Top 3 Winners & Losers of Scarlet & Violet

[@FalseSwipeGaming]

Whoops! We clearly meant to put Winner#1 lmao

[@casualcraftman1599]

Mankey and Primeape should be the number 1 winners for gaining the new badass evolution Annihilape.

[@angrypoppy]

Isn't Weavil a bigger loser? I mean, Cinderace is still used a lot, even with the Libero nerf. But Weavil lost ALL viability.

[@CubeBizz]

@@angrypoppy I don't know about that, Chien-Pao is banned now so Weavile could fill those Dark/Ice shoes

[@robinsimon4176]

@@CubeBizz according to usage weav is still ru. as of now

[@DaNumba1Rapper]

glad to see that even big successful YT channels make blunders from time to time 😁

[@ekos8282]

Honorable mention: Gallade Gallade got sharpness. It means leaf blade, night slash and aqua blade are stabs Psycho cut is earthquake And sacred sword (new) is close combat with zero negatives. It also bypasses defence boosts of the enemy.

[@bulborb8756]

yeah Gallade did get buffed this gen as Sharpness was a perfect fit for it on top of gaining Sacred Sword, but also giving it another coverage option in Aqua Cutter

[@Jurra-x]

100% this especially with sacred sword it's so dope now

[@ZorotheGallade]

And he got Sacred Sword. The Fighting STAB he needed all along. 135 effective BP, 100% accurate, no recoil effects, and ignores buffs. A ginormous upgrade over Close Combat.

[@rainpooper7088]

Agreed, mfer freaking starts with Sacred Sword, Leaf Blace and Aqua Blade upon evolution. I evolved a Kirlia into Gallade for the Pokédex and kept it for the rest of the playthrough because the powerful coverage was just that good.

[@uf9749]

It may not be OU, but compared to previous gens it's so much more threatening now. Imo more than an honorable mention.

[@TheHero136]

Scizor and Breloom are like Mario and Luigi, two fighters with red and green respectively. Extra hilarious because their shinies are the colors of one another. And now, they can pommel each others checks with teamwork. Edit: Oh yeah, and they both get technician. And Scizor struggles against fire breathing monsters. While Breloom hates ghosts. This works really well the more you think about it. Super Scizor Bros for the win.

[@oracle0_]

Technician Bros

[@LucosPlays]

Now i want a Mario and Luigi romhack but replace them with Scizor and Breloom thanks to this comment

[@MrOofio64]

​​@@oracle0_ New Bros move LOL.

[@captaindoesyoutube7925]

@@MrOofio64 Bullet Bros (Seed and Punch) Poison Bros (Steel and Toxic Heal)

[@GenericGMR]

God, now I need to rename the ones I have, it fits too perfectly

[@Quix0tic707]

No mention of Chansey and Blissey? They lost Wish, Toxic and Teleport, and the PP of Softboiled was also cut to 8. Both have been OU/UU titans right from the start, now Blissey is RU and Chansey is NU

[@gengarzilla1685]

That tiering drop is also largely thanks to competition from Clodsire.

[@Quix0tic707]

@@gengarzilla1685 Clodsire would explain it dropping from OU, but not UU and RU in Chansey’s case

[@juannaym8488]

@@gengarzilla1685 Nah definitely not Clodsire is a good special wall but is more utilitarian and can't sit as hard on special attackers as Chansey and Blissey. Pure normal is also a good defensive typing and does very different things from the poison/ground typing of Clod

[@liamjones5783]

Chansey and Blissey got GUTTED

[@wonderfulrose477]

So funny they hard nerfed most staple stall mons only to introduce Garganacle in the same gen.

[@SemiHypercube]

Honestly the removal of Scald is probably one of the biggest changes for generation 9 for like every Pokemon that had it, I feel like that's gonna be something that shows up in seemingly every video, just like "the newly buffed Defog/Knock Off" "Heavy-Duty Boots" etc.

[@gengarzilla1685]

It's not "removed" technically, as it's now just a signature move of the currently unavailable Volcanion. Scald simply had a severe cutback on availability.

[@chrayez]

@@gengarzilla1685 even with that, it’s still effectively removed from the game. Who’s going to run Scald on Volcanion over its other stronger signature move Steam Eruption. It even has the same burn chance.

[@MaxBurnHeart]

Yeah, scald (basically) removal was a huge game-changer. That move was so spammable, there was no reason to not use it on literally anything. Hyper offense pokemon, hyper defense one, and everything between appreciated it. 80 power and a chance to burn, which can cripple physical attackers. What's not to love? I'd say it was one of the best moves in the game. Thus, I'm glad it's gone.

[@kyng8156]

​@@gengarzilla1685 its still not gonna be used, since Volcanion's actual signature move is a Scald with higher BP.

[@MrDekgear]

I'm betting Scald tutor comes back with the DLC, otherwise they would have just removed it from the code.

[@gabrielevalentini4438]

I'd like to ironically shake the hand of the guy who looked at Lurantis and thought "Yeah, too OP" removing Superpower

[@abarette_]

meanwhile Close Combat TM. fucking lol

[@MaahirMomtaz12]

Shame Superpower isn't a TM this gen

[@baseballs1742]

Genuinely mad about this, one of my fav mons to use in vgc

[@naganut9718]

Superpower isnt as big deal as some people say, tho losing it still sucks

[@siberiangopnik]

​@@naganut9718 are you joking? Because if so that's not a good one

[@krosshair450]

I’d honestly say Greninja is up there, the Protean AND Battle Bond nerfs *really* hurt

[@sonofhades57]

Seconded. Greninja doesn't hit as hard as Cinderace, so losing both of its offensive buffs in one fell swoop made it even worse.

[@FreezeDidThis]

@@sonofhades57 I mean it's faster and it's movepool is far better. Cindy kinda sucks cuz it cannot spike and has HEAVY 4mss. Tho I'd say it got sd and sd + double edge sets would do insane amounts of damage.

[@adrianmarc5430]

@@FreezeDidThis Yeah, but it weaker than both cinderace and mewoscarada. Also meowscarada is faster than it as well, so it effectively got replaced by it.

[@FreezeDidThis]

@@adrianmarc5430 The surprise factor is good tho. Gren can still run like 4-6 sets. Cindy and meow are stuck on 2 but meowscarada is better offensively compared to both.

[@yujirohamna2430]

@Freeze ProDuckSons Inc. not setting up spikes isn't an issue though because court change is still really good and allows you to get around Gholdengoul's spin blocking and defogging.

[@the_bookworm8281]

I think the pink blobs Chansey and Blissey was by far the most nerfed of the bunch. They both lost BIG time to the recovery move PP reduction to 8, the removal of Teleport, the removal of Toxic, the removal of Wish, and the removal of both Aromatherapy and Heal Bell (it still has Heal Bell listed as an Egg Move, but is currently unobtainable). These two mons are even more orientated to play passive than even Toxapex is, and even doing that is very difficult for either mon to do. Pex still has a great defensive typing, Regenerator, and some effective defensive moves (Toxic, Toxic Spikes, Haze), which is why Pex is still decent in OU. The other two can only threaten with Thunder Wave or setting up rocks, which is all they have left. Every single generation has at least one of the two in the OU tier (even though both were very mediocre in gen 5 OU). Now Blissey is all the way down in RU, while Chansey isn't even officially put in a tier and is instead given the NFE (Not Fully Evolved) label. In other words, both got shot into a million pieces, and while they can maybe salvage a bit once Heal Bell is available again, they will still be a mere fragment of their former selves. Their fall from grace is cited as a big reason why stall is struggling as a playstyle in gen 9.

[@FishGamingReal]

Chansey is guranteed to stay NU

[@miikaroos3809]

I hate stall, so I don't mind.

[@harmless_xd4107]

Yeah I'm shocked they put pex over the blobs. Pex took some huge hits but it's still strong. Blissey and chansey were already struggling in gen 8 and were pretty much systematically removed in sv 😭

[@barneythemusicmaker1098]

@@harmless_xd4107 justice for blobs

[@marcorossi2854]

Even with those moveset nerfs i don't think the usage would be so different. Annihilape completely destroyed them offensively and defensively, Chien Pao and Palafin crushed them, now those are all ubers and nothing changed for the pink blobs. Most importantly Great tusk has 50% usage and can remove chansey's eviolite and blissey's boots/lefties

[@ParasaurolophusZ]

At least Cinderace doesn't trigger its Libero when it uses STAB Pyro Ball. Since Protean Meowscarada and Greninja are dual-type, they can't even use a STAB without using up their once-per-switch-in type change.

[@MorrisPXG]

And Greninja Lost Ash greninja form

[@tinykerkhof4340]

I youse both of thoose 3

[@tbone6032]

Yeah, protean shouldn’t change mons if they already have that type as a dual type

[@tinykerkhof4340]

@@tbone6032 but it has 2 types so it makes sense

[@tbone6032]

@@tinykerkhof4340 I’m saying as a balance buff. It just really kills the ability of them to do consistent damage. It’s a huge problem.

[@michaelabner9436]

The biggest nerf for Cinderace is not the nerf towards Libero, but rather towards Pyro Ball's animation.

[@bigsmoke44gaming44]

I agree. Not even joking.

[@misirtere9836]

Wait, it doesn't even do the thing anymore? *THEY UN-HIGH-QUALITY-ED THE ANIMATION? WASN'T THAT THE ENTIRE POINT OF DEXIT?*

[@YosefRabun]

Fucking true

[@Astralreaper7955]

@@misirtere9836 im sure dexit was only so that charizard and pikachu gets more attention

[@Timmothy_plays]

@@misirtere9836 Hmm, I wonder if that's a sign of Pyro Ball becoming a non signature move in the future.

[@elsquidwardo]

I would say Greninja and Slowbro were nerfed harder than Slowking and Cinderace, Slowking got chilling reception which functions like a pivoting move but Slowbro didn’t get anything and Greninja lost both Protean and Battle Bond

[@RealShades7]

Greninja didn't lose Protean and Battle Bond. They got nerfed. And Greninja still gained very powerful nre moved in swords dance, liquidation, brick break and battle bond didn't get nerfed. If anything it got changed so I'd still say that Cinderace got more nerfed. Tho I agree with slowbro

[@AyuNico]

@@RealShades7 The battle bond nerf was massive, now it has to play for keeps and it doesn't keep the form for the rest of the game, just receives a stat boost. Still tho, it received far more than cinderace lost

[@Mepphy99]

Protean Is still hella good, Just doesn't make Greninja S++ Battle Bond actually clears in NatDex so yeah ... maybe it's gonna be super good

[@yujirohamna2430]

@mepphy99 I would say because of Cinderace's mono type it can still get more use out of libero then Protean Grininja. Also Cinderace also got Swords Dance and will o wisp so it's not all bad.

[@MaahirMomtaz12]

​@@RealShades7 You're not going to use physical Greninja, you should've specified it gained Switcheroo, so it can pass a Choice Scarf to someone

[@JMalaby89]

I’m shocked that Floatzel didn’t get a mention, Wave Crash + Tera water has made it more viable than it ever has been.

[@sonic5993]

Not much since it dropped to UU while Pelliper is stuck in OU.

[@shirshobanerjee7751]

Untiered to UU

[@juan-lb5ph]

@@sonic5993 yeah, and since peli is OU floatzel might drop to RU, but u can use it in OU, and in OU is the best swift swim Pokémon, despite it's probably RU tier. Imo floatzel was the 2nd most buffed mon. Tiering is not everything. It almost rose to OU on february 1st so...

[@x1x1x1x2]

@@juan-lb5ph floatzel will won't have a high chance to be OU even if rain is good in OU as an archetype because people will try other rain sweepers regardless of floatzel being the best. Pelipper will be OU due cause Pelipper is rain, while floatzel will remain UU or lower unless something like Manaphy is released and rain takes over the meta.

[@breloommaster12]

Compared to where Floatzel was before getting Wave Crash, this is definitely a huge glowup

[@Wizzkidwas]

Seeing that thumbnail after Garchomp fell to UU is hilarious

[@TheAdministrator19]

Was looking for this comment

[@marcelosandoval4206]

Delibird finally got a glow up... Like nothing else... Even Mawile was decent in lower tiers but Iron Bundle is absurd

[@Slither.Wing.]

@Darkrai with legs Donphan wasn’t nearly as terrible as Delibird nor was Great tusk or Iron Treads as broken as Iron Bundle

[@mariomouse8265]

If Delibird is supposed to be Santa Claus, Iron Bundle is Saint Nikolas.

[@Thinkaton10]

Like what's wrong with you idiots? Is it too hard to understand that iron bundle is not Delibird. They don't have same base stat or abilities. Delibird is still trash, Iron bundle is not Delibird.

[@nicholas851]

​@@mariomouse8265 Iron Bundle out here Hydro Pumping the Arians

[@lyteabhishek]

That's a complete different Pokemon though it's not an direct upgrade like mega

[@aurioh]

Slowking and Cinderace on this list over Slowbro and Blissey is wild

[@Hyperneosonic97]

Or even more poignant: Cinderace over *Greninja* who got the same nerfs and then some.

[@ZorotheGallade]

Cinderace, whose Libero can only trigger once per switch: "Man, these nerfs are brutal". Greninja, whose Battle Bond turned into a Moxie boost that activates once period: "YOU F-ING THINK SO?"

[@JoeThomas-lu6fy]

@@Hyperneosonic97 This list is specifically looking at Pokémon that were in gen 8, so Greninja doesn't count.

[@TWLSpark]

​​@@Hyperneosonic97 Greninja can still do something with Protean like it had in gen 7 (almost exclusively an scarf mon, if it wasn't using z crystals); Ace literally got its only good ability nerfed to the ground, so I would say that out of them both, he's the biggest loser.

[@aSh-pi1in]

@@TWLSpark Cinderace can keep Libero Longer and has higher attack and it's most spammable moves are HJK and Pyro, which have 130 and 120 BP respectively

[@joeschmoe5063]

I'd argue Chansey and Blissy got more nerfed than cinderace and friends. They used to be OU staples and now they're really bad passive walls in RU and maybe NU soon enough.

[@morganreaver]

Having slowing over slowbro feels a bit strange. Slowbro got all the same nerfs king got but didn't even get to have a pivot move period

[@Ace0-i]

Even with the Libero Nerf I feel Cinderace is still good, it's just that he's more on OU's level now and not an Uber mon.

[@Kosarhs]

Ya I fully agree, I don’t know why he’s the number 1 L

[@shadowdragun]

If anything, wouldnt greninja be an even bigger loser? It also had protean neitered but ALSO lost Ash Greninja. Now battle bond is moxie for all stats but only happens once. Meaning if he is forced out its ability becomes non existant. And greninja has to trigger Protean every time he atta ks he is a double type. Cinderace can at least use oyro ball and save protean for u turn or something else

[@universalboss9327]

I think libero nerf affects it less than gren as it is a pure fire type allowing it to proc libero even after a pyro ball unlike gren which procs its protean even when it uses its stab.

[@TheMirksta]

@@shadowdragun I'm not sure what's going on with Ash Gren, I remember hearing Battle Bond was changed to be +SpAtk and +Speed on kill (once per game), which if true could be even stronger than Ash Gren was in certain scenarios.

[@AuroraBoost]

Yeah Cinderace has been doing pretty good this gen

[@1BlueYoshi]

I think Libero on Cinderace is still better than Protean on Greninja or Meowscarada. Since Cinderace only has 1 type, it can at least spam Pyro Ball with STAB and then switch to another type against whatever tries to switch in. Since Greninja and Meowscarada have 2 types, they will always be locked into the type of the first move they use

[@ZorotheGallade]

Greninja is in a whole another world of pain, losing Battle Bond's form change and getting in exchange a crappier version of Moxie is brutal.

[@swallowmikeuhm6744]

Wdym a shitter Moxie abikity on Greninja? It's basically a Quiver Dance boost per KO'd target but yes I agreed that Greninja got hard clapped by small videogame company with a big nerf.

[@mr.krustykrust]

@@swallowmikeuhm6744it gets a mini offense boost on a ko sure, but only once per battle

[@ZorotheGallade]

@@swallowmikeuhm6744 Not per KO'd target. It can only trigger once per BATTLE. If you ever switch it out or get phased, that's your one off use of the ability done with.

[@TWLSpark]

Gren: Oh no! *Protean always uses Scarf.* Gren: Anyway.

[@TsuchinokoIsARealAnimal]

I'd say the bigger Breloom buff is that it no longer has to exist alongside both Tapu Bulu and Kartana (for now)

[@amateraceon5202]

Honestly, I'm just glad that Qwilfish and Dunsparce can use the Eviolite now, and I hope to see both of them absolutely terrorizing the lower tiers going forward

[@milkapenc]

Well Dunsparce got banned from LC early in the generation so it’s doing pretty well so far

[@bulborb8756]

and it's only hisuian qwilfish who can use eviolite, not Johtonian qwilfish

[@amateraceon5202]

Yeah I know, I think he’s going to be way better than original Qwil because he only has one weakness

[@bulborb8756]

@@amateraceon5202 true cause poison/dark is a good defensive typing

[@Wreckbot_]

eviolite dunsparce is fun, was doing random mon battles not long ago because i was bored and ended up soloing someone's entire team with just the goofy little dude after getting 6 coils set up for free. that probably stands as one of my favorite battles of all time now.

[@i-was-alive]

garchomp truly is the gift that keeps on giving

[@troykv96]

I remember sometime before Tera was properly announced someone said that Dragonite could have loved to be a normal type, it was in the context of Gen 1. But considering what happened in Gen 9... Yeah, he loves that Normal Type so much, even outside the context of Gen 1.

[@Rarest26]

Let me guess, Big Yellow?

[@gengarzilla1685]

Dragonite is basically the Jesus to Arceus's God.

[@ZorotheGallade]

Imagine a Snorlax whose Hyper Beam is guaranteed to vaporize everything it touches . Now that's a terrifying thought. Remove Gengar from the opponent's team and you just won.

[@shirshobanerjee7751]

Yeah, big yellow said that Dragonite would’ve liked normal/flying over dragon/flying

[@Rarest26]

@@ZorotheGallade Also imagine if Lax had Wrap and Agility.

[@scrapyarddragon]

Garchomp going from "big number damage machine" to a hazzardspammer confounds me to no end.

[@sarasaland4709]

Because as we know. Garchomp was really wanting for tools and buffs. Meanwhile competitive behemoths like Ampharos and Luxray were just too much and got zero buffs.

[@dinotaco4651]

A non-legendary electric type getting tools that aren't Volt Switch? You're funny (Me still hoping Luxray and Electivire are given dual Dark and Fighting typings, respectively)

[@sreenaths6829]

Well, they removed Scale Shot from Chomp.

[@christiancinnabars1402]

Raichu also is forced to make a return thanks to its pre-evo, and has also gotten squat this gen. Game Freak _really_ doesn't want to give it a 1.5x boost from Light Ball, huh? Making it bootleg Regieleki just can't happen. Now that I think about it, pretty much every returning Electric type mon got shafted. Rotom is Rotom and Magnezone is Magnezone, but every other Electric type mon is stuck in the bottom tiers due to consistent neglect.

[@iantaakalla8180]

When Paldea is basically second Kanto in that Electric types are shafted. Also, Magnezone is basically a Steel type with Electric stuff, and the Rotom forms are their appliances’ typings with Electric stuff. There are no good returning Electric types.

[@piyushmenon4987]

At least now it seems that it's falling off due to stronger Dragons. Still, they should give Luxray some love ffs.

[@gligarguy4010]

Garchomp watches this to remember the good times.

[@sonofhades57]

Scizor, Breloom, and Garchomp were staples in my teams for many generations, so I'm really happy to see they got some new tricks to make them remain relevant.

[@sonofhades57]

And Toxapex got nerfed into the ground? This must be my birthday, considering how infuriating stall teams are to play against.

[@gregorymirabella1423]

@@sonofhades57have fun against dondozo.

[@videakias3000]

breloom also received loaded dice and now its bullet seed is the equivalent of an 150-187.5 base power move.

[@theyammi437]

Cinderace may have been hit hard with a libero nerf, but it is actually usable in OU now. Also, it is one of the only viable pokemon in the game that can “remove” hazards in front of gholdengo.

[@GlobalDigitalEmpire]

Cinderace is actually the least effected by the Protean/Libero nerf because Libero doesn't activate if you use Pyro Ball (since it's already fire type) so you can still switch up moves once. But Greninja likes choice sets too much so I can see why it's not "effected" as much in that respect.

[@spamgoose6447]

Gallade got some amazing buffs too, sharpness buffing its slicing moves and getting secret sword and aqua cutter now. Hits like a truck now and have great slicing move coverage

[@spamgoose6447]

I also think Zamazenta (not in the game yet but still sees plays on pokemon showdown) is the biggest loser by far. Got its defense nerfed and its ability nerfed (because zacian got nerfed) and is currently UU in national dex! For a box art legendary to fall that far because its so outclassed by so many things is just sad.

[@rock6450]

it is quite nice how all his slicing moves practically have stab. if you really think about it, gallade is literally a psychic/fighting type defensively, but a psychic/fighting/water/grass/dark type offensively. common gallade w

[@spamgoose6447]

Running him scarf also bolstering his speed makes him very scary to switch into, nobody wants to take those hits even tanky mons

[@dootsouls]

*sacred sword. Much different from Secret Sword

[@spamgoose6447]

@@dootsouls yeah, darn auto correct lol

[@pappy2690]

Scizor gaining close combat is nice, but losing roost makes it hard for me to agree that its a top 3 winner in this generation

[@tbolt__]

I really liked this video. I won't comment on the individual picks, but the music selections during the Loser #3 and #2 really reminded me of your earlier episodes (I kinda missed those themes ngl), and I also like how you include Showdown replays in Scizor's and Breloom's section to illustrate how high level tournaments were using the old fighting moves, instead of XD/PBR/BW footage.

[@trashtai]

I think that Dragapult is a huge winner, every mon that comes back or is new either loses to Dragapult or makes common Pult teammates more useful. Finally physical ghost stab with Tera blast ghost to make DD sets better, and Chien Pao banned as its one reason to use speed boosting natures meaning it can run adamant or modest to make its attacks sting more, and you have a big winner for gen 9.

[@Drake00000010]

It lost its cool animation

[@mr.penguindrewmateo8146]

@@Drake00000010 Dragapult: I won, but at what cost

[@trashtai]

@@Drake00000010 a truly awful sacrifice

[@kookiecam4735]

I remember using tera blast ghost, but relying on tera for ghost stab just ain't it and most people just run phantom force in the end because tera could be saved for many better options. I don't mean pult is a bad mon. It's just a bad idea to make a pokemon reliant on tera (avalugg💀).

[@wesleyowens4089]

​@@kookiecam4735 avalug isn't reliant on tera if you use a snow team. I've had great success using avalug along with abomasnow and slowking. Tera definitely still helps but I'm the snow the lug goes crazy

[@henry5274]

I feel like cinderaces libero is still golden since he has u-turn. he just needs to dance around a little more.... or dribble around.....

[@gabrielevalentini4438]

You know the actual reason on why Cinderace is still good? It's because unlike Greninja and Meowscarada the Fire monotype allows Cinderace to not waste Libero by spamming the STAB

[@MrcreeperDXD777]

Cinderace also has court change, which is an underrated move imo. Being able to uno reverse card all of your opponents hazard is so good

[@aSh-pi1in]

@@gabrielevalentini4438 not to mention that it has High Attack and moves with more than 110 BP, being Byro Ball and HJK

[@marcorossi2854]

Court change is what makes it hold up in OU

[@TalkingVidya]

Honestly, I hope we don't get Tera banned in the future but they implement an open sheet system like VGC but only with the Tera type

[@zeospark9715]

Rillaboom got it rough as well. Mainly because it lost one of it's best stab moves: Grassy Glide. Thanks to it's ability to set up Grassy Terrain, Gillaboom always able to hit first and very hard with Grassy Glide, but now lost that move entirely. It also lost a very good coverage move in High Horsepower allowing it to hit Fire types for super effective damage.

[@herhhetj5372]

Grassy glide's BP is nerfed too

[@gallantblade1825]

They removed all the “Terrain boosting” moves from those Pokemon. Indeedee lacks Expanding Force, and Pincurchin lacks Rising Voltage. Am glad the monkey is nerfed tho.

[@quandaledingle9725]

All though floatzel wasn’t available in swsh, it still should count as one of if not the biggest winner in gen 9 since it’s legitimate in OU thanks to adamant cb stab tera water wave crash under rain dealing an unholy amount of damage

[@victorlinares4137]

Thats just a niche. Clodsire and dondozo sit on it

[@el_blackgohan]

@@victorlinares4137 dondozo yes , clodsire ? Water absorb is worse than unaware

[@genosins]

​@@victorlinares4137 well no water absorb clod is a gimmick and is terrible dondonzo still gets forced to rest eventually

[@tales9342]

Yeah but don isn’t that good

[@genosins]

@@tales9342 don is good wdym its a great wall the only real issue it has is the whole rest is its only recovery option

[@blue6168]

Chomp was not buffed, arguably nerfed. Losing Scale Shot outweighs gaining Spikes easily, also Scizor lost Roost and I'm very confused on how you thought of Slowking and Cinderace over Slowbro and Greninja here lol

[@iantaakalla8180]

For all he talks about Slowking it can at least stall for lesser periods of time. Slowbro can’t do anything.

[@herhhetj5372]

Spikes is better than scale shot

[@sreenaths6829]

Agreed. I absolutely adore this channel but this video just ain't it lol

[@kookiecam4735]

I mean, Chomp had adapted to being TankChomp for a while now, offensive chomp still exists but isn't as common as the mostly hazard stacker Then again, there's great tusk to compete with for hazard stack as tusk can also remove their own side of hazards with spin, so Chomp really took the L this gen

[@senabecool7232]

Pokemon HOME has brought back Scale Shot to Chomp

[@GlobalDigitalEmpire]

Slowbro got hit a lot more than Slowking. Slowking still got Chilly Reception which is basically a teleport with Snow synergy

[@fnnnn5986]

This didn't age well lol. Poor Chomp.

[@EleanorRea]

Toxapex was my favorite pokemon of gen 7 and 8, i loved using it so much sleep well sweet prince o7

[@harmless_xd4107]

It's still good idk where they got the idea that it was bad from. Being able to use toxic is actually a really big draw, as the only other ou mon that gets it is clodsire who has dogshit phys def

[@ryans8081]

The recovery nerf killed stall, but with all the new mons that got unaware in gen 9, maybe it was for the better.

[@nicolasturetta7959]

It changed stall, not killed

[@victorlinares4137]

​@@nicolasturetta7959 yeah its mostly crazy hazard stacking and blocking instead of pp draining

[@N12015]

@@nicolasturetta7959 Nah, it is dead, but that's mostly due to Gholdengo denying defog.

[@abarette_]

there you have it, the "made stall balanced == killed stall" meme

[@blazefactor6849]

@@abarette_ Stall was balanced in both Gen 7 and 8. Balance teams were typically much more popular, with stall just being alright. As it is right now, Stall is kind of bad, all things considered.

[@sonic5993]

Really appreciate these different types of videos along with your shorts on competitive Pokemon lately

[@CaptainJLinebeck]

Man this video certainly aged. Cinderace is described as a Loser in this while currently it's the 11th most used mon in OU, and now Dragonite has fallen to 15th and other supposed winner Garchomp is dangerously close to falling to UU at 38th

[@danka1167]

Dragonite is defo a winner compared to cinderace, just remember cinderace was a bad uber last gen, nowadays it’s exclusively will o wisp and court change support. Dragonite is still a massive threat every team needs an answer for. But garchomp straight up lost

[@glacierwolf2155]

The nerfing of Toxapex is a true "Rip Bozo" moment.

[@nemohimself2580]

They put the stinky on him

[@Josh-ti3ox]

"barely considered anything in ou" is the last way i'd describe cinderace, greninja definitely lost way harder coming into gen 9

[@dragaleoreforged3999]

I don’t think toxapex is that bad i mean then again I use it on my offensive teams sometimes because I need a Defensive pivot but still it’s definitely not as Donita’s before but it’s still usable, Black sludge, Toxic and venoshock can do work and chilling water is great because it lowers attack

[@UltimateTrap421]

6:52 Well this didn't age well, but tbf this was during the early days. I have no doubt that Chomp will dominate in UU

[@luckster6255]

I was *not* happy when I found out GF cut roost from Murkrow’s moveset. Prankster roost was one of my favorite tricks to pull. At least it’s doing well in VGC.

[@deltalord6969]

I think you should do a video which clumps all the Pokémon you've made a video on so far into one on how each one is currently doing in the scarlet and violet meta.(eventually once everything settles down)Cause you probably wouldn't want to do another updated video on every Pokémon again just for one generation.

[@adrianchoyce8151]

Petition to have a side series "How good am I actually" we need to see you play some comp pokemon!! :) Maybe even stream Your content is very good and im always exited for the next release

[@hiccupasterisk]

Funny to see this video now that Cinderace and Toxapex are still OU while Garchomp is stuck in UU hell

[@X-35173]

THANK YOU OMFG!!! I learned about Court Change when my Tinkaton rolled it on Metronome and it actually happened to flip stealth rocks. I didn't catch the name and then went crazy trying to find it to prove I wasn't lying about what I saw. I couldn't find it on any new pokemon nor in any list of new moves. I didn't know it existed in gen 8 because I never used cinderace and never saw the move used so I thought it was new to gen 9. Omg that plagued me from week 1 of gen 9 being out

[@slashine1071]

This aged like milk.

[@brandontherabboat4850]

Greninja and Toxapex feel like they were personally dragged behind the Tiering Tower and got their kneecaps (spines?) shattered by Game Freak themselves before the Scarlet and Violet metagame was formed.

[@carucath97]

Feels like Game Freak hates that Greninja is more popular than Charizard

[@of5606]

Good

[@gengarzilla1685]

We saw from Mimikyu's Disguise nerf in Gen 8 that Game Freak do pay attention to competitive stuff.

[@carucath97]

@I’m In SPACE! I’m not a massive fan of either too

[@dataexpunged4784]

@@carucath97 I'm surprised they didn't give it the double Paradox form treatment like they did Donphan and Volcarona, though there is a chance they'll change that in the future. Who knows, maybe this is a sign that GameFreak has been paying attention to the fandom's disdain for how much they've wanked the lizard since Gen 6

[@skeetermania3202]

Wow, old school FSG music for the Slowking section?

[@bennettarmstrong9332]

It always feels like a personal gift when I open up youtube and see a false swipe gaming video uploaded “5 minutes ago”

[@Musasensei1674]

same frfr

[@J242D]

They should definitely buff superpower to a physical make it rain of sorts, honestly a -1 atk is probably more integral on its own than -1 defensive stats

[@ausma9350]

breloom also got bulldoze-big into dengo-and loaded dice. id argue bulldoze is particularly big as it means it can actually legitimately pressure poisons/dengo, and loaded dice can let it muscle through them more consistently as well

[@bluebaron6811]

The fact that Power-Up Punch got removed is a big bummer. While Swords Dance was obviously better, some Pokémon don't have the luxury of a nice stat-boosting status move. But it was probably for the better; Imagine Tera Fighting Breloom with Power-Up Punch, Mach Punch, Bullet Seed, and Spore.

[@dynosgarcia7645]

Dragonite had many different strategies over the generations, like in gen 5 dragon gen turned outrage into an instakill button, or in gen 6/7 flynium turned fly into an instakill button, or in gen 9 tera-normal turned extreme speed into an instakill button

[@StoopedDaDum]

blissey deserves to be here, lost teleport, soft boiled pp and toxic. cinderace and toxapex are both still ou, but blissey has dropped hard in usage.

[@etymonlegomenon931]

11:19 You should've given a shout-out to Excadrill's new ability Imposter. Great surprise cleaner

[@absolutetrash7880]

Golduck, while not OU by any means, getting Nasty Plot finally was a huge buff to my favorite duck boi

[@railgun222]

I think that Cinderace honestly still has a lot going for it, choice band libero would leave the opposing team utterly demolished

[@Hyperneosonic97]

And I mean, Greninja is right there, it got nerfed harder than Cinderace did.

[@slashine1071]

it's kinda ironic how garchomp is basically ou by a slither at this point and wouldn't even be ou without the buffs. It's hardly a winner.

[@gregorymirabella1423]

you were saying?

[@reddragonair3147]

"And it couldn't have been done to a more deserving piece of junk... Said the player base at large" This commentary on the Toxapex nerf absolutely brightened my day. Thank you.

[@Spore9996]

Look how they slaughtered my boy

[@forestreaper185]

Honestly kinda made me sad. I really like tox so I wish they had left him litterally any useability

[@ivythay4259]

I very often feel like Game Freak really overdoes it with their nerfs.

[@sreenaths6829]

I am still salty over what they did to Darkrai lol

[@V-Jes]

​@@sreenaths6829 that was deserved tho considering how outright broken Dark void was, especially in double and triple battles.

[@Bluecrimson217]

@@V-Jes Then make Dark Void only usable by Darkrai. Easy fix.

[@V-Jes]

@@Bluecrimson217 they did in Gen 7.

[@thechafacomet]

Yoooooo it's nice to hear some of the bgm from your much earlier videos make a comeback after so long

[@majintv24]

Cinderace may have been nerfed but dont forget it basicallg changed the entire ou metagame singlehandedly upon introdution in gen 9. Prior to cinderace the game was mostly just who could get the ksot hazards up and keep them up. You could win games with just ting-lu spamming whirlwing but the possibility of an opponent havinf ace was too much to build around that strat since theyd just let ypu set up and court change them to u

[@LesbianWitchAcademia]

Honestly, I gotta disagree with Loser #1. Gren lost WAY more than Cinderace. At least Cinderace can click its STAB move without triggering Libero, Gren can't say the same with either Water or Dark. Gren also got basically straight out-classed by Meowscarada. Additionally, Gren completely lost Battle Bond, altogether, which also means Water Shuriken is back to being basically unusable. Yes, Cinderace got a fairly large nerf, with it not being able to boost effectively, anymore, but it can still run Boots Court Change, and it can still run Scarfed and Banded sets perfectly fine.

[@gengarzilla1685]

Garchomp, an outright winner? Yeah getting Spikes is nice, but that's come at a cost of losing Scale Shot and the sweeping potential it offered. Now Garchomp once again has no way to independently fix the 102 base Speed stat that continues to fall short with each passing generation. I'd argue that Garchomp's case is a tad more nuanced than you might say.

[@TheDeathmail]

I'd argue that Greninja got a bigger nerf because Protean is the same ability as Libero AND Battle Bond got Nerf'd....

[@RaymonZX200]

If Shedinja comes back oh boy he's going to be the BIGGEST winner

[@wesleyowens4089]

Tera electric with an air balloon will be pretty hard to beat

[@BARBERSHOPP]

Scizor takes an L by losing Roost, and Espeed is not the strongest prio move, First Impression is

[@ceoofjeanneism6777]

Good to see Garchomp being still the menace it's always been

[@ShinyTillDawn]

imagine DPPt Garchomp having spikes

[@disc06]

Chomp became so skilled at playing piano for Cynthia that Gamefreak couldn’t ignore it and spoiled it a little.

[@frearcher8246]

​​@@disc06 Garchomp got next to nothing good throughout the years outside of a useful ability and Scale Shot until this gen though.

[@PerfectAzrael]

@@disc06 I wouldn't be surprised if Garchomp is the one to receive favouritism from Gamefreak.

[@cradiculous]

@@disc06 Not bad for a pokemon that only seems to have a single finger on each arm.

[@BlazedAzn]

Super power Lurantis contrary with tera fighting would have been extremely dangerous. Unfortunately they removed it. Couldve had a potential OU with Lurantis big miss opportunity

[@memark8]

I’m surprised that you didn’t mention that Weavile also lost triple axel.

[@arcanusafonso2647]

While the "stall nerfs" did affect Pex and the Slow Twins hard, they still have niches in OU and are somewhat useable. Blissey, on the other hand, lost absolutely everything and is struggling to keep up in RU of all places

[@spyroclone152]

Welp, Cinderace is still pretty solid in OU and it's not banned to the shadow realm of ubers. So I see this as an absolute win lol.

[@ZunkleFunkle]

The thumbnail art is mad cute and I hope you work with the artist again in the future!

[@blazie42069]

Slowking may have lost, but galarian slowking won big, it finally has the futureport that it very much wanted during gen 8, which means the reign of galarian slowking shall start. Also slowbro got nerfed harder than slowking since it got nothing in compensation for losing teleport.

[@Hyperneosonic97]

Adding to this, Greninja got nerfed harder than Cinderace did, since it ALSO lost Ash-Greninja, with Battle Bond now essentially being a Once Per Battle Moxie.

[@ajduong]

I would argue Slowbro got hit worse than Slowking. 1. It's physical defence is not very imposing anymore with the new gens mons 2. It didn't get any form of pivot, like slowking did 3. Losing scald hurts it more, as it can no longer threaten physical attackers who are super effective against it

[@PeterGriffin11]

I'm still confused as to why Breloom can't learn Trailblaze and why Flareon can no longer learn Flame Charge.

[@timmyreobed5043]

Breloom can't learn Trailblaze because Gamefreak is terrified of fast Spore users. It's the same reason behind Toedscruel being saddled with Mycelium Might.

[@Qvartz_Lite]

Scarfed Garchomp is still excellent I love switching him in and earthquake everything to oblivion because the opponent used taunt thinking I was going to set up hazzards

[@amxterxsu138]

this didnt age well

[@typhlosion7872]

I feel like Cinderace both lost and won. Libero was nerfed hard, but it did get Swords Dance and with the addition of Gholdengo, it's been a solid utility mon

[@coreylineberry8557]

I'd say Gallade got a massive buff with Sharpness.

[@videakias3000]

weavile is a bigger loser than cinderace. cinderace may not be the monster that it was in gen 8 but it is still usable in OU. weavile didn't just drop to UU,it dropped all the way down to RU. even though chien pao is banned nobody is using it.

[@SDSwampert]

Interesting that Slowbro and Greninja were absent instead of Slowking and Cinderace

[@lloydbagby8355]

To be fair genija has spikes so it not like it can use unity and loaded dice is a thing so water shurkin can pick any thing plus it still good on rain so it not completely nefted compared to cindrace

[@OmegaTyrant]

Praying for DLC tutors to give Weavile Knock Off and Triple Axel back. At least Sneasler is gonna be great when Home finally comes.

[@RebelTrooperHoth]

I don’t think Toxapex was nerfed as much as Weavile or Blissey. It’s still OU, while the others are RU now

[@iantaakalla8180]

For Toxapex to be nerfed, it would need to lack all of its tools, though losing Haze and Regenerator is enough.

[@powderedtoastman1858]

finally someone mentions weavile

[@l.n.3372]

I don't play modern Pokemon games (I stopped after gen 6). But since Dragonite is one of my favorite Pokes, and since I'm still salty it never got a mega evolution or an alt form, I'm glad to hear that Dragonite is doing well in the modern gen.

[@AnAshenSpirit]

i'd consider blissey to be nerfed pretty hard given it's loss of teleport and wish

[@darkrose8328]

You forgot no toxic

[@AnAshenSpirit]

@@darkrose8328 true!

[@enderchau954]

the most ironic nerf/buff is bisharp's new evo:Kingambit. Completley kicking bisharp out of Ou to NFE...

[@just_a_rebel8261]

Cinderace wasnt a loss libero is still decent and it still has courtchange you also forgot to mention floatzel I think he had the biggest glow up this gen he went from almost never being seen on any team to becoming one of the best swift swimmers this format

[@NylaTheWolf]

I'm still devastated about Weavile's nerfs. Weavile is my favorite Pokemon and I took a break from competitive Pokemon in gen 8. I come back to find that I missed the gen where Weavile was amazing and now he was badly nerfed. It's like GameFreak went out of their way to attack me specifically 😭

[@bananabeans5046]

Nice to see Scizor get a buff

[@bulborb8756]

see Scyther & Scizor gained Close Combat in Legends Arceus, and gen 9 made the decision to let them keep that move, which is great since both of them can't do a thing to steel types

[@alexursu4403]

Gen X: U-Turn gets nerfed to 60 BP.

[@tales9342]

@@alexursu4403 Scizor stocks are rising

[@atristand5603]

Lost roost though. I think?

[@shreyanshbehera8550]

@@alexursu4403 yes pls

[@MaxBurnHeart]

It's interesting that both Toxapex and Chansey/Blissey weren't called losers of this generation. While Cinderace change was a big one, Chansey/Blissey lost Teleport, Toxic, Wish, Aromatherapy, Heal Bell and PP on Softboiled. That's humongous nerf. Now it's just standing in the field, taking special hits, maybe throwing Stealth Rocks, Thunder Wave or Seismic Toss. That's literally all it can do now. Perfect substitute setup fodder. No wonder people don't play Chansey and Blissey dropped to RU (I expect Blissey to drop to NU soon). Similar story to Toxapex. It lost Scald, Knock Off and PP on Recover. That's a big boy nerf. Now it doesn't really have tools to pressure the opponent and it can't really recover stall. All it can do is be an annoying toxic spikes setter and regenerator abuser. Which is still doing something in OU, but it's nowhere near as threatening.