How France Accelerates Production of CAESAR Howitzers to Strengthen Ukrainian Artillery Capabilities

[@tonyhawk94]

This shell problem is crucial for us europeans...South Korea provided more than all of US combined in 3 months. We can't accept that.

[@rolandxor179]

All critical weapon production should be nationalized and not private. There is no profit to be made in maintaining expensive spare production capacities that you simply don't need unless there is suddenly a large war. The delays and lack of speed is due to private companies wanting long term contracts to be sure that any investments they make have a long term return. They want efficiency and cost reductions and maximum profit. But war can happen or it can never happen but you still need the production capacity. People should be paid and trained to quickly switch from making cars and toasters to making 155mm artillery shells and tanks.

[@zatodespentes]

Korea is at war since 70 years. They have supply and stock. But I do agree wth you as we, europeans must improve our productions, Wich is a good thing for our industries

[@philv3941]

We work on it, the euro production was nanometric, so we have to hire people, teach them how-to , scale up the factories, even for the powder. It's a race. In france we already multiplied the prod. By two fold, i know It's not enough

[@fraterleonatus5864]

@@rolandxor179 This could be a solution... a group of "reserve" workers, employed in civilian industry, but trained to switch to war production if necessary.

[@clio2rsminicup]

+1! We can"t accept that! Our fraternal, democratic European Union is a gigantic economic power. To defend our interests and be our sole master, it's time for us to really unite to become the gigantic geopolitical and therefore military power that we should also be!

[@clio2rsminicup]

Hi. The quality and power of French artillery doesn't date from the current CAESAR but is a very, very old story through the ages. Everything really started a very long time ago ... We must not forget that it was, among other things, the quality and power of French artillery which allowed it to win the last major battles and ultimately the war between the two most powerful armies in Europe at the time, which was the long Hundred Years' War vs the UK at the end of the Middle Ages. Subsequently as notable events, the artillery of the French army had a very important role during the French Revolutionary Wars or as a reminder France held alone for more than 25 years between 1789 and 1815 vs all Europe of autocratic kings and emperors of the Ancien Regime (including already the Russians...) allied vs France and financed by the UK to destroy all the achievements of the Revolution and the Europe of Peoples free of their destiny that France represented and which put in danger the survival of their old (unjust) monarchist privileges. And of course the WW1 where many wrongly fantasize about the biggest German cannons over-publicized by the dominant Anglo-Saxon propaganda nowadays, while France also had very big ones cannons and it also had smaller ones but much more effective than those of the Germans at the end for the victory of the allies in 1917 and 1918. QED

[@leod-sigefast]

What the frick are you rambling on about?!

[@revertnicolas5977]

Shut up. Leo@@leod-sigefast

[@rickross5421]

@@leod-sigefast Seems like he is writing an essay on the importance of french artillery through the ages

[@mortenlund1418]

The 6 x 6 is a great rational design. Quite simple, cost effective and hits just as hard as more complex artillery systems. Its simplicity make it last. The price makes it numerous.

[@anaconda6147]

Viva France!

[@glenn6327]

🥰🥰

[@alainlaffargue1758]

The new Caesar will have a 62 calibre gun (1.55 m more long).

[@drefhill]

Vu que tu sais pas écrire anglais tu ferais mieux d'écrire en français et les gens utiliseront le traducteur

[@avb4805]

With IA and the future shell ’’KATANA’’ of 80km.

[@mortenlund1418]

I cant find any evidence for this. Are you sure?

[@alainlaffargue1758]

@@mortenlund1418 Yes I am !

[@mortenlund1418]

@@alainlaffargue1758 Great! I really like the 6x6 artillery! But I asked Bing. And Bing says that it will retain its 52 calibre gun! Maybe the next next generation will get a 62 calibre gun. So far only naval ships has this size.

[@Blair338RUM]

Vive La France 🇫🇷 🇫🇷

[@cjlmoni]

C'est surtout la qualité et l'efficacité qui priment. Si vous avez 1 obus sur 5 qui touche au but vous devez produire 5 fois plus que celui qui fait mouche à tout les coups avec 5 fois plus de canon.

[@drefhill]

La Russie prouve que c'est la quantité qui gagne.

[@cjlmoni]

@@drefhill Sur. Elle, comme par le passé, ne compte pas ses morts. C'est pour cela qu'elle verrouille ou manipule les informations.

[@94R2Rue]

​@@drefhillelle prouve rien du tout

[@webcrawler9782]

how are countries like France, Germany, UK, Spain, Italy and all the other EU countries not capable of producing more 155mm shells? This is ridiculous!

[@quentinp45]

nearly a century of peace on european field bro

[@embreis2257]

their armies didn't buy that much ammunition for decades. the production facilities were scaled down. it takes time and confidence in getting enough orders to build them up again

[@psour33]

In France this is because ecologists went against chemistry powder industry, they don't want to produce the shells in France because of polution.

[@ulikemyname6744]

@@quentinp45 Europe's industrial advantage is staggering! In 1 year these nations would be building millions upon millions of shells if needed. The problem is that their doctrines does not require such production.

[@gandigooglegandigoogle7202]

the construction of the Caesar is secret defense, it takes months just to produce the cannon itself, it is haute couture in terms of armament. This technology is owned by the French and only those have the production lines for this weapon.

[@clio2rsminicup]

Our fraternal and peace democratic European Union is a gigantic economic power. To defend our interests and be our sole master, it's time for us to really unite to become the gigantic geopolitical and therefore military power that we should also be!

[@EverlastGX]

Unfortunately, Europe only learns the hard way, when it's too late or almost.

[@rolandbihot7944]

Va voir blak roc soros a davos

[@ourvaluesarewhoweareinadem4093]

LOL.

[@SylvesterStaline.]

When you know khow little money French have in comparaison to US particulary , but even others countries, their value per dollars or euros if you know what i mean is probably the best in the world USA budget is 14 more important. And French still have everything, nuclear power, jets, submarines, good soldiers, strategies... Even the food for soldiers is tenfold better. Imagine with the same budget !

[@Fabio-om4kb]

Une étoile de la mort mon pote 😆

[@bikesfrench8524]

La pluie d acier du caesar avec ces obus bonus ces un carnage côté russe

[@jme104]

C'est un ...

[@hourbee5535]

This is the best artillery system to meet Ukraine requirements and manufacturing supply chain constraints

[@alexnderrrthewoke4479]

Sure, while russia brings koalitsya to the fray and there is no artillery that can challenge koalitsya. This video is propaganda

[@TheBooban]

I saw many complaints about western gun systems. They wear out and lose accuracy quickly with the amount of firings they are doing in Ukraine. And Caesar specifically didn’t work well in the cold.

[@hermes6910]

@@TheBooban "And Caesar specifically didn’t work well in the cold." This is probably why Denmark chose the CAESAR, as it is a very hot country. "They wear out and lose accuracy quickly " The 52 calibre guns (Pzh2000/CAESAR...) are more "fragile" than the 45s, it's true, but they are more accurate and have a longer range than their Russian counterparts.

[@TheBooban]

@@hermes6910 yes, for cold countries Denmark is a hot country. We’re you trying to be sarcastic? If you think Denmark is a cold country, you are pathetically mistaken.

[@mathieuhernandez1381]

@@TheBooban Do you have any source for your claim ? That's the first time I hear that.

[@gandigooglegandigoogle7202]

This Caesar is just incredible.

[@Miamcoline]

Those are not impressive figures by any measure considering the scale of the security threat we are facing. Its like seeing your friend attacked by a lion and taking a leisurely walk to the nearest village to get a sharpened stick, and then quickening your pace slightly when you realise how long it is taking you. Also North Korea delivers 152mm to Russia. Not 155mm.

[@drefhill]

you think 3mm will make a difference when it drop on your car ?

[@avb4805]

Impressive weapon 🥸👍

[@kristouner]

like louis XIV would have said ; "Ultima ratio regum"

[@Fetajogger123]

the rounds from north korea is 152mm and not 155mm

[@ronniefarnsworth6465]

Don't be a Nitpicking "Nerd", we knew what he meant !!! 🙄 🧐

[@drefhill]

4:50 what does 1 million pounds mean ? is it like 1 million € or 0,5 millions kilos ? Doesn't make much sense.

[@Staremperor]

It was supposed to be 1 million shells. He misspoke

[@airfight10]

155..shells lagged in ukraine ,producktion is low in eu or usa ! this is main problem!

[@ukrainemylove6184]

👍👍👍🇺🇦💙💛🇪🇺

[@Jeanbond2990]

On lit souvent dans les commentaires, des manifestations de patriotisme concernant les armes. C'est ridicule car l'ingénierie en matière d'armes comme dans tout les domaines, n'est pas l'apanage d'un peuple. Toute innovation est le résultat d'un travail collectif et une idée aussi géniale soit elle est bien souvent le résultat d'un long mûrissement d'informations collectées tout au long d'une vie, qui peuvent provenir de personnes d'autres horizons. Van Brown a aidé les Américains à produire les premières fusées, openheimer pour la bombe atomique. Ces hommes étaient ils des génies parce qu'ils étaient allemands ? Non ils étaient des génies parce qu'ils étaient des génies. Chez mbda, chez nexter, il y a sûrement des ingénieurs venus de différents endroits dans le monde. Aujourd'hui le césar est une machine très performante mais demain un libanais ou un hongrois que sais-je inventera le petit truc qui permettra a d'autres de développer une arme qui surpassera les Césars. L'ingéniosité n'a pas de patrie.

[@Richard-pe4cx]

, is there repair facilities near to ukraine borders to repair and maintain these complex systems just a thought

[@lordtemplar9274]

yes KDNS (KMW+Nexter) are setting up a factory in Ukraine for maintenance and production of spare parts and munitions

[@LOLOVAL-os3pq]

even 15 months to build 72 CAESARs, that's 90 years for 72 CAESARs, you really don't know anything!!

[@AbdulgamidShruakinov]

Did he really mean it takes France 16 Months to produce a single unit? And that is with the reduction in place? WTF, that seems long.

[@zefyrisd69]

they are obviously producing way more than one at a time. So yes, from start to finish the production is long; and that's why it took so long before the effects of the efforts to increase the production took effect; from January 2024 onwards they will be finishing 8 Caesar per months. This means that they actually started the effort leading to that change mid 2022.

[@markstewart2837]

This is not a very serious state of affairs from 30 to 15 months...thats a joke...this should be down to 3 months & the quantity should be in the hundreds...this is Ukraine fighting for Europe & we are obviously not taking this seriously. sounds like a nice bit of kit but so is the South African G6 etc...one key critical element is the manufacture of shells capability needs to be in the millions...so nice "little" start but really its time to wake up!!!

[@hyperpedro2868]

You should apply for a job in defense industry. They definitely need you and your amazing skills to make those weapons in 3 months.

[@lordtemplar9274]

FYI the barrel takes a long time to manufacture, it's a long and complex process with many time consuming steps. no way it can be done in 3 months. You ever seen how long it takes to make japanese Katana sword? these howitzer barrels are much more complex, precise and need to withstand lots of pressure and temperature. You can increase total yearly production numbers by adding new production lines which are costly and won't help reduce the length of time by a significant amount of time from start to finish. France is not at war defending an invasion and doesnt need that many production lines currently and export market does not warrant that type of demand, except Ukraine but they can't pay for it. no point spending vasts amount of capital to increase number of production lines if it is to shut them down in a couple years later. France has enough debt on its plate and is already helping Ukraine as much as it can afford to. France is one of the biggest contributors to aid Ukraine in Europe both militarily and financially. It's not like other countries are eager to give money to France to increase Caesar production. No country is going to go bankrupt to save or finance another. C'est la vie.

[@ludovic7439]

Quality....

[@LOLOVAL-os3pq]

30 months to build a CAESAR ?????? where did you get this completely mind-boggling figure from ??????? what you are saying is totally ridiculous, 12 to 13 CAESARs are built per year ??? and there, production has been multiplied by 2 or even by 3 for export sales and especially the 72 promised to be delivered to Ukraine! even Dassault builds 12 to 13 Rafale per year, (and they have multiplied production for exports and replenished France's stocks and a Rafale is 1 million times more complicated than this CAESAR!

[@robertharneis9506]

Rubber tyres too vulnerable.

[@hankjones3527]

Vulnerable to what? If you mean small arms then by the time the enemy gets that close to one you've got far bigger problems than a popped tyre. If you mean counter artillery, or missiles, bombs etc then the system has lots of other variabilitys not just tyres.

[@lordtemplar9274]

they are run flat tyres so not a problem

[@gandigooglegandigoogle7202]

what a stupid comment....you know nothing about artillery !!! These tires are precisely quality because they are self-deforming and adapt to the terrain. In Ukraine the German artillery system is unable to move on certain terrain due to its 55 tons, the Caesar weighs 18 tons and can go everywhere ! Moreover, vulnerable to what? when the Russian radar finally detected the start of the shots and calculated the location, Caesar had already left!...you need to know before of talking shit....loool you made us laugh with your comment! this gun is so vulnerable that 7 new countries have ordered it from France.

[@mryouben]

Tc

[@sorbierdominique1229]

🤣🤣😂🤣🤣🤣

[@kanal756]

Altuğ 12 zirli lastik tekerlekli 10.10 arac in üzerine f9 f7 zirli 155.52 kalibre obus topu entegre ettim etkil mevzil 80km azmi mevzil 180km zirli kulesi mühimmat bölümü entegre ettim 30mm 3namlulu makinali topu entegre ettim 1000kw lazer topentege ettim insansı robot asker kullanacak

[@Jamirio]

AI Robotta FLİR cam veya yapay uydu vizyon sistemi yoksa etkisiz olur...optik yapımı çözersen ardından lazer teknolojisini elde edersin. Robotik alanında optik ve sensör cihazlar çok önemlidir bu sektörlerde en önde olan Ülkeler'in birisi Japonya diğeri Almanya

[@nyttag7830]

Denmark has provided 3 times more military aid than France Italy Spain combined.

[@spaencerable]

source

[@thomasm7798]

Between scalp, VA, AMX10RC, 18 Caesar and 72 on road... Not sure of your saying...

[@jeromeportier4914]

@@thomasm7798 Plus SAMP/T, Crotale, Akeron MP…

[@christophebaud3108]

And what Denmark send ? What is the army industry in Denmark ? Nuclear submarines ? Tanks ? Fighters ? Artillery systems ? You sent nothing and the 8 old F16s you promised will take 4 years to come...

[@thomasm7798]

@@christophebaud3108 your argument come after the fight...

[@baladinbaladin2549]

Z LA roussie oubliera jamais ce que la france leurs a fait

[@remistiegler5302]

Et encore, les Ukrainiens n'ont pas reçu les Mirage 2000 😊

[@filippopotame3579]

Tant mieux, qu'ils retienent la leçon et dégagent d'Ukraine.

[@athrunzala6770]

C'est la Russie qui a lancé les hostilités contre la France donc c'est un juste retour

[@aaxa101]

So it used to take 30 months to produce one unit and Ukr got 49. So this batch of 49 started the fabrication 122 years ago, this is around the year 1900. If there is other Cesars around we'll easily go to the middle ages.

[@eugspit]

It took 30 month from start to finish, but they produced multiple caesars in the same time

[@hankjones3527]

Your post is so stupid even you can work out what's wrong with it.

[@aaxa101]

That's my point, but this information is not given. On the other hand 30m to finish for a single unit is also bullshit. @@eugspit

[@p4olo537]

Also French army gave to Ukraine CAESAR they already had and then ordered new ones to replace them.

[@كرار-ك8ز5ح]

Scrap 😂😂50-

[@Jay12321Jay]

Okay, so the cheapest Caesar with almsost no protection cost 5 million USD while the Swedish Archer with: - Much more protection - 1 min shoot and scoot vs Ceasar 3 min - Crew never needs to exit vehicle costs only 4.5 million USD. Why would anyone in their right mind purchase Ceasar?

[@swatbaker]

Because everything you said is a lie. And because u know, Swedish should just stay in the domain of civilians furnitures.

[@lamsior]

Because what's on paper is not on terrain, CAESAR has been combat proven, and is recognized by ukrainians to be the best system they are using..

[@Jay12321Jay]

@@lamsiorYes "whats on paper is not on terrain", however it has proved itself there aswell. And no, the Ukrainans have not been saying that they prefer the Ceasar, quite the contrary. What have been said is that Ceasar is also a quite good system, but inferior to the Archer in every metric. It's still better than e.g. M109A6, and what Ukraine needs now is just MORE of everything and therefore Ceasar will be the bulk becase there are more of them and the production capabilities are just better. But again, Archer have outperformed Ceasar in Ukraine in every metric. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mmnbaXyKrMlnjMk

[@swatbaker]

@@lamsior Archer is not combat proven, and is victim of several maintenance problem. Also, CAESAR has been explicitly elected best artillery system of NATO around 3 years ago, by the chief of NATO (an American). CAESAR can also be maintained by US pieces, so US logistic. Finally, the use of KALIBUR and KATANA rounds ammunition make it the current most accurate, long range artillery system in the world, in front of the Archer. Here are all ur valuable reasons. Oh yeah, and Finally, the Ukrainians saying they aren't happy with the CAESAR was a political choice of Zelinski to such the dick of the Americans so they can send more M105 Howitzers. Every reasons given by the Ukrainians about the CAESAR in this report are exactly how to NOT use the CAESAR.

[@BruneSixtine]

The Caesar is more rustic, mobile, faster, cheaper and easier to deploy and maintain. To be able to compare, the Archer would have to be tested in a war zone first, because between what's written on paper and reality there's sometimes a huge gap, there's a possibility the Archer isn't even close to be as efficient and reliable as the Caesar is. When the Archer will have served in operation theaters as extreme and different as Mali, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine, then we could compare. But is the Archer even transportable to such places ? Most likely not by air anyway. It's very common that a vehicle can't bear the heat and sand of the desert, or the water and mud of swamp areas. The Archer is certainly a very good artillery system, but it seems to be way too heavy, too painful to deploy and maintain. While on the other hand the Caesar's artillery system is mounted on a conventional truck, it's so easy to repair, spare parts are available on every roads, for most likely a very similar firepower. Now we can take a look at the orders, Caesar has much more success than Archer and as seen in the video Nexter hires to produce more.

[@kris8975]

De france shit .ahs krab Polish very very gut.

[@HayMaker-tv2dm]

Oh i can see their revamp prodution is equal of nothing they should be revamping for more then 2 years, but how Ukraine does with all this CEASER thats alot of weapons they cannot complain or they are just abandon alot of material like the brand new CV90 that the russian defense minister was inspecting not even a shot they shoot and the crew bail out

[@olivierpuyou3621]

But yes, my guy, the Ukrainians are cowards, in fact that's why the 2nd army in the world has been struggling for two years... Or that means that the Russian army is just a big joke.

[@pedrorequio5515]

Equipment gets destroyed in a war. I know shocking!!

[@gregutdmglaucos3757]

Ukraine loses 6 out of 50 Caesars and you laugh, on the other hand the loss of 663 Russian self-propelled guns you are silent.

[@texaspapa9445]

Based on the French Armies past combat record, I am assuming the Caesar transmission is built to go fast in reverse only.

[@red-one5923]

ah ah. France is number one on that list of record!

[@chemcom276]

Did you used French equipments in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia…?

[@chemcom276]

@@red-one5923Sorry, but i think you are the best at this job now, you were so efficients and fast when you run away from Kabul, i was impressed.

[@red-one5923]

@@chemcom276 dear fool you think history can be resume just talking about afgan campaign ? Learn dear fool!

[@tonyhawk94]

Considering the fact that you got ridiculed by Afghan people in tongues i'd shut up if I were you.

[@matthiaswagner5637]

All nice and stuff, but France doesn´t do anything for Ukraine. You just presented their upcoming delivery but failed to mention, that France is not willing to pay these 600 million Euros for the howitzers with tax money. Instead, it is still looking for other sponsors to start production. France itself has donated about 700 million Euro in equipment since the beginning of the war, which is almost nothing, almost as little as the UK, which is at about 1 billion only. Former German chancellor Helmut Kohl once said: "If something needs to be paid in Europe, Great Britain and France usually tend to look out for Germany". This is again the case now, since Germany is the second biggest donator amongst all Western nations with about 18 billion in military aid, massively increasing production for ammunition and equipment on all levels - while France and the UK are in deep sleep. Both countries do not fail to utter strong words in world politics but don´t do absolutely anything to change the course of things in Ukraine.

[@bzee-wr4vq]

Usual crap about the UK being better, blah blah blah. Get on with your own shit Brexit and all...Stop telling us you are better at everything...you are a F joke of a country now.

[@athrunzala6770]

Arrête de dire des bêtises .. tu ne peux pas chiffré les donations de la France pour l'Ukraine vue que l'on ne communique que très peu sur ce que l'on envoie au front ... Comme le nombre de scalp / stormshadow , les missiles pour mamba ou encore le nombre d'obus et la maintenance fourni pour le matériel envoyé par la France ... Sans parler de la formation militaire des Ukrainien et leurs pilotes d'avion ....

[@matthiaswagner5637]

@@athrunzala6770 Yes, my friend and all these weapons were worth less than 600 million. This means, that France has given less than Estland or Lettland, who are each at 1,2 billion. and don´t mention the training, because other nations like Germany or Baltic states are doing a lot more than France in this regard as well. And by the way: Most of the Scalps were donated by the UK, not by France. A country, that is not willing to donate some millions for Caesar simply does not want to admit, that it doesn´t want to see Ukraine winning.

[@matthiaswagner5637]

Furthermore, Finland is the only country within the EU that makes a secret of the scale of deliveries. France does not, it has announced all donations without exceptions. And this is 600 million, nothing more or less.

[@athrunzala6770]

@@matthiaswagner5637 ok ça m'a pris littéralement 2 minutes sur Google ... Donc en effet on peut retrouver un rapport du ministère des armées française qui chiffre a auteur de 640M d'euro l'aide a l'Ukraine ... Pour la seule année 2022 . Donc va sur Google tu verra le rapport de novembre 2023 et l'aide a l'Ukraine est de 3.2milliards d'euro donc bon

[@bgshin2879]

hmmm…. Is this video supposed to be a sarcastic piece? 1. Wheeled vehicle does not stand chance in modern warfare. Finland, Norway, Poland, Romania, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania who is bordering Russia or is likely to border Russia is all equipping themselves with tracked vehicle. The idea of light weight does not work in all out war scenarios. If you are fighting an insurgents, yes but not in an all out war. 2. Caesar price appears to be different from other sources. The French acquisition and Danish acquisition said to have costed a lot more than $5-6m claimed here. 3. Some people mention Danish acquisition, Danish signed Israeli system. For this acquisition, the Defence Minister had been forced to resign and full on anti-corruption investigation is underway. 4. Caesar is not a bad system but its concept is obsolete by decades. Semi auto loading by unprotected crew is a no go under current drone age. Shoot and scoot sounds great but with limited mobility (vs tracked vehicle) and crew being exposed during firing does not stand well against loitering drones. In particular, weak armour and exposed tires make it particularly vulnerable. The tires may be puncture resistant but it is helpless against shredding by shrapnels from frags. That is why Ukraine is using it as a second line artillery not the front line artillery. All in all, it is more expensive than K9 by far, does not provide same mobility nor crew protection. No auto resupply vehicle. Maybe good enough for counter insurgency ops but not for modern front lines evident by all potential front line countries against Russia purchasing tracked vehicles.

[@romanor2000]

You clearly have no idea of what you're talking about... - Mobility : a tracked vehicle is incredibly slow meaning it cannot redeploy tens of KM away from its original firing position. (eg : a drone will easily find it with rough estimates of its original firing position). Its also a nightmare to maintain and supply with fuel. - Protection : a few mm of protection is good for firearms or schrapnel in some ways but will never survive a drone-mounted RPG like we see nowadays, it ads considerable weight meaning you cannot transport it by plane and you cannot cross all the bridges you want. And worst of all you will need tracks (see above). - This is a relatively cheap price considering the havoc they are causing not to mention it doesn't benefit from the yet to come economies of scale (development and production lines cannot be financially damped with only a few units produced). Here are the points you (purposely ?) forgot : - Maintenance : this relatively simple architecture allows for fast/easy maintenance (ukrainians are using tractor maintenance machines to keep CAESARS in condition). So you don't need heavy and far away infrastructure to get it back up and runing. - Accuracy and range : unmatched by any western counterpart, meaning more letality and less shells wasted. - Firing computer : Increadibly fast and easy to understand which is very important for the ukrainians. Just type the coordinates of your target and the truck will tell you where to drive and point in the right direction the moment you stop. => Better than all those outdated firing systems like the M109 or PZH2000. The french have a history of producing the best artillery equipment and the CASEAR is a masterpiece which is why the ukrainians love it.

[@bgshin2879]

Hmmmm I was a tracked IFV pilot and serviced tracks in the fields…. so someone stating that I do not know the difference is odd. Some quote wheeled vehicles being as manoeuvrable as tracked vehicle, well not from what I have seen. On a perfectly paved roads, yes they are superior but otherwise, not even close. Also do you believe the enemy is not monitoring all roads leading to the front? If any equipment is on the road, they will be targeted, just like Russian armour columns were targeted at the beginning. Which means, the approach to the front line is almost always offroad. Are you seriously saying Caesar has better offroad mobility? How many militaries airlift SpHs around the world? Was Caesar airlifted to Ukraine? No. Most countries do not fight expeditionary conflict. Even if they do, the scales are very very limited. Ukraine operates 48 Caesar and ordered 6 more. Whereas they operate 29 Krab and ordered 76 more. Which one do you think Ukrainians are finding more useful? Re accuracy…. I am amazed by your ignorance. Currently 60% global exports for last 5 years were K9 variants. Why compare with Pzh2000 or M109A6? How many times Caesar won against head to head with K9? Do you really believe those 10 countries who operate K9 variants do not understand artillery and purchased K9? For maintenance, the most critical thing is availability of serviceability and availability of parts. K9 is designed to be serviced in the field as much as possible. There are 1800 units in service with at least 800 in order books achieving firm ‘economy of scale’. How many Caesar is in operation and on the order books? In 10 years time K9 will still be in active production (K9A1 and A2), can you say that Caesar is to be in active production in 10 years time? Given the operational life span of 40 years, can you confirm all spare parts will be available for Caesar in 10, 20, 30 years time? PzH2000 was the best SpH since 90s, their demise is not due to lack of technology but due to lack of economy of scale. Can you say for sure that Caesar has the economy of scale? There is likely to be ca 3,000 K9 variants in operation in 10 years time. MLU (mid life upgrade) will bring A1, A2 and possibly A3 upgrade packages online. SKorea operates hundreds of K9s hence they will maintain their supply chain for parts, so will India, Australia, Poland and Egypt. There will be active secondary markets for K9 spare parts where the users can actively support each other (fyi there is K9 user club where they meet annually to share know-hows and arrange collective orders for spare parts). Does Caesar have anything similar? I may not know all the benefits of Caesar and never will find out as it is not of my interest. All you say maybe true. All I know is that more and more countries are choosing tracked system and order books for K9 is growing every year despite their 250 a year production rate. Would Caesar match that?

[@jean-philippebobin3732]

So you know tracked stuff and didn't want to learn on the CESAR and now your talking of comparing? No K9 in Ukraine ?

[@romanor2000]

@@bgshin2879 Thanks for your comment now we are getting somewhere constructive. - Caesar’s range and accuracy outperform the K9 by quite a margin. That’s what you want for an high intensity confict. (40km to 50km max approx) - Get your facts right, ukraine « ordered » (paid) 6 units while 72 others are under debate for financing by france and european allies. - K9 is not combat proven - Caesar 8x8 has decent off-road capabilities, while inferior to a tracked vehicle, this is enough for what artillery is supposed to endure (its not a frontline vehicle nor is the K9). - Caesar is being ordered by more and more countries so its future is quite bright considering its a very new platform. So yeah economies of scale are coming and its always better to get supplied by an european country than a corean one. - According to the sources I saw, the K9 is almost double the price of a caesar. - Once again, the caesar is a very simple platform, all the magic comes from combat system and barrel so all other pieces are expandable and quickly reparable. Its literally a truck mounted gun with a few hydraulics. On the other hand the K9 is full of unnecessary stuff like NRBC protection that will break down the second they get to a real battlefield. And you served you goddamn well that more parts and gadgets is more trouble for everyone except the adversary. Finally : we all know that defence contracts are more political than performance-based. K9 program offers technology transfers, industrial compensation which the caesar doesn’t.

[@ohpatriote5622]

The CAESAR proove his endurance in desert and used by french mountain brigade in Alps with chains

[@asarkar6486]

Doing PR for French MIC again..? Why now..? New delivery from Russian seizure money or all the previous batch got destroyed with few new embarrassing videos available from Russian FPV drone attacks...?

[@mryouben]

Troll

[@olivierpuyou3621]

One was destroyed and six others were damaged and returned to the factory for repair. Sources osint.

[@chourtout]

why do you care you arent russian obviously

[@cliffordnelson8454]

@@mryouben Said by the real troll who is also so extremely ignorant. HAHAHAH

[@philippemerlin7758]

Yes, it it difficult to use the rubles they pay you...

[@cliffordnelson8454]

So obviously a propaganda piece. From what I understand Ukraine is complaining about them. They are hard to maintain, and fragile. Sure they would prefer the new Russian models.

[@chemcom276]

Of course they are not soviets equipments and are probably not made to work in this mud (we, French, were mostly fighting in Africa), but Ukrainians are asking for more and more Caesars, they use them a lot and there are not so much complains.

[@cliffordnelson8454]

@@chemcom276 It is also made to be very rugged. Have you ever investigated Russian military equipment design principles. They are very big on making equipment soldier proof and not adding bells and whistles that really do little. They will put in new technology earlier than the west like it did with night fighting. And you must be very hard of hearing if you have not heard the complaints. Ukrainians would be asking for towed artillery if that was all they could get. The are dirt poor beggars that will take anything so your stupid statement means nothing.

[@Flo-pl5mg]

Absolutely not, Ukrainian want more of them

[@cliffordnelson8454]

@@Flo-pl5mg If they could thought they could get the WW1 French 75mm they would try to get them also. And unlike the piece of shit that is the Caesar, it was a good gun. Ukraine wants anything since they are running short of everything including able bodied men that have not suffered so many concussions that it has damaged their brains. 🤣🤣🤣 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@astree214]

You mean the ruZZian models that where built in Ukraine ?

[@obd-zi4lq]

does it come with white flags attached

[@philippemerlin7758]

No, "white flag attached" is US Army in Vietnam and Afghanistan, just to name two instances