HOW GOOD IS FALLOUT IN cEDH?

[@Eifuh]

Cam described the history of Fire Emblem localization better than he describes most Magic cards, and that made me very happy

[@TheSpunYarn]

"2 guys talk about stuff they don't know anything about" is a great segment. hope we see more of this!

[@healthylife1499]

best line yet!

[@jealousagain783]

No shade to my boys but you’ve pretty much only ever seen this on this channel

[@tristankiel2675]

Michelin offers honorable mentions as well as (in ascending order of quality) one two and three stars

[@TheFewLimited]

LMAO As a lover of the channel, and someone who works in fine dining in NYC this was cracking me up very much so. Thanks for letting them know haha

[@tristankiel2675]

95% of why i love them is they just sound like your friends sitting around bullshitting about stuff. i don't even play cedh I just enjoy the way these guys banter@@TheFewLimited

[@deadpool-yb1pw]

And to take note to @tristankiel2675 comic.

[@deadpool-yb1pw]

And to take note to @tristankiel2675 comic.

[@TankWombat]

@@tristankiel2675absolutely, these guys can chat about the weather and ill watch it. the banter and vibes between them is so good

[@zlwilson21]

I love the discussion around games like Final Fantasy and Fire Emblem. They got there eventually but that initial "Final Fantasy started at 7, right?" had me dying!

[@xXCigarXx]

I feel for anyone who hasent experienced FF6. But 7 is a very high point in the series.

[@sccleong]

Final fantasy 7 is the best one.. *Gasp* you take that back! Final fantasy 6 (3 in the us) is the best one

[@xXCigarXx]

@@sccleong I didnt say either was the best. They are my two favorites though with 8 and 9 coming in second and third if first is a tie.

[@arkknight92]

@@xXCigarXx best ff ever made! I hope that there will be decent cards of our favorite characters from that game. I’m guessing this set will have more stuff for ff7 and everything after it.

[@blaaaarrrrgMTG]

21:41 "My brain is getting, like, all fires are cylindering" made me burst out laughing

[@alecsappenfield8187]

Truly I could watch hours of you two talking about things you think you understand. It happens like once a podcast but it’s normally my highlight.😂

[@healthylife1499]

I agree, the funniest dialog... still chuckling.

[@CharlotteMimic]

20:25 "Poliferate!" The cheerful tone of voice makes you sound like you're casting a magic spell 💕

[@tiredguy709]

The Master Transcendant can cheat your own fatties into play. You can target yourself on etb then wait a turn. When the rad counter trigger goes on the stack, you can play a vamp or worldly tutor to put razaketh (or hullbreaker or broodlord) on top then mill it, then tap commander. It also combos with cephalid illusionist and commander and lightning greaves.

[@tylerhennessy2701]

I really enjoy the random rating systems. I don’t see any broken cards yet but I think we will see something stand out over time.

[@bensteinhauser784]

Very disappointed we didn't see a commander that can easily generate junk tokens. That's easily the strongest mechanic from the set and could have had legs as a game plan. Oh well, maybe the mechanic will return in future dystopian Kaladesh when everyone is scrounging through the wreckage of past mechanical wonders.

[@dasfabelwesen]

There is the 3/2 that makes mana when you sac junk. Everything about that card screems value.

[@TheBestPraetor]

​@dasfabelwesen the problem is there aren't too many ways to make junk

[@arthenah7192]

​@@TheBestPraetor rose herself actually makes junk tokens whenever you attack somebody, basically up to three each turn, since its just whenever a creature you control attacks somebody, so she kinda just does the whole thing herself

[@aaronepstein9416]

There is Veronica, dissident scribe. Mono red though. Seems easy to trigger though

[@bensteinhauser784]

@@arthenah7192 Problem is they are 4 CMC, mono R that makes at max 3 junk per turn. I was hoping for a RB that makes junk for life or a RU that makes junk for casting spells.

[@markbradshaw3066]

The Master, Transcendent 1 card combos with vampiric tutor, imperial seal, and worldly tutor because you cast him, put hoarding broodlord on top, mill it with the rad counters from last turn and then get saw in half. Cast the saw, get food chain and your food chain outlet. Cast food chain and then your food chain outlet and win the game. 1 card combo with 1 mana tutors is pretty huge.

[@TripsAhoy]

The color of the shirt is Turquoise! ❤

[@jealousagain783]

Congrats on the sponsor from Magali! She’s my fav modern MTG artist. I have the Liliana mat from her first kickstarter a few years ago.

[@Fireywhiteboi]

Nuclear fallout X=1 . Infinite spells with dockside temur or a tidespout bounce loop and then radstorm their rad counters

[@Buych778]

One thing not mentioned about Radstorm, it can be easily played while piggybacking off your opponents storm count...it is much wiser to hold it up for the moment where your opponents get into a counter battle, and you just top it off by killing them all...

[@chrispynation5133]

when you guys were going off on the Michelin system, i was sitting here thinking wtf are they talking about, and then as if hearing my thoughts Dylan chimes in with a "2 guys who don't know wtf they're talking about". yup. you 2 rock and I'm glad I'm here. oh god that caption when your talking about fallout is gold as well. W editing

[@healthylife1499]

same

[@Donny-G]

been a fan of your show for years and so far only 10 min into this one and it is my favorite episode - the 2 guys talking about things they know nothing about is fun and lets us all kinda get to know the 2 of you better outside CEDH itself - keep up the great work

[@deadpool-yb1pw]

The Michelin guide comes from the same company that makes car tyres. It started with the fact that they wanted more people to buy their tires. They recalled that a guide to specific restaurants would increase tire sales by forcing people to drive to the recommended restaurants.

[@healthylife1499]

Did you just make that up?

[@therealax6]

@@healthylife1499 No, it's the true story. It's _still_ run by the same company.

[@danielgamboa6130]

22:19 pet spells that give opponents poison counters on scryfall, infectious bite, infectious inquiry, phyresis outbreak, prologue to phyresis and vraskas fall are all actually solid cards that fit the theme and accomplish the counter goal for radstorm, now there just needs to be a good shell

[@danielgamboa6130]

20:09 my childhood audhd obsession with Home Depot swatches lead me to arrive at a conclusion of aquamarine 3252 C Pantone

[@aaronwindham6065]

Hindsight is 20/20 turns out V.A.T.S was pretty good and sees a good bit of play. Tivit, Talion, Yuriko, all have high tournament placings with it

[@Ducklord53]

I plan on putting Radstorm into my high power Mizzix deck. Mainly because spamming more experience counters onto Mizzix is a win-more play, but the deck also copies spells A LOT and so I plan on using Prologue to Phyresis + Radstorm to kill the table!

[@TheBraxton17]

I think nuclear fallout being able to win the game presents more flexibility than toxic deluge just being able to control what you want removed and what you want to stay, plus sometimes the fact that you have to pay life into toxic deluge can be very relevant when you're already paying life for cards or to cast spells.

[@drew-id]

Not sure flexibility is the term I'd use. Maybe versatility?

[@rowrow_]

The point you made about PIP-BOY is such a sleeper analysis. Card is effectively ramping for 2 lands every turn in the right deck, and it has modality for when you don't need mana. That floor is super above rate.

[@dwrecked9329]

Can you explain where it's effectively ramping 2 lands a turn? I think I'm missing it

[@SpoonCopy]

@@dwrecked9329It untaps 2 lands every combat.

[@dwrecked9329]

@@SpoonCopy I'm not commenting on if the card is good or bad... But i sure hope you are experienced enough in magic to understand the difference between having an extra 2 mana (a sol ring) and ramping 2 lands per turn (an explosive vegetation every turn)... Those things are not even in the same league of discussion

[@power998]

Hey so I just started watching more of your content guys. Really like your stuff keep it up. Love the more casual conversation approach to podcasts.

[@wingsofwar15]

One thing to point out with The Master, Transcendent is that it does have a couple interesting combo lines besides Food Chain, notably Cephalid Illusionist with something like Shuko that equips for zero. You can combo out and mill your whole library and then put Thoracle onto the battlefield with your commander. Still maybe not great, since it opens up a lot of points of interaction and requires 2 extra cards, but you are in decent colors for tutoring all of the pieces with things like Urza's Saga, Transmute Artifact, all the black tutors and the green creature tutors. You also can lean into mid-range with things like Seedborn and The One Ring. Probably not really that amazing, especially lacking real card or mana advantage in the command zone and needing to survive a turn to be able to even tap, but it has some interesting lines besides just being a dig for Food Chain build perhaps.

[@chevalteam5068]

also, you can ETB give the rad counters yourself and in your next main, in response to the rad trigger, you can worldly/vampiric tutor a hullbreaker horror or hoarding broodlord onto the top of your library. It then gets milled and reanimated with the master

[@jaydonthewarrior636]

Big one for me is Hermit Druid.

[@rdumalaog]

38:51 I play a high power Aurelia Helm/Sword of Feast and Famine-Aggravated Assault deck, and seeing Inventory Management in the spoilers got me pumped

[@escobarisanoctopus]

Actually in tears during the "2 Guys Talk About Stuff They Don't Know Anything About" segment, please give us more.

[@chrispapayannes8545]

Professional chef, hospitality consultant, and cEDH fanatic here. Michelin awards up to 3 stars to selected restaurants. 1 star goes to very good restaurants, 2 stars to exceptional ones, and 3 stars to a very very small select few that are considered unparalleled in terms of the experience you get from them.

[@mrgarneau4895]

There are only 6 cards in the game that give every opponent a poison counter, Ichor Rats, Infectious Bite, Infectious Inquiry, Phyresis Outbreak, Prologue to Phyresis and Vraska's Fall. I do run a Atraxa, Turbo Proliferate deck and I definitely want Radstorm. It's also an Instant, so you can do it in response to the storm player going off

[@hussefalfonsoabizaidherrer515]

really dug the pip-boy 3000 analysis its all about looking where people wouldnt usually look and the sol ring comparative makes sense

[@zanyzachboy]

Nuclear Fallout while niche, will probably also find a spot in Tasigur lists. In Tasigur, some list are already on languish similar to Tivit, and this is an direct upgrade over Languish, while also serving as a backup wincon, while also serving as conditional wipe, that also makes casting your commander cheaper. Think you guys rated it perfectly

[@marcellopozzessere1656]

I love that the random things discussion started right off the bat with the Michelin stars rating 🤣🤣

[@jaydonthewarrior636]

The Master also works with Hermit Druid, which is big. I know Hermit druid is easy to stop, but another one card wincon is really nice.

[@chrisking00]

No

[@chrisking00]

Hermit does not mill

[@iansundahl4325]

I think curie finds her best home in yuriko, she can copy the giant creatures that are always present as well as a cheap early attacker that draws cards

[@lucasc9142]

The answer to your radstorm question could be Mizzix to proliferate the experience counters.

[@kinginthenorth1437]

So Dylan sounded like he was joking or thought he might be wrong but, the Michelin star rating system for restaurants is ran by Michelin the tire company. The idea being people that travelled a lot by car in Europe would benefit from knowing what restaurants are good in various cities they're not familiar with.

[@ollie7597]

Radstorm is a grixis storm card, this enables infect, black and rituals, all will be one, Phyresis on your Commander, etc.

[@PenguinSnipezGaming]

Iv been play testing Mothman and have won a lot of cedh tables.

[@ChristopherDennis89]

Such an undervalued card it seems. I absolutely love it.

[@eyospin]

The Master's activated ability actually does have a purpose, you can use it to cast Thoracle off a Hermit Druid if he's not summoning sick.

[@Maverickstyg]

You know what gets my fires cylindering? Watching this podcast while im bored at work

[@haunakahzombie7899]

In theory, a one-star rating means, “a very good restaurant,” two stars signify “excellent cooking that is worth a detour,” and a three-star restaurant is one that offers “exceptional cuisine that is worth a special journey.”

[@bluevader13]

Tivit decks could tap the clues to improvise for Synth Infiltrator since you don't need to tap the clues to sac them to draw cards. I just don't know if the deck would need a 2 mana clone creature.

[@commenter1430]

So I don't know why it was implied that the master transendent can't be used on yourself, because that is obviously what the idea for the card is. If you are playing it early, you are casting it, rad countering yourself, then next turn you can mill two and summon something from the milled cards. More interestingly, since rad happens during pre-combat main phase you can untap, and draw, then on trigger in the main phase you could vampiric tutor or worldly tutor to top deck any creature you want in your deck and return it from grave for free which is not nothing for sure.

[@donotunsubscribe]

You know the set sucks for cEDH when every card only maybe sees play in Ardenn decks 😆

[@matthewherrmann9526]

Cogsworth, handy helper is so bad in arden. I have an arden / tana deck together right now and I can confidently say that card is garbage. If I had 3 mana to put it out, why would I not play the equipment instead and save myself a card? Because ward 2 is so good I should spend a card on that? If rather test silver shrouded costume. At least that thing is protection and ends the game with enough equipment.

[@CKarasu13]

Think there's something to Rex, Cyberhound. Maybe Rose, too. But not too much else.

[@matthewherrmann9526]

@@CKarasu13 I hold out hope for silver suit costume. I know 2 mana is a lot for a can't target effect, but I'm looking it in decks where the main strategy leans on attacking. Like, for instance, what about Najeela. If you can get it on najeela she becomes much harder to interact with and her combo now doesn't rely on anything but herself connecting. Or what about if Grolnok ever became a thing; he's now unable to be blocked and you can get that 3 cards of advantage every turn. Not sure how many decks revolve around attacking to end the game, but I feel like it should be considered, maybe in those decks?

[@ary31415]

"My brain is just.. all fires are cylindering" 21:41 😆

[@funsponge9099]

those playmats look absolutely sick

[@AAAAA-jm3xn]

can you guys do a podcast episode explaining the stack? i want to venture into cedh and a few of your episodes have been really helpful but as a casual player i don’t fully understand everything to the degree i think would be necessary

[@loganfendt4197]

Silver shroud costume went IMMEDIATELY into slicer, same with the Pip Boy

[@skullkrusher-dx4kg]

Universes beyond be beyonding.

[@loganfendt4197]

@@skullkrusher-dx4kgindeed it do

[@TheBraxton17]

Could pip boy 3000 see play in najeela, you are already going for infinite combats and doesn't this make it easier if you can untap two lands everytime you attack?

[@seanedgar164]

You can also get infinite untaps with The Master and Intruder Alarm and either a sac outlet or creature that sacs itself. Mana dorks or an altar get infinite mana. More casual but still?

[@richardthomas7925]

Love the janklord shirt. supporting other shows.

[@healthylife1499]

generosity of spirit

[@PaperBoy.5150]

Nuclear Fallout can also enable your own Underworld Breach.

[@andrewrobles8814]

I wonder if rad storm is worthwhile to add burden counters to the one ring

[@famousstranger8468]

I don't know sac 5 treasures to take any creature on the field as to disrupt or shortcut your own wincon seems really good in rakdos with access to dockside & cavern horde dragon

[@swiftmic8402]

What about the nuka cola machine!

[@wabbab]

Oh God, you said "I was walking the dogs (plural) today..." And I went OH GOOD THE OTHER ONES STILL OKAY I got so scared when you introduced the new one the other day because I forgot people can just get another dog Love the vid as always

[@coreywilliams5310]

For what it's worth, Nuclear Fallout can also be tutored with Spellseeker for the ambitious Grixis players out there.

[@crossr1984]

I'm so glad this is not loaded with Cedh staples. Rose looks cool though.

[@definitelynotmany4972]

38:19 Aurelia (The Boros Godo that needs to draw the Helm of the Host)

[@NathanEP]

Radstorm plus one ring could be kinda broken tho, idk prob not as good as untapping it but going from the one ring turn one draw 5 could be game changing

[@matthewherrmann9526]

I hear your comment about the 2 mana tap right away rate isn't something that exists right now for pip boy, but Moonsilver Key exists which can always search for mana crypt. If you think pip boy is good, is this other card good?

[@Delarissa]

Me listening to the conversation over the shirt colour and just yelling out TURQUOISE at my screen. They were calling it green/blue or blue/green, there is a name for that, Turquoise.

[@joshholsopple1435]

Im just glad you guys spelled my last name right :D

[@peterthompson4376]

I have a Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider commander deck it's pretty social in power but doubling and or tripling the counters on on Rampaging Yao Guai seems like it could be fun to have a MASSIVE vigilance trampler that's going to wipe out a few artifacts and enchantments when it's slammed on the table.

[@Kroxti]

Final fantasy is named as such because the studio was going out of business/ creator would quit video games (depending on the story) so released its last game as “the final fantasy” since it was the last chance. It did amazing and they didn’t go out of business.

[@hunteralford90]

With the Master, you can rad yourself, go to next turn, respond to rad trigger with top of deck tutor, mill a creature, and reanimate it, right?

[@therealax6]

Yep, that works perfectly well.

[@jimmajazz86]

What about James, Wandering Dad? He's an instant infinite colorless outlet OR an iso rev activator with just one other mana rock.

[@SSolemn]

I have an Alela Dimir/Infect deck, Radstorm is a finisher for sure xD Turquoise/Teal gor the T-Shirt, hahahhahha, it is always fun to see people getting trouble degining colors.

[@BrianVelasquez-je8wn]

with isorev, red death would actually be a wincon since it would deck your opponents out

[@goodingzane]

3 Michelin stars is elite food, service and some other aura. 2 stars is elite food and service. 1 star is food.

[@HexproofButHopeless]

Wait with red mutant you guys said isochron sceptre combo with dramatic reversal. If you have that red mutant can force draw their entire deck and you just move on to the next player and next player.

[@liquidxan6698]

I love the podcasts just as much as actual gameplay

[@MetaLibanez1]

Kellogg looks pretty cool, even just for casual -> high power. Plenty of cool things to be done.

[@Clemsonalumnus]

I think The Master, Transcended will be a new archetype where mill matters and it’s going to be a mill yourself, get combo pieces to win on the spot.

[@PaperBoy.5150]

V.A.T.S. reminds me of Mists of Lorien.

[@DavidVelic-l5t]

not talking about bottlecap blast for magda is a CRIME 😤

[@ChristopherDennis89]

I personally feel The Wise Mothman is being undervalued. Yes the opponent’s get an Upkeep but more often than not they will need to jump through hoops to do anything of value. Additionally, at least with the people I have played with and seen they rarely seem to run cards like Emergence Zone and other Flash Enablers. Funnily enough they even tried to talk me out of running flash-enablers. Two different playstyles I guess. Lol

[@kstandish42]

Pip Boy in Derevi is NUTSO. Attack untao three lands or two lands and your mana crypt etc, just with Derevi itself. Thats a great rate.

[@Bleesotron]

Now I want a podcast where a regular host gets other podcast hosts as guests, and forces them to discuss things they know nothing about.

[@murrowmench1565]

That shirt is Gargoyle Green - as though it were once gray

[@thedarklight247]

Oooh, maybe the storm infect deck runs some kinda paradoxical outcome (I think it's not banned) artifact deck to get to contagion engine then radstorm I really hope I remembered card text correctly

[@lord_of_happy_death6557]

Hey, you wanna know what else is a counter? Burden counters period.

[@Koshersquid]

Nuclear Fallout will be a great alternate wincon in Talion with Bloodchief Ascension online. Between wiping their guys and milling it will drain a ton of life.

[@redleader2935]

When you said Pit-boy 3000 with Francisco, my mind instantly went visual 😂 Someone please post a photo of a bird straight jacketed by a Bit-boy 300. 🙌

[@VIKINGSOLDIER55]

In kellogg you can run "clock of omen" with liquimetal coating and magda to make infinite treasures and take everything

[@adamfisher7099]

Michelin can grant up to 3 stars. 3 star restaurants are considered (by some) to be the highest quality dining experience possible.

[@patrickstarkey7336]

radstorm in tandem w mizzix of the igmagus would be absolutely broken. Great way to burst forward on experience counters and cast some busted instants/sorceries

[@lcaesar7759]

Probably more along the lines of high power, but I ran a proxy of Radstorm in my Vadric storm deck with Prologue and killed everyone with infect. Fun card. Only really worked cause of Vadric mana cost discounts.

[@matthewherrmann9526]

Pip boy is kind of like a mini sword of feast and famine. And 1,2 is a lot better cost investment and it can't get blocked to stop the effect

[@MegaMania91]

For rakdos I think zoyowa lava tongue could be a viable wheel deck with cards like underworld dreams, howling mine, sheoldred

[@ThePenitentSquirrel]

The T-shirt is Viridian Green.

[@ollie7597]

The master + Altar of Dementia + Intruder Alarm. Not deterministic but is a value train to fuel graveyard

[@SMXanathar]

As someone who absolutely loves Final Fantasy, there are titles 1 through 16, plus a bunch of spinoffs and side games (also dont ask why there are three versions of FF10 lmao)

[@jakelindaman1784]

I'm sure someone cleared this up, but you can receive 1, 2 or 3 Michelin stars. 3 Michelin star restaurants are looked at as the best in the world. Even having one star is greatly regarded and quite a feat.

[@alexliang1040]

If an opponent on Mothman gets infinite rads on the table, stifle effects are a funny out

[@cameroncaler5062]

Wouldn’t you be able to flicker moth man infinite then pass your turn and kill everyone else on there turns before you from rad?

[@alex7107]

the best case scenario i seen for Vats is to shut off a infinite mana loop like killing dockside before they can bounce or something like that and i guess that could be worth the 4 mana price but realisitcally seems too slow

[@TNDNBTG]

Im here to throw hands for flashing doorkeeper thrull when you were explaining the 1 category. Why you doin my thrully like that 😢

[@PumaPants248]

Nuclear Fallout for like 5, maybe set up an infinite storm count and rad storm to kill or kill out everyone on their pre combat main phase with rad counters? Might be slow but it could be a fun way to win