How Games Get Grenades Wrong - Loadout

Most games and movies get grenades wrong. Whether it’s tactically cooking a frag in Call of Duty, throwing grenades back in Battlefield, or the huge fireballs we see in blockbusters like Commando, games and movies have totally exaggerated the humble hand grenade.
While there is a grain of truth in how games and movies depict the handheld explosive, the vast majority of depictions blow its impact out of proportion, so where does the truth end and the action movie trope begin?
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[@MrPacproductions]

5 second fuses only last 3 seconds. -U.S Army handbook.

[@unrulybot1352]

3.4 seconds

[@GSG-io8zp]

Also various COD games

[@HexadimensionalerAlp]

Same in Germany, we were tought 3-5 secs

[@malcolmbreval792]

Once we pull the pin Mr. Grenade is not our friend.

[@Michael_______]

Good to know thanks

[@kbearutube]

Grenades dont bother me anywhere near as much as shotguns. A shotgun can still pepper a target up to 80meters yet games make them inaccurate passed 20meters. Demolition ranch did an episode showing this.

[@fireaza]

20 meters is WAY too generous of an estimate. I'd say most games turn the blast of a shotgun from "insta-gib" to "tickle from a new-born kitten" at around the 5 meter mark.

[@Pyke64]

People kept whing about this in Rising Storm 2, which is actually one of the few games to get it right. People kept saying that shotguns can't and shouldn't kill past 10 meters.

[@callmemarnie2228]

Yeah they just want them to be less powerful though so they aren’t the weapon of choice for everyone and also so they aren’t to over powered but it would be so cool for a completely realistic shooting game with realistic everything even if some things are overpowered

[@Pyke64]

@@saltysandy5879 No weapon is OP in Rising Storm, they are all extremely deadly. Or nerf them all, that's fun in some games.

[@FraserSouris]

Generally that's for balancing. Otherwise shotguns would completely dominate the meta. See Destiny 1 and 2019 Fortnite as examples

[@koookeee]

"With the safety pin pulled, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend."

[@beanboy6934]

if you watched Mr. Right, you would know that is incorrect

[@crayonchomper1180]

no he is only not your friend once you pop the lever, if you haven't popped the lever you can put the pin back in

[@koookeee]

@@crayonchomper1180 Theoretically true. But have you ever tried that under combat conditions?

[@koookeee]

@@beanboy6934 That is technically correct. However, if you are trained in the use of hand grenades, you will know how difficult (and dangerous) it is to try that under adverse/ combat conditions.

[@drops2cents260]

@@koookeee > "With the safety pin pulled, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend." Well, as long as you don't pop the lever, Mr. Grenade might still be your friend, but the friendship is certainly in a quite fragile state. :-)

[@twsteele1977]

On the "throwing grenades to make enemies run" point: I read a Vietnam memoir called Hill 488 where a US platoon was surrounded and running out of ammo so they through rocks (it was night time) to make the NVA think a grenade landed near them and run out of cover where the US soldiers would have an easier shot.

[@Nuclear5094]

That reminds me of a ww2 story I heard where the Americans threw potatoes at a Japanese submarine, scaring them off it. Some even tried throwing them back, thinking they were nades.

[@shawniscoolerthanyou]

Illusion: 100

[@PotatoTheProgrammer]

Grenades Movies: a literal nuke Reality: creeper in water

[@ohok5247]

Pretty accurate but the creeper fires arrows after exploding

[@fawn7531]

@@ohok5247 wait are we talking about Minecraft because if we are than creepers don’t shoot arrows skeletons do creepers just explode

[@admiralmudkip9836]

@@fawn7531 he is saying that a grenade would be like a creeper in water that fires arrows in every direction when exploding

[@fawn7531]

@@admiralmudkip9836 oh I thought he got creepers wrong for a moment

[@davidgumazon]

@@ohok5247 Arrows? Do you mean rays?

[@kraemer66]

Something else you missed, the physics of the throw itself. Many games portray that they have physics like a baseball. They don't bounce. They thud. If you throw one at dry wall, its not bouncing around the corner and into the room, its either going to go into the dry wall, or falling to the ground roughly where it hit.

[@juansaldivar9204]

@Step bro on god, the grenade throwing in that shit feels fucking weird to me

[@juansaldivar9204]

@Step bro yeah I can 100% agree! Its stupid how the physics work with the frag unless you're going for a perfectly timed explosion

[@bpj1805]

Most wars in which grenades have been used were in places where drywall is not ubiquitous. I.e. not in North America. A masonry wall doesn't just yield to the impact of a grenade. The grenade has to actually explode for that to be a possibility.

[@cericat]

@Step bro that bounce is really ridiculous then, a room that deep I couldn't expect a tennis ball to return out the window reliably off the back wall. Not playing BOCW regardless so just have to worry about the gimped C4 throw range.

[@nathanschafsnitz8860]

Thats more what battlefield 4 is like I’ve tried this many times through a door and it hits the wall then falls to the ground like a rock never reaching intended target

[@Xanitrit_Zeo]

I got to throw a grenade during my conscription once. Lemme tell ya, it doesn't sound as fun when you realise what you're holding can end your life pretty quickly. I yeeted that thing like my life depended on it and duck behind cover immediately. I could feel the resulting 'small' explosion shockwave, even through a meter of concrete. 10/10 would do it again though.

[@David_Fellner]

I've wondered about that before. Most people have _got_ to feel a moment of panic after pulling the pin on a live grenade for the first time.

[@henrikparsgaard9648]

I always laughed at the people who feared grenades. Usually they were the ones who didn't throw them properly 😂😂😂

[@SpaceMissile]

admittedly i have never thrown a grenade, but I feel like it'd be way more comfortable than throwing a firecracker. at least a grenade has the little clip that flies off when you're ready to throw. firecracker fuses are like "here i go, ready or not!"

[@michael_r]

I can think of one case that comes to mind right away of someone blowing themselves up on a grenade range in basic training. That was decades ago. I’m not sure how common it is, but it has certainly happened. They’re - ya know - dangerous.

[@smith9157]

@@michael_r I did infantry school in 2016 we had a go accidentally drop a live one on himself just got peppered up the side of his body still ended up coming to town with us that night

[@bbowling4979]

What I found most interesting was that the Soviet army had multiple fuses available for their grenades with delay times from 10 seconds down to 0. My understanding was that they would put the 0 second fuses in grenades and leave them behind when moving from a position, hoping that enemy soldiers would pick them up and try to use them.

[@magicpsy1761]

the Germans had such fuzes for grenade M39.

[@GoldenAura32]

Also great for traps.

[@vikkimcdonough6153]

@@GoldenAura32 IIRC, that was actually the primary purpose of zero-delay grenade fuses.

[@robertives973]

I do this when playing dayz. next you’re going to tell me they put gasoline in canteens and water bottles too 😂

[@jamesmeppler6375]

I'd say 0 seconds are for when you're about to die, your position is about to be overtaken. Id never use an enemy grenade, throw it maybe but not pull the pin

[@theyeetshiba893]

To simplify it, it’s a large angry fire cracker shooting tiny bullets at you.

[@dejfcold]

You can emulate it by sticking a fire cracker into a glass bottle. But it's probably not worth the effort to pull out tiny shards of glass out of the skin, potentially losing eye sight and/or bleeding to death just because of bad luck. Not mentioning the cleanup after.

[@davidgumazon]

In Minecraft, TNT is just hundreds to thousand of shooting rays at you.

[@_Myrhl]

@@davidgumazon what why do you just reply on every comment talking about minecraft explosion rays or whatever

[@rice1163]

to put it in the words of Andy, "The fires shooting at us"

[@ethancooper1560]

It won’t throw you backwards with a big fireball but it also dosnt seem like much fun to have a piece of metal launched through your leg

[@shark8653]

so..those metal parts of the grenade are suppose to kill, not the explosion

[@JaidenTheBest]

Both are. Assuming your using a low powered grenade there is a certain point in where the explosion wont hurt you. But the shrapnel is meant as a second attack killing most people in the area.

[@spinyslasher6586]

Both can kill, and the effectiveness depends on the model of the grenade.

[@klevisdiko9737]

There are a lot of types of grenades. Some have fragments that kill you and some have an explosion but not as bug as the movies show it

[@Rashed1255]

@@klevisdiko9737 movies use experimental nuclear grenades, I’d say they got em pretty accurately.

[@maugod6972]

@@Rashed1255 lmao

[@achdong1445]

There's a scene in it's always sunny in philadelphia that showcases this, the characters throw a grenade into a car and are confused by the lack of a firey explosion and determine it's a 'shoddy' grenade

[@SpaceMissile]

wasn't that Dee's car? lol

[@achdong1445]

@@SpaceMissile yeah it was

[@ldawg7117]

one of my all time favorite episodes.. or I guess two episodes.

[@dubsaks25]

During my time in the military I rated expert in the use of all types of grenade. One thing a lot of people don't realize is the weight. It's difficult, to safely use a grenade, especially as by the time you decide to use one, you're likely already exhausted. The scariest thing about grenades is that one of your buddies might not throw it far enough away from you.

[@ninjafruitchilled]

It's a while back now but I am pretty sure my training was with the F1 grenade. I don't remember it being very heavy, it was pretty small and light. Could throw it pretty far. Didn't ever use any other types though.

[@PhantomDragonX]

@VaderxG no generally they absolutely do not. Regular infantry didn't carry them ( from what I saw in Iraq) but rangers / sf did and they had so much tape wound around them I doubt they were using them in a moment's notice.

[@SpaceMissile]

good point; i've never considered the exhaustion element. this is the difference between actual service and just playing videogames.

[@norezenable]

You don't hear the stories from people who tried to throw a grenade back and failed.

[@jaquinhelp7298]

Some were reported

[@alexj1892]

Survivorship bias

[@dragoxk4542]

There’s that famous video (on gore websites) of that riot police officer trying to kick back a grenade that was thrown against his shield. His leg gets blown clean off at his knee.

[@acc373r4t0r]

except I did. French rioter tried it and got his arm blown off

[@coffee4682]

@@dragoxk4542 They’re tossing frag grenades in France?

[@The4j1123]

Tarkov is great for 'nades because not only does it simulate fragments, but their ricochet too. I remember tossing a frag into a room and having a piece of shrapnel bounce out of the room, off the wall across from me, and then kill me in the process. Fun times.

[@Hellsong89]

As they say any weapon system you are not control of before it stops is not your friend, but it aint your enemy ether. For instance non wire guided IR AA missiles, or torpedoes. Moment those are let loose, they will seek and hit the target.. it does not matter to them what that target is, long as its emitting heat or sound.

[@starwolfcyberlight4546]

I mean it's a survival game with realistic proportions

[@leopard2a783]

Like they just said Arma 3 with the ACE mod and Escape from tarkov are very great games for well military simulations. Me personally I reccomend EFT myself because Arma 3 is just very unoptimized but fun in some cases because you can make your own missions and lots and lots of mods to never keep you bored

[@JohnPeacekeeper]

STALKER grenades too, minus the ricochet The amount of times I bled myself with a grenade that was too close while I was in the open xD Quickly learned to stay in full cover even more before chucking them

[@leopard2a783]

@@JohnPeacekeeper yeah STALKER grenades do have shrapnel but they're really weak imo, I have to throw at least 3 grenades at a normal bandit and they almost never die for me

[@vonSchwarzberg]

Most of "throw back" stories I've heard were from WW2 veterans fighting against german troops. German Stielhandgranaten 24 was often a slowburner (up to 8 seconds) so chances were high enough.

[@pteppig]

Except those grenades "left" in bunkers and buildings after retreats. They often had a 0 second fuse.

[@swaghauler8334]

And the "potato mashers" were LARGE so you could see when they were thrown which cuts down the reaction time too. There was a US Marine who was breaching a house in Fallujah when an Insurgent threw an old Russian F1 "pineapple" grenade down a staircase at him. He had played on an all-star baseball team in high school, so he saw the grenade and caught it in mid-air. He then IMMEDIATELY threw it back up the stairs. The distance between him and the Insurgent was around 5 to 6 meters (think yards for my American brethren). That is the ONLY case I have heard about a return throw in modern war.

[@maxlinck9037]

plus there was a lot of trench war so other options like running were limited

[@thatonedude2228]

Well atleast in a trench you have a chance to get behind something or round a corner to avoid it

[@SpaceMissile]

@@swaghauler8334 I had a buddy who was in the Army and he once said that grenade training "always showed who did or didn't play catch with their dads growing up"

[@paavobergmann4920]

"it did happen" means: " a few of those times it was tried, it actually did work", all the other instances getting reduced to ugly heaps of gore. I mean, If you are pinned down in a foxhole, and a grenade lands at your feet, you might be motivated to pick it up and throw it somewhere else. How often you will succeed is anyones guess, and when the next war correspondent finds the bloody mess that was you, how is he gonna tell what happened, and that you actually tried something cool/desperate? So there is a huge bias towards those that lived to tell the tale. These things are absolutely vicious. What rarely is depicted in games is, that they can easily kill you through a dry wall, aka, next door. Cooking? no, thanks.

[@visassess8607]

Basically the dictionary definition of survivorship bias.

[@dwandersgaming]

The motivation is key. What choice is there when a live grenade lands at your feet?

[@swaghauler8334]

@@dwandersgaming IF you are in a properly dug foxhole (which most aren't) you can kick it into the grenade sump... a hole at one end of the foxhole about a foot wide and two feet deep. A lot of guys don't dig them because you forget it's there, step in the hole, and wind up limping around for a week...

[@j.f.fisher5318]

@@swaghauler8334 thanks, that was going to be my comment.

[@dakotahrickard]

I mean, for that matter, most of the things that games use is cover, couches, walls, etc. are piersible by bullets. It is pretty much entirely unrealistic to expect that cover would be that effective.

[@MisterPatel]

I cook grenades all the time. Nice with salsa

[@conanholmes8620]

😂

[@blixh3ad]

@Joe Mama oh shit I actually had to unlike after I saw this Edit: he had 69 likes at the time

[@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681]

Unless you overcook and BECOME the salsa.

[@spacedust1962]

@@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 o shit

[@huhsauce4797]

you done it with guacamole? Really tasty, and Grenades and steak is just delicious

[@markman474]

"How videogames get grenades wrong?" 20 secs later "Back in the Byzantine Empire..."

[@TheTroyc1982]

he is also a 1000 years off about Byzantium (Eastern Roman Empire) 330AD to 1453AD

[@TTalksVA]

"How the byzantine empire got video games wrong"

[@myfairlady343]

@@TheTroyc1982 700 bc the east roman empire existed before the roman haha

[@Lyle-xc9pg]

@@TheTroyc1982 1400 years not 1000. 700 bc - 700 ad

[@twandepan]

@@Lyle-xc9pg he means he is at least a 1000 years off

[@cwis8406]

Every time I’ve been around a grenade going off the thing that shocks me is how much you FEEL it. A grenade is small, but everybody within 500m or so can actually FEEL it. That kind of power just seems unreal to me.

[@danielhawkins6425]

On reflection, it shouldn't be all that surprising, what you feel. If you go to a good 4th of July fireworks display, some of the larger rounds make a "THUMP" you feel right in your chest, and that's a couple thousand feet away.

[@stevenbass732]

What I find hilarious is the action hero throwing a grenade and immediately running forward. That's a very good way to get a body full of shrapnel.

[@_Matsimus_]

*”Frag out!”* Every keen gamer who has a grenade in a team based game

[@dan-6504]

shut up

[@dutchvanderlinde2636]

@@dan-6504 why tho? Did his joke offend you somehow?

[@shetto]

@@dutchvanderlinde2636 shut up

[@dutchvanderlinde2636]

@@shetto why?

[@cobra5094]

@@dutchvanderlinde2636 shut up

[@bebbehalifax2402]

I had a grenade in Borderlands 2 that would fly around in the air in loops before locking on to an enemy, at which point it would fly towards them and then explode, electrocute them, spawn 7 non-homing child-grenades, and it would also return a potion of the damage it did as health back to me. 110% realistic

[@josephzsoka874]

that's nothing... I did that back in the Commodore 64 days.

[@Yorkington]

Borderlands is known for its realism.

[@deus6383]

God, I love borderlands 2

[@Vel_Plays_2.0]

You

[@vitalijslebedevs1629]

I will build one. There is a possibility of an invasion of my country on the cards, so nothing less in order.

[@littlesherlock2313]

There are two types of modern hand grenade. “Defensive” hand grenades are those high fragmentation, low blast yield grenades that kill through fragmentation rather than blast, and are generally pretty great for outdoor use and for when you have cover to hide behind. “Offensive” hand grenades are relatively low fragmentation, high blast yield grenades which kill more from the blast than the fragmentation, and are pretty great for throwing into rooms or for use in buildings where fragmentation ricocheting or going through a wall and hitting you and yours is a high risk.

[@ghillie_guys7808]

I did not know this, in ARMA 3 there’s defensive and offensive, and I always assumed defensive just meant it could be thrown further because it was smaller.

[@mrmonsterhunter808]

“How games get grenades wrong” -shows Tarkov *Now hold on there*

[@wellifailed392]

Yeah. This video is stupid because most modern video games have realistic grenades. All of them now just have the grey cloud with no fire and some even have shrapnel

[@ladyhm.6748]

@@wellifailed392 All of them now? Are you sure about that?

[@Kendricklamarglazer17]

@@wellifailed392 no they don't the only actual realistic one of the top off of my head is tarkov, name another

[@KJK9029]

@@Kendricklamarglazer17 arma and squad, but certainly not many games choose to simulate it realistically

[@Kendricklamarglazer17]

@@KJK9029 I understand why though, I personally think it's better to have a select few games which are realistic, it gives for a nice break

[@linusdn2777]

I've thrown a few grenades in the army. Never actually seen it explode though. Saw an antitank mine completely demolish a small road. It was amazing.

[@TheSpekkel1]

It suprising the first time you see how big holes at-mines make in the ground when detonated and how long debris flies. We denotaned 3 at-mines, stacked on tops of eachother once. Impressive explosion and the ammount of debris was enhaced, cause it was winter so it was clear how far everything flew. Not so much fun filling the hole afterwards, but worth it still.

[@shadowhawk320]

Same, but it rained the night before i threw mine, and i did see the amount of mud that got thrown. I think most video games tend to underestimate the radius of a grenade blast. And certainly the amount of damage they cause. 50 meters is 162 feet, and everything in that dies. the injury radius is much larger.

[@ReiigaduWolf]

Exactly, also on how much strength you need to throw a Grenade. Throwing the two that I did in Basic it’s like trying to chuck a shot put. They even told us to not shot put it and to throw it hard as far as you could. They’re heavy for a throwing object and you can easily throw out your arm as most of the time the actual blast radius is larger than you can throw it.

[@Karpalolapanen]

Same here. We didnt throw those frag ones but the pressure ones because they are much safer outdoors. Of course it was scary af but also really cool but Finnish army had good safety protocols. Grenades are most effective indoors and you dont even need the frags since pressure does 90% of all the job and it is really lethal.

[@phredphlintstone6455]

Saw a nade go off in basic. Nice fireball, just a flash though. Like the flash of the old cameras, not as bright but that fast. Really glad that there was the ballistic resistant window thing, as a piece of shrapnel hit, and stuck... would have hit me right between the eyes.

[@lucaprado544]

The most accurate representation of a hand granade that I've ever seen in a movie is in Monthy Python - The Holy Grail

[@hackergaming6372]

Agreed.

[@liamgriffin218]

Luca Prado which is ironic since it's a comedy so you'd expect it to be the biggest and most fiery thing ever

[@mikitz]

Contrary to modern granades, the pin lasts for two more seconds than advertized. It clearly wasn't military grade, more like papist grade.

[@terrelldurocher3330]

@@liamgriffin218 they made it more real because a nirmal grenage is actully pure comedy.

[@charles8179]

just saying, but throwing back a live grenade actually dates back to Half-Life 2, which was the first FPS game to actually make it technically possible. You can throw back grenades with either your hands or the gravity gun

[@monhi64]

Fair enough, that’s probably a pretty hard thing to pin down with 100% certainty. So at least back to half life 2

[@Snake420]

I'm pretty sure my ancestors did it back in 700bc Byzantine Empire but sure

[@KasumiRINA]

I think I remember enemies throwing grenades back at you in first Medal of Honor, which predates HL2 by an era.

[@marijandesin8226]

One very important thing to know! There are mining granades that explode instantly as soon as the pin or lever are off They are intended to be used with a trip wire The bad thing is they look like hand granades but were matte green There were many stories of soldiers blowing them selves up mistaking this kind for a regular hand granade

[@L4v3]

You can place one of those under a land mine you leave on the road and when the mine is moved by an enemy the handle flies off and boom goes the guy who came to remove it.

[@jonathancole5179]

@@L4v3 That is actually a good tactics, especially if you used a faulty mine.

[@KasumiRINA]

@@L4v3 it's just better using artillery with cluster munitions and fire at the road russians already went through, they will ride again, and get blown up. See Vuhledar. For infantry VOG bombs dropped from drones are better. Little bang, nobody flies, just a bunch of smelly orcs grabbing their knees.

[@potatocaterpillar8501]

“Blown out of proportion” pun not intended.

[@Smo1k]

"LIES! That was too intended!" ;)

[@humanoidweapon6260]

Lame

[@axellion4573]

The holy hand grenade is the most op weapon ever

[@elemental7726]

That’s from Kick the buddy haha

[@Armand10ify]

@@elemental7726 no it's worms ktb stole it

[@cericat]

@@Armand10ify and Worms took it from Monty Python's Holy Grail.

[@orderingfoodwgoogledoxesu3113]

Thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it

[@therealplaguerat]

The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch was so OP. Too bad the only one got used on The Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog

[@exudeku]

Explosions: exist People outside Blast Range: I'm safe! Shrapnels: güten tag

[@AMcGrath82]

I dunno man. The first time I stood in the vicinity of a grenade explosion I could feel the ground shake, even standing quite a distance away.

[@KeenlyJohnas]

I’ve thrown grenades in my mandatory military service. The “pineapple” grenade is used strictly in “defensive” mode when you have a very solid (or entrenched) barrier because the fragments fly up to 200 meters and the grenade itself is 600 grams - you have to be very strong to throw it more than 25 meters. The grenades typically you use in advancing forward combat are lighter “offensive” grenades that are not made of such solid casing and throw frags only up to 5-10 meters, the idea being you throw a grenade to disorient and probably wound the enemy when you advance towards them and they are not entirely exposed (like hiding in a trench, or behind tree, etc).

[@Snake101Gaming]

Ah ok

[@austinmillionaire7762]

Toss a drag into every room before you go in hooah

[@valistrutu]

soooo i am a strong man !!!!💪🏻

[@ReiigaduWolf]

From a US Solider perspective you actually do say "Frag Out" or "Grenade Out". They're also heavy. Not super heavy, but heavy enough that they tell you not to "Shot-Put it" and it does feel like you will dislocate your arm when throwing it. Lastly there is a casualty radius from the concussive explosion itself that will kill you almost instantly even if no shrapnel hits you. (Basically standing within a certain meter range of the grenade it'll rupture your brain)

[@X.Y.Z.07]

Wow. More than half a kilo... I really thought it's much lighter than that....

[@jasonfrancese8359]

That awkward moment when the Flash TV show got a grenade’s explosion more accurate than COD.

[@joejutsu3268]

@@TheBananamonger At least they gave the accurate explosion even being broke. (not a cw fanboii)

[@Arkenald]

Funny thing is cooking grenades and throwing grenades back are intrinsically linked to one another. Early version of the Mills Bomb had a much slower fuse, which gave the resupinates ample time to react, and this is where you get battlefield reports of individuals throwing the grenades back at their attackers. And such this is where soldiers started to "cook" grenades in order to prevent their targets from being able to react. And because of how dangerous this was, the fuse times were later change to better reflect how how quickly individuals can react.

[@xr9790]

“Battlefield soldiers being able to survive a blast just feet away from them is unrealistic” *Casually revives my friend who got shot by a tank cannon*

[@alklazaris3741]

Risingstorm 2: Vietnam you barely even see a flash. It's just a incredibly quick dust cloud and debris flying in all directions.

[@floo1465]

yeah, that game does grenades well

[@Reragi]

I've seen arma do it extremely well too especially as all the shrapnel ricochets indoors

[@sirflaps7619]

Same with hell let loose

[@lemons1559]

@@Reragi Getting hit by a ricocheting or penetrating piece of shrapnel just makes you stop and appreciate the game's details.

[@aZaamBie135]

Yeah games like Rising Storm 2, Squad, Arma, Hell Let Loose, most tactical/realistic games have realistic grenades

[@ravioliguy7113]

so your telling me that if I throw a grenade into a perfectly normal home the house won't turn into a nuke and explode

[@davidweihe6052]

It will if the house is also an ammo dump.

[@themaidenlesswretch7819]

I mean, everyone within about 30 yards will have a bad day, but no nuke

[@kstreet7438]

@@davidweihe6052 or it they have a bad gas leak.

[@bbowling4979]

Nope but if it's drywall construction those fragments are coming right through the walls.

[@benjaminmcconchie3433]

Why are u throwing nades into houses?

[@mrspidrexe9625]

we are always scared when the enemy shouting "FRAG OUT" deep down, we all know the nightmare line is "SEMTEX"

[@hungryhedgehog4201]

the WW1 Millsbomb originally had a 7 second fuze, which is rather long if you are trying to clear a trench with it or keep someone from jumping into yours. They later changed the time down to 4 seconds probably also to stop people from cooking the grenades.

[@obiwankenobi2749]

I like how in some games you can hold a frag, die, and the frag will still go off

[@abrahamwashington8579]

Yes! Was playing rising storm 2 and was cooking a grenade and I got shot and it still blew up. Most modern games void your nade when you die

[@LucasImpulse]

@@abrahamwashington8579 are you sure?

[@foxtrotnine2504]

Really? Almost all games I know have it when you die your grenade still goes off. I believe every cod installment was this way even dating back to 2008. Insurgency is also the same way.

[@obiwankenobi2749]

@@foxtrotnine2504 im surprised by the number of games that either dont let you cook it in the first place, or it just wont go if you die

[@jermey268]

@@abrahamwashington8579 love rs2

[@justmehere34]

So use a Molotov instead when I see a spider because the grenade doesn’t have a fireball? Got it.

[@norfangl3480]

The pressure from the grenade will probably turn the spider into liquid, then the heat would evaporate it.

[@therealthatcatstabe360]

Dude just use a nuke or some tnt, it's more effective

[@thepeskyone]

@@therealthatcatstabe360 um, that won't work. you need a star explosion

[@therealthatcatstabe360]

@@thepeskyone damn you're right

[@badideagenerator2315]

Or just use a glass and a sheet of paper like a civilised person and release the spider outside where it will die because its a house spider and is not adapted for living outside.

[@steves1015]

Interesting video. Several years ago I watched a video where a veteran was explaining how when he severed, at one point they were training the local military to fight for themselves (I really can't remember the conflict). They used to have grenades ready to go in one location but soon realised that these grenades were being pinched. The stolen grenades would end up in enemy hands and were used against them. To combat this, the fuses inside the grenades were secretly changed to be virtually 0 secs and everyone was made aware not to use these particular grenades, except for the local military. Whoever the thief was, he came back, pilfered them, and passed them on. Then, during a firefight, as the enemy were about to throw the grenades - booom...the grenades exploded in their hands. I tried searching for this story online but can't find it. For some reason I am thinking this happened to the British in Malaya...

[@HauntingSpectre]

Vietnam had incidents like this. Both the Russians and the Americans also left behind sabotaged 7.62 munitions that would explode when fired. So if you picked any up from retreating soldiers, you could have your rifle explode in your hands. To this day you still aren't supposed to buy 7.62 rounds from foreign countries because the risk of Salvaged munitions could result in this happening to you. Rare, but not a lottery I'd want to win

[@zalkenth2190]

One of the grenades' properties that is not often mentioned or seen in video games is how it's trajectory changes mid air. Speaking from experience, if a grenade is in mid air when the lever is knocked off of it, then the grenade (due to Newton's third law) will change trajectory opposite of the one the lever took. Aiming grenades over long distances is almost impossible due to this, unless you manualy remove the lever or the grenade lands before the lever detaches.

[@KasumiRINA]

Use drones to drop them down instead.

[@ToxicBastard]

So wait, you're telling me the grenades in Just Cause 3 that home in on enemies and shorten their fuse when near them are NOT realistic?!

[@uwukiepookiebear]

i mean, if you want you can make a "smart grenade"

[@ToxicBastard]

@@uwukiepookiebear I doubt one smart enough to be able to tell which people are enemies vs civilians and allies.

[@uwukiepookiebear]

fair enough

[@JVLY]

In it's defense, they did get one thing right that I haven't seen in any other game that comes to mind. When you throw one near a wall or under a ceiling, you do see the shrapnel pepper the walls. It's a neat detail.

[@OOPS-All-Discord-2022]

That feature’s pretty useful for consoles lol

[@JumboSlice716]

In Vietnam, my grandfather's friend threw back a grenade and saved their lives. True story

[@dankovac1609]

Before some sceptic calls you out and wants proof, im going to say i don't care if it's true or not, your grandfather had some quick reactions.

[@dankovac1609]

@lɐɯɹou ɐ Spider ah, true. Thanks for notifying. I guess the friend's one to praise then but i bet his gramps was a good GI too

[@evanb.5726]

I actually checked using all of the info I got from this comment and I found the military records of a man in the Vietnam war with your last name so I’m pretty sure this is true, or it’s just a coincidence.

[@GrausamerKerberos]

@@evanb.5726 Bogosian is a very common Armenian surname.

[@evanb.5726]

@@GrausamerKerberos I was only checking the American records of American soldiers, but it is still a possibility yea

[@SpaceMissile]

8:18 - one of the coolest parts of grenades in tarkov is hearing the shrapnel land all over the place, even nearby yourself after throwing them. such amazing sound design on their weapons.

[@retroa-go-go6888]

Jonathan Ferguson , you're a legend, I'd love to work for you one day. My grandad used to say, "if they tell you it's a 5 second timer, it's really 3 seconds". My other granddad knew someone doing grenade training in WWII and some fool threw one straight up, and into the practise trench, the Sgt. Maj. was fast enough to grab the live grenade and throw it out just in time, thankfully, or I never would have been born!

[@masonqiu3712]

My grandma was a field nurse in ww2. She once threw a grenade back where it landed in their field hospital. The grenade popped right out of the hay roof, but she managed to save her and her friends' lives.

[@haleloop963cortex4]

Damn she was one of the lucky few people to react fast enough to throw it back and saving her friends. She must be so proud

[@masonqiu3712]

@@haleloop963cortex4 We are the ones who feel proud. As for her and all those people who were from her generation probably would not think this way. She never said too much about war just like my grandpa, he was a major during wartime. They have seen too many innocent people die, so as their friends even family. They were more like victims to heroes in their hearts which is pretty sad.

[@haleloop963cortex4]

@@masonqiu3712 yeah I just hope war won't brew up later on in history

[@visassess8607]

Judging by your name she was Chinese?

[@omgwtflmaololrotfl2368]

RIP Badass Grandma🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻

[@Taunic]

Escape From Tarkov does a phenomenal job creating realistic grenades and explosions. It sends out shrapnel everywhere and doesn't make too much of an explosion. The way the game tracks the fragments and them being able to bounce off metal pipes and walls etc. is pretty amazing.

[@latewizard301]

STALKER did it too, (and ofc first) but Tarkov probably did it slightly better.

[@casedistorted]

@@latewizard301 We all know STALKER is just the prequel to any Russian FPS game like Tarkov lol

[@SpaceMissile]

i love hearing the pieces hit the ground around me after lobbing one across customs.

[@fyllingenoy131]

I remember reading an account from the battle of either Peleliu or Saipan in 1944 where a US Marine was cooking grenades and throwing them into Japanese dugouts. He did it successfully four or five times, but then the fuse of one grenade was shorter than expected and the grenade exploded in the air between him and the target. The guy survived, but was wounded to the point of having to be sent home.

[@dantheman4908]

When he said Jonathan Ferguson was in this video I cheered out loud.

[@lastminutesavior]

4:17 you guys should have added an explosion there. Wasted opportunity.

[@JaidenTheBest]

Yeah that would've been funny

[@philipmohlin3887]

@@JaidenTheBest would have been a new low

[@hoppinggnomethe4154]

I was thinking the same! maybe that meme explosion clip would fit!

[@mohammedsarker5756]

nah it'd look cheesy and super low effort imo, i kinda like that this video doesn't have stupid gimmicky jokes and just talks the subject matter straight

[@MilkmanSuper]

*head blown off, scrapnel hits the camera. Bit of brain flies everywhere*

[@rogersheddy6414]

Filming grenade explosions in infrared would be very interesting. That is because the fragments would be extremely hot and therefore leave their traces on the film.

[@PhantomDragonX]

meh, not really (as an apache pilot I shot 30mm HE viewed through IR scope) looks like a water balloon splash on impact, not super interesting--but definitely super fun.

[@chrisharrison5109]

Very informative video thanks. Like a number of similar discussions bringing out the reasons why games and movies may not be strictly accurate - usually because strictly accurate isn’t cinematically exciting. I particularly like Jonathan’s reference to the contents of a grenade as “the splodey stuff”

[@schuhsuppe7228]

My biggest concern with grenades is that their appearance in games suggest that you are safe once you are 20 feet away, while realy, you need a realy big distance AND a form of protection against shrapnels

[@user-nt4mu8xf7o]

Instantly: The Byzantine Empire was NOT around in 700 BC

[@irongeneral7861]

ikr

[@jurisjancevskis9076]

yea

[@anaraschulz9814]

I think they meant 700AD, thats when the Byzantine-Arab wars occurred and when Byzantines started using Greek fires and other explosives.

[@bigjo66]

They were only 1000 years wrong...

[@irongeneral7861]

@@bigjo66 1400

[@Sankis]

I assume that 700 bc is meant to be AD. Was definitely no Roman empire in 700 bc.

[@chasingembers6167]

Though it was founded in 753 B.C. The Empire lasted from 27 B.C. to 1453 C.E. with the fall of Constantinople.

[@johnmccraw7217]

Yeah, nobody considers them Romans except the Byzantines. And other civs from the Middle Ages. And quite a few historians.

[@mikesully110]

@@chasingembers6167 The Romans did not have thrown pot explosives back in 700BC, but the Byzantine Empire in 700ad did, especially with their use of greek fire. Unless he meant the City State of Byzantium; a Greek city state that was renamed Constantinople around 300ad (this became the capitol of the byzantine empire - now it is called Istanbul). But I highly doubt a relatively insignificant city state back then had this technology and nobody else did.

[@B3RyL]

@Patrick B The Roman Empire was for a brief period of time ruled by two equal emperors, but it was still viewed by the people of the time as a single political entity. The division into "Western" and "Eastern Roman Empires" (Byzantines) is a modern concept. The Byzantines never thought of themselves as anything but Roman, and every other nation of the time, even their enemies, agreed with that sentiment. The Byzantine Empire was the Roman Empire. Besides, the capital of the Roman Empire was officially moved to Constantinople by the Roman emperor Constantine the Great (the capital of the "Western Roman Empire" was in Mediolanum or Ravenna for the most part). That would make the "Eastern Roman Empire" the true continuation of the Roman Empire.

[@hoppinggnomethe4154]

oh yes. they first appeared between 717-741 A.D.

[@theblackbaron4119]

Firearms expert: "Where the splodey stuff is" :') brilliant.

[@slyllamademon2652]

The trick to throwing grenades with minimal chance for enemies to react is to throw them so they skip at the enemy. In fact, in halo, the Fragmentation grenade’s timer does not start until the grenade hits the ground, which means you can use them to hit the enemy reliably.

[@awildmincinno7289]

Grenades go boom that is the only logic

[@stt577]

train go boom

[@reasonableraisin3366]

Twin tower go boom

[@Armand10ify]

@@stt577 heh infinite warfare reference

[@Armand10ify]

@@reasonableraisin3366 oof

[@zikof5646]

@@Armand10ify BO3 actually, doesn't make much of a difference tho

[@siggybuttbrain7026]

Tarkov gets them pretty actuate, you don’t go flying you just drop dead from fragments

[@siggybuttbrain7026]

@@openmind2546 "ceki bre- **BOOM** "

[@asyncasync]

Depends. If you are lying on top if it you will absolutely take off like a ragdoll. If not, then the pressure disperses in all directions and you probably wont even take off the ground.

[@dedbolt6339]

Seriously? You can stand LITERALLY FIVE METRES AWAY from an exploding RGD-5 and be perfectly fine

[@siggybuttbrain7026]

​@@dedbolt6339 no you cant, depending on what armor you have your guaranteed at least a blacked leg or 2 and if you have no armor your dead, its a random spread of projectiles in tarkov not just an explosion that kills everything within a couple meters, if your smart you can avoid damage all together LIKE IN REAL LIFE.

[@siggybuttbrain7026]

@@dedbolt6339 that's my point, like I just said its not an explosion, its hundreds of little projectiles, that's why sometimes you dont get hurt as much it all depends the rng and if you have cover and armor or you get lucky. argue all you like tarkov objectively still have the most realistic grenades in any game out there, same goes for weapons.

[@kilroy6429]

reminds me of when I was playing Onward( a vr military shooter) and me and some buddies were holed up on a hill with a bunch of guys trying to kill us at the bottom. The structure we were hiding in was terrible and was letting bullets through left and right. I was midway through reloading my lmg when I saw a frag grenade on the floor. I had enough time for the comical sort of "oh shit" moment of realization and somehow lobbed it back down at the people who threw it at us before it went off. It didn't reach them, mind you, but it still didn't kill me and my friends. This wasn't some "press the button to throw it back" deal either. I had to use my own reaction time to lob the grenade safely to the bottom of the hill, because explosives in that game have a shit load of range.

[@ubidragonrocksmith9719]

Just come here to say thank you for marking the video/games sources

[@ThreeProphets]

My marine buddy recommends kicking away grenades to keep them away from your head. They were taught to do this with a specific type of foxhole that's designed to catch them, but you still have to run away after that because of the wide blast radius Indirect weapons, from grenades to launchers to artillery are particularly susceptible to windage and calculation error, so they aren't very accurate. While their purpose on an individual level may be to engage enemies in entrenched positions, their role in the larger unit is in fact to encourage them to move to where someone else can engage them with a more accurate weapon. Machine guns serve the opposite purpose, discouraging enemies from exposing themselves by changing positions. When both tactics are combined, it forces the enemy to make an impossible decision: Move into machine gun fire or stay put until indirect gets zeroed in?

[@matheusgclassen]

Yeah, inside your foxhole or trench you dig a deep hole to kick the grenades into, of course if you throw an explosive into a small enclosed space youre gonna have a bad time if you sit near that hole, so you better get away from it or lay down

[@edw.2561]

@@matheusgclassen a "grenade sump"

[@ahmedkhan7195]

Damn.... U people are out here writing essays 😂😂😂

[@ahmedkhan7195]

@Ambrose Delgado I am very sorry if i offended anyone

[@DeathSkullY]

@@ahmedkhan7195 What's the big idea? The comment section is a feature to further talk about the topic related to the video. I'd much rather see people discussing with paragraphs than making vulgar overused jokes, that way it's much more informative.

[@gdolson9419]

Once upon a time ... I ran the infamous grenade range you see in military videos. I've seen thousands of grenades explode, as the UK expert said you get a puff of smoke (mostly dust because the topsoil has been pulverized by hundreds of grenades) and I've never seen a fireball.

[@Gigabitz]

I'm impressed... at how you managed to stretch this topic to over ten minutes

[@xeroabyss9597]

0:12 Bottom right. 30+ years, and it still makes me chuckle 🤭

[@lukewind13]

Byzantine empire, 700 BC-..Something doesnt add up here.

[@todd3458]

@Dusan Ljubic Might have meant 700 AD or perhaps not the Byzantine Empire...also the Chaldean Empire is sometimes referred to as the 2nd Babylonian Empire so it could have been that, but that didn't start until 625 BC. Rome was an insignificant city-state in 700 B.C. so...

[@albogypsy2842]

Byzantine empire definitely didn't exist in 700 BC.... and Mills bomb was not the first modern hand grenade either...

[@gus7814]

I think he had 5 mins to scour the Wikipedia page and didn't give a toss.

[@Bull_10RR]

I've been told a first person account about grenade cooking, by a long time family friend who was a Comando officer in Angola during the portuguese colonial war in the 60s and 70s. It was commonplace for more experienced soldiers within the Comando forces to cook the grenades for just under 2 seconds, then throwing it in a high arc, This would usually result in the grenade exploding at or close to head/chest height, thus enhancing the fragmentation effect of defensive grenades (with ball bearings inside the shell). This makes it less effective to get down prone to avoid catching shrapnel, as it would expose more surface area. Thus making the most efficient way to avoid bullets (laying prone) highly likely to result in taking shrapnel. Remember this was a war fought in jungles with vegetation that made it hard to get clean shots on the enemy, hence frags were a massive source of enemy casualties.

[@sadpee7710]

dang that's messed up

[@rickarzy9548]

@day of defeat: picking up a grenade and throw it back, cook the grenade was alread available in the pre source releases of DoD reaching back to 2000. I have been playing that game since the early beta releases and that feature existed when there even had been no source engine released

[@dylonbangss2804]

The beer sip was great

[@b.p.emma.]

10:01 just some wholesome father and son “hitler training nazi soldier” roleplay

[@jakeschnare3120]

What was that from?

[@mountvernon5267]

@@jakeschnare3120 JoJo Rabbit. Looks like a very good movie!

[@kayak2hell]

@@mountvernon5267 It's an outstanding movie.

[@syweb2]

I mean, that movie takes place in Nazi Germany, so...

[@b.p.emma.]

@@syweb2 whoa really 😳

[@N2Omax1]

The Byzantine empire didn't exist in 700 BC

[@Sirius1914]

Good. It should've never existed.

[@m33tballa]

@@Sirius1914 what? Why lol

[@Sirius1914]

@@m33tballa I prefer the Iranians and Carthaginians personally

[@Khaos768]

Yeap, he meant AD.

[@abrahamwashington8579]

@@Khaos768 lol in the bible jesus talking about hand grenades

[@tex2163]

Dude! That NIN print behind you! MAD.

[@wookyoftheyear]

OMG Day of Defeat! Didn't expect to see that called out. That brings me back.

[@jacksonlarson6099]

I want to start an explosives revolution. It's time we start treating explosives with the respect they deserve, and realistic grenades are only the beginning. Back before the days of video games and CG effects, film makers were limited to practical effects for their explosions. This meant they had to set off actual explosives to get the right look. However, actual explosives are, unsurprisingly, quite dangerous. So instead film makers would use low pressure fuel explosions: essentially they would squirt some gas mist into the air and light it on fire. This creates the distinctive fireball we now see just about everywhere in movies and games (as most video games model their explosions off of the ubiquitous movie effect rather than the real thing). This small, swirling fireball that dissipates in two seconds and leaves everything outside of its fiery perimeter unscathed is not at all what an actual high pressure explosive looks like. Luckily, you're on KZbin, and you can find plenty examples of bombs and rockets exploding, but I'll provide a brief description anyway. First, rather than a swirling fireball there is a flash. Following this flash is the actual damage dealer of the explosive: the massive shockwave. Finally, there should be a huge plume of smoke, dust, and raining debris that will linger in the air for several minutes, not several seconds. Given the incredible state of modern special effects and video game rendering, I think it's time we start using actual, realistic, and much more deadly explosives in our pop media. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

[@Misack8]

*Applause*

[@stalerice9470]

Bravo

[@GaryHamad]

*Applause* *Whistles*

[@ye_olemilkman5689]

ok

[@TheGeneralDisarray]

Some games are already doing this, check out Squad

[@fi77er]

While I was in the military (Australian Army) I was told you could lie next to an exploding grenade and survive. I then met a retired solider who had done it and left him partly deaf (medical discharge).

[@cericat]

Yeah, the concussive force from the explosion can pop your eardrums on its own, that can be a permanent hearing loss but loud noises also damage the hairs that are part of how we hear. However, the choice between becoming deaf and dead is pretty clear most of us will choose deaf. If you're lucky most of the shrapnel and blast is deflected over you because you're so close to the ground.

[@nagapandian]

Yeah if you jump away from the grenade and your feet are facing the grenade there’s a pretty low chance of it hitting you

[@seraphina985]

@@nagapandian Also seems to me that the most exposed areas that would likely take a hit if you do still get unlucky are likely to be much more survivable wounds. Feet and legs are much easier to repair or even if necessary replace with prosthetics than the vital organs located in the chest and head.

[@felipealarcon4622]

Wow who could've guessed just like in battlefield, I feel like this guy's know nothing about games.

[@aninjateam1660]

Thanks for defending our country you are a hero

[@NexuJin]

My most epic moments with grenades in video games was winning a game of 5v5 using 2 grenades that killed the entire other team during an official match while the match was being streamed with shoutcaster.

[@privateerbouncher9622]

"It is only when you let go of the handle, that this grenade goes boom!"

[@Lin-ij9vk]

Remember that a lot of military weapons and equipment are designed in a way that specifically prevents literally everything you'd see in the movies (wouldn't want a grenade pin be loose enough your teeth can yank it off and you clearly don't want any gun fire to set off an explosion. it's why we don't use Dynamites in combat after all)

[@amgames5638]

As a game developer at 8:35, the main reason for this is ease of programming and performance. It takes a bit more to program the trajectory of every piece of shrapnel, and at a relatively heavy cost to performance. For... Well, little payoff, who's gonna be like, wow! The grenades actually calculate the trajectory of the shrapnel! lol

[@AsukaLangleyS02]

Players of Tarkov and Arma do.

[@memeunist6073]

@@AsukaLangleyS02 true lol

[@rhysmodica2892]

Not gonna lie, I would. I was wondering if games did that at any point. I'm glad to know that there are ones that do.

[@LordTrashcanRulez]

Not an FPS but CDDA *technically* simulated this, a grenade fires a lot of small bullets.

[@LastGoatKnight]

Oooh, the granade backthrow. I cannot tell how many times saved my teammates and myself with this game feature

[@RM97800]

Keep in mind that Stielhandgranate aka german stick grenade is not a frag (shrapnel) grenade, but HE grenade. It works more like cs:go grenade and had longer fuse time (7,5s) so that's where stories of soldiers throwing back grenades originate from.

[@DiggyDougSauce94]

The only real life example I've ever seen of ANY grenade getting thrown back was a dude in full on swat gear tossing a tear gas grenade back at a riot squad. That shit was insane.

[@rudysmith1445]

Why was the SWAT guy throwing it at the Riot squad? Was he actually a SWAT officer or just a random guy?

[@Ashley-1917]

@@rudysmith1445 Just a guy in the crowd who came prepared

[@Armand10ify]

Oh yeah and a guy swatted a gas grenade back with a tennis racket

[@DastardlyDawar]

@@Armand10ify Wii tennis got a whole lot darker.

[@HippieInHeart]

@Holger H. no need to be rude, dude.

[@lknanml]

We threw a few grenades in basic training. Everyone is very intense and the explosions are very underwhelming. You don't see your own throws but watching others from the bunker windows is where the underwhelming comes into play. Although you did hear shrapnel hit the roof now and again. They are no joke when it comes to damage but it's one of the most overplayed effects in movies and TV. Firing the Mk19s on the other hand is bang on.

[@drozdood9]

Never a point where i see a video of a dude firin g an mk19 and don’t think it looks fun af

[@tairneanaich]

BANG on, you say? Sorry I‘ll see myself out

[@mattclarke8791]

Regarding throwing grenades back: it's not like you've really got much to lose if you're close enough to pick it up....

[@msromike123]

not true, you dive on the ground and try to make yourself low to ground, rather than pick it up and have it go off at chest/neck/head height from 18 ins

[@swordsman1_messer]

Reminder that the first shot of WWI was not by Steyr pistol at Archduke Ferdinand and his wife, but by a hand grenade.

[@PiotrWieczorek]

0:42 Byzantine Empire in 700BC? I guess they meant 700AD.

[@inkoalawetrust]

Lol I had too look WAY too much for this comment. I'm surprised that nobody else pointed that out, especially since the Byzantine Empire was pretty damn Christian, so it wouldn't make sense for it to have existed 700 years BEFORE Jesus was even born, plus the Roman Empire which it split off from didn't even exist back then.

[@Zack-xv2yc]

"The pin simply holds the handle in place. It is only when you let go, that this grenade goes BOOM"

[@jaquinhelp7298]

Far cry 6

[@gestaposantaclaus]

Throwing a hand grenade was one of the scariest things I've ever done. Just holding an unpinned explosive device next to your head prior top throwing is scary AF.

[@TheNoodlyAppendage]

Technically you could pick it up and unscrew the fuse . That is number 1 on things ill never try.

[@jimmy12347654]

Yeah if you have time to do that you have time to do literally anything else.. probably doing nothing would be a better option than picking it up 😅

[@finestindianscribe7527]

Insurgency sandstorm be like "hold my beer".

[@andrewlebus4850]

Escape from Tarkov be like "hold my vodka" (ive played both and theyre equally great imo)

[@CollinYoung]

best grenade simulation of most games IMO

[@gunterchain]

@@CollinYoung Tarkov has the best grenade mechanics hands down. Fragmentation is realistic; the fragments can travel great distances, can ricochet, and are scattered quite accurately as well. Each fragment is its own object and loses velocity over time.

[@LerzBerz333]

@@gunterchain and shotguns can head eyes from 100 meters

[@MannyXVIII]

în essence: frag granades were made to kill, not to look good doing so.

[@crayonchomper1180]

function over fashion, the true military way

[@rusadinurima7260]

All those books while talking casually about grenades... 😆

[@Sirdoolan]

I don’t really know why I enjoyed you drinking an IrnBru so much, actual belly laughs. 🤣

[@ey7290]

Slow Mo Guys did a test, for a fraction of a second there was a visible explosion, way too slow for the human eye to pick up at regular speed

[@stikfigz]

You can see the flash sometimes. Source: Have seen flash

[@stikfigz]

It's certainly small, its very quick and you do miss it a lot of the time.

[@ingvarsaft8461]

It depends if the gases from the explosion ignite or not. Sometimes it combusts like an afterburner and creates a clear flash, sometimes not. U.S hand grenades are filled with a mixture of RDX and trinitrotoluene which detonates at about 8000m/s. That is about 10 times the speed of a bullet out of an M4, so yeah it's a quick f*****g explosion!

[@jaydondeese4355]

Throwing grenades is the scariest thing ever the first time you do it😂 shakes your insides

[@okeynorcutt3148]

Yes it is.

[@The_Opinion_of_Matt]

I found it feeling very surreal standing there holding the grenade while waiting for the instructors directions. Here's this little thing sized and shaped like a baseball that will destroy me if I fuck up.

[@Chris_Silverhaze]

"When you're cooking a grenade..........I don't know what gas mark it would go on" Lol

[@JanKowalski-rd7yb]

Nice vid, though you kinda forgot to mention, that not all grenades are "frag" i.e. fragmentation grenades, which actually makes a lot of difference in the battlefield. I'm not talking about special purpose grenades, like incendiary or CS gas grenades, just about those "explosive" ones. What I mean is that not all of them have fragmentation matrices. It can be kind of confusing, since modern grenades tend to have smooth outer shell, while the actual fragmentation matrix is inside (unlike the iconic F1 "pineapple"). However, there are two main "modifications": offensive mod and defensive mod. A typical fragmentation grenade is a "defensive mod". This type of grenade holds small amount of explosives, but kills with shrapnel from the fragmentation matrix. It is called "defensive", because that's how it is supposed to be used - thrown from a secure position, like outside the window from a building, or trench, from behind a wall et c. That is because these grenades most often have larger kill radius, than the maximum throw range of even a very strong man. And you don't want to kill yourself with it too, so you need a safe spot to hide right after the throw... The "offensive mod" is the opposite. Such grenade has no fragmentation matrix, the outer shell is thin and also creates little to no shrapnel. Any shrapnel it may create comes mostly from the place, where grenade exploded (dirt, stones, concrete).Instead, it holds a lot more explosives than fragmentation grenade. .It kills with a shockwave, which is arguably worse than being killed by shrapnel. The force of the blast can basically rip apart your internal organs with little damage to your body from outside. Most often the shockwave destroys lung tissue, which causes lungs to fill with liquid, and then effectively you drown... Which is why I always laugh at those action movie scenes, where protagonists casually walk away, while a grenade (or other kind of explosives) goes off right behind their backs... Anyway, the "offensive mod" is called that, because you can use it during an open assault, i.e. throw it in the open field in the same direction you are currently moving, because it has smaller kill radius, than the maximum range of throw. I'm not up to date with modern technology, but historically there were grenades, which could serve in both roles. If I'm not mistaken, russian RGD-33 grenades were cylinder-shaped, and normally these were "offensive mods", but you could put on them additional fragmentation matrix in a form of a "sleeve", turning them into "defensive mod". Also, other things, that video games and - most often - action movies don't get right: grenades are never being transported in a ready-to-use state, that's just too dangerous. Fuzes are being transported separately, and only after reaching their destination fuzes are being screwed into actual grenade body. Another hilarious thing is people in movies trying to save themselves from the explosion in water, by diving into said water... While water would certainly brake the shrapnel pretty quick, the shockwave would kill you MORE effectively than on the ground, because of the difference in medium density. In laymans terms, grenade exploding on the ground at a set distance may leave you unharmed, but the same grenade exploding at the same distance underwater may kill you.