How Drones Shaped Tank Warfare in Ukraine

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Drones have become a real threat for tanks, which has been demonstrated by the war in Ukraine. How have Russians learned to deal with these drones and what can we learn from this?
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[@MadCerCells]

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[@ghostmourn]

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[@wawaweewa9159]

7:00 everything has to be deployed

[@trumanhw]

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[@phoenixfire9176]

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[@nemisous83]

Drones dont have to "destroy" a tank all they have to do is damage them and we have a lot of evidence of crews adandoning their tank after getting struck.

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

Which isn't really news. Crews abandoned tanks after a single penetration and sometimes even without one. This is seen in memoirs and diaries from the second world war.

[@mointz]

It’s probably not a bad idea to do so anymore- if your tank is stuck, and especially if an enemy drone was there to see it, there’s a pretty good chance a few artillery shells are coming your way

[@jamesedwardladislazerrudo1378]

All of the tanks have no commander operates at the gunner at least

[@1Reddd]

Drones have become a huge equalizer in warfare against two very differently equipped opponents> They are even being used to some success in Israel against the Merkava tank which is considered to be one of the most advanced and best protected tanks. Anti-air cannot shoot them down due to their small size and trophy system cannot intercept them because it's a top down attack. Drones will become an incredible tool to help level the playing field for lesser equipped militaries around the world. I suspect we'll also see more purpose-built weaponized drones come out as a product of this conflict.

[@bigblue6917]

I think we have to be careful about claims about drones not being vulnerable to AA fire. The Russians struggle with them but that is more down to poor training and equipment. Or in many cases now no training at all. A well trained soldier with a machinegun will be able to shoot one down or at the very least make it to dangerous for the drone to work in that area. So if not a kill at least a mission kill.

[@cayden2744]

Drones are only being effective because the Tanks are not being properly used at all. All i see is hatches always closed and vehicles not moving while in a exposed position, it's like they are asking to be hit, it's ridiculous.

[@planterion7969]

@@bigblue6917 Yes, AA systems like the Gepard seem to be pretty effective against drones, there is footage of them shooting down Iranian kamikaze drones.

[@RushZ3r]

Always interesting to see how warfare rapidly changes, drones are surely something interesting to talk about...

[@arlokino]

Russian work kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJ6TYmyhnJJ9rKs

[@FussyPickles]

it's simply because of a lack of air superiority this wouldn't apply to actual modern warfare; if I recall, the next generations of tanks will have drones integrated to provide better vision but that's about it.. main attacks are gonna be f 35s

[@miriamweller812]

It overall doesn't really change, since you don't win a war with that. While such "drop drones" are cheap, they can't compare with the military hardware. Yes, you can cause random destruction, just as you can use a knife to capture a plane and fly it into the Pentagon. Will you beat the USA this way? Of course not.

[@LongWalkerActual]

It's frightening. Pre-Terminator stuffs.

[@LOL-zu1zr]

@@LongWalkerActualno

[@wakko454]

When talking about anti-drone EW, it would be nice to also mention the recent proliferation of auto-tracked kamikaze drones (the new Lantsets, for example). EW doesn't work against them because they don't need a control uplink in the final attack run, they can hold the target on their own.

[@videre8884]

Things get really scary when these things become fully autonomous and no longer rely on radio control. Or a data connection is invented that is impossible to disrupt and passes through solid objects as if they weren't there. Only the successes of these drones are shown but the failures are somewhat hidden. Using a radio remote control to deliver the explosive device to the opponent has advantages and disadvantages, but it is scary. But if the explosive charge finds its way itself, it becomes much more frightening

[@steveperreira5850]

Indeed, pre-programmed to find tanks and other armored vehicles, or whatever the target, and freed from radio or satellite connection, like you say, autonomous, that is a dangerous drone. This should have been Done long ago in the US military. But they are stupid

[@krivdaa9627]

>>when these things become fully autonomous already. expect deployment in hundreds by Feb04

[@jukebox_heroperson3994]

We're seeing AI guided lancets already

[@mikes989]

@@jukebox_heroperson3994 in the terminal attack phase (as with operator directions or fully autonomous), but it seems they are testing the fully or partial autonomous search & destroy operation of the last Lancet version

[@videre8884]

@@jukebox_heroperson3994 I heard that the AI is only active in the final phase. The drone still relies on Glossnas data and the operator's radio signal. The drone still has to be steered to the target or the target area using a control signal. The AI guided targeting system is in the camera so the drone needs visual contact with the target. This AI guidance is only for the final approach and only intervenes if the signal breaks off. That's what I saw/heard.

[@userasdf1546]

You fail to mention that drone radio jammers jam friendly radio signals as well. Thats why they are not used in the field as much. If you are waiting for a command, you have to turn off the jammer. Plus, the enemy can tell when the jammer is turned on or off. Jammers work by overwhelming the channel with random noise. The enemy can hear the overwhelming signal and can triangulate the source.

[@likeyacutg4720]

Depends tho. Beacuse there are jammer out there that can jam enemy signals and not friendly signals. It's been seen in Ukraine.

[@userasdf1546]

@@likeyacutg4720 what's stopping the enemy from using that signal? they can scan all signals and use the channel that is not jammed.

[@userasdf1546]

@@likeyacutg4720 'habitual linecrosser' is an excellent source on this stuff. He is an instructor for Patriot systems and knows his stuff

[@likeyacutg4720]

@@userasdf1546 it's alot Hader then that but alright

[@alexkatc59]

@@userasdf1546 плавающая частота связи - простое решение проблемы.

[@mikedittsche]

I think you missed to mention the spotter drones of various sizes and ranges which have an even bigger impact on the battlefield and tank deployment. For the first time in warfare history there is no fog of war as there are spotter drones virtually everywhere at all times. This leads to big changes in the movement of assault units which get rather smaller, because a group of AFVs are going to be spotted earlier and subsequently hit by artillery on the approach already. I bet that not only tanks but all AFVs need to get dedicated upwards faced drone detection and hardkill systems in the near future. There is no other way and the cope cages can't provide adequate protection and as you mentioned interfere with escape routes from the vehicles.

[@smeminem1258]

i wonder if armor is gonna get re-thought of considering that leopard that got taken out by the FPV drone, doesn't matter if you have ~1000 mm of RHA at the front if a little drone with an RPG warhead can just steer itself to the top of it and point itself down to hit the ammo stowage

[@itsawoodchuck4330]

It’s gonna have to be, otherwise tanks will become entirely obsolete as drones become more common.

[@mcnuffin1208]

​@@itsawoodchuck4330tanks are going nowhere.

[@off6848]

This is what I was saying flip the armor around 800mm on top with little side and front glacias armor

[@mcnuffin1208]

@off6848 well that just makes them vulnerable to cheap, conventional ammunition again. The future is definitely laser anti drone systems and active protection systems like the trophy. That's likely our best chance at defeating top attack munitions/drones.

[@off6848]

@@mcnuffin1208 I mean it doesn’t need paper armor everywhere else use 700mm on top 80mm on sides 100mm on front The survival rate should be substantial as it is now fpv drones are hitting the tops with as little as 40mm of armor It would also of course be a brand new type of vehicle because tanks are designed to specifications concerning armor placement

[@MyMomSaysImKeen]

RedEffect is the closest thing to a father I've ever had

[@d4ze266]

He who teaches us about warfare, tactics and most importantly, Russian tank reverse speeds.

[@KGBSpyGeorgeCostanza]

A cather who teaches me about tank warfare FATHER!!!!!

[@kuunoooo7293]

Same

[@KGBSpyGeorgeCostanza]

@@u2beuser714 lmao thanks for the laugh friend, lazerpig was just unbearable to me

[@yonilivni9548]

Tank-specialist dad .

[@wakko454]

Actually programmable air burst is better against drones than proximity fuse ammo. Because (a) proximity fuses can have a problem with small, mostly non-metallic drones, and (b) they're very expensive - such a fuse alone will be more expensive than a $400 FPV kamikaze drone. Programmable air burst has enough shrapnel coverage to account for small errors in distance measurement, and is way cheaper.

[@Spectre4490]

I think the next step will be to deploy 1-2 antidrone vehicles to protect the column, like the idea of deploying 2 Kugelblitz to defend Maus from air attacks

[@mirceam7152]

xDDD@@luisurdiales3091

[@eliasziad7864]

There is also helicopter EW coverage option. Tanks are much harder to destroy nowadays than during ww2, this is what people forget.

[@LOL-zu1zr]

@@luisurdiales3091what😳

[@nextcaesargaming5469]

@@eliasziad7864 They are harder to destroy *on paper* In 80 years, anti tank weaponry has made truly spectacular leaps and bounds ahead of tank protection capability. Plus, artillery has remained (will will continue to remain) the ultimate GOAT. I honestly doubt there is a single tank on the planet that cannot be penned by current AT ordinance.

[@adillakandi.r]

Russia already developed a mobile SPAA with BMP chassis (2s38). I think that could be used as a anti drone vehicle in the column

[@ViolentCabbage-ym7ko]

This is why SPAAG will make a comeback

[@planterion7969]

Gepard my beloved

[@12LoLproductions]

I wonder if this will ultimately effect the civilian drone market

[@ryzziktrognesou1]

It already is!

[@namtar223]

@@ryzziktrognesou1In what ways would say it’s being effected or may be effected in the future?

[@cstgraphpads2091]

@@namtar223 People can buy them and use them in the same way? Why go out with a gun to try to murder someone when you can just drone them?

[@LOL-zu1zr]

DJ drone company in china panicked and came out with an official statement saying they only sell civie drones after being praised by the Russian defense minister.

[@TheeWolfiee1]

@@cstgraphpads2091oh right so you’re saying all these mass murderers, who can hardly use the gun they own anyway. Are now going to be able to make/purchase their own explosives for drones now? 😂

[@scorpiontdalpha9799]

Can you take a look at the vietnamese modernised T54B ?

[@arlokino]

one vietnamese modernised T54B against 8 Ukraine's tanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqTIoIaJiM2Jr9U

[@mrmakhno3030]

As a Vietnamese I must say that's a boring topic, it is a good tank, it's sufficent to the combined arm tactic of Vietnamese ground forces, and it will be blew up by literally anything stronger than SPG 9 and Fagot. That's all. If that tank get a 125 mm smoothbore gun and better engine in the 2nd phase of the program , Red will surely make a video about it.

[@scorpiontdalpha9799]

@@mrmakhno3030 As a Vietnamese, I don't care, I just want him to say something about it

[@TwT6]

Drones definitely change how it will be the future conflict And excellent content as usual

[@arlokino]

Russian work kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJ6TYmyhnJJ9rKs

[@romankovalev7894]

I didn’t see anything about the Russian electronic warfare systems Krasukha 1 and 2 and Dyvnomorye and others. Of course, they do not work locally, but simply turn off all communications or GPS for many miles around the installation. Drones, UAVs, missiles - everything in the air falls. A canopy or visor over the tank was originally made against the Javelin anti-tank missile, which in one of the modes shoots a cumulative jet from above. And in another mode, Javelin has a relatively short range and penetration

[@texoschannel4907]

Rusian guys on the ground say those systems work great especially against JDams and HIMARS, but there isn’t enough of them to cover every km of the front. Turning off GPS does not make UAVs and drones fall :) There is a great Russian channel on youtube called “крупнокалиберный переполох» - they recently tested 3 types of jammers vs. a drone. Very interesting results kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKO6oGpvlJKNpbMsi=h2HsKK_qv9qk0Myn

[@romankovalev7894]

@@texoschannel4907 Yes. It works against all systems that use GPS to correct location. But there are systems among them that cut off the operator’s signal. I just don’t know which of them exactly - since it’s secret. In general, all communication signals are turned off. And yours too. Ukrainians wrote a lot in 22 about the fact that the Russians are so ancient that they are at war with wired communications. Meanwhile, the Russians buried Bayraktar, for which the United States and Ukraine prayed. There, several thousand pieces were delivered to Ukraine through gasket companies, I watched an interview with the Deputy Defense Minister of Turkey. These are large and powerful systems. Krasukha covers an area with a radius of 100 miles with an umbrella. Which is both a plus and a minus - since it is impossible to use near large populated areas. And they are unlikely to be given to a blogger. The USA has a similar system on the Prowler plane if my memory serves me correctly Thanks for the channel, I'll watch it in my spare time

[@Heinrich_STG44]

Great content. Thanks for keeping us updated.

[@MASEPvAbramsMBT]

love your content, was talking to my friend hanz (idk what he goes by in your dizzy) and I saw this and showed it to him and it turned out he already saw. keep it up, love your stuff.

[@AlreadyTakenTag]

It is only a matter of time until Ace Combat 7's drones become reality. And this time there won't be pilots capable of 99G turns to save us.

[@arlokino]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJ6TYmyhnJJ9rKs

[@wawaweewa9159]

thats what turkey trying now

[@Welterino]

I can't believe how oblivious the armies were to these new threats, we knew before any war broke out that drones were good at harassing tanks, way more than 3 years ago we already knew and NOTHING was done to counter it. They need to design a specific drone AA and mass produce it ASAP, It's not like it will only be good against drones since any AA can wreck infantry as well. I know there are some designs already, the most promising being the ones mounted on regular pickup vehicles but what boggles my mind is how the hell no major army has starting spamming these from factories in the last 3+ YEARS.

[@MrCarcass1978]

100% agree with you! Been preaching these points for years, especially since Azerbaijan and Armenia again faced off against eachother a couple of years ago and just recently and the resultant success of Azerbaijani forces were multiplied by use of drone warfare, exp. Bayraktar drones from Turkey.

[@texoschannel4907]

You knew jack shit. Everyone was seeing drones as aircraft that carried munitions. The drones right now are different to that - they’re kamikadze drones with enough power to carry basic HEAT charge. Russia is now fielding AI-guided drones that are more similar to cruise missiles than Bairaktars everyone was raving about 2 years ago and which are not seen anymore

[@MrCarcass1978]

@@texoschannel4907 Thankyou expert, you obviously know everything about everything. 3 points. 1.Turkey still produces the Bayraktar. 2.Your grammar is terrible, you can't even spell Bayraktar while trying and failing to preach to us all about drones such as Bayraktar. 3.I call bullshit on your supposed insight and knowledge regarding drones. You supposedly know so much about drones years ago yet militaries around the world are ignorant to the fact at the time. Russia is a classic example of this going into their special operation into Ukraine. Armenia as I pointed out also. Please show me the receipts of your supposed knowledge of these facts at this time. I know you won't do this so you obviously must be a genius and read the future. Gold star to you.

[@texoschannel4907]

@@MrCarcass1978 woa take it easy kid, you’re the one claiming you knew it all along while militaries around the world were being morons. I just called you bullshit, no need to tip over your crib. I never claimed divine knowledge about anything, you’re just being butthurt because adults don’t let you play an expert. You’ll grow out of it eventually. Turkey producing Bairaktar only means there is enough market for it in the world. It’s still useful against armies with undeveloped air-defence, like US or European armies for example. Take it easy kid :)

[@MilesKiyaAnny]

This happen back to Vietnam as well. Light tank deployed and it wreck everything til enemy deploy counter and same as Iraq. It just like random US general/businessman said. We exploit and they counter it. But here i really wonder what happen to all AAA rader auto cannon russia went to?? Why they all deploying turret rocket alike AA tank or maybe no one post video of them at all? You dont shoot small target with nuclear size rocket. Also these drone spotting 10 kg away if it is the best. I dont think there anything to counter it. Except they begin developed anti drone misslie firing 10 km away.

[@wogelson]

Whenever red effect uploads it feels like Christmas

[@Kroq_Gar]

Anyone else like the cope cage and T series tank combo? It looks fire.

[@thanakornkhumon7365]

Nice video Red.

[@noname-wo9yy]

Ranged based proxy fuses are not that bad, as the range is set on each individual round as it leaves the barrel. So it can be constantly fed information from its range finder

[@andrewezjevikov]

German AA cannons use the same principle

[@gaysex9336]

Never thought I'd see the day when tanks get nipples but here we are

[@stayhungry1503]

i think they should mount like an auto-shotgun / flak gun on the roof that points rear/upwards and when it detects an incoming object it starts popping small airbursts. it would have very short range so it doesnt have to be big, just very quick firing.

[@DanielNotWise]

>detects an incoming object >bird

[@stayhungry1503]

haha that could happen i guess. but rather kill a few birds than get blown up by a drone. also at least now during autumn and winter there are very few birds flying around@@DanielNotWise

[@comediangj4955]

I hope the next ARMA game will properly reflect the small drone aspect of current warfare. We already have antipersonnel small drones from the humanitarian DLC (ironic) in amra 3, but we don't have anti armor small drones.

[@stevemrayz357]

I can't wait for your updated Merkava vs rpg analysis

[@dhanu_4539]

if the Russians are deploying those systems, why aren't they on the demining vehicles and TOS flamethrowers? I would think that those are priority systems that need to be protected first.

[@fpsserbia6570]

i don't think they can produce enough of them, so they are probably using them on a very small number of units in the most critical areas

[@joaomiguelmoreira6363]

I mean its pretty recent, and russian numbers are still vast so the producion has a lot of catching up to do. TOS arent really in the front line per say and the russian usually prefer tanks with mine rolers

[@miriamweller812]

Just because you got the Nazis giving you a focus on the small number of successes here and there doens't mean that you don't have 100 times the amount of failures.

[@jkl9984]

TOS aren't really on the front lines so that's one thing to note. Also a thing to note, is that it's a pretty new development. Things aren't that quick to manufacture at start.

[@heyho4770]

​@@joaomiguelmoreira6363TOS has pathetic range for an indirect fire weapon. They used a T 72 hull for that excact reason

[@tk03_85]

IIRC, Japan recently mounted an anti-drone laser on one of their 8 wheeled APCs. It’s just in testing / prototype phase, but cool nonetheless.

[@tomk3732]

Soviets had a laser tank in the 80s.....

[@liamtung4435]

@@tomk3732 that didn't go anywhere because it was shit

[@TADAMAT-CZ]

​@@tomk3732and? Thats a completely different thing...

[@krivdaa9627]

laser won't fix anything. it may be used for rears and for stationary targets only.

[@cockatoofan]

@@krivdaa9627 laser has been used against missiles forever and US Navy ships also mount laser based missile defences.... you underestimate the tracking accuracy of these systems, though a drone of course being low mass is much more free to change directions rapidly than a cruise missile.

[@Ganiscol]

That magnetic drone suppression pimple could become a target for snipers with anti-material rifles, though. And then follow up with a drone. But in general, its not surprising that the quick rise of the drones will lead to the quick demise of the drones we currently see, until they are able to circumvent jammers by being autonomous.

[@off6848]

Sure just like the thermals and trophy but that rarely if ever happens Ukraine is low on .50bmg and 338 lapua too a guy on Ukrainian national tv was talking about it just yesterday

[@ebperformance8436]

Or looted off a abandoned Russian Tank, and retrofitting on a leopard 2, challenger, or M1A2 Abrams. Or the Ukrainians have already came up with these Drone suppression systems. This technology isn’t very new…..most prisons in America has those very systems in place’ it keeps drones out’ they keep Contraband from being flown in via Drone. Our border walls have them also….it keeps drug smuggling under control. Some major parks, and schools have them also. The Whitehouse grounds has several in place….for obvious reasons.

[@Ganiscol]

@off6848 I doubt they are low on .50BMG. Its part of the millions of small arms ammo carted over from the US every month. Its really not a special type of ammo, they got .50s mounted on virtually all US supplied Humvees and other IFVs. However, the question is how many M82 do they have and soldiers using it in that role of specifically taking out add-ons that reduce effectiveness of drone attacks, including sensors, point defense and reactive armor?

[@ABSiddekAnik]

Redeffect is one of the most wellinformed creator in youtube.

[@nikitatarsov5172]

K2 Black Panther EX show vehilce had a anti-drone EM weapon mounted on its RWS. I guess it has been done for flex and look scifi, and will not really be part of the actual export versions, but anyway, i find it interesting that someone managed to see the PR relevance to do that.

[@mosesgoldbergshekelstien1520]

I guess we’ll see a return of a Shilka like armoured vehicle If you can’t prevent the drones with active and passive electronic warfare then it’ll come back to reliable accurate firepower

[@wawaweewa9159]

a 40mm automatic grenade ona tank or light vehicle equipped with cannister shot and radar sensor designed to detect small objects and drone signal emissions

[@jamesedwardladislazerrudo1378]

Military are now spending on anti air system with HE-VT ( High-Explosive Variable Time) was way back WW1

[@mrmakhno3030]

Shilka will become sitting duck. It need to use eye to detect target and use radar to lock on target , and FPV drone is very hard to detect and lock by any mean.

[@mosesgoldbergshekelstien1520]

@@wawaweewa9159 great idea! Though the problem with detection of drones with radars is the clutter in the atmosphere can disrupt the automatic tracking on such small targets, drone tracking happens at extremely close range something that visual imagery would do better and drones are plastic and it wouldn’t be hard to start adding light radar refracting material onto cheap drones My guess is FLIR cameras integrated with algorithms for drone targeting so a hard kill close in weapon system can fire 20mm sensor fragmentation rounds

[@wawaweewa9159]

@@mosesgoldbergshekelstien1520 tbh these APS systems are too hard and expensive to mass deploy, I think a simpler solution where soldiers with 40mm rifle grenades loaded with cannister shot are aided by a simpler radar system that passively detects wireless drone signal emissions to provide a direction and altitude for infantry, this can be more easily implemented and spread to the masses, and then add the complex and expensive all in one automatic APS once its more developed and reliable

[@MatoVuc]

I'm fairly certain that the russian have or can develop proximity fuses for their anti-drone 30mm rounds, but it's probably more reliable to just distance fuse them since the drone might be too small a target to reliably trigger the proximity fuse

[@kite2036]

That, and prox fuses are (when compared to a timed fuse) so much more expensive, both time and money wise. If you want to outfit a military with that sort of system, simplify it.

[@mrmakhno3030]

It's simply too expensive with Russia (and with any countries considering the very low economic efficiency).

[@texoschannel4907]

30mm is not a good shell due to it’s size - not much explosives can be stuffed into it and the resulting fragments are not big enough to damage reliably. 40mm and 57mm is what everyone is working on., there are prototypes in different countries at different stages of completion. Proximity fuses normally work with magnetic fields to set them off, that wouldn’t work with drones due to the material they’re made from. So that leaves programmable range activation

[@MatoVuc]

@@texoschannel4907 since the drone itself is a fairly fragile target, at least the cheap FPV drones, wouldn't just the blast from the 30mm be enough to damage it? That said, I agree that 40mm and 57mm would be better than 30mm for this tasking and could perform other tasks better, if you are building a dedcated vehicle for it anyway.

[@texoschannel4907]

@@MatoVuc it would not be enough due to the material it’s made from - plastic. It still holds shape even you make holes in it. You need to hit and damage critical parts to make it fall, let alone destroy it. 30mm shell barely has enough space to have a sensor, and the space that’s left is not enough to have meaningful blast. Don’t forget that to have good hit ratio for your shell fragments you need them to be big enough and fast enough to do serious damage, but the biggest challenge is to have enough of big fragments. 30mm shells don’t produce anything fitting that criteria - fragments are minuscule, they lose their speed too fast and there are not many enough of them. Hence it’s pointless

[@102ndsmirnov7]

Drones are scary, me no likey. They allow such precise targeting with either drone munitions or guiding artillery fire. They also allow for much easier coordination between all the different elements of the army AND they're cheap. Drones are just terrifying.

[@itsawoodchuck4330]

Drones OP… nerf pls…

[@krivdaa9627]

It's not scary. Scary is that they are available worldwide at a $500 cost. To literally anybody. That's much, much worse threat than handguns are.

[@fabik805]

@@krivdaa9627You will still need the explosives.

[@kurczakpl1866]

@@fabik805 blades, pikes, lances, acid, simple and available for all.

[@krivdaa9627]

@@fabik805 it's not really a that great problem for bad guys.

[@LooWa01]

A good short summary

[@centeroftheuniverse7196]

Dont forget drones(quadcopters) started in middle east. I forgot who dropped a 3d printed mortar onto a middle east allied humvee. And cage armor in syrian t-72s due to the same drones. But its true these two were used in massive scale.

[@FPK___]

hey red effect u think u could make a update video on the merkava series? maybe go over the limited info on the MK5 Barak??? thank u for posting these vids their amazing!!!!

[@besh5045]

Great video as always, keep it up man

[@JorjiC0st4v4-mm6vu]

You didn't even watch it

[@arlokino]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJ6TYmyhnJJ9rKs

[@IceGuadian]

APS systems that shoot nets like a bond villain lair would have to catch the drones midair would be my take on the drone problem

[@Stependiya]

war is the engine of progress , the Russian Terminator tank was created during the war in Chechnya for urban battles , today in Ukraine Russia is modifying tanks for a new war and is learning a lesson. Do you think NATO will modernize its tank forces to fight drones and mass weapons against drones, and what ideas about Abrams, Merkava tanks based on their cost and complexity of production will the Russian T72/80 tank be the best average price/quality today?

[@al1sa920]

Maybe it's time for Europe to move away from tanks since they're becoming obsolete with each day passing by. 1 Leclerc can't do anything against 5 T-72s

[@texoschannel4907]

As history shows - the best solution lies in adapting tactics, and not with new devices. Instead of turning every tank into a self-propelled do-it-all vehicle it’s cheaper and easier to have one dedicated vehicle in each platoon/company.

[@PRyyyvv]

I just noticed west equipments paint brown 😂 Middle East slayers

[@saika4043]

that RPG rocket dropped on the Merkava only hit the basket on the back of the turret, nice im bro

[@kikokltzhke8266]

It really feels like we are entering that weird but less famous transitional phase between two famous eras like the dark ages (were the barbarian kingdoms become a topic) between roman times and medieval ages or the pike and shot era between the medieval ages and the no-more-polearms-just-guns-only 7 years war and napoleonic era (were countries like spain, sweden and poland became great) and that era between the napoleonic and ww1 where everybody is starting to make repeating rifles and pistols, less flamboyant uniforms and ironclads

[@evo3s75]

damn, War Thunder really didn't lie with their "Drone Age" update last year... Drone's truly are the cancer of the battlefield

[@MikevomMars]

I heard the contrary - Ukraine is now already producing an own anti drone system which was already field tested quite successfully. The successful use of it was even mentioned in russian milblogging channels.

[@Nathan-jh1ho]

You'd think it would be easy to jam those drones. But I guess if they put jammers on tanks, somone will make a jammer homing missiles

[@Biervampir92]

There is a wide range of frequencies you need to be jamming. Also you need to somehow make sure that you're not jamming your own side's drones

[@Slav4o911]

The problem with jammers is, you can't run them 24/7 otherwise you'll jam your own communications and your own drones. Also it's very hard if not impossible to detect a small plastic drone with a radar. It would probably look like a bird or smaller than a bird... than means you have to turn on your anti drone weapon every time a bird or a large bug flies around.

[@thodorisevangelakos]

5:40 can I recommend a name? The copetagon

[@asimjabbar8445]

AI powered drones would easily circumvent those drone signal disrupters, where the operator's inputs wouldn't be required anymore and drone would attack the target on its own.

[@bestLinuxGamer]

Hello i'd like to ask you one thing since you propably know more stuff about ERA than me. Would double stacking or triplestacking Kontak-1 era increase the protection against apds-fs and tandem ATGM's? Since the Ukranian Duplet era works simmilar to that by stacking 3-4 Nodz pieces on top of eatch other for more protection.

[@texoschannel4907]

If it was that simple - they would already do that. Double stacking is not going to work. But having larger charge or different material plates might help. Also bigger air-gap between the plates or ERA unit and the tank.

[@MizanQistina]

Tanks now are like old armored knights in the musketeers era

[@Lipi19821]

Afaik Lancet has almost the same warhead as ATGMs.... so I would think they kinda do the job done, even against the tanks.... especialy last version idk

[@DoeBoy999]

The problem with off the shelf drones is if you can disconnect them from the control interface most of them are programmed to auto-land.

[@PitFriend1]

The biggest problem is spotting the things in the first place. Having more and decent thermal optics can really help with drone defense. The drones stand out against the sky and once spotted can be fired at by regular guns much less special anti-drone ones.

[@yoyo2598]

It’s still incredibly hard to hit a fast drone coming at you or moving in any way. Plenty of videos out there of groups of soldiers trying to shoot down a drone they see and not hitting it. You need dedicated anti-drone systems to counter them.

[@magnusthered4973]

@@yoyo2598 could bring out shotguns

[@LOL-zu1zr]

@@magnusthered4973sensor detonated shells can work

[@oim8254]

​@@magnusthered4973 Payload drones can accurately drop grenades at altitiude higher than the effective range of shotgun shells. Suicide drones can dodge shotgun shells faster than the shooter can correct its aim.

[@mrmakhno3030]

Even thermal doesn't help, especially with FPV drone.

[@workingproleinc.676]

Imagine a Swarm of Drones 😮

[@DerEine454]

I would like to ad that the Ukrainians have developed a counter drone jammer for vehicles called "Piranha 360" which passed field tests and will go now in serial production.

[@Silver_Prussian]

The russians have also developed such systems called the Volnorez

[@DerEine454]

@@Silver_Prussian Which is part of the video

[@Silver_Prussian]

@@DerEine454 ohh yeah I skipped that part

[@saucyinnit8799]

"in serial production" Whatever that can mean from Ukraine is likely 1 unit/month unless RhineMetal is the one doing the actual production.

[@tomk3732]

It is only a Fpv jammer and of limited numbers even less than Russia. It will not counter Lancet drones. Which Russia has and Ukriane does not.

[@LtKharn]

While drone that strike are obviously having a large impact, I think the amount of ISR they provide is even more important. Now every unit has quick and cheap reckon, every artillery unit can have near real time adjustments etc. Whats more is that jamming those drones will be almost impossible.

[@viktordimoski100]

Whether active protection systems can intercept artillery shells?

[@forgemaster12]

Drone warfare is the next new way to fight wars Russian: Let’s slap condoms with magnets to our vehicles to counter this

[@yaboyed5779]

Where can I see the documentaries?

[@langweilerkanal7894]

5:35 wich AA gun does have ammo with sensors? Even Matnis works on programmed distance.

[@mikes989]

dont know. proximity fuse munition are usually of bigger caliber

[@JeffBilkins]

So is NATO ready for this? I don't hear a lot about it. Not sure if some Humvee Avengers are going to cut it against active drone users.

[@mrmakhno3030]

No. No peace time army in the world right now are ready for the current level of drone operation in Ukraine.

[@heyho4770]

Some solutions like AHEAD ammo already exist and lasers are just getting started. Its also difficult to assess how good western EW systems would fare and in the end the US probably has already some cursed drone systems including adequate counters ready to go. The lack of very quick pivots there is really telling

[@correctionguy7632]

Americans already had drone jammers in their HMMWVs or in a backpack while on foot in afghanistan several years ago.

[@shooterdefronvrps2]

i imagine a god use for the cope cages is making them serve double duty like you already putting a giant antena shaped ich hunk of metal on your tank and your already putting a device that emit counter radar signals to make the drone operator loose control i imagine that mixin the two toghether would be effective

[@Silver_Prussian]

Can you make a video on the black eagle tank cause it was an interesting project that you have only briefly mentioned in one of your other videos.

[@arlokino]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJ6TYmyhnJJ9rKs

[@mrmakhno3030]

it's a decoy. Russian authority later admited that Black Eagle was just a media stunt to distract everyone from the actual future Russian MBT program at that time- T 95. Then Serdyukov came and shut down both.

[@jaxonl7810]

Cope

[@irinaluchianova3015]

Redeffect is the only man I trust on the internet

[@jamesmandahl444]

Highly disagree with the idea of independent sensors on air burst rounds being much more effective. I'd say there are trade offs and expense is certainly part of that.

[@leohard1814]

I wonder if systems like trophy would be useful against drones. Also those remote hmgs would be useful if yhe can work autonomously

[@eliasziad7864]

Yes it is.

[@damntrain1494]

No because drones are flying pretty slow compared to atgm's or rpg's which the systems are proggramed for. Drones will be recognized as non threat

[@nanab256]

I am suprised noone invented underbarrel 12ga shotgun as a antidrone gun

[@damien2198]

To my understanding new drones like the Lancet are getting past the EW by using computer vision/ autonomous targeting

[@mbtenjoyer9487]

Auto canon with proxy fuze ammo ?

[@pierceplaysstudios245]

Lancets and FPVs have taken out aircraft! Russian transports and bombers (almost a KA52) Ukrainian mig29s and 25s. Sure, they were on the tarmac, but the possibility of small little missiles basically running into, let's say F35s on runways should be terrifying thinking cost wise Edit: typos

[@gerfand]

Have you saw the chinese take on Geran-2?

[@fpsserbia6570]

@@gerfand can you post some links

[@gerfand]

@@fpsserbia6570 sorry, can't really since it was a twitter (KZbin only link KZbin) and I saw that a few months ago.

[@benni16it]

you probably dont come that close with a fpv drone^^

[@raptonsoul2557]

@@gerfand are you talking about the drone helicopter boomer? Honestly the Twitter boat was weird but seem like a safer way to bomb some, they should make it so it can bomb from a higher altitude do, also it’s big enough that less complex AA system can hit it. Seem like a good concept but needs work.

[@eioclementi1355]

I wonder if drones carrying ERA/APS could counter incoming drone attacks or projectile impact...will this be the next step in modern warfare.

[@krhml3092]

I want the same shit you've been smoking while postin this.

[@eioclementi1355]

@@krhml3092the concept would be form a pseudo dome around the vessel you could even stack the ERA drones in tandem if needed.not to protect to increase the system coverage automatically tracked by the on board systems and cameras.

[@fpsserbia6570]

@@eioclementi1355 what ? you expect someone to fly a drone into another drone midflight ?

[@shikiextend]

If you're gonna use a drone to take out another drone, why not just have it carry an explosive charge with shrapnel? Using ERA blocks for it sounds like some Wile Coyote shenanigans. How would you even trigger the ERA reaction to begin with?

[@videre8884]

@@eioclementi1355 I think you mean an APS system. ERA are the tiles that explode when hit. APS means Active Protection System and ERA means Explosive Reactive Armor.

[@marmf9135]

what is the name of these documentaries?

[@handsomeivan1980]

I wonder how that T-80 reproduction thing went Like I really really wanna know more

[@off6848]

They should build armored vehicles with high armor and v hull on bottom for mines and high armor on top cutting down the side front and rear armor since hits by tanks and rpgs seems to be more rare than fpv strikes

[@rogeriofukuma4077]

Alot of drones use improvised rpg rounds, so they still have it but uses it differently

[@amirsadeghi9888]

anything on idf tank losses?

[@trumanhw]

It's called the _Volnorez_ ... drone suppression system.

[@newerty1294]

can you do a video about IDF armor losses in Gaza

[@trololoev]

i prefer to have little problem with leaving tank, that has no protection against fpv drones. Also RED probably didn't watch any information about this cages, because they a) can be push away when leaving tank or getting inside tank b) it not fully metal so it can't bend and block hatches. Unlike Merkava metallic cage. watch video about this cages. Also Russian one also protect against Javeline or NLAW

[@correctionguy7632]

They do make it more difficult to exit the tank, even if you can push away the net. >"Russian one also protect against Javeline or NLAW" lol

[@seneca983]

I'm surprised you didn't mention unarmed drones used just for observation. Surely that's pretty important too?

[@Richwiking318]

Bobr the best in the game

[@stayhungry1503]

im very surprised that they dont design the cope cages to stick out further back, since the drone usually hits the rear of the tank, not the turret

[@JK-dv3qe]

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[@icetea8946]

I wonder if hard kill APS like trophy and afghanit can destroy drones since they're slow moving and big compared to shaped charges.

[@SnoW-pk9zo]

Nope

[@Slav4o911]

No, they can't detect them, they are made out of plastics and the flying profile is entirely different.

[@innelator6941]

1: proximity ammunition is gonna be ineffective against small drones. They are very small and made mostly of plastic, as proximity detonator use metal detection 2: there is Lancet 3 drone already announced that has an AI that can be used on final stage of attack. It’s still in tests but you can find video of it working in AI mode

[@theguy1506]

That statement on proximity rounds is blatantly false (at least when referring to Western munitions), which utilize radio fuzing, which is already known to work on plastic parts, as for the lancet I cannot say weather or not they will be effective

[@user-nw4kc9ug3n]

no proximity aa shells use a rudementary radar to detect an object in front of it, then detonate nearby the object

[@heyho4770]

New western ammo gets programmed to explode after a certain amount of time while leaving the barrel. Drones, Artillery, Mortar, etc. get just swatted out of the sky if those systems are as capable as claimed.

[@innelator6941]

@@theguy1506 I guess I remembered about old shells only

[@innelator6941]

@@theguy1506 and about lancet. System is simple: operator controls drone from start and finds target. Then, when drone dives into it, operator can lose control and have a high ping which is not nice. So, that’s the time when ai comes in. Pretty simple.

[@tcideh4929]

Russia loves to find tons of solutions to a problem, often very high tech ones, and then get the most durable and reliable system for the cost. The entire AK platform was born from this thinking. The high tech stuff is just attempted flexing, they know they will get the rugged system anyway.

[@jimrrussell8250]

I love the term cope cage and how professional it is used

[@augustbutler9096]

What’s title of your channel theme song?

[@64ND41-F]

The real question is: Is an MBT still a good weapon . . . or is it useless like a Battleship after WWII

[@Bayofthe91st]

In the early stage of the war, many mocked Russians for putting cope cages for its ridiculous visuals. Now their opponents, and even IDF's almighty Merkava had one lol

[@Biervampir92]

Yeah because the russians intended them to be effective against Javelins, which they are useless against. Of course FPV drones carry a much lighter warhead

[@torakazu2269]

The cages were found on day 1. Ukraine wasn’t using grenade dropping drones until a couple months in.

[@ivankrylov6270]

​@@torakazu2269they were planning on doing more urban fighting back then

[@fpsserbia6570]

@@Biervampir92 "russians intended them to be effective against Javelins" so you are saying that probably 5-10 engineers, tested it, saw that it failed to stop heavy anti tank missiles and then approved it to be mounted on a tank as primary purpose to counter heavy anti tank missiles don't be ridiculous, anything that is going to be mounted on a tank or any other vehicle will have to be tested, and tested and tested again, before even being a prototype and then when it comes to be mounted as final product will have to go once again on a testing site where it is going to be tested by another institution so that they can confirm the results for example you have private companies in Serbia that are producing weapons and they conduct their own tests, but when it comes to be adopted in Serbian military that product have to go once again on a testing site to be tested by TOC ( tehnicko opitni centar ) after they tested it and post the result only then military decide if they are going to buy it or not, i think every country have the same approach to adopting new weapons and russia is no different then others

[@shikiextend]

@@fpsserbia6570 Most of those early cope cages were makeshift retrofits done in the field with whatever materials they had available.

[@oompalumpus699]

I hope we see affordable gunship-style drones in the future.

[@manout-kidin8735]

4:24 condoms 4 tanks 😂

[@Firespectrum122]

With all the money poured into active defence, you'd think it would be a simple matter to just make one that got drones.

[@MrKanooe]

I'm wondering how efficent the western systems created to figth against these drone will be, We see a lot of upgrade/new project including the drone warfare in mind but so far no trial by combat. But yeah, i wouldn't want to be a tanker in our current era.

[@user-it3gp4vm1z]

I wonder why most "tank destroyed" combat footage by Ukraine and Russia only shows one vulnerable isolated tank that isnt moving.

[@qihaoliu3631]

Maybe laser APS to blind or fry the electronics of drone.

[@DeepSpaceIndustriesLOL]

Hear me out, anti drone rifle mounted on a tanks unmanned turret

[@onetyone7359]

Cope cages..... I remember nafos supporters bantering about it

[@td6460]

Drones and ATGMs have made armored vehicles without hard kill APS obsolete.