How Does Bungie Follow up Prismatic?

Today we're talking Prismatic, and questioning how in the world Bungie is going to follow up on a subclass that offers us everything.
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[@Karuvatto]

"No ones going to be rocking the other subclasses" LFG: Well or kick

[@simplyfitness892]

Well getting nerfed.

[@madeindade4168]

Dat part...riding them warlocks coat tails

[@termlesscipher8045]

Yeah. Im sick of running well in every bit of content or having my team abandon or kick me

[@kano4282]

Shit on warlocks for being dress wearing sissies but a must have in a fireteam.

[@Karuvatto]

@@simplyfitness892 They'll have to hit it very, very hard for it to not be considered mandatory for common groups.

[@Churro_EYT]

I still want one more Darkness Subclass.....make it 3 and 3

[@SentinelStudios1]

Honestly, I'd be surprised if they didn't add one somewhere down the line

[@DredgensVein]

They have to. There has been way too much stuff about balance between light and dark in the series the whole time. It would on make sense

[@Lorentz_Driver]

I mean they kinda have to, with their fondness of 7.

[@TheprophetDJ]

Same I really would have loved a 3rd darkness subclass

[@Ax-xN]

Dude they made prismatic in the last 6 months I guarantee you it’s literally all reused stuff

[@zunny9040]

I just love how prismatic is basically just our guardian with a mario star

[@parox703f3]

More like the player character getting closer to being the canon guardian

[@readyforlol]

The thing is : adding different subclasses also improves prismatic. If they create a new subclass and throw in a couple abilities that combo with other classes for prismatic, it would still be a welcome addition, regardless of how much better prismatic is better than the subclass itself.

[@SgtDonut]

We needed a final darkness subclass to finish the light and dark saga. Prismatic would be a perfect way to connect everything we had and put all of the light and dark together as one finished subclass

[@Cabbage22927]

Bungie ruined it by dumbing down the subclasses in the first place In d2 vanilla.

[@douglaswalker7707]

i mean not really, its not a new subclass, its just the ability to use multiple subclasses at once, actually connected light and dark would be released one full brand new darkness subclass to complete the yin and yang trifecta

[@lightningjuniorsuper]

⁠@@Cabbage22927I mean d1 subclasses once solved had 1 or 2 set ups and that’s it It’s not exactly diverse

[@RubyRoseStacia]

Ooo I definitely like this idea a lot! We got light: arc, solar, void. Dark: stasis, strand , darkness subclass 3. Then have prismatic later on to connect the light and dark

[@NorthSeaRaider]

That’s what it is. There is no other darkness subclass.

[@edgetransit]

Need me that Stasis rework and 2nd super update before final shape.

[@dezman311]

Yeah, stasis having one super for 3 years is pretty rough, especially since light subclasses were brought up throughout witch queen.

[@jeremykeen7515]

i think that’s why they’re making stasis free to play, they didn’t want to buff the subclass that the fewest players have access to

[@crossyfirezx9659]

Already made a list of Supers lol

[@CurryBoy17]

​@@jeremykeen7515Isn't stasis going to be removed once the free dlc access end? To ehoever didn't purchase it I mean

[@jeremykeen7515]

@@CurryBoy17 no they’ve said the shadowkeep and beyond light campaigns will remain free-to-play after the final shape, including stasis. they will be selling a bundle with the exotics and dungeons from those expansions though

[@falconmcfalconface1858]

Im hoping that theres some surprise final darkness element that we end up finding or getting. It feels so weird not getting 3 dark subclasses. I like prismatic, but its still just so strange to not have 3 light, 3 dark, and then prismatic be the balance. It'd match up with bungie's whole "7" thing too.

[@angelousmortis8041]

If Bungie managed to keep not just Prismatic a secret but a Non-Red Third Darkness Subclass as well, that would be absolutely WILD.

[@hamsterpixel]

I’m almost certain that a third darkness subclass has been Bungie’s plan since beyond light and they just rushed prismatic forward so the game didn’t die.

[@Exhalted1]

Darkness subclass would take a lot of resources, prismatic means they do not have to make new 'darkness' assets, abilities, animations...they can just reuse it with a pink effect

[@falconmcfalconface1858]

@@Exhalted1 Oh for sure, i vaguely remember reading an article where they mentioned that it takes about a year to fully develop a new element so yeah i can totally see why Prismatic isn't a new element and is instead just a amalgamation of all the ones we have

[@falconmcfalconface1858]

@@hamsterpixel Honestly? Probably. I saw something about the dude who predicted or leaked that saying it was from D3 and was pulled into FS to add more content to it. No clue how legit that is but dude called it "prism" a full MONTH before we got the reveal of it. Man nailed the name

[@lucasrouille3794]

This is gonna sound pretty wild but im thinking about including ghosts inside of combat. Imagine if your ghost could scan enemies so they take more precision damage, or cast a wide aoe blind, healing auras, etc. This idea probably wont land but it's definitely something to think about

[@raekwonchambers2297]

I always wanted my ghost to ping high value targets for me n my teammates and maybe having customaizable voices like halo infinite has them would be cool n just more utility stuff like maybe put ammo finder mods on the ghost

[@CadeMead77]

​@@raekwonchambers2297 I would love a ghost with a female voice lol, I miss that part of COO when we had sagira short as it was lol

[@kalebanderson7483]

With what button

[@theawesomesausage]

That sounds like suicide from a lore perspective. I immediately imagined Fallout systems

[@Geist7920]

That didn't work for cayde

[@beachtrooper5884]

prismatic is the definition of: "random bullshit go" but taken to the next level

[@absentstars474]

Reused assets: the subclass

[@Diehardgamer2001]

This games already random bullshit go with some of the ability spam with some setups, im down for randomer bullshit go at this point😂

[@christhiantrevisan8084]

I still want my red subclass 😢

[@iamboringvideos6832]

@@absentstars474 i think that is how it works for mixing all the subclasses into one, if you needed to know.

[@absentstars474]

@@iamboringvideos6832 i think thats how it works when you use something then use it again, if you needed to know.

[@christopherthompson9642]

We still need to have another [darkness] subclass. Remember, Bungie loves the number 7.

[@myles5276]

I have a hunch we might get it during this next year. But who knows I have a feeling there is plenty we haven't seen.

[@jasonungor2168]

They said fuck that we’re done. This is #7. Now you can play marathon when it comes out

[@JJHype]

The OCD in me needs another Darkness subclass to be even with Light subclass. 3 light & 3 dark.

[@hooky17]

Who says we need one? I think that ship sailed a long time ago

[@Exhalted1]

They won't we have 1 single empty slot for a subclass and prismatic is it, its such a genius move by bungie cus they just reused all the abilities and don't have to animate or make new ones lol like a darkness one would

[@dannyynnad3319]

My guess for D3 is that if the rumor about all the classes being combined becomes true, is that we also can play as fallen and either hive or cabel. The hive already have the light and the fallen are mostly to get it.

[@ParisPK]

That would be an amazing concept ngl. I wanna play in the shoes of a hive or cabal

[@yemonaid53]

Aspects, fragments, and new supers can keep the original subclasses fresh. But I still think it's also important for prismatic to grow with new transcendent grenades and hopefully melees.

[@joshnoble8248]

My expectation is that over the course of the 3 episodes, more of what we have on individual subclasses will be added to prismatic ultimately resulting in everything being available. And with Destiny 3, we head into the territory of having no subclasses at all and just ability choices.

[@snoopyer7]

I’d rather keep individual subclasses to be the master of that class and prismatic be the jack of all trades master of none class

[@lazaruseffect_]

@@snoopyer7that’s the thing, you could build out the old classes if what this guy says is true. You wanna make your perfect fully void build? You can do that. You wanna mix and match? You can do that too.

[@FrostReach66]

Really doubt that. I can see them adding more things to prismatic, but not the whole subclass, as then the individuals are pointless.

[@touchofmalice2617]

@@FrostReach66agreed, additional subclasses will likely have to expand into new areas of power (if there are any), some examples might be super soldier/hardware/weaponry type focus or alternatively a power that runs parallel to light/dark

[@FrostReach66]

@@touchofmalice2617 more like additional, as in one. That red subclass was leaked and I expect we get that eventually, by which it will then integrate into prismatic. 3 dark, 3 light, 1 combination. That would be 7 and we know Bungie loves that number, so it’d make sense

[@ShadowDreamer100]

Lore wise every guardian can use any ability, it’s up to the guardian what philosophy and forms (think like in martial arts) they study and master. I’d be okay with them doing that in the mechanics too. Why not?

[@dylanr.cerezo4325]

True though I do also like the class identity aspect. Light 3.0 already kinda homogenized things (I'm a titan main but ex: specialized roles like support solar lock are a shadow of their former selves). Some light class crossover, maybe revolving around class abilities, could be neat, akin to how we now have access to all grenade types.

[@pch1370]

@@dylanr.cerezo4325 I miss being able to throw healing granades at like every second. It was really funny.

[@ShadowDreamer100]

@@dylanr.cerezo4325 I wouldn't mind furthering the mantra of being a mastery of a martial form by increasing potency of abilities of certain philosophies (ie warlock, titan, hunter) the more often you use/adhere to those philosophies. It would let you main into a certain class and become more powerful compared to being a jack of all trades, but give the flexibility of being a Hunter/Titan hybrid or something similar to draw from a larger pool of abilities and builds.

[@Ysl489]

Easy solution: whenever u add a new subclass u include some parts in prismatic. Over time more abilities/exotics become available for prismatic. Balance stuff so, prismatic is not the only option to use (stuff will be substantially worse than in the default kit) make it the jack of all trades/buildcrafter subclass.

[@Jakepopper01]

8:14 I actually really hope this ends up being the ultimate goal of prismatic. Make it so there are no subclasses but we still have access to all our abilities. That being said, if they end up doing this, I’d hope they would add some more synergy for using the same element across the board (i.e. all solar abilities means radiant gives 10% more damage than normal or solar weapons have intrinsic scorching rounds, all stasis gives the “hail the storm” perk from the current artifact as an intrinsic, all void gives overshields double health, etc.). That’s probably more of a D3 change but if that’s where we’re headed with prismatic, then I’m completely on board.

[@ghanaria7996]

I agree, but i would go further than that. Have prismatic as the “default” subclass and build everything around that. It should be a give and take: either mix a dark and light subclass to get transcendence buffs, or have a mostly one subclass for increased synergy. I guess that’s what you kinda said tho lol.

[@hamsterpixel]

This. I love the idea of the flexibility of prismatic, but an important part of destiny is the distinct identities of the different subclasses in both gameplay and lore (my favourite example of this is some of the voidwalker lore, especially from D1), so even in a full prismatic system, there should be incentive to ‘specialise’ is specific elements.

[@ynotfazio]

Great idea. Love this

[@Soon22400]

I really want to see them go the Prismatic route if we do get a D3. Literally just drop all subclasses and just give us 1 screen with all the abilities form all the elements to make our Guardians the way we want. If I wanna run a mono Solar build let me, If I wanna run some mix n matched monstrosity let me.

[@gamingoverlord8854]

Hearing this made me worry a bit because it'd be the perfect excuse to drop so many of our favorite aspects. Re-creating all of our subclasses would be a bunch of work so I could see them doing this to cut corners

[@ExtraordinaryFate]

I do believe this is the ground work for D3, just a complete overhaul - drop the subclasses, maybe keep the classes themselves but even then that could change,

[@AurelieAris]

If Prismatic is an advanced subclass as Bungie says, I do think they'll just be putting extra work when making new subclasses as they'll all retroactively make Prismatic a more in depth subclass, which is pretty rad I think. Kinda like how in Smash they gotta also add a little something to Kirby whenever they make a new character, except much much more complicated lol

[@Exhalted1]

They won't make more subclasses, we have 6 slots total and this is the last, and bungie went for prismatic over darkness subclass as they could reuse all the assets and abilities instead of making wholly new ones which would take more effort, right now its old abil + pink effect

[@aurarus5140]

I’m praying that prismatic is the beta of destiny 3 format where we are customizing our builds way more as a overhaul of subclasses as a whole

[@RedOfFlames]

As a Hunter main, all I can think abt right now is how absurd the idea of spirit of Caliban’s Hand is… can I cause ignitions when I use combination blow? Can you trigger it multiple times when Threaded Needle or shuriken bounce? Like… what the heck are some of these gonna feel like bc waow

[@SirOtterz]

People jump out and say “this is weak” because they don’t understand the concept of making a build

[@woodyblock]

lol it’s so true. Nothing self reports someone faster than not understanding how unbelievably insane prismatic actually is.

[@SirOtterz]

@@woodyblock right. Don’t get me wrong, they definitely purposely left out some of the serious juice aspects. But even what we have coming, it’s going to be nutty. Not to mention the guns and how they will play into the builds.

[@reggielacey2235]

Nobody cares about "builds"

[@FC_mania]

@@reggielacey2235the sheer audacity to comment this under a Aztecross video

[@schizophrenicbullfrog]

Nah, this dude probs asks for carries in lfg. Aka adclear if he don't fw build crafting ​@reggielacey2235

[@BombStars]

I would love to see more gun archetypes: like an aggressive frame auto, maybe a special ammo linear that’s an adaptive frame, something like that

[@eevee9342]

They are kinda doing that? Rocket Sidearms, Support Auto Rifles, Glaives. At a low pace it's true, but they're trying

[@iponce2]

Bolt action anti materiel snipers in the heavy slot. That's my far flung hope, I also want more cool guns lol

[@BombStars]

@@eevee9342 I mean yeah and I’ve been loving the new guns (or the different take on old guns). wardens law is what got me to think bungie can bring new archetypes to the game that are fun to play with.

[@John-nj6xl]

Personally I'd like for them to bring back 900rpm autos but I know they won't. It was one of my favourite archetypes in d1 I miss my soulstealers claw and doctrine of passing 😅😅

[@nathanflinchum1153]

@@John-nj6xlsoulstealers claw was my absolute favorite weapon in the game tbh, but new monarchy sold the Assembly II with a lot of stability perks and that thing was an absolute LASER lmao

[@NicholasFreeman2005]

I do expect them to add a 3rd darkness subclass and have it added to prismatic so that there are 3 dark and 3 light. And maybe then add more light and dark powers in the future

[@seanrogers4948]

I really like this video format. It is a nice shakeup! Keep this up!

[@Alckee6904]

Had bungie added a forge game mode years ago pvp would be poppin. So many of this games shortcoming can be amended with Forge. Bungie can ALWAYS pay creators and add a bungie polish with actual loot incentives if it passes their quality threshholds.

[@wolfmcsnipes4192]

Make the little forge ball be the Ghost

[@KaiHarizor]

Must be Sunday! Another Destiny is in trouble video title from Cross.

[@ButteLicher]

gotta get those grift numbers up!

[@Guile_The_Exile]

A KZbin content creator making CONTENT?! HOW DARE HE?... 😐

[@utah710]

Boys I just got my flawless witch queen on “the ghosts” let’s go

[@heroicxidiot]

Didn't know "How does Bungie follow up from Prismatic?" Is a Destiny is in trouble title

[@ButteLicher]

@@Guile_The_Exile leave it to the Destiny community to consider reposting the same shit over and over content lmao.

[@GDAntares]

To be fair man, the community has very vocal for the longest time against the statement Bungie made on not wanting to overdeliver. It genuinely seems that they have done away with that mindset, and now that they are overdelivering, the community is echoing the same worries that bungie was trying to express in the first place.

[@CannonFodder84]

I think the pull of a new subclass or power is enough to keep things fresh, especially if they add new aspects and fragments that are entirely unique and do MORE than prismatic. Prismatic being its own thing can co-exist with new things and old. Bungie just needs to keep them all relevant.

[@alannorton8131]

Still want a taken subclass . And sounds like the veil reveal stuff on neamuna is leading to who created the vex and probably going to turn her into a borg(vex) queen kinda story

[@DarthLevicor]

yes pls bungo taken subclass 🙏

[@LSB44446]

Taken subclass makes no sense though. And lore wise, none of our subclasses are "evil" and Taken is basically slavery lol

[@Nova_Jan]

I wanted a hive magic subclass.

[@angelousmortis8041]

@@LSB44446 We killed Oryx and have a Right to the Taken King's Throne, how does a Taken Subclass make no sense?! It literally makes PERFECT sense. And it's not slavery. It's a "Deal with the Devil" situation. You can't force Taking, as far as we know, it has always been described Oryx making an offer of Power to those he's Taking and them accepting and being remade. Aiat.

[@angelousmortis8041]

@@Nova_Jan Aiat.

[@RebelOfTheNorm242]

Resonence. The gravity darkness sublacss. Thats what we need* Solar/Stasis Arc/strand Void/Resonance Make it Whole Bungie

[@charlesafonso5567]

Light is the physical, Dark is the not physical.... Solar is heat. (Physical) Stasis is absence of heat.(not physical) Void is the in infinite of space. (Physical) Strand is the unlimited mind.(not physical) Arc is conducting life.(Physical) The opposing of life is death.(not physical) People love to correlate Arc/Strand but they wrong.

[@Brrrstrument]

cool thing tho, the color for stasis is the inverted version of the solar color scheme, strand is the inverse color of void, and guess what? the inverse color of arc is red.

[@bestwaifu3852]

Resonance is basically pure Darkness the same way the white energy we see sometimes is pure Light (ex; the beam the Traveler shot). I see those as the true counterparts of each other, so if we got Resonance then we'd have to get that Light power too. Plus, Void is already the "gravity" subclass.

[@RebelOfTheNorm242]

@@bestwaifu3852 id nickpick to say void is the 'volatile' gravity subclass. While resonance, I would say is more of a 'constructive' gravity form...stability, neutralization, grounded and inert. But that's just my head cannon.

[@gagewatters5565]

Something that could potentially be neat in the future is subclass augments. Like things that can be added to your existing subclasses that aren’t necessarily paracausal. Like boosting yourself with siva or hive magic that adds some extra depth to build crafting.

[@Nownadda]

I personally believe prismatic was meant for D3. However, preorders weren’t as high as they needed and Sony told them they better do something. So they decided to give us the early state and somewhat tested build of the new “sub class”. I believe this was going to be the ultimate selling point for D3 and then getting rid of subclasses and allowing freedom. That said, where do they go now….

[@darthrevan5707]

I think they will add on other subclasses and put some of that stuff into prismatic. Would make the most sense to me

[@BrainWasherAttendent]

Completely disagree that you can’t follow up prismatic with a new subclass. That is just objectively silly to suggest.

[@dukeofhazard420]

Personally I want to wield whatever darkness energy that golden resonance stuff the disciples and pyramids use is

[@shrek_yourself]

prismatic makes the entire concept of subclass, and even classes as a whole, almost irrelevant. you can't followup prismatic with a subclass in the traditional sense.... but you can follow it up by blowing up the system of subclasses and instead make everything a mix and match sandbox where everything is available for any class. from a narrative perspective that's probably where D2 is going.... destroying the dogma of vanguard and subclasses in general

[@Adamabe1221]

on our way to becoming lore accurate guardians

[@fazel1264]

I think the way they follow this up is by fully unlocking subclasses and turning gaurdians into “prismatic gaurdians” where we have full customization over prismatic with all supers, abilities, aspects, and fragments. Then as a means to follow up we discover new abilities within prismatic going forward

[@ilikealmondmilkyeet1441]

i really just want an actual third darkness subclass like imagine a resonance subclass hell even a siva subclass

[@ButteLicher]

how many post final shape concerns video is this dude gonna make?

[@bantasanta8928]

right right, here me out, a darkness subclass called vacuity, vacuity meaning essentially emptiness, specifically of the mind ( darkness is tied to the mind, light to the body), and it is the inverse of prismatic. instead of having a bunch of different abilities from our other subclasses with their own elements, what about a subclass with no real element? So you would for instance have say a bunch of preset grenades for example, like a tripmine a wall and a sticky, but none of them have an element. Instead, you decide what element you want them to be. Instead of prismatic, which is a jack of all trades that you build around, Vacuity is a wildcard that builds around you and what you want it to do. it simultaneously has synergy with everything and nothing at once. From a lore standpoint, darkness is about having mastery over control, so as our darkness mastery class, the antithesis to prismatic, what better than having absolute control over the elements? Do give me any feedback you have on the idea though, as i thought of it during this video and havent really thought about it and would love to hear what yall think

[@colonelswoleders4559]

That's a super cool idea, though Prismatic is specifically the pinnacle of balance between light and dark, not just mastery of light

[@crossyfirezx9659]

Yeah because I have an idea of what the 3rd Darkness element should be(destruction). What you said was the ultimate trump card to the endgame of all elements.(which I like)

[@absynth8086]

Void lol

[@crossyfirezx9659]

@@absynth8086 not entirely, the name was a bad choice but the idea it quite sound

[@absynth8086]

@@crossyfirezx9659 true true. Name it something besides a synonym for void and we’re cooking

[@MisterD0F]

I believe Bungie can change Prismatic around with any new light or darkness subclass they introduce and adding those to Prismatic. Same with the exotics, I think this can go very far and can provide a host of possibilities. We are just use to subclasses but think of Prismatic as a tree of nodes similar to games like Diablo IV. Providing entirely new variations and experiences!

[@dresdenwarlock7978]

I think after a decade of tapping in and bending Paracaysality to our will it may be time for our guardians to start controlling more grounded aspects. Air? Earth? Plant? Maybe start heading into Splicer territory? Or ritual magic? It's limitless. And having it all tie back into Prismatic would enhance everyone's play style.

[@defrte]

It's been the concern for the past few months. I feel like it's been talked and speculated to death, even on this channel. The expac hasn't even dropped yet... Content.

[@PrototypePlatform]

aztecross: what on earth could you possibly add after prismatic? the entire D2 fandom: "resonance, the 3rd darkness power teased for literally 2 years, used by rhulk, nez, tomentors, shadow leigon, etc.."

[@jeffjameson5082]

Yea but his main point is that when they do add those, most ppl will probably just use them with prismatic or ask if they will be added to prismatic since the combinations would be preferable than those abilities by themselves

[@_AriseChicken]

dont you mean entropy, never heard anyone say anything about resonance lol. Vibration subclass gtfo.

[@kurtnordli1381]

I think one the ways bungie will follow up prismatic is by slowly introducing other abilities, fragments and aspects to the kit from other sub-classes that are not present in Prismatic yet and eventually another new subclass down the road that can have a stand alone variant like are other subclass and also have the new subclass intertwined with Prismatic.

[@kmhowells2]

I just love how you’re coming to us from Zavala’s office 😂

[@ChocolateHennessy]

Cross...we have all this dreaming city and awoken stuff in game. Tell Bungie to bring back my Soul Stealers Claw please...thanks pal

[@amun4281]

We're barely getting a new subclass, we're getting exotic class items that prismatic can't function without.

[@toriellsimon9075]

That class tree brought back so many memories

[@shooncuh]

Its simple. Add prismatic. Let us get use to it. Then add a red subclass to help off with the final shape++ or later developments. Adding a red subclass makes prismatic have more abilities and supers. Red subclass ties everything together

[@WindowsAndGhosts]

'No one's going to be rocking the other subclasses' oh but they will. When they realize that Bungie is railroading them into very specific play styles under Prismatic, most people will go back to the old classes.

[@horrorfan117]

Where they can get railroaded into a playstyle they're familiar with

[@MrSmith804]

How many times is Cross going to post another video about his """"concerns""""? seriously, the guy ran out of content or what, because this is the third time he makes a video about the same shit.

[@daycejohnson]

All this guy does anymore is rage bait. We are literally getting the best we could’ve hoped for and he’s STILL doom posting about the end of destiny. Luke Smith himself was like “shut up Destiny isn’t ending any time soon” and cross just completely ignored him because rage bait makes him money.

[@alanchampion2126]

Faker than the Rock.

[@XThanatos2X]

Pretty simple really to step up the power Fantasy. This is what I think(Hope) they are probably gonna do to keep the power train going. Step 1 - Cabal and Eliksni Guardians, or a reasonable equivalent(a return of Eliksni splicers as a playable new class for example) with unique variations of the hunter/warlock/titan kit specific to them(As an example, instead of a rift/arc soul, an eliksni guardian/splicer summons one of those baby Servitors you sometimes fight.) Step 2 - unlock all abilities in all Light and Dark Sub Classes for Hunter/Warlock/Titan to mix and match in Prismatic, which I think is what they are going to do for Final Shape during it's Annual Pass, likely to be rolled out in bits and pieces during the seasonal/episodic structure they will be adopting for Final Shape to replace the current seasonal model. This gives them time to roll it out and test it in real time bit by bit. Step 3 - Unlock all abilities for mixing and matching between all Main Classes and Sub classes in one Guardian - AKA Create your own class. No more Titan/Warlock Hunter, the classes will become ability trees that you can then mix and match. I think this will be the big change for Destiny 3 or something they will roll out in stages or in some kind of framework during D2's Final Shape annual Pass, maybe the last episode/season will finalize it and that will likely be the lead in to Destiny 3 in some way lore wise. Step 4 - Given Steps 1 to 3 proceed as planned, have Exotic Class Items Become Exotic Accessories that can potentially roll any and all Exotic Armor abilities available across all 3 current main classes along with removing class restrictions for all current exotic armor. Maybe, Possibly they also increase the Armor class Exotic limit to 2 to let you have the accessory and an exotic armor piece of your choice. None of the above would be massively difficult for Bungie, though would still entail quite a bit of work. What will be much harder, and would be the more impressive feat, is them figuring out a way to successfully scale the game so that when they overpower us to that extent the game retains some kind of challenge. Hopefully the Dredge aren't the last new enemy subfaction for a long time as it has been currently.

[@garretburrow]

The symmetry of Light and Darkness demands a 3rd Darkness subclass. 3 Light, 3 Dark. I understand people are hyped for Prismatic, but let's be honest: Prismatic isn't a new subclass in the traditional sense of the phrase. It is a combination of assets that were already in the game. A "new subclass" means an entirely new elemental damage type. Is there going to be a new auto rifle in The Final Shape that does "prismatic" damage? I don't think so. Now, I'm not a game developer, but I understand that Bungie has historically only ever introduced a new subclass and elemental damage type every OTHER yearly expansion. Prismatic is being introduced in response to the negative press they received after all of the layoffs and the poor reception of the Lightfall expansion. This means that they are pushing out a "new subclass" in about a quarter of the time they would have normally taken to create one in the past. They didn't have time to create new assets, but they needed a big win for The Final Shape. I believe they chose to create Prismatic because it was the quickest and easiest way to achieve the goal of a new subclass for TFS. I'm not mad at them for it, it totally makes sense given the situation they found themselves in, but it doesn't make me any less disappointed. This knee-jerk reaction to bad press and poor expansion reception is exactly the same thing that 343 did with the Halo franchise, and more or less what Disney has been doing with both the Star Wars and Marvel franchises. "Oh, they didn't like that? Shit, we need to win them back. What crazy thing can we do that they'll love and is also quick and easy? Combine all the subclasses into one? Perfect. Do it." Ugh... There's no forethought, no planning. Just throw some shit together that's O.P. and assume we'll all eat it up. Honestly I kind of wish they would announce that Prismatic is only temporary. They could introduce some lore that explains how our Guardian's presence inside the Traveler gives him/her access to this new power, but it won't be permanent, and at the end of TFS, we discover the Witness's true darkness power and begin harnessing it for ourselves. Bungie could simply say, "We're working on the 3rd darkness subclass, don't worry, coming soon," and we'd all happily wait for it. Sorry to anyone reading this for the wall of text, I've been thinking about this ever since they announced Prismatic and I kinda wanted to vent. lol

[@1UpTay]

I think one thing they could do to keep things spicy for prismatic would be to rotate abilities out for the current suite of abilities they’ve shared and rotate it every episode. So for instance, with the launch of TFS, instead of nova bomb for warlock void super, we could use nova warp, swap in a new void grenade, etc etc

[@chewy232]

To bungies defense, I remember cross freaking out during the release and he was saying he wasn't expecting this and didn't think you'd was possible. No one saw this coming. So just cause he can't see how they could follow up prismatic when he couldn't even predict what they are doing in the final shape.

[@Filth777]

I am surprised people expected that it would not be limited to specific abilities

[@_flyinghonky_]

The only logical way I think that could technically work with prismatic is: Yes, it looks cool, but the damage isn't lime Celestial Nighthawk 999,999, or like a massive damage dealer compared to some basic things

[@TheAntWatcher]

This is the perfect time to start adding more aspects to the other subclasses. We see that the new aspects are gonna be part of prismatic. My guess is that any new aspects will be on both prismatic and standard subclasses. They an also add more exotic class items down the line with different exotic perks on them. Heck they can even add new melees and grenades down the line as well. Especial for the darkness subclasses that includes void for hunter and warlock.

[@octalide4863]

Much of the concern around "what comes next" comes from the idea that, like you said, prismatic should be one-upped, which is not necessarily true. D2 and other games with similar powercreep have survived for a long time on introducing things that are simply *different*, and not necessarily more powerful. A third darkness subclass on top of prismatic, for example, may not make more "powerful" builds, but it would definitely make more interesting ones -- more toys to play with. The cycle of changing metas, shifting weapons, new perks, different abilities, and challenging encounters to use all of that is the CORE of this game, NOT getting the most powerful gear and shredding bosses. It's the time inbetween that makes this game what it is. Change is good for this game. It always will be. This game dies when bungie stops changing things. I see all of this upcoming content as healthy, even if it's not the strongest thing we've ever seen.

[@angelousmortis8041]

All I want is a Third Darkness "Subclass" (hopefully Taken or Hive Magic themed) and for Prismatic to eventually become "Subclass 4.0" taking everything our existing Subclasses do and mashing them together into one big clusterfuck. I want Controlled Demolitionist to spread Volatile, Jolt, Scorch, Slow, etc. For Warlocks to be able to have whichever of their buddies they want to have on and for Getaway Artist to improve ALL of them and to make whichever flavor of Grenade you're using into whichever buddy corresponds to it. Crazy shit like how Stylish Executioner on Prismatic Hunter procs invis from ANY Subclass Debuff.

[@seanmccatharn8832]

Adding a new subclass becomes even easier because you don’t need to flesh it out you just need to intertwine it into prismatic . They won’t need to come out with a whole kit just some times for each class to add into their current kits

[@Mrbeara425]

Hey azte. Hear me out. (I theorize quite a lot) i think the 3 light subclasses are definitive. But we only have 2 dark classes. 1 combined class. They are most likely giving us a new subclass after the episodes(dlc) or potentionally that's what the episodes are . But getting 3 light, 3 dark, 1 prismatic. That will finalize what guardians are capable of doing ( hence all the promotion with "what is a guardian" ) and then destiny 3, if anything, will reply to that question. Decoupling power systems first was their mission since beyond light and since the direction is clear, it's not that far fetch to peer a little bit into the most realistic moves that they will do. Decoupling subclasses and strengthening subclasses was destiny 2's goal and prismatic is doing two things, concluding on that very goal with a victory lap (since prismatic looks amazing) and introducing the open possibilities to Decoupling class limits which destiny 3 has been pointing towards. Making the overall player experience stronger and better and allowing freedom ( which the team has expressed they wanted destiny to be better, 3 is payback to the franchise itself, wanting it to reflect the original vision.) But the original vision is where my theorizing has the biggest mystery. Is this gonna be before losing original story and direction or after. Because the original vision they expressed was meant since destiny 1, destiny 2 was the best chance to address and fix everything but destiny 2 became a labor than project. But reaching the end of destiny 2 means the team spent all that time creating what's beyond the final shape. We won't know till they reveal more. But destiny 2 is definitely going to get a massive overhaul going into destiny 3 and the story most likely has been Shaping this entire time in the lore so either way. Let's see what bungie will show off soon !!!

[@evanotto7078]

I can see new subclasses being added but in a different way. Whereas prismatic is meant to be the curated jack of all trades, I can see bungie adding another darkness subclass element (even out the 3 light and 3 darkness) but also being able to only combine only two elements together but you get access to more of each subclasses powers, meaning you have a more powerful subclass at that point (for example, a solar and stasis subclass that allows you to use well alongside another of the solar aspects with another stasis aspect). The other option, which was leaked as primarily being for d3, is a fluid class system in the future where hunters, titans, and warlocks don't exist and you are able to use any ability from any class, with bungie basically just needing to create ability packets essentially every once in a while to spice things up (i.e. new solar abilities, new void, etc.).

[@ralpharambe163]

Some classes still need a 3rd Super (Sunbreakers, Strikers, Stormcallers), Darkness subclasses need a 2nd Super and Light subclasses need a 4th Aspect. Way down the line, they can maybe add *Artifact* weapons with Prismatic for even more customization. So Titans can fulfill their Thor fantasy with Arc hammers, a dark knight-esque Void Sentinel with a big maul, or a Sunbreaker with a blazing shield.

[@kalebanderson7483]

I’m glad you’re bringing up how much stuff is lacking with prismatic. There is so many combinations of exotic class items and subclasses but we are heavily limited. They are definitely making destiny 3 because why else would they make all the expansions free (to cash out with tfs and focus on the failure of marathon). The way I think it would be cool is if exotic class items are exclusive for non prismatic classes and prismatic gets access to ALL subclasses/aspects/fragments. That way each has it own reason to run.

[@MatthewWilliams-sr7ye]

So my idea was that going forward, they could make it so that we are constantly under the Prismatic layout, but using all of one element gives you special synergies. This would allow for new subclasses to be made in the future and still have them be exciting.

[@ReperGD]

when you say that. do you mean giving all the other subclasses some form of transcendence?

[@MatthewWilliams-sr7ye]

@ReperGD Kinda. For example, if you use only one element for your abilities, either each individual ability will get a buff or you'll get a general buff based on your element.

[@ReperGD]

@@MatthewWilliams-sr7ye Oh. Wait shit that's actually good.

[@jadenyuki2031]

I have a theory, the reason why transcendence only gives us a new grenade that combines light and dark is that we are given that power by the gardener(bomb logic) Maybe the next step is that we obtain prismatic from the winnower which will unlock new melees that combine light and dark(sword logic).

[@kyernplayz8517]

I know i talked about this with my friends and I said i want a drifter type just class where you're merging aspects from the other classes and we got it pretty balanced when we talking about it

[@bbbarham6264]

I really hope Prismatic is the trial testing for being able to mix and match everything, subclass 4.0. Only way to make Prismatic not clash with everything is to make it a general mechanic rather than a competing subclass.

[@Itosbl]

I had a weird dream about a final darkness classes, all of which were ferrofluid-esque in their look; Titans were "temporal warriors" who had barriers that stopped projectiles in place and you were able to ping-pong the damage back at enemies with an aspect. They also had an amp-shield super (like Overwatch Bap). Warlocks were necromancers that could call upon enemies of darkness that you had slain, and actually had a decent melee that was a beam that stole overhealth from enemies (TF|2 Monarch-ish). Hunters were not present. It's up to you to dream that subclass up.

[@dxntft]

they can add more fragments/aspects/new ult even for the current subclasses and expand on them, there's no need to keep one upping but adding more diversity to what we have via exotics/fragments/aspects/abilities, and eventually add some of the new abilties to the prismatic and expand on it

[@himiko1610]

I don't think any of the aspects or supers and whatever that aren't already part of prismatic are going to come to prismatic except some of a new subclass if they really make another one. That way they can keep it balanced and people are gonna use other subclasses as well.

[@_SlumpD]

i feel like the next step from this would be for when d3 comes out, for prismatic to be the standard and all guardians being fluid and then they could just add to the pool of abilities to mix and match together. its wishful thinking for the future installation of destiny but would feel like a fresh start and not just a high def re skin

[@giogonzalez821]

Prismatic is, imho, the blueprint for classes moving forward. IF there is a D3 - there would be no equipable subs you would be a Guardian able to wield any combination of Dark/Light powers. So rather than having to make new subclasses, you just add new paracausal or causal powers that can be mixed and matched. That way you can add wholly crazy powers and still are only balancing a single subclass

[@richardshueydc1529]

I think the second light and dark bar is really going to be an interesting component to the final shape and if it is successful they will either completely ditch the other classes or find some way to alter the other builds some way to encorporate it. Though I don’t know how that would work. It’s almost like they developed it for D3 but introduced it due to their troubles earlier

[@rickiereeve1211]

The thing is, they don’t have to one up prismatic. They just have to add to it and the other parts of the subclasses. I want to double the aspects. I want to double the fragments. I want at least three melee options for each subclasses, a couple more grenades, and a couple more class ability options. I don’t need anything crazy, I just want to really be able to make my character my own.

[@excessivenacl7259]

To me prismatic is the perfect Segway to Destiny 3: The Witness and the Traveler both die off in The Final Shape and/or in the episodes to follow. All of our fellow guardians lose their access to our light, but through whatever mcguffin gives us access to Prismatic in Final Shape, we keep prismatic. All of our other subclasses are gone... enter D3. The guardian is exploring the galaxy/universe, maybe leaning in to old allies (Neomuna, Cabal, etc) as we look to rebuild the guardians as something new entirely. Year one D3 gives us a campaign where we find an integrate new powers to expand on Prismatic, and providing the groundwork for limitless expasion. To me, all of the free access is the best promotion to get everyone possible interested in Destiny, just in time to announce Destiny 3 sometime in July. It think it's perfect, opens the door for a deeper MMO experience, and allows for an entirely new approach to customization and user experience.

[@Soulverine]

What they can do is make all aspects and all fragments available on Prismatic but give it a point system. Similar to how certain aspects will only give you one fragment slot instead of two. You want Well for your super? 20 points. You only have 30 so use the last 10 wisely. Run Golden Gun instead? 12 points; now you have more room to build other things into the build. Another idea which I still fight for is the ability to play as other races. In Halo 2 we got to be the Arbiter and not just a Spartan. Let us be a Lucent Hive Knight or a Shadow Legion Psion. This can completely change our base levels of resistance, mobility, & recovery. Another idea is take us out of Sol and visit some of the galaxies The Drifter has been to. Hell, you could even introduce a no weapons mode where we have various forms of unarmed combat -Chronicles of Riddick had a great fist fight mode. There are options, you just have to look

[@Faytedsoul]

They could do a class mastery or hyper specialization to make base elements more appealing, maybe like a one element Transcendence. You build a solar meter and after so many solar kills you get solar Ascendance where you get improved solar damage and abilities. To expand on Prismatic, they could make more Prismatic grenades then add in Prismatic melees and Prismatic supers. Imagine a Novabomb that spawns threadlings, or a shoulder charge that emits a slowing and scorching blast.

[@dixon137]

i see this as them buying time.. with reissuing sun set weapons and now an entire subclass or reissued/repurposed abilities everything will slowly get added into prismatic before it all becomes one at that point they will add a final new subclass that is pure darkness and fully counters are prismatic abilities as they become 2 sides of the same coin.. the pink and red subclasses the red subclass is im rubber your glue anything you throw at it can be thrown back 10 fold its all about stealing and parrying and it have massive synergy with stasis and strand due to them being from the dark

[@janielenieves3379]

With the exception of the dungeon and the cosmetics for purchasing the 30th anniversary content was completely free, you could get in do dares of eternity, get all the weapons and when they became craftable they were free too

[@Bluu_Bunni]

I feel like they're probably gonna be true subclass mixing next. Like hunters with the spread nova from D1, Warlocks with a version of a gathering storm where they shoot a massive bolt of arc energy that leaves behind a storm, something crazy like that. Make some crazy new truly custom subclasses

[@MichaelHazell]

When Prismatic was announced, I really wanted it to become a true unified subclass. I still hope it goes that direction. Guardians in the lore are not restricted in terms of what abilities they use. The reason why we are limited in-game is arbitrary, mostly game balance. I do not see myself enjoying Prismatic in its current state. I will stick to my existing options because they feel more powerful to me, and more importantly, I DO NOT WANT TO GIVE THEM UP.

[@williamkaplan6414]

My guess is for where they go next is in d3 you get to play as cabal or fallen in addition to awoken exos and humans and you get different abilities depending on which you choose

[@logman5evr]

Bungie is doing all these free things and bringing so much to the table because it is live or die for Bungie now. With Bungie projecting that pre-orders for Final Shape eclipsing Lightfall to Sony, they messed up. Pre-orders were down because of how poor Lightfall was, and because they promised pre-orders would be higher, Sony threatened to gut Bungie leadership. Fearing the loss of their company, I'm sure the higher-ups told devs to do everything possible to appease fans, so Prismatic, the Dread, exotic class items, the 3 new maps, Into The Light, Onslaught, the Brave Arsenal, the Parade armor, and making everything cheap and free for a while were all born. If Bungie doesn't perform with Final Shape, they lose everything. What happens after Final Shape will be dealt with as it comes: balance, story, everything. This is Bungie's final stand.

[@joeybaxter70]

I think itll end up being more of a transition through the story, you start destiny 2 as a new player and unlock all the light subclasses. Then you transition into using stasis and then strand and learning and unlocking those pwers. Then in the finake of that story you unlock the ability to merge everything together and weiod both, as a veteran player it seems like hella power creep but from a new player perspective it kets then learn all the subclasses as they travel through the story and end of by combining all their knowledge into a super powered class

[@BC-ni6hp]

Even after prismatic I would love another darkness subclass to make it 3&3. The previous darkness subclasses restrict movement, what about one that controls enemy movement? Something similar to the knockback of the voidlock melee, the severance enclosure blast, or the pull of a tether. Other subclasses have this but maybe they take it a step further or add another smaller concept to enhance it and make it feel unique

[@lucasblanchard47]

They HAVE to make another darkness subclass at some point. It just makes so much sense to have the same number of darkness and light subclasses!

[@Decay3333]

I think they should add specialty stat points, here is an example. as you Level beyond the max you get a point to put into these stats for each level gained. ShotGun Damage ShotGun Defense Hand Cannon Damage Hand Cannon Defense etc for each weapon type. Also, Other things.. like adding a point to the following to gain a 1 percent chance to immediately refill a grenade or super on use. Refill Grenade on use Refill Super on use Super Defense, Super Offense and so on. There are so many specialty stats that can be added, and they can add more in expansions. Also make it a max points you can earn so you cant max every stat. Also a special PVP playlist that this can be used in. So if you hate shotgun sliders, then max ur shotgun slide defense.

[@MM-me9vb]

My best guess after the dlc we kill the witness. They have some sort of fail safe. Fragments themselves into other organisms. Because its realistically the only way to make threats as powerful as them. So like Eramis, Xivu, Clovis can potentially be corrupted by his ideology and empowered by the darkness that flows in them. Creating sudo darkness guardians. This leads up to my next point. This iteration of Prismatic is the lights interpretation of it. So there can be a darkness interpretation of it.

[@Devmode_Nunchaku]

The only follow up I can see in terms of sandbox is a third darkness subclass. We have the even 3 light & 3 dark that way. However, let's say we get that third darkness power - well now we can funnel that into prismatic too. You mentioned prismatic does have its limitations, but even with that, we're still looking at a HIGHLY customizable guardian build, moreso than any single subclass. That said, I estimate that our individual subclasses will have more of a "purebreed" feel. They would be more potent in their own little world, with seemless synergy. Prismatic looks dope, but I love my melee arc hunter still, and might actually just rock it anyway. If I had to guess (assuming they ARE following up with a plan), the only follow-up I can imagine (using the information and lore we have on hand) all I can think of is that our characters will pivot into a single class (basically prismatic for Warlock/Titan/Hunter), using prismatic. Now you have not only just the class item exotic, but you can drop rifts, throw hunter knives, and do a thundercrash. But even with that... I don't know where to go from there now. You basically just have a single subclass now and spec ANY ability into your build. I don't think following up in a proper progression towards something more exciting and buyable for players is impossible. But they will need to get HIGHLY original from here on out.

[@ThisMightBeAnAccount]

They can make new paracausal elements, and paracausal subclasses have that second super bar, where light and dark subclasses just have the one. A paracausal element could be something like time, that exists both mentally (darkness), and physically (light). another darkness subclass is something we should be getting as well. A new darkness power based on fear/anger, greed, fight/flight, or sadness would be very fitting considering we haven’t pushed the morality of our darkness powers yet.

[@sirhamalot8651]

Prismatic feels like end game content. We went from 3 to 5 subclasses. The natural progression would be a 6th, but instead we get a combination of the 5 we already have. This move feels like they're letting off the throttle and looking to put their energy into another version or D2 of another game entirely.

[@Ima9ineBreak3r]

Something that would be very worthy of d3 is 3 new classes. Not subclasses, but classes. Make them hybrids between two of the current classes, and allow the current classes to branch out into the others, i.e., a titan could play as a titan, a titan-hunter-hybrid (which would also be useable as a hunter) or a titan-warlock-hybrid (which would also be useable as a warlock). It would require an INSANE amount of work to make three new classes like that, but it could be really cool. Lore-wise, maybe we meet up with a far-off system that the traveler had once left in the past, but the people there still survived. Maybe they are the people that the Vex are so tied up with right now. I dunno.

[@madmardigan3321]

Hats off to anyone who still enjoys D2. Been here since the D1 beta and havent played this year. Ive felt like ive experienced everything D2 has had to offer and i just have no desire to play it at all. Even after following all the updates... it just feels the same

[@Marauders5]

People saying they'll leave after final shape wasn't a fan of Destiny in the first place. I'm excited to see where Bungie takes the story after we defeat the witness in the raid.

[@Apollo_XII_]

I feel like a 6th mono-element subclass (a 3rd Darkness element) could still easily be added to the game. When they do, they would also just pick a suite of abilities to add to Prismatic and leave the rest alone.

[@infiniteboredom9642]

I seriously can’t wait for prismatic hunter, basically going to be able to have the lite version of the effects of assassins cowl but running a different exotic with completely different perks

[@Obi1Jacobi01]

Cross looking at the camera without headphones is very much "uncanny valley"

[@David-rh3er]

If Bungie does eventually go the route of one giant subclass system, I'd love to see a system where if you equip abilities/aspects/fragments of the same element you unlock certain bonuses akin to gear sets in The Division or the team bonuses in Genshin (so for example 3/4/5/6/7 solar equipped could give something like +% scorch and healing bonuses). I think for build crafting and longevity one giant system is better but there should be incentive to run mono/duo elemental builds as well.

[@manicbureau]

It doesn’t have to be a new subclass in future iterations. It could be a new, main Class of its own, expanding beyond the present selection of Hunters, Titans and Warlocks. This also presents Bungie the opportunity to introduce more and more subclasses for this new class, including adding Prismatic to it.

[@isaiahmason5596]

I was 15 when destiny 2 came out as sad as it’d be to see it go its time to finally rest