How GOOD was Cherrim ACTUALLY? - History of Cherrim in Competitive Pokemon

[@dysr]

10:56 Correction: Petal Blizzard isn’t an Outrage clone, it’s just a 90 bp physical move with no other effect. It’s Petal Dance that’s an Outrage “clone”, which was introduced before Outrage and was eventually buffed to have 120 bp in gen 5.

[@Kirby950]

Petal Blizzard hits both enemies and allies

[@appliedatoms7066]

FSG getting minor details wrong? Must be a day ending in y.

[@symphomaniac]

I keep forgetting Petal Dance has been on the game since Gen 1

[@sleazymeezy]

Not special? Damn I need to pay more attention

[@DaDMonDCB]

I always thought Thrash was the original move, for some reason...

[@bluebaron6811]

Cherrim: The friend Groudon never knew he had.

[@AutumnReel4444]

Savage, ty

[@Slade0120]

Ahhh, what a good year of VGC that was.

[@vbarreiro]

Omg you just reminded me We’re about to get Groudon We have the best Sun user in history in Walking Wake And there’s also Koraidon Sun is gonna be the best it’s ever been in Ubers

[@twotamatos]

Yah ninetails was also really good along side Cherrim if u guys could get gravity up and baton pass into cherrim max stats then have ninetails use psych up u guys can actually both put everyone to sleep turn 1 with hypnosis and grass whistles then basically kill everything with flare blitz or flame charge on ninetails

[@tho_tho]

Not to mention Primal Groudon that gets Fire STAB on top!

[@brandontherabboat4850]

Perhaps giving the pure Grass-type Pokémon that’s wholly reliant on sun to showcase its full potential a barren movepool and mid stats wasn’t the best idea.

[@IgnitedQuils]

It’s an example of being a Grass type with a shallow movepool. As Pokémon of that type tend to be notable for that. As they usually have STABs + Normal or Poison/Pollen Puff.

[@powcow60floordayboi16]

megainum crying in the corner at he's not alone anymore

[@joshuakim5240]

@@powcow60floordayboi16 Meganium can use its bulk for some nasty Counter strats or Overgrow to fire off a really strong Giga Drain. If only Cherrim could do the same without Sun...

[@Skeloperch]

Give it an evolution. 450 BST gives it 60 - 80 BST points to work with. +20 speed, +20 SpA, +20 Attack, and +20 HP would work wonders.

[@SecureBirch410]

B-but what about charizard? Isn't it about time we have him another mega evolution, we should just slap flower gift on that mega.

[@TheBeastJohn]

Who else remembers Wolfey using Cherrim in VGC and the hype moment where he OHKOd Kyogre with Solar Blade? That was probably the highlight of poor Cherrim’s life

[@lOI0IOl962]

So sad it was maybe his worst matchup. Man ran circles around his opponent with positioning but it just didn't matter. Could've made it further in with it

[@aitzolrobles2389]

I came here looking for this comment

[@tysondennis1016]

A cherry blossom and a discarded cicada exoskeleton have both fell the god of the sea.

[@IamHero_1337]

I'd be down to see a "How GOOD was" series for competitive battle items. Would be interesting to see the impact of them.

[@elitemagikarp4822]

bkc does this kinda

[@bax9231]

They would need an entire trilogy of movies for leftovers lol

[@otbaht]

id be curious to see how i think its light orb was for competitive if at all.

[@Seetiyan]

I reeally wanna see more "how Good was" for whole types. They did ice-type a while ago but no other ones.

[@dahubbzgaming]

​@@Seetiyan Thought for sure we'd get more of those

[@EdmacZ]

I remember using Cherrim for laughs in a Platinum Run once and I remember facing down Wake's Gyarados with it. Blasted it with Two Solar Beams and won. Cherrim became one of my favorite Grass-Types since. Gotta love the underdogs.

[@fin5887]

It became my least favorite when I had to find it in legends arceus before the patch where they made it findable in the wild

[@staydetermined6717]

@@fin5887 And god forbid you find one good luck catching it

[@-libertyprimev1-902]

This is why I strive to use a new pokemon in Every Playthrough, had a similar situation with Lilligant, never gave it the light of day till a recent BW replay when Own Tempo Petal Dance Lilligant solo'ing Ghetsis' entire team made it another one of my favorites from Gen 5. The idea of that is just too funny... Ghetsis: I Will Rule The World! ALL HAIL GHETSIS, ALL HAIL GHET- Ow, Ow, Ow, Ow, Ow! Flower Lady: Eww I think I stepped in something... *continues dancing* Ghetsis: AAHHHWW! AAAHHHWW!

[@naganut9718]

Honestly a good buff for Cherrim is to change flower gift to boost 2 of its highest stat by 1.5. Edit: I hate doing these edits but anyway, I have forgot abt PLA, hell I dont know how it works in PLA. But yeah, sry abt it :P

[@bootlegdouglas]

Hell, change it to an omniboost. It's weak enough that that wouldn't be broken.

[@Firesnake905]

@@bootlegdouglas it also buffs its allies too.

[@trickninja101]

@Matthew Griffin perfect

[@mishmash5576]

@@Firesnake905 wcgw with having a pokemon be able to turn any pokemon into dondozo in sun?

[@nerddwarf]

"Better buff" That implies it was buffed at all The PLA re-work is actually an overall nerf (Main Series Overcast has MAX 240 Atk PLA Overcast has MAX 249 Atk PLA Sunshine has MAX 333 Atk Main Series Sunshine has MAX 360 Atk)

[@Whimsycott]

Correction for the gen 6 analysis: Petal Blizzard isn't a gen 3 Outrage clone at all! It's actually a Surf clone, dealing damage to all adjacent mons without locking in the user at all. It does confuse people who don't use it into thinking it's a physical Petal Dance.

[@maninthetrenchcoat5603]

It's also physical.

[@Whimsycott]

@@maninthetrenchcoat5603 It is indeed! I thought I implied that, but I suppose I didn't outright state it, so it's good that you mention it.

[@gregorymirabella1423]

yeah, petal dance is the outrage clone. although it actually came before outrage as it was vileplume's signature move in gen 1.

[@Whimsycott]

@@gregorymirabella1423 And since Petal Dance is on topic now, that actually had a measly 70 base power to go with being a lock-in move until gen 4, when it got buffed to 90. It took until gen 5 for it to get to 120. To really put into perspective how bad this was, Razor Leaf in gen 1 (which Vileplume didn't get) was nearly guaranteed to crit, giving it an effective 110 base power before factoring in STAB, with the only real drawback being the 95 accuracy (which still hits much more often than not anyway). If you do the maths, that means: Even if a gen 1 Razor Leaf user didn't get STAB, the move would still have a higher effective base power than a STAB Petal Dance.

[@FonVegen]

I know that Cherrim isn't good competitively, but I love the design and ideas behind it.

[@YOSSARIAN313]

Not every pokemon needs to be good competitively

[@IgnitedQuils]

@@YOSSARIAN313I do agree, but it could have had more boosts to it considering it is notable for that ability.

[@jaretco6423]

It did alright in Double Battles for few gens. But other than that, yeah. This is another one of those despicable mono Grass Pokemon.

[@mr.sandman7339]

@@YOSSARIAN313 But they don't also need to screw over the ones that would be mediocre at best

[@Igorcastrochucre]

Cherrim and Stonjourner exist for the sake of other Pokémon, Tatsugiri and Dodonzo for each other, and I have yet to meet someone who used Plusle and Minun.

[@craniifer]

I loved Plusle in storymode, but I can't say I use it much outside of that.

[@TrulyAtrocious]

"Some people just hate good ideas, and those people often tend to be in charge"

[@DeadlockDrago]

I don't think Cherrim minds being bad (atleast when it's in the sun). Just look at him, he's just happy to be here.

[@VixstraLarge]

...And Whimsicott had a similar smile and became a sadist... i think its for the best Cherrim is just a silly lil guy

[@rahulghosh5366]

Cherrim will remain the best pokemon in my heart, just look at that little ball of happiness dancing, such a cutie.

[@NeviTheLettyFan]

Back when I was like 12 I did a papercraft from paperpoke of Cherrim, and gave it to my mom as a gift. She really liked it, and still has it to this day. That's pretty much why Cherrim is one of my favorite Plant types, thanks for this episode

[@homerman76]

Lol, the fact that a KZbin ad dropped just as you were saying "That's it, that's the video. Goodnight!" just made that moment even funnier 🤣

[@SuperMonkeyCherrim]

YES! AS A CHERRIM ENTHUSIAST I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!

[@opposumness3107]

This is your moment. You'll never have it again

[@shamanri7186]

Cherrim should’ve had the buff from legends arceus from day 1.

[@marcelosandoval8719]

What buff?

[@bluebaron6811]

@@marcelosandoval8719 being impossible to catch.

[@shinysilvershinx9071]

What was its legends arceus buff?

[@nerddwarf]

Cherrim's increased Base Stats in Sunshine Form in PLA are actually a nerf compared to main series games Main Series Cherrim Atk = Base 60 Actual Atk Stat minimum = 112 Maximum = 240 In Sun Atk 112 × 1.5 = 168 240 × 1.5 = 360 PLA Cherrim Base Atk = 60 Actual Atk = 148 -- 249 In Sun Base Atk --> 90 Actual Atk = 202 -- 333 333 is less than 360 With Neutral Nature 328 for Main Series 315 for PLA Same thing happens with Sp.Def

[@sablesalt]

Should have been put in a smoothie day 1

[@XC11301991]

This is my first time seeing Cherrim in 3d, omg it's so energetic and happy. It has such a simple design but it's adorable. I think it should just straight up buff Atk, SpAtk, and SpDef to better round it out on the stat it's always been wanting. Also it would be nice for Torkoal and Nintetales as well as partners. I doubt it would be that gamebreaking for it to be able to hit a little harder.

[@mr.sandman7339]

If nothing else, Cherrim is in my top 5 cutest pokemon

[@okayhellohihowyadoin]

I LOVE this Pokemon. Cherrim / Leafeon was the core that carried me to top 500 in SW/SH for like 5 minutes.

[@hamiltonhaugh3982]

The fact that this thing won worlds is crazy

[@mistercrusher5108]

Can't wait for paradox cherrim. Feral flower, a grass fire type that sets up sun and grassy terrain with its new ability frenzy field. It also gives all its stats a booster energy boosts.

[@FlamingAomeba]

I like how not every Pokémon is incredible, some are just more suited to being pets or companions

[@determineddaaf3]

It does make me happy when these pokemon do actually get some time in the sun. Something about seeing a small pokemon with bad base stats hold their own within the realm of monsters, even if it's just on a few occasions is just so fun to see.

[@FlamingAomeba]

@@determineddaaf3 Agreed tbh, it feels nice to see them succeed

[@boodstain]

I loved using Cherrium in gen 8, my favorite Pokémon in VGC. Love how Wolf was the one to unlock its potential with Solar Blade and Groudon, slapping Zacian.

[@Fakeout013]

Imagine it became a grass/fire pokemon in the sun and its stats got swapped around similar to those of Aegislash, turning it into a speedy, special attacker. Sometimes, the creative possibilities game freak misses out on are truly frustrating.

[@uberculex]

I think forms were new when Cherrim was released so Cherrim changing forms at all was the gimmick. I don't think forms had stat differences until later.

[@carlosx8603]

@uberculex nah Rotom which was released in the same gen had the appliance forms and those have different stats compared to base rotom

[@uberculex]

@@carlosx8603 Also, I forgot about Giratina so I was just wrong.

[@thewaffleking.]

Hey I think you made a mistake in the video when you got to gen 6. You refer to Petal Blizzard as an Outrage clone with 90 base power, but Petal Blizzard is just a 90 base power physical grass move with no additional effect. Petal Dance is the Outrage clone and Cherrim has actually had it from the beginning. Now Petal Dance actually did use to have 90 base power, but was buffed to match Outrage's 120 in gen 5

[@cuttlefish6839]

Petal blizzard technically hits all other pokemon on the field so it does have an additional effect

[@TheGhostFart]

petal dance was added in gen 1, outrage wasn't until gen 2

[@thewaffleking.]

@@TheGhostFart Yeah I know, Outrage is actually a Petal Dance/Thrash clone not the other way around, but my explanation was already wordy enough so I just left it as "outrage clone" because that's the term used in the video

[@samuell8721]

The first video in the new scheduled upload time!! Time to change the habit to watch FSG’s new video on Sunday to Friday

[@punkysnarks]

If Leafeon is the poor man's Venusaur, then Cherrim is the homeless man's Leafeon.

[@CyberchaoX]

Cherubi and Cherrim might actually be the earliest Pokémon that I tend to just forget even exist. Like I've long since been unable to memorize the numerical order of every Pokémon, but there aren't really that many that show up and I'm like "oh yeah, I forgot this existed". But this is definitely one of them. Has it even been in a game since its debut generation?

[@MortanAMrk]

Think it was in 1 of the gen 5 games?

[@justinnzamora5366]

Sorry for the late response, but Cherrim does appear in Sword & Shield's base game.

[@L0ss0fInn0cence7]

cherrim is my all-time-favorite pokémon bc back when d&p were first announced they released promo art for 3 pokemon; pachirisu, skorupi & cherrim (sunshine form) and i haven't wavered since. thank you for this video. cherrim deserved some shine(pun intended).

[@SemiHypercube]

It literally could've been so much better if Game Freak made Flower Gift boost the correct stat, or just made it more of a physical attacker. Though dangit it looks so cute, look at that little smile on the Sunshine form

[@TheGhostFart]

it may be trash tier competitively but it is OU/Ubers for inducing smiles in people

[@redwings13400]

Well that did significantly better than I expected. I did not think Cherrim would ever be anywhere near winning worlds, let alone having WON IT!

[@mandalorianhunter1]

One of the Pokemon of all time

[@Bernergy]

A 17 min rant. Didn't expected that. But I dig it. Satire honesty :D

[@Quix0tic707]

Actually Cherrim has had a slight buff. As of Legends Arceus, its base Attack stat now sits at 90. While not incredible by any means on its own, in the sun with a boosting nature it has an effective Attack stat higher than Rayquaza (max Adamant hits 459 at +1, Ray sits at 438). Probably still won't take it out of Untiered, but hey, when your history is as bad as Cherrim's, you take what you can get.

[@DumpsterFire22]

I’m pretty sure that’s a buff exclusively for the Sunshine Form to compensate for Flower Gift not being in the game. It’ll probably be reverted when it comes back.

[@dse763]

@@DumpsterFire22 Not only that but there's no moves nor abilities in PLA to change weather.

[@gregorymirabella1423]

it unfortunately only has the base stat boosts without the flower gift boosts in that game, so it was actually nerfed.

[@cole6122]

I think it's worth noting that Cherrim gets a pretty major stat buff from sunshine in Legends Arceus, which might carry over into gen 9 when (or if) Cherrim's released.

[@LORDMEHMOODPASHA]

10:01 to 10:11 you can feel the pain being expressed from the depths of FSG's soul.

[@bluebaron6811]

Since we're doing a trashy Honey Tree Pokémon now, maybe we could get the odd yet unfortunate Wormadam for our next FSG assessment.

[@HazeEmry]

Gotta love Trash Wormadam

[@bluebaron6811]

@@HazeEmry used one on my Pokémon Y playthrough. Microplastic was a very good girl.

[@TheWizardMus]

I keep thinking just should try a challenge run with all the burmy evos

[@AwakeningShadows]

We need Ambipom

[@ShadowtheYouTuber523]

@@AwakeningShadows we already got it and it suffered heavily from being so popular goddammit

[@generalpigeon1740]

I do not think I've heard Kellen this mad in the four years I've watched this channel

[@Sappysappster]

15:43 I let out the ugliest laugh because that caught me off guard

[@jameswickham4923]

What a fun Pokemon 😊. I sure hope it doesn't cause an infinite animation when played in a glitch weather condition causing it to be banned

[@gregorymirabella1423]

it wasn't banned.

[@KarenFromWalmart]

cherrim was my absolute favorite pokemon as a kid. seeing it finally get some sort of recognition puts a big smile on my face :')

[@eddiec9756]

I've been waiting years to share this information but Cherrim was on the final bosses team in Pokemon Battle Revolution. If you look up Mysterial’s Masters Team you'll see it there alongside Groudon.

[@Starshipswe]

Cherrim is one of my favorite pokemon so thank you for this video!

[@TheHatShallDie]

I feel like with how Flower Gift works, they meant to have its attack and special attack swapped. It doesn't make much sense otherwise.

[@christiancinnabars1402]

Flower Gift is _entirely_ a VGC centered ability. They wanted Cherrim to just be a support mon, which is why it buffs the weaker of its attack stats. Too bad it took four gens for it to even get good support moves.

[@Harmless_Music]

You know a mon’s had it rough when Kellen doesn’t ask at the end “How would you buff x?” That ending was a plea for help. A cry for an imaginative substitute of reality, where Cherrim was at least usable in any tier.

[@MasterTP10]

I remember that Cherrim got a stat boost in Pokemon Legends Arceus that, accommodating for that game's lack of abilities, increased its Attack and Special Defense while it was sunny. Man, wouldn't it be cool if that sort of boost could apply to Cherrim the next time it appears? Like, something, anything?

[@dse763]

The bst boost is only there to compensate the lack of abilities. Also, this stat increase is somehow weaker than the boost provided by the ability. And Cherubi (hahahahaha) on the top, there's no move nor abilities to control weather and the weather is entirely dynamic so good luck when it starts raining.

[@Roguedotexe]

Oh snap. I forgot you did that poll to upload on Fridays now, I was confused for a second.

[@dingolord9148]

Can’t believe the constant flow this week, been making it so much nicer

[@amateraceon5202]

Getting a 17 minute video AND it features Gen 4 VGC??? Cherrim is really full of surprises

[@galvsparks6295]

15 out of those 17 minutes is just verbally abusing cherrim though

[@mrdestructoo]

Jack and “s**t” are great buffs

[@RaynmanPlays]

Cherrim is what happens when you slap Gen I balancing on a Gen IV Pokemon.

[@redwolfjosh5581]

I forgot that uploads could happen on Friday but I can't complain FSG content is still great

[@dylanbuchanan6511]

I think Game Freak accidentally made Flower Gift increase Attack when they meant to increase Sp. Atk and couldn’t be bothered to change it back

[@rainpooper7088]

@Blue Aizu The Nidoqueen thing is intentional, weirdly enough. In a recently translated Pokémon book from the Gen 1 days, it was already stated that Nidoqueen is unable to breed prior to the introduction of the mechanic. Don't think a proper reason was ever given though, so it can probably be chalked up to a weird Japanese Christmas Cake thing.

[@tsfusion3033]

Petal Blizzard doesn't actually lock into into using the move. You're thinking of Petal Dance.

[@vice-virtue]

Not the "Don't use cherrim" set... 😭

[@Gigas0101]

The twist in the middle of the video made me smile, that was beautiful.

[@justanotherdood6927]

Cherrim is the strongest pokemon, he lived though all that and it still gives the biggest smile whenever the weather is nice.

[@Funloverparty]

Imagine the World where Cherrim gives an Omni Boost to itself and Partner.

[@TheRenaissanceGamer]

One might say Kellen gave this flower a gift by shining a light on its unviability 😏

[@h2o684]

Already know this is going to be an amazing video!

[@AlexMartinez-fu5nb]

Imagine how terrifying it would be in Doubles if Cherrim's Flower Gift boosted Special Attack and Speed lol

[@M3rtyville]

When the video starts so amazing for Cherrim and then you see the set name "Don't use Cherrim" you know where it goes immediately.

[@dcdjfluffy182]

Fun enough, Cherrim is good in Pokémon Go’s battle meta too. Although not as common as other Pokémon, Cherrim is primarily used in Great League by being a heavy fast attacker along with pulling out spam charge moves using seed bomb and surprising foes with Weather Ball fire.

[@bdt2002gaming]

One of the extremely few Pokémon who I genuinely think looks better in its 3D model than its 2D sprite.

[@rupert0lp887]

Great video as always but at 13:30 you how cherrim with return in its moveset (return does not exist past gen7)

[@Moonstriker2514]

Petal Blizzard wasnt an outrage clone that was Petal Dance, Petal Blizzard was more like Earthquake in hitting all pokemon.

[@Kurgster13]

Love the random and welcoming video. Keep up the great videos

[@Constantap_]

Love Cherrim, such a shame that a super cute and happy Pokémon like that is so weak, so here is my dream Cherrim Buff : -Make it a potential glass cannon. I mean, its defenses are alredy low, so just boost its Att, Sp. Att and Speed stats to acceptable levels -Make Flower Gift a guaranted Quiver Dance in the sun. I mean why not, it's not like it will be broken even with it, there are plenty of broken abilities on already strong mons (Looking at you Garganacl) and it fits with its always moving personality, so yeah -Give it a dual type under the Sun, like how Zen Mode Darmanitan gains Psychic type. Fairy or Fire is fine, just something And boom there you have it, an actually usable, but probably not broken Cherrim. Anyway great vid, litterally dropped everything to watch this because I love this little flower cutie lol

[@evanswindells5519]

16:02 "Purposeful streak of brutality" is such a raw line omg.

[@captainsunshine64]

One of my faves, such a clever concept. Used it in my last playthrough of SwSh, alongside Torkoal!

[@lOI0IOl962]

i'll never forget when wolfey one shot kyogre with cherrim solar blade. truly the fattest w it's ever gotten

[@Spoody]

“That’s it, that’s the video. Goodnight” followed by an instant ad… Well played

[@pinkducklett1051]

I love how passionate he gets when talking about really bad Pokemon

[@roninwarriorsfan]

I'm surprised kellen didn't make a joke video in which cherrim crushed the uber tier like he did with Ledian

[@ddgnp1057]

Because Cherrim has at least had SOME success.

[@sagacious03]

Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!

[@Au_Solar_Eclipse_Au]

Was cherim designed specifically for groudon or something Grass/ground/fire cover each others weaknesses Groudon sets sun for cherrima flower gift Flower gift boosts groudons spdef and atk which are its lowest and highest stats respectively

[@gammergod6499]

Finally talking about my all time favorite Pokemon thank you guys

[@edwardramos4591]

Honestly, a lot of Cherrim's problems can be solved by either buffing it's Attack and shuffling its movepool or reworking Flower Gift to have it strictly boost both Special stats. And why not, throw in Quiver Dance, it's already in the pits, might as well make it Volcarona-tier terrifying in those pits.

[@Brambrew]

Very nice I'd like to see some videos on Pokémon type combos which were recently added in Scarlet & Violet; e.g. Lokix (bug/dark), Grafaiai (poison/normal), Revavroom (steel/poison) etc. Also a video on how Chien-Pao has become a superior dark/ice slot compared to Weavile

[@Arshield285]

Well, weavile lost knock off, it's main utility move which was also it's preferred stab, Chien- Pao on the other hand has the same movepool plus crunch (way better stab) and a better ability. I enjoy a lot the type combo Revavroom has, by sure 4x ground weakness is harsh but it's only weak to fire beyond that and has a lot of resistances, also both stabs of revavroom are x2 against fairy so you can not run a poison stab and choose a steel stab plus coverage moves.

[@IgnitedQuils]

I think we have to wait for the new Gen 9 Pokémon for at least 5 more months. Expect those who are cross evolutions/regional forms of Pokemon not done yet such as Lilligant, Braviary, and Avalugg.

[@shattermelon496]

those aren't real pokemon

[@gregorymirabella1423]

@@shattermelon496 yes they are.

[@Brambrew]

@shattermelon They're real You literally could have looked them up That was all you needed to do You didn't even do the bare minimum of fact-checking yourself before making an objectively false statement Let this be a learning lesson

[@Epee2134]

I was today years old when I found out the lines on its bottom half in its Closed Form are its eyes. It's Jirachi's chest eye all over again.

[@typhlosion7872]

Petal Blizzard is not an Outrage clone, you're thinking of Petal Dance

[@cicabeot1]

Now that Dunsparce got one, Cherrim would be toward the top of my list of Pokémon that desperately need an evolution. It so sorely needs one and it’s so adorable.

[@JosePineda-jn8jk]

An ancient version of Cherrim that had physical attacking capabilities. It would also explain why Cherrim has an attack boosting ability today. Some silly name like Cherrim Bomb 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@keywii-U]

Petal blizzard is actually more of a weak earthquake clone, as it hit all Pokemon on the field

[@ForestX77]

Wow this was as painful as the Flareon episode and despite it all Cherim still smiles through it all.

[@_puduposting]

for cherrim each developer had a task, one in charge of the ability, other in the stats and the last one in the movepool the 3 devs said "each one does their parts separately and then we combine everything togheter"

[@IgnitedQuils]

An example of being a Grass type as it lacks many coverage moves.

[@aQrator]

Isn't Petal Blizzard that 90 bp physical grass spread move, without locking in or other downsides? Did you mean Petal Dance?

[@mattdelson3264]

Great video as always. I really liked the top 5 most op pokemon in singles, so I think the top 5 worst pokemon in singles would be great.

[@primrosevale1995]

There are only two real changes that Cherrim needs: 1) Have Flower Gift give Cherrim the stats its Sunshine Form has in _Legends: Arceus,_ on top of increasing both of it and its allies attacking and defensive stats by 1.25x. Cherrim isn't a strong Pokémon and it requires a double battle for other Pokémon to be affected so it won't be game-breaking. 2) Make it a Grass/Fairy type. Fairy is basically the Light-type and Sun is based around harsh sunlight so....

[@Yhormungandr]

Isn't Petal Blizzard just a physical grass-surf? It's not Petal Dance and not close to Outrage

[@randomtrainerx.3424]

Was Game Freak trying to experiment with a mixed attacker by using a special attacker like Cherrim and giving it an ability that boosts it's physical attack in the sun?

[@christiancinnabars1402]

I remember coming up with random stat ideas for this mon a while ago. A bst of 450 is actually decent; that's Chansey/Lokix and more than Clodsire, for the uninitiated. The issue is with its stat _spread,_ which is about as good as a kid's playdough project during free time. Change it's stats to: HP: 70 -> 90 ATK: 60 -> 50 DEF: 70 -> 100 SP.A: 87 -> 67 SP.D: 78 -> 98 SPD: 85 -> 45 So what gives, all that happened was it became a slow, defensive Grass mon. If anything, that could make it potentially worse because it is more passive! Well, that's where the _next_ stat spread comes in. In the data of all Pokemon games, different forms are classified as entirely different entries, meaning entirely different stat spreads, height, weight, learnset, etc. Pokemon like Rotom, Castform, and in this case Cherrim _could_ have different stats depending on their form, but Game Freak chooses not to give them that. The obvious fix is to give them tailor made new stat spreads, if not a bst bump (at least for Castform's case, but that is a topic for another day). So let's do that, and give Sunshine form Cherrim unique stats: HP: 70 -> 90 ATK: 60 -> 90 DEF: 70 -> 40 SP.A: 87 -> 67 SP.D: 78 -> 48 SPD: 85 -> 115 While on paper, those stats might not seem impressive, remember its ability. With Flower Gift offering an impressive 1.5x boost to Attack, that base 90 when fully invested beats even _Ash-Greninja's Special Attack,_ reaching 459 vs Ash-Gren's 445. It also reaches 115 base Speed; while not being exactly Chlorophyll, it allows it to outspeed mons like H-Zoroark, Mega Diancie, the Lati@s, and, most notably in this meta, Garchomp. It's moveset also isn't too bad either nowadays. Back in Gen 7, about when I came up with this idea, it was left with only Petal Blizzard and Rollout as its main attacking moves. -That's probably why I increased its bst to 500 back then.- Nowadays, it has access to Play Rough and _Solar Blade,_ which makes sweeping in the sun a lot easier. The former allows you to break past any pesky Dragon types. With Life Orb and the sun, Play Rough guaranteed OHKOs offensive Latias and safely 2HKOs max/max variants. The previously mentioned Garchomp also gets easily 2HKO'd by Solar Blade. You think Gholdengo is a safe switch in? Weather Ball even off of its 67 Sp. Atk lands a solid 2HKO on defensive variants as well, while max Sp. Atk evs Make it Rain fails to OHKO back in the sun even with its pitiful 48 Sp. Def. Flower Gift working double duty in that match-up. For such a unique ability in Flower Gift, Cherrim deserves to have at least a niche in competitive play. It's a shame seeing it relegated to obscurity like this. But hey, if there's any gen that would give random, insane boosts to old mons, it's the current gen.

[@skeetermania3202]

Does anyone here consider stat calcs at level 50, specifically if buffing for VGC purposes?

[@Ziamyou]

Okay, first of all change flower gift to sp.a and sp.d rather than being att and sp.d. Second drop it's attack to 30 and add 50 to its bst to make it a 500 bst pokemon and giving you 80 bst to reallocate. Add 25 to its health, 15 to its speed and 20 to its sp.a and sp.d. that gives you a 95 HP, 98 sp.d wall with flower gift support that hits a 100 speed tier on 107 sp.a.

[@phellowshipstar8756]

Cherrim walked so Pachirisu could run

[@Nekro715]

a double ad started playing at 3:00 and i genuinely thought the video was gonna end as a gag

[@dabababadoo]

Strange how it always shows closed. But I only picture Cherrim open.

[@jacobhebert667]

Love videos about pokemon I don't often think about. Bronzong next perhaps?

[@Silvitewolf]

You talk about how this pokemon embodies the happiness of those who see warm weather on the same day my region gets a blizzard

[@YesImJoeKing]

Dragalge, magcargo, drifblim or rotom and all of his forms! 💪💪💪

[@bobvella7228]

cherrim is why i got a physical zard y and ninetales on cart. i guess give it a evo with the legends arceus base stats atleast