How Do You Rank Greatness | Every 6.0 Dungeon FFXIV Endwalker

[@Deode-d4h]

I still remember when Garrett said "I wished Holminster Switch had more fire" then when he got to Vanaspati said "Oh so that's where they put the rest of the fire." Paraphrased quotes, but you get the idea. I just like how these smaller things throughout the game that Garrett wanted improvement on in an earlier expansion somehow got an improvement in a later dungeon expansion.

[@draigonEx]

I'm sure it's been pointed out multiple times, but the visual progression in Dead Ends is Metion. You're following one bird's journey and she goes from blue to black as you go from world to world.

[@Reinshark]

I didn't get that impression. It just seemed to be a collection of worlds whose memories she absorbed; each has its own tale, just like the worlds of the Dragons, Ea, and Omicrons outside the dungeon, but there isn't a particular emotional "progression" between them that I took note of.

[@draigonEx]

@@Reinshark The Metion accompanying you through the dungeon starts as bright blue, gets darker over the course of the dungeon and turns full black when the final boss cinematic plays.

[@Reinshark]

@@draigonEx TIL

[@jkrpgaming]

yeah i think varis/anima was meant to be a red herring and appear as a trial visually. Because when the launch trailer dropped some footage of that boss fight everyone thought Anima would be trial 1 which helped with the fake out that it was zodiark.

[@SticktheFigure]

How many years have come and gone since that day? How many years have I waited for this moment? For the one that stood against the end.... for the one they called... The Wall of Dungeons

[@throwaway5012]

My favorite takeaway from Vanaspati was the name of the first boss's moves. Its super simple: "What is Right?" and "What is Left?" - for Right/Left half-room attacks. Simple. But contextualized: This was a Radz-at-Han guard who has turned. To protect the villagers he is forced to slay the villagers who have already succumbed to grief and turned into monsters. His own grief is manifested into two questions: "What is Right?" And "What is Left?"

[@rtqpcrxn]

I never put this together on my own. Its fantastic, thank you

[@iantaakalla8180]

Me when I express my moral quandary through names of my attacks:

[@SilentMike55]

Hint for the Magnet, level a gatherer and do the Omicron Allied Society quest

[@Epicentera]

+

[@robbaskerville253]

That's the true end game

[@Reinshark]

Variant dungeons were GREAT, Garrett's take be damned! The puzzle of working out various paths was really great, unique gameplay, assuming you worked to figure it out yourself and didn't just read an online guide. It took some patience, and certainly wasn't for everyone, but it was great for what it was. The main issue with variant, criterion, and criterion savage dungeons was the reward structure, which I agree could use some work. But the gameplay itself was wonderful if you had the patience for it.

[@Zakjuh]

Also the difficulty tbh. Criterions should have been more entry level and approachable for anyone who wanted to pull together a group of friends and do it. Instead, Criterions felt Savage and Criterion Savage just felt Savage-er. In the future, I'd like them to balance it more. That way Criterion Savage can be its own thing as well.

[@Meatallic]

Yeah some of those routes made me feel like a real smartypants (and others like a real dumbass :v)

[@KatyWhitekavkj]

I like the variant dungeons. I LOVE the criterion ones ... having the same kind of difficulty you'd expect from an extreme trial but in a delicious little package of 4 man goodness is absolutely what I'd been hungering for out of this game. I don't even care about the drops not being all that great - I just like the chance to challenge myself. Though yes, I'm attempting Savage but struggling - that Epic Hero title is very tempting but it's SO unforgiving.

[@Silidirian]

@@Zakjuh Yeah, Criterion Savage was quite litterally a 4 player ultimate, as it had similar duration, everything was "perform perfectly or get 1 shot", a single death meant a wipe, and had a fully instance enrage from the moment the first enemy was pulled. It was definitely some oversights on the challenge, but also the other big reason it was viewed kinda poorly was (at least until the final one) there was no real reason to even run it due to having basically no rewards.

[@kaltoren]

Honestly, I felt Variant had better rewards than Criterion. Pretty much every variant had at least a FULL glam set attached to it. I still like rocking the Noir set from Sil'Dihn variant on my BLM.

[@Adu767]

The Vanaspati theme has parts in it with swelling violins that just sound so mournful, the song is dripping with fear and pain and I think it's honestly one of the best dungeon themes from a thematic perspective.

[@VioletMoonfox]

"The danger of wind is not lost on me," Garrett says after a hurricane tears through the area.

[@TheIvoryDingo]

23:34 Somewhat ironically, I would say that Rhitahtyn became an interesting callback after the fact due to his joke of a trial being changed to a solo duty that can be a a gear check and a genuine test of skill for new players.

[@tazersmurf4689]

The cherry on the cake for me is for most the Rhitahtyn fight in thr Aitiscope felt like the devs giving love to an npc whose fight had become trivialized due to power creep. As many hadn't gone and done a NG+ run through or gotten there on an alt before getting to this fight.

[@Reinshark]

I think Vanaspati is S-tier. While the overall vibe/theme doesn't change much over the course of the dungeon, they do explore that theme in different areas and terrain in a way that I find really compelling: going through the wilderness, trudging through a stream, then through the wrecked village, then to the temple ruins with the skies swarming with monsters-it worked as an escalation for ME, anyway. I'll also add that Aitiascope has some REALLY awkward trash pulls with forced single-pulls, long waits for "RP", and the Papalymo-induced explosion moment which makes your own efforts to burn down the trash seem futile. Kyle said it wasn't egregious, but over repeat runs these things add up and become worse and worse. That said, overall I think this is a really sensible list. I mean, uh... anger! Rage! You baited me into engagement, vile KZbinrs!

[@STOOPIDDUMBY]

Vanaspati’s my number one EW dungeon

[@Salt_Mage]

Vanaspati has a lot of pauses for RP as well. While leveling my jobs it quickly became my most hated EW dungeon. Aitiascope was saved because you barely had to run it to cap a job.

[@Reinshark]

@@Salt_Mage The only pause I can think of in Vanaspati is the transforming family on the way to the second boss, which includes a forced single-pull before it. What else is there that forces you to wait?

[@Gmaxz_]

@@Reinshark The first and second bosses make you wait for them, as well as the forced single pulls having you wait for adds to come in some of the corridors + the last bit before the last boss

[@NakuruKouChannel]

Vanaspati was my favorite! The stakes are so high and the vibes were immaculate

[@thevonya3977]

30:05 To paraphrase that SpongeBob meme: "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?"

[@crossorion2004]

The intros continue to be consistently bangers. Community should put together a wall of intros.

[@Silidirian]

I don't recall exactly when you got through ARR (if it was before or after the Cape Westwind change), though the reason Rhitahtyn is more memorable for a lot of players at the time was Cape Westwind was the first 8 player trial, which on release was actually somewhat difficult due to the systems at the time as well as people not having their job gear accessable. Later on when gear was higher, more jobs were added, and the game systems changed, he became a glorifed punching bag but the meme of it being the "hardest fight in the game" stuck and was always commented by people when they got it in roulette, and when they announced it was being reworked to a solo instance people were kinda sad, sending it off in style with synced min il no job stone runs.

[@NajaSide]

They did Cape Westwind before it was changed, but they weren't streaming or talking about it much at the time

[@PetarBladeStrok]

Garret's merciless on Aitiascope. lol Amon's goodbye in Aitiascope was actually one of my favorite moments in EW & the closure that his/Hermes' character needed. His character arc would be unfinished & unrefined writing-wise if not for Aitiascope. And his speech with him being almost fully devoid of hope legit made me cry. And if you pick the more compassionate dialogue option at the end of his cutscene, his response hits even more. Though I do agree the dungeon had waaay more potential & OST could've been way better. First two bosses & visuals could've been way cooler too. I'll just have to disagree that the story in it wasn't good. I thought it was peak writing but I wish they could've made it even more emotional. Though if I were to rank the dungeon itself, I'd almost agree with you. It's a B for me. About Zot, I love the OST of Zot because it tugs at my nostalgic hearstrigs, since the theme in itself references Golbez's theme. But I get it that it may not work for someone who didn't play FFIV. Great vid as always guys! 🙌

[@Heldemon]

Doesn't help that they picked the option that makes amon just be villiany at the end.

[@Zakjuh]

@@Heldemon Ooooh, they did, didn't I? I forgot. That's probably why it didn't land as nicely. I can get giving Amon the finger after all he did, but I didn't, and it was good to watch him come to terms with his own mistakes. If only for a moment. I think that moment alone elevated the character. "If life is so sacred, so precious, why fill it with such misery?" "Man wallows in a hell of his own making, without purpose or meaning." "To live is to suffer... And I would end that suffering by my own hand!" "It matters not if it flies in the face of all believed right and just. Death is the only solution!" "That is my truth. My answer to the question, and yet..." "...Even as the words pass my lips, I am filled with doubt." "Has my search reached its end?" "Was this the only way?" "After all these years..." "Is this the answer I was hoping for?" I'm a sucker for a good moment of pained introspection at the end. Frankly, I think it could've stewed for a bit longer before Asahi showed up to yap. The delivery was great, too. The sense of panic, of realization in his voice.

[@elvininfante307]

Garrett: The music in Vanaspati is kind of a rif of the Endwalker theme. Kyle: Well, it kind of just FLOWS together. Vulgar amounts of “I see what you did there”.

[@diamondmagus]

For Zot, everything the boys mentioned is from FF4: the weird giant with the Mega Man arm cannon trash mob, the music, the Magus Sisters themselves. I have fond memories of FF4, so I liked seeing all these things. Agreed that the packs followed by the 3 Sisters is some of the roughest (for its level) dungeon encounters. For Babil, again, the doctor and Barnabas are from FF4. Anima is a great capstone. It's fun to see all the friendly NPCs in the early section. But I dunno, I think I like Zot more than Babil. Vanaspati is my S-tier dungeon. Great urgency, grappling with the blasphemies seriously for the first time, watching the people turn and then the family is a gut punch the first time. The escalation from forest to village to temple, all with a great set of dungeon loot. Awesome dungeon. Ktisis, I rate far lower than the boys. Except for having the Ancients as trust companions, didn't really feel strongly about this dungeon. The banter of the trust companion is the real highlight, and nothing else really stood out. Dungeon loot isn't very interesting either. Aitiascope deserves higher. Call backs to dead friends were great. I get the reused models complaint, but I liked having a remixed Amon as the final boss just so we can humiliate that guy one more time. And Asahi showing up just to shit talk was great; no one out simps Asahi! Dead Ends is perfect, no notes. I want to know if the first boss has more kills than any other dungeon boss. Praise Ra-La! Final Rating: S - Dead Ends, Vanaspati; A - Zot, Babil; B - Ktisis, Aitiascope.

[@ILoveJamesFelt]

I agree with all of this. I see little difference in quality between aitascope (sp?) And ktisis as just dungeons to me is minimal. Both have pretty wear entries for 1st 2 bosses, and both have (imo) bangers for final bosses. I would give the edge to Aita in this regard, although Ktisis' music is probably better. Both are good, but neither of them sniffs Vani and Dead Ends.

[@zuzu2700]

Man I love it when the boss music kicks in and Amon does his voice lines. And Ysayle covering for Curtain Call.

[@ksNanoSquid]

Just gonna say that I absolutely love when you guys do lists like this. Nothing better than listening to two friends geek out about the minutia of something they both love.

[@Dostwyn]

Aitiascope is "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?!": The Dungeon.

[@Adu767]

It is, no shit, the FOURTH time you fight some version of Amon/Hermes/Fandaniel, and the third time during Endwalker MSQ alone. I also think including him there undercuts the scene we get after Zodiarks death, just a little bit. They could've figured out someone else to put there, but seeing Ysalye again during Curtain Call was kinda cool.

[@8BitCerberus]

Yeah another incarnation of Hermes/Amon was a bit much for the final boss given how many times we've already fought him, even though I do kind of agree it fits. Livia and Ricky Ticky Tavi though, no idea why they were bosses. As random trash mobs, sure. They really don't have the impact in the grand scheme of things to warrant being a boss fight, even as tragic as Noraxia's death was they were ultimately not anyone we really got to know, and the random scions that weren't even given names. Keeping names below vague to avoid spoilers for anyone not caught up... 😅 Ilberd, on the other hand, definitely should have been one of the bosses, and not just trash. His impact on us was considerably greater, with the Crystal Braves betrayal and near assassination attempt, to the direct result of losing the finest pupil. And I think Thordan would make a good boss as well given his direct impact with both our bro and the dragon lady. Other than that we don't have too many truly dead villains up to this point. And even a some not only alive and well, but in the process of a redemption arc, and one that redeemed themselves in their final moments. The Ascians got their memories back once they reached the underworld, and would have realized they were in the wrong (except for Hermes because he was nihilistic even in pre-sundered life), so they would make sense if they appeared as allies in the Aitiascope. Maybe Vauthry but he was more just an annoying spoiled brat, didn't really make an emotional impact. Varis, maybe could work, even if there wasn't a direct emotional impact... it could be argued he was more or less responsible for all the losses we'd had up through Stormblood.

[@Adu767]

​@@8BitCerberus I agree with Ilberd and Thordan as bosses 100%.

[@chrisbaldwin8570]

Dead Ends was my favorite story dungeon during my playthrough. It immediate hits you with the idea of this tour de force of all these dead and gone worlds, but you get to see their last moments and as you go through the dungeon the dread keeps building. First with the plagued world, where no one cured the illness and they all eventually succumbed to the infected like a zombie outbreak to finding a world in the crucible of war after finally uniting under one standard, but still having people desire their own cultures and dreams separate from the whole and how far both would go to destroy each other. Then it finally ends with fatalism where people decided it would be better to die in happiness than in sadness and the extreme methods they would use to get there... And the worst part is it's all understandable. My grandmother passed not too long ago and her last days were mostly out of consciousness, struggling to breath, slowly being strangled by a failing body. I could see how someone would want to go at a time of their choosing and in a manner that was painless and filled with joy and how that could spiral into cultural death. I think all of this is why it is so effective as a dungeon.

[@seekittycat]

😢 Ysale coming in to save us by being ice so we can survive the Amon insta death mechanic is like my fav thing

[@ExileTwilight]

It's such a good touch and reference to crystal tower

[@absollum]

​@@ExileTwilightI didn't even realize that it's a reference to his Crystal Tower fight.

[@BlahMage]

@@ExileTwilight in my first run I initially panicked when I saw curtain call without an iceblock and thought I did something wrong hahaha Then Ysayle showed up and I burst into tears :''')

[@Femmigje112]

IIRC there was a plan to first have a Garlemald expansion ending with Anima and then the Final Days expansion. It got cut because the writers were worried the story would become too long. Personally I would’ve loved the Garlemald expansion after the Final Days, but I can understand why it would’ve been cut short

[@ericbright1742]

Two-Shields was a weird callback, even at the time. However, after the 6.1 rework of Cape Westwind into a solo duty where you basically go in and assassinate him? He ordered his soldiers to evacuate and save themselves, and once they signaled for help, they came back to assist him. Once they died, he went gigachad, and did everything he could to kill you, effectively setting the ground on fire, and pinning himself and you down in the flames, and now it's a race to see who dies first. It felt more impactful after the 6.1 changes. Overall, though, I agree with the mid ranking of Aitascope, when you take it in isolation. The story relevance and meaning pushes it up to High-A, Low-S for me.

[@ericbright1742]

We can all agree that it's better than Shadowlands, in terms of delving into the afterlife, right?

[@24Sparja]

@@ericbright1742 meh callbacks vs disrespectful callbacks

[@yannobzh]

I could listen to you two talking about this for hours!

[@ILoveJamesFelt]

I perspanlly think Vanispati is one of the best dungeons in this game. Easily S-tier. Its impossible for me to think of it in a vacuum because of the time that Endwalker came out, and how the trauma happening to the characters was soo deeply reflective of the trauma many were facing. As a parent, watching the mother Matanga and her kids give in to despair and then have to kill them was heart wrenching for me. FFXIV pften pulled its punches, we hadnt even lost a true Scion since Papalymo. And now, were watching thousands of people transform and need to die. It was heart wrenching for me. I like the motif, so the music creates a feeling of both urgency and depression (perfect in that moment) the bosses were visually wonderful for the vibe, and the mechanics were strong. One voice cant change the board, but Vani is S tier to me, and i would argue it is my favorite thematic dungeon even though i know im going to be sad through the entire run of it.

[@serisothikos]

27:27 - That "sad music with an undercurrent of hope" is beautifully illustrated by the harp rising in the following musical phrase.

[@SuperMoRangeT]

I ran Dead Ends SOOOO many times to get Starbird. I never got bored of that dungeon. Also helps that the dungeon is actually more difficult that your average dungeon. I have soloed every boss as Warrior because my party wiped. Multiple times. Absolutely top tier. I will eventually get my cute danger noodle with a scarf minion for Ktisis, and that will be cool. I am DREADING having to do Aitiascope for the troll minion. The dungeon is a good story dungeon, but it's FEELS SOO SLOW as a farm/roulette dungeon.

[@therealkami]

I'm sure you've noticed, but Hermes uses the Ramuh skeleton, which is why he has the vine beard on the front.

[@mjproehl]

"Why did they give us these magnets?!" Reminder about the gathering Tribe and the continuing story of Ultima Thule.

[@fluffyfang4213]

I forgot you managed to get J&J for your Dead Ends run and it made me realize just how long ago that was.

[@amymcwilliams24601]

Dead Ends is my favorite dungeon in the game. Second boss fight is probably my favorite dungeon boss fight. Glad you got it right. :D

[@poeticthief]

Props to Kyle for an actual physical wall!

[@dell19930]

12:12 I think Ishikawa and YoshiP did mention that originally the expansion was meant to be fully Garlemald focused with Anima as the final trial, but for various reasons (I think they said they couldn't put enough in to justify it?) they decided against it?

[@tsbulmer]

Vanaspati isn't my favorite dungeon to play through, but when I think of Endwalker, I think of Vanaspati. For me, it's the iconic one.

[@tsbulmer]

The final fight of Tower of Zot is pretty incredible, I agree 100%, but there's a whole other factor to it! That fight asks things of you that no other boss fight in this game does - you start off attacking a single-target when it's just Cindy, then you switch between one- and two-target optimizations depending on whether Sandy's joined in, and during the Delta Attack you've gotta -work- to keep uptime! And that's not all - with Mindy off to the side, you have three-target multidotting! This isn't a big deal for some classes, but for others, it's *incredibly* engaging. How often as a Samurai do you have three Higanbanas ticking, nevermind switching -back and forth- between two different rotations? Think about doing that fight as a Black Mage, as it was during Endwalker, sometimes using Fire/Blizzard 3 to swap states and sometimes HF/HB 2 if Sandy's there, sometimes spending Polyglot stacks on Foul instead of Xenoglossy, and then there's getting casts off during Delta! Thankfully, that was one of the *exceedingly* rare times it made sense to have three single-target Thunder 3s ticking away, feeding you those -juicy- Thunderhead procs all the more often. What an incredible fight!

[@DLMoridin]

I always just focus'd down Cindy. Cause if you manage to kill one of the other two first, she just revives them. They dont have anywhere near the amount of HP needed to be a issue, so focuing Cindy and avoiding dying just seems better way to do it.

[@tsbulmer]

@@DLMoridin If Cindy's the priority target, she'll definitely fall before the others - it's people attacking willy-nilly that would lead to others dying first and getting picked back up. Focusing down Cindy is safer, sure, but two-target optimizations and multi-dotting are just that - optimizations. Chilling out and taking the fight at a relaxed pace is a legit option, for sure.

[@NakuruKouChannel]

17:06 on the theme of endwalker, "they all FLOW together" lmao

[@robynstrong1189]

I ran Dead Ends at least 10 times a day for 2 weeks to get the minion for my alt so now I scream whenever I see it; still love this dungeon!

[@scotty110]

what I feel hurt Atiascope as well was the fact that the cameos of your friends are easy to miss if you're not really paying attention and when you're in the middle of battle with spell effects going off and just pushing through quickly, it's very easy to miss the appearance of Tupsimati for Papalymo, Moenbryda's axe and Haurchefant's shield. heck I totally did not know that Y'sayle came to help during the fight with Amon until much later when watching the guys stream it

[@Heldemon]

Think you need your eyes checked if you miss Haurchefant's shield. That's basically impossible unless you're literally just not looking at the screen.

[@jjc101]

I find it really hard to seperate the story from the dungeons so kudos to you for sticking to your criteria this long. With that in mind I have to say Aitiascope is probably my favourite dungeon in Endwalker because of the restraint the team showed when making a dungeon that was essentially "callbacks: the dungeon". Yes they could have gone larger in scope for who shows up and how, but I love that they focused in on ARR specifically. Back before all the expansions came along to "expand" the world and lore all we had were Hydaelyn, Garleans and the Ascians. The Aitiascope is the road to Hydaelyn, with our path blocked by the Garleans we defeated, and with the Ascian who started this whole mess to round it up. Even the callbacks in between were all characters from ARR, either base game or patches. It was the perfect send off to the world and characters that started the 10 year journey and I'm personally very happy they didn't try to represent everything that came after. After all we wouldn't have all this if it wasn't for ARR's success.

[@OnTheVeryOffChanceIComment]

I genuinely forgot Aitiascope existed as a dungeon until I watched the VOD when you both got to it. I was literally so confused that my brain redacted it, I even went and looked it up in the duty finder it was so baffling that just a complete void existed in my memory of it. Then I promptly got it in my leveling roulette the very next day. I was laughing for a solid 10 minutes.

[@GimmeTOKYO]

Ktisis’s theme, “Miracle Works,” always gives me Sky Sanctuary Zone from Sonic & Knuckles-vibes. Especially when the “chorus” comes in with the high-pitched lead.

[@DelSolstice]

Anima WAS originally meant to be a trial in the rough draft for 6.0. In fact it was even under consideration to be the final one. 6.0 would have been the "Garlean Empire" expansion, 7.0 would have been the rest of Endwalker, but the team decided that about 75% of the mystery around the Ascians had already been uncovered in Shadowbringers, so there wasn't so much of a need (I do think liberating an extra province or two would have been neat if possible) Also Stormblood already went through the liberation of two different Garlean territories, so it could have gotten repetitive, so they just blended the story to include both things. In the end, Anima was just a dungeon boss that FELT like a 4-man trial. They probably could have broken precedent and given us a 4th trial in Endwalker, but Anima trial leading almost directly into Zodiark would have badly undermined Anima. Re: Aitiascope: I can never dislike it because it references Ysayle. She comes in and gives you an opening to survive the final boss with her iceberg shield. She is my possibly my favorite character, and this is the first time she was referenced since like 3.3, whereas some of the other deceased get referenced repeatedly. Also it's generally beautiful. And as far Rhytahn being the second boss, Yoshi-P had said he wanted to give that character a makeover since he was a running joke with Cape Westwind. If you recall, he was a general who Gaius appointed to be his Field Marshall on merit. He was actually supposed to be an example of Gaius being a pragmatist who went against the grain of Garlean racism, so there was an extra need to rehab the character. Since most veteran players will never be able to do the heavy hitting solo duty that replaced Cape Westwind, putting him in Aitiascope as a boss fight made a degree of sense. I agree they could have gone a lot harder with references, but a 'C' is really harsh to me. Also Dead Ends is my favorite dungeon in the whole game, and I've done all of them at this point. Would have been furious if that wasn't S-Tier.

[@vgpowerlord]

Tower of Zot's music is also a reference to another Final Fantasy game, specifically Final Fantasy IV's Tower of Zot music.

[@MrDfrose]

They all "Flow" into eachother 17:00 damn you Kyle

[@quinnbell2388]

Yo, my first run of aitila, i was so hype for two-shield jenkins

[@alibutterfly82]

This has nothing to do with the main topic of the video, but... I see that Escaflowne box set being used as a book end on the lower shelf, and I approve 🙂 I have the same one from back in my Suncoast employee days. Great series.

[@tazersmurf4689]

Island Sanctuary wasn't bad for what the devs told us what it was going to be. Yet so many ignored for whatever reason(s) the devs repeatedly telling us that it wasn't going to be X. Could it have been better or different? Sure and I hope if they give us another version of it that they will take a long look at what worked and what didn't. I personally would probably put Aitiscope in B and Babil in C with Vanaspati on the higher B.

[@hagazziviliana2130]

Garrett gripe on things coming from another ff i can understand, then again everything from arr to zot has for the most part been coming from an old ff, hell most new mobs models from endwalker are basically ripped 1 to 1 from ffxi, i guess zot was more exotic hence the issue.

[@Reinshark]

There's a difference between using something that exists in another FF game and incorporating that fully into the world of XIV, and just making a reference to another FF game without incorporating that content fully into XIV's world. When something isn't fully incorporated into XIV's world in a thought-out way, it comes across as JUST a reference for the sake of having a reference.

[@Meowlo]

i still need the triple triad card from Atiascope and I just...cannot bring myself to farm for it. It's so meh. Maybe near the end of 7.0 when it's super easily unsyncable lol I gotta say that you two doing this list in the same room on the board is just top tier. I have always loved the lists but the vibes now that you two are physically in the room together and can touch the board and move stuff around like that, so good.

[@ILoveJamesFelt]

I assume you mean 7.X, since we're pretty much at the end of 7.0 now, with 7.1 being on the near horizon.

[@Meowlo]

@@ILoveJamesFelt yeah i mean 7.0 as an expansion cycle.

[@seetherx]

Tower of Babil music is a rif on the Garlemald theme. Its just more subtle than the other MSQ dungeon from 6.3.

[@zachq9005]

WoL to Amon: "HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON OLD MAN?!?"

[@karlrassmann4604]

*Toy Story Alien Voice* THE WAAAAAAAAALL

[@RockR277]

Well, to be fair, they'd already stopped doing bonus dungeons beyond the first 2 at ShB. Idk if I'd put The Magus Sisters as my favorite boss, but they're definitely up there for me. Surprising engaging (for the time) and potentially lethal. And the mobs, like Garrett said, hit like trains. "Could have been a trial"? Bro I totally thought Anima was gonna be the first trial. Fighting Zodiark really threw me for a loop. If you listen for it, most if not all zone themes reference the main theme for the expansion they come from.

[@joorsh8593]

Glad to see the return of the Wall! And I personally agree with your Aitianalysis.

[@GreenLeadr]

The wall returns! You love to see it folks!

[@OniScythe]

First off Great video! Second I think the first 2 post msq dungeons should be on the list. They came out on 6.0 too. Smileton is kinda meh to me but Stigma Deltascape is great! Omicron history dungeon!

[@riftwalker9296]

Tower of Zot music was pulled from the same tower in FFIV.

[@neichelistener]

“I can’t wait to meet Asahi” That WAS actually my thought because he’s my favorite character lol

[@Phyoka]

I've really missed this content! Glad to see it's back!!

[@bullshooter4040]

I love Final Fantasy IV, and was mostly tickled by many of its references in Endwalker. However, of all the FF14 expansions, it tiptoed the line of 'shoehorning' in those prior Final Fantasy references compared to the more subtle approaches in Shadowbringers and before, so I'm not surprised that some of Endwalker's content can feel a bit off in style and continuity artistically.

[@ahorseofcourse7283]

*_PRAISE RA-LA!_*

[@Zikoro]

OK for my base complaint that you would expect is that you should have add the 2 side dungeons since it does come packaged with the 6.0 patch and should be thought of in merit for base dungeon discussions. It would be a great discussion of what the 14 team thought of when designing end game content that would be repeated in the base expansion.

[@Kuribohcoast]

the Ktsis music fell out of Ragnarok Online and you're not changing my mind

[@NickLFurry]

God, I love your intros, so well put together.

[@riograndesam3540]

My only change for my personal list is swapping Vanaspati with Kitisis, Kitisis has some sections that get REALLY slow on like your 20th run, Vanaspati doesnt, plus Kitisis's gear is just a recolor from the Hero's Gauntlet, while Vanaspati has a unique set (and a very good one at that)

[@c.8292]

I get so sad doing vanispati that I take a break and skip it by just doing roulettes when I'm at the right level. The mom elephant getting despair and then dooming her kids is so sad

[@Asin24]

Really? Vanaspati has the start waiting for the mobs to spawn and the RP with the dragon and worst the part where you have to literally sit there for a long time waiting for the elphant RP to finish. Kitisis is vastly faster then that. Kitisis doesn't have parts like that to slow you down at all. I mean you can just prefer Vanaspati but if its an issue about stuff slowing down, then your absolutely wrong.

[@Rc3651]

When you said there was a C tier dungeon I was struggling to think of what it could be. I forgot Aitiascope existed lmao

[@Lutehammer]

"The Vaspati theme riffs off of the Radz at Han theme, which itself references the Endwalker theme-" "They kind of FLOW into each other" I cackled. It wasn't the intentional pun but I cackles anyway.

[@cparle87]

7:20 You were not prepared for Delta Attack. I think what you mean about Zot's monsters not blending with the location is deliberate. This is very evil Allagan tower conquering a native people. Like all the Garlean steel and tech didn't fit in Doma Castle. 12:15 I'd be down to Anima Unreal. 14:00 Vanaspati stole all of Holminster's fire. 19:52 Thank you! I am so glad I'm not the only one who is like "that is a cat not a wolf!" 23:25 Before Doubleshields got removed as a trial people would fool sprouts by hyping him up and convincing them it was a super tough fight. They would put down waymarks and signs, talk about bullshit mechanics... then mow him down in 20 seconds. The charge and the shrapnel spread move were two of those made up fanon mechanics.

[@ZekeRaiden]

I don't really have any complaints about these rankings. I think you're being pretty harsh on Aitiascope, but that's because I (like Kyle) LOVE me some Wiz Biz, and Aitiascope is full of that. I also love the _meaning_ of "aitiascope": "aitia" is the Greek root of things like the modern word "etiology," which means the "cause" of something. These days, it usually means the cause of _disease,_ but in antiquity and medieval philosophy, etiology was the study of why things are, of what caused the world to be. So "the Aitiascope" is literally the Lense of Creation.

[@jggiant4876]

I love most of the callbacks in Altiascope, but I don't like that they just did the XIVth legion subordinates as bosses. One idea I had was Livia and Rhitahtyn as the first boss together, maybe Thordan as the 2nd boss with Iceheart making her appearance there, then Amon/Asahi as the final boss with Yotsuyu showing up to assist.

[@reshypoo9447]

So funny, I felt the actual inverse. Aitiascope was the only dungeon I liked of 6.0, and my go-to (with trust) for 81-89 wondrous tails. All the other ones felt like a chore and induced an physical sigh of annoyance when they showed up. Dead Ends especially.

[@soldierorsomething]

I have bad memories about Vananaspati since on my first run i decided to heal that dungeon and ended up dying in the final boss but our group pulled through by some miracle, i felt so ashamed after that :D

[@lsschwartz]

Missed seeing one of these!

[@lsschwartz]

Also Dead Ends is probably my favorite MSQ 6.0 dungeon.

[@Colelyoe2]

I really should start looking around in dungeons more. There is so much the visuals tell you that I just haven't payed attention to.

[@SirMoribund]

FF IV was my first Final Fantasy game. I guess that is why I love Zot.

[@stevenmeredith944]

I don't disagree with the placements, but I do have to take one point of contention: Asahi showing up one last time to be a Simp even in death is just perfection.

[@789654123654789]

gonna come at you for leaving off the two post-msq dungeons. They were in the box at launch!

[@hirudemonstrife]

The only reason I'm mad is because we dont have a part two yet 😂

[@Meatallic]

Dead Ends is definitely an S tier but I wanna put it in D for not dropping the Starbird for me. Also PRAISE RA-LA \o/

[@zacharydavis3579]

Wrong about my angry. My angry is Vanaspati’s music, which is the best track of all the dungeons listed today.

[@MsSjofn]

It's stress incarnate and I fucking love it for that.

[@PipoPoppy]

Adding another comment to stand by Variant Dungeons! They're absolutely the best "normal" dungeons mechanically in Endwalker (gameplay is always king to me, everything else bonus, that might just somewhat elevate or downgrade) and I've only done all of the first one and about half+ of the second one. 5-6 really unique bosses (and not just "unique", actually fun mechanics), fun puzzles to think about that tie into some neat lore (Nanamo lore is not even the singular focus of Sil'dihn, it has Ul'Dah, the Amal'jaa and Sil'dihn lore, actually underdeveloped elements that I think really deserved that bit of focus they got). I also like them as this pretty side setpiece and it's been fantastic solo content for me to just jump into here and there until I get it done. And if I don't feel like doing the puzzle part, I just look up the solutions because the bosses are great. In terms of encounter design itself, I think in a general sense, EW dungeons are pretty generic/formulaic: there are relatively few bosses that do mechanics that are in any way unique to them. And that would be fine if these standard tropes weren't sometimes used in the least interesting way possible. An argument can be made "everything" is like this, but to me it really stood out in EW (and as it turned out, I wasn't alone in that with one of the main loud complaints that kept coming up during the EW patch cycle especially being the encounter design). For this reason, I think Tower of Zot is my favourite EW dungeon. On the opposite side, I think Ktisis and Atiascope are probably the best examples of this homogenization among the base expansion dungeons and my least favourites of the base expansion. I enjoyed them, in fact greatly enjoyed them on my first run especially (right now personally probably would rank Atiascope above Ktisis myself because I like the Rhitathyn fight and everyone paving the way for you), but there is almost nothing unique to either of those two dungeons on a gameplay level. Really pretty aesthetically and musically, cool narratively, but pretty empty otherwise and well, I'm still playing a game here. If FFXIV was just a walking simulator, this wouldn't be an issue, but at this point, it has shown it does want to be a game, as well. As said, I didn't hate any of these, but by the end and especially by the end of the EW patch dungeons, I really started to feel how everything was blending together and that kind of only happened with a bunch of the ARR optional dungeons, maybe some HW stuff. You can do fun stuff within these formula constraits (Dead Ends and Vanaspati are good examples of that to me, Zot is my favourite as just being really cool mechanically) but DT ended up being a pretty strong (and unexpected because, as said, I still enjoyed everything) breath on fresh air on my part.

[@MsSjofn]

I LOVED Asahi showing up to be a huge bitch, personally. It was entirely unexpected and I loved that he was only pissed because Amon betrayed Asahi's #1 crush, and was SO mad he was going to drag Amon down to superhell with him. Written for me, personally, apparently.

[@Spookybluelights]

I personally would have swapped Zot and Aitiascope but I mostly agree with this.

[@onetrickponysona2613]

"and when one asked 'what is the point?', there were none left to answer"

[@soulxcvzc1561]

I thought this was a pretty fair tier list. Can't wait for the Trials tier list if it hasn't been posted already.

[@JoshuaStingl]

Great video guys loved it!

[@Helbereth]

"You are such a weeb." This statement needs this response, "Thank you."

[@cindaflame]

Show you how short my attention span is: Is that a complete copy of Escaflowne!?!! GIMME!!! I loved that show!!! The music was great! And the twist of the missing sister?! *LE GASP*

[@megaten1977]

The danger of wind is not lost on me... Oh boy, talk about premonition 😂

[@danthefool21]

That sweet edited intro ❤.

[@midnightmiqo]

NGL, while the S-D ranking is more common, I miss the old categories. Also Zot, the C rank is Zot. Its easily Zot. Promo Over, back to the video.

[@midnightmiqo]

The experimented and warped boss from Stormblood dungeons not fitting in Zot is just flatly wrong. But I think, Zot is the weakest of the 6.0 Dungeons easily.

[@midnightmiqo]

It's in A?! WTF is in C?!

[@midnightmiqo]

Ohhhhh, Ok, hearing the arguments, I'm not mad about that C. I think Its more B to A personally.

[@sweetpanic705]

THE PHYSICAL WALL!🎉🎉

[@KironX1]

Man they REALLY need to do the "society" quests in endwalker and do the final alliance quest....

[@specialnewb9821]

FF4 was the first FF with real story and characters, and it holds up surprisingly well even today so I'm just going to invalidate your Zot opinions. 😉 Tbf, OG Zot was a high tech futuristic dungeon so robots made more sense. Its only in remasters/remakes that the setting changed.

[@keshxiv]

Love the video but idk who let you guys exclude the two endgame dungeons that literally came out in 6.0 in a video titled 6.0 dungeons i get separating patch ones but that line of thinking for those two dungeons isn't really hinting for me lol

[@melissab6938]

Such disrespect for the ‘Scope! But I guess I am being influenced by things outside of your criteria. Especially when I consider the music. Still, I love hugging Minfilia and saluting Hairchefant on every run. (Also, physical Wall is well done!!)

[@seekittycat]

Omg its wall time! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! 🗣️🗣️🗣️👏

[@fluoritaceles3144]

Was hard thinking which dungeon could be the C tier one seen on the promo, and when you reached Aitiascope I realized I totally forgot it exists, so yeah, def agree there. The bosses were soooooo lame, that the only thing going for the dungeon is the callbacks to the story (which you can miss while paying attention to your gameplay).

[@aozorafox]

Yay! The wall of dungeons is back! \o/