How Have I Waited So Long To Play This? - Dark Forces 2: Retrospective

[@timothyj96]

I’m the guy who runs this game on a 4090. By far my favorite Star Wars game.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

Man i thought i was overkill playing it with a 3080 haha

[@timothyj96]

@@BBQBARNES-GAMING hopefully the unreal engine remake comes out in the near future so we can max out our GPUs on this great game!

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

@@timothyj96 Hell yeah man

[@starlighter93]

On my first playthrough I actually got the dark side ending unintentionally. I didn't really understand English back then and I was so confused because I played Jedi Outcast first and I knew Jedi Knight is a prequel to it. I was devastated when Kyle killed Jan. I knew I did something wrong but I had no idea what. But at the end where he was sitting on his throne and pulled out the holorecording of his father I was like: I knew it! There's still good in him! And then he crushed the projector with his foot and I lost all hope. :D

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

That is hilarious!

[@starlighter93]

44:58 I thought Yun's acting was okay. The character himself felt way more important than he actually was, he was the weakest of all the dark Jedi. He was just acting all tough and evil to overcompensate for his insecurities. Like when the biggest bully in school turns out to be the most vulnerable and traumatised person.

[@sodadrinker89]

Christopher Neame who plays Jerec is just a large ham of an actor.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

Haha yes he is and I love it

[@XxDruidmancerxX]

Idk if anyone commented this, but the E-11uses TWO ammo in each shot, that's why in the beginning of the game you run out of ammo quickly (when you don't have other options). To counter it, that's what the Pistol is for (one shot, one piece of ammo), besides the fact that it is more accurate, so it's good for "sniping".

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

ahh well that makes more sense.

[@XxDruidmancerxX]

@@BBQBARNES-GAMING oh! And one more thing: the "cilindrical" thingies next to wooden boxes (or those white ones) almost always have supply in them, just shoot them! That's how we survive on Hard hahaha

[@MR-zk3fy]

You've got a sub. I've watched a few vids now and enjoy your presentation style, also I think I got manipulated because hearing the kotor music constantly in the background of your vids is a cheat code. Such good music.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

haha KOTOR has the best videogame Star Wars OST. Works for almost any scene

[@a3Djaguar]

The Entertainment is strong with your channel, my young KZbin creator. GACK!

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

haha Thanks!

[@CountStarkey]

Thanks for a stroll down memory lane of my childhood

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

Thanks for watching!

[@WeaponsRemorse]

a new co worker is named Morgan and the MORGAN KATARN is now on loop in my head i showed it to him and was like i can finally use this on some one and he spat it drink out laughing

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

That's awesome! his actor is just so over the top I love it!

[@WeaponsRemorse]

@@BBQBARNES-GAMING I wonder what he’s doing now honestly, probably living his best life. Someone should try to get an interview with him or something that would be extremely interesting.

[@TolgendavReetur]

tnx for this video and the other old star wars games . I love watching some good old nostalgia

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

Thanks for watching! I love playing through 90s and early 2000s games!

[@passingrando6457]

58:39 Not only a Sith experiment. A Sith experiment carried out by Lord Cronal, a central character from the West End tabletop RPG game. He's also Sariss' dad, and the one who first set Jerec on the path to finding the Valley of the Jedi. Oh, and these experiments, Sarris' birth and raising, and Jerec's meeting with Cronal all happened at different times, but at the same place; the dark force temple on Dromund Kaas from Mysteries of the Sith.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

Oh yeah that background goes deep with some of the characters. didn't go too deep so I could bring some of it up in my MOS video but its really cool how a lot of it is all connected

[@passingrando6457]

@@BBQBARNES-GAMING yeah. I'm going to be moving on to the MotS video after this one, so I didn't know that. Would have been nice if they explained how important the dark force temple was to Kyle's previous adventure at some point, but MotS doesn't do that, as far as I'm aware. That game was written by hardcore EU divers, and they basically expected players to be as deep in the lore as they were.

[@dennissinned6299]

The demo was the Refueling Station level. Kyle needed to board a ship. There is an arch with a barely noticeable bluish glow. It heals you as long as you remain there, come back often for free heals. For all i know though, it's only on this level.

[@simongravel7407]

What? I didn't know about a healing arch.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

That's awesome i need to try that next time!

[@txcrix9236]

I could ramble on forever about my love for this game. We had true 3-d objects and npc's, a great variety of levels and most important of all we had a lightsaber! In addition to the massive and wide open levels Falling ship was an amazing thing for it's time. They made a ship level then tilted it 45 degrees and hot damn we have level 15 Falling Ship. The 90's were a great time for gaming. So much innovation as technology moved on from the dos era. (You missed Max on Fuel Station omg)

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

Dude that falling ship was crazy advanced for the time. Blew me away playing it even now. Plus can we talk about how star wars games still don't have as in-depth force power system as this game did. I mean really just so ahead its time its crazy. Also damn didn't realize one was there lol

[@BlatentlyFakeName]

What I love about this game is it's clearly based on the original trilory as that was the only reference they had back in 1997. Jedi Knight 2 was different as it's was based on the prequel movies (around the time of Episode 2). The combat and pace between the two games is very different.

[@DIEGhostfish]

Funnily enough the Falling Ship is cut completely from the novela. The Sulon Star is blown up while still at the Sulon fueling station.

[@dennissinned6299]

This is one game that needs to be remastered. They are redoing Dark Forces, this one should be next.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

It would be awesome to see!

[@passingrando6457]

28:44 My best guess is that's a (very) large lead acid electrical system. It would explain the electrical current, it would be useful on a giant space farm, and lore states that power sources were in need on Sulon before the installation of the G-Tap geothermal system. As to why it's _open to the sky_ and doesn't have a catwalk or something going over it... Maybe it was damaged by the Grave Tuskens or the Imps when they ransacked the place.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

Though I'm pretty sure the designers thought it just looked cool i like this explanation

[@passingrando6457]

@@BBQBARNES-GAMING oh yeah. No, with games it's totally okay to create cool thing and then find a good explanation for it later.

[@DIEGhostfish]

The G-Tap is from the Novela where Morgan is running a subsistence level farm which needs to get its water from a taproot tree. Not the guy with the mansion who seems to be in charge of a significant portion of the massive aqueduct and dam system we see in the game. Given he'd for a while been pretending to be an imperial collaborator doing double agent stuff I like to imagine he was actually pretty well off.

[@NitroBoarder17]

great videos man!

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

Thanks man I really appreciate it!

[@fr3lance91]

Ah I recall the joys of fighting Pic as a wee lad. Ended up unloading concussion rifle and rockets into him as I didn't have force sight.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

hey what ever gets the job done lol

[@DIEGhostfish]

He's stupidly resistant to that, but at least he doesn't bounce them all back. I hated that in Outcast espescially on the concussion blasts.

[@dennissinned6299]

There's more of Nar Shadaa in the next game, Jedi Outcast. If you haven't played it yet, you'll love it.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

Just recently posted a video on it! I started with Outcast as a kid so i already love that game to death and man does it still hold up

[@danieljamesglass6953]

Kyle Katarn should be canon! Great game and great video =)

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

Thanks! and yes they should have kept Kyle canon. Could probably make for a good show if they stuck with the books

[@passingrando6457]

Alright, so my last couple comments were odd tidbits where I felt the need to pipe up about something or another, this is actually about the review and you as a reviewer. In short, you've sold me. I'm subbed now, remember me when you make it big, lol. I actually did a double take when I noted your sub count was under 3K. Quality isn't equivalent to popularity, but with your production quality, I don't get it. Everything from the way you divide up your review, to the way you notate themes and design choices, your jokes are good, but not so frequent they detract from the review. All in all, good stuff!

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

Thanks man I really appreciate it! I've been trying to figure out what kind of videos I wanted to make exactly but really enjoyed making these longer videos. Plus sticking to one series like this has been a really cool way to see the advancements made in gaming. Was originally delaying doing a KOTOR video because I wanted to get better at this before taking on one of my all time favorites but I think now that I finished the Jedi knight series I'm ready to attempt it, though it will take a long time to make haha

[@DIEGhostfish]

52:45 At least the concussion rifle actually has a projectile that needs to hit near you now.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

I think i misspoke and said it was still a hit scan in the video but yeah having it be a projectile was a good decision

[@thereallucasmccoy]

it's one of my top 5 favorite games of all time.

[@73rmin8r]

The only explanation for the huge installation already being there is that maybe there was already a mining facility or something there.

[@UlawCorth]

I played this when I was young and replayed it not that long ago with upgraded texture and stuff. I never ran into ammo shortage though, that is a discovery :D

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

Well I've played through a couple times since I made the video and I think that was mostly because I was pretty bad at the game lol

[@tehshadowy]

As a kid I actually thought Jerec was played by Jack Nicholson mainly because of the face expressions he makes :D and I still think Jerec has those vibes.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

hahaha i could totally see that. He has a similar vibe Jack did when playing the Joker. I could really see it in that first cut scene especially

[@Irho_Oskea]

Nar Shaddaa was, and always will be, my favorite level😆🤣

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

haha I guess I have different taste

[@javiergarcia563]

I love the Nar Shaddaa levels with passion, specially the first one. It feels like it belongs to the SW universe. In fact, two years later we got to see something similar on TPM named Coruscant, which is pretty much the same except Coruscant looks clean and sophisticated while Nar Shaddaa is a decadent craphole, just like everything looked decadent in the OT. And there's also the abyss: all those bottomless pits made Nar Shaddaa levels (and some others too, even if not as much) feel absolutely inmense, like made in a massive scale. I played it as a kid in 1997 and it was very inmersive and special. Best game ever.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

I could totally see for the time it being really impressive especially during the platforming puzzles. The full game itself was pretty amazing

[@poleon2003]

Well Coruscant was first named in Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire novel the first book of the Thrawn trilogy in 1991 so it was Lucas who actually took that name from the book

[@GorcStew]

Most people say that they knew how to kick off a game strong. The first two levels are a demonstration of what is to come with their massive open and intimidating spaces...at least you appreciated the rest of the game lol

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

I can see why other would think that but the overall aesthetic and enemy choice just felt really under whelming to me coming off the first game. But then again i didn't play it right when it came out so that probably seemed amazing compared to the first game...and yes overall the game is still Amazing! lol

[@DIEGhostfish]

1:19:27 Most of that is probably Prefabricated like Prefabricated Garrison Bases. The _Vengeance_ is a BIG ship as you said so yourself.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

That is true

[@zummone]

I mean, I'm not one to disagree when it comes to DF1 being visually more compelling than JK1, but you certainly didn't do the game any favors by playing it in software mode rather than with the direct3d renderer. I realize that's what might have caused the repeating crashes while you were playing it originally, but surely there must be some sort of launcher/patch, right? Perhaps in the future it wouldn't hurt having a Virtual Machine ready.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

You hit the nail on the head about directx12 causing crashes for me. But thats also why i tried not to harp on it to much throughout the video. My bigger issue with it overall is the artistic direction it chose. Just very bland looking

[@FriedMetroid]

I've beaten this game many times and again just recently. Probably the best level design of any game in this genre. The expansion, Mysteries of the Sith is pretty good, too (though that one starts to bring in the aggravating cryptic factor that became more prominent in Jedi Outcast)

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

MOS was pretty aggravating at parts but really enjoyed the ending. Plus that whole city level was a really cool idea

[@Thatguy55595]

I wish we got a boss fight with 8T88!!

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

If he is anything like IG88 we'd be screwed lol

[@korbinhranac5550]

Correction to your purple lightsaber comment: this game came out in 1995, the book where jaina made her purple lightsaber came out a year later in 1996! However, thinking back to other jedi with purple lightsabers, i think the first one described was in the book Dark Apprentice in 1994, where the spirit of Exar Kun instructs Luke's student Gantoris how to build a lightsaber to kill Luke, in that particular book the blade of that lightsaber is described as purple with a rainbow shimmer along the edges but the rainbow aspect is dropped later, just being described as purple. Other than that, maybe Kam Solusar's lightsaber is either purple or green but the lightsaber colors in Dark Empire comics were super inconsistent.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

The Dark Empire comics where great but yeah not really consistent lol

[@aaronhemme8913]

I remember pointing this out and saying get this for dad as a kid. I remember watching him play and getting interested in the story. Then even got to play (With godmode) And to me this is the sequel along with the Jedi games that come after are the true sequels to episode 6.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

Thats awesome man. I had a similar experience watching my dad play Half-Life and siting in his lap using the mouse while he moved. Great memories! Plus episodes 7-9 should have followed Klye Katarns story. Would have been amazing

[@aaronhemme8913]

@BBQBARNES-GAMING THANK YOU!!!!! I was thinking "Where is Katarn in this film???"

[@Art_Vandalay97]

Pro tip: if you own a steam deck, this game works on it. All you have to do is map the controls to make sense.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

That's a great idea ......now I need a steam deck lol

[@v8matey]

Have you tried the UE5 JK2 fan made project? First 3 levels are done. Highly recommended it.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

Not yet. I've seen some footage and it looks good so will have to sometime soon

[@Wylyth-nr3hq]

I hope they make a remaster of Dark Forces II and Mysteries Of The Sith, so not only can PC players play it on modern hardware, but console players can play it as well.

[@Endgame_01]

The floating guy isn't named Mawl. It's Maw

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

I know but sounds very similar plus similar character story

[@Endgame_01]

Fair enough

[@DIEGhostfish]

1:29:31 The darkside is a pathway to many abilities some would consider... Unnatural. Like piloting school!

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

haha nice!

[@neterwan]

Back in 1990s I wasn't that surprised to see Tuskens on Sulon, however when I played KOTOR and talked to Tusken storykeeper on Tatooine, I noticed the phrase, that some of their kind were taken off world by the alien invaders (obviously Rakata), and those were the worst subjects of their kin. And I assumed, that the Sulon Grave Tuskens were the descendants of the once enslaved Sand People transported off Tatooine. But this was just an assumption and it had nothing to do with the real EU lore.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

Man i never even thought of that. Good head cannon idea

[@njalsand133]

Certainly better story than the Disney trilogy

[@aaron756]

Probably any of the other stories are. Disney ruined Star Wars. Absolutely wrecked it.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

What isn't at this point unfortunately

[@Wilhuf1]

Needs a remaster!

[@jamesmurphy8968]

Dark forces 2 is the goat

[@Thatguy55595]

This game is damn near impossible on hard…

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

Yeah you got that right!

[@anubisfox5765]

Considering ugnauts are canonically empirial slaves basically, that makes killing them with no moral hit even more messed up 😂 90s games were just built different

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

hahaha Man that makes it even darker

[@TheZurtu]

In defense of the graphics: they look more dated because of modern resolutions, in 360-480p the stretched textures are seemless

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

that is a good point plus they were made for older monitors which have a different look to them. kind of like how SNES games look worse on modern TVs not better

[@aaron756]

The things that make this game easier when it comes to ammo and health and shields in the beginning are the secrets. If you find them all and then aim properly Then you’ll be better off.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

Replayed some for extra flashback footage for my Mysteries of the Sith video I'm working on and you're definitely right

[@ChrisJones-cc1ti]

The none copy-write music got me laughing.

[@DIEGhostfish]

Dark Forces 1 Nar Shadaa is great, but DF2 is a lot worse other than a couple interesting cameos of X-Wing alliance ships.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

Yeah really felt kind of bland to me. Outcast version aesthetically is pretty great though

[@jordonatkinson824]

His dad looks like the dude with the camper van in the walking dead series, Isit the same actor?

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

They do look similar but no

[@diddymelone2265]

hell yeah its weird that Kyle would murder Jan for no reason, if he has enough dark side juice in him. I think it would've worked better if Jerrec was throwing down Yun instead and telling Kyle to kill him because he is weak and lost to Kyle before. then it would make more sense ´that Yun does save Kyle later on, since Kyle spared him twice. and if Kyle is on the dark path, well he would just kill Yun, because he agrees with Jerrec that he's weak and needs to go, but would reject Jerrec anyway.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

YOOO that is 100% what should have happened. That fills in the gap of why you fight Yun on the dark side path and works really well into the mindset of the sith. don't know how I didn't think of that when making the video lol

[@hyperboreen4854]

I completed this game at the time. I love Star Wars (RIP 1977-2012), but objectively Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II is just a bad game, the level design alone is a total disaster. The stories of DOOM or QUAKE II are not archaic dude, it's just a completely different kind of narration. It's the environments that tell the story, and it is a much more subtle and difficult art (and a better use of the medium) than just stacking dialogues and cutscenes at the end of each level.

[@andrewmah2962]

This game is 27 years old

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

"Oh thats not that old at all" I say as a 31 year old lol

[@djayace1827]

Jesus… You are right about the graphics… Looks somehow worse than Ocarina of Time! To be fair, that came out in 98… But DAMN. Space World Beta Ocarina of Time even looked better…. 😂😂😂

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

Unfortunately a necessary stepping stone for technology that got blown out of the water in a short time with UNREAL and Half-Life.

[@djayace1827]

@@BBQBARNES-GAMING Indeed. Without the steppingstones, we would not have made progress and the graphics would have remained the same as here. We would not have had Qu Rahn’s beautiful hilt, either.

[@jedigamer9935]

I used invulnerability cheat codes.

[@zapbloodfist]

"FPS had no story before Half-Life"? So you never played GoldenEye for the '64?

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

I believe i said before Half Life it was more of a novelty which is definitely true. Plus Golden Eye is fun but no one talks about its story but instead its level design, music, and split screen. I never cared for it too much when it was out because I was already playing shooters on PC so Hated its terrible controls but not bad for a console game for that time period

[@njalsand133]

I swear I punched sith to death

[@MihajloLjubenovic90]

just bactame and red5

[@classicalmusic1337]

I enjoyed the video, but you're pretty bad at the game. For example, the lightsaber's alt-attack (right click) is unblockable and much better against bosses than the standard attack.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

REALLY!? man that would have made things so much easier hahaha

[@simongravel7407]

Ha ha! Your game still isn't set properly. The 3D acceleration is not working.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

haha i know it kept crashing when ever Nvidea Recording was on. To be honest i didn't think the change was worth the pain in the but it was causing

[@MoonKid_90]

I'd just like to give you some insight from a viewer who consumes longformat yt videos as you would with podcasts... I really like this video but in the span of 30 minutes, I've viewed (listened to) for about ten minutes.. the rest has been spent on 4-6 ads, each of which has the runtime of around 15 minutes. I've been skipping when I've had the chance since I'm polishing my car as I'm listening. Just wanna give you info on how royally fucked ur getting by KZbin.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

Thanks for the heads up. Only recently monetized so currently KZbin has the Automated Placement for ads on. I'll look into the other placement options to see if that works better.

[@bobjordan69]

Just play the game with the extensive selection of cheats. Way more fun

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

I went back and played through with the All powers cheat and that was pretty ridicules lol plus that upside down mode is pretty crazy too

[@JohnDoe-ip3oq]

This is an old game, one of the first 3d fps, has more to it than half life, and gotta complain about personal skill issues. Well good to know not to take the review serious, because I played this as a kid and didn't have any complaints, and I would be better at it now. Next video will be about beating the cuphead tutorial, and how hard it is. Don't try mots that's for sure. Sarcasm aside, this is one of the greats. The comment about the force is a joke, because you clearly level up over the game, it's not instant.

[@ZappasMudshark]

Lmao Jesus calm down man it’s okay to criticize things

[@JohnDoe-ip3oq]

@@ZappasMudshark Exactly, which is what I was doing, and there's good reason for it. There's a few issues other people pointed out as well, which I don't want to point by point break down, but anyone who's played the game knows it's good, and personal issues aren't the games fault. Bad take is bad take, don't have to like it being called out. That's the point, realizing a mistake isn't fun, but you can learn from it. Could have done better research from the start, and this was the result, doubling down on it though looks worse. Generally speaking, not addressing the issue at all will just showcase this isn't a channel to follow for good takes.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

Man that Cuphead comment was a low blow! HAHAHA In all seriousness I guess I didn't articulate my point well enough in the video but 1. When it comes to its difficulty i didn't mean it as a bad thing that it was reasonably hard especially on a first playthrough. in fact i do find that kind of refreshing compared to how much new games baby you. I would say that my brief attempt on hard mode was way harder than something more modern like Halo 2 Legendary or any game i regularly play so felt it might be worth mentioning. 2. My comment about the force isn't that it bothered me. I put a lot of points into speed and jump (more than i should have) so getting around was easy. Simply that if you are an idiot and don't invest the points wisely it can be easy to feel stuck at some parts though they always do have some way around regardless (like the top of the palace level) Also i did upgrade it as he game went and towards the end I though i implied that most the troubles I had where simply do to my poor optimization of those powers but I guess i could have explained that better early on too. PS. I actually just did a Mysteries of the Sith video and besides those damn Vornskrs and that Swamp level i found it much easier than DF 2 though spoiler I wasn't as much of a fan of the fractured storyline and the vent hunting that some of the levels had. The Rancor fight was a blast and that twist at the end fight is freaking crazy! Awesome first playthrough experience there

[@danielhathaway8817]

Yeah, but your reaction was much more of an OVERreaction than the review was, mate. And I too have been playing this since launch day. Did the same with DF too. He'll, I remember a preview for Dark Forces in PC Gamer getting me HELLA psyched. I was 9 or 10 at the time.

[@JohnDoe-ip3oq]

@@danielhathaway8817 Not really, there's an epidemic of people who hate old games and make videos trashing classics. The bad takes used to be ignorable, but today are being mass produced and pissing off fans. Df2 was one of the best games in the series, and this review didn't give it a serious shot, which is obvious to the people who played it. I doubt it will get revised, and frankly had no business being reviewed without proper respect and research. If you can't be bothered to play it right, it shouldn't have been reviewed, but it's also likely that it was poorly reviewed on purpose, which could be why there are glaring holes in it. Maybe it's legit, but it suffers from the warning signs of bad faith. Old games are old, but that also means they have history and you should do research before rushing out a bad take. Highly likely there's an explanation to any issue that's been known for years. There's also graphics mods for the game. Why wasn't any effort put into running it with a mod? That right there is a red flag. Very sus, low effort+bad take.

[@rudolphantler6309]

I love modern graphics but I never would have called DFIIJK ugly! Are you insane?!? Nar Shaddaa is best in THIS game!!!! Perhaps if you looked further than in front of your nose Nar Shaddaa wouldn't be "bland looking". Enemies do not appear out of nowhere. You have failed to notice where they appear from! If you play the game properly, you will never have ammo problems even on hard. The twi'lek has bodily birth defect. It is pretty obvious. Tuskens: The lore didn't change. You literally explained the extra lore that doesn't change the base lore. So why say the lore changed? Only Yun's fast dueling powers are lightside. His FMV powers are darkside, a non-expanded weaker and slower Drain/Destruction, and a neutral, Levitation. You clearly have no idea what hitscan means. The red rooms beyond the elevators on level 12 do hurt you, just slowly. "How is this large an operation already down here?" Well considering probably multiple expedition ships not seen, an Empire could probably lay down entire bases. As they do in strategy games. Otherwise there were supposed to be more levels before Ruusan but were not made. It is NOT KRAYT dragon. It's KRELL dragon! You can't have offensive powers when doing a good playthrough! Ah nevermind. At least you liked the game.

[@BBQBARNES-GAMING]

1. I find early 3d graphics kinda ugly and Bland. Late 90s were pretty good Like Unreal and Half Life but around this time it just seems blotchy. It was a necessary growing pain to get us where we are now though. 2. Nar shadaa feels boing everytime I'm there in any game Jedi Outcast version is probably the worse gameplay wise though 3. Some enemy's spawn appropriately but sections of Nar Shadaa i literally saw them spawn in in areas i already cleared. Some spawns like dropping down through the vents could be funny at times 4. Yeah id believe that. Its been a wile since I've played through some old shooters so i was definitely not on my A game 5. yeah i get hes messed up was just a off handed comment about him being a lunatic 6. I met Disney has changed their Lore now so old lore has now been changed. 7. ahh well thats cool 8. The concussion rifle is a hitscan in DF 1 but your right DF 2 its a fast moving bolt instead which is better. I should have re recorded that part. 9. Really thats interesting didnt even relize that, Still a strange idea for the level though 10. Still seems pretty quick to build all that down there 11. didn't realize i said Krayt but damn looks like i did lol thanks for the correction 12. I later played a dark side playthrough and the Dark powers were pretty fun. And yeah it actually really surprised me. At first i thought it was so so but as the game went on i was loving it! So much fun

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11. Somethimes spelled as KRELL sometimes KELL. Interestingly enough, there is an old story that goes something like this copypasted from wookieepedia: Kell dragons were created as enemies for the 1995 PC game Star Wars: Dark Forces. PC Gamer magazine stated that these dragons were intended to be krayt dragons, which would have marked the krayt's first appearance. But since krayt dragons were officially stated to be much larger, for canon and gameplay reasons the Dark Forces creatures were renamed "kell" and deemed related to krayts. Some kinds of krayts were quite similar to kell dragons. Krayt dragons were intended to appear first in Star Wars: Dark Forces but they were renamed kell dragons and became a different (but related) species altogether. But really when Ralph McQuarrie first drew SW stuff, there was some dragon that was meant to be one but ended up as the other, don't quite remember the full story.