Best Patch Dungeons Ever | Endwalker FFXIV Wall of Dungeons

[@Deode-d4h]

I think my favorite little bit about Alzadaal's Legacy is the fact it's a spin on the "Dragon's Hoard." Vrtra spent many years slowly accumulating that stash of gold, not to hoard it completely, but as emergency funds when Radz-at-Han needed it.

[@seekittycat]

President Dragon numba 1!

[@GreenTeaLover12]

"I love ducks, they quack" - Kyle, 10/10 video

[@Deode-d4h]

@@GreenTeaLover12 Absolute banger quote from Kyle.

[@LithiaDargon]

Especially since you're caught up--a Wall of All the dungeons sounds amazing.

[@adrianwithane]

Or at least bangers+epics

[@LithiaDargon]

@adrianwithane Yesssssss

[@SashaTheQwaser]

Yesss. A wall of all dungeons that ended up in the middle tier or above, see how they stack up!

[@Enderlinkpawnu]

rip like all the ARR dungeons being stuck in the bottom teir lol

[@KironX1]

But in 4 days we get a new dungeon!

[@tsbulmer]

I've left a ton of comments over the years downplaying the importance of nostalgia for other FF games, but the music of Fell Court of Troia gives me *chills* because of its relationship with the original. It's dark and melancholic, very fitting for the dungeon's vibe, but the music it references, Troian Beauty, from FF4, is *such* the opposite - it's beautiful and idyllic, like a sunny day in a pristine garden with no rush or worry. It was the first time young me just put down the controller and got lost in the music. It was the epitome of major, but now, in the void-twisted ruins and corrupted garden that still hints at a paradise lost, it's the very epitome of minor. There's still an unhurriedness to it, but instead of peace and leisure, now it's the peace of emptiness. I used to be a musician, but in particular, I was an arranger, and my appreciation for this is far greater than my enjoyment of any bangers.

[@bullshooter4040]

To add a bit of context to the "midi" sounding nature of many of the FF4 reference songs. The original composer, Nobuo Uematsu has strong influences with 70's prog rock like ELP, so even many of the old FF remixes apart from the OSTs maintain that electronic synth sound. Of course, Soken, with his influences of Rock a few decades later, will happily throw in that juicy grimy guitar solo on Lunar Subterrane.

[@iantaakalla8180]

Nobuo Uematsu when he directly quotes from Eruption from Tarkus from the album Tarkus in the Run theme from FF9:

[@mortem9126]

I would love a all dungeons wall! Though just to help you along, might I suggest you add in a extra category called "Good for its time" for dungeons that were once good and great but by this point just have been outclassed by later dungeons.

[@Crashh965]

I like this idea, plus it could help squish the runtime down if it ends up being a longer video.

[@Blackart101]

I think their past wall of dungeons would already be the "good for their time wall". I think it would be better for them to just put them against each other without having to think wether they felt better 2-10 years ago

[@Rc3651]

"I wouldn't kill a puffin!" "I would not eat a puffin." "...I might try a puffin..." "I ate duck and I felt bad about it. I love ducks, they quack."

[@patrickc.52]

I would definitely watch a "Wall of All" video, but I would feel guilty asking for one. That would be exhausting to watch, let alone make, and objectively comparing dungeons designed YEARS apart seems unfair best and impossible at worst. I'm pretty sure we'll still love you guys anyway.

[@NajaSide]

Yeah, I think I agree. In a sense, I think it almost wouldn't be fair to even try doing one until the devs get all the Duty Support updates into all the dungeons, especially now that we have a better sense of which ones will absolutely be getting it in the future.

[@zenegos]

"Oh god, that boss looks like microtransactions" might be my favorite accurate burn

[@TheHyny]

Taste is subjective, but Lapis Manalis being at the bottom surprises me almost as much as Ktisis Hyperboreia being at the top. If it were up to me, I'd lift Aitiascope higher as well because I love the fact that we have ARR bosses exclusively. Having played FF1 slightly before the dungeon came out, the mere presence of Dark Elf cemented Lunar Subterrane as an S for me.

[@maracaegrizzley8734]

There's a limited set of dungeons where the first bit of business to be done is "turn the music up". The Twinning is such a dungeon. So is the Stigma Dreamscape. I find it interesting that both dungeons include the Omega motifs.

[@Xanthanarium]

The reason why Lunar Subterrane is one of my top 5 dungeons, personally, is that I love the way the progression of the song mirrors the visual progression of the dungeon.

[@MetatronM]

Much is made about the FFIV references in the EW patches, but Alzadaal's Legacy is a HUGE FFXI reference. Numerous XI references all rolled together, in fact. Those references also come from the expansion that introduced the Mamool Ja to Final Fantasy, so it's not just the visuals of the opening area of the dungeon that serve as a bit of a tease and table setting for Dawntrail. Newfound adventure, indeed.

[@lightofthelives]

36:53 love the edit LOL

[@vermillionwing]

The lopporits have some interesting conversations if you stop to see them in Smileton. One insults the other's mother, there's a stranded lopporit with a campfire on a isolated ledge and a few other bits. Also the Omnicrons are just Autobots vs Decepticons if the Decepticons won.

[@forcesinbalance5685]

Something I think is undersold here in regards to Alzadaal's Legacy is the way it brings in the trash mobs. This is not yet another dungeon where the trash packs are just standing around in the path, waiting to be slaughtered. In the first section, we have ambushers who leap out of the undergrowth. In the second, we have the rampart-portals that drag in sea creatures from outside the walls--and one of my favorite things about this mechanic is that you can _spare_ some of those sea creatures by killing the portal fast enough; you can look out through the walls after the fight and see the survivors chilling out there in the water. And in the treasure room section, we have the classic mimics, hiding in plain sight. It makes the runs between bosses more interesting, and the portals, in particular, introduce a sort of repeatable challenge element. Is it worth changing the usual tactic of grouping up the pack and AoEing it to death to focus fire on the portal? Can we kill it faster? How many creatures can we keep out of the fight this time?

[@bread7196]

This is such good xiv content. No one else is doing videos like this honestly, give it time and things will grow friends. Excited for the journey!

[@kaije7art]

Aetherfont was one of the only dungeons that I loved doing over and over again in the Expert roulette... plus the music is just soooo chilllll... so I think that one got robbed, personally.

[@Goodman_Grey]

The Wall of Walls would be a heck of an undertaking but I'd love to see it.

[@FF-tp7qs]

The implications that Emet Selch found Vrtra's stash and decided tobjust leave it alone

[@TakahataStrify]

because even an ascian is smart enough not to touch a dragon's hoard

[@mr.mystere4999]

A wall of all dungeons would be quite a challenge indeed, especially since you'd have to replay a lot of the MSQ dungeons now that the Duty Support System caused a large portion of them to need reworks both minor and major with Halatali being the first optional dungeon to get the DSS treatment this coming Tuesday.

[@Saxxybeast]

3:00 I feel like you guys would enjoy the Loporrit tribe/society quests

[@VashimuXIV]

The Lunar Subterrane was both a fantastic blast from the past as a fan of Final Fantasy 4, and being a way to cap off the climax of confronting Zeromus. From going through the portion of the moon like in FF4, to the segment of going into Golbez’s memory after in thirteenth painted such a beautiful picture of how the thirteenth is both a refrence, and it’s own thing that had a culture and a story. I know I’m biased as a lover of FF4 for a lot of what happened in post patch Endwalker, but to me, I felt it was tasteful fanservice that culminated in our decisive battle with Zeromus. Does it get repetitive on subsequent runs? Yes, of course. But that first time was unforgettable to me. Perhaps I’m just clapping because I recognize it - I would’ve lost my shit if there was anything to do with Cecil and the main party - though that’s sort of what Zero does, but I had so much fun going through it for the first time.

[@skaldi8347]

These kind of videos are my favorite, feels like hanging out with you guys!

[@tsbulmer]

A wall of all dungeons? That sounds some sohm wall!

[@katemock8260]

I love the music from the Aetherfont so much I have it playing on my island.

[@cparle87]

12:15 Now that I think about it, yeah. The final eye boss could've socketed himself into to some crazy giant robot suit to really escalate on the end. 35:05 "I love ducks. They quack." Another glimpse into the mind of Kyle Fergusson. 40:42 The intro riff in that dungeon will never not make me jerk in my seat when it comes up.

[@taranstones1798]

My poor Lapis Manalis ;) I think it's my favorite non-leveling dungeon of all (best leveling dungeon goes to Origenics, what an insane dungeon). But a lot of the reason I like Lapis Manalis is due to my own WoL's backstory being half-Garlean and stuff so it gets a ton of unfair bonus points. But the bosses are great, the vibes are incredible, and the music is phenomenal. I love every bit of this dungeon, and I never got sick/bored of it despite getting it a ton from on-content daily roulettes, which I definitely can't say about Alzadaal, Troia, or Aetherfont. I can see why you don't enjoy it as much as me though, and it's your list after all!

[@SuperMoRangeT]

26:54 Looks like Garrett hasn't talked to his doctor about Xelphatol.

[@katarh]

Alzadaal was my personal Nostalgia dungeon, since Alzadaal Undersea Ruins was a raid zone in FFXI! And most of the monsters in this dungeon were straight from FFXI.

[@LamhirhAbriel]

The AUR wasn't really a raid zone so much as the waiting room that lead to Nyzul Isle and Salvage. All of the subzones in the FF14 dungeon are named for the Salvage zones, though.

[@Dreded100]

All I know is for the (far to many it felt) months when the Expert Roulette was Aetherfont and Lunar, I'd much rather get Aetherfont than Lunar. I was so sick of running Lunar after the first couple times. Could just be the music though, now that I think about it.

[@Deuzen_FIN]

Fell Court of Troia has such a classic FF dungeon vibe to me that I cannot help but adore it.

[@onyx.avenger]

Having listened to several of these, I really do like the grade range for "How happy/unhappy would you be to get this in roulette?" I think it pretty accurately sums the grades for aesthetics, mechanics, and music together.

[@GimmeTOKYO]

“You changed eScape!” Well they used the primals’ arrangement which had been out for a while now 😅

[@Veishan]

30:15 Reaper main here, we love our Lolita training doll named after Pygmalion's statue, and we are never okay 👍

[@FF-tp7qs]

@@Veishan I think the implication is that Galatea used to have more clothing, but decades of abandonment meant they had fallen apart

[@ChrisMorray]

"I can't count to 4, if I want to keep uptime on the boss" -Garrett. Honestly I can't believe you're not a Savage raider yet. My blind Savage raid group has the same issue still, this tier I gave my static the homework to "watch Sesame Street" and we're still messing up on left/right and counting to 4. The way you guys did Extremes, I think you guys could easily have a Drak Gamestein kind of situation where you just compile your prog sessions into hilarious videos. And trust me when I say from a personal level: Anyone who puts in the time can clear any content in this game. I started this game, never expecting to A full wall of all dungeons would be fun! Lotta work on your end, but I'm interested to see the full look back from "I sure as shit am not playing Final Fantasy" to "What the hell happens in Endwalker?".

[@GarlyleWilds]

As someone who did a ranking of all 90 pre-DT dungeons I would *absolutely* watch you try to shove them all together into a shared board, especially to see how your opinions of the older dungeons have changed with the perspective of current ones.

[@ZekeRaiden]

Only dungeon I feel got "robbed," other than my previous grumbles about Aitiascope, is Fell Court...and that only because I looooooooove the music. It's one of my favorite tracks in Endwalker, and yes, I *have* just vibed out while listening to it on repeat (mostly while cooking dinner.) It has it all: harpsichord, harp, violin, OBOE! It is just...chef's kiss of "stately menace and wistful nobility."

[@Mah_Boiiii]

Yay getting close to EVERY dungeon! I'd love to see the total of ALL dungeons in the game for yall. Might even need to make additional tiers just so they can fit and not be too squished. Love it!

[@Qemdoulum]

Absolutely love the Wall of Dungeons videos and the transition to physical wall has been incredible.

[@Tsuna_SoulSilver]

I really missed the wall of dungeons! Also this is one of my favourite thumbnails by far from you guys :3

[@NakuruKouChannel]

Wall of ALL the dungeons means that most if not all the ARR and HW stuff are gonna go into the gutter 😭 thanks for not making dawntrail videos yet, i'm still catching up on msq! love yall's content as always!

[@serisothikos]

A wall of walls would be extremely cool watching. And as for the patch dungeons, Smileton and Troia are some of my favorite places in the game. The way Troia in particular unveils its visuals... perfect. e: Realizing I have an additional metric to what you two use, which is the quality of the glamour options I can farm from it. Troia's gear is gorgeous, despite being undyeable.

[@Demonmack0]

The amoutn of work it would take to add ALL dungeons together would be nuts, but I'd watch it :D

[@Demonmack0]

disagree on lunar being S, azdaj's legacy should be there :D

[@temisu_namisu]

​@@Demonmack0Lunar gets an S for me because I love everything about it. To use their system, the vibes are excellent, the music works very well across it and the bosses are a lot of fun to maximise on for me. Alzadaal is a solid upper A (I called this A+). I love everything about this as well (it pleases my XI nostalgia bone) but I just wish the last boss went harder. It has a cute gimmick but I needed more from it, it's too simplistic. If you're going to stop my damage, the mechanic has to be strong and interesting.

[@josiahneff3272]

I had to pause the video to go listen to Troian Beauty in the pixel remaster. The arrangement is so good, I’ll often fire up the game just to play it.

[@ngwoo]

Can't help but think the Wall of All would just be a list of dungeons tiered by expansion with a small handful of exceptions. Might be a more interesting video to point out which dungeons you feel punch above their weight and compete with the quality of the ones in future expansions, and which old ones did unique stuff you'd like to see come back.

[@BananaMellor]

Regarding hallway bosses, i think the guys mentioned Sohm Al but meant Sohr Khai.

[@RedLuigiGames]

I think all the "This dungeon is also a memory of what led us here" dungeons are S tier. Dead ends, Lunar, and now Alexandria. Its just so cool.

[@Izanagi22]

Wall of All would be something I'd look forward to watching a lot now that you're caught up. Would've wanted higher for Aetherfont ended up since that is a top 3 dungeon for me personally, especially when it was a regular for roulettes, but I can live with B. Peak vibes, chill music and fun bosses, and the devs knew they cooked when they had you go back and explore more of it in 6.55.

[@TrajanMoore]

Just finished the vod for last night and am so ready for more GG!

[@KillerChairYT]

Zot getting the respect it deserves ;)

[@evrfreez]

Regarding the verticality and looking DOWN that Kyle brought up come Aetherfont, there ARE a couple other dungeons that do it. Sohm Al (Hard) and Pharos Sirius (Hard) are the first that come to mind. Maybe you don't feel like it happens often because they're optional unlockables, and thus less likely to get them on roulette.. sadly, cuz they're cool (especially Sohm Al (Hard) whose music I can't get enough of).

[@riaglitta]

WALL OF ALL I mean yes, but I just like saying that phrase, it's satisfying

[@ILoveJamesFelt]

Am addition i would suggest for the wall of all, would be a columned section off to the right of dungeons that were ounching way above their weight class per expansion, otherwise, i feel pretty confident that with few exceptions your tiers will pretty much follow the release order of expansions.

[@cgeist]

i never comment, but i just want to say, i love the picture you guys have for the support our bromance site, its perfect.

[@sonnyson01]

Always happy to see my character shown in the vods

[@docf8202]

This is so nice, I love it. It's like watching GMM but for FFXIV. What more can i ask?

[@temisu_namisu]

As long as it doesn't lead to videos of vasectomies and colonoscopies. That's on brand for Rhett and Link but not here 😂 I do love duos, though.

[@docf8202]

@temisu_namisu since they already reach current content, sooner or later they will need need something to pad for contents, so i wont be surprised if they do that. But yeah suprising for me watching duo is really fun overall.

[@catzalotATJ]

Lunar Subterrane has my favorite dungeon boss in the whole game (Durante), i love the music and vibes too. But my fave of the endwalker dungeons is probably toia. The twisting halls, the music (oncluding the ff4 boss theme which i think is way bettwr than endwalkers normal final boss theme) the weird trash, and as a scholar i love the trashpack boss cause i can melt it with art of war.

[@arashisora1073]

since they've basically made the story of the hydaelyn zodiark saga a start and stop point before dawntrail has started the next saga, a wall of all pre 7.0 dungeons would be good to see

[@barivius]

Please do the mashup. In the early days of these, I found that interesting to see which musty old consent held its own over time.

[@drewmalekith4614]

glad watching you with premium is helpful! keep up the good work gents!

[@Kalamir5]

Bird Dungeon is Heavenward, not ARR. Lunar is a reference song, so is the square pillars thing.

[@ChakatSilverstreak]

@Grinding Gear Garrett if you love Omega so much, you need to do the Omicron tribals from Endwalker! Level 80 Gathering (Fisher, Botanist, or Miner) required, but it's good lore.

[@Naoto-kun1085]

Though the quality of post-Endwalker dungeons are quite controversial, I personally enjoyed all of them and enjoyed running them a lot!

[@seekittycat]

Look at that thumbnail 👏👏👏

[@keelhaulsthingsthatdontmatter]

I don't necessarily disagree with the list, but it's not how I felt. I must confess, I loved Troia initially. I did it in Duty Support with the NPCs and took my time, looking at all details and speculating on how all of it would be relevant later. I was sort of confused as to why so much of it ended up not mattering later, and when I found out it was mostly an FF4 reference, it kind of soured my enthusiasm because if the details exist purely as a reference, and not anything you'll need to know for later, it's kind of just empty lore? So when I got to Lunar Subterene, I was pretty unenthusiastic because I knew every strange thing was just *yet another* FF4 reference, and not lore that would have any meaning. It's petty, but that Antlion in particular bothers me because he has two FF14 ant minions right before the fight, and yet he looks *drastically* different like a completely different species. But I knew better than to think "Oh is this because..." since the answer was just "No, it's just a reference to FF4". I think there's a sweet spot to balance between "being a reference" and "using only new material" and I do think the patches of EW leaned too heavily on "being a reference" to the point where I considered it a detriment to both the story and the aesthetics at times. It's not as bad as the Ivalice Raids, but still bad enough that it killed a lot of motivation for me by the second half of EW's patches. Though I did love Aetherfont, since that actually felt like an FF14 setting, rather than a reference. Maybe it actually was a reference, but it fooled me if so, which is the spot the game *should* aim to be in, IMO. It also slightly soured me retroactively on some of the leveling dungeons as well - like why the hell was the Garlean primal just a weird monster that looks like that called Anima? There isn't a lore reason, it's just "FF4 had Anima". And that just feels hollow. So yeah, harsh as it sounds, the EW patches made me like EW *less* not more. Not to such a degree that I hate the expansion or anything (I still do love it), but parts of it do feel cheaper to me now. It's a good thing I'm one of the (few?) people who actually really liked Dawntrail start to finish, or I'd probably be much more frustrated regarding the story than I am now.

[@VarriskKhanaar]

29:30 That's because Tanks can only count to 3.

[@Mitsuhide82]

If you do a 'Wall of Every Dungeon". Maybe you could do something special and make little picture magnets of the dungeon name plates. Maybe it'll turn into a weird collage?

[@alibutterfly82]

This hating on the FFIV music hurts my soul, since that was my original OG favorite FF game ;_; Anyway, solid rankings. Of these ones, for me, my favorites to run were probably The Fell Court of Troia (featuring probably my favorite track from IV but shifted to a minor/spooky key) as well as the Lunar Subterrane. For me, those were the ones I never got sick of running. Alzadaal's Legacy and Lapis Manalis really started to grind on me after a while, on the other hand, whenever they were in the regular Expert Roulette rotation.

[@altansipdrae2759]

It's less using flow and more using sharlayan's theme

[@LepWho]

I love this format so much

[@snapple4pple]

loving the dungeon rankings

[@wolfair]

as others here have said, we do want SOME kind of Wall of All type of video. maybe it's best of the best, maybe just VIBE CHECK wall, or maybe a straight up music wall of dungeons to compare some stuff that gets lot less attention then Raid Boss themes do. but, no matter what you will decide to do - more GG is always better than no GG.

[@midnightmiqo]

I think (20 minutes in) that the inner category rankings should go left to right, just to make it easier to see visually which you think is a stronger A vs a weaker one. Also you have a lot more space left and right than up and down if you have a crowded field. (It also works like this on most online rankers, so the audience already has a shared language on viewing it)

[@midnightmiqo]

Oh, I think you guys literally changed your orientation as soon as I paused, of course lol.

[@midnightmiqo]

No, I was wrong, you're still going top of A being at top.

[@lukeeoff2177]

Maybe a "Wall of Expansions' Dungeons" where you rank ARR, HW, STB, SHB, EW, and DT by their dungeons. Trials too, maybe.

[@aetherwind3884]

My suggestion for Ooops All Dungeons: Wall of Dungeons. Take it in parts by current ranking. I think you could possibly do it in 3 videos. Vid 1: Best of the mid. Here you debate all the Grindable and Banger dungeons. Vid 2: Worst of the Worst. Here you debate Maybe not the Best and Could be Cooler. Vid 3: What is epic? Here you just debate the dungeons in Epic.

[@heylookitsnana]

I think a hall of fame and doing all A and S tier dungeons would be nice, otherwise you'll be downgrading old good dungeons and may make a very negative experience. You could reframe the tier list for As/S on different metrics. Maybe actually consider story only for this special A/S tier. Maybe just put "personal impact" because these were all amazing.

[@KMCA779]

I think a Total Wall of Dungeons would be... interesting but only in which dungeons break from the grouping of their expansions.

[@andilus]

+1 for wall of all dungeons! Even if it takes like 6 parts to do.

[@Enderlinkpawnu]

My least favorite part of the last boss of Lunar subterrane is that he goes like "You weathered this before, lets see how you fare now!" Homie its been literally like a minute.

[@itschmadam]

Kyle's hair is sending me, werk king

[@mosselyn5081]

For me, Fell Court and Vanaspati would be higher, probably primarily based on vibes. Lapis is pretty, but all the fights are serious snooze fests and the music sounds like shopping mall muzak, so it's a D or low C for me. Ktisis is probably a C for me; the setting and story framing are cool, but I didn't think they made the best use of the biome transitions, and I have never been able to get the last boss fight down, so I want to weep every time I get it in roulettes. Honestly, though, none of them suck. I just wish expert roulette didn't work the way it does so you don't doomed to doing the same 2 dungeons at a time, over, and over, and over for months.

[@TheDeliciousMystery]

Welcome back to Half in the Bag XIV edition.

[@answer131313]

"Riot ass bear" You mean he looks like VOlibear the league of legends champion? if so, then yes, he does.

[@samyie3279]

The theme of today’s video is floof. 😊

[@ericmoll1530]

All the Dungeons, we must have it.

[@JohnDCrafton]

square pillars in lunar subterrane make more sense if you've played FFIV

[@Adu767]

I'm with Garrett on this one, we've seen enough of the kraken model. I don't really care that this one is obviously the best one, I've had to run the other Krakens enough times to be bored of it by default.

[@ChakatSilverstreak]

I'll check this out in a bit. I really need a pick-me-up, just got laid off. is not into that. 😭😭

[@In-Midnight-Clad]

I main Reaper lmao. Love me some edgy scythe peeps and loved the training doll and lore drops

[@Aluny]

Good evening my east european brethren

[@temisu_namisu]

Adding to my comment on the other video. S: Dead Ends, Stigma, Lunar A+: Ktisis, Smileton, Alzadaal A: Vanaspati, Troia B: Aitiascope, Babil, Lapis, Aetherfont C: Zot I would put Zot lower but the bosses hold it up. The aesthetics don't do much for me and I hate the music.

[@Ephlanuist]

The reapers didn't design the weird training dummy sex doll. That would be the infamous Gridanian Goldsmith. Potentially not Gridanian at all but Garlean the whole time,.

[@godofgames1359]

you guys said often times you would do a dungeon multiple times. now I would like to know if these dungeon were endcontent and necessary for gearing for you, would that change your opinion about them?

[@clangauss4155]

I wish I liked Zot as much as y'all! Killing the final bosses in order was something no random group I ever got in roulettes could do on the first few months of it coming out and I just can't stand how long it took to click. Forever tainted.

[@XOYamiOX]

I WAS WAITING FOR THIS❤

[@JoshuaStingl]

Don't know what you got until it's Zot.

[@Ghosthitman387]

Aetherfont is the shit! My favorite dungeon in EW

[@jduc005]

Pitch for wall of walls: no grades, rapid fire, just best to worst.

[@JoshuaStingl]

Part 2 Excellent!