How far would Dust Sans ACTUALLY get into the undertale universe?

[@LegoWhisbecauseyes]

If he actually said "It's Dustin' time" like in thumbnail, he would solo the whole fiction, let alone Undertale

[@narrativeless404]

These jokes are getting on my nerves honestly

[@errornekochara]

@@narrativeless404 Dust sayin "its racist time" solos the entire omniverse

[@narrativeless404]

@@errornekochara Error 404: "Sans AUs are trash" not found

[@LittleSans876]

Then he proceeds to Dustin’ everywhere

[@SonGoku-br-U7]

K and? What you can do about It?​@@narrativeless404

[@SophieMirtec]

“it is i… RaCiSt DuSt DuSt”

[@SophieMirtec]

or would it be “realistic dust dust”?

[@RegisteredFelon-ki8be]

“Im here to keel you…”

[@reinybongos1953]

This joke is so old bro…

[@SophieMirtec]

@@reinybongos1953 ah well, what can you do? (ik its dead, which is why there was a follow up in the comments)

[@Realjugamos]

Its my joke

[@char42068]

7:54 fun fact! In an old version of undertale, there's a glitch where the enemies in the core (along with mettaton ex) respawn after you get a call with undyne during true pacifist, if you grind long enough and use some legendary heroes, you can kill Snowy's mom. The others still can't die, but it's interesting to see how out of all of them, Snowy's mom still has a way to die.

[@tkcool-1]

Yeah you''d specifically at most would need to be lvl 2 (either through glitches or just grinding normally as by this point in the story, the game stops keeping track of your kill count, or at least in earlier versions of the game, not sure if it was ever changed or not), have either the pan or empty gun equipped, and max out your dmg with legendary heros, and then have to land a crit to oneshot snowdrakes mom

[@ryleyusa]

fun fact: endogeny can also be killed using debug mode

[@ayuballena8217]

@@ryleyusahow

[@narrativeless404]

Snowy's Mom doesn't really want to live So if ur ATK is strong enough to 1 hit 'er, she won't regenerate and turn 'dust

[@Ilikewooper]

@@ayuballena8217with debug mode obviously

[@drysoup3017]

Fun fact: The creator of Dust actually said he was somewhat adept at physical combat. He was quite vague, so I'm not sure how good he is. Do what you will with this information, I'm only using it to make the imaginary fight scenes in my head a little more entertaining.

[@KeefeRudyardDelaCruzDigital-Ar]

Judging on how well experience he is because of his previous attempts of stopping us before resulting of LV, it got to be allot.

[@CoolGuy-y9p]

He has more BIQ than Chara/frisk in melee thats strong

[@KeefeRudyardDelaCruzDigital-Ar]

@@CoolGuy-y9p And everything else, may I remind you on how well he can do in a genocide run. With the knowledge, strategy, and allot of weakness exploitation practice, he be able to do well, both close range, mid range, and long range combat.

[@CoolGuy-y9p]

@@KeefeRudyardDelaCruzDigital-Ar Yeah

[@minestar2247]

Yeah, pretty unrealistic considering sans is the most out of shape monster in the underground that we can fight(and it's only when reality is about to collaps)

[@Idkanymore_anything]

Genius idea for waterfall, don't know why no one thought of that.

[@dagestan7734]

@lemons38thats actually a really cool and creative idea

[@4isnice]

8:47 Why the fuck is Sans thrusting the air...

[@greensansitsmetrust]

wtf?

[@someoneandsomeone3251]

THAT'S THE AIR SWINGING HIS SHIRT

[@ayuballena8217]

8:54

[@chickennuggetman2593]

he is racist dust dust

[@sillypinkmoth]

story of undertale

[@youraveragefunnyalbanian_1989]

5:03 sans gotta be FAST to actually overrun undyne..

[@MRTARTIFLETTE216]

He can simply teleport

[@febajoe2773]

I mean he can easily teleport out of there

[@TheAmongUsGuy]

@@MRTARTIFLETTE216 like in the final attack in the genocide rute

[@youraveragefunnyalbanian_1989]

@@MRTARTIFLETTE216 oh right, i forgot

[@Hypercube2017]

Teleport could also let him catch Flowey and Undyne off guard. He may also be able to use it to get Mettaton out of the way, at least temporarily.

[@KeefeRudyardDelaCruzDigital-Ar]

I agree with what you said, with a few things that I like to address. For one, Sans versus MTT, with his Damage negation and some BS strategy, he be able to just either destroy him or just forced him to transform into his other forms for a easier kills. Asgore was killed off guard just like Toriel, and even then, with Sans was able to use his KR due to Asgore's huge guilt because of him killing kids for his people. Murder's chance of frustrate the Human is quite high, with him being able to just kill them over and over again, now no longer restraint by the fact that his memories was erase per reset or reload.

[@KeefeRudyardDelaCruzDigital-Ar]

Sorry, wrong comment

[@MOONLORD555]

Asgore seems tanky, I mean he survived 999999999 damage. But that could be assumption considering he could had faded if flowey hadn't intervene. I think the karma effect wouldn't work as well for sans since he murdered more people then Asgore

[@KeefeRudyardDelaCruzDigital-Ar]

​@@MOONLORD555 In the original Dusttale, Sans do in fact have KR, just that it is a bit weaker than it use to be. If anything, it's the intentions, not the actions, which is why Sans hasn't lost his KR. Plus, Damage negation would make any tanky characters look like glass canons by comparison. While I agree that it may take a while due to the fact that Asgore's HP is quite high, despite his depression, it is not hard to believe that Sans would just keep on dodging and teleporting until Asgore can't keep going.

[@gremlin2239]

Considering Chara has a noteworthy presence here, and Flowey *doesn't* die... It might end up going from a neg diff to two children bullying the old guy out of their twisted little game after he tried to join.

[@aureliamastergoomba1278]

Flowey: Wow that was easy. Player: Yeah, I’ll let you two catch up. Chara: Thanks, say why don’t you and the player ever team up like this normally, bro? Flowey: Something tells me they’re gonna try killing me if I step out of line.

[@suwa77]

Dust!Sans: No papyrus goN dIe, HumaN!!! DiE! dIE!!! .... NOOO!!! AmBatu... SDust!!!😡😡😡😡 Murder!Sans: I killed everyone including the human. Ironically trapping myself in a near-empty universe internally, since I had no life outside of fighting this one human that's now dead. How could I be so stupid? In conclusion, I hate myself. Death is too good for a guy like me, so I'll just rot here forever instead. Edit: (I made my own argument here, but to be honest, I think you guys are losing the point of what made AUs fun by trying to make sense of them. Like, it kinda kills the fun. Do you think the creator of Underswap thought about canon bs when he drew Swap Sans, or any other major AUs for that matter? Aren't you guys just taking the FanFiction-washed version of Sans a bit too seriously?) Sans deals 1 whole damage. Assuming that KR damage comes from you killing enough monsters. Sans is not at an advantage. This isn't to say that Sans can't kill. There are items scattered across the entire underground which Sans definitely has access to. Since Dusttale haters care much more about game mechanics than a clever narrative, it's also worth noting that you can get away with killing Froggits (and other monsters) in front of Toriel. Sans can passively dodge, meaning he has to stall until he kills and gets strong enough to take out Flowey (This is important later). He can wait for you to fight Toriel, and steal your kill. Sans can then just stalk you for kills from this point on. There isn't much you can do about this, since Flowey's dead and there isn't anyone in the underground sly enough to stab him in the back, and you as the player don't have much mobility to stop Sans from following you. (He took advantage of this in the original game by learning your moves both pacifist/genocide route.) (Note that Flowey stole your kill by hitting Asgore in the last second.) He'd be able to kill most, if not all monsters in the underground using this method. If Sans is clever enough to not absorb the human souls, he can successfully make the game impossible to beat. (Souls would hinder him in the long run, since the souls would reject him for sure.) (This part is bit questionable as we don't actually know how strong he'd be by this point.) Sans won't feel guilty. He knows one reset is all it'll take for all his actions to reverse itself. He says in his boss fight, that he is aware of your power. In a hypothetical situation where "our reports" show him more than just "timelines jumping left and right," he'd definitely consider his own genocide route. Think of it like this, Sans will receive reports on each route of what happened in other previous timelines. He couldn't care less about his brother, knowing he'd be part of the next timeline, which is the reason why he didn't run to save him in the genocide route. However, things could play out differently depending on who this "our" is. Aside from this one variable, and a minor plot tweaking, we can get Sans to absolutely kill everyone he "loves".

[@roast_beef]

Based murder as always

[@DDDDDAAAAANNNNNIIIIEEELLLLLLLL]

Murder!Sans:”A god of war… a god of pain, of suffering, of destruction. The Norns said I chase a redemption that I know I can never deserve. What does that make me? God of fools?”

[@LegoWhisbecauseyes]

A god of war? KRATOS REFERENCE FR FR ONG 100%

[@MarksmanRevolver]

Murder!Sans is the canon sans in dusttale, yes?

[@narrativeless404]

Except Murder!Sans has no realistic chance to defeat the human Regardless of how "deep", "emotional" or "meaningful" this scenario is It's just impossible

[@christianottley8542]

honestly a more believable win con for dust sans would be he kills all the monsters and becomes so strong that hes able to essentially Softlock the player with the fights sheer difficulty, in hopes that the player resets out of frustration

[@micy_yt3449]

I mean technically Sans could just use his unfair attack to kill the Human over and over again, actually Sans doesn't even need any LV for that, lol. The Dunked On ending (You know the moment when you try to spare him but instead he just kills you) in Undertale proves that there is nothing stopping Sans from using unfair attacks. Which means all of this mess that Sans caused in DustTale is not needed at all. Dust!Sans is just too stupid to realise that.

[@historyfan104]

@@micy_yt3449im guessing sans cant always use unfair attacks and rather to do that the player would have to let their guard down and lose the determination motivating them to beat sans (yknow, cause you spare him)

[@krimptheshrimp]

@@micy_yt3449 well, the thing about that attack is that it's a mercy kill. He's presumably only able to do that because you completely let your gaurd down, much like you did with Toriel and Papyrus.

[@ManImSad]

@@micy_yt3449 I assume it's some kind of requirement placed on him. If this world is canonically a game then its entirely plausible that for the game not to become unfair that there's some kind of limitation. Sans from Undertale does not endlessly one shot you even though he absolutely could and would. It's gotta be something where you have to try to spare him

[@micy_yt3449]

Ok I change my mind but still now that Dust!Sans has all of this LV he is probably able to use his unfair attacks and even if it is because the game does not allow him he probably is determinated enough to break the rules of this game.

[@Military_base01]

"Dust them all..."

[@youyououmf8200]

6:34 listen. I think KR doesn't depends of how mich the victim killed. I just think it's a power sans has, and he name it KaRma to make remember that it's your fault in the genocide route. A simple joke

[@saggedf]

Bro if mettaton goes into neo mode he has 30k hp no way is sans ever going to beat that so idc what you say but with sans strength the human will get the kill first

[@dynamitoriel9056]

​@@saggedf9:09

[@fictey]

@@saggedf sir, are you ok? sans not only has more atk in th-is version but in the game files, mettaton NEO has -40,000 def. even sans can one shot that.

[@PENGUINjsjwjentt7irr7o5ud5]

​@@ficteyhe actually has 9. Toby just put -40.000 to make sure he is gonna get killed.

[@MRTARTIFLETTE216]

5:39 except if he has a good knowledge in pop culture

[@inciniumz4671]

Honestly, I think sans karma would kinda fade over time as he kills. Since he himself is commiting evil just as you are. While you may have amassed more than enough evil to not be negated, Asgore wouldn't've. Dust-sans has done worse than him by now, thus I'd assume that karma would hold no effect on him

[@Military_base01]

Its very debatable how karma works so I just made it so it still works on people with high Love

[@perrykv7312]

I personally think it'd be like karma starts affecting him too rather than just dissapearing, since karma exists disregarding whether it's towards good or bad actions

[@inciniumz4671]

@@perrykv7312 True, but it wouldn't be as much of something on sans's side since he's now on the wrong side of it

[@inciniumz4671]

@@Military_base01 Makes sense

[@perrykv7312]

@@inciniumz4671 ye, that's why I thought of it being a double edged sword tbh

[@Fatumity]

depends though, if the human is the average player they'd ragequit if we had an ACTUALLY serious Dust Sans who dodges + ALL HP and DMG, but if he is like Evans yeah mid cooked, but if he is very strong, the only way he'd lose is if the player ACTUALLY doesn't mind dying 200+ times lol

[@maritoxico9982]

Virgin Level 20 racist dust dust vs Chad Merg

[@frankwill7137]

also the player could just cheat in like 99999999999 health or something if they REALLY want to make sans's efforts useless

[@fictey]

merg: hold my beer.

[@JustStrikez69]

Murder sans being a serious dust sans that dodges and uses all of his advantages against the human being ignored despite being canon dust sans:

[@JustStrikez69]

​@@frankwill7137 and that would mean that the player is a coward

[@No.1RatedSalesman]

2:18 Floeey does say not to let sans find out about your poeers, which would imply that even outside of flowey starting a battle or trying to fight him, sans fonding out about him would not end well This is also supported by flowey saying sans caused whole resets, rather than just deaths Tldr;sans likely could kill floeey if he got the drop on them

[@alexgreer6336]

I have a few notes myself 1. I think if karma works on him, Asgore would probably off worse than you think, I want to remind you that Asgore was in the war between humans and monsters as a part of the frontlines, and I doubt he wouldn't have killed at least a few humans 2. Sans (and Papyrus too) probably have defense negation (give yourself as high of stats as you want, Sans still does 1 dmg and Papyrus does 3) so maybe Sans can clear MTT box with that in mind 3. It is kinda hard to to tell if Sans's magic attacks would be able to kill the amalgamates because the attacks go for the soul and while we have not seen them being able to take soul dmg, we also have not seen them be able to not take soul dmg either Now with all that said I would like to ask you to look into the Dell fight in the original Overtime fangame, and before you can formulate an opinion, I would like to tell you that I have actually talked to the creator of the game in the comments section of another video and he said that the Dell fight was made absolutely brutal by the standards of the time it was created because he wanted it to be like the original idea for the Sans fight, a punishment

[@sptflcrw8583]

Jfc play the game...

[@alexgreer6336]

@@sptflcrw8583 I know how the game goes

[@sptflcrw8583]

@@alexgreer6336 No monster killed any humans during the war. This is explicitly stated in the Waterfall murals.

[@alexgreer6336]

@@sptflcrw8583 Oh, did not remember that

[@paradoxicaloutcome1007]

@@sptflcrw8583 Common misconception. It says that "not a single human soul was taken". The murals then go on to describe how a monster with a human soul would have unfathomable power. I think the implication here is that some humans did die, but the others prevented any monster from taking the souls of their fallen precisely because of the danger that meant.

[@IamSans_]

Honestly a fact people miss is that Dusttale isn’t possible to begin with because after each genocide route the timeline gets erased even if we pick do not so each time we do it over and over it isn’t the same sans but a different one we go through the same things through with, making his capability of remembering everything impossible as it isn’t the same sans and the option to erase is different to that of a reset. Thus sans or in this case YOU (since you’re the only one who stays the same) can’t escape the long and boring loop that is the genocide route.

[@insertenombregenerico749]

The truth is, the only way I see Dusttale possible is for it to be a mod that the player added to see something new, because naturally... You said it, it's impossible

[@IamSans_]

@@insertenombregenerico749 exactly, true dusttale is changing the player model to a sans sprite and hacking the game to rename yourself sans since you cant do it naturally i believe. That’s as close as we’re gonna get lol

[@CCaster2000]

Yeah, that's something that many people in the fandom never realized. They just had it to where Sans remembered everything no matter what.

[@empeanutson]

But isn't the point of this kind of AU that it's just caused by an unexplained anomaly? Of course Dusttale would never be possible if you stick the normal way Undertale's world works. But some AU makers are simply like "this was caused by a glitch in the Undertale universe or something. I don't know. I just wanted the plot to happen."

[@IamSans_]

@@empeanutson Unsure if that’s the actual explanation as the way it goes about in the game is just like “suddent in the 1028101029 genocide route sand undertable undid the lobotomy and lost his original character personality and reasoning because insanity!!!!” and even if it was the explanation it’s an overdone thing, like the amount of aus out there that are like ALL OF THIS HAPPENED BECAUSE YOU DOWNLOADED A VIRUS ON NAUGHTY WEBSITE is just too many to count, I’m over exaggerating but you get the point. At least horrortale tried a different approach that seemed original enough at the time and plausible

[@SansINess53]

Here is my dusttale scenario : Sans picks up a kitchen knife. He puts it in his pocket. Goes into the ruins. And starts to lure some a small amount of whimsuns and kills them all. Gaining up to LV 3. When flowey notices the dissappearances he decides to go away from the ruins. Sans kills enough monsters and gains up to LV 5. He meets up with toriel, he asks for toriel for support. She complies. And they both hug. Sans pulls out the knife and stabs her heart and kills her.. Sans leaves the Ruins with LV 6. In snowdin. Sans will begin to do the same strategy expect more cautious. He'll begin killing the residents one by one. Sans gains up to LV 10. Sans enters waterfall. Kills the weak monsters. And comes back to papyrus. Sans has LV 14. Now papyrus isn't gonna be happy about this and so conflicted. So in the end. Sans kills him, resulting in sans gaining LV 16. He goes back into waterfall. Kills more monsters, till he reaches LV 17. He fights undyne. By first attacking her off-guard. She didn't lose a lot of HP but she lost 30% of her HP. Resulting in a massive disadvantage for undyne. Sans isn't the type to go cock shit like some anime characters so he'll try to kill the person as fast as possible, so undyne the undying isn't possible. Sans goes into hotlands. Kills enough monsters to reach LV 19. Eventually he reaches mettaton, and in the end sans throws his bone on mettaton's components resulting in mettaton dying. Alphys awaits sans in the lab. But in the end. Sans flatout, ignored coming to kill her. He reaches to new-home. Flowey and sans see each other, flowey tries to plant (run) away from sans. But in the end sans caught him and killed him like a MONSTER. He reaches to asgore though, asgore asks why sans did this. As sans just immediately traps asgore in blue bones and kills asgore brutally. (asgore is a depressed man, don't expect him to be strong. He legit is weak when depressed so the depressed skeleton beats him at depression) Sans tries to relive every moment of his life before the genocides... Sans Eventually grew fond of the save points, now he tries to memorize every save point in his life. At the ruins at snowdin at waterfall at hotlands at the capital. In the end. He remembers. Where they are. And the human can't save anymore. Meaning they can't return back to life. Sans now awaits in the judgement hall. With LV 20. (this situation is actually possible if every dusttale au wasn't stupid and didn't make sans forget knives exist). ¹ Ł Ə F Ţ

[@NOTaNaBC]

Very accurate analysis. The only thing I don't agree with is karma. There is no evidence that it only works against bad people, there is not even evidence that it exists in the lore at all. This also applies to hp: in a game without cheats it is impossible to find out the amount of hp of monsters. You can’t consider everything that is in the game files canon: MTT NEO, Papyrus and Toriel have negative defense on genocide, but this clearly has nothing to do with the lore. What I'm saying is that we don't know how many hits Sans can take.

[@busybody42luigifanxxx20]

I'd say... around the same HP as papyrus?

[@accomplishedshipyard]

While there isn't evidence that Karma only works against bad people, it IS directly named in game. The flavor text during Sans' battle changes depending on how much KR you have, and two of the flavor texts directly name karma. "KARMA coursing through your veins." (For 20-30 KR), and "Doomed to death of KARMA!" (For 30-40 KR). The "it only works against bad people" theories, while unconfirmed, were developed from the karma name. You can absolutely find out the HP of the vast majority of monsters without cheating. When you attack a monster, a damage number appears. By carefully attacking a monster until it dies, and adding up the damage, you can find the monster's HP, which (obviously) lines up with the HP in the code. You have to be careful, because damage numbers in Undertale do not cap to account for HP, so you can deal damage that would send a monster's HP into the negatives. But by dealing 1 damage at a time, you can accurately determine their HP, no cheats, and it will show the same HP as the code. However, there are limitations to that. Notably, scripted one shot kills, which is pretty much all of Genocide. Since you can't carefully attack, and the damage dealt is obviously way more than the monsters' max HP, you can't determine HP there, so Sans' HP cannot be determined in this regard. However, it is worth noting that every other monster has their HP bar appear when one shot, including Mettaton NEO right before Sans, and Asgore right after Sans. Sans, however, does not show an HP bar when hit, despite damage numbers appearing. (I point this out because when you attack Flowey at the end of Genocide, there is no HP bar, but no damage numbers appear either. Sans is the only one who has both damage numbers and no HP bar.) If the HP bar was hidden for dramatic effect, I would think it would've also at least been hidden for Asgore. This could imply that Sans' HP bar is too small to see, aka, he has 1 HP.

[@metal42]

It should also be noted that Flowey warns Pacifist Frisk to not engage Sans, and Sans himself was confident he could kill Pacifist Frisk (that's not to say Pacifist Frisk would lose to Sans, just that a person being a pacifist wouldn't make Sans suddenly lose)

[@yeahnvmnvm1331]

​@rogayboss69420i'm sorry but what's that logic? How does it mean asgore is a shit ton stronger?

[@jhordanpozo5046]

Since he is the weakest monster he has less hp than winsum(i don't remember his name)

[@TheAmongUsGuy]

The most impossible killer ever for sans Flowey Guys he kills flowey in less that 5 seconds, impossible, and sans should spawned in the ruins to make the genocide first

[@gamezonez9233]

He have shortcuts (like tp or something) so most probably Snas just used surprised attack + Snas reaction or speed is actually FTL! (faster than light) cuz he faster than Napstablook and Napstablook is faster than light. Sorry and thx for comment

[@TheAmongUsGuy]

@@gamezonez9233 sans has never reached to the ruins (in canon) so he Will never know where flowey Is petty strange to Say That he is gaster than light

[@THEGREAT_PAPYRUS]

​@@TheAmongUsGuyand also sans doesn't know flowey actually exists

[@gamezonez9233]

@@TheAmongUsGuy sorry, i forgor💀, but i believe that he is Gaster than light, cuz Napstablok in cannon(in actual game) on pacificit said that he once met light and called it to home. Thx for reply

[@Reminesu]

@@gamezonez9233 He just saw the light that doesn’t make you lightspeed 😭😭😭

[@nonyplayz1]

Knowing the ACTUAL sans.... He'd just block off the bridge at the start of snowdin, no dust, just no more bridge.

[@cultofmel]

I'd just like to point out that I don't see any reason why Sans wouldn't be able to use items he finds as well. Since we've already established the human is behind him, we can safely assume any item he can reach is free for grabs. This includes healing items.

[@Flipclip120]

The player: haha I got u low Sans ur done for Sans: yo gimme a sec I need to eat this butterscotch pie.

[@bibekp16]

@@Flipclip120 *He would probably have multiple pies cause we only get one slice from Toriel and well... Sans kills her in this AU so imagine him full healing like 7 times. Also if Sans took the heart locket he would take 1 Dmg every hit. Which means we would have to hit him 89 times (Since he would have 89 HP at LV 20) .And than do it 7 times over.

[@Flipclip120]

@@bibekp16 Jesus Christ that is just sad. That’s genuine just hell

[@xooox_1777]

​@@bibekp16And imagine facing the human. Having the locket and real knife equipped. Sans have two methods of attack (Magic or Slash). Having 89 HP. Immense amount of healing items (probably more than what the player would normally have in a normal genocide run.) capable of one-hitting the human with the real knife. And even without KR the nature of Sans attacks would make sure to one-hit the Human. And with the locket which makes it so even if the Human does land an attack it would be reduced to 1. So Sans could wait until his HP is 1 and then heal up. All that and would still lose against a human with a stick. And a smile plastered on their face. Essentially the Sans fight but the roles are reversed.

[@sleyking123]

So basically sans can use the real knife to attack you whenever you get too close making it difficult to land a hit on him, and even if you did he would probably just heal up with a bunch of monster candies.

[@Dustymanz]

Well in canon dusttale,murder never uses the same move's twice,he always mixs up his moves every time the human comes back,also everytime we LV up are at gos up by times 2,and so on from every LV. so murder sans can even one shot us by LV 6 or 7,no think how much harm he could do at LV 19/20 also in canon there's only two endings for it,endless trying,or the abandond ending,where the chara just finally gives up and leaves murder to rot alone....FOREVER,and also theres no canon comic of murder,just a novel.

[@cultofmel]

it doesn't matter if he can one shot somebody if he has no way of killing them in a way that matters

[@Dustymanz]

@@cultofmel well i forgot to say he some how kills all monsters in one hit in canon too-..oop.

[@fictey]

@@Dustymanz in canon, the way they are killed is left up to interpretation. (Bc canon murder originated from the tumbler page "ask dusttale")

[@Dustymanz]

@@fictey yeah

[@SansINess53]

Tbh, I wish there was a dusttale fangame where you play as sans and it isn't roblox btw I have a conpect, you play undertale the same exact way but as sans you can do a complete route or a almost complete genocide route Sans abilities : bone, blaster (all 2 deal 1-10 damage) Options : Magic , Act , item, mercy, teleport (a escape card)

[@satiosnewaccount4606]

I'd personally think if there was a "Canon" way of having dust sans murdering everyone while also not making him out of character... I guess Undertale: Collapsed Would work.

[@cultofmel]

I don't see any way Sans would do this unless it somehow involved Flowey. Because let's be honest, Flowey would try a genocide to stop us before Sans ever would.

[@nellie8653]

btw Undertale collapsed is not a dusttale take people think that because the demo ruins are very like dusttale but collapsed is its own au and even has its own original characters.

[@jeroherrera880]

to be honest, when i see this video i can only think of murder sans (canon dust), who is just a lot better in general, better actual motives like having tried everything else (or aparently in the novel he just doesn´t have enough time to do anything else except kill and get to like level 3 before fighting the human in snowdin and winning just cause of catching them of guard with actually surviving an attack), can actually fight hand to hand, and instead of somehow stealing attacks, he´s just more creative with the things he already has, changing them up with each death, i honestly want to see a video of what do you think of him, either way, nice video, i like your channel and your opininions

[@youyououmf8200]

5:04 realistic. Sans is a bit of a coward sometimes

[@gerwaltspodnovigradu5508]

You call that cowardness, educated people call it strategy

[@KC_Garcia]

​@@gerwaltspodnovigradu5508"There's no shame in a tactical retreat!"

[@youyououmf8200]

@@gerwaltspodnovigradu5508 ye, we can say that too

[@sptflcrw8583]

How?

[@fictey]

@@gerwaltspodnovigradu5508 im sure using unfair attacks, attacking the player in the menu, running and teleporting like a bich is not being cowardly despite him only being able to beat u cuz of the amount of times he cheap shots u.

[@dumbvillage9253]

Imo Sans wouldn't even clear ruins if he starts from them. I don't think he'd be able to kill anyone except jerry and get away with it. Him baiting Undyne would probably not work either(especially if he doesn't start from ruins). The human is much more worthwhile to chase because it's the only soul left that's needed. Sans is just some dude and Undyne could easily warn other residents of his actions.

[@sptflcrw8583]

Wtf are you talking about? He steamrolls the whole cast.

[@busybody42luigifanxxx20]

@@sptflcrw8583 Only because he CHEATS in his fight.

[@sptflcrw8583]

@@busybody42luigifanxxx20 so? He's the only one who can.

[@KeefeRudyardDelaCruzDigital-Ar]

For one, Murder basically know everyone on a deeper level than his canon counterpart thanks for the previous attempts to stop the Human. He also had use some weapon to make it easier for him to kill, along having the will and the DETERMINATION to stop the loop. With the knowledge he gain, he can basically kill people with ease because he know all of their weaknesses. Also, with his DT to remember, he had the willpower to attack them with ease. He is also calculated, with him killing within the shadows, and making sure that no one know it until it was too late. People often forgot that OG Sans is actually smart, and that he basically calculated any given situation and can guess the amount of reload by looking at the Human. Murder use this knowledge and past experience to insure that no one can actually manage to fight back until he had enough LV to do more. Plus, the Betrayal kills would also be a huge factor here, as it does deal more damage than what his Base said.

[@Koiishi_Komeiji]

How to get exp: Best way (real) 1 Shortcut to hotland 2 Take a random pan without owner 3 Shortcut to snowdin 4 Kill some jerry 5 Entire monsterkind praises you for step 6 Shortcut to ruins 7 Kill some monsters 8 Kill toriel and NOT DROP YOUR WEAPON 9 Keep killing everyone and stealing every armor and weapon you can find 10 Fight again a human 11 Lose cuz plot armor Not stonks

[@scythe4life77]

I have NO idea of how sans is going to lose to the human. First off - in his original fight , he nearly won but the player used loopholes against his unfair tactic. Sans can now just use unfair attacks as much he wants until the player quits. If I’m sure of it , sans could completely surpass the humans Determination and take their soul - allowing him to reset

[@micy_yt3449]

Well in Canon Undertale we are told that if monsters have too much Determination they will melt, so yeah I don't think that will work. + because of that even if the human is finally killed Sans still cant bring back his friends so he will be here alone, depressed. So yeah anyway, I do in fact like DustTale but it kinda does not make much sense to me.

[@gaztalesans2751]

You can just cheat out of the game bud, hack yourself some 9 billion HP and his efforts will be useless

[@JustStrikez69]

​@@gaztalesans2751he will just humble you for being such a coward then

[@gaztalesans2751]

@@JustStrikez69 How tho? You can just yk... Not die with cheats

[@JustStrikez69]

@@gaztalesans2751 it will mean that you have a huge skill issue

[@catking4031]

Tbh if sans actully was remember resets, and he actully care about his friends, he probaly can become insane of the endless genocides and unable to do anything

[@CCaster2000]

Someone on Twitter made a short comic about Sans remembering past resets, and instead of killing everyone, he just creates a wall of bones at the small bridge outside of the Ruins door do the human can't pass.

[@c_x_3]

2:02 I know this is a weird thing to focus on because it is in no way the point of the video and is just an odd quirk of the game the footage is from but why did Flowey leave dust behind after dying? Maybe he dusts if you kill him after Omega and I just don’t know because I’ve never done it or seen anyone do it, but he doesn’t dust in Genocide and I don’t think it would really make sense for him to since like, he isn’t a monster, he’s a literal flower. One that gained sentience from determination, yes, but still anatomically he is just a flower.

[@JustStrikez69]

Another reason why canon dusttale needs more attention instead of evan dusttale

[@Nator-tb1vd]

Yeah, Flowey never dusts in any route where he dies, either his face vanishes and he becomes a damaged flower or gets chopped up into nothing

[@JustStrikez69]

@@Nator-tb1vd Which is why the dusttale fangame is an overrated piece of content which isn't even canon to the actual murder sans by ask dusttale

[@ethan7376]

It was probably to show that flowey was killed, it was a horrible way to do so. But that’s the only reason I could think of tbh

[@fictey]

I believe sans karma can apply to anyone. Even though that karma is meant to be a representation of your sins, It was never out right stated kr does not work on people who HAVEN'T commited heinous war crimes. I just think its an ability that sans naturally has. afterall, his magic is literally meant to confuse you with how complicated and literally gamebreaking it is.

[@douglaskenedy7030]

5:38 Stops time ( cannon sans has this , and so does cannon murder ) , change his form , kills him 6:37 By far the hardest fight before chara , karma would work as it even works against sans himself , sans would need to play smart IF asgore decides not to hold back 7:22 Teleports near alphys ( cannon murder isn't d7mb and he actually sneak attacks quite a lot ) 8:15 I actually agree on this , frisk negs diff sans ( logically if sans didn't have determination ) [ cannonically the fight went more like IMPOSSIBLE for both of them as when chara died and revived sans would feel the timeline hoping and change his strategy , so ist more like an either YOU or HIM give up )

[@gameingtothemax6266]

6:00 1 mettaton box's main strength is it's defense, which sans doesn't care about at all due to bypassing I-frames, and 2 sans can just get behind mettaton and flip the switch like how frisk does in pacifist/neutral to *force* mettaton into EX.

[@OnlySayori]

tbh he doesnt even need to get BEHIND the box form to flip the switch, a simple bone would do which would make it really easy

[@Happilyexist]

Sana could just get his pet rock to trip metaton and flip the switch so your right

[@NamelessDragon21]

This truly is “the strongest monster in history vs the strongest human today” moment.

[@T_Jester]

if Sans were to confront Asgore, i believe it is a possibility that he does not fight back. Either that, or he won't fight unless Sans attacks him first.

[@99773-HGG]

Wel duh I'm pretty sure most people won't fight unless attacked first.

[@T_Jester]

You know monsters only fight you because they choose to fight you, right? Asgore probably won't fight Sans unless forced, is what i mean.

[@99773-HGG]

@@T_Jester well then why didn't you put that down?

[@brandonmarullo9432]

Tbh no matter how far dust gets, Flowey would just YOINK the souls to no diff him or just literally wait till Sans starts getting tired/exhausted in any of the major fights (Undyne, Mettaton, Asgore, or Frisk) and just bullet circle him to his demise. Hell he could do this as early as Papyrus because Sans will definitely be distracted for a moment by his brother’s pleas. Honestly I think a lot of people forget that the biggest challenge for any monster that tries to do an “dusttale” is that you have Flowey to worry about constantly putting a stop to you. He’s killed everyone so many times, he’s done every possible combination, he can enter places that’s outside of our awareness (since he’s a flower, there are definitely different moments/locations/possible fights he’s had than Frisk ever did as a human), and he’s done everything with whatever character to read them like a book. Sans trying to intervene and ruin him and Chara’s “game” would be a big no no to Flowey, and he could actively just make it harder for sans to progress & make it easier for Frisk to. (Would grab some weapons/armor before Sans could, would be able to massacre certain rooms before Sans could, could have actually called Papyrus to make him leave Snowdin for almost any reason as they’re really close before Sans gets there). Honestly the most interesting dusttale would be a full on competition between a human, a flower, and a skeleton of who gets to the end first. One is the unstoppable player, the second is a complete 100% veteran who’s achieved everything, and the third is both a smart strategist & cheater that hax his way up the rankings.

[@FushiguroToji.1]

Or another scenario, He knows about all the resets so after the first reset, he'll choose more ways and possibly win.

[@Knyiscool]

I think its a good way to put it

[@cw732]

Haven't watched thisyet but I read the thumbnail as "It's Bustin' time!" and proceeded to fall to the ground, tears in my eyes, dying of laughter

[@youyououmf8200]

Sans kills everyone that don't expect himbto kill them. Betrayal kills

[@MrKaiju797]

I feel like flowey would catch on to sans’ plan and absorb as many souls as possible in order to gain enough power to beat the berserk skeleton. And when Asgore goes down, flowey will yoink the human souls and either become omega or god of hyperdeath. Both of which no diff the skeleton.

[@dbfighter5377]

I do think we forgot one thing to consider in the ordinary genocide run, most of the monsters escape I can’t say for sure if he knew where to but he would at least do the genocide faster maybe getting a small bit more exp that’s just what I think

[@artisanmain]

I think if undertale had the same start dusttale had you’d more likely instead end up with promised sans, I think dusttale sans only works if you’ve killed him hundreds of times before and he feels SUPER desperate or promised happens, you breeze through it, and he magically remembers again and still feels desperate.

[@mrc.tr.2878]

I mean No ones actually stopping from a fangame to end fight with human losing Just like how it happened in that one last breath game where gaster kills you at the end If dust can remember all that reset shit i think he can eventually find ways to exploit battle system but ofc it would take him like a thousand resets prob Considering it took him 327 resets to fully get affected by resets

[@JustStrikez69]

Yeah, we actually need a canon murder sans fangame where he wins

[@minestar2247]

7:13 if the player dies, wouldn't flowey just be able to backstab sans and then become king of the game again?

[@minestar2247]

So alphys does what she does in the fangame

[@SniperMonkey146]

Why couldn’t it just be canon murder sans facts ;-; we already know his canon final stats and how he canonically would act- (Ask-Dusttale’s version)

[@LOL-bs1hg]

Flowey would fit the general idea of Dusttale perfectly, but no, he gets ignored for more snans undertale aus

[@redbool1115]

Literally why doesn’t sans just go to alphys or asgore and warn them about the human. No trauma needed. Get someone to absorb the souls and gg for frisk

[@4isnice]

His dumbass could also spawnkill the human at the start but PLOT.

[@dylanzlol7293]

Or sans can delay the human by doing stuff like trapping them with bones, destroying each snowdin bridge, evacuate monsters easily with his teleportation powers, locking alphys's lab doors (the lab's doors are locked when you deliver undyne's letter in pacifist), or better yet, use one of the hotland forcefields to block frisk's pathway to hotland, when frisk finds the roadblock, break that one big waterfall bridge and then attack frisk repeatly from far away (like undyne does throughout waterfall) until they die and he gets their soul. anything would work better than sans killing everybody

[@notnintendo]

do you remember what happened to omega flowey?

[@redbool1115]

@@notnintendo I don’t see genocide frisk calling for help let alone actually receiving any considering how you’re a threat to the entire world

[@dylanzlol7293]

@@notnintendo Thats only after frisk called out for help, and mostly because flowey had bad intentions, if the souls knew that there is a genocide going on by the human, they would quickly side with whoever absorbed them

[@RaptorMo]

Your actually a good content creator

[@dylanzlol7293]

Couldnt dust sans come out of the ruins with lv 7 if we consider he can try to kill 22 picked-on looxes on a best case scenario

[@Military_base01]

Sans just bug abuses and breaks the game ez

[@drysoup3017]

​@@Military_base01That would actually be kinda in line for his character.

[@jseries101]

@@drysoup3017 and considering hes the only one (besides flowey) who knows how LV and EXP works it could be in his character to know that fact though the question would remain would he beware of the enemy in that cave? for the most xp possible

[@bloxxer717]

@@Military_base01sans eats the human and erases them from earth gg

[@Cheatm2137]

One thing i wanted to mention, this is by game logic. Looking at in-game scenarios etc. If we looked at is as a story, Sans much more likely could pull it off, if he just went catching off guard more. As to the human, in-game rules obviously the human wins. But, as a story? Much more debatable about the human. (if we looked at it as a story, keeping in mind everything in this video and not just repeating Dusttale)

[@themomer5672]

it is sad on how the original dusttale started out as this, dusttale was if not, one of my favorite aus, so it sucks that it started this way,, tho i do know that theres better games coming up, so im still happy about it!

[@JustStrikez69]

I have good news: Actual Canon Original Dusttale was never a game in the first place, the first piece of content about it are the ask blog and semi-official novels! Also i don't get why people talk about the fangame so much man, murder sans is far better

[@themomer5672]

@@JustStrikez69 whew, thats good to know.

[@JustStrikez69]

@@themomer5672 yeah im also planning to make a video on it roasting 90% of the ut fandom and bombarding them with canon facts

[@themomer5672]

@@JustStrikez69 well, thats nice to know.

[@JustStrikez69]

@@themomer5672 the video is out btw

[@CozmicStarz329]

i like how he gave sans the best possible scenario because he knew sans would be completely neg diffed otherwise

[@yumyum8414]

My favorite part was when Dusttale Sans said “It’s dusting time” and dusted all over the place.

[@redbool1115]

If it was made now then no one would care

[@france_losted_togermany]

People often forget frisk can just reset every time sans kills someone and soft lock him

[@YourONLYBestFriendInTheWorld]

8:54 canon.

[@JustStrikez69]

Canon? What are you smoking rn? Murder sans won against the human. Now this comment is cleaned up

[@Siond]

5:39 no he is not cooked, sans’ a attacks ignor defence…

[@lazy_guy_2525]

3:57 its called dustbelief

[@lolmanmagee2785]

honestly, level 20 sans vs level 1 human would basically be impossible for the human to win. imagine sans fight, but each of his attacks deal 40 damage instead of 1. (this is a one shot kill, because the human only has 20 HP, 2 shot maybe with alot of armor) so it needs to be no hit. but additionally, sans would take like no damage from the human with each attack while still being able to dodge. so now imagine that no hit sans fight, but instead of winning after 13 attacks. you just deal 1/20th of his HP and then he recovers and dodges another 13 attacks. it would be a forced no hit sans, that is twenty times longer and presumably he has more energy so he does not need to pace himself and can go all out for much longer. this would be fan game level difficult, and thats not even taking into account he probably got some more DT by doing this, so he would probably be able to adapt himself each reset and make it literally impossible for the human to win as unlike normal he isnt unchanging. ...so this boils down to it being a no hit, 20x longer sans fight that also must be beaten first try because he can adapt just like frisk can. frisk is cooked imo.

[@iamgamus]

If paps did hurt sans, then the video would turno into dustbelief

[@tincatt]

lmao

[@RealBradyTGN]

another, albeit minor thing to consider that makes waterfall near guaranteed: it might not be mad dummy that fights him, as in the regular geno route, he turns into glad dummy and then dies quickly afterwards, just something i thought of, but great video regardless! a based undertale theory discord server would be epic as well

[@Green_bald_flowey]

Like i sayed before flowey would be better for dusttale

[@Military_base01]

An au in which flowey is tired of random routes and constant resets and decides to kill people to toy with you would actually be great

[@GoodOlJenkinsYT]

Looks like I've got an idea Edit: actually never mind LMAO someone already did that (Dusttale: Reimagined)

[@Kirukilmao]

Hell yeahhhhhhhh

[@perrykv7312]

Wouldn't that technically be Flowey Possession?

[@redbool1115]

Flowey would have to be nerfed since for some reason he’s god tier against you since you can’t dodge

[@iexistxd9466]

I agree with everything, i can't even think on how ABSURDLY POWERFUL can sans be with high Dps+High Dmg. Sans got no I-Frames, Kr, and def negation, all of those are INSANE to stack dmg in no time. Just to put an Example, sans base dmg(1) is enough to deal *30+ dmg with a Gaster Blaster.* A single one. To a player with 99 Def. Now, imagine Snowdin sans, with 4 Dmg, which is x3 times sans base dmg. 30x3=90. 90+ with kr and def negation. That damage for a base monster? Is _INSANE_ Like, if he catch Papyrus out of guard? With a few blasters he would just Melt him. Tho, ofc, if papyrus went all out, he would Probably win, he would not, sans is his brother, so yeah..

[@cyl_genderfluid-furry]

Napstablook is they/them, actually.

[@SansINess53]

also!! evan's dust would seriously leave some monsters without realizing meaning, when he is hotland, he'll gain more EXP.

[@SansINess53]

Neo would most likely require a 16-18 LV sans going by your scaling but if we apply the fact that chara takes some stats away from you, means sans just would get LV 20 sooner and just kill monsterkind just so you won't get any LV.

[@SansINess53]

Very awesome analysis but... Going deeper. Sans actually can negate defenses. And even can remove I frames. So regardless whether you like it or not, dust sans is busted like he'd be able to oneshot flowey with a gaster blaster. And he would oneshot toriel with just sheer bone spam. You gotta remember the ruins' monsters don't have lots of hp like the strongest of them has only about 100-150 HP which is toriel. So overall I think the underground is ducked regardless if sans is stupid. The only point where he would truly lose is against alphys, because mettaton would be a non-issue and undyne would die easily. Just from a bit of gaster blasters. Not to mention Evan's dusttale sans literally has the ability to absorb abilities into his own arsenal. So he could just use toriel's fire to completely weaken undyne. And even if undyne goes into her undying form, you gotta know that sans negates stats and will damage you with his full output. So undyne the undying is more ducked than mad dummy with their servants. And going by the final stats for Evan's dusttale sans. He would literally almost oneshot LV 7 frisk. With a singular bone. If I mention the gaster blaster, then holy moly, frisk would get zeroshotted. Multiple times. In one death. That's it. How much would dust sans get through the undertale universe : Yes.

[@ethan7376]

One thing I’ve noticed a lot of people forget is that sans’s attack stat is absolute. Meaning if his attack was 10, he’d deal 10 damage per hit. Which also multi hits and the reason that happens is because sans negates defence completely as shown in game. So I find that’s something we really need to take into account. If sans has say 8 attack in by the end of snowdin papyrus has literally zero chance of winning due to only having 650 HP and being slower than sans by a landslide. As everyone says, the only problem for sans would be Undyne the undying, but as said in the video, you can just bypass it by bringing Undyne to hotlands which sans would 1000% think of. The guy has a over genius level IQ before the end of dusttale lol.

[@Treyvek25-dr6rp]

now imagine the absurdity, yet possibly of dustdust sans, or even dusttale: obsessed monster and so on

[@Treyvek25-dr6rp]

is it even possible? would it work? i want based guy01 to see this #Based_guy01

[@lazy_guy_2525]

Welp the only way he can kill the human is by finding the six souls and overdetermine the human making safe points useless.

[@JustStrikez69]

Or he could become murder sans

[@nickhollow]

Canon or Novel dust easly clears. He not only remembers resets unlike normal Sans and he changes his attacks but he also knows how to set up traps and even predicts attacks or how the fights will go. Innfact dust was able to slice the humans head with a toy knife that he used once for fun and dust is also so strong that the human would not be able to beat him and the fight would keep going on forever until the humans determination is gone.

[@evertonmclean5430]

I love this video! But i want to add in to it. The creator of dust tale, said that dust sans remembered all the reset. Even the true ones. Meaning sans would remember all the moves of the human and he monsters as in undertale sans is every where besides the ruins. Sans changes his attacks every time you die. But still the human would be able to kill sans. And sans can solo the underground. Oh and another thing i want add on! In the video sans has 20 lv if I'm reading correctly. That means frisk has 1 lv 20 hp. And in video its says "people make fun of mettaton for getting one shooter but its how strong you got!" While in dustale the roles change basically so sans atk would buff. And karma. But this is facts im not hating i adore this video! But yeah im look foward in more vids dude!

[@evertonmclean5430]

Yes i passed yapping class...

[@IEnchantedEmerald]

As soon as I hear "Flooded Destiny" I instantly get PTSD 8:11

[@IEnchantedEmerald]

Update: I overestimated Waterfall Dust in AU Destruction I learnt a 1 shot strat a few weeks back

[@metal42]

Neat video, here are my thoughts. Here's why Sans could beat any form of Mettaton: How Sans' power works is that he ignores durability, this is shown in his original fight, where no matter what armor you wear, Sans will always do 1 DMG per frame/30 DMG per second. The only armour that helps is cloudy glasses simply because it reduces INV Frames, which also reduce the poison damage from KARMA. Like you've probably seen from my other comments, I don't believe that KARMA is based on LV or sins, simply because it's something that's never established in the game. So Mettaton having hundreds of DEF in EX doesn't matter because Sans bypasses DEF. But what about Mettaton NEO having 30,000 HP? Well, HP Values in the files are non canon. Why? Because you'd also have to accept other stats values from files, such as ATK and DEF. And the files have Papyrus and Asriel both having 8 ATK, which is obviously ridiculous. But even then, Sans in many of Flowey's resets gave Flowey a bad time, this is most likely Flowey with High LV, so High HP isn't a issue for Sans. Unless you think Flowey at LV19 would have 92 HP like Frisk. There's also the fact that Sans is one of the fastest characters in the game, he was able to dodge Frisk at LV19 even when he's asleep, so he can easily speedblitz a bunch of characters. So could Sans solo the underground if he did a genocide? Maybe, my only doubt is if Undyne the Undying appears, then Sans would have difficulties fighting her. There's also the amalgamates that you mentioned, but I doubt Sans would ever provoke them and would ignore them via teleporting.

[@minestar2247]

5:11 that's a genius move ngl, and it does fit with sans "cheating" to stop the human

[@matheus1790]

Man Sans is smart, I believe in Hotland the smartest choice he could have made is either or yet metatton on the lava, or in the water from Waterfall, besides, he doesn't necessarily need to make the same path we did, like during the evacuation, I bet he would know where the other monsters that we normally don't kill go, like MK or the people from New Home.

[@Emuotori_fr]

2:47 I honestly don't know how true it is that napstablook can be affected by magic considering that not even Asriel's hypergoner affected him and it is the only monster that Asriel couldn't absorb.

[@whocares6757]

Yeah but that's because he closed his blinds and didn't open the door when the light knocked politely lol

[@3dkillersans]

Don't you just love it when flame eye gets taken too seriously?

[@This_Guy_Exists]

5:37 There's one small issue with the "Mettaton cant die in box form" logic. Sans ignores defense. Meaning that Mettaton would take damage anyways.

[@Koiishi_Komeiji]

Dusttale but something went wrong After 200+ resets has tried everything to stop the human, but he failed. Now there is only one thing left to do... Sans starts in snowdin and hunts down every single Jerry alive to get some EXP and then... Everyone starts praising Sans for getting rid of Jerrys, asking him what he would like to get as an award. Sans asked to setup 24/7 shop, which specifically would block exit from the ruins. Exit from ruins blocked. You can't kill shopkeepers. Flowey is sick of genocides too. Dead end for human

[@GDeez-nr3qm]

5:37, I would like to argue the point that sans's gaster blasters can get through armor, they render the temmie armor useless and it is pretty op so with enough gaster blasters he could presumably melt through mettaton like clover did to axis in undertale yellow.

[@vittorioibekwe6606]

“Papyrus could beat sans” And that my friend is where the story begins, what’s up guys welcome to dustbelief!

[@Cenviwhatif]

now this is a good Dust video (and love the small Dustbelief hint bc Papyrus really could beat snowdin dust sans) although he will be defeated by the human if we using Dust's logic with canon sans logic he might get a glimps of SAVE and do one simple thing just not letting us play, if LV 1 Sans could do random shit with the battle hud then a level 19 or 20 would just be able to unable them (by destoying or stucking them with bones) if he KNOWS he can't win well he can just simply win by other means

[@sptflcrw8583]

Bruh

[@Cenviwhatif]

@@sptflcrw8583 thanks

[@arrakokosit]

I read the thumbnail as "IT'S BUSTING TIME" and I was like... what

[@malgora7499]

I think its funny that in this scenario accurate sans just doesnt let undyne get into her undying form and runs to hotland like pacifist route frisk lmao

[@monkeycrimson6087]

6:36 since asgore was presumably alive during the war would it not be safe to say that he maybe killed a couple humans on the front lines? i think karma would work to a medium degree on asgore.

[@sptflcrw8583]

No he didn't. Play the game

[@monkeycrimson6087]

@@sptflcrw8583 nah.

[@sptflcrw8583]

@@monkeycrimson6087 then continue being a dumbass ig

[@Teoloder]

The Undyine scenario you mentioned cloud go wrong, *let me explain* : In Undertale, Undyne is one of the characters that has her guard ALL of the time, an example is in her date in the pacifist, she had the audacity to throw a spear at you, she thought you would do something bar or prob a warning. But that reason alone proves my point. Onto hotland strategy (basically running to hotland), sans CLOUD pull that off, and when undyne is tired or weakened, he cloud finish her or just run away, but I think Undyne would realise that she is getting baited, and she would retreat, or take her armour off. In undertale, Frisk has done that with ease, and Undyne fell for their trick, because Undyne was VERY DESPERATE to chase them, because they were a human. She also had enough motivation and desperation to chase them, despite she digging her own grave. But if sans pulled that off, there would be a 50/50 he would succeed or fail. Undyne isn't as desperate as she was with Frisk, scince sans only killed every monster to this point, I don't think Undyne would be that desperate to fall for his trick. In Undertale, she was *THAT DESPERATE* to chase you, she even forgot to use her green soul ability, which is the excact counter to Frisk's strategy. But, Frisk is a human, undyne would do anything for a human soul. Conclusion: Sans cloud have done that, but he would prob fail or he would succeed. Or we can have the Dusttale outcome, which is the lamest and has the worst outcome. Also Undyne wouldn't pop Undying, because she still wouldn't be that desperate to achive her full strength. In Undertale's genocide, you killed every monster so far, you ATTEMPTED to kill a child in front of Undyne (not really, but Undyne was fast enough to block the attack) and you were a human with the last human soul. Those were enough motives for Undyne to pop Undying, sans only checks 2/3 (1/3 if he didn't attempt to kill Monster Kid).

[@jackmoseley4959]

Unfortunately for Sans, he’s up against a player patient enough to do 300 fucking genocide runs, so really it doesn’t matter how strong he gets.

[@aureliamastergoomba1278]

6:09 Fun Fact: If you had Mettaton Neo’s canon stats against regular Sans, you could only spam fight and no even try to dodge and you’ll won’t even see the full health bar, or even how much of it Sans has depleted!

[@Siond]

3:05 sans can easily take toriel, he can dodge for a lot of turns and he does a lot of damage even without the KR effect and that’s him on LV1, and with his LV rising so his attacks and HP…

[@Clover-212]

6 dead kids + Flower = Sans' demise

[@bloxxer717]

“Sans then went on to get neg diffed” Uh….the human only has like 4 lv. Also sans is gonna be doing hella damage to you.

[@theonomaly6389]

Here is one reason I believe that Classic Sans doesn’t actually do this (other than the Fact that I doubt Toby would ever even consider making one of his characters do something so volatile for basically no reason). I think Sans doesn’t do this (even assuming he completely remembers resets), is that he knows it would be pointless in the end. He knows winning, lossing… all he can really do is give up, maybe try and delay the inevitable, or convince them that this isn’t worth it in the end. He knows, one day, you will finally be able to kill him. Even if he can 1 shot you, and Karma could stack through resets (basically meaning LOVE 20 Karma effect at LOVE 1), you would eventually find a way to beat him. He doesn’t follow Alphys in her plan of complete avoidance of you for a few reasons including wanting to honor Papyrus’s last wishes, the fact that you will destroy everything if you succeed, and to convince you to be a better person. If Sans did the Dusttale AU, even if just once, it would completely ruin all of his hard work to bore you (though, not fighting us in the first place would have had a better end result). It would make things interesting enough to be worth trying again. If anyone did anything differently, it would ruin his plans of making them leave the world alone by making it too boring to play. No couriousity can motivate you forward when it feels like (and you don’t actually know) if anything else can happen.

[@KeefeRudyardDelaCruzDigital-Ar]

Sorry to be rude but. Then again, the OG Dusttale stated that the Player did like hundreds of Resets and so many resets, that the part of boredom is kind of pointless, since it clearly shows that they can do it forever. In the OG Dusttale, Sans tried basically anything, possibly the one you said, but failed in the end, and became desperate. If that where the case, then desperate time comes with desperate measure. OG Dusttale is a AU where Sans learn from his mistakes, and makes it so that that Sans makes a impossible choice to do it. Even if he would do this song and dance forever, he won't give up until he soft lock the Player, and force them to give up. Remember, the winning condition is Sans force the Player to give up, and unless their a hacker, their is no way to push pass him. Because of his memories intact, he would never let the Human pass him, and would just use this to his advantage by changing his attack pattern. Remember, the whole reason why Sans was the most difficult Boss Monster in the entire Underground is due to his faster bone attacks, unfair attack patterns, and it is a nightmare for first times. Stack it up with Sans can remember each reset, then it's a raps, and he just need LV to cover his HP.

[@theonomaly6389]

@@KeefeRudyardDelaCruzDigital-Ar Now, this is a fair point, but not even an insane person would attempt to do this in real life. The closest you will ever get to that in cheating and hacking the game. While I do admit, Sans really could do a lot better by learning from the deaths of the human, it is also understandable that Toby wouldn't want to code a whole new attack set for every time you died to this 'final' boss that he is trying to to avoid you fighting in the first place. Sanity isn't really a factor either, just because... Sans knows it is impossible, even with all of his knowledge (unless he decides to use the DT Extractor, but that would be cheating). Even more so, I have a theory to explain why he doesn't after you complete a genocide run. It is actually one you might have heard before. One where we actually completely destroy the timeline and continue onto the next one, just as Chara says. Sans, knows about other timelines. He might be able to figure out when one stops, and something from another enters his own. He is smart enough to fill in the context clues, but he doesn't actually know how many you have destroyed, nor has he experienced it. Hence, the fact that he never goes insane. Because to him, it has only actually happened, once.

[@KeefeRudyardDelaCruzDigital-Ar]

​@@theonomaly6389 Then again, his memories thing is a bit weird, due to the fact that in Dusttale, their are multiple reasons why Sans suddenly remember. In one instance, Sans gain it due to a glitch in the timeline, causing his memories to be intact, even if a Reset or True Reset is occur, because Reset can only interfere with Timelines, and not internal mechanics. The second is that Gaster, and probably he would be the one who interfere with things, such as giving Sans a ability to remember after Reset or Reload. Then the final is DT, which is obvious. Either way, with Sans being able to remember, even after timelines reset or destruction, Sans would always remember, even after everything. Plus, Sans is always a cheater, as he attack the Human in their turn, do a impossible attack when they tried to spare him, and his special attack is to literally just never give them their turn due to him being tired. His reason is because we can come back, so their is no point of giving a fair fight because in the end, where the ones being unfair, by abusing Save and Load. I never said that his Sanity is gone, I said he became desperate. With how things works in Dusttale, Sans would just gave up at first, but then it became a thing and he decided to act upon this. Imagine trying to just gave up and ignore it before for you to have later regretted it? Yeah, this is how he felt, with him just tired of seeing everyone he knew and love killed over and over again.

[@theonomaly6389]

@@KeefeRudyardDelaCruzDigital-Ar I know all of this as well. Also, I only mentioned a lack of sanity because that was the entire reason Insanitytale was made. A spin-off concept of Dusttale, but the reason is asqued into DT poisoning among other things. Gaster is a very prominent character in the Undertale Fandom (among Sans’s and Sans of Sans… and everyone else). He is basically everyone’s “Get out of Jail Free” card. Like mentioned in the very beginning, Insanitytale for DT. I never really enjoyed the storied the abused the “It’s a game, games glitch sometimes” logic either, especially for describing reality. Even more so, when a glitch doesn’t actually affect their side of things, and only ours. Plus, glitch isn’t even needed to let Sans remember. As long as a genocide route isn’t complete, Sans can still remember everything. He just choices to pretend to not remember. Well… that, and the fact that he does actually remember everything. He just remembers the jist of what happened, just like everyone else. If you don’t complete the run, he’ll just think it was a bad dream. If you do, well… he wouldn’t really be there, since he would already be dead. No amount of resetting can bring that specific instance of Sans back either. Just the new one, whose timeline you just invaded. If your doing a pacifist run and do a normal reset, he’ll remember it like a dream, but not believe it truly. Also no, not every single reset, just the one. Save and Load? He’ll only have a vivid sense of Dejavu (the whole joke for his room key is just him testing to see if they are real or not. When he gives the key to you, his suspicions are confirmed). On a True Reset? It is exactly as stated and everyone forgets everything. (I exclude Flowey because we are not talking about him right now. Flowey is an outlier, and so are the amalgamates). I would like to state that this is just my theory on how the world of Undertale actually works, and not me saying that this is canon. Dusttale is fanon, so none of this technically applies to it, but what say you?

[@KeefeRudyardDelaCruzDigital-Ar]

​@@theonomaly6389 I would say that even if it isn't a game, the amount of timelines destroyed and renew is going be that it's bound for some type of consequences. Remember, even if this isn't a game, how frequent a reset occur would have some dire side effects, and Dusttale makes it so that this is one of them. With how Sans was able to remember, even after the timeline's destruction, it should be not surprise that Sans was acting like he was, even if we transfer into a different timeline. It is almost like his memories, and by extension DT as well, would be transfer into a new Sans, gaining all of his consciousness, experience, and more.

[@xenos529]

Sans (dusttale) : Its dustin time 😈 Me : *ITS SWEEPING TIMEEEE*

[@lost_to_time.]

My personal take on karma: Sans is only allowed to use Karma because he acts as a non-biased judge. Even if you kill the people who matter to him, he still judges you fairly, and without bias, only attacking on Geno Route. Dust Sans, as a murderer himself, wouldn't be able to use karma, or would have to inflict it on himself as well.

[@aureliamastergoomba1278]

2:23 More like Flowey going to avoid Sans at all times. Flowey’s not even gonna try going near him.

[@Soup-678]

oh my god, he's dusting his tale!!! evacuate immediately!!!

[@lori9245]

basedguy, could you do this with dustdust sans? (for context if you havent heard of dustdust sans, hes technically dust sans however a glitch occurs during one of the resets that allows sans to keep all the exp he earned on the previous geno route, thus allowing him to get to lv 40(i think) while losing so much of his humanity that not only does he not care about killing his own brother, he loses sight of his original goal, oh and he also kills a sans and chara from another timeline and has a phase 2 where he absorbs the soul of that timeline's chara)

[@Military_base01]

no. dustdust wins low diff

[@lori9245]

@Military_base01 o

[@Miguelnumbers]

In short: "Every timeline where The Human loses is 100% impossible. *Yes,* even _Call of the void_ because Sans just melts after capturing the human's soul and they just reset after regaining control of the Timeline."