HOW GOOD ARE THESE ASSASSIN'S CREED UNIVERSES BEYOND CARDS IN cEDH?

[@kylehill]

"Side note: bullshit?"

[@Remlap_MTG]

It’s simple, i see play to win, i watch play to win

[@malcolm.v6]

asap, always haha

[@TheIrrelevantYT]

The process of events is elementary. I see Play to Win, I watch Play to Win, I Play to Win, then I Lose.

[@Odjur]

It’s see, simple i play i win, to watch to play win

[@chasetonspeth8901]

R theses dudes on acid

[@XxGBaNKsHoT]

A thing to note about Alexios is that trample damage is assigned by the controller not the owner. So his trample is basically worthless if players are cooperating since you can still chump him and the attacking player can assign all damage to the creature.

[@ghost64626]

However, I seriously doubt anybody in that pod would be familiar with that rule lol

[@johnnygoodman8262]

Oh man now that I know that I'd mention that every time to my opponents with something like alexios or slicer on the board. Ive been playing for 8 or 9 years and did not know that.

[@Kroxti]

this has come up to me before in a prerelease.

[@MTGLootz]

@@johnnygoodman8262 unfortunately that's because it's not intuitive to work this way and when mtg was released trample actually didn't work this way. Wizards changed the rules to how trample works in 1998 during Urza's Saga block. Frankly speaking it's a bad change to a keyword that should work exactly as you a player would expect it to.

[@profozpin227]

​@@MTGLootzIt's unintuitive yes, but it offers more flexibility. It's the entire reason deathtouch+trample is a powerful combination. I wouldn't agree with it being a bad change unless you dislike a considerable amount of mtg rules interactions that are even less intuitive.

[@thecreed926]

I super appreciate that they never insulted the games. Just that they did not enjoy them as much. Yall are always very positive on the show.

[@Princederbat]

I was thinking the same thing. I've loved every single assassin's creed game, but definitely get that it's not for everyone, but appreciate some acceptance of this set instead of hate on it

[@AZombieWizard]

Apple of Eden is one of those fun cards that's more powerful in cEDH than casual because your opponents will have good cards you may want to cast instead of jank cards built around a theme.

[@Ch1ll4x1n]

That look Dylan gave Cam at 23:36 is too funny

[@gagegriffin8631]

Black Flag is by far my favorite. Best pirate game ever made.

[@davis_swansong]

Loyal Inventor seems like a solid include in Nadu. You often have 1/2 draws without your 0 equip artifacts so this just tutors one of them to the top and lets you draw it. I think it replaces the 2 cost or 3 cost mages in the list.

[@zweis]

Idk how they dodged mentioning Nadu that entire discussion 😂

[@jasonlevesque6340]

"They aren't. Thanks for watching guys."

[@Tryc3]

Shunko

[@jgmclellan]

This set is a stinker for cedh, amazed you guys were able to find 30 min of content, love listening as always

[@franslair2199]

You didn't need to add "for cedh" there

[@bensawmiller3005]

A note on shao jun: it can tap down stax pieces, similar to Urza; so its great with trinisphere/orb effects. It also works really well with curiosity effects, which maybe you also stick in a niv for an additional wincon

[@Princederbat]

For Smoke Bomb I think it works really well for comboing a sac outlet, Kenrith, and Dockside. I have won a few cEDH game recently with Phyrexian Altar, Kenrith, and Dockside. Keep reanimating dockside because it doesnt have shroud in the yard and it protects Kenrith while you combo off

[@AlzahraniSammy]

"Interesting - the Assassin's Creed is a place you go." Killed me 😂😂 Thanks for the video. I'd probably have overlooked all these cards without it.

[@puvifer]

Have been on a binge of your recent videos for the last couple days. Catching a new one is great!

[@cobaltbeau]

With the comments about Desmond, I'm surprised you didn't talk about Senu. In Tymna specifically, it pitches *very* well to Solitude and March of Otherworldly light. At the very least, flying seems superior to menace.

[@frostyknight2380]

I feel like it's not a good idea to play a card only for it to be pitched to either chrome mox or solitude. What if you don't draw anything that pitches it? And when it enters the Battlefield, what does it do? Nothing. What does it do the turn after? Doesn't really matter, the risk for it being a dead card is just too high.

[@cobaltbeau]

@frostyknight2380 once again, I'm comparing it to a card they did mention, Desmond miles. Any tymna deck that he's in, senu is just better

[@asap_woke]

Apple of Eden can also be a way to stop a blue player from countering during your turn while giving yourself access to their countermagic.

[@suburban_squatch]

I always wait to listen your new vids at work which are the only days i cant wait to get to my job lol

[@TheGingertarian]

One major part about Alexios that makes him markedly different from Slicer is that Slicer is *goaded*, but Alexios says he "must attack but *can't* attack his owner". It's not conditional. That means when it finally gets around to you and 1 other opponent, he can't attack you at all. I'm not sure how often that will come into play, but it is something to be considered.

[@bendysbrother7447]

One maybe important thing they forgot is that isu spyglass actually does not have an advantage over mystic forge as far as artifacts are concerned, as mystic forge lets you play colorless spells or artifacts off the top, not just artifacts like i they seemed to think.

[@lancemoore2586]

Alexios does fix Slicer's problem in the 1v1 as it cannot attack it's owner versus being goaded.

[@CarmenPontello-xu6th]

“I think words should mean stuff” is my favorite thing I’ve ever heard Dylan say lmao

[@BR4IN1N4J4R]

Also, a minor note on Alexios: he's a bit harder to remove than Slicer by virtue of being "Not an Artifact," meaning he can stick around that hair longer than Slicer. Slicer is faster and doublestrike is the "stronger" keyword, but built in a Sligh shell, they're both VERY dangerous.

[@verzun8470]

Shao Jun can play the urza stax peices that turn off when tapped...

[@nunesamaniac]

I think the apple is interesting for protecting yourself when you plan to win. You can essentially take all the cards out of the hand of someone you might anticipate would have interaction before you pop off.

[@MEGATR000N]

Crystal skull for elsha could be like if you're running two or three copies of "artifacts cost 1 less to cast" it allows you to play divining top off the top without needed your commander so it's definitely something. Plus it taps for mana so there's also something

[@gabrielgriffith7477]

I have been playtesting Excalibur in my liberator cedh deckk and I have been really liking it.

[@irt3hsaint]

The loyal inventor might be a Nadu card? If you only have say lightning greaves atm, you can loyal inventor for another body, and put your Shuko on to, so you can get the Shuko with a trigger and use the greaves to protect the bird

[@timothygerbig875]

Just a quick point, when interacting with the Thassa's Oracle/Demonic Consultation and bouncing Oracle, the card draw of Escape Detection is not optional. It could cause you to lose the game on the stack, while trying to avoid losing the game on the stack.

[@enoesiw]

It should be noted that both Altair and The Animus exile things with and care about Memory counters. So Altair can make copies of your legendary creatures in exile with memory counters every time he attacks and the Animus can make your Legendary creatures turn into the "assassins" that Altair has exiled.

[@enoesiw]

I don't know if this actually changes anything for CEDH, but it makes my casual brew brain go BRRRRRR

[@tragghyb2673]

Of note with Altair and The Animus, Animus exiles with a memory counter and Altair only cares if they have a memory counter on them. So you can technically use them as a way to make token copies of things like villis razaketh and the like

[@rolandbartelink2332]

Honestly you guys are amazing!!!!🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤

[@bgtmscotty3146]

leonardo da vinci was a cool card i was hoping to see you guys talk about cause it could be played like a mono blue Daretti and because its blue artifact tutors, and card draw and counterspells i think it would be like a really cool alternate urza stax commander

[@piralos1329]

Shao Jun does have some nice utility with curiosity effects! Hitting each opponent with the tap two artifacts thing can let you do some shenanigans!! Also if you wanna get silly, you can always go infinite by using Malcolm and a way of making it a pirate!!

[@oliverbeaumont2298]

It’s super niche, but Layla Hassan works as an additional copy of Lurrus to combo with Displacer Kitten and either Lotus Petal or Lion’s Eye Diamond for infinite mana. Probably not worth it, but may be playable in something like Marneus Calgar.

[@domotoroOfficial]

14:03 THANK YOU! I’m not alone! I have literally quit at least 2 video games I otherwise loved because the driving level was that bad! I am a decent driver in real life, but digital vehicles are a different beast.

[@connorl0204]

25:34 desmond miles is from ac3 and every game prior to it lol he was the “original main character” to me since the franchise is telling a frame story (the modern time is the real story of the franchise, but they use the past time as kind of a plot device to further the real story)

[@stephenkontos812]

What about Loyal Inventor to find time seive for Ed Kenway? hes a pirate & assassin... Tivit shell for Grixis colours? thats the deck im building... You can even thorw that Shao Jun in there for extra damage with the treasure you create. Murderous Redcap is an assassin as well which synergizes for an additional win con as well once you siphon through the deck if theres no interaction (slap on conquerors flail). Just a though!

[@HeyitsNep]

For Shao Jun there can also be ideas for Curiosity effects along with Winter orb effect synergies so I personally wouldn’t write it that low. Though great video as always y’all.

[@DMGtubez]

I'm loving Etali in my kenrith! Won me 3 games recently. I do like evolution witness in the list. I kinda wasn't seeing enough value from e-witness I'm still testing but so far it's paid off

[@gregjones9348]

Lazotep quarry has been surprisingly useful as a visible reanimation threat.

[@Kroxti]

a 5 mana dockside is still a dockside. though I am enjoying it in Ao and Zirda

[@lostlyric5548]

You can also add the assassin that came out in the set that makes all your stuff assassins

[@The0ryz]

Another side use of the Apple, is you can also use it to just Silence someone on your turn. Not like a huge effect, more of a bonus. You have access to their cards and they don't. Very niche overall, but still a little extra on it.

[@Silux_Ray]

Edward is def my new fav time sieve commander

[@coreyspencer3635]

I'm really surprised CEDH players aren't jumping all over this. Grixis Pirates and Time Sieve. Edward just says they have to be tapped, not that hard

[@Silux_Ray]

@@coreyspencer3635 yeah Magda already does the vehicle dwarf thing in mono red so not too difficult to manage especially with black and blue at your disposal now

[@simionion9998]

I love that they just talked about evo wit in a vid about ass creed

[@darthagan]

Loyal Inventor seems interest with tivit, since they can crack the clues to draw it and it finds time sieve

[@skullkrusher-dx4kg]

Im pretty sure the apple goes in oswald and maybe the smokebomb to. With the apple you can steal someones interaction when you try to win if you can guess who has interaction.

[@Momo_pstat4]

Loyal inventor i think for sure goes into elsha since she will just play the top or helm of awakening, and the inventor has some weird applications maybe as you can fimige your inventor since it will get both pieces of the combo online

[@Whothegoat671]

That was actually a good explanation of assassins creed! Living out someone’s past life to solve a present problem. I’m a fan haven’t played all but I would’ve been fine without this set

[@lostlyric5548]

You might be able to swing slicer first but alexios is cheaper in the sense you can turn one him and he will immediately get bigger which can be done off of jeweled lotus and a land

[@MegaTrain]

There is another way to exile cards with memory counters for Altair Ibn-La'Ahad: its The Animus! Still probably a jank combo, and has a different narrow restriction (has to be a legendary creature), but food for thought...

[@baeruttgaming4779]

I looked at all the assassins and if you're playing Evie and Jacob, you'd also probably play Ramses, Assassin Lord as an alternative win con, just in case people Necro, Sylvan Library and / or Mana Crypt themselves too low

[@Clock83131]

One other thing different than slicer is at the point it's a 1 vs 1. Slicer will end up attacking you, while Alexios won't.

[@mylama]

For Smoke Bomb you can Kenny Dockide Loop by sacing/reanimating

[@chrisbedrin3618]

Loyal Inventor would be good for anyone still playing Orvar. Since Orvar is an Assassin it finds your Sapphire Medallion or your Coveted Jewel straight to your hand.

[@timothygerbig875]

Does Smoke Bomb make the cut in Magda? I believe you could use it aggressively and still win with Reckless Fireweaver.

[@meant09]

I have d3 on at least 3 -maybe 4 - platforms. Playing it on the switch might be my favorite. Can’t recommend it enough

[@thomasvconti]

I was surprised you guys did not consider Tax Collector in white. Taxing all spells for a turn seems strong, and it is only for opponents. Any blink strategies can turn him into a serious threat.

[@gmpd4191]

Im super hot on this one too. I am going to try to make it so everyone else has to play with a nether void.

[@turbo_vieja]

as an slicer enjoyer here, you play for the commander damage on slicer, not combat damage in general, so you don't want Alexios, plus it's strenght becomes palpable when turns go by, and slicer decks don't have that time, if players survive, they will overvalue you 100% of the time

[@johnnygoodman8262]

It seems like alexios would do a good job in getting the chump blockers out of the way at the very least.

[@Naustrix]

Rakdos the muscle has been insane with quarry in testing that’s a give in tho (the second ability comes up a lot more then you’d think maybe it’s just my slow grindy pods but)

[@simonandersen7942]

The new free blue counterspell protects a thoracle win right? Cast Thoracle, ETB on stack, hold prio, pact/consult. Pact/consult gets targeted with counter, sac Thoracle for free counter. Profit.

[@hiephielewiep7386]

important to note is that alexios having trample if he is blocked by anyone the player controlling them can ignor trample and put all the damageo n the creature that is blcoking it but i think its still better then sliver as its cheaper and it is already better then sliver after 1 full turn cycle

[@JAKEYWAKEY3hhhh]

Evolution Witness is amazing in my CEDH Voja deck 😅

[@kstandish42]

Notable in that Alexios cannot kill you as the owner of the card, big difference to Slicer. Very good as an include in Winota.

[@dragonman979]

I know vehicles tend to not be cedh viable but I really think the “Jackdaw” should have been brought up in discussion as a viable draw engine, especially in underworld breach decks.

[@jackhenderson369]

Really thought I'd see the Boros one, "Arbaaz Mir" in here. Dockside loops, maybe infect? Just seems good to me, a casual commander enjoyer haha

[@johnnygoodman8262]

Suprised you guys didnt talk about Surtr, Fiery Jotun. Seems like a decent card in blue red artifact decks or Daretti scrap sevant. Probably could even be a commander on its own.

[@CharlotteMimic]

I'm glad you made this episode bc I play Legacy and have no idea wtf is going on in this set.

[@domotoroOfficial]

is the camera work done by voice activation? just curious how you guys do it

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Nope, we go in and edit everything ourselves, no AI involved

[@domotoroOfficial]

@@PlaytoWinMTG Goddamn! That explains why it goes back and forth so smoothly, but that's also a ton of work! Thanks for doing it for us (:

[@andrewfornes5320]

Not Cedh but I have a mono-U Adric, Mathematical Genius deck that loves the new Horizon land. With Training Grounds, I can pay a U and put another land in play. Very niche but I like the land.

[@LordSibe]

Apple of Eden for Magda which could give her access to protection or even engines that didnt get played yet?

[@Kelthulu89]

Diablo III was a ton of fun for someone who just wanted a fun RPG to play. Also Fun! Ranking is my new fave. I love playing fun.

[@tristanlefebvre5344]

One things to remember too alexios is Not ‘’ goaded ‘’ like slicer is i have seen a lot of slicer losing in a 1v1 endgame cuz slicer can’t get through anymore where alexios later in the game can’t attack is owner and still getting stronger each turn

[@jonathanosagie1829]

shao jun is able to break parody on all the artifact stax cards and goes kinda crazy with curiosity so you can play a niv mizzet in there just for the potential outlet

[@kylehill]

A Diablo UB would be AMAZING

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

That’s one I’m sure we’ll get at some point

[@dragonfire72]

When you were talking about when Slicer loses, the word you were looking for was collude.

[@kinginthenorth1437]

They probably were looking for a word that isn't a tournament rules violation.

[@peterthompson4376]

I know there are easier infinite combo's for drawing decks but with infinite mana does Crystal Skull, Isu Spyglass and Sensei's divining top out mean you could draw your entire deck ?

[@david21216]

Is there usually a delay between these being posted and getting into the podcast section of KZbin? I listen to these during work, but don’t see this episode listed in your podcast episodes yet 😢. KZbin is always shitty and only shows command zone under my new episodes tab (even after I get a notification that y’all posted. I just don’t want to forget to download this for next week 👍

[@Hordrasea]

So if it would be a game it would be 1st Basim Polymorph 2 nd Alexios Stax 3 rd Ezio conspiracy 4 th Mary Read and Anne Bonny Septer 4 decks that are different and able to provide wins ?

[@MTGLootz]

Why do you need Kenrith in play for Evolution Witness? LED creates 3 green, Evo Witness has 2 mana proc by itself without Kenny. EvoWit + LED creates infinite mana of any color by itself.

[@Dorion37]

You can only adapt if it doesn't already have +1 +1 counters on it

[@MTGLootz]

@@Dorion37 ah thanks.. didn't know that about adapt... that make it much worse than I originally thought

[@JellemaDilemma]

Why is reflecting pool not played? It seems like a land that 3+ colors would be dying for at any point after turn 1.

[@hunterstrong3318]

Also horizon of progress great dargo card. Especially like rakdos dargo tormod

[@robertomacetti7069]

BUT Animus uses the same memory counters as Altair, so could you exile non assassin cards like dockside extortionist with the Animus to copy it with Altair?

[@markparker2012]

I like Shao Jun in a grixis pirates list to combo w malcom. Just need to make it a pirate.

[@walterppk1989]

The art for loyal inventor is just Feldon at home

[@bipolarbear3743]

No notion of Orvar for Loyal inventor? He's an assassin and he can copy the inventor to get multiple artifacts. Coveted jewel is also the most played wincon in that deck.

[@sergiorovoletto2721]

Its casual but i wanna do the ramses assasins lord ezio combo to kill the table lol

[@OODZUTSU]

I'm surprised y'all weren't higher on Horizon of Progress. I was thinking that its like the 4th best rainbow land we have now and would kick Forbidden Orchard out of being played in the 4-5C piles. I could be wrong.

[@johnnygoodman8262]

That's a tough one I think in decks like tymna or najeela where you want to be actively attacking the horizon land is definitely better. But the spirit is probably inconsequential in most other decks. But the card draw for the horizon land is also really good. Idk

[@christopherlee2828]

Not that I think Orvar is top tier cedh, but Loyal inventor is pretty sweet with him. Orvar is an assassin and then you clone the Inventor for additional fabricates.

[@hunterstrong3318]

Evolution witness and LED in Ghave makes infinite mana, bodies, infinite sized bodies, and recur all permanents in grave infinitely, with infinite sacrifice

[@frostyknight2380]

Changeling Outcast is a great Assassin

[@harrieyeet5663]

You can food chain combo through smokebomb :D

[@alexanderrichardson2686]

I'm surprised they didn't talk about Surtr.

[@zninja12345]

Omg cam the freaking funny ass edits you made this episode was great. If it was Dylan same man 😂😂

[@strahlungsopfer]

don't think smoke bomb is any good but man if that isn't immaculate card design, I love it

[@renevargas4496]

Loyal inventor is getting talked about in orvar since he is an assassin and you can keep coping it

[@BadConAngel]

I like how Ezio Auditore da Firenze reads with something like Ramses, Assassin Lord because it becomes pay WUBRG win the game. I just can’t see how I can get there successfully in a game of cEDH lol.

[@Kroxti]

I cant believe you didnt discuss the new bomberman / dockside loops/etc. Boros commander Arbaaz Mir and instead discussed cards that are in good colors for CEDH.

[@calebgrant2652]

The existence of Play to Win implies the existence of Quit to Lose.

[@AlexAndersonJD]

For Alexios I think you can still assign all the damage to the creature and not trample through