How GOOD was Venomoth ACTUALLY? - History of Venomoth in Competitive Pokemon (Gens 1-7)

[@scorpioncox8978]

*In a nutshell* *Gens 1-4* Venomoth: Nobody cared who I was. *Gens 5-7* Venomoth: Until I started to dance.

[@RamdozaCh]

Scorpion Cox at least he became who he truly wanted to be

[@hisen3.146]

*Gen 8* Venomoth: Mr. Free... I don't feel so well... Butterfree: *laughs in gigantimax*

[@bananaspice1967]

Are those Latin Rhythems? I love Latin Rhythems.

[@redwings13400]

Quiver dance is an amazing move. Once you get to the 3 stats buffed in a single move, you start to gain value with even one turn of surviving the setup. Swords Dance, dragon dance, calm mind, bulk up, cosmic power, all fair to good, balanced moves that require you to attack or survive 2 moves in order to get them to pay off, but quiver dance, if you set it up once, you're terrifying, and the boosts mean its usually easier to set it up multiple times. Add tinted lens and baton pass to this and suddenly you're a monster.

[@jacobruby2237]

Venomoth Gen 4: Also when I got Tinted Lens and a neesh with Shield Dust.

[@sarasaland4709]

It’s so heartwarming that a Pokémon that got slammed at every corner suddenly became good. So happy to see Venomoth come so far.

[@timclemens9937]

Sarasaland Subserviant just like his rby fellow bug/poison type Beedrill in gen 6 and 7 ^^

[@yourdailysadisticfolkfromi6619]

Never thought it was decent despite having the same type combo from a beedrill

[@MoistMarsupial]

For real though. You'd expect presumably mediocre gen 1 mons to be unusable in the later gens but quiver dance was like "nah."

[@MultiWilliam25]

Meanwhile some of the original RBY monsters like Exeggutor and Tauros became PU and power creep has knocked Metagross down to RU.

[@maskofice9432]

@@timclemens9937 I actually like this story better because it both was slowly getting better each generation and didn't need a mega to suddenly make it, but just slowly got more and more tools that it could use to become a beast

[@geoshmeo1900]

This "How Good was X pokemon" video was actually just the journey of a shonen anime protagonist.

[@TheStrongestBaka]

The moth pulled off a top 10 anime comeback.

[@SlyScyther]

A side character with a good arc

[@LordBeau]

SlyScyther THE CHAZZ

[@riodaweirdo3062]

Lord Beau CHAZZ IT UP

[@sabahatfatima1415]

How good was luxray ( I am crying right now) actually would like to know your location

[@magmamaster1801]

"being weak to psychic made anything not named Victreebell unviable" *renames Venomoth to "Victreebell"* Modern problems require modern solutions.

[@goldenhydreigon4727]

Alternate solution: Rename Alakazam and Exeggutor to Arbok and Weezing

[@geometryemperor]

I think you are not allowed to nickname a Mon a name of another Mon. So, for example, you are not allowed to nickname a Pikachu into Nidoking.

[@magmamaster1801]

@@geometryemperor I just named a Zubat "Pikachu" so it works.

[@abhishekverma8303]

@@magmamaster1801 he was talking about showdown probably

[@grandmagertrude7676]

@@abhishekverma8303 that might be a move in competitive honestly. It sounds like a rule that would be there

[@lususnaturae3082]

*Unfortunately* Me: Here we go again. *Checks video length* Me: Wait what?!

[@gengarzilla1685]

I love it when FSG videos subvert everyone's expectations like this.

[@jakeimw7381]

Me looking at venomoth typing in gen 1 “May god have mercy on its soul”

[@陳嘉宇-y4q]

And God have heard your pray

[@itriggerpeople4433]

Arceus*

[@Cinko420]

I TRIGGER PEOPLE *Mewtwo There was no Arceus in Kanto.

[@mo0116]

@@Cinko420 what God has an ekans biting it's groin lol

[@princebapalapashamalamadin7712]

@@Cinko420 I believe you meant "Omanyte"

[@bramderacourt9499]

Venomoth entering the competitive scene like: So anyway, I just started dancing

[@snapclub8751]

Bram Deracourt 😂😂😂

[@MoodRealm_Native]

Gen 7: Metagross: RU, used to be OU *Venomoth: Used to be horrible, then pops in UU* This feels odd...but the tiers be like this.

[@beebobber546]

Gamefreak: “we need to give Pokémon a mega evolution that really need one” Fans: “how about Venomoth” Gamefreak: “did you say Salamence? Say no more!”

[@ricardooliveira562]

Thats why megas bother me so much.

[@bearandthebull2372]

Which is weirder since fucking beedrill got one,but moth got nothing.

[@lyokowarrior2545]

Arbok too

[@shady8045]

tbf salamance is kinda bad now

[@Acacius1992]

Garchomp, Mewtwo (FUCKING TWO TIMES EVEN!) Tyranitar Salamence Lucario... ALL Pokemon who REALY dont need a mega of course get one.... Honestly? I'm pretty happy for Altaria Beedrill Mawile and Lopunny to get at least a mega. THEY are realy deserved a mega (and most of them also look pretty decent unlike Salamence who is a freaking flying Croisant now!)

[@maxspecs]

“Banned from UU despite being a NU mon” Wat.

[@cintronproductions9430]

WHAT!?

[@robertovasquez6062]

Crazy how an ability moves and type can change the whole

[@FabsterCola]

This was a complex ban. You see, it was banned from UU because it was simply too good for that meta, but in NU it simply wasn't that good. The things that check and counter Venomoth were only good in NU. ;)

[@butteredsalmonella]

So basically Venomoth was in Gen 6 NU but had a Niche in UU, Venomoth's Niche became a Mainstay Staple and was too powerful in UU and was banned to UUBL, Baton Pass was banned which allowed it to fall all the way down to RU but shattered RU and was banned to RUBL. It's the same as Pokemon having a Niche in higher tiers but sucks in it's own tier but Venomoth was too oppressive that he left a tier where he sucked ass. What a ride, Venomoth rose and fell tiers like it's an Elevator. U N F O R T U N A T E L Y

[@doubleace11554]

@Fabian MEDINA MEDINA Maybe Dugtrio with Arena Trap, or Shadoe Tag users?

[@beanburrito4405]

Gen 1: Completely and utterly useless Gen 2: Lurks in the tiniest of niches in NU Gen 3: Decent in NU, although overlooked Gen 4: Tiniest of niches in OU; decent in UU, although overlooked; very strong in NU Gen 5: Overbearing in RU (Equivalent to previous gen NUs in terms of tiering placement) to the point of being banned with Baton Pass, decent in UU, although overlooked Gen 6: Overbearing in UU to the point of getting banned with Baton Pass, Overbearing in RU to the point of getting banned without Baton Pass, tiniest of niches in UU without Baton Pass Gen 7: Strong in UU without Baton Pass Venomoth not only rose in the tiering rung every single gen, but also did so amidst everything else falling around it due to Power Creep. What a godly moth. Hope it gets banned from UU when it (hopefully) gets introduced in Gen 8, so this trend will continue

[@OriginalGameteer]

Alas Our moth friend did not return to Galar

[@14fluffies]

Seeing venomoth be banned from uu when volcarona is there would be a trip.

[@sayzar9474]

Imagine Venomoth getting a stat buff at some point

[@komododragon7619]

Sad. He'd have been okay. Resists one of shifus stabs, beats up fairies, ends slowbro....Honestly hed be inferior to volca, but I can see UUBL since the tier below aint really equipped to deal with quivers.

[@Eric-py8yy]

Venomoth is Azumaril, beggan bad but with time venomoth became god

[@borby4584]

In the end, Venomoth proved that it truly could handle all terrains.

[@agata-1337]

he is (with quiver dance settup) a nice counter to the tapus if you put time and effort on him.

[@olivernguyen1709]

ALL TERRAIN VEHICLE

[@williamhuynh869]

Except ubers of course

[@droidixbacon]

@@williamhuynh869 HeY fErB i KnOw WhAt We'rE gOnNa Do ToDaY!

[@williamhuynh869]

@@droidixbacon we are going to make it Ubers worthy? Im in.

[@OrtexofWill]

FSG: Venomoth was actually banned twice in gen 6. Koga: I'm proud of you, my friend...

[@richraichu1370]

sabrina:me 2

[@Eric-py8yy]

Sabrina Isnt worth of venomoth

Why not Landorus?

[@zander_19]

ATV is an absolute legend

[@Revoltine]

Most anime moment in the playthrough, IMO.

[@XenoTheTurtle]

Yeah, may the dragon slayer forever remain in our minds and hearts

[@GhostlyMorpher]

What a Legend he was, despite being 20 levels or so behind

[@CAMSLAYER13]

@@GhostlyMorpher lucky for venomoth gen 1 ai isn't very good

[@generaldreagonlps6889]

@@CAMSLAYER13 It only seems that way because ATV is such a boss.

[@goodgame6722]

It’s so beautiful to see a gen 1 Pokémon be usable in UU in gen 7.

[@yourdailysadisticfolkfromi6619]

Ik

[@edwardrobinson5470]

Yes. Instead of a gen 1 pokemon getting worse each gen after.

[@TheStarswearee]

Ikr

[@ksoundkaiju9256]

No evolution or anything

[@esqimo6647]

Gengar:

[@chaosbreaker657]

Venomoth: *gets banned from UU even with unspectacular stats* Crawdaunt: *gives a thumbs up*

[@cintronproductions9430]

@Clove Conway It probably breaks off a claw, holds it upside down, then grows a new one. XD

[@itriggerpeople4433]

@Clove Conway *THUMBS UP IN LOBSTER*

[@Eriorguez]

UU is very ban-happy tho, to the point UUBL sometimes approaches the size of an actual tier.

[@cintronproductions9430]

@@Eriorguez Ugh, IKR? It's so annoying.

[@MegaGeewee]

UU has a very specific metagame in mind, which is absolutely cancerous. Hell, look at gen 3 UUBL, which is BIGGER THAN UU OR OU

[@aidendavid2680]

Gen 5 happens Everyone: well time to drop a tier Venomoth : time to rise 2 tiers

[@gengarzilla1685]

Venomoth: Power creep? What's that?

[@djt08031996]

Can't wait to see it get banned in ubers

[@krookking2237]

Milotic/Metagross/Mega Blastoise: RU in gen7. Venomoth: RUBL I guess power creep and moves really can make or break a pokemon

[@zxb995511]

If Blastoise had gotten Shell Smash in gen 5 he would probably have been an OU staple. So one move can indeed make all the difference.

[@ricardooliveira562]

Now thats ironic......I like it.

[@cintronproductions9430]

@@zxb995511 Thing is, in Showdown, where Blastoise could Mega evolve and use Shell Smash, it was instantly banned, so if it got Shell Smash in gen 7, Mega Blastoise would be banned at once.

[@butteredsalmonella]

Mega Blastoise of all things was banned in National Dex. y'know, the same place where Galarian Darmanitan, Dracovish, Melmetal and Metagross-Mega are all running wild.

[@74URS74]

the nerf to steel not resisting dark hurt steel/psychic a lot it seems

[@nightdazernoneya7993]

A good example of a bug becoming a decent monster with some GF love. Also, that design 👌

[@Musasensei1674]

quiver dancer

[@goGothitaLOL]

@@Musasensei1674 Tinted Lens, Sleep Powder and Toxic Spikes

[@leonardofarias8843]

@@goGothitaLOL Venoshock if you can attack poisoned pokemon often and safely

[@Glory2Snowstar]

Venomoth’s eyes are some of the best How those weird black orbs in the middle make them look like pseudopupils, fitting their bugginess It’s just sick dude

[@jimmy6844]

#MothGang

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

Quiver dance with substitute improved a lot of bugs types really and his tinted lens truly helped frag his counter matchups

[@silver_was_found]

Hello, fellow Venomoth enjoyer :) Quiver dance sweeping is still funny after three years.

[@greyscaleadaven]

15:30 can we talk about how good this transition is

[@leskoopmann6714]

yes

[@Canthisbeunique]

Also resembles it's career, so proud of it

[@MangaSt]

Wonderful

[@mcdonnell-douglasdc-1056]

Looks like Venomoth bounced back after it's disastrous first 2 generations.

[@beanburrito4405]

This might be the only Gen 1 Pokémon that has been consistently doing better and better since it’s debut... most others fall through the tiers or stagnate in a tier

[@goGothitaLOL]

Clefable with Magic Guard, Unaware and Fairy type, as well as 10+ in Sp. Atk Nidos (more so Nidoking) with Sheer Force, which that ability combined with Life Orb does a lot of damage without the LO recoil, even with only 85 sp. atk

[@halfpace1462]

There's a decent chunk but most die miserably, Venusaur did pretty well

[@senabecool7232]

Dragonite: Am I a joke to you?

[@selder_7]

A series of unfortunate events: book 1 - having a psychic weakness in gen 1

[@yourdailysadisticfolkfromi6619]

Bruh

[@matthewkuscienko4616]

.....And don't forget about being bug type, too. Bug was completely useless in gen1.

[@jaschabull2365]

*looks at the eye-shaped symbol representing the psychic type in the cards* checks out...

[@starmapping7848]

@Magnus Von Braun Most probably Venomoth cause it was top 5 best NU Gen 1 Pokemon

[@shellnut8224]

@@starmapping7848 uh, no, its good as a lead with paralysis and sleep but its not even close to top 5.

[@odintheterridorable8097]

Someone please turn that “UNFORTUNATELY” into a ring tone.

[@itriggerpeople4433]

Specifically when your ex texts you

[@disrespectsniper8191]

lol

[@mauwus4322]

Doesn't begin

[@LakeTheLegend]

They need to make it into a shirt or something at this point lol

[@spencerhail6068]

Imagine having a ring tone with it saying "Unfortunately" and your in the Bus as your phone rings saying "Unfortunately, Unfortunately, Unfortunately, Unfortunately" XD the People in the Bus would be watching you as your get your phone, they will think "your phone is a broken record' XDD haha XD

[@jeremyfaure1888]

I would have loved to hear about the (albeit short) devastating career during Let's Go Full Candies meta, where Venomoth didn't only become OU, it became top tier in it.

[@gengarzilla1685]

Oh, and it's also an actual part of BDSP OU.

[@3.2187_Kilometres]

Banned from a tier for 3 gens straight? Venomoth became the RU BL version of Staraptor.

[@MegaMicah12]

Except Venomoth isn’t outclassed and is usable in UU lol.

[@cintronproductions9430]

@@MegaMicah12 So, Staraptor is bad?

[@doubleace11554]

@@cintronproductions9430 Maybe up to Gen 5, but in Gen 6 and 7 Staraptor has no uses in OU

[@krowking123]

And Venomoth started as a crappy NU mon, heck it was bad in NU. The little moth that could!

[@laxusstrauss5945]

@@doubleace11554 but it is not in UU for a reason It is too strong for the tier

[@aminadabbrulle8252]

Complete FSG evaluation so far: 1. Charizard - pretty decent 2. Venusaur - consistently good 3. Unown - I don't know, who cares 4. Blastoise - very, very mediocre 5. Dragonite - incredible /one of the greatest Pokemon of all time 6. Starmie - great 7. Snorlax - edge early on, but later dropped off 8. Gengar - phenomenal 9. Alakazam - great start, but later pushed down 10. Gyarados - pretty good 11. Chansey/Blissey - one of the best Pokemon 12. Machamp - decent 13. Arcanine - wasn't a bad Pokemon, wasn't a top threat 14. Lapras - not that good 15. Articuno - even more not that good 16. Zapdos - pretty damn good 17. Moltres - better than I expected 18. Tauros - it were rough two decades for him 19. Aerodactyl - decent 20. Nidoking - pretty good 21. Scizor - great /truly great 22. Tyranitar - was and is amazing 23. Rhydon/Rhyperior - decent, at least for a bit 24. Shuckle - bad, until maybe gen six 25. Heracross - honestly, it was pretty good 26. Smeargle - pretty good 27. Skarmory - amazing, in singles 28. Golbat/Crobat - OK 29. Slowbro - pretty good 30. Wigglytuff - outclassed 31. Porygon/Porygon2 - Porygon sucked, but Porygon2 was pretty good 32. Porygon-Z - OK 33. Seadra/Kingdra - hard to say, OK, I guess? Seadra just kinda sucked, really 34. Onix/Steelix - Onix was outclassed, Steelix started out well, but never really got anything 35. Azumarill - certainly wasn't a Pokegod, but once it got its combination, it was terryfying 36. Magneton/Magnezone - pretty good, especially after evolving 37. Sneasel/Weavile - Sneasel was pretty bad, but Weavile was pretty good 38. Poliwrath - not great 39. Espeon - hard to say, potentially one of the strongest non-uber Pokemon 40. Umbreon - pretty decent 41. Ampharos - wasn't that good 42. Cloyster - pretty damn good 43. Houndoom - a little underwhelming 44. Togetic/Togekiss - Togetic f**king sucked, but Togekiss was pretty damn good 45. Pikachu - pretty bad 46. Raichu - pretty bad 47. Breloom - pretty amazing, to be honest 48. Garchomp - in a word, amazing 49. Gardevoir - up and down 50. Gligar/Gliscor - Gligar wasn't great, but Gliscor was awesome 51. Feraligatr - it depends, kinda well, not great, but certainly not atrocious 52. Typhlosion - not great 53. Quagsire - man, I don't f**king know 54. Meganium - sucks 55. Dunsparce - sucked 56. Donphan - pretty dang average 57. Jolteon - for most of its life, really good 58. Vaporeon - pretty good 59. Flareon - sucked and still sucks 60. Metagross - incredible 61. Salamence - amazing 62. Swampert - good 63. Blaziken - probably best starter of all time... for now 64. Wobbuffet - hard to say 65. Sceptile - pretty below average 66. Clefable - dramatically shifting its whole life, nowadays strong placement 67. Tentacruel - OK, for a while 68. Jumpluff - honestly not very good, but better than you might expect 69. Exeggutor - steepest decline of all covered Pokemon 70. Mewtwo - you're kidding, right? 71. Mew - really good 72. Lucario - really strong 73. Kangaskhan - OK 74. Flygon - never face of the tier, but always important and defining 75. Milotic - proud representative of its kind 76. Dugtrio - once it gain Arena Trap, it become the force 77. Suicune - as good as it is regal 78. Raikou - pretty good 79. Entei - not that good 80. Marowak - had a bone or two to pick 81. Ninetales - not very good at all 82. Gallade - pretty decent 83. Tangela/Tangrowth - among the most forgettable Pokemon, but once it evolved, it become the damn important pick 84. Electabuzz/Electivire - for the most part, quite bad 85. Magmar/Magmortar - not good, like, ever 86. Misdreavus/Mismagius - OK 87. Pidgeot - bland, until mega made it viable 88. Persian - sucked after first generation 89. Roselia/Roserade - pre-evo wasn't great, Roserade was 90. Weezing - always decent, at least in the lower tiers 91. Ledian - one of the worst Pokemon of all time 92. Muk - pretty alright 93. Delibird - one of the worst competitive Pokemon in history 94. Piloswine/Mamoswine - Piloswine was underrated, but since it evolved, it become the wrecking ball 95. Froslass - definition of a specialised Pokemon 96. Beedrill - until it got mega, one of the worst Pokemon, but after, one of the most important in UU 97. Celebi - great, great Pokemon 98. Aggron - pretty much on the below average side 99. Lugia - every bit as good and some as in other media 100. Infernape - overall, pretty good 101. Sandslash - went from being decent to despondent 102. Empoleon - pretty great 103. Ho-Oh - pretty good 104. Mawile - for its first three generations, seriously awful, but then become one of the biggest threats around 105. Torterra - wasn't fantastic 106. Golem - not all Pokemon can be amazing, and it is a prime example 107. Shedinja - honestly pretty terrible 108. Rayquaza - only superlatives describe how powerful it was 109. Ditto - may not be the best in the older games 110. Scyther - in the grand scheme of things, awful 111. Staraptor - one of the best non-OU Pokemon of all time 112. Lopunny - quite decent 113. Ludicolo - wherever best aplicable has made its trainers jubilant 114. Slowking - wasn’t a superstar, but was a solid overall Pokemon, and it deserves some pants 115. Nidoqueen - her reign has been fruitful 116. Pinsir - functioning quality, then launched into successful territory 117. Murkrow/Honchkrow - the Sopranos of Pokemon weren’t great, but they had their place 118. Claydol - victim of power creep 119. Groudon - amazing and then some 120. Kyogre - every bit as amazing as its legendary status would suggest and then some 121. Jynx - fantastic 122. Volcarona - one of the most powerful Pokemon around 123. Rapidash - not very good 124. Forretress - one of the most successful singles Pokemon of all time 125. Sableye - unique case, for the most part done well 126. Hydreigon - pretty phenomenal run 127. Dialga - very good 128. Palkia - went from utterly dominant to having its viability slashed 129. Jirachi - always ranged from good to great 130. Regirock - good, in the lower tiers 131. Pelipper - before gen 7, not great, putting it kindly 132. Manaphy - quite decent 133. Hitmontop - as unique competetively as design-wise 134. Regice - had a bumpy ride 135. Darkrai - one of the scariest monsters, then unusable 136. Registeel - consistently got the job done like nothing else 137. Miltank - has always found a niche 138. Victini - spotty in OU, until it pulled through 139. Regigigas - most neuter Pokemon of all time 140. Kabutops - mostly been known as one of the best Pokemon in whatever lower tier it landed in 141. Absol - hasn’t been given a toolset well-rounded enough for success 142. Lord Helix - has been dealt a tough hand, but made something of itself regardless 143. Spiritomb - wherever it ended up, was a solid Pokemon 144. Politoed - possibly the best „zero to hero” story in Pokemon 145. Altaria - prime example of new life breathe in with a mega 146. Crawdaunt - hasn’t been a high-tier superstar, but had its place 147. Yanma/Yanmega - Yanma was one of the worst Pokemon in history, but Yanmega found legitimate use 148. Leavanny - even in the lower tiers, it didn’t really have a niche 149. Glaceon - not really very good at all 150. Dewgong - never really been good, at all 151. Sudowoodo - perfect example of a Pokemon that needs an artificial push 152. Giratina - overall solid through and through 153. Hariyama - alright 154. Slaking - kids should overcome their laziness and go to school 155. Dusclops/Dusknoir - lifetime of crippling mediocrity 156. Pachirisu - had utterly nonexistent usage in any singles ever, but the world rejoiced at VGC 2014 157. Abomasnow - quite a good Pokemon 158. Parasect - one of the worst Pokemon of all time 159. Luvdisc - tragedy of Shakespearean proportions 160. Serperior - in its short existence, it has made its presence felt, and then some 161. Toxicroak - quite a fine Pokemon 162. Golduck - never has been truly excellent 163. Emboar - lower tier lifer 164. Haxorus - ferocious and then some 165. Samurott - an NU lifer 166. Victreebel - always had some sort of forceful impact 167. Zoroark - wasn’t good at all, while also being one of the most definitive Pokemon of all time 168. Wynaut - philosophically, it was hella finna woke 169. Leafeon - call it Bill or Ted 170. Galvantula - wasn’t spectacular 171. Chandelure - quite good 172. Greninja - absolute terror 173. Krookodile - UU lifer 174. Hitmonlee - it’s kicked around lower tiers 175. Medicham - epitomy of fear 176. Scolipede - absolutely dominating (UU) as a trend 177. Luxray - wasn’t good at all 178. Sharpedo - genuinely good (as UU lifer) 179. Vileplume - one of the best lower tier Pokemon 180. (AT)Venomoth - hail Venomothra

[@prof.reuniclus21]

Yes!

[@justanoreo3928]

God, someone put this in the history books

[@lennartstockl5826]

This is by far my favorite video on this channel. It's just so heartwarming to see the little bug break out of his shell and become a big and confident moth.

[@harrisonk2635]

I was expecting the “It got the worst diss-honner a fully evolved Pokémon...” speech for this episode. I can safely say that I was pleasantly surprised!

[@NanaKyoto]

Giving Pokémon new moves and abilities as new generations arrive can really make a world of difference, and rise from mediocrity.

[@agata-1337]

like what happened to peliper and torkoal too :3

[@sconefarte]

Also crawdaunt kinda

[@disrespectsniper8191]

And serpertior

[@MrShukaku1991]

Honestly, Bug types got so many amazing abilitys that would be broken on other pokemon types. IE. Tinted lens, Shield dust...

[@goGothitaLOL]

and, Blastoise (who just got Shell Smash), Clefable, Nidoking, and to an lesser extent Nidoqueen. Now if only Electivire has Bulk Up, Volt Tackle, Close Combat, Power Whip, Mach Punch, Drain Punch, Sucker Punch, Knock Off and the abilities Iron Fist and Electric Surge, whiling it's counterpart Magmortar has Earth Power, Dark Pulse, Aura Sphere and the abilities Mega Launcher and Sheer Force if only man :(

[@cyan_goat]

Venomoth was being held back by the lack of good stabs, the absence of the physical and special split and a set up move. Once it got those, it truly shined.

[@Ghi102]

It's so weird because its stats aren't that great. 90 speed and spa is alright, but not stellar and the rest of his stats are really meh. Crazy how good it got with those stats.

[@ItsJustKaya]

Back in days like gen4 as example. 90spe is good. Nowadays 100 is ok and +100 good. For me i am a 'think out of the box - guy' i dont wanna say i hate meta but k hate people who stick with that and judge all pokemons/heroes/units etc by their stats. FSG said it, it had his niche. And some meta-driven player understimate this small niche, or just oversee that cause meta exist duh Basically all lowladder Uber players

[@DerpySuX]

Venomoth is such an underdog story. From absolutely useless to a terrifying sweeper capable of going up against some of the games biggest powerhouses. All hail venomothra

[@lazydelibird]

Government: the quarantine will end in a few weeks The government a few weeks later: U N F O R T U N A T E L Y

[@yourdailysadisticfolkfromi6619]

Lmfao

[@cintronproductions9430]

Even if the quarantine ends, I was told that it doesn't mean the virus ended, so peeps will just keep getting infected and there will be another quarantine. I just want them to at least make a vaccine, if we become immune to the virus we can keep living life normally and then inject ourselves with it whenever it's about to wear off.

[@LordTyph]

@@cintronproductions9430 no, at this point, some seem to just want to force it to continue even if the people don't want to keep it going.

[@venusrose9890]

America's pandemic response doesn't have any place in gen 1 OU.

[@musique-ef3rz]

@@venusrose9890 Outclassed. As the generations went on, it's failures in gen 1 were felt, holding it back. If only it received more attention right off the bat when it really mattered, maybe it would have gotten an evolution in gen 4 :/

[@miau3615]

I like his story it's like the opposite of tauros, he learned how to escape the bottom tiers and slowly become a good pokemon, without a mega or a special trearment The true dragon slayer awaked

[@thewhatness]

I love that _UNFORTUNATELY_ has become a bonafide FSG meme.

[@gustavolessio3106]

bonafide my guy...

[@elijahvasquez6603]

Watching Venemoth 1 shot Metagross at 12:18 is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen 😢

[@LionsEatNoobs]

Venomoth is pretty much one of those Pokémon that while not too spectacular, it did get better tools to use as time goes on.

[@robertharris6092]

But power creep was also a thing as time goes on.

[@dragonkaiser4ever]

Heavy duty boots

[@gengarzilla1685]

Instead of one massive boost like a Mega Evolution, Venomoth just happened to quietly improve over time. Baton Pass, Tinted Lens, and Quiver Dance. Truly a "substance over style" Pokémon.

[@notafan5573]

Wow. I gotta be honest, Venomoth is one of those mons I never really cared about, but seeing it go from chump to champ like this....like the man said; it's just heart warming. It's a true underdog story sadly most pokemon don't get and I honestly appreciate it a lot more now.

[@butteredsalmonella]

"Venomoth is known as a Member of Koga and Janine's team." Sabrina: I sense a person who is wrong.

[@agata-1337]

twich plays pokemon: just watching in the corner

[@LordTyph]

Anime Koga: I see a person who's full of ******

[@gengarzilla1685]

She never should have been associated with a Poison-type. It's just silly. Why couldn't it have been a Hypno?

[@butteredsalmonella]

@@gengarzilla1685 the irony is that the gym trainers in Fuschia has Drowzees.

[@raikaria3090]

I mean, Koga has one in Yellow

[@chaosbreaker657]

9:46 The beat drop matched the flame's burst as Heracross was hit by Fire Blast. Nice little touch, to be honest.

[@ningenslayer6306]

I didn’t realize that at first, it would be awesome if that was intentional.

[@SSB_Seal]

Wow, this is one of the coolest and most eye-opening videos in all the years of this channel. Venomoth is a true success story in terms of buffing over the years, with no heavy-handed stuff like a mega evolution or insane stat changes. Just a trickle of new abilities and moves to power it up!

[@ProfBean69]

Most Pokemon: I got power crept to the moon and back! Venomoth: let's do that... But the other way around. That sounds good.

[@polvocorrupto]

I can already imagine Gen9 Venomoth abusing Quiver Dance + Tinted Lens with Tera Blast.

[@gengarzilla1685]

RU and UU Pokémon: Noooooo you can't just ignore our resistances! Venomoth: haha bug buzz goes bzzzzzzzz

[@KingOfAnime247]

I am honestly surprised from this video. Way to go Venomoth.

[@chaosbreaker657]

Somehow, Venomoth is my favorite 1st gen Bug-type, surpassing even Scyther and Pinsir. Until now, it's still one of my favorite Bug-types, alongside Heracross, Scizor, Durant and Yanmega.

[@jjc4924]

Remember back in Gen. 1 when people say Bug types are the worst types of the series? Boy. Look how long they go.

[@jaretco6423]

And this proves that Bug types can be good and not always be the weaker ones.

[@40mihirkulkarni44]

More like "How good were Quiver Dance and Z moves actually?"

[@EAtheatreguy]

No, that was Volcarona

[@daringiconoclast6547]

And Baton Pass and Tinted Lense and Sleep Powder and Toxic Spikes. No other Pokemon can do all of those things.

[@Christian-rn1ur]

Vivillion can do most of the things Venemoth can, but doesn't come close to comparing.

[@bobbie795]

@@Christian-rn1ur not really they have different set

[@badsolja1]

Oh Yeah this why butterfree , masquerain, dustox and beautifly was top tier Pokémon too last gen right ??

[@cavelstone3240]

15:28 Damn what a transition I don't know if it was intentional or not but that was awsome

[@SerenV11]

Easily one of my favorite vids on the channel. It's just such a wild ride, watching it absolutely invert the usual "powercrept into obscurity" trend, especially for a gen 1 Bug mon; and not only did it find a niche in the first place, it managed to slowly and quietly turn itself into an utter TERROR in the mid-tier meta. Beautiful.

[@maswoodshaheb3931]

Venomoths impact on the meta from gen 4 onwards starts at 4:37, leaving 13 minutes of video left to watch; which is longer than the luxray video. Tfw venomoth was more competitively viable than luxray. Unfortunate does not begin to describe.....

[@Wizard_Lizard_]

I like Venomoth more, so to me this is a good thing.

[@3.2187_Kilometres]

Good because Luxray is boring.

[@openinginawe5518]

Suck for a Luxray fan like me. But congrats to venomoth.

[@thecriticalghost4626]

Not a surprise Venomoth > Luxray

[@gengarzilla1685]

Staraptor set a high standard that Luxray and Bibarel had no hope of reaching.

[@Wildstar5267]

Gen 1: "unfortunately-" gen 5: "No, I don't think I will"

[@Azurezuu]

Venomoth: Is Poison Type Gen 1: I'm going to end this man's whole career before it can even begin

[@lyokowarrior2545]

Arbok video please!

[@陳嘉宇-y4q]

It feels like you have just been created , then you’re instantly in the trash can

[@openinginawe5518]

Was also bug type too...Yikes

[@Alche_mist]

@@陳嘉宇-y4q As a poison type, you don't need to be in a trash can. You ARE a trash can or something along those lines more often than not (wink wink pollution trio (Weezing, Muk, Garbodor)).

[@Gojira_uz]

I love how much it got shafted because both of its stabs were *physical*

[@glob-zt5ci]

ive been wanting to see this for 2 years and damn, it didnt disappoint thank you

[@Hnui03]

I actually love Venomoth! I was a bit sad to see how bad it was in the first three gens, but that success story with Gen 4 getting the ball rolling is really heartwarming. When most Pokemon, especially ones from RBY, have a exponential downward slope in viability, seeing Venomoth jump back up from the brink of Ledian tier is so awesome!

[@idw2325]

Smogon council: We ban you from UU but we do not grant you a rank above NU. Venomoth: How can you do this? This is outrageous, it's unfair!!

[@IschmarVI]

to be fair, the only reason it was NU at that time was because it wasn't yet discovered that it is actually good in RU. Might also have something to do with meta shifts, dunno but well, thats how a developing meta sometimes does strange things

[@rejvaik00]

Venomoth was listening to "eye of the tiger" on repeat at the generations progressed slowly ever getting more and more stronger

[@RoninofCrimsonMaple]

I still love Venomoth to this day. Been playing NatdexUU and I have this absolute weapon sweeping if things go right. Slap it up with Buginium Z. Have your sleep powder, quiver dance then Bug buzz and giga drain. Youre all set. Doesnt work 100% of the time solely because of Sleep powders accuracy, but its fairly consistent. People dont really seem to remember tinted lens when they send in their fire or steel type that get absolutely demolished thanks to tinted lens. If they ARE a bulky mon like Mega Steelix or Mega Aggron, you have that buginium Z to one shot. The only thing to be afraid of at full health is choice banded aqua jet from crawdaunt/ choicebanded bullet punch from scizor or something waking up in the middle of quiver dancing to one shot with a physical attack. You live and die by the sleep and its possible to go substitute like FSG said, but giga drains just so nice with the overabundance of seismitoads/swamperts around. Sap Sipper users like Goodra can be seen here and there, but are generally uncommon and you should have a team mate to hopefully help with that.

[@wingedmirage4226]

I’ve always had a soft spot for Venimoth ever since I used it for my first Yellow playthrough. Glad to see it’s actually good now lol

[@brobroman9356]

The way you described Venomoth's rise was genuinely heartwarming.

[@Atla-zz1ce]

Venomoth is one of my favorite RBY pokemon, love the concept of the bug poison that uses psychic

[@joaonunes1086]

Actually, I think it'd be really cool if u do a How good was "Quiver Dance", showing the best Quiver dancers by every region, match-ups and what elses. Imo there such a hype on that :P

[@EdmacZ]

Venomoth: They danced at my misfortune... Venomoth: Now I dance on their graves.

[@Shadrake]

A Pokemon that actually got BETTER as the generations progressed!? This is incredible. I would not have expected this for Venemoth. Amazing video :)

[@Shadrake]

Oh hey past me. I still come back to watch this vid alot it's great

[@sanstheblaster2626]

Gen 6's power creep was so extreme that *Metagross* became UU (without its mega, obviously). And yet, Venomoth managed to hold on to its niche. Also, after a Quiver Dance, Venomoth would actually threaten Metagross, *despite being weak to it* In gen 7, Venomoth was faced with the hardest task for any special sweeper: handling Blissey. Something that not even Kyogre could do properly. *And it managed to succeed.* Do *not* underestimate this little moth.

[@gengarzilla1685]

And here's the best part: In BDSP, it's a legitimate thing in OU. This is what all the lasting buffs and general additions after Gen 4 managed to accomplish.

[@MarzaButTube]

For some reason you talking about venomoth the way you talk about much stronger pokemon legitimately makes me smile

[@edgelord8337]

Venomoth has an inspiring story From one being shunned by everyone to being a God among pokemon.

[@PineapplePineapplePineapplePin]

2:59 The image of Venomoth summoning sleep paralysis demons just showed up in my head and it's hilarious

[@spiderssssssssssss]

Venomoth, getting Quiver Dance: "I'm sorry, Master, but I have to go all out....just this once...."

[@terraSpark902]

I think its worth mentioning that Venomoth was actually something quite interesting and unique back in gen 1 Nintendo cup 1997! Poison types are significantly better in that format since Double team was allowed and Toxic was a common way of dealing with it, Poison types useing Double team couldn't be handled by that method! In addition Having Sleep power and stun Spore at 90 speed is actually a lot better then some of you might think, in Nintendo Cup level 50 Jynx was the best most common pokemon used, and it was usually a lead for its ability to pur something to sleep and then freeze something else with 30% Blizzards all the while taking those opportunities to set up Double team, Since Nintendo cup was bring 6 pick 3 those qualities made Jynx incredibly dangerous! However if you Run venomoth at level 53 it outspeeds Jynx and can put to sleep before Jynx can use Lovely Kiss! Then it can set up its own Double teams and paralyze something else on the switch. Nothing else that beats Jynx has a paralyzing move! (Besides body slam) and finally since Venomoth doesn't hit too hard it actually makes use of an attack that you wouldn't expect. Psywave! When used several times due to the free turns given by Double team and sleep powder in average it does some pretty alright damage output for a Venomoth! replay.pokemonshowdown.com/rby-gen1nintendocup97-1525 This is not my battle but it's a good example how someone useing Venomoth to moderate success!

[@dylanogg347]

Damn, that's good stuff mate.

[@terraSpark902]

@@dylanogg347 Thx 🙂

[@dylanogg347]

After all the videos detailing the saddening and heartbreaking declines of many Generation I Pokemon, it feels so damn good to see one that has actually managed to dig its way out of that hole to become great. And a Bug/Posion-Type at that.

[@jonjones8814]

I Honestly Thought Venomoth Was The Coolest Pokémon When I Was A Kid!! It Had A Great Sound And Everything

[@jonathancottrill9729]

I'm assuming the capitalization of every word implies this is going to be the most interesting biography ever written

[@jonjones8814]

Thanks For Your Assumption

[@yourdailysadisticfolkfromi6619]

Is Beedrill but better except when Beedrill mega evolves

[@jonjones8814]

Is Beedrill What????

[@ALDO_GOODENS]

Oh my gosh, this video is getting me teary-eyed… It’s truly inspiring to see a Pokémon with such a terrible start rise to these great heights!

[@Papersak]

Aaaa the little bug that could, indeed. I used to love it when I was little just because it looked pretty and learned psychic (I had no idea what I was doing). Now it's all grown up with quiver dance (and I still have no idea what I'm doing / play casually but your videos are super interesting). I love it!

[@howlingwolfart8380]

What's so strange is how Venomoth is so plain looking, but it's just so pleasing to look at. It's just a satisfying pokemon all around.

[@juliner4036]

To see that it now is better then some of the Pokemon that beat it in Gen 1, and how they ended up... Great Video btw!

[@sho3003]

A simple way to buff venomoth would be adding 10 to its speed and 10 to its special attack

[@ThorinKyuubi]

I'm so happy for my boy Venomoth, it's so cool when pokémon that started bad get better with the new generations. I've been asking for this video for ages, I love this moth so much. Thanks!

[@crisismoon880]

“Everyone likes a good comeback story.”

[@ImmaFarmerInMalaysia]

One of my favorite episodes for sure. I loved seeing what used to be one of the worst Pokemon in the game skyrocket to legitimate viability, and without even needing a Mega!

[@miguelangelmendez7767]

Glad to see my Venomoth made it this far. It's my favorite Bug type Pokemon of all time.

[@Weatherr]

Good to see some nice gen one Pokémon 2 vids in a row that slowly became viable without some crazy buff or mega

[@louayker4249]

Most heartwarming episode. It's nice to see this bug comes this far

[@notfabio9858]

This was such an uplifting episode

[@AmoniPaleo]

Take a shot for Every "Unfortnatly" False swipe has been saying in the videos! U will get drunk in seconds!

[@itriggerpeople4433]

More like suicide with extra steps

[@shadowtitanx3962]

Well. There’s a lot of Fully Evolved Mons in UU. So, chances are, yes

[@cobaltordinaire5219]

I'll take that challenge

[@AndrewRKenny]

Probably one of the best glow-ups in Pokémon. It gained so much utility and power all while playing to the mon's base stats and typing in a unique and interesting way.

[@berr21able]

Fun fact, the Venonat line hadn't appeared in a regional dex since Johto until gen 9. Glad to see it getting some love.

[@thecriticalghost4626]

What about the remakes

[@gengarzilla1685]

Still Johto.

[@AtChiaPet]

At least Venomoth got an indirect buff in Heavy Duty Boots

[@yourdailysadisticfolkfromi6619]

Lel nah

[@toxillian]

Exactly what i was thinking. Hopefully it comes back in dlc!

[@shirshanyaroy287]

How does a moth wear boots?

[@leonardofarias8843]

@@shirshanyaroy287 The same way Reuniclus would wear boots

[@Yhormungandr]

It's more of a nerf to lose Buginium Z.

[@Xepscern]

NO TERRAIN IS TOO TOUGH FOR ALL TERRAIN VENOMOTH

[@fool8304]

For some reason Venonat was my favorite childhood Pokemon, I'm stoked that this video actually got made, I'm seeing this under dog story of venomoth is enough to make a grown man cry

[@jacobruby2237]

I knew it got Quiver Dance, but I didn't think it was this good. Wow, this is a nice story for a pretty cool bug.

[@mrbubl33s]

Today is my birthday :) and I love Venomoth. Thnx

[@argentum1738]

Banned from a tier you weren't even in. That's an accomplishment no matter how you look at it.

[@ethanhassler2624]

In generation 13, there will need to be a tier above AG just for venomoth

[@yandeldraven5766]

Who’s here after Mystic put venomoth on #6 on his top 10 worst bug types ✋

[@Swedishmarvelking]

That's a pleasant surprise. The changes and additions to the games were actually good for one of my gen 1 favourites. Nice.

[@snapclub8751]

Chuggaacconroy: Even though it clearly flies, it can still be hit by ground types.

[@Nosretep]

Nihilego and Eternatus. :/

[@polypolar715]

Peterson Byrd and Naganadel

[@shadowtitanx3962]

Volcarona too. Even Magnezone and Chandelure for pete’s sake

[@yourdailysadisticfolkfromi6619]

Lel, eternatus sucks

[@jaschabull2365]

Marowak after attempting several times to fling a bone through the air at an airborne target, but somehow always missing: Hey, I got one!!

[@undercoverfbi3155]

I love mons with a story of becoming better and better with each generation

[@whiteluna9008]

Venomoth: I went from zero to hero Clefable: Hold my Moonstone

[@T.M.S.O.]

I think Clefable was more like average joe to hero.

[@FelrinKirla]

HOLY - MY COMMENT WAS THE HIGHLIGHT?! THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED TO ME BEFORE THANK YOU

[@jaschabull2365]

"Here it comes, the big U." That genuinely made me laugh. Gotta love how well this guy knows what he's known for. Also, wow, hard to believe this little insect no one ever thought of at first could shrug off power creep for 3 generations straight. This is the badass bug story we entomology nuts wanted to hear.