How does Somebody get Sectioned under the Mental Health Act? Sections 2 and 3

In this video on the Mental Health Act 1983 I cover the basics of Section 2 and Section 3. Other terms introduced are Mental Health Act Assessment, Approved Mental Health Professional, , Nearest Relative, Mental Health Review Tribunals, Managers' Hearings, Independent Mental Health Advocate, Second Opinion Appointed Doctor (SOAD), Section 17 Leave, Responsible Clinician.

[@virgilblaze9090]

My mother was just admitted under section 2 and i'm just glad she's able to not only get the treatment she needs, but for the rest of my family to recover as well. I see a lot of strange comments on this video alluding to 'so called' illnesses as if they're made up, and i have to respond. The behaviour my mum has displayed - especially in the last 4 days is that of a person that longer resembles my mother. She will have brief moments of coherence, but only after she had a full night's sleep after the first visit to hospital. She physically attacked myself and other family members and also had wild hallucinations right infront of me. My family are physically and emotionally drained, and for anyone claiming this is normal behaviour or her illness isn't real, then i simply do not have words for you. I'm glad she's away getting help, because if she came back to us in a manic state, my family couldn't cope.

[@originalunoriginal4055]

How are you giving up on the person that gave birth to you? Who went through unimaginable pain when carrying you in her womb for 9 months? And you simply just "dispose" of this person because you don't want to deal with her. Or don't want it to be your problem? Selfish! If you ever have children, they will do the same to you and you will know how much you hurt your mother! 🤯🤯🤯😤😤😤😤

[@susanpetty1955]

I don't think you should judge! unless you know all the facts.( And I know all the facts could not be put on here. I recon it would take pages) The thing is at least their mother will get some help now, and hopefully in time be back with her family; Who clearly love her and want their mother back to how she was. Metal Health is a complex situation that effect people in many different ways. I know this because my own daughter is Mentally ill & we have tried for years to get help and to get someone to listen. But as it is now, guessing like so many people. We wait in worry for that knock on the door to say something terrible has happened to our loved one. So think on before you Judge! Be it someone's Mother / Father or child; it's because we love them, we want them to get help and get better. @@originalunoriginal4055

[@LukeSolo-One]

so you are saying: we care for mum but WE dont want to deal with her. We care very much for you but treat you like a sub human.... Sounds about right, thats how i get treated

[@alicelucy1333]

I'm sectioned at the moment, it's very frightening. Most of the staff are horrible and don't listen. I could give u the whole alphabet of diagnoses and beyond. It's so scary, they can basically do what they like with u 😭😭😭

[@DrBethColby]

I agree. It is very fightening being so unwell that you have to go to hospital even though you don't want to or think you need to, Alice. Why don't you ask to speak with your named nurse or junior doctor, or your social worker or an Independent Mental Health Advocate? You have rights under the Mental Health Act (Section 132 rights). You should have been told them and received them in writing. You could ask for them again. Thank you for your post, and hope things improve for you. Keep us updated.

[@bigchris80]

That's nothing! At least your allowed your phone to write this! Hope you find yourself again!

[@bigchris80]

@jayden ritchie most definitely. We need to take back our country and not this legally run BULL CRAP!

[@pinkabsinthe1226]

This was my experience too, they told to basically kill myself and then would mock me for trying

[@FaithfulandTrue777]

It's very sad you weren't supported- they need to uproot all the narcissistic & sociopathic staff who have power and influence. Some horror stories about staff who have abused their power.

[@collin6238]

a friend of mine has been sectioned when their mother tried to see them she wasn't allowed to see her own child I think this is outrageous

[@DrBethColby]

Hi Collin. It must have been very upsetting for your friend and her mother when her mother wasn't allowed to visit her. I can't comment on this, as I wasn't there, but generally there are set hours for visitors to a psychiatric ward. If a patient is very unwell and it is thought that having a visitor would have a detrimental affect on his or her mental state, then the visitor may not be allowed at that time; and as soon as the patient is well enough to see the visitor, then this would be encouraged. Every patient on a Section of the Mental Health Act has the right to an Independent Mental Health Advocate to speak on their behalf. However, if a patient is extremely unwell, then they may not be in the right frame of mind to request one. Best wishes, Beth

[@mlisa61]

@@DrBethColby actually, there r a lot of places that do not have the advocates available. they r not even in the office, so the person is really stuck!

[@susanpetty1955]

What can be done if someone who is in need of being Sectioned, but is unwilling to be assessed! (Refuses to see anyone & refuses entry to their property)

[@DrBethColby]

Very good question, Susan. Below is your answer. A Section 135 warrant from the Courts allows forced entry into the property if all other measure have failed. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIWlh56Yjt-qbpI

[@stephenstumbke1721]

I have a learning disability Lost my last surviving parent at Christmas have not had any help My mental health has not been good , I have been on meds given by home treatment team but tbh they are making me feel worse The other Day I refused to take them, the doctor came round and shouted at me and threatened me with sectioning if I don't take them I was in tears and shaking afterwards. Am being bullied into taking them

[@DrBethColby]

I am really sorry to hear of your loss, Stephen. It is not right that you have been shouted at, bullied or threatened. Do you have anybody who can be with you when the home treatment team visits? Ask a member of the home treatment team how to complain about their service/treatment of you and get somebody to help you do this. All the best. Best wishes, Beth

[@stephenstumbke1721]

Thanks I am feeling better , I'm on sertraline and it's helping

[@I.M2008]

Can someone be forced to take a depot injection in hospital when they want and are taking a tablet form of the drug?

[@DrBethColby]

HI there. Good question. If a person is under the Mental Health Act, then medication can be given against a person's wishes. However, this will not occur (unless in an emergency) without talking with a patient and discussing it with them. If a person has been under the Mental Health Act on a Section 3 or 37 for more than 3 months, then medication can only be given either if the person has capacity to make the decision and is agreeing to the medication or if they do not have capacity and are not agreeing to have the medication, a Second Opinion Appointed Doctor (SOAD) needs to see the patient and talk to 2 other members of the Multidisciplinary Team about whether the medication is appropriate for the patient before the SOAD decides whether to agree with the prescriber's medication plan (the Responsible Clinician). Sometimes patients may say they are taking tablets but may not actually swallow them and may hide them in their mouths or spit them out. This may be when a depot injection is considered.

[@YleniaCubasMendoza]

Sectioning is always a violation of human rights. It doesn't help anyone but traumatizes people.

[@daviebevan]

Thanking you for this explanation

[@DrBethColby]

You are very welcome, Davie. Best wishes, Beth

[@FuZion1988]

You haven't told how or what to do to get someone sectioned thks

[@DrBethColby]

Hi there. Thank you very much for this useful comment. I will put what I write below under the 'description' of the video. The first thing to do is ask the person you are concerned about whether they would be willing to see their GP. If the person is willing to accept help from a GP, that is great. (Or if more urgent, if they would be happy to go with you to the local Accident and Emergency). The GP would refer the person to mental health services if necessary and can get the person seen urgently. If you feel you or anybody in the household or the person you are worried about is in immediate danger, you can call the police. You can find your local NHS Mental Health Helpline (England only) on www.nhs.uk/service-search/mental-health/find-an-urgent-mental-health-helpline

[@FaithfulandTrue777]

​@TalkMentalHealthbyDrBethColby I was in an abusive relationship, my husband drugged me after years of abuse (I'm teetotal/non-smoker/educated) I asked my sister to take me to A&E she has diagnosed bpd. She tried to stitch me up and get me sectioned (!??) They obv couldn't find any evidence of mental demise although im sure they didn't believe me about husband poisening me. I ended up seeking support from refuge, fled with a few carrier bags and have never looked back. They joined forces to try and bring me down but it only strengthened my case. Trust your instinct not everyone who SAYS they care are on your side. Cut contact with sabotagers and your peace will return .

[@mashthebanana]

The more I learn about sectioning the more I question how I've never been sectioned 💀 Like the month I ran out of my medication causing me to act completely erratically, ending up in A&E 5 times and had hallucinations and delusions and couldn't take care of myself at all... ended up being like 4 months of the wildest times tbh 😵‍💫

[@DrBethColby]

Did you agree to treatment or have the Home Treatment Team look after you? Best wishes, Beth

[@mashthebanana]

@@DrBethColby When I lived in Cambridge there was no treatment. I only spoke to MH services to be assessed over the phone every time I ended up in A&E/ physical health hospital ward for injuring myself. Eventually my treatment was "you are being discharged into your parents care and you will contact the MH services in that trust" and to be fair the MH services in my parents county did offer me treatment I just had to move counties to get it lol. Doing better now though

[@originalunoriginal4055]

Because, the country does not have the capacity to provide a bed for someone everytime they act like a spoilt brat! If that was the case, probably 60% of the country would be locked up and sectioned, at the same time.

[@mashthebanana]

​@@originalunoriginal4055 The audacity that you made this comment on world mental health day! I wasn't a spoilt brat, I was an incredibly ill person who needed to be cared for which is exactly what the mental health services are supposed to do. Go educate yourself a bit more. Have a good day 👋

[@DistrustAuthority999]

Yes it just confirms how evil and wicked people are …holding them against their will

[@BurritoButterfly1025]

You’ve obviously never dealt with someone who is dealing with severe mentally illness. Sometimes it is necessary.

[@coolvidz64]

@@BurritoButterfly1025then sometimes you literally being held against your will when you have no problems…

[@theunholybanana4745]

@@BurritoButterfly1025 nah mate only time it's necessary is when they would otherwise go to prison, if I want to die then that's my business not the government's.

[@lh7369]

My sister is an alcoholic and won’t stop. She’s abusive (verbally, emotionally and sometimes physically to my mum) my mum won’t cut her out her life. She’s still has the mental capacity of a teenager even though she’s 36 and she’s got anorexia, bulimia and ocd. The NHS so far haven’t done much apart from treatments here and there. I want her to be sectioned but don’t know how to go about it.

[@feltonkohl6106]

Have you ever known of a person being sectioned and then having ECT imposed on them against their will?

[@farhanabdirahman4097]

Yes in section 3

[@feltonkohl6106]

@@farhanabdirahman4097 Was this in the UK??

[@dinointhetube7952]

Basically your keep people incapacitated through laws they don’t understand through medication they don’t want Wow hope your happy in your work.

[@AlexAlexon3897]

I hope you're happy dishing out misinformation.

[@grahammorgan1403]

Can you be voluntary sectioned for addiction based behaviour?

[@DrBethColby]

Hi Graham. People who are sectioned to hospital go there against their wishes, unless they are agreeing to go to hospital but do not have the capacity to make that decision. In order to be sectioned a person needs to have a mental disorder (of a nature or degree that warrants detention in hospital) and needs to go to hospital for their own health, safety or safety of others and are refusing to go in (or do not have the capacity to consent to going in). People are not sectioned due to an addiction on its own. People who go into hospital as a voluntary or informal patient do so to assess whether they have a mental illness or to treat it. Somebody must be very ill to be admitted to hospital nowadays, as a lot of the assessment and treatment can be done in people's home if the risk of harm to themselves or others is low. Maybe you could let me know a bit about the addiction based behaviour so I can answer the question more fully? Best wishes, Beth

[@campanywhere402]

You can always run off. Bollox to been sectioned.

[@theunholybanana4745]

F yeah, if they try to take me I'm running off 100%

[@mylifeisyancommentsdownbel6843]

How do we know who called ? Does someone need to sign or just a phone calll is enough?

[@AlexAlexon3897]

Thank you for this. I have a young (aged 23) relative staying with me, to give his parents a break from his disturbing behaviour and an attempted assault. After a week of our getting along fine, he appears to have "become another person". My own mental health is quite poor. As he's refusing his prescription drugs and is making threats (I don't feel threatened, but he has the capacity to hurt others), I've requested help from local health authority. (My name's a pseudonym.) Thanks for clarifying what may happen next.

[@DrBethColby]

You are very welcome. Hope all goes well for both of you. Best wishes, Beth

[@AlexAlexon3897]

@@DrBethColby: Thanks, Beth. He's just gone in for an assessment. After a lot of complications, he's getting help. 🙂

[@jackjill569]

I've been sectioned before

[@DrBethColby]

How are you now?

[@jackjill569]

@@DrBethColby not to bad could be better

[@DistrustAuthority999]

And in some cases, innocent people are accused and threatened by an AMHP. like Andrew Pattinson and terrorised and left living in fear, traumatised …monsters …evil mknsters

[@DrBethColby]

Hi Jane. That certainly shouldn't happen. Who is Andrew Pattinson? Best wishes, Beth

[@DistrustAuthority999]

@@DrBethColby he is an AMHP working for Surrey County Council. He phoned me late at night. I had no idea who he was or what an AMPH was. He accused me aggressively of missing a MHA A . I said I had no idea who he was and had never been offered an appointment and didn’t have any mental Ill health. At that point he threatened to have my front door kicked in and have me removed to police cells as there was no bed spaces or something. I was caring for my 72 year old husband at the time, I was terrified and so we all left home…my 81 year old mum, myself who was waiting for a double transplant and my hubby who was on breathing apparatus. The authority know now that the report they had flagging health concerns was inaccurate but have threatened to process my data for 20 years. So I have from fear and stigma ceased accessing all care from the nhs, removed myself from the transplant register and spend every waking hour crying.

[@mylifeisyancommentsdownbel6843]

What ????

[@celibin09]

Nobody admits that you can be sectioned for any reason not just danger to self or others

[@completelyanonymous4519]

Reason to believe in abuse of m.g.l chapter 123 section 12.

[@completelyanonymous4519]

Reason to believe in abuse and or misuse of m.g.l chapter 123 section 12. Willing the courage to fight back and defend yourself.

[@completelyanonymous4519]

Defining the term emergency. Defining the term Rogers.

[@completelyanonymous4519]

Every time you take that medication they will say "you want more?"

[@completelyanonymous4519]

Hey everybody, you do know that eventually you have to fight back, right?

[@completelyanonymous4519]

So here we are fighting back. Working on semiconductors and war machines and iron man type stuff

[@celibin09]

Money making for pharmaceuticals