How Golf Handicap is Calculated | World Handicap System Explained

[@denverdyerTPWA]

Best explanation of calculating a cap on the Tube. Will be using the 40% rule in our tournament capping. Long and straight bro. Cheers.

[@LetsPlayThru]

Awesome, glad to help :)

[@ChiliDippaGolf]

Great breakdown and explanation of how to calculate this! I've always been a little confused on how slope and conditions come into play. Great video Gabe!

[@LetsPlayThru]

Thank goodness for apps, I have a lot more appreciation for them now

[@jrockwing]

Yeah it was a bit more complex than I knew. Very good video Gabe!!

[@LetsPlayThru]

Honestly, I was pulling my hair out putting this video together

[@jrockwing]

@@LetsPlayThru I bet, but you organized it very well!

[@Specifye]

This is the best explanation on KZbin by miles!!!! Thanks Gabe

[@rogeliomedina4439]

Well explained. Try to establish my Handicap Index in order for me to join local clubs competition or Golf Tournament. Thank You for the good information.

[@LetsPlayThru]

Thanks so much, my pleasure

[@geoffcohen613]

In Australia we play stableford scoring for most comp rounds at clubs= 36 points means playing to handicap. holes are rated same as you describe. with stfd there is no adjusted gross as once you go 2 over the net par pick up for no points. works really well here for club golfers and everyone understands it. The national computer system works out your Golf Australia index and the daily course handicap, and adjusts after every round. 8 flag rounds (best 8) are used to calculate GA. if play a match at club level then just play on who score best stfd points on that hole. easy. If play handicap match at interclub level use difference in daily handicap and shots are calculated on match play index which is different index than stroke index.

[@LetsPlayThru]

I like that format. My weekly games at my club here in the US use stableford as well.

[@man0mule]

okay. newbie here, i do not have a handicap yet. how the eff do you know if you can take a stroke on a hole?

[@mahmoodbhamji6279]

I am new at watching golf on tv. I don't seem to go beyond the elementary understanding of tv commentary birdies pars and bogeys on a given hole, . I don't know how other figures mean. But now a little more. (Never been to a golf course). Thank you.

[@bathman6366]

Amazing breakdown! I particularly DON'T like the Net Bogey element. All of us have had a 10 on the card at some point learning this great game - and I don't think limiting bad errors to double bogey scores motivates a beginner to get out on the range to improve. A 10 would make me hit 50 balls to check where I was going wrong.

[@imCurveee]

You have to remember that a handicap is a representation of a players BEST scoring potential, not their average scoring potential. Hence why blow up holes are limited by the net double bogey rule. On a day where the golfer is playing at their best (i.e. playing to their handicap), they likely wouldnt have any big blow up holes, or at least not as many. Having said that, I don't particularly like the rule either. I keep an Excel file where I manually track my scores and handicap, and I choose not to "net double bogey" adjust my scores. In my case, my handicap is more a representation of my average scoring potential rather than a representation of my best scoring potential. My "real" handicap is probably lower than what I calculate, but I'm not a member of a club and don't have a true handicap.

[@SeeEssPerez]

Great explanation!

[@DanMasey]

Amazing video. Very helpful.

[@jasonkelley6185]

Super clear. Appreciated!

[@CostaMesaPhotography]

Was curious about the Course Handicap part of the video (in your example, your index of 5.5 went up to 7)... Wouldn't the Course Rating and the course Slope already account for how hard or easy a course was when determining a person's handicap index? Why would your index (and those of your playing partners) need to be further adjusted by Course Handicap??

[@MilesMartinGolf]

This is crazy. I just my stuff in an app. I didnt knownit was this complex behind the scenes.

[@LetsPlayThru]

It’s insane

[@JobuRum]

I had no idea this is how it works. I always thought the humber just gets shaved from the total score.

[@stryderpreside]

Ok. AGS. You mentioned net bogey and how it applies holes your getting a stroke on. But how do you know which holes you get a stroke on if you don’t have a handicap index yet which is presumably why your doing all this tracking in the first place. You need an HI to get a course handicap to get AGS so you can get a score differential that will be used to figure your HI which you don’t have yet. How do you get this machine rolling in the first place?

[@LetsPlayThru]

Great point. It’s like a “chicken or the egg” thing. Hopefully someone smarter than me can chime in. I assume you’d just stick with double bogey max until you establish, but that’s just a guess.

[@diogeneslantern18]

@@LetsPlayThru I haven't found anything that specifically states what one's very first handicap is (for your first round ever) but since the maximum is 54 one would assume that it is the point of departure. Anyway, you will automatically get a handicap index after your first round is entered based on your differential for that round; then there is a tiered structure of progressively using more differentials (your best 2 in you first 6 rounds; then best 3 for 7 and upwards; up to the standard "best 8 of your last 20" rounds) to calculate your "true" handicap index once you've completed 20 rounds.

[@diogeneslantern18]

Sorry, as a correction - in South Africa we also use the USGA/World Handicap system, although I got a handicap index from my very first differential. I see that on the other hand the USGA requires 54 holes to be played.

[@LetsPlayThru]

@@diogeneslantern18 yes I think every country is a little different - and that seems weird since this whole system was supposed to standardize things.

[@gripitripitchipit]

Great video Gabe. I understood the concept of the handicap for the most part but you going into detail with the course rating and slope and such with the actual formula makes it much more detailed and understandable. My question is, for the handicap calculation, does the GHIN system adjust for the max double bogey, or adjusted gross score automatically or are you suppose to report the adjusted gross score to them. I have always just reported my actual gross score. Say if I shoot a 90 on a par 72 course, I put in 90. But that score of 90 might have come at the expense of a blow up hole where I score a 7 on a par 3 hole which would be a quad bogey. Am I suppose to be adjusting that to be a net double and then reporting that adjusted score 88 to GHIN for handicap calculation purposes, or am I doing it correctly by reporting the 90?

[@LetsPlayThru]

Great question. In the GHIN app you can either enter a total score or enter hole-by-hole. It’s recommended you go hole-by-hole for exactly the reason you are asking. If you just enter a total then you’ll need to make those net double adjustments before you enter the total.

[@gripitripitchipit]

@@LetsPlayThru Oh wow. I have been doing it wrong. I have seen the hole by hole but have just never used it. I will start doing that from now on or doing the adjustment first. Thanks for the info. Very informative. I am pretty sure just about every golfer could use this info.

[@LetsPlayThru]

@@gripitripitchipit happy to help 😀

[@thebackyardgolfer7010]

In Italy we are still running the old handicap system, it was so complicated that Italians needed more time 😁, but from 2021 this new system will be effective. I’m not sure if it will average my new handicap from my last best 8 of 20 rounds in 2020 or if I have to wait until I start playing in 2021 🤔

[@LetsPlayThru]

Unfortunately can’t say this will be any easier. Don’t quote me on it, but it should use your 2020 scores.

[@thebackyardgolfer7010]

@@LetsPlayThru I'll wait and see what they'll give on January 2021

[@diogeneslantern18]

@@thebackyardgolfer7010 if you already have a handicap it is automatically converted.

[@thebackyardgolfer7010]

@@diogeneslantern18 I know, mine just converted for the worst.....

[@diogeneslantern18]

@@thebackyardgolfer7010 extra shots 😜🤙

[@TerminatorGolf]

Interesting to remember for Net Double Bogey and Plus Handicaps.....strokes are ADDED to holes IN REVERSE! E.g. As a +1 handicap, I can only make the maximum of a Bogey on the #18 handicap (easiest) hole!!

[@LetsPlayThru]

Oh yeah, that’s wild

[@mrroslie]

Great explanation... Thanks...

[@LetsPlayThru]

Glad it was helpful!

[@vcdgolfsociety]

Great video. I'm still trying to find a video which explains how to calculate a Score Differential for 9 holes. Simply a case of doubling or halving certain numbers ? Any help would be appreciated.

[@LetsPlayThru]

What you’ll do in that case is simply hold your score until you play another 9 holes and you’ll add those two together.

[@vcdgolfsociety]

@@LetsPlayThru Thanks for the response, but is that correct ? I know in the UK that you have to declare 9 holes prior to play, so I'd be surprised if that was how the official Score Differential is calculated. What if you never play the other 9 ? What if you play later in different conditions ? I just assumed there was a way to calculate for 9.

[@noeltreasure5345]

@@LetsPlayThru tks for your video great breakdown ,I mostly play 9/12 holes (lack of time)so, I don't agree on 9 hole add-ons to calculate hcap index...can be equated to Playing 18- the back nine is a different ball game especially as it gets warmer n you get tired!! They have to come out with a system for this...probably adjustment in pcc.. I can say from experience I have personally lost out on this..!

[@Q-Bits8]

what's the difference between "adjusted gross score" and "net score"? Example: If I'm a 12 Hcp and I shoot 8 at a Par 4 with Stroke-Index 7, I get one stroke on that hole. So gross score is 8, adjusted gross score is 7 with the net double bogey rule and now I can further subtract 1 for the net score (then being 6?) because of the 1 stroke I gained? Or can't I? But then adjusted gross score would just be the same as net score?

[@streamleazefishhouse]

I'm really glad the WHS has made this game so much more accessible to everyone........ FYI I'm British, so that was slightly sarcastic... Sorry just realized even my explanation of me being sarcastic had sarcasm in it... Forgive me I can't help it..

[@LetsPlayThru]

🤣🤣🤣

[@richardharrold4357]

Thank you.

[@casperchazz]

When playing in a non sanctioned senior “association “ , we play a stableford type scoring. However, we are “allowed” a club length to move the ball before each shot. Among many other, “real golf infractions “, such as 3ft gimme putts, these scores were being turned in as “real “ scores. Totally affecting handicap. Even after being told not to turn them in as legitimate scores. Therefore, my handicap index is far too low. Not only that but forcing me to play off of a 6 handicap from white tees when I established handicap from the shorter senior gold tees. I’ll be going to the okie scramble this summer where their senior tees are 1000 yards longer than our senior tees. How will this be modified there for this type of situation? I wish it were more like bowling where each year you start fresh for handicap. Thanks

[@LetsPlayThru]

That sounds like a bit of a mess indeed. When you play from tees further back you will likely get more strokes. If the slope and course rating is harder, it adjusts accordingly.

[@DoubleBogeyBass]

Man so much goes into it! So glad I don't have to calculate it myself lol, I'm terrible at math.

[@LetsPlayThru]

Likewise! Failed it 3 times in college

[@johndurbin1943]

The adjusted gross score is confusing to some people. You may only be able to take a double (for handicap purpose only). I've played with some guys and have used this as being a max score. Yes, I would tell them that is true for handicap purpose only, during a round you still must record all strokes, for a the round. They try to argue, that if they only are allowed a 6 on a par 4, then that is the max they can get, even though the have hit a couple in the water or OB and is lying 6 200 yards from the hole. Great video, and thanks for taking this subject on. It's always like some kind of voodoo magic to work it out. As a side note, is Carrollwood a private course?

[@LetsPlayThru]

You’re right John. Still need to record each shot on the card. Yes Carrollwood is private.

[@Klubbverkstan]

Great video. It seems the course handicap tables on all UK courses give a scratch golfer a zero course handicap from all tees, whereas all handicap tables in Sweden give a scratch golfer different course handicaps from the different tees, which to me makes sense since the scratch golfer would need more shots from the championship tees and need fewer from the forward tees. Why is it not that way on courses in the UK. Both countries are on the WHS, both use course and slope ratings. But the course handicap tables seem to be systematically different, with the UK ones not making any sense to me.

[@duxbury2002]

I put a score in on Sunday, it was not good enough to be in my top 8. But.... I got a 0.3 increase in my handicap. So something other than the top 8 cards counted. Is these something other than the top 8 that actually make a change to your handicap?

[@LetsPlayThru]

Probably one of your older scores dropped off

[@duxbury2002]

@@LetsPlayThru nope, still have the same 8 cards as before.

[@duxbury2002]

Did some digging and in addition to the 8 card rule, your local handicap committee can also amend your handicap “if they believe it is wrong”. This seems strange to me, 8 out of 20 seems perfectly fine to me.

[@jbboyle6994]

ok how do i mark my card with the amount of strokes i recieve as a 26.3 index? im guessing i get 1 per each hole and then the remaining gets assigned to the hardest holes on the card? am i close?

[@LetsPlayThru]

Yes spot on, but make sure it’s not just your index, but what your course handicap is.

[@HawaiiDailyReport]

hi how are you My friend, I hope your channel will always remain a good channel and I will always support And always be healthy and pray for your channel to revive👍😍😍

[@LetsPlayThru]

Thank you - likewise

[@GregKortmanGolf]

I’m afraid to know what mine is! I vaguely understood the slope and rating before and now I know what it’s used for. Thanks for the headache, Gabe! 😂

[@LetsPlayThru]

Haha, my pleasure 😇

[@johnmiller8155]

Don’t forget the “outstanding round” part of this. If you shoot a good round such that your differential is more than 5 strokes better than your index, they reduce all of your previous differentials by one stroke effectively reducing your index by another stroke. I would like to see the study that says this handicap system is fair to high handicap golfers. That is, how often does a high handicap golfer beat a lower handicap golfer. Most of my golfing competitions is stroke play and this handicapping system seems to me to be very unfair for that type of play.

[@bartikantonelli1091]

If both golfers are keeping legitimate handicap indexes then a high handicap golfer has the same chance to beat the low handicap golfer as the other way around. That's exactly what handicaps do. If you are not seeing this, maybe people are not keeping legitimate handicap indexes. I'll often play in outings where not everyone in the field has an official (GHIN in the US) handicap index. And when you ask a person who does not have one what he estimates his handicap index to be, most want to inflate that number as the tendency is to do a mental averaging of recent rounds. Of course, that is not how a real handicap index is calculated. So you might get someone who says he has a 10 handicap index because he's recently shot 78, 82, 86, 80, 84, etc., when his real handicap index might be a 6 when calculated correctly using the 8 best scores of the last 20 rounds. And if there is money on the line, he'll tell you he's a 12. In our bar league at the local muni, we mandate doing hole-by-hole score entry for all rounds in the GHIN app and penalize people who do not - those who do get a 100% playing handicap; those who do not only get an 80% playing handicap. With this method, we regularly get between 80-90% of the field coming in at par +/- 3 for nine holes. But sure there will always be variance on any given round. We've had a golfer with a course handicap of 3 shoot a gross 2-under-par one week and the same golfer shoot an 8-over-par another week.

[@GarageGolf]

Yep I'm no rocket scientist. It has been confirmed!! Lol. Great video. I think I'll just stick with an app!!

[@LetsPlayThru]

Great idea, 🤣

[@angrybuzzy]

It may be obvious but Equitable Stroke Control (ESC) is only for adjusting the score you enter for your round for handicap purposes. If your actual round score was 110 then you shot 110. After applying ESC your adjusted score for the handicap system might be considerably lower. But you still shot 110. ;-)

[@bartikantonelli1091]

Haha, it's anything but obvious to many it seems. I've been in more than one competition (e.g., medal play for money, albeit handicapped) where a player has picked up his ball before holing out and said, "Put me down for [net double bogey]." You would not believe the amount of blowback I got when I said, "No. You have to finish out the hole." If you shoot a 13 on a hole, you put a 13 on your scorecard. And like you said, you only do a net double bogey calculation when entering your score for handicap purposes.

[@wethefoodsnobs4667]

PCC is calculated after a minimum of 8 players submit a score for that day. Is there anywhere to see how many people have submitted a score that day to confirm if the PCC was actually 0 or they've just not had enough data?

[@LetsPlayThru]

I REALLY wish there was. If you find it, lmk

[@amatya.rakshasa]

Great video! I wonder if the app you're using has courses in other parts of the world as well.

[@LetsPlayThru]

This is the USGA GHIN app. It didn’t use to, but it does now.

[@amarug]

I am new and it is very confusing to me why the slope/course rating gets LOWER the farther the teeboxes are? Should't a scratch golfer play better from blue than from white? What am I missing?

[@bartikantonelli1091]

The changes in rating/slope from tee box to tee box varies from course to course. That said, most courses I've played have INCREASING rating/slope as you move from the up tees to the back tees. In general, a scratch golfer (or any golfer) should play better from the white tees than the blue tees. (Additionally, there might be an argument as to whether a scratch golfer *should* play from the white tees.) To oversimplify a bit: the closer you are to the pin, the easier the shot, generally. For example, take a hole plays 380 from the white tees and 405 from the blue tees. Say a scratch golfer hits a 270 yards drive. The second shot from the white tees would be 110 yards and the second shot from the blue tees would be 135 yards. If that same golfer takes direct aim at the pin with his second shot but leaves the clubface open only 2.5 degrees, he will end up 14.4 feet left/right of the hole from 110 yards, but 17.7 feet left/right of the hole from 135 with the same shot. So the longer a ball travels on a wayward trajectory, the farther from the target it will end up. All other things being equal, the PGA leader to one-putt from the 10 to 15 foot range is about 44%; whereas the PGA leader to one-putt from the 15 to 20 foot range drops off to 30%. So the shot coming in from 110 will result in a birdie just under half of the time; whereas the shot coming in from 135 will result in a birdie just under a third of the time. And that is just the trigonometry of the shot. Add to that shorter clubs are generally easier to hit for most people and a gap wedge from 110 yards will likely end up better than a pitching wedge from 135 yards.

[@geoffcohen613]

Computerised scoring systems take car of all the calculation. All need to know is your GA. Think in US its called GHIN numer. Computer does rest.

[@ycombine1053]

The net double bogey rule is very odd to me. Is it designed to keep people's handicaps more stable? Like what is the purpose of it?

[@LetsPlayThru]

My guess is to limit sandbagging

[@jeffpascoe225]

Can you explain PCC

[@LetsPlayThru]

If it was a crazy windy/rainy day for instance, and on average it led to all the players that day playing well above their handicap, they might make the course handicap a little bit different. It’s seemingly completely subjective though…🤯

[@diogeneslantern18]

With respect, I'm of the view that you may have glossed over the significance (and calculation) of course handicap. People MUST understand that their Handicap Index is a variable to use when calculating their Course Handicap. You play your round of golf using your _course handicap_ and not you HI

[@LetsPlayThru]

Thanks for the input. As you know, the calculation for course handicap is derived from the slope and rating. But what goes into rating a course is a calculation only the USGA, R&A and other governing bodies can decide. I figured that was beyond the scope of what goes into calculating a handicap.

[@diogeneslantern18]

@@LetsPlayThru I agree on disregarding the determination of course and slope rating for the purposes of this video. However, players should know that they play a round with their Course Handicap (and not HI), and they should be taught how to calculate it before a round. Honestly I think the formula should be printed on every scorecard.

[@LetsPlayThru]

@@diogeneslantern18 agreed, maybe a good topic for another video

[@atfinthehouse8631]

Can’t you build a formula into an excel spreadsheet to calculate golf handicap?

[@LetsPlayThru]

You could, or better yet, there are many apps that will track it. Just wanted to show how complicated the system is. 😃

[@bartikantonelli1091]

If you are talking about using it to create a handicap index, it would be more work than using GHIN. Plus you would have to trust the person did the calculations correctly. Having a handicap index in GHIN makes everything more official and transparent. If you are talking about calculating a course/playing handicap based off an established handicap index, I do prefer to use an Excel formula when organizing events where players can choose their tees. For example, if someone has a 14.9 handicap index, he might get a course handicap of 16 from the white tees. If that same 14.9 golfer chooses to play from the tips, he might get a course handicap of 20. Likewise, if that 14.9 golfer wants to play from the up tees, he might only get a course handicap of 11. In the Excel sheet, you can just abbreviate the tee colors with "T" (tips/black), "B" (blue), "W" (white), "G" (gold), etc. Then do an INDEX/MATCH to plug in the rating/slope/par from that set of tees and calculate the course handicap from whichever tees the player chooses. The GHIN app can also do this, but I find it a little clunky to change tees when dealing with a larger playing field. In case anyone is wondering, letting players pick their preferred tees can be very fun as it lets the players choose to play from the back tees (and more strokes) and still hit bombs, or choose to play from the up tees (and fewer strokes) and focus on making scoring shots. I've found that even within a range of handicap indexes, say 12 to 18, you can have players of widely varying skills. You might have golfer A with a 14.9 handicap index who can hit monsters off the tee but has no short game and you might have golfer B with a 14.9 handicap index who can only carry 200 yards off the tee but is an ace around the green.

[@jsweat67]

Nope, no chance I am gonna try to figure this out!! I don't believe in math!! I do appreciate the lesson though.

[@LetsPlayThru]

Ha, don't blame you!

[@mkblues6679]

Great video, no wander WHS has had so much criticism in UK, system is over complicated , as I played in old system I understand it from your workings out but what you missed off was even when you work out what your handicap is you then have to then play to 90 or 95% for competitions. I'm not a fan of new WHS and picking 8 best scores is not realistic, I am now 15 off my white tees but never get to play off this as the 5% or 10 % off takes me to 14. Overly complicated system for average golfers.

[@LetsPlayThru]

Totally agree. In fairness I rely on an app to calculate it, but figured it’s worth dissecting what goes into that calculation. Truly bizarre!

[@abhishek231090]

You video is really great. I want to more Can you pls make me understand more about score calculation We can Skype Pls really needed

[@mariepardey4933]

Why did they make something that was previously simple into a complex calculation! Marie (Scotland)😞

[@LetsPlayThru]

Totally agree!

[@pixelotix]

Taking more variables into account can make the handicap more equitable. This isn’t something you need to calculate manually, you just record your scores and it updates.

[@edmurphy671]

You missed going over the "Playing Handicap"

[@jrockwing]

Fun fact: the person who says “first” hasn’t watched the entire video yet. 😐☺️

[@paulgolfer]

I do not care , my handicap is 16.0 not 11, I hear you well now ladies can play any tee so can males, in a competition we have to give ladies 3 shots then your WHS decide that the board knocks one more off BUT THEN THIS 95% KNOCKS ONE MORE OFF , WELL DONE COME JANUARY I MAY MOVE CLUBS SO I WILL FIND OR I WILL STICK HERE BUT SECTIONS I.E. RABBITS OR SENIORS I MAY GIVE UP . FRANKLY I AM FED UP, WELL IN THESE I AM THE LOWEST MAN FINE, BUT WHEN I HIT A GREAT DRIVE AND AN EVEN BETTER 2ND OFF SCRATCH I LOSE OUT BEATEN IN BY MY TEAM MATE WITH SHOTS , AND THEN DUE TO THIS I GET A CHANCE BUT CAN NOT TAKE IT BECAUSE ITS MY FIRST CHANCE MAYBE ON THE 12TH HOLE. OF SAY THE 10 MATCHES OF WHICH 8, I WAS LOWEST MAN SO NO SHOTS DOES NOT SEEM FAIR, BUT I AM OK WITH THAT ITS I FEEL NOT A PART OF THE PROCEEDINGS . On one occasion I had no shots but had to give 18 now in my book that meant birdie on 8 holes except this guy hit every par 5 in 3 every par 4 in 2 every par 3 in one , we lost 7 and 6.

[@theniceneighbor]

You write some uppercase and some lowercase

[@LetsPlayThru]

That's the artist in me I guess. I never liked coloring inside the lines :)

[@virgilmerchant5291]

over 50 years of playing golf. what was so wrong with the old way? 5 rounds and take that Adv. easy.. KISS. Keep It Simple STUPID!

[@bartikantonelli1091]

The simple answer is, it was inaccurate. The reason is that it did not account for mathematical variance. The bigger the sampling size the lower the variance. That's why they don't just poll five people on the street for presidential election polls. Further, I'd argue that it's more simple now: instead of writing your score on the scorecard after each hole, enter it into a handicap app. No maths required.

[@hossboss32]

Oh man , I can't stand handicaps. Too much for me . Haha. I don't care if I'm playing a scratch golfer I'd rather just score everything straight up stroke play non handicapped. Someone's either better than me or not I'm not taking any form of advantage due to having a higher handicap.

[@bartikantonelli1091]

I hope you do not regularly play better golfers for money then. Handicaps reduce the gap between players of different skill. If you (and the person you are playing) keep accurate handicaps then you are not getting any advantage by having a higher handicap.

[@thebackyardgolfer7010]

Wait Donald Trump is a 2 handicap player???🤔🤔🤔

[@LetsPlayThru]

Well, you know....

[@diogeneslantern18]

Well Nicklaus is a 3.6HI so who do you trust?

[@pixelotix]

Well I’m sure he just claims he’s scratch, but never actually provides his scores to the USGA. 😂

[@lftucson]

Read the book Commander In Cheat by former Sports Illustrated Rick Reilly. The truth about Trump golfing handicap. His nickname at one of his clubs is Pele cuz he uses his footwedge frequently.

[@bodhi_isnt_real]

No offense, but I stopped watching because I was so confused and just got a handicap calculator.

[@LetsPlayThru]

Can’t say I blame you. I almost gave up making it.

[@bodhi_isnt_real]

@@LetsPlayThru Love what you guys do on your channel though. Keep it up!

[@LetsPlayThru]

Thanks much appreciated