How does the Weather in RollerCoaster Tycoon 2 work?

[@MarcelVos]

EDIT: And of course there's still a mistake in this video. Despite me literally talking about it on stream yesterday, I forgot to include that rain will water flowerbeds. Luckily this is just an aesthetic thing, so it's one of those small mistakes that I can live with. This video is a reupload because I made a very significant mistake. In the original version I claimed that guests don't get thirstier in hot weather while they actually do. Small mistakes and omissions I can live with, but when I specifically say something is a myth while it isn't it's too much. The new bits are at 14:57 (does snow count as rain?), 17:40 (path also covers rides), and 24:46 (guests get thirstier when it's hot).

[@PostUberClarity2.0]

Ken gebeuren mienjonge

[@anonnymousperson]

When is the edited section of the video?

[@iimZeon]

I actually didnt know that at all!! Thats awesome

[@Goldenblade14]

Don't worry, OpenRCT2 will update to better fit your original scripture. What Marcel says goes!

[@MarcelVos]

@@anonnymousperson Check the updated pinned comment

[@Craze4Blaze]

"This video from Marcel Vos is really good value"

[@jasmijnariel]

Better than cheap😂

[@cemsity]

>>The current weather has zero influence on the next weather. I see Chris Sawyer choose the Midwest as his weather model.

[@brunosztuba3556]

Bless Chappell Roan for inventing the Midwest 🙏🙏🙏

[@davidmoore1253]

Britain and most of Europe are also like that.

[@snakewithapen5489]

I think that's what happens when you're stuck between a polar vortex and the gulf stream

[@SomeGuyWhoPlaysGames333]

The Pacific Northwest is like this too.

[@jokerofspades-xt3bs]

I love Oklahoma

[@DitzyNizzy2009]

Peeps: I'm not going on that ride when it's raining. Also peeps: I'll much rather walk in the rain instead.

[@suiway]

Peeps: The Mega Murder Machine looks too intense for me. Peeps when it rains: Guess I'll die.

[@Leblribrbrrq]

To be fair, going on a rollercoaster during the rain is an interesting experience for your face.

[@RyanLeanardoe]

I respect the reupload. Might just be game, but your principals are respectable.

[@josephtattum6365]

Principles**

[@RyanLeanardoe]

@@josephtattum6365 ok

[@VelocityLP]

Better principles than many. I've seen big educational channels who literally try to teach people about important stuff like health/science/math etc and make blatant mistakes but refuse to reupload a video because "the algorithm wouldnt like it :(((("

[@cappantwan2978]

I was already surprised to learn that there are no “salty” foods that affect thirst, so it’s nice to see temperature does affect thirst after all. Thanks for the update!

[@girlbuu9403]

The one that shocks me is paying more for umbrellas when it is cold. You ever been somewhere really hot and the sun is beating down on you? Umbrellas provide shade.

[@nihildwo4874]

theme park manager from Bullfrog, which came out around the same time, had the feature were you can change the saltiness of your food, with more salt making guests thirstier. I assume this myth transfered over to this game.

[@XanthinZarda]

@@nihildwo4874 Also, it was suggested in the RCT1 manual. Manual writers are often divorced of their material, so it happens.

[@K-o-R]

@nihildwo4874 I certainly remember OG _Theme Park_ allowing you to set ice in drinks, fat in burgers, and salt on fries. Can't remember any other food stalls from there though.

[@KaitouKaiju]

​@@girlbuu9403intellectually I know this, but I don't think I've ever actually seen anyone use an umbrella to shade the Sun in real life

[@TheSteakStyles]

I know I said this in a previous video, but I love Marcels pleasant "Hello Everyone!" at the beginning as opposed to the stock "WHAT'S UP GUYS"

[@siiiiiiiiiimo]

I wonder if Chris Sawyer could watch Marcel's videos and think ""ohhh so THAAATS why that happens""

[@yoshi6421]

"Oh, there's the bug I was trying to figure out." 😂

[@girlbuu9403]

Imagine a Dutchman stranding you in a flower garden path with a bathroom, dancing tiger, 999 other people, and free drinks and burgers for a decade.

[@daninda1665]

He has moved past torture and death of his subjects. He now uses them to dissect their reality and become the one true force of their existence!

[@somekindoflandcow]

Don't spoil TES6's Sheogorath questline like that come on

[@K-o-R]

@@girlbuu9403 Do I prefer this or "the goddamned furry convention"?

[@girlbuu9403]

@@K-o-R There's only the one tiger fursuit here and he's only doing it because he's getting paid. ... as far as you know...

[@K-o-R]

@@girlbuu9403 He's definitely getting... "paid".

[@EspyFoxx]

26:55 I love how guests are willing to pay more for _maps_ when it's cold. *_Maps,_* of all things.

[@mcohen8025]

Less willing to wander around lost when it’s freezing out, maybe?

[@Deathborn668]

It's goofy in general you can charge for maps in the first place. Like how *dare* you want to learn where the rides are in the park, that'll be $2, sucker.

[@LazyBoi357]

That section summarizing the video is a very welcome addition...

[@efoley27]

The table at 26:55 implies that guests will pay more for coffee when it's hot outside than they will when it's warm. I never would have guessed that!

[@deathstinger13]

maybe they can order iced coffee?

[@TS_Mind_Swept]

13:56 "Decided to explode" is just as funny as the first time SuperVinlin

[@logitfau252]

i love how this game is just a small, happy but blured memory from my childhood, yet i love this videos so much 😂😂

[@TomQuoVadis]

One of my favorite things to do was wait for a rain storm to start before building an info kiosk so I could watch the guests all flock to it and buy umbrellas at once

[@boRegah]

Very based and honest You probably sacrificed a lot of viewer interaction stats for your video in favor of the correct facts and the best content for your viewers possible. Legend!

[@Kelemeth]

Thanks for the effort of a revised version. Rewatched. Reliked.

[@pikmin_79]

"Thank God this glass floating 400 feet above my head is keeping me dry from the rain"

[@CanOfRabbitHoles]

Shoutout to Pearl! Love that you're a hermitcraft fan. TBF me and Deurklink are too lol

[@harkeofficial]

I have trouble paying attention to an actual movie, but I am glued to the screen when it's a 29 minute video about weather in RCT2 by Marcel Vos.

[@RatelHBadger]

Every time Marcel does a deep dive into the mechanics of these games, just makes me stop in awe of the brilliance of Chris Sawyer, and his ability to program the thing on his own. He could have just made a tabletop trainset simulator, but instead he added SO MUCH extra complexity to make it about rollercoaster theme parks.

[@607]

6:32 Which makes a lot of sense, because water can't freeze!

[@jewels3846]

I actually watched thw OG and watching the reupload makes me realize i was more tired than I thought last time cause stuff that wasnt new I straight up didnt remember from the original upload. Appreciate the reupload to fix the mistakes.

[@Henfredemars]

Growing up I spent maybe five years with RCT on Win95 as my primary video game, dreaming of becoming a meteorologist someday. This video connects me deeply to those feelings from long ago.

[@RatelHBadger]

Did you become a meteorologist?

[@Noxlion28]

Can’t believe Chris Sawyer made a game with this much depth, by himself, in ASSEMBLY. Is he God?

[@hi28]

possibly

[@siiiiiiiiiimo]

It constantly blows my mind aye

[@MagnusTheGreat]

i loved it when it rained in this game, most cozy times

[@TrumpLester]

It's still strange to me that the winter months aren't represented in-game because that's when IRL parks are closed.

[@texasboykc09]

Depends on the area. For me, they are open year round.

[@claudetheclaudeqc6600]

@@texasboykc09 well, the person behind the game is in the UK, so months like November to Febuary doesn't seem a good idea but few parks are still not a good idea until like may... like that one in MTL

[@dropkickedmurphy6463]

Im glad you're dedicated to this and correct your mistakes. I definitely know some people who simply just say "eh screw it it's fine" and leave it.

[@hindigente]

Weather effects are surprisingly intricate, specially the effects of rain on break failures.

[@Apocalypse4162]

Another brilliant video about the best game of all time 🙌🏻 im always amazed at how much behind the scenes detail is in this game, and that the developer even thought to add it in the first place. Its truly a work of art and I want to play so much right now but I don't currently have access to my computer! I prevent the brakes failure from being catastrophic by placing brakes at the end of the ride right before the station, usually 2 or 3 in gradually increasing brake strength to slow the train down to a crawl followed by one chain piece to pull the train back into the station, never failed me.

[@LycanFerret]

This gave me an idea. What if you made a park where it was stuck with the Thunder weather type, and you only used indoor/covered rides?

[@helloimash]

Dutifully watching in full, commenting, and liking so as not to hurt your engagement. 👍🏻

[@PaPaScha]

The Sound of Rain and Thunder is kinda relaxing to me

[@carlossch6596]

You make such amazing videos. I really appreciate the effort you put on them, and how much information I get about the game we all love. Knowing all these details makes me enjoy the game even more. Thanks a lot for your service my friend. Keep going!!

[@Chackravartin]

I've already got a How does the Weather in RollerCoaster Tycoon 2 work?

[@JustinDrentlaw]

It is a reupload with some corrections made. See his pinned comment.

[@Chackravartin]

@@JustinDrentlaw I know it's a joke based on what the guests say in RCT2

[@JustinDrentlaw]

@@Chackravartin Ah I see, sorry, the joke went over my head 😂

[@Chackravartin]

@JustinDrentlaw it's fine, I dont think its that common of a thought they say

[@KingKlear]

How does the Weather in RollerCoaster Tycoon 2 work? was great! Heading to How does the Weather in RollerCoaster Tycoon 2 work?

[@andrewahern3730]

Ah, now I know what the now hidden video was in my watch later

[@zach11241]

I just wanted to say, again, that I LOVE your videos! Keep up the amazing work!

[@Xiroxys]

"Going from zero to a hundred thirst takes a little under a year." Gah... if only 💀

[@arashikou6661]

Interesting that it can never thunder in March, which is known for being a particularly stormy month where I grew up. Same for June and July.

[@snakewithapen5489]

Same, I'm from Florida and those months are our peak rainy season here

[@PaulCashman]

Marcel's Thirstiness Test Park looks too intense for me!

[@KookueCachoo]

I really respect reuploading the video to fix mistakes. I love that dedication! ❤

[@dashcharger24]

Thanks for explaining Marcel! It's really impressive every time how much thinking is done in this game, and that without any modern solutions we have now. :)

[@SleinMcAwesome]

New video, posted just in time for my birthday! Thanks for the birthday present, Marcel! :D [Reupload]

[@rtyuik7]

15:52 - "I'm not afraid of getting a little wet, I'm afraid of an 84/100 chance of Brake Failure!" -- Guest 7134

[@dispergosum]

Your videos bring me much joy

[@litelbrown]

Fine! I'll watch it again

[@jmcdonald.1998]

Omg why is Daniel Thrasher going on Marcel’s Madness 😂

[@daanwilmer]

Tomska is much more sensible, changing his mind about Skullcrusher 9000

[@zachl1226]

Have you ever thought about a video where you rank every official RollerCoaster Tycoon scenario in the franchise (expansion packs and extra parks included)?

[@MarcelVos]

I think there are way too many scenarios I just feel entirely "eh whatever" about to rank them appropriately.

[@Samuel_Hearfield]

@@MarcelVosmaybe a top 10 worst / best scenario list would work?

[@FIamestalker]

The perfect video for this rainy day

[@baystated]

Ooooh update on thirst! I'll def ned to rewatch this reupload. Even hearing the other explanations a second time will be beneficial.

[@AJ_hebovy1997]

I guess the reason why November, December, January and February aren't in the game is because those are the colder months in the northern hemisphere and the parks are closed?

[@Davtwan]

Using scenery and path also helps avoid the underground penalty a few rides have while keeping it sheltered. Granted, I don’t know what gas this penalty besides Go Karts and Transport Rides. Also, I still wish the Water Rides thing wasn’t a myth. Oh well.

[@leolimarblerace4391]

7:38 Still a lot cooler than an average summer day in real life

[@coreygee799]

Call me Daniel Thrasher, cause I’m queuing for Marcel’s Madness.

[@LazyBoi357]

One thing I was wondering is whether or not coasters with _covered_ stations would have fewer brake failures whenever it rains. I somehow convinced myself that this was the case years ago, and I've always chosen station theming with roofs ever since!

[@GingerK2022]

Thank you for this interesting video!

[@ericdanielski4802]

Nice explanation.

[@dojelnotmyrealname4018]

8:58 Hang on, why 29/16? The fahrenheit conversion is 9/5.

[@Cryster99]

I remember being a kid and hearing a rumor that roller coasters could get struck by lightning, so any thunder storm I would close all my coasters down manually

[@renakunisaki]

I wonder how many of these quirks are intended and how many are oversights/bugs. I kinda love when games have overengineered weather. Star Fox Adventures has a whole monthly forecast system for each area even though it's only a visual effect. I think Second Life simulates air pressure and temperature.

[@Vinikida]

I would still have the idea that thunderstorms could k1ll some unlucky guests

[@madmatt1763]

Maybe combine it with the "negative thoughts make guests explode" mod then come up with a "The weather is too intense for me" thought that only happens during lightning.

[@ayylmaooooossdfsdf1782]

Respect the reupload. Commentimg for engagement :)

[@tad2021]

Here in the American South West, anytime under around 30C is still jacket weather for many. What would be a dearly heatwave in the EU is normal for jogging in a hoodie here. I do find that weird though. Its been a rather cool summer so far this year, has yet to break above 40C more than about a dozen days so far, but still got 2.5 months of summer to go and August is often the worst.

[@denskarefryzkel55]

Question does the park rate get's decressed when you drowning your own employed worker's at the park? 🤔

[@RatelHBadger]

January: brings the snow, makes your feet and fingers glow! February: Ice and sleet, freeze the toes right off your feet!

[@RatelHBadger]

Welcome March with wintry wind, would thou wert not so unkind. April: brings the sweet Spring showers, on and on for hours and hours!

[@RatelHBadger]

Farmers fear unkindly May Frost by night and hail by day June: just rains and never stops,thirty days and spoils the crops!

[@RatelHBadger]

In July the sun is hot Is it shining? No, it's not August cold and dank and wet Brings more rain than any yet

[@RatelHBadger]

Bleak September's mist and mud, is enough to chill the blood. Then October adds a gale Wind and slush and rain and hail!

[@RatelHBadger]

Dark November brings the fog Should not do it to a dog. Freezing wet December then... Bloody January again!!!

[@ThatEverydayEnthusiast]

Why doesn’t it really seem to get above 79°F?

[@Mizai]

what about the 4 other months

[@MeditationWithElsa]

Hi Marcel, I'd love to see you do a let's play of Ayers Rock with the objective to get 10.000 guests. Just an idea I had when playing rct2 today!

[@Tahngarthor]

"I want to go on something more thrilling than Skullcrusher 9000"

[@Agarillobob]

good thing I did not watch the old one yet

[@julesmoore7114]

How do you make the micro-corkscrew work without the tail? I've only ever got it to work in RTC2 with a tail, because otherwise it flys off the back and crashes by default. I don't know if I'm using the wrong mode or coaster type.

[@hakr14]

yeah okay ill watch this entire video again.

[@DLockholm]

So this video is a master class of why Celsius is objectively better than Imperials Got it

[@FoundationAfro]

I think the biggest impact of weather is--okay, I won't repost my half...uh, quarter-assed joke from the last video. Hats off to you for fixing your mistake, though! This is why you're double-digit excitement.

[@TheMiracleMirage]

Does the weather have any effect on flowers? Do the handymen have to water gardens more often in hot climate scenarios and do the flowers get watered when it rains?

[@matthiashannes3594]

Yes, flowers get watered by rain. But I don't think they wither faster when it's hot.

[@nightbringar7558]

Late rewatch as I just assumed KZbin had glitched my watch history on the video. Commenting to hopefully help the algorithm

[@Brandywine53]

Chris Sawyer = greatest programmer of all time? THE GOAT???

[@Psyn0sis]

How do we tell which scenarios have which climate conditions?

[@MarcelVos]

In OpenRCT2 you can use cheats to look at the scenario options and check the climate, but otherwise you will just have to observe the temperature. In March you can already tell the difference between cold, cool & wet, and warm/hot & dry, and then in April warm and hot & dry also have a different base temperature, allowing you to tell them apart.

[@kase9165]

Quickest relike of my life

[@the_rohir]

Always wanted to know why the year starts in march and finishes in october

[@bobkile9734]

14:50 i do wonder how bad is the coaster’s launch system at stopping a train. I still haven’t done the research myself.

[@Agarillobob]

whats the temperatures in Reamur or Leiden? we neither use Celsius nor Fahrenheit over here

[@KnightPilot]

Does sheltering queue lines keep them in a queue longer?

[@RagnarokXEterenity]

Do fountain trees give you waterlogs? I'll see myself out.

[@IIARROWS]

"It [thirst] goes from 0 to maximum state in little under a year" WOW, peeps stay really hydrated.... they are made like a cactus.

[@smkybrrn4201]

🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@NotKnafo]

9:42 what is that green liquid?

[@MaxArceus]

Liquid methane; that's what it's supposed to be, anyway.

[@LeeSmith-cf1vo]

27:40 - This is interesting, I didn't pick up on it on the 1st watch. Does this mean it's worthwhile overcharging and putting an entertainer in a food court?

[@MarcelVos]

An entertainer doesn't increase happiness quickly enough to make a difference for the 10 seconds a guest spends in a food court before trying to buy something. However, you can absolutely overcharge significantly if you keep your guests happy: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eaLPommZh9xjp5o

[@LeeSmith-cf1vo]

@@MarcelVos Ha. I remember seeing that video before but had forgotten the bit about happiness. It also explains why today I had guests exiting one ride "complaining" that the photo was too cheap, but on another ride they didn't do that... tbh I tend to leave shops and stalls on the default prices other than for umbrellas. I only bother to optimise these if I'm really struggling on a level. Rewatching your older videos you can clearly tell how much your videos have improved over the years :)

[@NicMediaDesign]

Here we go again 😅

[@jasmijnariel]

I played open rct2 for 7h today😂 No, i dont have kids, or a wife😂 And my dog is on my lap when i play😂 Living my life to the fullest😏

[@NotKnafo]

tbh hot dry is not as hot and dry irl

[@letrying2633]

the game must be set on a tropical regiom with the lack of snow

[@nameless5413]

ah weather... redone. I still find it odd that open version of the game dose not have err rain snow i dunno what thats called in english.

[@Apocalypse4162]

I think you're referring to "sleet" and that might not even be the universal English term.. sleet sleet!

[@hindigente]

Rewatching and recommenting, for algorithm metrics' sake.

[@astral1]

Guess ill learn how the weather works again 📓

[@LaurenceGrey]

why aren't there winter months?

[@Chackravartin]

A lot of theme parks (well in the UK atleast) close for the winter, I think Chris Sawyer was probably sticking to that, I think only really big parks like Disney stay open all year round but I could be wrong

[@kanrakucheese]

Given how much RCT(2) takes shortcuts and defies what you'd expect to use CPU cheap math whenever possible (as seen in this video with C to F conversion), it wouldn't surprise me if it was a deliberate choice because 8 possible values need 3 bits and 12 possible values need 4.

[@1WolfFan]

Gotta add some kind of comment to this video too. Can't remember what my old comment was, so here's a filler episode. ;)

[@danielrhouck]

25:21 Yes of course 21° is still winter for us Americans; itʼs below freezing. It seems like a reasonable temperature elsewhere though.

[@D3rH4zy]

I am not a regular RCT2 player so I just noticed this: Why are there only 8 months (March - October), does anyone know? Is it funny or obscure reason or just limited because of 8 bit?

[@FoXMaSteR001]

Fun fact : this weather behavior is more complicated than in Minecraft today...

[@MarcelVos]

Is it though? Rain, thunder, and snow all have several effects, and while the temperature of a biome cannot change, its temperature does have effects on several things as well. For example, I'm now reading that the humidity of a biome effects how quick the random exctinction of fire is. I think it's way more complicated than you think, just like the RCT2 weather is way more complicated than most people thought.

[@TheRarenth]

@@MarcelVos I didn't know about that fire/humidity mechanic at all and I've been playing since it was called the "cave game tech test". wow. Neat!