How Elon Musk solves problems: First principles thinking explained | Lex Fridman Podcast Clips

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[@LexClips]

Thanks for watching this clip. Full podcast with Elon Musk and Lex Fridman is here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqm1dqBpqJammaM

[@lautaroortiz2620]

sure:)

[@onigbindeoluwamuyiwa4135]

here: "physics is law and every other thing is suggestion". that's the takeaway! the fact that he thinks manufacturing should approach the cost of arranging atoms in a particular way coupled with the cost of IP is simply amazing!

[@avinouthkrs2126]

Thanks bro.. also what does IP mean?

[@onigbindeoluwamuyiwa4135]

@@avinouthkrs2126 intellectual property

[@jacksi8303]

Can you explain what does that mean? I don't quite get it 😁😁😁 Thanks.

[@onigbindeoluwamuyiwa4135]

@@jacksi8303 an intellectual property is a creation of the mind used in business or commerce. if it's your creation and you patent (register it as yours) you could get paid by other people who use it to make money. technologies and procedures can be IP.

[@onigbindeoluwamuyiwa4135]

@AmateurThespian oh really? how do you mean?

[@DavidSiskinNYC]

I'm building a shoe factory in Texas and the idea of disregarding the tools and methods which have always been used manufacturing this particular shoe design and concentrating on the ideal of the perfect product has opened my mind to a universe of possibilities I had never before imagined. Thank you Lex and thank you Elon!

[@salvadoravila7145]

I do care. Congratulations @David

[@RogerBLai]

I care as well

[@7thwondergamin]

@@andybaldman what's wrong with you goofy 🤣❤️ future is bright let's build

[@milind-9683]

Bro do it. Miserable people will make miserable comments. We all care about new ways of thinking and doing things. Jus do it.

[@7thwondergamin]

@@andybaldman the world needs less of your negative attitude. Building a future should anticipate sustainability. You are probably right in being against greed and this and utopia that. But start with your own temple. Change yourself before you yell at everyone else for their own journey. Lol change yourself if you want to change the world, literally.

[@nlabanok]

I've always looked at it this way: possibility thinking in design and process, guided singularly by customer/user desires and bounded only by the immutable laws of physics.

[@iche9373]

Don’t forget to troll on Twitter

[@wowTasteThis]

7:15 on is pure gold. Applies to any type of problem solving or product. See it all the time in software.

[@dragospahontu]

Really?

[@Jimbogf]

Elon started out in software.

[@shyshka_]

one thing that is different about software is that in some fields/industries and for some requirements, the "new" methods simply suck or are not good enough. Some hippie builds a new tool/library which works for him, but is simply just dogshit at scale or with any added custom configuration, and then people are suddenly surprised why software companies are so reluctant to move to new things. And security requirements are and will continue to become only more complex as technology evolves

[@gsftom]

Damn that is the best way to think abt or approach any situation. Great interview. Amazing that I am learning of this way of thinking in my 50s / had not even heard abt this a year ago. Unbelievable (in a not good way)!

[@abou8963]

Scientific method + First Principles + AGILE = Creative Disruptor Genius. The pattern cuts the cloth...

[@abou8963]

A more perfect engineer. Build the pattern to build the mind.

[@myexperience792]

"Think of a perfect product, find the tools, and atoms are the limit", top-down thinking. Thanks for the video........

[@ReflectionOcean]

00:00:32 First principles analysis for problem-solving. 00:00:54 Applying physics laws as foundational principles. 00:01:24 Importance of not violating conservation laws in design. 00:01:51 Thinking about problems in extreme limits for solutions. 00:02:26 Volume manufacturing complexity versus design complexity. 00:03:30 Evaluating cost factors beyond volume in manufacturing. 00:04:35 Setting asymptotic cost limits based on raw materials. 00:05:54 Simplifying complex systems through first principles thinking. 00:07:42 Striving for the ideal perfect product arrangement of atoms. 00:08:38 Balancing existing methods with theoretical perfection for innovation.

[@randomlee4308]

He seems very relaxed in your interviews.

[@kingdoggie5231]

It’s because Elon respects his intellect and knows that he can learn from him and benefit from it. Imo

[@aformula4198]

@@kingdoggie5231 who is lex?..his is the first time I've come across his channel

[@janeswurld]

He’s always relaxed when interviewed. He pauses before he answers a question or takes a breath I bet it’s all part of his genius

[@dutchmastah07]

@@janeswurld well it sort of is. He just takes the time to give the best possible answer he can. Something I wish more people did before they blurted out some non sense.

[@jameshirt7689]

In a robotic way.

[@tanmayupadhyay6675]

Key learning for me: don't flow into the inertia of conventional way of doing things, instead have a vision or idea of your ideal product, then work on solving problems to manufacture the product.

[@papatips]

@Giorgio Armani ha ,22 yrs later chur

[@ascendor7250]

“I take the position that I'm always to some degree wrong, and the aspiration is to be less wrong.” - Elon Musk I need explanation of this .

[@francisco444]

I might add that he emphasizes that most people follow what they know and stick with it, so having skepticism or lessening our biases can help find new ways to solve problems.

[@iainprendergast8311]

You’ve just written your answer to your question.

[@foremarke]

Falilibilism

[@1flash3571]

@@francisco444 You are just stating what the "First Principal Thinking" is, not adding to the questions asked by web head.

[@harveydent7559]

Thinks like a scientist. Your ideas about reality are almost certainly wrong. So think that way going into it, discover new truths, and update your model/understanding of the universe. This correlates to so many things in life, including basic project mgmt. Did you ever meet a manager/employer who thought they knew everything, and then the project turned into a giant dumpster fire? People end up not succeeding because their own information bias and openness to accept being wrong. Elon's approach is just to realize you are already wrong about the path forward from the begining, so accept it and use that as the basis for your approach from the start. Similar mindset in agile software development

[@Pcoxproductions]

7:45 what is the best arrangement of atoms then how do we build the tools to make it this way

[@Soulixs]

Does anyone have a link to where JIM was educating Lex on reducing robotic cost?

[@ThisIsNotWhatItLooksLik]

5:19 I cant find this Keller talk. Does someone know if it is just no yet published or it was off camera?

[@dalbertonyebuchi]

A podcast with Jim Keller was done in February 2021: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWXLfWiFopl8gJY

[@dalbertonyebuchi]

@@ThisIsNotWhatItLooksLik ok. Maybe the conversation happened somewhere else.😄

[@eternityseven6200]

Sounds as simple as it gets building something at a fundamental level by the arrangement of atoms. The atom doesn't care what it is as long as it just is. And if you can get them in the arrangement you need, not much isn't possible.

[@eternityseven6200]

Just gotta figure out how Bosons communicate with quarks to direct protons, neutrons and electrons to organize to form matter... 🍻

[@dragospahontu]

Nice

[@mmariner2178]

Elon's engineering framework is guided by production and manufacturing at the atom level, and then considers production at the limits/extremes to assess what will produce the most cost-effective results (e.g. how can we get the cost of manufacturing done? How can we simplify the production from raw materials?

[@DexGattaca]

What do you mean by "guided" here? Based on what was said in this interview what distinguishes a carpenter manufacturing a table and a Musk making a car?

[@collector619]

It was a figure of speech

[@iche9373]

Elon isn’t even an engineer

[@quentin2578]

@@iche9373 That's what he does with most of his time even though he's a CEO.

[@iche9373]

@@quentin2578 The most time he is playing video games, Musk is an Impostor.

[@javiergaracia1116]

Why not A Unil rail which ships 3 high stacks . Straight over like flight straight to distribute centers. Could run under highways or above. With new designed lighter container tubes.

[@benabernethy1405]

I was half expecting Luca Brasi to knock on the door midway through. Elon with big Don Corleone vibes in this video. Seriously though, thank you for the podcasts Lex. Yours have been in a league of their own this year.

[@joeyschulman37]

Sometimes i swear elon makes simple ideas sound so complicated

[@maybeazzy]

Haha yeah lmao

[@Bhavesh_verma]

Maybe because he has so much knowledge, that he speaks like he's talking to someone as intelligent as him, he doesn't know we are average people who can't comprehend his alien language

[@Daniel-Davies-Gonstead-Student]

Quite to the contrary. To me at least.

[@FacundoCampazzo123]

Classic bullshit artist tactic. Make simple ideas convoluted so people think you're smarter than you are.

[@alexanderphilip1809]

first principles. Lee Kuan Yew used said something similar.

[@ivanbarbosa81]

He takes things to the limit, root cause analysis, reverse thinking 🤔, laws of physics, what if questioning.No wonder he is a genius.Thank you

[@Harry-uq9qd]

he's not a genius, by a long shot.

[@tradingjunction5003]

What

[@tradingjunction5003]

Media fucked the mind of people

[@krox477]

He's not genius the people he hire are genius

[@RAY-Money]

​@@krox477oh wow. You figured that out, must be a genius. Why don't you give it a try. Hire genius mind and be a catalyst for greatest technological breakthrough

[@villageidiot9729]

This is the ideal education, Lex and Elon together. Thank You. We are so lucky to have KZbin. Imagine if we could have watched The Fathers and Authors of the USA have long a meeting in pub or coffee house, how much stronger this nation would be.

[@darkoblake9098]

man exactly and iam not even american, i really want to somehow understand their thinking and futuristic and fearless they were. I wish was born in USA but anyway would try to make mine like yours.

[@polysopher]

@@darkoblake9098 you should visit the US man! It’s so inspiring to realize that immigrants have built this country. Elon included.

[@johnconn3054]

Federalist Papers

[@jsunproter1940]

Yeah, this is one of the higher best uses of the internet. Education direct from the source.

[@shaggyfeng9110]

good for you

[@no-won]

I'm on board 100%

[@Pcoxproductions]

6:46 weight at cost + Ip licensing = anything at volume

[@sarahcoutts4854]

Smaller and thinner the better in battery making.

[@diegonayalazo]

Thanks

[@demoticshadow2494]

Why does this seem.like it was filmed in the 90s? Awesome clip though. Always enjoy hearing elons thought process!!!

[@benabernethy1405]

Hahah that's what I thought! Loved it. Really reminded me of the opening of The Godfather. I thought Elon was going to make Lex an offer he couldn't refuse

[@nathanmays7926]

I’ve been in manufacturing engineering for 20 years and not once have I considered a product’s atoms.

[@tygerbyrn]

7:00 arranging atoms…

[@hminhph]

moving towards the theoretical ideal product with cost of its raw materials plus intellectual property costs means that costs for assembly goes towards zero. Which if we assume that there is still a human in the loop is just outrageous or simply impossible. Tnere is the possibility to fully automate assembly but that still is connected to cost of machine, maintenance etc. Those machines if designed and manufacured efficiently could lead to lowest possible cost. But then we are stuck in a loop of machines assemblying machines assemblying machines that are doing it at marginal cost. This theoretical construct is neat and all to know lower limit of cost and all. After watching this video I wonder anyways if this is just a theoretical construct for Musk or he actually thinks it is a practrically achievable goal (which I highly doubt)

[@differentisperfect1957]

6:46 7:15 7:45 9:05

[@plasmaarmelund]

His hair transplant is on point!

[@bagasmuktiwibowo919]

“ok let’s make products” “what do we need to make them” elon musk: “atoms”

[@ammavumchild5935]

Where is the answer???

[@Enfield14]

I wish elon wasn’t so nervous such a fascinating individual

[@Question-Research-wj5wr]

Excellent ❤

[@marcogalloro]

Love this mindset!🦾

[@edemetokudo6647]

Product; or technology?

[@fritzlange7934]

The words “this didn’t age well” spring to mind.

[@peterbarrett5496]

What Anout a robot that makes robots does that mess up the equation

[@elindauer]

Once you know what you want to do, physics is great for first principles thinking. But how do you use first principles thinking to decide what you want to happen? I would love to hear how Elon decides the most fundamental axioms, distinguishing good from bad.

[@marcuswhyrealis8829]

Hierarchy of needs.

[@alexanderpalencia4223]

That’s why psychics is incorrect because matter was no the first basic thing as he says atoms ⚛️ are and it shouldn’t be that hard to understand and Comprehend the formula. And I learned a similar way of thinking, I learned and understand quantum mechanics in one day, the next day the binary sistem in 30 minutes and took me two seconds to show proof but this proof it’s obsolete After learning any Science and fix knowing the solution to make it into a physical matter or formula today I started to proof math is incorrect because our system is upside down are incorrect or lack of information in their definition. But I just felt the most horrible pain right now so that means I’m not ready yet. But there’s a reason why it’s called TESLA, he created nanotechnology and pretty much everything else and he believed the way of learning things And everything has to do with the primary number . So if you can’t prove don’t even get into that because it’s not Scientology but it’s the strongest where are you thinking of the problem he said we don’t know I do but like around 1 o’clock almost had a stroke or something because every every part of my body started hurting but I’ve been taking I’ve been studying and learning more and more and I don’t want to have a stroke or aneurysm or go crazy because you are not ready all right don’t have the funds and I don’t know if I want that technology to be out for the evil to use so I’m meditation I know how to heal myself I’m just Leaving this message do you understand that if you’re not ready and you try it You will disappear I love you all

[@onthearth1]

Mmmh given the way his life has been unfolding; I don't think he's figure that out!

[@elindauer]

@@onthearth1 Ha yes maybe. To me, giving the world electric cars and reusable rockets makes Twitter missteps look like small potatoes, but since good and bad are only opinions the ones that hate him are not wrong.

[@jsunproter1940]

This is a master class here.

[@bmbunch8825]

I work in prototype work. It doesn't have to be that hard.

[@lautaroortiz2620]

hows the roadster?

[@ishaaqmohamed8788]

I would say that's a elimination thinking we get it we can't break physics why not we focus on the possible outcomes rather than just eliminating the issues

[@patkorie]

"Think backwards." - Steve Jobs

[@imad9948]

thanks for these vidoes

[@losboston]

All you gotta do is figure out the arrangement of atoms that make the perfect part. Eureka!

[@thememaster7]

This is how you should think in general

[@Morning_Rays]

Brilliant

[@javiergaracia1116]

Better idea. Air ship With multy drone copter .

[@TheElectricMan]

cool video

[@montestu5502]

He did make a rocket that can return from space and land on a pad in the ocean….

[@brandstefff]

Ah he had a team 😊

[@zimpreneur]

This logic doesn't take into account markets, competition, or scarcity. As demand for a material increases with increased volume, the price will feel pressure to change one way or another. That change can be modeled, but is impossible to 100% accurately predict. Therefore, there will always be risk associated that is impossible to avoid or control. I still think its a useful way of thinking, but its important for people to realize that luck still has something to do with a successful outcome regardless of how careful we are.

[@INTERNA9]

GENIUS

[@FirstRisingSouI]

Wait, I've always thought this way. You mean it isn't normal?

[@DexGattaca]

Its amazing how little he says...

[@Lucalikesstuff]

How do you mean this?

[@l.k.2337]

People are unthinking sheep and they're all copying each other in their insane glamorization of Creepy Musk. We're all struggling in an economic system of poverty and people are glorifying a billionaire who does nothing but breed and put precious resources into other planets? Something very sick going on here ... especially all the parroting comments that pedestal this creep.

[@Lucalikesstuff]

@@l.k.2337 the irony with your comment is that I've heard something similar many times before, so you unfortunately sound like an unthinking sheep yourself. I don't say this to insult, just to offer an outside perspective. People seem to often fall unknowingly into one of two camps: worship or revulsion. They then seem to parrot things they've heard from others without really finding out for themselves. The reality is that he just another flawed human being like the rest of us. He seems to have a pretty exceptional set of skills in particular areas as evidenced by having two very successful companies in industries where many have failed before. It's up for debate what that set of skills are, but statements from people who have worked for him seem to indicate that he knows what he's talking about when it comes to engineering, though he's apparently a hard boss to work for. Other than that, he appears to be a nerdy guy who's on the spectrum, enjoys a good meme, and should probably think a bit more before he tweets. Not sure why you would have a problem with investment into space, as it has always produced technologies that benefit humanity. And there are over 7 billion people in the world. Just because someone invests in something you don't think is important, doesn't mean other people can't invest in the things that you think are. Like yourself for example.

[@DexGattaca]

​@@Lucalikesstuff I mean he speaks in such broad and banal terms that he pretty much just utters truisms. Despite Lex's best attempts to read into it and elicit some form of insight... "If you get good enough at manufacturing your costs end up approaching the cost of raw materials"...no shit, really Elon. Mind blown. "But it's hard, it's a really hard thing to do..."

[@Lucalikesstuff]

@@DexGattaca it's easy to look at something with the benefit of hindsight or when someone distils it down for you and think "no shit", but when faced with the challenge on your own, the simple truisms aren't that obvious. There are reasons why Elon's companies have succeeded where others haven't and why they currently out-perform others in manufacturing ability/efficiency. It's in no small part (among other reasons) due to Elon's ability to break a problem down into those "truisms". I, and others, can find useful information in what is said in this interview, so maybe the deficiency is with you rather than Elon?

[@TrippSaaS]

I can't believe this is free

[@SimpHarderPlz]

Lex is such a gentle soul

[@foketesz]

Elon's mind. Everything he says has value, especially when the interviewer is HQ. Great stuff.

[@DnVFMVs]

machines knows other machines

[@rjmb4687]

im waiting for elon haters to show up on every positive comment.

[@clickbaitpolice1750]

@@rjmb4687 same

[@margaretbooth384]

I wish I could construct the atoms of my life in a perfect cost effective way

[@slucar]

"like take a rocket or whatever" LOL

[@mikebailey2970]

sounds like Tesla applied First Principles to gigacasting 8)

[@FuckYourFeelings88]

Teslabot is the real terminator

[@willyghost2213]

Fun fact: Jim Keller is the brother in law of Jordan Peterson

[@peaveycoke]

If you do, help me succeed, or don't I accept that too

[@sssyria]

you need to change the tune.. it is too damn sleepy in here

[@onthearth1]

Lex and Elon: Two AI machines trying to interact like humans!

[@thecurrentmoment]

That's hilarious!

[@angelpuppo5701]

Two robots talking to each other 😂 No hate tho, obsessed with this conversations

[@ElonMusk-tn1qn]

Thanks for you love and support

[@brucejanssen3773]

Elon Really is The Sun in My Sky🌝

[@fortjules288]

That's how Hannibal Lecter helped Clarice find Buffulo Bill.

[@roberts932]

With the assistance of Marcus Aurelius.

[@fortjules288]

@@roberts932 😆

[@papersteel7582]

I instantly read "How Elon Musk solves the money problems"

[@jesusmtz29]

I really font get why lex is so obsessed with this guy

[@peaveycoke]

help me, Musk, provide for my family.. I know you could... but if you don't... I guess i will have to come up with a patent.

[@l.k.2337]

Exactly. We're all living in a system of poverty and slavery, many dying because we can't afford homes or adequate healthcare, and Musk is a creepy breeder who is spending billions on frivolous attempts to dirty up other planets. It's insane that the sheeple are all parroting their pedestalling idealization of this creep.

[@user-jx5hi9wy2b]

I think it would be fun to be your friend. I'm your age, and I think like you - storm and all. I'm an Accountant. We are able to solve any problem. It's just a matter of intuiting and defining the unknown factor. I can keep a secret, as well.

[@bukurie6861]

E💥💚🌠lon Musk is amuzing and best leader fo younger in their proffesions❤🌐 Congratution and blessing to you❤🌠🌏

[@goldeneagle8259]

The goal should be to teach tesla bots to acquire raw materials and manufacture tesla bots. Then everything will become cheap.

[@Jimbogf]

A self-replicating AI robot. Sounds like fun, what could go wrong? lol

[@lautaroortiz2620]

in time yes

[@dscottcarter2484]

Thank you Lex

[@agussetionoasli]

A normal guy solves problem by thinking hard, a genius solves with little thinking, but a person with power solves problem without thinking at all. So.. Power is above reason.

[@nbl95]

Why does Lex look like hes always just drank a whole bottle of Nyquil

[@bonkyabeans]

I see why Elon takes digs at chess players. Our minds our built for this and we are sitting around playing a game instead. Elon wants us for his work force.

[@inspiregrow2336]

True in this thing I agree with Jack ma Humans should work 3 days a week as automation comes

[@szymonozimek]

nice

[@PlentitudeIsland]

Did Quantum Physics break Physics ???

[@R1C4RD0R3D15]

While I agree with this, there are a lot of problems that can be solved without being this perfect. He is simply solving problems that are the most complex in human history - this is what it takes to solve Elon sized problems. 99% of the other ones can be solved with decent critical thinking.

[@Rick-ll3jz]

Not complex at all, or maybe because I am a student of physics

[@R1C4RD0R3D15]

@@Rick-ll3jz You don't think building the most intricate rocket propulsion system to ever exist is "complex"? You should be building them too then, you could bring great things to humanity,

[@shyshka_]

@@R1C4RD0R3D15 when breaking it down to small pieces, the complexity decreases dramatically, and yeah, an individual engineer will never work on the WHOLE fcking rocket, I hope you do understand that? I'm sure even Elon isn't in the know of everything that's happening on a daily basis ALL THE TIME, I mean that's why you hire other engineers in the first place. The things that slows things down are the current limits of our understanding of physics, and the high number of dependancies of the whole system. Shit just takes a long time to do, it's not like they're waiting for Elon to come up with an Eureka moment one day and the whole thing is solved, all of it is just a loop of a development and testing process. And yeah, stop talking like that, referring to things as "elon sized problems". That is just so cringe

[@R1C4RD0R3D15]

@@shyshka_ You just said a lot of things that have almost nothing to do with what I said. I'm definitely not going to start referring to problems as "NextPhase" sized problems. It isn't cringe, it is completely true. The problems he solves are on a different scale than most people that walk this Earth. Get over yourself. You can't even properly address a comment on KZbin without looking like a 9 year old.

[@elvinmateo6408]

Elon and Lex, you guys rule xD

[@sureshnishtala2887]

physics is a law everything else is a recommendation.

[@mkballer4502]

lex fridman says things without saying things.

[@abacus749]

Could Musk apply his First Principles thinking to designing a product to block the signal/signals technology that causes so called 'Havana Syndrome with Frey Effect'.? Signals attacks by unknown Signals Army Units or elite Corporate groups as of now are unblockable. Re. Musk's interview, he forgets the power of advertizing and consumerism.Andy Warhol saw that.

[@ivankuljis1780]

Like l said earlier Lex, 'Can l have fries 🍟 with my Cut?'

[@davidkudo]

I see batman and robin.... or joker and batman

[@stuartwakeman4994]

I need Elon to help me xx this is my sos in the sand pal xx I have Auchterarder questions to tantalise once taste buds

[@deandoyledeandoyle]

He doesn't?

[@questioneryusef8264]

WHY STAMP AND WELD THE ATOM IF YOU CAN INJECT IT LIKE THE GIGACASTING. SIMPLE PICTURING. DONT RELY ON THE TOOL MAKE THE TOOL TO MAKE THE THING YOU WANT TO CREATE.

[@ILikeBSG]

Elon Musk is Zephram Cochran

[@treydee8442]

How is this not common sense? It’s literally how innovation happens… you think about the end and work on the means to reach the end.

[@whitewolf5762]

Wow Habibi Elon Ur very very smart

[@expresscouriercompany2575]

Guess who just got a Tesla...boom "me" my Crypto really got to the moon hahaha

[@expresscouriercompany2575]

That won't bother you if you trade with a professional like Delia Luna

[@hanma3664]

I heard her strategies are really good

[@lucasfredrick9837]

She's obviously the best I invested 2000USD with her and in 9days I made a profit of 9101USD

[@lucasfredrick9837]

@@expresscouriercompany2575 i gifted my mom a Tesla.❤ feels fulfilling

[@saanvi848]

That's crazy ..what do you do for a living?

[@ammavumchild5935]

I told you I wanted to go back to my normal life, now I am not able to control my tears .How People are so Blind. I don't like this Country where People are so Blind and forget this so fast. Still keeping that genocider alive. I want you.