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[@Oli_Hudson]

Welcome back Mr Nagy! We've missed you!

[@tncorgi92]

Very professional, going thru after completion to make sure everything was picked up and cleaned up. The workmen I've hired always seem to leave debris and dirt behind. Sometimes they even leave tools.

[@johnjohn-cs9eu]

Agreed

[@ScottPankhurst]

our local elechickens seem to think you're not getting the full tradie experience unless there's a sprinkle of plaster dust and a few snips of copper left behind.

[@robertwhite4375]

You are right regards overload protective device location. Put very simply Reg 433.2.2ii allows up to 3m between protective device and reduction in current carrying capacity of the cable. Still need to be mindful of fault protection and thermal withstand (adiabatic) etc. for the reduced capacity length of cable before the over current device. Keep up the good work!

[@johnh10000]

Sir, being a former spark I sympathise. My wife and I live in a rented flat. A tenant moved out, and our agent, surprisingly organised a spark to the eirc in all of them, with the regs coming in April I think this year. He was great, being a former spark, knew what was involved. We offered him a coffee, beforehand, he declined. Job done in what an hour. With us sharing interesting stories to boot. We got a new nice metal with rcbos as there was a spare slot he split our two led fluorescent lights, nice touch as one was near to the board. We all had a great time. When it came time for the box swap, my wife and I deliberately choose to be out, so he could crack on. leaving him some biscuits and tea coffee, if he wanted some.

[@handyandy6050]

You'll definitely go up in the world when you get that Cherry Picker, Tom!

[@kylevertenten617]

Hi Tom. As an electrician working in a local municipality in a city in South Africa I find your videos very informative and highly entertaining. Keep it up!!

[@EruElectrics]

My favourite complain from a (student) tenant: He came in and woke us up with his drilling 😂

[@rsp6549]

The answer is, just cut the power without asking. Then apologize as profusely as necessary.

[@ScottPankhurst]

power goes off or charge a service fee and leave.

[@richardwesson9651]

Had the same recently, I’ve been rewiring/ adding to existing on a kitchen. Parents working from home and homeschooling children. Children after 3:30pm addicting to playing their Xbox. Physical screaming constant when the power gets turned off. Disabled child also has a stair lift and uses it almost every 20-30 minutes. All connections/ joints had to be done through a 4 inch hole in the ceiling of the kitchen (floors upstairs were laminate). Had around 6-7 connections to make. Mentioned after first fixing (3 days prior) that when I come back that the power will need to go off for connections and testing, would be off for roughly 2-3 hours. Kitchen sockets one side of an rcd, ovens/ hob on another side. Downstairs lights also as I was installing spotlights. Every time I’d be cutting cables it would be turning power off/ cutting the internet off. Explained it was not possible for me to do any connections without cutting cables. I was then hit with the ‘oh... are you not able to do it with the power on?’ I get that it’s stressful for people working from home but they should try working around people working from home. Everything you do is an inconvenience to them, children screaming constantly etc. Like you said, if they’ve booked a meeting in it’s their problem. Yes you take it into consideration and try and be as reasonable as possible but it has got to the point now where like others have mentioned in the comments that I am there to do a job. If I was to tell them that me working around their phone calls 5x a day and video meetings added 2 hours labour onto the job then they’d soon question it. It’s frustrating to say the least. But it is what it is, this is probably the new norm from now on and we’ve just got to get on with it

[@alsanova]

Wow.... I hope you were wearing earmuff or something. That must be deafening?! Oh dear oh dear!

[@lewistempleman9752]

100% this is my life now

[@dougsaunders8109]

How about tell the agent if the tenant will not let you turn the power off, they will be billed for a second EICR, or failed visit. If the tenant has to pay your bill, might be more cooperative BTW the 25mm tails means the flat owner can charge there Tesla out of the window 😁

[@hannahranga]

Having been the tenant in that situation the LL/PM didn't bother to inform me that the sparky would be needing to turn the power off. Now it wasn't an issue plus I had a feeling that it was going to happen but if I'd been working from home they'd be getting told to take that up with the PM and come back when when they've given me notice.

[@alexsidorov8899]

You've got to be careful with chucking that tufbook like that you might break the table!

[@theVEFFA]

Unironically yes, if there is as much as a scratch on the table once youre done its on you

[@Andrew-dp5kf]

I thought it was a mite near the phone charging away...

[@msn164]

“It IS level! All of this is on the piss” sounds like it’d make a good t-shirt slogan 🤣

[@secretsix6]

i had a job once which i had to change the bulbs on a cooker hood when i got in to the property there was a strong smell of curry the chap answered the door an showed me to the kitchen an on the stove there was a big bowl of curry simmering away an all the steamy fat was dripping off the cooker hood my hands were stinking for days

[@muzikman2008]

Making me hungry pmsl 😂

[@tncorgi92]

@@muzikman2008 me too, I would have offered the guy a discount if he'd pour me a bowl.

[@Horizon301.]

Did you try washing your hands?

[@MartiA1973]

At 15:50 I'm sure I have watched one of your old YT's where you had empty stuffa glands with a kit of rubber inserts (stop sniggering at the back) shaped for different cable sizes and even T&E. Good to see you back. NOBODY does this stuff like Nagy.

[@alfacoro1984ify]

Love watch these videos I am an electrician we mainly do office block and office refurbishments and other commercial stuff. I think your channels is the most realistic and tells it like it is in the real world, all these KZbin electricians and Instagram people who show all this perfect work flowing every reg ever invented to the letter is just rubbish. In the real world you would not get much work at all working like that it is just not viable. Love it you tell it like it is attitude keep them coming great to watch.

[@Russwig]

Something I find interesting is your ability to bury your Fuse Boards. Here in the USA we have to provide clearance (30" in all directions I think) to assure ease of access to the board.

[@MMKLYH]

30 inches is abit excessive

[@Ilovebrownbreadtoast]

Just do what the electricians I work with do. They shout “power’s going off!” and then turn it off, no ifs no buts, no questions asked. Mind you this isn’t in occupied properties so perhaps not. OR, you could do it and if/when they kick off just give them the blanket “I apologise, I thought you were made aware that there would be disruption, won’t be long now blahblahblah” response and if things get really sour you can always turn it back on.

[@joefrayling9263]

That's my personal favourite way to do it, the reaction to the call out and then loss of power before they've got time to argue is brilliant 😅 👍

[@renrieu]

Welcome Back Mr Nagy - Glad to see you back on the screen, missed the content.

[@charlotterobinson9452]

I've started doing R2 wander lead testing wherever possible on eicrs. Helps to keep the power on a bit longer. Especially lights in commercial buildings.

[@DoctorElectricYouTube]

I remember something you said to me a couple of years ago when I met you with GSH Gaz, don't take too much notice of the negative comments on KZbin, no matter what you say, someone will have the completely opposite thing to say back! Been watching you since day 1, you inspired me to start up my own channel now. Good video, look forward to the rest.

[@jonathangriffiths4635]

Good to see you back, in my opinion the most normal contractor on here, does the work like we all do without all the bullshit of being PC

[@daveyr5462]

I work from home and my office contains a desktop machine which I use for everything. My incredibly expensive HP Elitebook is gathering dust. I only ever use it off site but I’ve never been off site for ages. The Elitebook isn’t bothered by power cuts so I can still work from that if the power is off. The battery will last about an hour, hour and a half, and I can always fit a secondary battery. Some of the Elitebooks you can fit a secondary ultra high capacity battery externally. On other laptops you can just use a UPS. I’m going to buy/make a UPS for the router (router specific with nothing else plugged in) so no interruptions to work. At a pinch I can just use 4G although typing on a phone is very, very slow and any video calls will be expensive. If you’re working from home then really you do need a UPS system regardless of electricians’ visits. They aren’t cheap but they aren’t expensive either and the cover they provide is vital so are priceless in terms of business continuity. It’s about planning ahead and making arrangements. It’s not like you fell out of the sky without warning and now want to turn the power off. You gave them notice, it’s up to them. They have no reason to complain when you arrive like you said. I am one of those very rare tenants that give honest feedback about visiting tradesmen and don’t act huffy and throw a tantrum when they arrive and do what they said they were going to do. Especially if I’ve been given notice. However I am one of those annoying tenants that will take an interest in what you are doing, not to supervise or look for things to complain about (or invent them when you do a perfect job!) but just to learn more about their respective industry out of interest and the constant desire I have to learn new things. I try to rein in my curiosity as much as I can though as I can appreciate how extremely annoying it must be.

[@keitho77]

Welcome back Tom & Co. Was getting withdrawal symptoms. Looking forward to seeing the new cherry picker.

[@adamjones2025]

14:58 oh ffs TOM i bloody laughed so hard i knocked my drink over LMAO

[@skamuk1]

Tom that 16mm T&E would need to be at least 50mm deep in the wall to omit RCD protection, otherwise it would need to be SWA or singles in metal conduit. Made this mistake myself a few times. If someone puts a screw through that T&E it’s only got that fuse to protect it. Was going to say the same thing on another video you did where you installed double insulated tails in the wall, needs to have mechanical protection of some form or an RCD. Also found out about the compression glands myself the other day, with different size holes in them! Didn’t know that.

[@skamuk1]

Or metal trunking can be used of course. Or you’d have to surface mount it.

[@SCOHunter]

Was getting worried Tom, Glad you're back :)

[@swl6218]

"Back to mine". Straight back on form. I wondered where you had gone. Good to have you back.

[@tonyc7859]

come on tom get back to the weekly updates! Bundy10 is ahead at the moment haha

[@leighbrowne8863]

Been there!! I find once the tenant has been warned, i just turn off!! "sorry back on as soon as i can"

[@SSJXxNeXaxX]

Especially being an electrician in london, Nagy’s channel is the best (imo) and most relatable because he says it how it is and talks about the common bullshittery an electrician experiences everyday.

[@doctorelectric470]

I've had exactly the same thing for the last couple of weeks mate, I've been doing an EICR in a care home with 6DB's, can't turn lights off because of danger for residents, can't turn sockets off because the residents are watching Bargain Hunt!! it's been a nightmare mate, also got another EICR booked in for asap but I can't get in to turn the power off as the children are being home schooled!! Now having to move my diary around to get in there during half term week, on top of all that I've just picked up an EICR for a dentist that has to be done at the weekend too!! Nightmare!!!

[@m.bmaintenance7834]

Hi Tom, I know this is contraversal but I turn one circuit of at time so they always have some power, then the more the customer moans about it, The more I accidently push there rcd test button, Ive found its more fun if you do it every 5 mins or so just as the internet/sky has rebootted

[@ChristosLouridas]

Perfect thing to watch with a nice espresso and applying for jobs. Welcome back mate. Missed the content.

[@domrobinson9287]

You could put 16mm tails in. You would have to also prove the 16mm tails would hold the fault current in the time it would take the 100A fuse to disconnect (reg 434.5.2)

[@DillToolsAnTrains]

as a rail engineers for rolling stock we have to check all works and witness curtain works being done torqued and it is essential for quality inspector to inspect works too electrical work is just tested when built

[@adamsher86]

Good to see you back Tom! Your vlogs don't seem to be as often these days which is either a good thing that you're busy and don't have the time or with lockdown there isn't really a huge amount of interesting stuff to vlog? Either way, good to see you posting!

[@gregorythomas333]

Most of our cities have crime stats and you can search them...so do a search on the street address to see how much crime there is at it...like break ins & such.

[@chrischalks3716]

Great to see you back! Iv watched your videos for ages now.. I’m currently doing an apprenticeship but would love to work for you! Great team and great knowledge 👌👍🏻

[@rigo6333]

Great to see you again. Great knowledge gained while really enjoying the video and your humour 😆👍

[@voltacoreltd]

Tom if you have the EICR power issue alot then its worth investing in one of those LARGE power banks like Nick Bundy has so they can use internet and limited other electrical.

[@Petetay]

Glad your back pal

[@smikers100]

Great to have you back Tom

[@JimWhitaker]

There's a reason why film makers have takes 1 to 10 available! (Gland sizes.) Good to see you back.

[@neil6438]

Still the most watchable spark on KZbin.

[@darrenqualters2341]

Good video Thomas, I’ve missed your videos lately, good to see you back again, hopefully you’ve got a few more in the pipeline

[@snodge6770]

Good to see a spark that cleans up after themselves 👍👍👍👍. Hope you don't use silicone around gaps ??? As a painter its a nightmare 😪😪😪☹😒

[@rainshine3457]

Much love to you & Nay nice to have you back, keep me going through lockdown. Don't understand much of the electric stuff but still strangely enjoy it. Can't wait to see the new unit & cherry picker. Stay safe love & virtual hugs always Nick 😘😘😘😘😂

[@terryleaman3038]

Where have you been Tom????

[@sjbradley98]

As an employee of an unnamed energy company, there should be nothing between the cutout and meter. Ideally in that job DNO should be fitting a red link cutout to the upstairs flat, with its own board and meter. Wrongly or rightly, some would report that as potential theft having a customer isolator before the meter.

[@muzikman2008]

Yay! Was wondering only yesterday where you were 😂👍 I found that with stuffing glands, they all very between manufacturers. It's just how far the rubber insert can compress usually.

[@markrainford1219]

Just turn it off and face the consequences. As the old saying goes 'it's a lot easier to gain forgivness than gain permission'. Or summink like it.

[@z00h]

'it's a lot easier to gain forgivness than gain permission' That's a cunty move.

[@terrymoore3335]

Welcome back tom We've missed you

[@ExStaticBass]

I reckon it's a bit late to like and subscribe since I subscribed ages ago and I usually smash the like button soon as the video loads. See I've come to understand that your channel is fairly decent and I haven't been let down yet. So for what it's worth mate, cheers.

[@thomasjwynn]

It’s nice to see you back.

[@hannahranga]

People are pretty oblivious, I enjoy waving to train passengers while I'm up a signal.

[@Mark1024MAK]

I only normally only wave to the driver 😀

[@mikesmalling2020]

I've had set of those ebay rachet cutters for years now. ive even used them for 16mm 3 core and they did the job with a bit of gentle persuasion

[@AndrewGillard]

The pair of electricians here on Friday to test the house I rent minimised this issue by only having the power off for 10 minutes! They were only here for a total of 48 minutes! Pretty efficient EICRing for a 4-bed house, right‽ We didn't have to unplug appliances or anything! I wonder how much they charged my landlady for that... However, to the surprise of nobody, *they've Unsatisfactory'd this 2007 installation for having a plastic consumer unit(!)*, no RCD protection on lighting circuits, and because the RCD is supposedly faulty, though I'm not entirely convinced... (One guy made it seem like the RCD wouldn't reset and/or kept tripping whenever the other guy's tester was plugged into a socket. He literally said "it's tripping before you've even done anything"‽ 🤷‍♀️ Maaayyyybe? It _has_ always seemed slightly sensitive. But not to the extent of "it trips all the time for no reason"... 😕) I haven't yet seen their report (I can't wait! "LIM city", perhaps?) so I don't know if they've C2'd anything else. I'm just going off what they told me when they were here: that the consumer unit needs replacing because "the regulations have changed and plastic fuse boxes aren't permitted, they have to be metal", followed by stuff about no RCD for the lights. My landlady lets a fair number of properties in the area, including several on this same estate that this pair were supposed to test on the same day. If they're demanding a new consumer unit for all of those, that'll be a nice pay day for them!! (To be clear, at this point I have no reason to suspect my landlady of requesting a half-arsed report that covers little more than "does everything outwardly appear to work and be undamaged?". She's generally good with maintenance and such, and these 2 electricians were from a local company that looks suitably competent and is registered as a NICEIC Approved Contractor...)

[@huwcochlin1856]

Lims, lims, lims. I always try to get hold of the end user direct, and drum in the power outage, like you said, there’s enough powered stuff in circuits to give shit ir readings these days anyway without taking the whole ring main and lighting radial circuit apart, and re-connect to test. Takes fuckin ages

[@iGamer168]

Good to have you back senor

[@mrclive5]

That 16.0 T&E, is it in earthed metal containment? If not, RCD required? The glands; yup, you used to be able to specify standard or large bore. Good times.

[@evzenhedvabny6259]

If not ... Is deeper than 50 mm ? No then RCD needed. For my country if on wood or another combustible material then

[@johnmurray789]

Good to see you back

[@paulmerchant9015]

i have those exact cutters and have cut a 16mm 3 core swa no problem. still working to this day the only thing wrong is the spring has went so you have to manual pull the handle back to use it again.

[@worstuserever]

I'd bet good money that Naomi already does a devastating impression of Tom. Also want to see her carry out the final check after a couple of Tom's solo jobs 🕵️‍♀️

[@tc6907]

Nice to have you back Mr Nagy! Do you not worry about having cables within the fabric of the building with no RCD protection?

[@dylanwheater4375]

You could offer them a service where you use big power banks to keep electric on for the and charge them a flat fee for the service

[@paulboyle4348]

Great vid Tom,please make more if u have time because they great👍🏻

[@CoffeeOnRails]

I try to keep all "critical" equipment (e.g. WiFi equipment, my desk etc.) on UPS equipment just in case something like a breaker trips, or say an electritian needs to do work.

[@YGee3Mx]

There’s nothing worse than turning up to a tenanted property to do an EICR that the tenant has been notified of and what will be undertaken yet they still spit their dummy out😂 I feel your pain Mr Nagy

[@dancoates8673]

How did you swap the tails from the main fuse? I would like to know how other people go about it, I’ve had to remove excess tails before, of course I got the DNO involved.... 😆. Love the videos, I’m really considering starting my own electrical business, if/when I do I might try and do some KZbin videos to have fun and help others too.

[@liamcinq]

Classic comeback, love a Tom rant!

[@Richardincancale]

Turn up with a fully charged power bank/inverter like the Bluetti ones. Set them up at the start so their router / WiFi / TV or whatever essentials are on, and get on in peace and harmony.

[@tready2008]

That's one mean steering wheel lock!

[@johnmcquay82]

I'm not a sparky, but I try to be mindful as a tenant that sometimes stuff has to be done. I knew about my last EICR about a month in advance, so I planned for it. I have an events business (which admittedly ain't doing a lot at the moment) and work full time too, so have a generator; and being a business I use a UPS on critical stuff like networks. I was told the power would be intermittent for a couple of hours, so I wheeled out the gennie; shifted the critical stuff to that and let him crack on with it. I know not everyone can do what I did, but for the sake of an hour or so, most people can tether a laptop to a mobile.

[@andrewpowell6457]

Welcome Back

[@AllenGoldsmith]

bought those ratchet cutters too worked wonders on 25mm 4 core swa =)

[@daveytn]

Unless you're on a life support machine, you really can do without electricity for an hour or so. I'm always so critical about it 'how long for, when will it be back on' because I have tropical fish but you wouldn't believe how long the heat holds before it starts to drop. Litterally no excuse 😂

[@FireballXL55]

Hi you never did say why the earth block was not connected to the incoming.?

[@altypeRR]

Not all tenants are like that. I’d actually say that if it’s the letting agent you are telling the power will have to go off it’s probably them that has failed to tell the tenant. So the first the tenant knows is when you tell them. I know, I’ve been on the receiving end. In the end I give the contractors my number and say if you need to do a job can you contact me as well then it saves a wasted journey.

[@Ivorbiggin]

Well come back Tom and Company

[@markdavies794]

Turn the power off: I drove 36 miles to my parents cos some t*sser plumber had been and changed their heating controller and messed it up so they had no heating for 2 years before my parents finally mentioned it to me. So 36 miles there, said I need to turn the power off and was told "But I am watching TV" and "your brother will be getting up soon and will want a brew".

[@R.H.Electrical]

As you said Tom alot of tenants/homeowners agree to the loss of power. But when you say its going off your met with a look of panic and fear lol Like yourself if they keep refusing it goes down as an operational limitation with the persons name and the time etc who said I cannot isolate X circuit. Did a DB change the other day as I took the old DB off the homeowner came over and said "how long will the power be off for.... my son was playing his xbox"....

[@Richardincancale]

14:19 Nice!

[@lewis94uk]

I find the wiska glands are pretty good, they have a wide range of clamping

[@chrisb4009]

I’ve come across this before, I always understood the a fuse only protected cables downstream. But suppliers use use a fuse to protect cables upstream of the property.

[@Ampeex]

We electricians in Sweden do not have this problem with turning off the power. When we tell the customer that the power will be turned off, there are very rarely any problems with the customer.

[@hassasinali7979]

I'm doing the exact same job he does everyday now. I no longer envy this guy.

[@EnsurgeLtd]

Tell the agent to call them ASAP or fail it due to limitations. Charge agent and re book. Lol

[@-.Andy.-]

Do you not need RCD protection on a t&e sub-main? I’ve always wired my sub-mains in SWA.

[@spanishmarc]

Start a podcast. Then we can happily listen to you rant, rave and bang on for hours. Happy days.

[@throttlebottle5906]

all my computer/networking/phone equipment is on UPS backup power, so I wouldn't notice until it hit the 3 minute mark and started scheduled shutdown. well other than the lights going off and other than beeping alert. but everyone isn't me :)

[@roblewis730]

"Lim due to Tennant unable to isolate power"

[@andytap560]

I had one this week,gave them notice they said all good,i get there,washing machines on,husband is on conference call wife is using 3 screens and a phone and pretty sure oven was going,i offered them 10 minutes to power down or id be off and the landlord may fine them.

[@SSJXxNeXaxX]

14:58👍😂😂😂😂 camera man couldnt hold it in either

[@cprfenom]

I believe 433.2.2 ish says that the protective device can be at the other end as long as the cable is less than 3 meters long and provisions are made to limit the chance of damage to the cable?

[@CyberlightFG]

Hi there! Just a nice little friendly comment.

[@kentg7986]

use a Deferral form ask them to sign a pre-printed form that they are causing additional time + cost. We get this all the time where test are booked but every bodys told just to be refused when we turn up. having to sign some thing make them change their mind.

[@TheChipmunk2008]

I just do what you say. Most of our clients don't mind being offline. They're happy for the break. How would they cope with a flippin powercut? If it's that essential they'd have a ups and/or generator. The reg regarding cable not.needing to be protected I think it's if it's a limited length and not likely to be damaged... Came up on my 18th exam. And re stuffing glands... Make sure they come with a flippin locknut! (Stares at TLC)

[@jimgeelan5949]

We want Tom, we want Tom, we want Tom, we want Tom, we want Tom were is Tom 😝😝

[@andljoy]

Do what i do when they wont let me update the firmware on a switch " oh no .... i tripped over the cable .... what a shame ..."

[@yeety1208]

yay another video!