A Hebrew name for God is ’elôhyîm, a Hebrew plural (3+).

[@TheCaledonianBoy]

In God We Trust I agree. That the word trinity is not in the Bible is irrelevant. This is not a good argument. The fact that the Bible does not teach a 3 person God is more to the point. The Hebrew "elohim" is accompanied by single personal pronouns making it a single God. "Elohim" is the same word used for pagan gods mentioned in scripture who were definitely not viewed as plural gods. Dagon, Ashtoreth, Milcom are all singular gods. The Jews, whose language this is did not view God as a plural trinity.

[@j.wat.3437]

Does that mean that if you say the word trinity you are biblical?

[@MrMore470]

Ok, so far I've learned, be a student of God's word, be prepared, follow Christ, love people. Like Jehovah's Witnesses. Thanks for the encouragement! This video was nice, you seem like caring people. I appreciate that. That's what it's about, love and truth. I'd love to knock on your door, it would be a fun chat.

[@moisesbeyond]

Do you know what is the fallacy of false dilema?....suggesting that there is only two options or Jesus was merely a human or He was the God almghty and also son of God almighy basically Jesus is his own father is a flase dilema....but JWs have a third option found in the bible extremely logical ...Jesus been the human name given to the Angel of the Lord we see thruough the bible and later revealed been Michael the great prince depicted in Daniel 12:1-2, read the OT complete and you will learn that angels are sons of God almighty (Job 1:6 and2:1) also they are called gods in Psalms 82:1-6,also will see the most powerful angel doing things and when you reach to the NT then the last book Revelation will make you head explote due to how many times Jesus is depicted as the most powerful angel or Son of God almighty

[@Artlover4life]

Jesus also said: “I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative; just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me.” (John 5:30) When Jesus was on the torture stake, he prayed to the great Creator in the heavens, addressing him as “My God, my God.” (Matthew 27:46) After his resurrection, Jesus told Mary Magdalene: “I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.” (John 20:1, 17) Since Jesus Christ was not God incarnate, no one who saw Jesus could say that he had thus seen God. John, the apostle whom Jesus especially loved, confirmed the fact that the apostles were not seeing God when they looked at Jesus. Under inspiration John said: “No man has seen God at any time.” (John 1:18)

[@watchman865]

@@jesusp4620 Ever heard the expression "He's a chip off the old block."? What does Hebrews 1:3 say about Jesus? "He is the reflection of God's glory, and the exact representation of His very being..." Yes, because Jesus perfectly imitated his Father, and showed God's qualities, he could say "If you've seen me, you've seen the Father also." This is not Jesus claiming to be God, but Jesus telling his disciples that if they want to get to know God, they can learn everything about Him by seeing how Jesus acts.

[@Episcopalianacolyte]

@@watchman865 no. JESUS was murdered for saying that HE is GOD. The video explains that. Get away from what you are taught about what we believe because it isn't the truth. We don't believe in three Jehovah's. We only believe in one GOD. JESUS isn't separate from GOD.

[@dadaolujare6940]

Yet Jesus, The Word, was God. Being the Son of God establishes what rank He holds in the Godhead and I think that is the missing piece in the explanation you have given. Once you realize that He is the Only Begotten Son of God, implying He is the Only One with the same Essence as God the Father, you can easily reconcile why Jesus is subservient to the Father; because He is a perfect Son.

[@dadaolujare6940]

@@watchman865 Being a chip off the old block does not mean you mirror the "block" perfectly. Jesus literally does that. It is not possible for a created being to reflect the perfection and the attributes of a Timeless Being. It is not even possible for a created being to reflect perfectly, the attributes of another created being who is just as finite. You have to be in the person's heart to really reflect the person's attributes perfectly. I, therefore, submit to you that the only way Jesus could have mirrored God to perfection is that He is of the same Essence as God the Father, and behold, the Bible tells us this when John wrote that Jesus is the ONLY Begotten Son of God. God cannot beget anything less than His own Essence. Just like a lion cannot beget a goat. Hebrews 1 that you quoted also made clear that Jesus made the world (verse 2) and is by His power that all things are upheld (verse 3). Genesis 1 makes it abundantly clear, that God made the earth and only God was there at the beginning.

[@Artlover4life]

@@dadaolujare6940 you do realize how many times in that paragraph you contradicted yourself don't you?

[@777Tralfaz777]

At 1:20, the man said "if you get the trinity wrong, you are not a "biblical Christian". Ironically, neither the word trinity, nor it's explicit doctrine is found in the Bible. Please read John 17:3, and tell me who Jesus was referring to as the "only true God"? The man then references Matt 16:15, as to Jesus' clear identity. Let's read that and see if the disciples thought Jesus was God? Matt 16:15 He said to them: “You, though, who do you say I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” This is what Jehovah's Witnesses believe.

[@AndyRhodes1]

William Wilberforce (1759-1833), the famous British abolitionist and Christian, is often brought up as an example of Christianity producing a movement against slavery. The main problem with this view is that nearly everyone in Europe and America was a Christian, the vast majority of whom were not against the practice. A very tiny amount of believers had opposed slavery in the 1500 years that Christianity had dominated Europe since the Emperor Constantine made this religion legal within the Roman Empire in 313 CE/AD. In the late 1700s and early 1800s, European abolitionists learned that biblical passages did not help their cause. They eventually began primarily using secular arguments by necessity. One major reason that it took Wilberforce 46 years to convince his countrymen to complete the abolition process in the British Empire was because a huge percentage of the clergy, government leadership, and the general public stood firmly on the view that slavery and racial inequality were natural, culturally normative, and biblical. Along with their Christian ancestors for hundreds of years that created and sustained New World colonial slavery with biblical justifications, the conservatives in Britain and America were among the main forces that resisted 18th and 19th century abolition laws. During Wilberforce’s sustained and rigorous efforts, it took 20 years (1787-1807) to get the slave trade legally ended and another 26 years (1807-1833) to make slavery itself illegal. Why would God provide such a misleading revelation? Or, in this case, is it more accurate to say that modern Christians developed a more heightened humanitarian sensibility because of the rise of Enlightenment humanism?

[@rolandocantu6736]

Justin Martyr, who died about 165 C.E., called the prehuman Jesus a created angel who is “other than the God who made all things.” He said that Jesus was inferior to God and “never did anything except what the Creator . . . willed him to do and say.” Irenaeus, who died about 200 C.E., said that the prehuman Jesus had a separate existence from God and was inferior to him. He showed that Jesus is not equal to the “One true and only God,” who is “supreme over all, and besides whom there is no other.”

[@shawnlauderdale6502]

Wonderful councilor, prince of peace, almighty God, everlasting Father! 1 John 5:7-8 there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father the Word and the Holy Ghost and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the blood the water and the spirit and these three believe in one. When you see me, you see the Father. I and my Father are one. Before Abraham was I am.

[@ralbertjohnson7671]

No witness will tell u that Jesus christ is not not God what is said is that he is not the almighty God and that one is greater than him he told his disciples my father is greater than I am .

[@jamesritter5078]

JWs have a false, unbiblical Christ, and a false, unbiblical way of salvation and multiple other falsehoods. When it comes to Christ, the Bible declares in Hebrews 1:3 that everything the Father is, the Son is - There's nothing missing.

[@ashleynicole6869]

Growing up as a Jehovah’s Witness who has since disassociated myself, I can tell you what you believe them to believe isn’t entirely true. They don’t believe in reincarnation at all so that’s false. They simply believe the Jehovah is God, and Jesus is the son of God born to the Virgin Mary and Joseph. But they do believe that Jesus is not God, he is simply the son of God and they follow the example of Christ. I didn’t disassociate myself due to the religious beliefs, I disassociated myself due to the practice of disfellowshipping. I believe that it is wrong. This is just something you cannot speak on truthfully if you’ve never experienced it.

[@byronofcalgary6985]

thx for sharing... don't JWs believe the Crucified Body was destroyed in the Tomb and a new body was materialized ? which is what Thomas and others saw ? You can look it up at JW.org if you search "crucified body" . End verses of Matthew explain attempts by bad guys to destroy belief in a Resurrected Body... and start beliefs in a stolen body as an explanation for an empty tomb. Today, WT denies the Resurrection of the body, and does claim an event that can be described as reincarnation of the Spirit.

[@olmeckrav]

Do you still believe some of their doctrines?

[@ashleynicole6869]

@@olmeckrav not really to be honest. The doctrine seemed to just keep people in line rather than actually give them a good life.

[@olmeckrav]

@@ashleynicole6869 Good for you. Nothing they teach is true. I was one of them until I was 38 then I actually started serious research and it all crumbled down. So I left. Now my own family shuns me but I’m free from JW control so I’m very happy. I asked because it’s sad to see those that left and still believe the lies. Thankfully you’re not one of them.

[@jamesritter5078]

@@ashleynicole6869 - Thank you for sharing. You are 100% correct - JW's are controlled thralls to the Watchtower organization. They dance to whatever doctrinal tune the Society dictates to them; they have no ability to challenge or disagree with the Society. It is not an understatement at all to see them as a fearful and trapped people, spiritually. I personally knew a JW who didn't and doesn't believe what the Watchtower says/teaches, but he's kept quiet about it for fear of losing his family. The Watchtower Society emotionally blackmails people - "You believe and follow what we say, or else."

[@jw4life444]

John 20:17, Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. THIS SCRIPTURE IS PROOF JESUS IS NOT GOD.

[@gutadin5]

Iglesia ni Cristo 1914 of the Philippines also denies the deity of Christ and the trinity, they have many churches in the US every State and in Canada, they claim they are the true church on earth and way of salvation.

[@bobtiemersma9517]

Peter gave us an example when he said "Some say Elijah. Others say John the Baptist.",

[@grahammewburn]

We have one God the Father and One Lord Jesus Christ 1 Corinthians 8:6

[@gmzgmz3727]

The Bible never says trinity once in the Bible

[@jamesritter5078]

The word "Bible" is never found in the Bible. The words "omnipotence", "omniscience", "omnipresent" are not found in the Bible The word "monotheism" is not found in the Bible. The words "God's theocratic organization" aren't found in the Bible. Do you see how silly your argument is?

[@soundsgood5314]

If I were atheist or non religious and didn't know anything about religion and then I picked up a Bible and read it from front to back, It would be impossible for me to come away with the conclusion that God is a trinity. Wouldn't even cross my mind.

[@olmeckrav]

Andre --that’s just means your intellect is limited. 😆

[@soundsgood5314]

Maximus Octavius “that’s just means your intellect is limited”. You mean “that”. Dummy

[@olmeckrav]

Andre Yes, thank you correcting my grammar. Don’t blame your shortcomings on the Bible that’s what I’m trying to say.

[@johnthreesixteen316]

NWT Isaiah 9:6 "For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace."

[@johnthreesixteen316]

@lary Snw NWT Isaiah 9:6 "For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace."

[@jamesritter5078]

@lary Snw - Jesus openly and directly told Philip that seeing Him = seeing God Himself in John 14:9.

[@moisesbeyond]

@@jamesritter5078 then why he didnt die? no one can see God and live

[@jamesritter5078]

@@moisesbeyond Because no sinful human being can stand in the full totality of God's holiness and glory and live. We would be utterly consumed.

[@jw4life400]

The Bible says that God is greater than Jesus ‘My Father is greater than I’ (John 14:28) ‘My father is greater than all.’ (John 10:29)

[@ingodwetrust7778]

Well, you have to know _why_ he said that, otherwise you risk taking the verse out of context. Remember, the Bible says that Jesus _was_ equal with God, *_but_* because of his love for you and I, he willingly took on the form of man and his place, and was made “a little lower than the angels.” Remember, man is not, and never will be, equal with God. So when Jesus, being equal with God, took on the form of man, he made himself lower than the Father, making the Father “greater than him.” “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, *being in the form of God,* thought it not robbery to be *equal with God:* But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.” -Philipians 2:5-8 “For thou hast made him [Jesus] a little lower than the angels...” -Psalm 8:5 *“...[Jesus] said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.”* _John __5:18_

[@shaofdoubt5267]

In God We Trust Form of God means Image of God. That same verse Jesus did not take plunder of Deity, please read into the manuscripts and not confuse the verses. We have oldest sources for a reason, therefore, the other guy is right.

[@shaofdoubt5267]

As for John 5 verse 18, look at the cross references and then read verse 19 and onward.

[@ingodwetrust7778]

What do you consider to be the oldest and most reliable source?

[@shaofdoubt5267]

In God We Trust There is only one of 4th century origin. You do not know what Bible come from by means of writing, comrade? Coptic text is another but we talking of Greek source. One thing certain my friend, it is not the Comma Joannine and or Textus Receptus, which is 16th century but contain uninspired. It is not about considering what it is because it actually is source where Bible base off of and the word of God survive from it. Muslims in the EU tend to challenge people on this, to us Russians we know this because of Bible history, but in Russia now Bible seem unwelcoming to people.

[@takirid]

I have been: The opposing Jews wanted to stone Jesus for claiming that he had “seen Abraham,” although, as they said, Jesus was “not yet 50 years old.” (Joh 8:57) Jesus’ response was to tell them about his prehuman existence as a mighty spirit creature in heaven before Abraham was born. Some claim that this verse identifies Jesus with God. They argue that the Greek expression used here, e·goʹ ei·miʹ (rendered “I am” in some Bibles), is an allusion to the Septuagint rendering of Ex 3:14 and that both verses should be rendered the same way. (SeeJoh 4:26.) In this context, however, the action expressed by the Greek verb ei·miʹ started “before Abraham came into existence” and was still in progress. It is therefore properly translated “I have been” rather than “I am,” and a number of ancient and modern translations use wording similar to “I have been.” In fact, at Joh 14:9, the same form of the Greek verb ei·miʹ is used to render Jesus’ words: “Even after I have been with you men for such a long time, Philip, have you not come to know me?” Most translations use a similar wording, showing that depending on context there is no valid grammatical objection to rendering ei·miʹ as “have been.” (Other examples of rendering a present tense Greek verb using a present perfect tense verb are found at Lu 2:48; 13:7; 15:29; Joh 1:9; 5:6; 15:27; Ac 15:21; 2Co 12:19; 1Jo 3:8.) Also, Jesus’ reasoning recorded at Joh 8:54, 55 shows that he was not trying to portray himself as being the same person as his Father. Pr 8:22, Joh 1:1, Joh 17:5, Php 2:6, 7, Col 1:15-17. Want to know more go to JW.ORG.

[@azukarzuchastux8066]

Hosea 13:4 “But I have been the Lord your God ever since you came out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but me, no Savior except me.

[@jazzbassf]

@Johnny Dark yes Jehovah God is the only savior through his Son Jesus Christ. John 3:16 God sent his only begotten Son...2 saviors Rev 7:10 And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God,(A) who sits on the throne,(B) and to the Lamb.”NIV..2 saviors Jehovah through his Son the Lamb

[@dadaolujare6940]

@@jazzbassf So when I see God the Father, can I say He did not save me, but His Son saved me instead? Because you might say God saved you through His Son, the Lamb but I say only His Son saved me since He was the one that died for me. I say this because it is not clear to me how you reconcile this 2-savior approach you have come up with the Hosea verse which clearly states that only God, singular, is the Savior. God says He is the Only Savior, but here you are saying there are 2 saviors.

[@jazzbassf]

@@dadaolujare6940 both the Father and his son are my savior Rev 7:10 " New International Version And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.” why do church people always God the Father out if our salvation?

[@dadaolujare6940]

@@jazzbassf We don't. When we say Jesus is our Savior, we mean God is our Savior. They are not two Gods, they are One God and 3 persons. That is my point. But I realize that you may not agree with my assessment, but I can see from your response that you are a brother in Christ. God bless you, take care of yourself.

[@johnc.8298]

A well written "warning tract" distributed during a "neighborhood pamphlet blitz" would work wonders to prevent further recruits to the Watchtower organization. As the old adage says, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

[@TheCaledonianBoy]

John C. I doubt that. It would just create more talking points in which the JWs would have the upper hand as they have a better understanding of God's truth.

[@jamesritter5078]

You can find such a warning tract at CARM.org

[@jamesritter5078]

@@TheCaledonianBoy - Actually, JWs do not have a better understanding of God's truth. Oh, they know the nonsense put out by the WTS - They're a programmed people. But when it comes to a real, actual HONEST study of the Bible, they fail miserably. A very familiar scenario is that of asking a question of a JW that they don't have the programmed response to. They immediately look at the time and say they have an appointment elsewhere and flee.

[@TheCaledonianBoy]

@@jamesritter5078 Is this your experience or are you merely repeating what you have heard? Can you provide an example of a non "programmed response" in which you feel would cause the JW to flee?

[@jamesritter5078]

@@TheCaledonianBoy - What I've written is based on both my multiple experiences with JWs, and is also backed up by the official writings of the JW masters. JWs are indeed a programmed people - They are told in no uncertain terms in their literature that they are not to read the Bible for themselves; they MUST use the WTS literature. JWs are a controlled people. It is not an understatement to see them as being thralls to the WTS. In terms of a non-programmed response - Yes, I can provide an example that causes JWs to flee: Even the NWT itself, shows that Jesus Christ is God come in the flesh. Go to John 14:8-9. Philip makes a direct request of Jesus: "Show us the Father" Okay - Who is Philip asking to see? Who is meant by the phrase "the Father"? God Himself. Considering the context of who Philip is (a Jew), there is no other way to understand that. None. Look at the response Jesus gives in verse 9. "If you've seen Me, you've seen the Father." Using the context of who Philip is, and only meaning possible for the phrase "the Father", Jesus answers and directly tells Philip: "If you've seen Me, you've seen Him. If you've seen Me, you've seen God Himself." I have pointed this exchange and the irrefutable meaning of it out to JWs many, many times. There is (currently) no programmed response to this exchange....although I won't be surprised if, the next time the NWT is "revised", the verse is changed in some way in order to pervert it. Anyway, for the present time, every single time I have asked a JW to look at and interact with what that exchange is openly, clearly pointing to, they have never once honestly engaged with it to the slightest degree, and have instead run away to another verse, or changed the subject or literally, physically fled.

[@Artlover4life]

Moses once expressed the desire to see God. At Exodus 33:18-20, we read: “‘Cause me [Moses] to see, please, your glory.’ But he [God] said: ‘I myself shall cause all my goodness to pass before your face, and I will declare the name of Jehovah before you; and I will favor the one whom I may favor, and I will show mercy to the one to whom I may show mercy.’ And he added: ‘You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live.’”

[@byronofcalgary6985]

thx .. someone just quoted Job 19:26 in a vid so I went to the text for context and found Job 19:25 ...a living redeemer in the OT who will be on earth at the end

[@YehovaSapavovt.HolyOneOfIsraeL]

who is he to speak and have his words fulfilled, If The YEHOVA ELoHIM HAS Not Commanded? ~ Lamentations Jeremiah 3:37 HIS NOT: lord god mod jesus mesus: They Will Call On MY NAME, And I Will ANSWER Them: I Will Say, ‘They Are MY People,’ And They Will Say, The YEHOVA Is Our ELoHIM. ~ Zechariah 13:9 HIS Name Is “YEHOVA SAPAVOVT:” HIS ELoHIM The Most HigH Our Mighty Creator: Glory To The Alpha And Omega: Glory In The Highest Our ELoHIM And Savior: Glory To The Lion Of Judah: Praise YAH, YEHOVA, HalleluYAH: Moreover Most HigH Said To Moses, “ Thus You Shall Say To The Children Of Israel: ‘ The YEHOVA ELoHIM Of Your Fathers, The ELoHIM Of Abraham, The ELoHIM Of Isaac, And The ELoHIM Of Jacob, Has Sent Me To You. This Is MY NAME Forever, And This Is MY Memorial To All Generations. ~ Exodus 3:15 Because He Has Affection For ME, I Will Rescue Him. I Will Protect Him Because He Knows MY NAME. ~ Psalm 91:14 The Wise Will See YOUR NAME; ~ Micah 6:9 Be Proud Of HIS HOLY NAME: ~ Psalm 105:3 “You Must Not Take Up The Name Of YEHOVA Your EloHIM In A Worthless Way, For YEHOVA Will Not Leave Unpunished The One Who Takes Up HIS Name In A Worthless Way.” ~ Exodus 20:7 I Have Been "YEHOVA" Your CreatoR Ever Since The Land Of Egypt; You Know No CreatoR But ME, And No SavioR Exists Besides ME. ~ Hosea 13:4 And Everyone Who Calls On The Name Of YEHOVA Will Be Saved.”’ ~ Acts 2:21 There Is No One Who Calls YOUR NAME; To Wake Up And Find Strength In YOU. ~ Isaiah 64:7 YEHOVA Is The Same Forever: ELOHIM NAME Can’t Translated: >Names Never Translate. Your Name Is The Same In Every Language In The World.

[@jerryeasler440]

The Bible verse that refers to Jesus Christ as God's "only begotten Son" is John 3:16, which says, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life". The Greek word translated as "only begotten" is also used in John 1:14 and 18, which also refer to Jesus as the "only begotten of the Father" and the "only begotten Son". ( Jesus was the only angel directly created by Jehovah , and then through Jesus everything else was created. ) Where Jehovah has never had a beginning , he always has been never created.

[@yt5mh7kn6d]

Who is the Creator? God. Gen. 2:1,2 Jesus Col. 1:15-17

[@jahtruthdefender]

@@yt5mh7kn6d That’s easy Gen it’s God the Father and Colossians it is also God the Father. Now I am waiting for your claim and supporting evidence

[@jamesritter5078]

I'm sorry Jerry, but you are quite wrong. Christ is not created nor is He an angel. Here's why that's true: NO angel would ever make the declaration that Christ makes for Himself in John 12:45. NO angel would ever tell people to believe in it the same as they do in God. But Christ does just that in John 14:1. NO angel would ever make the declaration Christ makes for Himself in John 14:7-9. Michael would DEFINITELY NOT ever make these declarations. His name means "Who Is Like God?" Obvious answer: NO ONE. If Michael had made those declarations, he would be going against the meaning of his own name and committing blasphemy. NO angel would ever receive for itself the declaration of Thomas in John 20:28. NO angel has the same nature as God, as Paul states Christ does in Philippians 2:6. In NO angel does all the fullness of God reside, as Paul states in Colossians 2:9. Regarding the word "begotten" - The word "begotten" means "one and only", "one of a kind", "unique". (Even Wikipedia acknowledges this.) Bible scholar Michael S. Heiser writes, "[Monogenēs] doesn’t mean “only begotten” in some sort of “birthing” sense. The confusion extends from an old misunderstanding of the root of the Greek word. For years monogenes was thought to have derived from two Greek terms mono (“only”) and gennaō (“to beget, bear”). Greek scholars later discovered that the second part of the word monogenes does not come from the Greek verb gennao but rather from the noun genos (“class” or “kind”). The term literally means “one of a kind” or “unique” without connotation of created origin." Heiser, The Unseen Realm: Rediscovering the Supernatural Worldview of the Bible (Bellingham WA: Lexham Press, 2015) This goes right along with the declaration of John 1:18.

[@jahtruthdefender]

As per usual Ritter's conclusions are just not supported by the text in his first part and the second is the deceptive measure a trinitarian has to take in order to push this unbiblical doctrine The Greek word "genes" is derived from "genos," and both can mean offspring and imply a temporal beginning Trinitarians attempt to escape this by saying the use of "monogenes" in the Greek scriptures, particularly in reference to Jesus, is traditionally understood in a way that emphasises his unique divine sonship and eternal relationship with the Father, rather than a temporal origin. This interpretation arises from a trinitarian theological development to remove the temporal aspect necessary for the trinity doctrine. It can't have the bible showing Jesus had a beginning. Linguistics proves differently! Revelation 22:16 debunks Ritter's claims. It says "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." (KJB) Offspring (genos) is the same word Ritter asserts is only “class” or “kind” Ritter has been proven to be false.

[@jamesritter5078]

The majority of the post above is mere assertion and nothing more. In terms of the word "begotten" - I do not see any post anywhere, that even whispers the slightest suggestion of a hint that the author of the post above is in any way at all genuinely qualified at all to dispute with the source I quoted.

[@archangeljesus4369]

Jesus is a simple servant and John 13:16 proves it.

[@jamesritter5078]

Nope. You really need to read a LOT more of the Bible than that verse.

[@777Tralfaz777]

Yes. Nice verse. I like too Luke 6:40, which explain why Jesus is like Jehovah, and could perfectly represent Him.

[@smalltimer4370]

A servant no doubt, though I would not go as far as simple personally...

[@Contendthefaith2]

The true faith is still preserved in 1 Cor 8 v 6 Authorised King James and 1 Cor 11 v 3. 2 in creation and out new creation. We are the body of Christ the FULLNESS of Him who fills all in all - the COMMON faith he shared with Titus not the one commanded by Roman law 300 years after the apostles death. John concurs with Paul two on Genesis creation. Jesus'baptism 2 - not 3. John 3 v 34 to 35 then compare with John 14 v 10 and John 17 v 7 to 8. Great Commission about delegation Father to Son given EXOUSIA over all flesh - Fathers name v11 and OWN SELF v 5 of John 17. Jesus is the Holy One Isaiah 54 v5 and Isaiah 12 V6 and Zec 2 v 10 and 11 and Isaiah 55 v5 - NOTE NANY NATIONS.

[@scepticskeptic1663]

4:42 sound like an excuse to me to avoid having a scriptural discussion something jesus didn't shy away from unless they were clearly not interested in truth

[@MoyChaMoy]

Exodus 6:3, Hebrews 1:1-4, Colossians 1:15. Now the word "Trinity" is not on the Bible

[@jamesritter5078]

The word "Bible" is not in the Bible. Neither are the words "omnipotent", "omniscient", "omnipresent", or "God's theocratic organization." Do you really want to stay with what is a rather silly argument from silence?