How Good Is The JJ Kelvin USS Enterprise? - Star Trek Starship Battles

[@lawdawg1942]

"Targeting the Warp Core" you mean the brewery.

[@DissociatedWomenIncorporated]

@@lawdawg1942 Keptin, the temperature of the Budweiser is going past creetical, only the Breetish will drink it now!

[@ilejovcevski79]

They got scans from Borg technology, but reverted to steam engines for their main power plant! XD

[@Robedon]

​@DissociatedWomenIncorporated to be fair, it wouldn't matter what the temperature of budweiser was. We wouldn't drink it 😂. But the US obsession with destroying millenia old ambient temperature European beer heritage is a discussion for another day 😅

[@DissociatedWomenIncorporated]

@Robedon hey I’m British and I’ll drink Budweiser! But generally at room temperature.

[@Robedon]

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated *has existential crises* ...haha

[@DissociatedWomenIncorporated]

The Enterprise-B would’ve won if only you’d waited until Tuesday.

[@Jesse12489]

Haha. I made my wife finally watch generations and she actually chuckled a few times every time they brought up the Tuesday thing.

[@martinbuhlmeier3138]

The Enterprise - B is better,as the Kelvin - Timeline.😳😳😳😳😳. The Enterprise - B is a Future -Ship.

[@MSR-1701]

@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@retluoc]

My favorite line in that movie... where Alan Ruck kept saying Tuesday. 😆 I had to look it up, I'm bad with names.

[@TomMentch]

Um it shouldn't have shields like the movie JJ enterprise those ships had no shields

[@PhoenixBird9000]

The real winner was the Connie Refit. Sure, it was a tough fight, but that's still my favorite version of the Enterprise.

[@J.Falchetti]

I want to say the reason why the Constitution Refit out-performed the Excelsior version was because it was faster and more maneuverable. Watching the Excelsior's fight was painful as slow and cumbersome as it seemed.

[@darrensmith6999]

You will never know how much i was rooting for the Constitution Re Fit (: (:

[@sharonec5419]

It won didn't it. At least it did when I watched lol. Any Enterprise from the Prime Universe after that as far as I am concerned can kick that ugly JJ Verse thing to bits.

[@spadesofpaintstudios1719]

@@sharonec5419man you old people legit hate everything new

[@keepthechange2811]

​@spadesofpaintstudios1719 There's nothing new or legit about it. It's 5 finger vs Bad Co.

[@Beer_Dad1975]

@@spadesofpaintstudios1719 We hate everything that is a low brow, poor quality imitation of far better stuff - which is what the Kelvin Timeline is. There is loads of new stuff I love though - just in the last couple of months - The Penguin was amazing, Arcane season 2 was amazing, Gyeongseong Creature Season 2 was amazing... I could go on and on, and that's just over a few months. Just yesterday I watched the first 2 episodes of Skeleton Crew, and it's off to a decent start too. Unfortunately Star Trek has been hijacked by simpletons. You young people just accept too much rubbish without criticism.

[@Pavisdouble2]

​@@spadesofpaintstudios1719it's 15yrs old, it's not even new anymore. Strange New Worlds Enterprise is newer than Kelvins

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

This mostly makes sense. I read that the JJ-Prise was roughly as powerful as the Enterprise-A because the scans of the Narada allowed Starfleet to jump ahead about 30 years. The Enterprise B should have defeated the JJ-Prise pretty convincingly as the Excelsior Class is considerably more powerful than the Connie Refit Tranche 2. That Enterprise B is perhaps not well balanced.

[@TheUltraMinebox]

Huh? Where did you read that? Some promo material or beta canon?

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

@@TheUltraMinebox Its been a while, but yeah, some of the books, and comics from around 2009 when the film came out. Maybe that Countdown comic? But I recall the phasers, were intentionally made to look like the pulse phasers, with their banks, on the Connie refit from the TMP films.

[@johnassal5838]

But there's not just tech level but size and design philosophy as well. The JJverse had less history and less, well, smug confidence when the Nerada destroyed Vulcan than the Prime Federation had at Wolf 359 so their reaction was the Vengance compared to the Prime universe Defiant. And in much the same way, the earlier appearance of the narada resulted in a bigger 1701 with more weight to throw around as well. Pound for pound the JJ Enterprise and the B were probably a match but the JJ ship was still bigger, faster and more maneuverable which made all the difference.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

@@johnassal5838 I rewatched and maneuverability was a major issue for the E-B. Badger couldn't hit the same shield faces, and also couldn't avoid facing his weak shields.

[@aaronatwood9298]

To clarify, Excelsior herself wasn't much more powerful than a Connie refit. Its biggest advantage was structural. When you get to 1701B, yeah, it definitely was more powerful. I still feel they have JJprise way OP. Not Millennium Falcon level...

[@YourIngamePilot]

"The hull plating is actually holding up here-" (explosion noises) Famous last words before destruction.

[@aarronkelley7628]

Those JJ torps just hit completely different and they volley size, both front and rear, along with the reload time gives it such a distinct advantage from its prime counterparts. Also the shields are really damn impressive for a ship of its age. Yet another great video, amigo.

[@jyralnadreth4442]

Connie Refit...that is exactly where I placed the JJ Connie in terms of strength. The Excelsior class lost a lot of manoeuvrability over the Connie and so was more of a sitting duck despite its own improved weapons. Connie Refit was fast and agile enough to stay within blind spots

[@joenicholson5609]

Awe man! I was hoping that you'd keep the ball rolling and try D, E, F, G and J!

[@sharonec5419]

Same here but we know through kick its ass and easily. After all after the refit, Enterprise, they all would easily.

[@joe9739]

The E would scrap GayGay's version and use it to wrap leftovers.

[@FloridaEbikes]

​@@joe9739I imagine the D wouldn't even need tactics just stand and deliver.

[@timothyforce1949]

The Enterprise D would've given that Kelvin Connie a beat down. BUT the E would've had no fun. One volley of quantum torpedoes and game over.

[@Pavisdouble2]

To be fair, the D would've kicked any Enterprises ass that was older than it.

[@ripvannwinkler]

@@Pavisdouble2 "That is a Galaxy-class starship! We are no match for them!"

[@Smenkhaare]

@@ripvannwinkler Welcome to the glass cannon in space of three hits to the secondary hull... possible warp core breach.... five hits and we have an irreversible warp core breach... six hits and we have vapor where the Galaxy Class Enterprise was.... It was like a cruise liner with carpet and guns. The Princess with Phasers and Photon torpedoes.

[@audioelitist3677]

You are one seriously obsessed dude, and I'm thankful for it. I think for some, content creation is a pain for people to keep up, but I can see you genuinely love what you're doing. Personally, I'm getting to be a pretty old dude being in my 50s, but I've always loved Star Trek, and always wished there were more space battles. Thanks to you, all of my younger nerd wishes get satisfied watching all of your stuff. Thanks. It's pretty awesome. My inner kid is hiding somewhere on the bridge of the ships you're in.

[@stratfordbaby]

It's a business. I assume this is monetized.

[@josephpatterson985]

Geordi told Scotty in "Relics" that much of the tech they had in that era is very similar to what Scotty is used to, so it makes sense that 23rd century folks could back-engineer from scans of the Narada (Romulan and Starfleet tech can be assumed to be similar and compatible from the multiple times we've seen them interface, and because Romulans probably stole a bunch of it anyway, sometimes even with identical bridge layouts to Starfleet ships like in "The Die Is Cast"), whereas back-engineering a Borg cube just from scanning it might be more complicated because it's design was so alien they couldn't make heads or tails of it.

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[@SmokingRoach]

Love that this video incorporated a request i made a couple months ago, Kelvin Enterprise vs Prime Kirk Enterprise

[@dahlesa]

Damn, Narada really changed timeline. No wonder USS Vengeance was able to fire phasers in warp. Altough Kelvin-Khan (also yet another timeline alteration) had some input.

[@Pavisdouble2]

The Vengeance would get wrecked by the Scimitar.

[@josephglatz25]

But, we saw weapons fired in warp back during the run of ENT, as well as TNG, I think once or twice during Voyager, and during Star Trek Nemisis. I was honestly confused when it was seen as horribly surprising during Into Darkness. (Not to mention the fact that the Enterprise from the Kelvin timeline can can travel like 10 light years in five minutes, a speed so stupidly overpowered that means it could cross the whole fucking Galaxy in a day or two) Yeah, Star Trek hasn't been great internal consistency-wise and that's fine, but the JJ-verse just seems to break the setting so casually, it rubs me the wrong way.

[@the_once-and-future_king.]

Knew the Connie refit wouldn't let us down!

[@1stprinceoflite]

It was the Captains. The JJ verse was inexperienced over the Primeline who had tons of it.

[@martinjaser2725]

I absolutly love the canon ambassador!🎉 Nice win!

[@FloridaEbikes]

Same

[@jedrabagamex2598]

I mean, i read somewhere on the Memory Alpha or Star Trek Online wiki that the JJverse ships, namely the Enterprise, were comparable to ships of the early 25th Century, so you could say it IS comparable to the Enterprise-E in that matter, and we don't know how powerful other ships of the JJVerse are, like the Konnie Refit, or the Vengeance, in comparison to the prime universe ships. Edit: Found the source, from the Star Trek Online wiki; "Examination of the time-lost salvage taken from the Kelvin Timeline reveals that the Federation of that reality had a decidedly higher emphasis on military technologies, likely as a direct result of their overwhelming defeat at the hands of the alien vessel that invaded their space in the 23rd Century. The same has shown to be true of the Klingon and Romulan ships of that time. This emphasis on cutting-edge technology allows their starships and equipment to be comparable to starships of the early 25th Century Prime Universe, despite technically being hundreds of years old."

[@larqven0192]

:Heh, 'Put that thing back where it came from!' LoL. Yeah, I'm no fan of the JJ-prise, so this was fun to see. I was glad that that the Ambassador Class got an easy win in. JJ wasn't just competing with TOS but with Next Gen as well, which is one of the reasons why the JJprise is so big!

[@timonsolus]

Yes, the JJ-Prise is longer than the Galaxy (but supposedly weighs only 10% as much) and has slightly more crew members than the Galaxy.

[@rdhqcpro9751]

I'm really enjoying your recent battles! This was fun as well.

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

Thanks buddy 🖖

[@joe9739]

I LOVE the sound of Connie's torpedoes. Rifleman88's ship battles are like my tv nowadays

[@retluoc]

(Doohan voice) N-C-C-1-7-0-1... no bloody A, B, C, or D. 😆 When you were in the B, it must not have been Tuesday. 😂 I knew that the Ambassador (c) would win easily. I'm surprised that the B didn't win. You mentioned the Narada... I've been scolded for saying that it had Borg technology, but for a "simple mining ship," it must have undergone many upgrades to become that powerful. One of my favorite scenes in that movie is when Nero said, "Hello, Christopher, I'm Nero." 😀

[@Vince005aran]

The Narada did have Borg tech integrated into it. They just didn't take the time to show it in the movie

[@retluoc]

@Vince005aran Phew, I thought I read that somewhere. I've just had many posters adamantly telling me that it didn't. 😄 I'm still pretty sure that it did... it regenerates and it fires concussion torpedoes. Plus all the green (like Borg). 😀

[@Adarkane325xi]

“-but they’ll think twice, about attacking the Enterprise under your command.” I knew my Constitution-Refit could do it. It’s a testament to Captain James T. Kirk’s leadership. Not sure if it’s to scale, but the J.J.prise is something like 800m long - longer than a Sovereign.

[@Eric19877]

Surprised to see the Enterprise B do so badly, its shields and weapons are at low strength, probably missing some components that won't be installed until Tuesday 😂🤣.

[@JustinStrife]

You had a few torpedoes miss with the TMP Refit which didn't help. A bit more accuracy there and it probably wouldn't be as close. Still, good to see the old girl take down that abomination.

[@Maxiius]

"Put that thing back where it came from!" Looks like it's Archangel time

[@DouglasWalrath]

or so help me

[@firestuka8850]

Me: "Captain Rachel Garrett, we thank you for your service in getting rid of Kirk, who didn't ascend properly through the ranks of Starfleet properly to become Captain, just found a loophole." Cpt. Garett: "We're the Enterprise. That's what we do. Now off to save the Klingons from the Romulans." Me: *Salute* Cpt: Garrett: "Today, the Klingons will remember the name *Enterprise* " Me: "I'm not crying, I swear." Picard: "I never forget the name Enterprise either. It's alright to shed a tear for one of the most honorable crews in Starfleet"

[@BBDoesTheThing]

Man that was tense Enterprise Refit Versus Enterprise JJ Verse. It felt like it had a few twists and unexpected turns.

[@spinetanium3296]

Those fights shouldn't have been so close. Kelvin Enterprise has way more phasers in canon. And the tech difference should have put them on par with the C/D range. I say that because the Narada was running Borg tech from either the TNG or DS9 era.

[@sharonbraselton4302]

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[@exc911ence_channel]

I would have kept going up through the Prime Enterprises until a one-shot victory against the JJ'prise occurred.

[@aaronatwood9298]

The Resurrection... 😂

[@acebrandon3522]

I enjoyed this series. Thanks so much. Musta take out those blasted torpedoes.....

[@MSR-1701]

8:20 the TMP Refit raises its hand...😂

[@MisterMarin]

... and says "Check, please!"

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

🤣🤣🤣

[@rmartinson19]

Could we get a Romulan War battle? Like, have an NX-refit or two, a couple of Daedalus-class ships and a few Ganges-class ships against a fleet of 22nd Century Romulan warships? That seems like it would be really cool to see and game out.

[@SiXiam]

Interesting similarities between the C and the Kelvin. Both with the thicker warp coils and nacelles vs the longer, but smaller warp coils of the A and B.

[@jaminallen3119]

Love this video thanks! Also live that the C was there for the win. Pretty cool looking ship in action 👌

[@XHunter442]

Ty for the video and LLAP!

[@tarrantwolf]

Looks like the Fuglyprise was drastically undersized. It's supposed to be as long as the E. Though the A would still win.

[@Fetzenkrieger]

Not wanting to put blame on a certain type of phaser from a certain alternate timeline too much, but the moment Starfleet starts installing noise cancellation armor on their ships, this kind of weapon might become next to useless. Good thing the Connie Refit could do it (albeit just barely)! I am absolutely astonished though by the fact that the Excelsior was just... disposed of... so quickly. Excelsior 2.0 saw this and got angry, I'm sure!

[@undercoversoviet5419]

Fun fact the Weapons in the Kelvin Connie is in fact a hybrid of phaser and antiproton while the photon torpedoes are closer to a quantum Torpedo then a standard photon

[@keyboardt8276]

There's nothing in the movies that indicates that

[@undercoversoviet5419]

@ it’s in the books

[@keyboardt8276]

​@@undercoversoviet5419thanks 👍

[@JustinSVT1000]

8:07 I love the sound of the Enterprise B Torpedos, any idea where that sound was from?

[@hardline2a]

That was a fun one!

[@deksroning125]

I think that people are severely overestimating just how powerful JJ Enterprise is. Despite the Narada interference/incursion, the survivors may have scanned the Narada in shuttles, but I doubt they would have been able to gleam useful information from that since Narada shields would have largely blocked those scans - and even if SF did manage to scan it somehow after the Kelvin disabled it, what makes people sure SF would be able to get useful data? That said, the Narada encounter would have prompted a different direction for the JJ ENT, and while the ship would likely be more powerful than TOS ENT of the same era, I don't think it would have outclassed it by as much as it did (and it was still easily outclassed by the Narada anyway - along with other ships in the task force).

[@poil8351]

no way is the enterprise b that underpowered. that did the enterprise b a dirty.

[@J.Falchetti]

Agreed, but mostly it seemed like the B just couldn't maneuver well enough. The B should have trounced the JJ-verse as close as the Constitution Refit fight was, but it just kept crawling along eating hits.

[@cujoedaman]

@@J.Falchetti I'm with you on this, I get that the D would be bigger, but I see the B (and Excelsior class in general) as just a tank, it should have been able to just keep the hits coming. It must have been good, they kept using them all the way through the 24th century even with Galaxy and Intrepid class ships.

[@Eric19877]

@@poil8351 Some of its components were missing, won't be installed until Tuesday 😂🤣.

[@J.Falchetti]

@@cujoedaman Agreed. The B should have won. Given how it played out though, I can only figure that it lost because it was eating more hits than it was landing. (Though I feel the need to point out that by the time of the Galaxy class, Excelsiors were considered transport ships rather than battleships or even explorers anymore, that has no relevance to the B's ability to take out a Kelvin Constitution class.)

[@readermike8355]

That's because it's weapons were going to be installed next tuesday

[@kurtwood8000]

So at the end of star trek Picard season 1 we got to see the inquiry class ready to battle some tal shiar ships but they never did so if there's a mod for those two ships that would be really cool if we could see what would happen if the two fought each other

[@ptaylor5014]

I always though in my head that the "Kelvin verse" Enterprise would be on par with the Enterprise-C, but the Galaxy class would most certainly be too much for the Kelvin version.

[@RickBerman-iv2il]

Kirk’s first Enterprise didn’t have aft torpedoes. This bridge commander mod needs work.

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

@RickBerman-iv2il what about the USS Defiant in Enterprise, with it's aft torpedo launcher? Or was that unique to the Defiant?

[@markbade565]

Poor Archer... Again. Way to go Admiral Kirk and Cap'n Spock! As for Harriman's ship, you should have waited till Tuesday

[@MusicHandsAbrupt]

This is very interesting because in all of the JJ movies, the enterprise was almost destroyed with one or two shots.

[@saricubra2867]

anti-plot armor

[@christovog]

Was thinking the same thing.

[@austinseven4720]

The actual strength of ships across all iterations of Star Trek is impossible to definitively portray because of that. Plot dictates all. One week you're head to head with powerful ships and enduring. The next week you're in trouble from a single strike by a ship that appears weaker than the one you battled with in the previous episode.

[@stevelapierre4776]

Hey Admiral.. I like the JJ Ent, but the engine, war core I mean, looks like huh, eeh. just saying.. no lighted tube thingy but, had shiny floors and consols lol. Good thing they scanned the Narada, that ship was insane.. Also, no space dock, but JJ Enterprise built on land, that was different.. Amazed that the Ent Refit and A did good job gosh.. and would have loved to see the Ent B in the movies not just for a few minutes.. Think the JJ ''Pew Pew' were stronger than phasers.. hmm .. Nice work with the Ent C.. Love the battle Admiral. and interesting battle also.. !!!😊🖖

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

Yes, I think the warp core scene was shot inside a brewery. Forgot about the JJ Enterprise being built on the ground. Weird. Although weren't some Galaxy classes built this way? The JJ pew pews are crazy powerful. Cheers Steve 🖖

[@stevelapierre4776]

@@RetroBadgerGaming I had no idea, and read a comment someone put that the Brewery I had no idea, that's why it looked huh like a giant machine with parts all over lol. Yes I forgot, gosh, again great memory, San Francisco's Mare Island, with additional starship assembly facilities located in Earth orbit, Starfleet's San Francisco Navy Yards is the site where the USS Enterprise NCC-1701 was built in 2245. gosh I totally forgot.. sorry.. Yes, and in the power the Pew Pews, took out Nero's pointy shredder torps that was crazy.. Cheers Admiral!🖖

[@ThatMetalheadMan]

I know the point was to see how long until it wins but I would love to have seen the D and E and onwards just stomp it lol

[@deepdivedylan]

4:28 Retro Badger: we got their bottom shields down to 32%! That's not impressive to say while your ship is blowing up. Just saying!

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

🤣🤣

[@michaelcross2814]

the way I see it even if the kelvin had decent scans of the narada starfleet reverse engineering what they got data on wouldn't bridge the gap from post nemesis E-E era tech entirely. the kelvin big E should land right about A or B of the prime timeline so this actually fits in quite well.

[@rhuman8672]

I think you should have kept on going. It would be good to see the kelvin timeline enterprise blow up a few more times 😂

[@lyinarbaeldeth2456]

"Victory for the Ambassador" isn't a phrase you hear often, and it's nice when you do!

[@haroldchase4120]

Frankly it’s finally the game is giving the JJ prise op weapon systems .

[@Renserin]

I'm actually curious why the Enterprise-B appeared to have a worse time of it than both refit Connies. Still, that's pretty definitive that the Kevin Timeline Enterprise is about the equal of both the Movie Connie and Excelsior Refits.

[@spadesofpaintstudios1719]

Enterprise C makes sense, although I’m a little surprised only due to the fact the Narada is further in the timeline along the times or ending times of enterprise D.

[@sharonbraselton4302]

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[@spadesofpaintstudios1719]

@@sharonbraselton4302 I don’t think that’s a fair comparison due to the fact the the narada was still a future ship, it just wasn’t fully weaponized

[@Mirage_Mach5]

Another great matchup would have been the Connie Refit Refit vs. the Abrahms-verse Enterprise. Happy Thanksgiving!

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

Same to you 🖖

[@EBone12355]

Bring on the D and the E!

[@MAZE4]

How much nicer looking are the Prime timeline ships?.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

100x more.

[@MAZE4]

@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 thanks buddy.

[@MAZE4]

@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 thanks buddy.

[@sharonbraselton4302]

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[@silvervisage5096]

Imagine how strong their Enterprise E would be.

[@CarlosFontes]

This was a lot of fun! I know that the Kelvin Timeline is super bright and shiny and meant to be more advanced than 2258 in the Prime Timeline but I don't think it's *that* much more advanced. We're not at TNG tech yet.

[@RegClintonBrown]

EXCELLENT!!!💥💥💥💥💥💥

[@DigitalCoffee-OG]

I like the Prime Ent against the Kelvin Ent, but you forget, by this time, the prime timeline had already faced the Klingon wars, which brought them up in phaser and torpedo tech.

[@SephirothRyu]

For additional catharsis, just hop in the "From Hell" ship and go up against 10+ of those Kelvin timeline things and enjoy the pretty fireworks.

[@Robedon]

The only 'logical' thing I'll give the Kelvin universe is that Starfleet was still more militarised when they scanned the Narada compared to when the prime D scanned the Cube and they had thirty years to figure out the data not 18 months.

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[@JoseMoreira-vo8cu]

The Kelvin universe looked like it was waiting for a war no? I mean Vulcan was gone, and the Romulans were out there as strong... Just don't know.

[@stratfordbaby]

That Ent-B's photons were beyond weak.

[@sharonbraselton4302]

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[@sammy-gd7hw]

Don't understand why the ambassador class was so under utilized. Extremely well balanced. And it maneuvered well too.

[@Mackedo5]

Wrong design for the wrong time. Can't be upgraded, underpowered compared to competitors, and in just a few years better designs appeared. Think of classes that lasted like Excelsior or Miranda. They're not better than the C, but can adapt with the times. It's why you don't see constitution class later on. They just went extinct in the face of newer technology

[@Aichi1138]

8:42 the problem of reverse engineering borg tech is that EVERYTHING with the borg is interlinked, To itterate on borg tech is just rebuilding a borg cube

[@MercShame]

I swear, your ship will be burning down around you and your right shield will be green lol

[@alanbaker2347]

That was totally AMAZING

[@valor1omega]

I call that bullsh*t on the Kelvin enterprise. There is no way in hell that primitive federation could have scanned the ship from the future. If it was that easy then the non-canon nx would have been able to scan every future ship it came across.

[@XHunter442]

Enterprise C is lucky to win.. that narada is based on reverse engineering Borg tech in the 24th century! lol

[@1stprinceoflite]

I call BS on that scan. If the Romulan ship were more advanced. Wouldn't they be able to jam older sensors? Since both universes had the same ship design.

[@merafirewing6591]

Unless the Kelvin's sensors are just that good for it's time.

[@1stprinceoflite]

​​​@@merafirewing6591Let's say both timelines had the very same ship. That would mean the more advanced Romulan ship would have information on how to jam those sensors. If push comes to shove the prime timeline Kirk and the Enterprise A would win any fight against the Kelvin timeline. Because the Prime timeline Kirk is far more seasoned than the Kevin Kirk. I'm sure both Spock's would come to the same conclusion.

[@Random_Ent]

pretty accurate battle honestly, especially considering the Kelvin Enterprise had tech from 2387

[@sirjanin]

I wish remastered also had the increased damage effects in the hull like in kobayashi maru, thats the bad thing about remastered, when a torpedo hits you and the hull only has an scratch, but the hull integrity goes to 10 percent

[@alanmike6883]

I love the NX but I knew it had a Bob hopes chance to win 😅

[@sarcasticstartrek7719]

when you want to turn fast, reverse - you'll turn in half the time.

[@sharonbraselton4302]

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[@FloridaEbikes]

Nice to watch the old C get a win. Under rated / under used class imo

[@driftbandit4740]

Now do the Kelvin Timeline Enterprise A against the primetimeline Enterprise A.

[@driftbandit4740]

Got one better....USS Vengeance against all the Prime Timeline Enterprise. I'd expect the Vengeance to last until it faces the Enterprise D or E.

[@ralphreinhardt6020]

Whoa deja vu here.

[@Stlaind]

I kind of wonder how many JJprise the NeoConnie Enterprise can take

[@Beer_Dad1975]

I think we can all agree, Orci can't write his way out of a paper bag.

[@chriskman71]

Kirk's Enterprise refit all the way how you do that completely amazes me

[@Thurgosh_OG]

Admiral - You still have a bad habit of turning your weakest shield towards the enemy, when a turn in the opposite direction, would have given a much stronger shield to take incoming fire.

[@AttackChefDennis]

So in 3 movies in the JJ Abrams universe, the Kelvin Enterprise was, let's say destroyed 1.7 times, and this Kelvin Enterprise is,supposed to be,advanced?? Did the rest universe advance too?

[@PhilipWeberAB]

Yeah, it's a matchup of a natural progression of technology with the C, versus the old method of thinking with the Kelvin Connie, even with advanced tech. Their warp core, shields, even weapons still are based on their version of 23 century engineering. You can't match up a century or more of engineering prowess against a Federation reverse engineering future tech. I don't have an issue with the size of the ship though, tbh. I like that they went big with the threat of what they came up against. I just wasn't under the impression that a bigger ship made them a better adversary. It's still 23rd century tech at the end of the day.

[@seanwashbrook9235]

The kelvin Enterprise was larger than the Galaxy class starship.

[@kavinskysmith4094]

hey by the way if anyone wants to have a go at fixing the JJ design, all you need to do is move the engines further forward and move the mounts further up so they actually mount flat, as their sitting slanted upwards on the lower end of the air intakes, as JJ modified the design to push them together, which screwed up the look of the ship, as it blocks the air intakes for the engines that should stick out below the saucer as the designer took serious inspiration from lamborghini's of all things, which have air vents on the side that stick out above the car like that when they open and its why the design has never looked right since it came out, despite looking fine in the concept art, where it had its original TOS look, which I saved from way back when and always wondered where it went wrong as I bought the F toys model of it and broke the mount on one of the engines by accident in trying to fix it, and then relized hey wait if you mount it so its level, by pulling them in slightly, their further apart and they clear the saucer, and they mount flat as now the mounting point is further back and suddenly it looked right, and then I remembered the thing about the air intakes, and sure enough it cleared it abit of a eureka moment actually and you can even see it in the paint job on the thumbnail, the top of the pylon is the same color as the line above it on the engines, like just pull it forward so it mounts naturally there inbetween it and the two outlets there on the end and it looks fine like the design was just ruined by one very minor stupid change JJ did, and it completely corrects the damn design like all that work to fix the damn thing, with the redesigns each movie and all that and all it needed was that one small little tweak as the more they overthink the pluming, the easier it is to stop up the drain, also the scans thing to explain the advanced look of the ships doesnt work, as how much memory would an escape pod have really, they would need to take parts of the advanced ship, and break it down, and go over its database to reverse engineer the technology using it as a how to book, abit like the Defiant in in a mirror darkly, like the whole ship as a whole with all the design and repair documentation, would be far more valuable than a bunch of scans telling you what it is, as now you know how to make it if anything the klingons would be the more advanced civilization from the technology falling in their hands, or getting parted out to other speices, as the timeline change should have happened long before then like it would make more sense if that saucer from the enterprise E crash landing on earth in the borg episode of enterprise was an actual thing, and they took the information from that rather than just a funny easter egg someone put in, and then had the nardia come through in an already changed universe

[@ChaserYohmoi]

Wish that Kelvin con was to it's correct scale, since the prime con is the size of its nacelle in size comparison

[@policepatrol3230]

Shouldve tried SNW Enterprise, anyway im pretty sure the kelvin enterprise dont stand a chance against the 1701-E And F, probably the G too

[@sharonbraselton4302]

privete star ship

[@anthonyslaughter1728]

The Defiant would end the Kelvin-prise any day. That's a battle I would love to see.

[@joseburgos8214]

You should have put the Galaxy class Enterprise up against that thing. I would love to see the Enterprise D bring glory to name Enterprise.

[@TheCormTube]

The reasoning for how the Kelvin universe was totally changed by one encounter with a mining ship from the future made no bloody sense at all.

[@t3h51d3w1nd3r]

I tell ppl this all the time, the Kelvin that was the first ship to meet the narada, was already bigger than a constitution class with twice the amount of crew and was way more advanced, saying they got away with future knowledge would impact things after it but how does it explain the kelvin itself? It's a dumb answer and only exists cause they knew nothing about trek. Where are the phasers? There's no beam weapons only blasters.

[@cujoedaman]

The Narada was just a dumb idea to begin with. Nero has a ship that can literally bore a hole to the middle of a planet, but still has to use the red matter to destroy said planet... he has a ship that can cut a hole through the middle of the planet. Let that really sink in for a minute... because the writers didn't.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

JJ Abrams writes the dumbest nonsense with zero consideration to space or time. It never makes sense. Look what he did to Star Wars. He needs the things to work like so, so the thing can do the thing, that sets up the thing leading to a big dumb action sequence. Like beaming to Qo'Nos from Earth. Or the stupid ass hyperspace guided laser that can cross half the galaxy in seconds, or the idea that Star Destroyers can't navigate a simple course without the guidance of a single sensor mast... So dumb.

[@donovanbradford8231]

All issues aside JJ strikes me as writing the coolest most epic story possible and not paying attention to the universe cannon or even story details, which is a massive flaw in scifi story telling as I learned very early in my writing when it comes to scifi you have to be able to explain it, and JJ and his team rarely can, let alone don't even care to, which hurts the overall story.

[@DaveMastor]

The Enterprise B's victory won't be delivered until Tuesday.

[@Bu2Spike]

I believe you got it right on with the Enterprise Refit but I just can't believe that the Refit was more powerful than the Enterprise B according to this game

[@darkshadow9291]

I would love to see the Battlestar Galactica federation refit up against a star destroyer or a couple of white stars

[@blackwolfharris3920]

There needs to be a part 2 where we start off with Captain Picard's Enterprise D and E and then the rest of the other ships called Enterprise. Make it so...

[@YuunaAndCuddles]

Damn, I miss playing Bridge Commander…

[@RedRidersTerraTrips]

What was the 3rd weapon on the NX-01 refit, I didn't see you use it