How Does Surface Affect The Fatal Venom

What's going on my KZbin fam?!? Today's video is all about figuring out how different surface finishes affect the ‪@bowlmotiv‬ Fatal Venom. It's impossible for all of us to match up with EVERY SINGLE ball so one way to get the desired ball reaction is by changing the surface. In this video Andrew and myself will each throw the Fatal Venom with seven different surfaces (Polish, 4000, 3000, 2000, 1500, 1000 and 500) so you can decide what finish you'd like on your Fatal when it releases on 12/9. In this video we will teach you how to change the surface of your bowling ball.
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[@BAMaher]

I like how you do these video b/c not a lot of people understand how the surface works. Lots of people think the more grittier the surface (500, 1000, 1500) the more hook they'll get. That was my original thought process until I started watching these surface videos. Thank you for the awesome video Lou!

[@LuisNapoles]

its a VERY common misconception !! I'm glad I could help !!

[@franklingeorge8185]

Loved the video. Had never thought of changing ball surface before. I have the Shock and the Fatal Venoms. I have left them at box finish and I love the way they work for me, at the lanes where I bowl.

[@LuisNapoles]

Yea changing the surface of the bowling ball is a GREAT way to make the ball roll more how you like them! The fact that you love them out the box is a great thing!

[@melvinwaldon7543]

I agree . I always knock off the factory out of box. 2000 grit is my favorite.

[@LuisNapoles]

Yeah 2000 has been my go to

[@DanielJKnoll]

Purchased Motiv Fatal Venom, obviously ships 12/9/2020, i have Motiv RX1 Recon, Venom Shock & 2 other Motiv balls, looking forward to roll Fatal Venom. Great work on your videos & just subscribed !!! Thanks

[@LuisNapoles]

Thanks for that sub! I hope you love the ball !!

[@ChosenMJ]

Awesome video Luis! Very telling when you make surface changes. One of the things I do is every month I "lightly" go over my equipment with the 2K pad to freshen up the coverstock.

[@LuisNapoles]

That’s a smart idea !!

[@pbateson]

Nice to surfaces the green venom. 2000 and P5000D are both smooth rolling. I have to think about green venom because it is medium-oil ball

[@LuisNapoles]

I loved it with the 2000 finish !

[@Journeyto300]

I realize this is an older video.... wish I'd found it sooner. I hit mine with 2000, and everyone on my league was flabbergasted that I'd sand a pearl bowling ball.... bowled nearly a 700 series with it that night tho. :)

[@ic0n0cla5t]

More like this in the future, please.

[@LuisNapoles]

Every new release will get a surface video !

[@exesemas]

Nice video. A few pointers if i may :) The way you use the pad on the ball, does not actually cover the whole ball. It leaves small areas between. You can notice this in some of the pads because of the reflection of the lights. It's better to do it the ctd way if you want to be sure you got all the ball and that every time you do it exactly the same. The reason those 2 shots of both of you went high flush after the 5000D pad, is because both your shots were different. Your friend opened his angle a bit and reached more dry sooner, and you were 2-3 boards to the right at the arrows. The difference between a 5000 and and a 4000+ ball is so small that all the other factors that we don't get the same (because we are not robots) easily account for any observable difference in the shot.

[@LuisNapoles]

I’ll check it out

[@johannabrown3831]

Got my flare and holy freaken hook in low to mediam revs and can absolutely go way right with this hook monster

[@LuisNapoles]

It’s such a strong ball !! But still finds a way to shape

[@remington1439]

Great video, I just got mine and put a 2000 on it, works beautiful!

[@LuisNapoles]

Great to hear!

[@rosecazier7714]

Interesting, think I am going to Spectrum and see about getting one drilled up

[@LuisNapoles]

Do it!!

[@chriscollins1641]

Just got my 16 pounder drilled tonight. I'm a 2 finger bowler so I'm super stoked to throw it

[@LuisNapoles]

NICE!!!!

[@jwjw7117]

I'm a two finger bowler myself. How did this ball work for you.

[@XTaronyuX]

Dude!!!! I just ordered a fatal venom and love to see this kinda video thanks!!!

[@LuisNapoles]

Awesome!

[@richardpena4238]

Took some of Brunswick's Factory Compound to the Fatal Venom's 5500 Box finish and created a Beast of of a Ball. Had to move in 3 or 4 boards left and really lob the ball to hit the pocket, otherwise, it was too strong. Not exactly sure where it would test at, probably 4500 Grit, Just guessing . Thanks,

[@LuisNapoles]

Nice!

[@TheVlad1616]

That can’t be an interchangeable thumb, as I didn’t see a sleeve, but that looked like a massive thumb hole. And I love these videos and hearing/seeing what moves you made to get lined up. I am really bad at that, so it’s good see see what actually works to help me going forward.

[@amleto300]

vise IT doesn't have a sleeve.

[@LuisNapoles]

Andrew glues the ring right to this thumb

[@Davey31G]

Actually drilled my first Fatal lastnight and well... out of the box was abit of a shock itself for me. But the ball is fantastic

[@LuisNapoles]

Such a good ball !

[@dinod682]

I love tru-cut ctd pads I only use their products for bowling ball maintenance like that wow factor ball cleaner And So Fresh So Clean

[@LuisNapoles]

AGREED!!

[@dinod682]

Most Bowlers I've seen will never maintain the surface of their ball much less changed to something else they never clean them, get them resurfaced oil extraction Etc 3000 grit has been my go-to Surface on most of my bowling balls I heard you should sandit every 6 to 9 games I did every three because of Lane shine and for it to be consistent every week I used to use polish on everything then I was getting over reactions on wet dry conditions like the house shot I Bowl on

[@LuisNapoles]

Yea I re do my surfaces before everytime I bowl for score

[@richardgandia5700]

I had put the Venom in the closet because I exactly didn’t match up with it the way I thought. So thanks guys I am going to try 4 down to 2 and see if it makes a big enough difference to get back into the bag in a high friction house

[@LuisNapoles]

Oh I hope you love it !!

[@shedwrightoutdoors204]

Good to know. It took me some time to learn this ball and at times it is way too long.

[@LuisNapoles]

Glad it was helpful!

[@remington1439]

I still like the Supra because the weight block ( Core) is awesome. I wish motiv would use more of that core more often

[@LuisNapoles]

I have to agree with that!

[@rodneycowan3118]

Thanks for the video good info

[@LuisNapoles]

Im glad you liked it!

[@alexcorona3817]

Can you make a video giving tips on making the motiv staff, and being sponsored?

[@LuisNapoles]

So I won't make a video on it but I will share what Brett Spangler who is our rep told me when I first asked him about being on staff. Sorry it has taken me this long to respond to your question and I hope you find this response to your liking. We start with character. Obviously, without that no bowler is valuable to the company. Next, we consider geography. The influence a player can have is limited if they overlap with another. Then we look at quantifiable sales opportunities. Staff players are ultimately part time sales associates compensated in product. We don't have sales reps on the road, so our staff has to serve that purpose. Players who can't influence sales that we can trace back to them in a concrete way are too big a risk to sign or keep. This means that the player must own, work at, or have significant influence at a shop that can sell 75+ balls to even be considered for an entry level contract. Obviously, we also look for bowlers averaging 225-230+ who are bowling 3+ leagues a week and competing regularly in tournaments across a broader area than just their hometown. Great bowling is important and a necessity for a staffer, but certainly not the only component. Promotion on its own is certainly valuable, but we have a great advertising and marketing department along with 225+ staffers already permeating social media with Motiv. I hope this is helpful as it should at least give some indication of what manufacturers in our industry want from a staffer. Regards, Brett

[@alexcorona3817]

@@LuisNapoles thank you for this! I really appreciate the time you took to respond to me. I have a quite a bit of friends who are on staff with other companies, but I aspire to be on staff with Motiv. I feel like they are such an underdog with amazing bowling balls, that are highly versatile. I would love to be on staff with them in the Texas region.

[@LuisNapoles]

@@alexcorona3817 Work hard and you’ll get there!! Good luck Alex!

[@witewolff3576]

Another great video Lou! How often (how many games) do you freshen up the surface that you like? I saw M Johnson said once a month. Do you have a preferred tell on when this needs to be done? Thank you.

[@LuisNapoles]

So for me personally I touch up the surface before every time I bowl anything for score. So as an example if I like 3000 on a ball and I’m heading to bowl something for score I’ll touch it up with a 3000 pad to keep it fresh. If it’s a polished ball I’ll just hit it with cleaner and re do that polish every 10 or so games. But that’s just how I like to do it every one is different.

[@witewolff3576]

@@LuisNapoles Excellent, thanks Lou. That's a great starting point to figure out what routine will work for me.

[@christopherchambers8092]

Getting this and a Desert for Christmas.

[@donaldmiller3356]

The Desert tank is awesome!!!!

[@LuisNapoles]

Desert Tank is the daddy ball !!!

[@Nonchalant-uv7ht]

Lou, why not a wet sand with the pad? I usually tease the cover stock with a dry pad if I want a real subtle break but it never laser scans near the pad grit without a little water.

[@LuisNapoles]

So at home I always wet sand the balls BUT when you're out bowling league or a tournament and you need to change surfaces in practice a lot of times you don't have a chance to wet the pads

[@remington1439]

Lou what are you spraying on the ball? After you’ve sanding w/true grit? Like the 2000/1000

[@LuisNapoles]

Its a ball cleaner

[@pethomas1223]

He is using that Creating the Difference "That Wow Factor" ball cleaner. It is awesome and it smells great.

[@lexocool7551]

Hey there, can you please explain to me what’s RG and diff and what the are the difference? Thanks, I’m new to bowling 😄

[@LuisNapoles]

In a nut shell the RG will determine how long or early a ball is. 2.47 would be considered very early and 2.55 would be long then the Diff of the ball determines how much flare the ball will produce and the more flare so .015 would be low and the .060 is the max allowed by USBC

[@aidenadapathya8723]

How do you properly sand the ball? I see you are spraying something on it while you apply the pad. What is that? And is it necessary to use that liquid?

[@LuisNapoles]

I’m spraying the ball with cleaner just to make sure I get all the dust off the ball.

[@THEKOBE7612]

Hi Luis I drilled a Venom shock threw it a few times out of box it was a little too early from what i like to see, would you recommend polishing a shock? thanks

[@LuisNapoles]

You can!

[@sirvenomik]

this brings upa good question after you take it to from box to 500 how do you get it back to box maybe a video explaining that

[@LuisNapoles]

By hand it’s super hard to get it back to box you’d def have to get into the pro shop

[@rc_hoov7374]

Kinda figured that, I asked it too.

[@mikecurtis3694]

I've been subscribed, where is my Venom shock surface change video, you promised

[@LuisNapoles]

I said you join my patreon i'd make it happen LOL

[@rosecazier7714]

Got a question for you. I am thinking about upgrading my equipment this year and contemplating going to 14#. I am an older low rev bowler and got some advice that the venom may be a good choice for me. I am a down and in bowler do you have an opinion

[@LuisNapoles]

Definitely knock the shine off the ball

[@mikecurtis3694]

Do you have a video on surface change for the Venom Shock

[@LuisNapoles]

Join my patreon and ill make that happen!

[@dangerx7697]

What did you as far as pattern layout, did you drill your fatal Venom

[@LuisNapoles]

Layout on the Fatal Venom is 50x4.5x35

[@dangerx7697]

@@LuisNapoles Appreciate that. This Jackal flash is one of the best balls I've ever thrown and when I'm on fresh and need heavy snow tires ,I pull out my flare. Both balls you did not disappoint with you reviews...so I bought both. Now...fatal venom. Thanks again

[@jeffv8422]

I have a fatal venom on the way what drill placement would you suggest for a newer bowler.

[@LuisNapoles]

have you PAP measured by your PSO

[@troyjacobs6715]

Hey one suggestion how about showing us what the whole jersey looks like compared to what we see ? I have noticed sometimes when your talking in the video and then when you bowl your shirts are different.

[@LuisNapoles]

I can try that in my next video!

[@johannabrown6482]

Luis my flare is my big hook ball but dont like to have to move way right do u think i should add polish. Or take it to a 3000 lazer sand

[@LuisNapoles]

I would try 3000 or 4000 before adding the polish first

[@prestonwilkinson703]

Was the first one 4000 or 5000 because it was a 5000 pad on screen right before the switch to 3000

[@prestonwilkinson703]

6:16

[@LuisNapoles]

The P5000D pad from Creating the Difference is a 4000 pad by hand or 5000 on a spinner

[@prestonwilkinson703]

@@LuisNapoles okay thank you I was just a little confused

[@jamesmykel7713]

My question is.. i have a pbs planet earth hybrid It is the 2000 grit surface , the core, or the weight that im having decent games with it. Im using 16# ball speed is between 13 and 16 mph

[@LuisNapoles]

So what's the question?

[@samuelpancake4084]

This is what I need for the new black widow 2.0 hybrid. It's sucking in high oil

[@LuisNapoles]

Do it!

[@rc_hoov7374]

How do you get it back to the 5500 out of box polish if you want that back?

[@LuisNapoles]

Take it to the pro shop

[@Gzui]

does Andrew have a youtube channel ?

[@LuisNapoles]

Nope

[@hellfiregaming5266]

Which do you prefer the fatal or shock?

[@PrivateJoker1386]

They're complementary balls as opposed to a preference between them. They both serve very different purposes and angles

[@LuisNapoles]

What David said! Shock is my favorite ball of all time though !

[@PrivateJoker1386]

@@LuisNapoles 100% Agree. I have one waiting in my shop to be drilled again whenever we reopen.

[@LuisNapoles]

@@PrivateJoker1386 you’re gonna love it !!

[@FaStLaNe316]

Which ball would you recommend for someone that usually throws about 12.5 mph with lower rev rate?

[@LuisNapoles]

!Q Tour solid