How Four Murders Made New Zealand

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@spectacles-dm 10 ай бұрын

Any device, anywhere in the world, at any time. 🚨 Get AnyDesk now at anydesk.com/spectacles 💻

@qbeats2062 8 ай бұрын

anydesk is for scammers.....mostly in india.

@SendManHell069 5 ай бұрын

spyware

@timmyjefferson1815 3 ай бұрын

The pronunciation is killing me

@jackrichards1863 11 күн бұрын

Your one eyed narrative of the story gives me the shits. Today's people were never involved yet you drive the mule that says we have a debt to the people of today due to these long passed days. Adding a distort involving the key figures in this history claiming Anydesk may have helped his presentation near Russel. Those of you coming from distant shores can be certain of something. We are a peaceful and respectful people. But it want to put your two cents in there could be trouble. And if you answer our trouble equally there will be blood. NZ don't hesitate to be clear in our word. Whitey or Maori. There might be a lot of tension at times and yes, it's very real. Behind it all NOWADAYS is we love our people, all of them, and the land we are all born in. Also despite the rhetoric about political tension and racial unrest. You who speak this way are those who are starting this way. New Zealanders are listening and talking this way. One day a change will be made and the talks will probably continue with the same heartfelt emphasis. And the whitey Pakeha will listen still more. Knowing at least, our Maori whanau are still happier than before. Maybe a time for another change will come. Perhaps it all stays the same. But we don't need any more shit stirring foreigners writing OUR story again. Ke te Pai ehoa.

@KarlBunker 10 ай бұрын

British Parliament: "I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further."

@frenzalrhomb6919 10 ай бұрын

Prey the Maori NEVER come after YOU!!

@senabecool7232 10 ай бұрын

Isn't that basically the Sykes-Picot agreement?

@quack9694 10 ай бұрын

@@frenzalrhomb6919and do what? They lost

@nzukimasila2896 10 ай бұрын

Then You hear that mf from black rock saying africa should be colonized by the US. We don't trust western countries

@longiusaescius2537 10 ай бұрын

@quack9694 the Brits cucked though

@vccc911 10 ай бұрын

Took a pause from work as soon as I saw the notification. We got to lift this channel up, the quality behind these videos (graphics, research, narration) is up there with the best of them.

@noname88551 4 ай бұрын

Maori did not call NZ Aotearoa its the name of one of the islands of New Zealand as far as one tribe of many see it so this is factually incorrect. Also Maori ceded sovereignty to the queen via the Treaty of Waitangi as they wanted to trade under the British Flag at international ports and the queen guaranteed their rights and protected them as equal to British settlers in return for ceding sovereignty. on what planet does the queen of England protect other sovereigns? She protects her subjects. Everyone knows this and only 1.6% of the nation still play this game of "we didn't cede" because they are trying to grift money for settlement of the modern made up grievance. This is being pushed by the unhinged Maori Party but dispite what the name suggests only has support of 1 in 6 Maori - 5 in 6 Maori do not agree with this tripe. Read the writings of the most celebrated and intelligent Maori Apirana Ngata on this matter and get real facts. this channel is spreading miss information.

@skuzza405 9 ай бұрын

as someone of ngāpuhi and someone who grew up in tai tokerau where all these events took place and their effects are still felt today, i appreciate a light being shined on the flagstaff war - it's a super important chapter in the history of ngāpuhi and tino rangatiratanga that often gets forgotten - but there's some pretty glaring omissions and mistakes in this video that need addressing: Te Tiriti and The Treaty of Waitangi: This is a debate that's still very hot in NZ politics today, so I'll give the cliff notes here and try not to inject my own opinion. There are two "versions" of Te Tiriti - the English document and the Reo Māori document. The reo Māori document promised "-ki ngā tāngata katoa o Nu Tirani te tino rangatiratanga o ō rātou whenua, ō rātou kainga me o rātou taonga katoa", which roughly translates as promising "to all the people of Nu Tirani (New Zealand, specifically Māori as outlined by He Whakaputanga) tino rangatiratanga (highest authority or soverignty) of their lands, their homes, and all their taonga (important treasures such as language, cultural practice, religions, etc.), and to the Queen of England "te Kawanatanga katoa o ō rātou whenua"; "All governership of [the rangatira's] lands". The english document, however, states "The Chiefs of the Confederation of the United Tribes of New Zealand [...] cede to Her Majesty the Queen of England absolutely and without reservation all the rights and powers of Sovereignty". I won't get further into the nitty gritty of this - whether the treaty was deliberately mistranslated or not, whether the rangatira who signed it were aware of the British interpretation, etc. - it's a complex issue that's currently in the spotlight of NZ politics, but it's important to note this difference, and also important to note that Te Tiriti - the reo Māori document - was the one most rangatira Māori signed; only 39 rangatira of about 500 signatories put their signature to the english document. Maketū's execution being the cause of the war: While it's a good framing device for a story, reducing the causes of the flagstaff war purely to Maketū's execution by the British is a bit reductive. Whilst important to Māori as a sign that they no longer held the power to practice tīkanga and that their mana was waning, it's more the straw that broke the camel's back than the main cause of war. Issues between the crown and Māori existed long before this incident - the capital being moved from Kororāreka and the Wairau affray are good examples of this. Unlawful selling of land was a major factor in strained Crown-Māori relationships - one that Te Tiriti was said to address, but ultimately would be exacerbated in the English version. Te Ruki Kawiti: While he gets only one mention in this video, Kawiti - a rangatira of Ngāpuhi - is just as important to the story of the flagstaff war as Hone Heke. One of the original dissenters of Te Tiriti at Waitangi - partly due to his dislike for Heke and partly due to fears of British deception due to his own land being unlawfully taken from him by a Paihia missionary - was one of the main engineers behind the modernisation of the pā (also known as "gunfighter pā") that would allow the anti-crown Māori to come out of the flagstaff war without a single military loss against the British. Kāwiti was a seasoned commander from the musket wars, and he'd seen firsthand the benefits and drawbacks of modernised warfare during his campaigns. There are some historians who even attribute Kawiti's design to contributing to the invention of trench warfare - veterans and military historians allegedly drew inspiration from the designs of Kawiti's pā in the latter half of the 19th century into the 20th century. The purpose of Ruapekapeka: Though I'm not sure if this is the video's intention, it feels like Ruapekapeka is wrongly implied as having strategic importance to anti-crown Māori.This isn't really true; Ruapekapeka was a purely military construction, aimed to bait Governor Grey into sending troops into unfavourable siege conditions to damage British morale and numbers, to then be abandoned when it had served its purpose. This was part of the design of the pā at Ōhaeawai, and there's even a short song written by British troops about this sort of strategy: "Sing a song of sixpence a tale about the war, Four and twenty n****rs cooped up in a pā, When the pā was opened not a n****r there was seen, Is not that a jolly tale to tell before the Queen?" Kūpapa: Though Kūpapa has now become a derogatory term within Te Ao Māori, Kūpapa - crown-allied Māori - played an important part in the flagstaff war as military advisors and soliders. Though their advice was often ignored, such as Governor Fitzroy insisting on charging the pā at Ōhaeawai against the warnings of Tāmiti Wāka Nene, their military role was important in the more forgotten about battles in the war, such as the battle of Te Ahuahu (which I'll touch on later). This also ties in to an idea that isn't in this video: Māori are not one whole unit, and neither is Ngāpuhi (and neither is any group of people, really). Tāmiti Wāka Nene joined forces with the British crown as he saw anti-crown Māori's rejection of British rule as an insult to his mana - he was a staunch advocate for the signing of Te Tiriti, and his considerable mana was a factor in getting a lot of rangatira to sign. The rejection of British governance was seen as an insult to this, and so he took up arms. Te Ahuahu: Due to the battle at Te Ahuahu being a purely Ngāpuhi vs. Ngāpuhi conflict, there's not a lot of written history about it, and I urge those watching to seek out info about it if they're interested, but it's a very important battle in the Flagstaff War, as it was the only one that was a clear defeat for anti-crown Māori, putting Hone Heke out of action with injuries for months on end, and forcing Kawiti to rethink his approach to the war, hence the battle at Ruapekapeka. The Flagstaff war being a Māori last chance: This is a pretty flawed interpretation of the history of tino rangatiratanga. The flagstaff war was the first of many crown-Māori wars in Aotearoa, with many other campaigns such as the Hutt Valley and Whanganui campaigns, the two Taranaki wars, the invasion of the Waikato, and Te Kooti's war (and that's not even a comprehensive list). Reducing the fate of Māori to the uncertain outcome of the Flagstaff war and the fate of Ngāpuhi is reductive both historically and culturally, and its important that people understand that the Flagstaff War is a chapter of the history of Te Tiriti, and not the whole story itself. Of course, none of this is to imply that this video was made with ill intentions. It's good to have discussions about these events so that people can be educated on the history of tino rangatiratanga and an introduction to the long-term causes of racial inequality in NZ. Thanks for making it, and I hope everyone watching and reading has learned something new about the ground under their feet and its whakapapa.

@BettiePagan 9 ай бұрын

Mahi nui e hoa!! Boost this comment up friends, incredible & valuable knowledge, tēnā koe tēnā koutou ♥️ Thank you for your teaching, straight from the source! Learned a lot from this as Pakeha & appreciate your time to write this out, ka pai tō mahi!

@rodrikforrester6989 9 ай бұрын

Much respect to the people of New Zealand! I hope Spectacles pins this comment.

@Eternal_border 9 ай бұрын

That is way to much to read for a KZbin comment

@patrickkalin4437 9 ай бұрын

Is there an old trail from the back of Ruapekapeka that goes all the way to Oakura??

@peterwallis4288 9 ай бұрын

@fairybre4dfrom my reading of the English translation of the Moari version on Te Ara, he's mistaken or lying.

@-ashesz- 9 ай бұрын

as a high school student in NZ, i knew hardly anything to do with any of this. they dont teach us the important stuff, just that there was a “mistranslation that may or may not have been deliberate” and personally im fed up with only being taught the bare minimum of our own country’s history

@nero.unleashed 9 ай бұрын

💯

@clairebarry8030 9 ай бұрын

In the 80's at school we learnt The Treaty was a good thing and everyone was happy to live as one because white people gave guns and blankets to struggling people in exchange for some land. The executions, land confiscation and other awful stuff was not mentioned at all. I know several people my age that grew up in NZ still don't know anymore than that. It's why it's so easy for the politicians to argue for "equal rights", because they can white wash everything just like was done at school and some people genuinely don't know better. Pretty awful most New Zealanders don't know the half of the awful history of our country. So sad 😢 I can only hope children now are learning a more impartial view and are more empathetic to the injustices done in the past.

@fentonpene6131 9 ай бұрын

IF THEY TEACH REAL NZ HISTORY THEY WOULD HAVE TO ADMIT THE BAD THINGS THEY DID THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE TO ADMIT TO BEING DEFEATED AND FORCED TO SIGN A TREATY. MAORI SIGNED WITH THE BRITISH CROWN NOT WITH THE NZ PEOPLE OR GOVERNMENT THEY CAME BECAUSE MAORI WANTED THE BRITISH TO CONTROL THEIR PEOPLE. ALL THE GOOD THINGS THAT KEEP THE GOVT IN CHECK ARE FROM MAORI AND THEIR SUPPORTERS

@samuellatu3123 9 ай бұрын

@@clairebarry8030my youngest sibling is learning that New Zealand only got the treaty because of fear that the French would claim us first, by that knowledge how I learned about the treaty in the mid 90s it’s like New Zealand was a useful military tactic.

@clairebarry8030 9 ай бұрын

@@samuellatu3123 that's so weird it's still not all the info

@paradoxreboot 10 ай бұрын

The whole time I was watching I assumed this was a super large channel with millions of subs. I did not expect this to only have 8.5k views. This is quality content! You deserve 1000x that!

@JoeRogansForehead 10 ай бұрын

Cause he literally copied Lemino editing style . So you’ve probably seen a. Channel with Millions of subs that looks extremely similar

@ebrimajallow9631 10 ай бұрын

@@JoeRogansForehead "copying" is a negative term to use, i would say more inspire; Because he using one that look similar but still educating people use it.

@Swamp72 9 ай бұрын

2 weeks later and 10x more views. Getting there!

@noname88551 4 ай бұрын

@zachryder3150 10 ай бұрын

RIP Old Zealand

@squeaksquawk4255 10 ай бұрын

Nah, Old Zeeland is still there for now, although the sea has been trying to make it not for a few centuries

@ddanenel 10 ай бұрын

we zijn er nog hoor

@aureliusmarcusantoninus3441 10 ай бұрын

@@ddaneneldamn , the dutch are real, the one piece is real

@icantseethis 10 ай бұрын

I didn't even play the first one on original xbox wtf

@sandwich5344 10 ай бұрын

@@ddanenelgekoloniseerd broeder, laten we de frikandellenbroodjes delen met nieuw zeeland

@notdancooper923 10 ай бұрын

Hey! Resident of Aotearoa New Zealand here with a handy pronunciation guide for Te Reo Māori: A = cAr E = Egg I = frEE O = OAr U = trUE NG = thiNG WH = gaFF (this one is confusing, I understand) If you see an accent over a vowel, or a double vowel (ie Kākā or Kooti) simply elongate the sound. Te Reo Māori is really easy to learn once you know these basic rules, as it's one of the only languages in the world that's 100% phonetically consistent, meaning once you know how to pronounce all the letters, you can confidently pronounce every word in the Māori dictionary! I hope you enjoyed my fun little lesson about our beautiful corner of the world. Ka pai, kia kaha!

@elLooto 10 ай бұрын

Te Reo is the Tainui dialect. It is absolutely not 100% phonetically consistent, and denies other dialects existence, going so far as to "officially" change the spelling and pronunciation of other iwi dialects: cf Wanganui to Whanganui. The iwi in that area did not use an "f" sound. The history of the written maori language (even the accents over vowels are extremely recent, and only came in to bully other iwi) is quite fascinating, right from its inception; the 'wh' sound is pronounced like whoosh in the central north island where the written language was created; phonetically, by a European settler. 'wh' as 'f' is a completely Tainui affectation, like certain english dialects dropping 'h' from the start of words, and for much the same reasons. Pronunciation is wildly different between south Auckland and Hamilton, for example. You just have to talk to the locals to know this. If you get your maori from Te Reo, you'd never know. I have a river view overlooking Turangawaewae. The yearly regatta is an awesome spectacle, btw.

@notdancooper923 10 ай бұрын

@@elLooto Tried to simplify for a foreign audience and ended up using poor wording, my bad. What I meant was that every letter in standard written Te Reo is pronounced, and pronounced the same way every time. For example E is pronounced the same no matter where in the word it is, unlike in all European languages (that I'm familiar with, welcome to be corrected). I know in Greek the letter N can change based on the letters around it, and I know this is the case for slavic, SE Asian, Celtic, etc languages - I just don't know enough to give examples

@notdancooper923 10 ай бұрын

I know you're just saying racist shit to get a rise (how boring your life must be that this is your entertainment), but in case you want to learn and begin to mend your bigoted ways, here's a fun fact: If you consider Te Reo Māori primitive (which, by the way, isn't a scientific term), you must also admit that English, which has been evolving in its modern form for about the same amount of time as Te Reo (English c.1000ad, Te Reo c.1300ad), is also a primitive language. "But what about Old English?" You say. What about old Māori? All languages evolved from an earlier version of themselves, that's how language works. There is no such thing as a primitive language because all naturally occurring languages have been evolving for the exact same amount of time. Also! If you think Te Reo is primitive, by god you must think Latin is only spoken by the dumbest of the dumb huh?

@doorwhisperer 10 ай бұрын

These comments are a good example of maori disunity

@cm222 10 ай бұрын

@@Donsomebody All natural languages are equal. If you only treat European languages as "civilised", then of course non-European language features will seem "primitive".

@SnakeBuds 9 ай бұрын

im a kiwi and every new zealander should watch this. really puts things into perspective

@cm222 10 ай бұрын

This is such a great video! Te Tiriti o Waitangi is covered a lot here in New Zealand, but not the events following it. The Māori pronunciations are quite painful, but this is really well researched and shows a great respect for the culture. You've gained a subscriber!

@subculturenz 9 ай бұрын

Don't shame him for using Te Reo, his pronounciation is better than a lot of NZ Pakeha.

@subculturenz 9 ай бұрын

@@juanjuan5698 is that what you told yourself when ALL Maori students were smarter than you?

@subculturenz 9 ай бұрын

@@juanjuan5698 there is no racism is saying that New Zealand European have trouble pronouncing Māori language, in many cases they choose to pronounce it how they feel it should sound, rather than pronouncing it correctly, but as I made a point in saying was NOT to shame people who are at least are trying. What you have said is OUTRIGHT racism. Just because you don't see people in your chosen subject, doesn't mean they aren't as smart OR ARE LESSER THAN EVERYONE ELSE.

@agent1485 9 ай бұрын

@@subculturenz Just for context what did juan say?

@subculturenz 9 ай бұрын

@@agent1485 can't really say what he said because it was outright racist. I already referenced what he said in that post.

@charlesbrain6220 10 ай бұрын

Have to switch from the phone to the big screen when the spectacles comes on

@jeremycole1341 10 ай бұрын

Insane how good this channel is. Better than anything Netflix makes

@noname88551 4 ай бұрын

@NatjoOfficial 10 ай бұрын

1:56 There is one biiiig thing Spectacle got wrong about the Treaty of Waitangi (Source, I live in New Zealand, doesn't mean I'm more knowledgeable but the treaty is a unavoidable topic in NZ history and is still considered a founding document) The treaty of Waitangi, I'll call it "TOW", was a document that was written in two languages; English and Maori. The intention of it was the English side of the treaty, which goal's Spectacle got spot on, however the translation into Maori was perfectly awful. As in, it was translated well enough to read but translated into something else entirely. The english side of TOW said in a TDLR fashion "The crown would have the land" The Maori side of TOW said in a TDLR fashion "The tribes would have the land" because the Maori language had no concept of what the crown was, so rather than use use the english word they translated to it. And you might think "Oh, but that's your TDLR summery of the whole cluster fuck, surely the whole document wasn't like that"... the whole document was like that. Instead of using the plain english words, the treaty used words which the Maori would conceptually understand, which rewrote their side of TOW into giving the maori all the land. Effectively, TWO promised in two different ways that both the british and the Maori would own all the land, not that they'd have their own separate areas as Spectacle suggested. Tbh, I'm still on the fence if it was a genuine mistake or the british being dicks again, but when explaining it to others I try to make it out as a mistake, because often where there seems to be malice is usually just idiocy.

@longiusaescius2537 10 ай бұрын

Idiocy I think tbh

@laurencefraser 10 ай бұрын

For reference: TL;DR, for "Too long; Didn't Read", not TDLR for... *shrug*. Not super important, I just tend not notice stuff like that. I'd give decent odds that at the time it was 'best attempt to actually translate what the people are acutally agreeing to for those Maori who could not read the English version (which was to be the actual legal document)'. And, of course, while there were a number of Maori who could read English perfectly well by that point, the number who couldn't was still 'most of them'. Doesn't even really require any idiocy, just the limitations of translation (much more difficult than most give it credit for when the languages in question lack relevant common cultural references to work from). Following the usual practice of humanity, people (not just the British) being dicks about it came later.

@AstralPhnx 10 ай бұрын

Thank you for bringing this up! It's such an important part that a lot of people don't know about

@itmakessenseincontext889 9 ай бұрын

I've been doing a lot of study on te Tiriti recently, and the mistranslations were because the translators knew that if they translated the English to Te Reo directly Māori would not sign. Also because the translation was done literally overnight by a missionary and his son who were not native Te Reo speakers, and without the help of native Te Reo speakers.

@BettiePagan 9 ай бұрын

imo lack of respect to limitations of the language & malice due to lack of consultation and clarification; idiocy in those who (often unknowingly) carried the English version as a substitute for both into history and beyond, when there were identifiable mistranslations from so very early on. For not-kiwis, there was an incident at one of our museums of National history, Te Papa, this past December wherein pro-te Tiriti (those who _honour the treaty_ that the current government is trying to interfere with) protestors defaced the large exhibition where these two documents are carved into large wood display panels side-by-side (this is not the original document, but that is also there). They spray-painted across the English document mistranslations (from te Reo to English, as opposed to the way it was initially translated). As a lover of art & a student of Information Studies, this really shocked me at first, but their message imo is an even stronger piece of protest art now. I believe it is still being kept up as such. Dude literally abseiled in to protect the message of te Tiriti his ancestors know, done in a way that let the people be heard when parliament began their talks, legend tbh!

@theshawshankinception1220 5 ай бұрын

As soon as he said “PowerPoint” at 3:36 I knew instantly it was about to be a sponsor read lol

@andrewlim9345 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for covering an incident during the New Zealand Wars. These conflicts consolidated settler control over New Zealand and laid the foundations for the development of NZ as a settler colony.

@noname88551 4 ай бұрын

@christianrameka9749 4 күн бұрын

@@noname88551if you can’t translate the Treaty in Māori that we signed, that’s where your Ted talk ends.

@peterkelly4873 10 ай бұрын

The quality of your videos is incredible. Can't wait until you get the gold button too!

@myfriendmoses 7 ай бұрын

Don't know why he didn't ask a couple of people on how to pronounce things when he was in New Zealand

@noname88551 4 ай бұрын

@moumous87 10 ай бұрын

The promo transition was smooth 😂

@FriendlyBaphomet 10 ай бұрын

I love the fact that you travel the world for your Videos, so much effort and love goes Into them and one can really feel that, absolutley great work, keep it going please 😊

@lankylongman 9 ай бұрын

Just so you know, there was no Aotearoa to end/destroy. It is a European name. Maori were splintered tribes and there was no concept of the country as we know it. They only had names for the specific islands, and even these different between different iwi

@colonelfustercluck486 4 ай бұрын

that is true. NZ was a concept invented by European settlers /colonisers. Before then, it was a series of islands with local tribal rule over small areas. With constant inter tribal disputes and fighting. SO back in the old days, it was not a country with, a national government and rule. Each area was different to live in. You could live in a 'troubled' area with conflict, or live in a peaceful area.

@funkduck210 Ай бұрын

Nothing unites a people like oppression

@jemma_19988 16 күн бұрын

The people are not united. There are many tribes who do not recognize maori king, many maori who do not support te pati maori party

@MiaRahui 13 күн бұрын

⁠@@jemma_19988this is slowly changing though thanks to the act party’s divisive treaty principles bill and the crowning of the māori queen

@rightmunted7538 12 күн бұрын

I just want to point out how this is both true and false. Yeah there was no agreed name for the whole set of Islands, Aotearoa was mostly used by Nga Puhi i believe to describe the North Island. But I will also like to point out the fact that most of the Iwi had infact already begun to form a united federation of sorts. Before muskets were introduced, wars between iwi were fought hand to hand, which is a form of warfare that has always historically had low casualty rates. After muskets were introduced warfare between iwi went from having dozens of casualties at most to being absolutely devastating, and the prospect of musket warfare caused iwi to develop their Pa's to become almost impenetrable. Because of all that, the chiefs and Iwis as a whole had long worked to put an end to the fighting and collaborate as a whole opposed to competing and bringing more devastation. So, although there was no absolute formal government or nation wide name or law outside the universal cultural norms between iwi. The Maori were well on their way to being a unified Aotearoa/New Zealand/Whatever else you'd like to call it. It's very ignorant and incorrect to act as if they were still all fighting and competing with each other constantly, and that idea only exists in New Zealand today to "justify" colonization by falsely implying that without the Brittish conquest, maori would still be fighting each other today.

@jan_Masewin 9 ай бұрын

Te Reo Māori is in my opinion the easiest language of an English-colonised people for an English speaker to pronounce, though the vowels are a bit harder for most Americans. It just takes a little care, e.g. your pronunciation of Aotearoa is excellent. One thing many people even in NZ screw up is stress placement, which is with the first long vowel/diphthong and otherwise on the first syllable

@scootergrant8683 4 ай бұрын

Agreed. Even with a small amount of exposure, it seems to be quite easy to adopt. Not too sure why but it doesn't take too much effort.

@Tiklechilds 6 күн бұрын

as a NZ school student myself, al we were told was a "mistranslation" happened, but after watchinmg this video i might sue my school.

@jipello4656 10 ай бұрын

Yo this video is crazy good, the attention to detail is immaculate and the production is crazy good, how does this not have more views????

@noname88551 4 ай бұрын

@Stempy-channel 9 ай бұрын

My dad says there was a murder in the small town where we grew up. A family of 2 adults and a newborn. The adults were shot from an outside window, but the baby he been constantly fed and kept alive over the time from the murders to when the bodies were found

@cindyshirreffs2099 9 ай бұрын

Harvey and Jeanette Crewe? And 18 month old Rochelle was left "alone" for days in her cot.

@cindyshirreffs2099 9 ай бұрын

Murders still unsolved

@Stempy-channel 9 ай бұрын

@@cindyshirreffs2099 Looking into it it says they were found in a river, I don't think that's the one but thanks for telling me this !! :D

@blazerking262 10 ай бұрын

You should give a retelling of chunuk bair in WW1 which showed the distinctive differences that were present of how NZ and Austrailia weren't considered an extension of the British empire but simply a part of it.

@josephd.5524 10 ай бұрын

Which is a handy way to convince thousands of young men to march to their deaths. You can see an example of this today in Russia where men from 5000kms away are being dragged over to Ukraine to die horribly for nothing but this vague concept of 'motherland.' NZ and Aussie men were cannon fodder to be fed to the guns by the shovelful. You can see exactly what I mean if you spend any time reading about how the Gallipoli campaign went.

@LiamL763 5 ай бұрын

@@josephd.5524 every nationality was cannon fodder in that war not just those from the colonies

@scootergrant8683 4 ай бұрын

Indeed. Much of the sentiment of being British continued for decades beyond self-governance. One can still see on many monuments erected in small towns in the middle of wide open country, themes of fighting for Britain.

@blazerking262 4 ай бұрын

@@scootergrant8683 I always saw them as being erected as a sign for fighting for the small towns themselves

@scootergrant8683 4 ай бұрын

@@blazerking262 It would be great to get different insights into the mindset of the time regarding who one was fighting for. Considering post-war Australasia actually didn't have much of an Anti-British sentiment like the modern day likes to believe, it would be a fascinating research dive. After all... Most of them are ancestrally British at the end of the day. There's always been and continues to be that connection.

@boodashaka2841 10 ай бұрын

Didn't expect to see something from my country on this channel. Good stuff

@appleseedgames6934 9 ай бұрын

It's cool learning about Hone Heke in Social Studies in school and then to hear about him acknowledged by the greater internet

@jasper5383 10 күн бұрын

absolutely amazing video, I knew about 1% of this, born, raised and educated in NZ. We did touch on it at school but nothing as in depth as this. appreciate your work mate thank you

@Theactualpope 10 ай бұрын

Spectacles u spectacular bastard; ty 4 the content as usual

@134343 10 ай бұрын

It is a good day when Spectacles uploads 😊

@comradepingu6394 10 ай бұрын

I’m so impressed by your editing skills! I wish I could learn to edit like that someday

@chaoticcar6231 9 ай бұрын

the New Zealand wars are such an interesting topic to learn about, I think the treaty of Waitangi was translated in like 1 night before the signing and the main point of conflict was that I think Sovereignty wasn't a word in Māori and something about "Complete Ownership" wasn't translated thoroughly. Correct if wrong but every mispronunciation hit me like a truck

@lulububs 5 ай бұрын

Don't forget the guy that was meant to write and translate the treaty got sick so his teenage son did it for him. Also, there was something like 182 different versions of the treaty because they manipulated people into signing them by offering land and other rights to different tribes so every tribe got a different version. Soory has been a long time since I studied nz history. I can't recall exact numbers

@scootergrant8683 4 ай бұрын

You're right about the difficulties in translating such concepts. That's arguably one of the largest factors.

@rad4924 9 ай бұрын

Weirdly enough, I'm related to Henry Williams on my father's side and to Hone Heke on my mother's side.

@jguth6 10 ай бұрын

So happy I’m here before this channel blows up!

@dylbilname7513 9 ай бұрын

As a kiwi it is always interesting to see a Fourniers opinion

@jezebel324 8 ай бұрын

this is polished, professional, and interesting. You have a fantastic channel. I know you'll blow up soon.

@noname88551 4 ай бұрын

@wildfire_ 9 ай бұрын

the waitangi treaty is perhaps one of the most well known events in NZ history, a perfect example of how peaceful doesn't always mean kind.

@TheChirozachtor 10 ай бұрын

This is actually decently accurate to what I've experienced and learned from being at most of those places, people and my family who used to live nearby to that region. Could do with some work on pronunciation but overall good work!

@noname88551 4 ай бұрын

@bullis1858 10 ай бұрын

This video is fine, but context is needed. This was a localised incident and it’s incorrect to call it a war between Europeans and Maori. It was a war between certain Iwi and the Europeans in that area. Later battles that the video maker mentions had a myriad of reasons and are distinct and mostly not linked to what happened in the north as discussed in this video.

@elLooto 10 ай бұрын

Nailed it. The brits werent dealing with one race, but dozens of local tribes (iwi) that existed is a state of warlordism before white man came.

@jimijamesjowitt 9 ай бұрын

Also it was the crown. The people were still people but some formed militias as the crown failed to protect them from tribal warriors. Those militias were all recorded and it was barely anyone.

@piedpiper1172 10 ай бұрын

17:25 “God fights on the side with the best artillery.” -European proverb ++ Big Guns Never Tire ++ -Imperial Guardsman’s Uplifting Primer

@skuzza405 9 ай бұрын

then why'd they lose?

@piedpiper1172 9 ай бұрын

@@skuzza405 The people with the best artillery won. That’s precisely what the man was saying.

@skuzza405 9 ай бұрын

@@piedpiper1172...except the british didn't have a single military victory during the whole war. that quote is referring to the reason he took up arms, not the reason for defeat. paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NENZC18460404.2.22?items_per_page=100&page=6

@kfcrazymicconturkey 9 ай бұрын

If we had equal ground same technology advancements, we would still roam freely today forevermore.

@YellowJacket23-f5l 13 күн бұрын

@@kfcrazymicconturkeyWhich technology, though? Artillery was hundreds of years in the making. Maori would have been absolutely wiped out by Bronze Age Europeans too. They didn’t even have metal…

@oozey_woozey_07 3 ай бұрын

as a Maori im embarrased we have foreigners teaching us what we should have been taught in school, from elders, or even strangers with banger stories of history. but instead we have outsiders teaching us what our government hides from us. Sir, Thank you Sir.

@Micfri300 2 ай бұрын

Had the Maori won they would have made new zealand become a third world African dispot.

@kml7121 9 ай бұрын

Butchered tf out of his name 0:08

@kml7121 9 ай бұрын

Makaytoo Warra-toe-tarra

@Coldddpalmer 4 ай бұрын

😂

@gharne3436 5 ай бұрын

The pronunciation on Ngapuhi is killing me😅😅😅😅😅

@colonelfustercluck486 4 ай бұрын

let us know how the counseling goes

@emilyadams1674 9 ай бұрын

I'm from NZ and I didn't know this!

@samuellatu3123 9 ай бұрын

Well it’s something depending on education, most of these stuff are old so if you went school here during the 90s then you would know about 80% of New Zealand history

@normpihere9646 5 ай бұрын

@@samuellatu3123 The problem is the colonial veiw was taught, not the maori perspective

@fuzzydunlop7928 2 ай бұрын

11:11 - I'm the most unpatriotic American you'll ever meet but I have to admit, my patriotism gland became swollen with pride at this part.

@Nobody.exe50 9 ай бұрын

Love your channel guys

@maheehossain5481 10 ай бұрын

Brilliant video, deserves more views. Massive respect to NZ as an Aussie, we are so much further behind in relations with our native population.

@User5411Valekona 9 ай бұрын

Great video thank you

@vtksolid9127 9 ай бұрын

Bro great documentary I’m kiwi and learned something new watching this thank you 🙏

@thebottlefiiper5092 9 ай бұрын

Never thought I would hear someone use Hone Heke as a Segway for a sponsor.

@DiegoGuerrero-zy5ne 10 ай бұрын

It’s consuming to think of land grabs as something only of colonial powers. Within New Zealand there were multiple tribes who fought each other and conquered each others land.

@laurencefraser 10 ай бұрын

And then there's the fun part where most of the scam land sales that caused great upset weren't actually the British Government screwing over the local Maori, they were some random european land developer and his Maori associate getting together to screw over the tribe in a get rich quick scheme exploiting the differences in understanding of land ownership, the locals (both Maori and European) pitching a fit over the result... and the British government officials having no idea how the hell to deal with the Maori model of land ownership when trying to resolve the matter sensibly (if not fairly) and so making ... questionable... decisions in an attempt to resolve things. Oh, and there's the fun of the group of Maori who decided to get in on this whole 'colonialism' game and charted a European ship to go off and conquer one of the nearby (as such things go) islands that Wasn't part of New Zealand, engaging in a little fun complete-genocide-of-the-locals of their own, even as the British (and later not-actually-the-British-as-such) government of New Zealand was generally pretty keen on Not actually engaging in genocide, for all it's other faults (for reference, I'm talking about Actual genocide here, not 'cultural' genocide, which is mostly used as a justification to NOT do things that would actually Prevent Actual Genocide in the sort of situations where things have devolved to the point where that's a legitimate concern).

@christianrameka9749 4 күн бұрын

@@laurencefraserstrange how you try to blame what the crown was up to on Māori in any way you can… weirdo

@liamspurling1570 10 ай бұрын

Wild this channel hasn’t blown up yet

@StarTheSillyCreature 11 күн бұрын

As someone from NZ, this is really interesting. Although the pronunciation is okay, I'd like to point out that ng is pronounced in a way that is hard to explain over text, but it's sort of as if you were saying a word with ing on the end without the i? And the word Māori is said more like Mowri kinda. I realise this might seem a bit pedantic and annoying, but I only hope to spread knowledge (even if i might be wrong) :D

@partypascall1467 9 күн бұрын

You taught me more about Hōne Heke in this video than I learnt in school, and I live in New Zealand. I think it is changing but man that's sad

@IC3XR 7 ай бұрын

Absolutely fantastic little documentary, New Zealand's formative years are more fascinating than I thought

@_Jitterbug 9 ай бұрын

As an ancestor of Sir Apirana Ngata - the most famous Maori politician and the man on our $50 note - i can proudly say our people have come a long way since our first engagements - both ethnicity's of tangata whenua. (people of the land) Sadly, there is still much to discuss and come to an agreement/arrangement on, however, i know one day soon the land of Aotearoa New Zealand will cede its ignorance/tall poppy syndrome and other such limitations and finally flourish fully into the land of fortune and grace it has always been.

@CloutDumpster 10 ай бұрын

Hey Harry you got the date wrong at 9:55 it's July 1944 not 1945, was so confused when the next date was January 1945 that I had to look it up. Excellent vid though

@CloutDumpster 10 ай бұрын

Also I had no idea that Hōne Heke flew the US flag. It's my new favourite fact about NZ history, funniest shit ever!

@mosswarne972 9 ай бұрын

Im from New Zealand and I didn't know this. I feel like we probably should of learnt this in school.

@lulububs 5 ай бұрын

I never would have thought greymouth high school was the best school in nz but it seems that way as we actually learnt all nz history in our elective history class. 😢

@jamesblackbourn9116 8 ай бұрын

You, sir, are the most brilliant American I've heard speak on this subject.

@Touhou-forever Ай бұрын

This video is more important than ever especially now

@kacperwoch4368 10 ай бұрын

The sad part is that, all things considered, Aotearoa was lucky. Lucky that the language, customs and name of this nation are still known across the world. Not many island nations and small native communities trampled by the colonisers can say the same.

@rebeccagibbs4128 10 ай бұрын

we don't consider the loss of our sovereignty, the genocide, mass incarceration and large scale disenfranchisement (including and not limited to the banning of our native language) "lucky", thanks.

@tux_duh 10 ай бұрын

@@rebeccagibbs4128 obviously not, as you shouldn't. However Notice the inherent luck in your cultures survival no matter how tainted. Many native nations of The Americas are not even recognized by the State, their language and cultures obliterated or forgotten. Sovereignty is unfortunately not given to those who deserve it in their own lands. And the Nations that remain are not respected or supported on a widespread means, still not even called "Native" but "Indian" based on Columbus' mistake believing he first was in India Most European-Americans genuinely believe and are partially taught Natives are extinct and we aren't even taught it's a bad thing or the inherent cruelty of our government

@qbi4614 10 ай бұрын

@@rebeccagibbs4128 Violin playing

@jacksonbarker7594 10 ай бұрын

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@@rebeccagibbs4128what’s the justification? Does leaving one survivor justify a massacre? No, you’re not using that word right and nobody here has tried to justify colonization or said you were lucky to be colonized. It seems like you could have an important perspective and knowledge to add if your responses had actual relevance to the rest of the conversation, even if that ends with saying you refuse to validate a discussion on comparative outcomes of colonization.

@rebeccagibbs4128 10 ай бұрын

lucky is not the word. Why not frame it, the colonisers were less blood thirsty at this stage and noble savage politics meant Maori avoided previously used tactics. Luck is a good thing and my peoples colonisation was NOT a good thing. How hard is it to understand that. Honestly ya'll think you're tough shit debating this here online. Come stand on my Marae and say that we were lucky at the hands of those who wanted to (and some still do) eradicate us and our culture. @@jacksonbarker7594

@harryflashman4542 10 ай бұрын

You should read about the musket wars which preceded the treaty for context. The treaty wasn't about colonization it was about ending a hellish culture of genocide and enslavement. NZ was known as the Hell-Hole of the Pacific at the time and it's a very accurate description. It was a lawless and extremely violent place, the British very definitely did not want it, they had the Indian mutiny to contend with.

@longiusaescius2537 10 ай бұрын

Huh

@longiusaescius2537 10 ай бұрын

@hyndscs nz Brits are mostly smug libs though no?

@skuzza405 9 ай бұрын

the musket wars themselves had little to do with the signing of te tiriti. the musket trade, however, was a factor. the rangatira of ngāpuhi were pushed to sign te tiriti as they feared that any single hapū that signed would had a significant advantage in trade with the British for muskets over the others who would not sign. take te ruki kawiti for instance, he was one of te tiriti's most staunch advocates, saying that signing te tiriti would lead to ngāpuhi being trodden on by the british - he would still sign te tiriti later though, saying that his people pushed him to sign as they didn't want to lose a possible edge in trade with the British. there's no british contemporary account that states that the musket wars were a factor in the writing of te tiriti nor he whakaputanga

@harryflashman4542 9 ай бұрын

@@skuzza405 musket trade in NZ. Muskets entered NZ in the bay of islands and gave far northern tribes a decisive military advantage. It took a long time before Southern tribes could gain sufficient muskets to pay back utu on northern tribes. Northern tribes then sought British protection under the treaty from revenge massacres.

@skuzza405 9 ай бұрын

@@harryflashman4542the musket wars had already mostly ended by the mid 1830s due to the proliferation of muskets meaning most iwi were on an equal footing, so i don't know where you're getting this information from. source?

@wiremucurtis3891 9 ай бұрын

I have mixed feelings about this video. I appreciate that you've made a video about Maori culture, but a lot of the history in this video is very incorrect, and some of the biggest events have just been missed out. Much has been mentioned by others, but one person who's been greatly under represented is Te Ruki Kawiti. He was Heke's uncle, and my own ancestor. He was the last to sign the Treaty and disapproved of it from the start. Much of the rebellion was joint between their people and the two of them. At the battle of Ohaeawai, Heke wasnt actually there at all. He'd heen badly injured after the invasion of his own pa and wasn't involved whatsoever. The battle was led by Te Ruki Kawiti, who had designed the fortifications, its often attributed as the first instance of trench warfare being used. Ruapekapeka, again was all Kawitis design, and led Kawiti with Heke in support now that he'd recovered. Neither of these forts were important at all. They were built solely to waste the resources and time of the British on empty, culturally irrelevant spots. Kawiti was the one who led the attack on Russel/Kororareka whilst Heke cut the flag down, and came to Heke's rescue when Tamati Waka Nene attacked my fighting in hand to hand combat throughout. The outcome of the war wasn't decisive, the Ngapuhi were under economic pressure for peace, but they didnt sucede to the British. The British had wasted an excessive level of resources trying to defeat the rebellion and did now have peace, but had captured very little in result (as all of those forts had been constructed with the sole purpose of wasting their time in the middle of nowhere). Kawiti did all of this whilst in his 70s. His son, my great great great great grandfather Maihi Paraone Kawiti would lead reconcilation with the British and eventually the restoration and reinstallment of the flagstaff there today, made and lifted by descendents of the men who fought in the rebellion as a show of good faith.

@jimijamesjowitt 9 ай бұрын

All that and no mention it was the Americans that taught them a lot of that. America being a rebellious nation seen an ally in the Maori.

@wiremucurtis3891 8 ай бұрын

@@jimijamesjowitt No offence but what the hell are you talking about? That's never even been a part of the story. Ever. I don't know if maybe you just want that to be a part of history but the Americans were never involved in this.

@Heavilymoderated 6 ай бұрын

Same deal today. Some of us see the precedents we set by giving up larger or smaller amounts of our freedom every day. Most people just think it’s no big deal.

@korakys 9 ай бұрын

Wow, this was a lot better than your previous short video on New Zealand. Thanks for helping bring this piece of NZ history to the wider world.

@ChineseKiwi 10 ай бұрын

Ngapuhi = the 'g' is silent so it is 'Na-pu-he'.

@joshdanao4987 10 ай бұрын

To add to that, this applies to any word that contains “ng” or “nga”, I’m Filipino but raised in NZ, so naturally did not have any issues pronouncing most Māori words. I believe this linguistic characteristic is universal in almost every austronesian language

@2255223388 10 ай бұрын

No, it's not silent at all. This guy just added a syllable.

@RAGINGTomato10 10 ай бұрын

@@2255223388 I mean all of his pronunciations are pretty off but yeah, it's not silent and it's not as pronounced. It's more just sayingthe "ng" in "singing" with a little less emphasis on the g and more on the n. Definitely takes practice, props to Spectacles for trying.

@S3lkie-Gutz 10 ай бұрын

The nga or ŋa sound aka voiced velar nasal is silent in inuktitut and other inuit-yupik-unganan family languages too, I really don't have any trouble with te reo Maōri despite it and inuktitut being vastly different from each other

@laurencefraser 10 ай бұрын

@@S3lkie-Gutz Pretty sure it's the same sound as the NG in English 'thing', no? English just... doesn't allow that sound in the onset of a syllable, so English speakers struggle with it when it shows up there in other languages.

@marshall5139 5 ай бұрын

I'm from Kerikeri and didn't even know much about this, thank you.

@walterzamalis4846 10 ай бұрын

Beautifully made video as always, but how the _whuck_ did you get the _wh_ sound wrong?

@elLooto 10 ай бұрын

because 'wh' as 'f' is a Tainui thing.

@walterzamalis4846 9 ай бұрын

@@elLootoKao? Ko te whakaahuatia i te reo Māori katoa o "wh" rite ki te "f" i te reo Pākehā, hāunga te reo-ā-iwi ki Taranaki (ki korā, ka kōrero rātou "w", ehara i te "f"; ka turuki rātou ō rātou ngā "h"). Ka mea rea ka mōhiotia whanautia tērā, nē?

@elLooto 9 ай бұрын

@@walterzamalis4846 In very little maori is wh traditionally pronounced f. You need to look into the history of the written language, which was created by a european (like the word Aotearoa, itself), who was based in the central north island. Its not normal in the south island either. When creating a written language you dont create phonetic contradictions; the guy had "f," therefore wh is not pronounced "f," especially when youve gone to the trouble to separate 'na' from 'nga.' which is way less of a phonetic difference. I find it funny when older Maori tell me they cant understand their kids accent, because they learned it in school instead of on the marae ;) Te Reo is the Tainui dialect, for the same reason the Kingi is Tainui. Looking forward to the regatta at Turangawaewae. Will you be there?

@BettiePagan 9 ай бұрын

@@walterzamalis4846I have to give mad credit to the (Translated by Google) because this is the most accurate I’ve seen it translate any language to Engrish 😂 if only they had Google translate at Waitangi ay hahah

@scootergrant8683 4 ай бұрын

@@walterzamalis4846 Not at all, Walter. In the South Island's historical Kai Tahu dialects, wh is often pronounced as a w. After all, there's a reason lake Wakatipu has two written forms.

@all3ykat79 9 ай бұрын

Brilliant narrative of the events. Those which I did not know of.

@felman87 10 ай бұрын

Congrats on the 100k subs!

@alexwright498 9 ай бұрын

Man this would do well as a Hollywood movie about Hone Heke

@Religion0 6 ай бұрын

I wonder why Maori seems relatively integrated into New Zealand culture. I mean, even white people regularly use Maori words and phrases and support changing the name back to Aotearoa. Edit: that's not to say the Maori haven't been subject to much mistreatment and prejudice and suffered many indignities, but compared to other colonies where no more than a few loan words and nouns have made it into the language, "kia ora" being a common greeting is remarkable.

@pht9317 5 ай бұрын

No one whos not Maori supports changing the name to Aotearoa. New Zealand is what separated the tribal bronze age society from modern civilisation.

@noname88551 4 ай бұрын

@christianrameka9749 4 күн бұрын

Because the New Zealand culture is Māori

@williamsullivan3967 10 ай бұрын

I (american) lived in New Zealand for a year and a half and I regret not seeing more of it while I was there. I was fortunate enough to drive from Queenstown to Milford Sound on a rare clear day, and it’s the most breathtaking scenery I have ever seen with my own eyes. No wonder the Māori wanted to keep their lands.

@spectacles-dm 10 ай бұрын

lucky you - I just went in a downpour. couldn't see a damn thing! But you're totally right.

@harryflashman4542 10 ай бұрын

I've been twice, in sunshine and in a downpour. I thought it was more spectacular with the rain, all the waterfalls coming off the cliffs into the sea.

@SOREI 9 ай бұрын

challenge for my fellow kiwis: take a shot everytime this dude mispronounces the word māori

@Golden284-fan Ай бұрын

Its always fucking taxes

@JohnnytheBlue 10 ай бұрын

Holy cow. I felt like applauding after the intro. Was this an original score from Harry? It sounded amazing.

@spectacles-dm 10 ай бұрын

Yes, Harry did the music on the intro! So good. Thanks, Johnny!!

@lelandfitz1762 6 ай бұрын

Why no info on the last war for souverignty? How many died each side, where did it take place and stuff?

@zugiii1086 6 ай бұрын

My Auto- Translation of the title: "How New Zealand made a quadruple murder"

@engreem9281 9 ай бұрын

That comment i left here was by accident. I was watching a short on my home page, when i wrote the comment it was on the short but somehow transferred to this video

@walnzell9328 5 ай бұрын

"The British instituted import taxes on many key commodities." Hey wait I've seen this one before.

@hrthrhs 6 ай бұрын

@10:46 I wonder why the Maori took the flag down (apparently parading the US flag)? It seemed an agreement had been made.

@luuk9957 9 ай бұрын

Video idea: the killing of Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn in 2002. The Dutch JFK mystery

@ElFlaccoBlanco 8 ай бұрын

To my shame, this is the most I have ever learned about the colonization of the Maori lands. To my joy- and your credit, Sir Spectacles, I have finally learned an introduction to Māori civilization at the time of British arrival. This doc was an awesome work. I look forward to watching the rest of what you have created.

@danpatterson8009 10 ай бұрын

At 6:35 "It was the first execution in the history of New Zealand." Please clarify- first execution by British authority in NZ? No one ever killed by any authority in the islands before that?

@stephenkelly207 10 ай бұрын

I think the distinction they were making is that it was the first execution as exercise of British jurisprudence rather than the first time it was used as punishment in accordance with local custom (which I’m ignorant of), hence the event’s significance in relation to the sovereignty dispute.

@elLooto 10 ай бұрын

@@stephenkelly207 Before the brittish, the two islands, which had no name, was in a political state known as 'warlordism' They definitely executed people as a punishment. In at least one case by chasing the offenders from [modern day] Cambridge to New Plymouth. Over a sovereignty dispute. Its a funny little piece of local history at Taupiri.

@JdeeGeekyGao 9 ай бұрын

I went to school with a guy who was named after Hone. I was then informed by my mate on the cutting of the flagpole. I didn't know about the murder beforehand though. Just the flag and following war. Mad respect for Hone he's always been one of my favs in Aotearoa history. I love that you mentioned the seats in parliament assigned for Maori representation. I switched to the Maori electoral roll last year, trying to get my lil bro to switch as well since our mother's side is Maori.

@directoryerror6653 9 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for the effort you put into pronunciation of Māori words!!! Ka pai!!! Clearly a bit of mahi goes into your work, ka kite. So many videos about my country that I stop watching in seconds because if they haven’t heard someone say Māori properly then how shallow was their research?

@DAN-ci2cy 10 ай бұрын

what software do u use for the 3d animations?

@spectacles-dm 10 ай бұрын

blender

@zaynevanday142 10 ай бұрын

In reality there were two treaties signed the English one and one that was translated into Maori by an Anglican priest and the priest gave the Maori one and altogether different translation

@calebhart5023 10 ай бұрын

They deny the basic fact they lied… but the truth is the truth

@meganmills5412 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the vid school never did a good job at explaining this to me Im pakeha and unfortunately theres alot i still dont about our history i know things happened but not how

@jackmcgrath9570 14 күн бұрын

Will anyone ever learn how to say Māori correctly

@jahoiichbruuchenname6924 10 ай бұрын

This narrator has a pritty good flow hahha

@DrexYiii 10 ай бұрын

An odd note: the subtitles use alternate language to the audio, same in meaning but different in words. How come this is so?

@thehangmansdaughter1120 9 ай бұрын

It's obvious from this video you gave the Maori language it a good go, I mean the pronunciation was terrible, but your effort was clear. Maybe next time get a Kiwi to go over the words with you first? I would be happy to do it.

@Fiery.anxiety 9 ай бұрын

You’re so kind in your criticism. I agree with you, although I shamefully admit I was going to be less kind about it.

@jameslong9921 8 ай бұрын

By the time Britain drafted the Treaty of Waitangi they were already old hands in the business of colonization and therefore the idea that any discrepancies in the document were simply mistranslations is quite frankly rather difficult to swallow the British being masters of the diplomatic double-cross would never have let the acquisition of important new territories slip from their grasp, the fact that their version favors the British immeasurably should really tell us most of what we need to know in regards to the duplicity practiced by white settlers all over the world in this period.

@normpihere9646 5 ай бұрын

The problem that the British had and still have today is that King William signed He Whakaputanga that was gazetted and proclaims maori their own sovereign people. The Treaty is but an addendum to this document which the governments doesnt like because it is legally relevant, and both clear and concise in its meaning as opposed to the Treaty which is ambiguous and allows debate as to its meaning, when in all reality it means nothing because in law where there is doubt as to its meaning, refer to the previous document.....He Whakaputanga

@scootergrant8683 4 ай бұрын

I'm not so convinced. Talking to scholars on the ground in N.Z, many of whom being Maori, there is a clear consensus that mistranslation without malicious intentions is backed up as a reason. Translation of the concept of 'sovereignty' is one such famous example in academic circles. Effective translation between peoples of previously unknown cultures requires a very comprehensive understanding of said cultures. The British may have had plenty of experience in translation by your account, but if there are shortcomings in the depth of inter-cultural understandings, therein lies potential for issues in future dialogue. This is especially noteworthy considering how Maori culture itself differed in many ways just in terms of reading body language. One great example being a fight between peaceful sailors of each side encountering each-other's light-craft for the first time while rowing the coast. Translation into any language brings a serious level of complexity.

@normpihere9646 4 ай бұрын

@@scootergrant8683 These so called scholars you have talked too including maori ones, are simpley offering no more than their opinions. These opinions have no relevance or substance in law as determined by the international law courts, which alot of people hang onto to deny maori their legal rights.....why? If you want too come back and ask i will tell you why.

@scootergrant8683 4 ай бұрын

@@normpihere9646 I am merely talking about those I came across in a 200 level legal course. I don't see what the rest has to do with tea in China as my comment was talking about treaty translational inconsistency. Not contemporary application of case law. So I do implore you to at least re-read what I and James had to say

@normpihere9646 4 ай бұрын

@@scootergrant8683 I have, hence my reply to you. You specifically mentioned the Treaty of Waitangi as the inference (im being nice) you have put forward is that as the ""British" were old hands in the business of colonization, how could they get it so wrong against a stone age culture like the maori, therefore the colonizers version must be correct......Lets put this to bed, the international law courts have already ruled on your opinion and that of others , which doesnt correlate with your version. Again, we either honour the law or we say, ""stuff it"", lets forget about it, and go back to raping and pillaging.......what say you scooter boy?

@Protagonix 10 ай бұрын

Great video

@TrumpISprez2024 9 ай бұрын

The glasses at the intro looks like the Vodafone Logo lol

@aaronfitton9076 10 ай бұрын

Great video it’s interesting to see our history told by someone from outside the country, it’s unfortunate that the history of the New Zealand wars could be expanded on but you would need 3-4 hours to tell that story but thank you for telling the story anyway I very much appreciate you taking the time to respectfully try and explain what made us to the rest of the world

@snipergirl21 10 ай бұрын

Hi, I just stumbled across this video in my Recommendations. You say it was a "quadruple" murder, but Wikipedia says that 5 people were killed.

@mrt2this607 10 ай бұрын

Given up their rights in order to have "security". Hmmm, sounds like something a founder of America had said. Something like - those who give up their essential freedoms for a little temporary security deserve neither.

@elLooto 10 ай бұрын

During lockdowns the kiwis gave up the right to a fair trial. Everyone went "yay!"

@cam1149 4 ай бұрын

According to Sir James Bellich, an important NZ historian, Maori came, "within an ace" of winning the wars of the 1860s, Maori's last chance to retain co governance was probably 1868 not 1845. Also Maori didn't start the war in 1860 to protect their sovereignty, the British attacked them in Taranaki to take all their land and Maori acted in self defence. The British were always going to try to take all the Maori land with or without Maketu. Lastly, the reason Maori nearly won the land wars was due to superior tactics i.e entrenched fortifications. It doesn't matter how much better your muskets are or if you have the artillery, storming an entrenched position is suicide. So, the British didnt win because of industrialisation, but because they had a larger army, and a full time army; Maori soldiers had to return home after several weeks to work the fields.