How high is too high? The BEST bar height, tested!

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@duncancampbell3673 Ай бұрын

I'm 6'5" and have just started running 70mm rise bars. After decades of riding bikes with much lower front ends, it feels like I've suddenly found perfection and I definitely won't be going back to low rise bars. The only negative I could find was steep climbing but descending was a revelation. Fwiw I'm also running quite a few stem spacers and 50mm DMR Defy stem.

@bencika Ай бұрын

I'm 202cm, riding the transition spire XXL, running the same stem, the bars are spank 75mm the bike is much more playfull on the descend, easier manuals and bunnies, but found it a bit unstable when have a hard landing (exp overshooting or a bit sketchy landing)

@letsgoletsgoletsgoletsgoletsgo Ай бұрын

i'm 5' 10" and im running 85mm deity bars .... i love it i feel i can manouver the bike a lot better under me

@flowstateofmind Ай бұрын

Same here, starting to put 70mm rise bars on all my bikes 😂

@rg1025 Ай бұрын

Dirt. Bikes (motorcycles) and BMX bikes have been right all these years

@jokermtb Ай бұрын

I run a 60mm spank bar. Love it for general trail riding for all the reasons you mentioned. However, during a recent enduro race, when I had to hammer out of the saddle for the inevitable sprint section, the downside to a high bar made itself obvious - I could not get my body shifted forwards and low enough to really lay down the power for a put of saddle sprint. It was perhaps the only instance where this setup falls down (Dak Norton mentioned a similar observation in an interview too). I never sprint during trail rides, so this went unnoticed til then. I think I’d definitely run a lower bar for enduro races as sprinting in not my forte and I need every bit of advantage

@jonthesailorman 22 күн бұрын

Interesting video. Really difficult subject to get a grasp on without considering other aspects of terrain choice, bike setup, and other geometry figures. What about the chain stay length / stack height correlation? Ape index is a good look at how the front of the bike interacts with different body types, but what about different rider heights vs inseam length? Would be a cool to do a video series to test out each aspect of bike geo and it's effect on bike fit/weight distribution. Would need a hyper adjustable bike for that, something like a Geometron or stumpy Evo.

@jonthesailorman 21 күн бұрын

Side note, did you guys see the new Cascade Link for the Heckler SL?! More travel, more progression!

@addtext Ай бұрын

I am 6 ft 2 inches tall and went from a 30 ml riser bar to a 50 ml riser bar and I'm now at a 76 ml riser bar and I love it. I feel much more in control and it is definitely easier on my back. I will not be going back and I'm trying to recommend my friends try it but they all think I'm cuckoo.

@22Jeffers Ай бұрын

Didn’t know they got measured in millilitres. 😜

@davidpuschel8268 27 күн бұрын

Some core training might help with backpain auswell. 50mm bars really lack in front grip and you feel like a T-rex

@petecarvell8593 Ай бұрын

I’m 6ft 3. Having just spent the past couple of weeks trying to demystify why I’m craving a higher bar on my new full 29 rig this video was a great watch! I think perhaps the geometry of a lot of new enduro rigs means our weight distribution relies more heavily on weight through the feet, even when cornering and as such a higher more comfortable cockpit, without the need to be worrying quite as much about pressing weight through your front wheel, makes everything else feel much more schwweeet. 🤔 The jury is still out! Great video 👏

@BRINKUK Ай бұрын

Cheers dude!

@megatryn Ай бұрын

15:40 Ape index correlates to: Long wingspan compared to body length needs lower bars than short arms compared to body length. I have a high Ape index (long wingspan compared to body length), so I prefer a low stack and low rise bars. I run 15mm rise bars and a 5mm spacer under the stem. I've tried higher, but thet doesn`t work for me. Someone like Dakota Norton has a low Ape index and has, as he puts it, alligator arms, thus needs higher rise bars to get to a good position. I tried bouncing around on his bike, and being of similar height as him, I was standing way higher than him on his bike. Standing on my bike however, I stand about similarly to him.

@BRINKUK 27 күн бұрын

Its interesting that theres no real right answer and its just you will make different shapes on the bike with both setups depending on your body shape. Surely at some point there is a "correct" though?!

@megatryn 27 күн бұрын

@@BRINKUK I think there is the possibility to have a "correct" bodyposition and geometry in places like road racing, where the riding positions and effectiveness on the bike is much more static. In things like mountainbiking and especially in the extremes end of the scale like downhill and enduro, where the rider moves so much around on the bike and the riding style and weight placement on the bike has so much to say, there will never be an universally "correct" riding position. Two persons who are very similar in size and build can have totally different riding styles and be equally quick, you see this very well in the World Cup downhill races where the margins are tiny, but the riding styles are vastly different. The experiment is fun though and to have an open mind and try lot's of different things to find what suits oneself the best is underrated. Not to just go and blindly follow the latest trends.

@schenker1993 Ай бұрын

Everything about the purple bike setup makes you stand up more on the bike. Like how jackson goldstone rides. You always have the option to put more weight over the front if you need it.

@Goodthings81 Ай бұрын

This makes me rethink EVERYTHING

@BRINKUK Ай бұрын

maybe just start with handlebars...

@_burd Ай бұрын

Every body will /need/ different dimensions from a given bike. So splitting hairs between 40 and 50mm is silly. But fundamentally, all things normalised, if you're front is higher you will feel more 'behind' your bike even in steeps.. whereas the low bars will have you feeling still 'ontop' of your bike even in steep climbs. With higher front end you also get more leverage over the bike when it comes to manuals/bunnyhops etc SO with those things in mind, can you get the best of both with.. god forbid... drop bars?! Where you have a high set for descents and a low set for climbs xD

@rebootbfm Ай бұрын

What an interesting video ! I am on the other extreme: zero spacers, 30mm stem with zero rise and 15mm rise bars... Keep on riding !

@AS82MTB Ай бұрын

I have an XL bullit, and am 6'2 long in the torso. I put 80mm deity highrise bars on, and increased my fork air-spring from 170 to 180mm. I would go higher, by 10-20mm if I could but there isn't an easy way to do that

@vilimiryordanov8502 Ай бұрын

Higher bar set up makes all the difference! you need to check out the Rulezman V3 stem. Also check his video on stem lengths. If you don't want to fork out $300-400 on a stem that may not work for you, you can test with a cheaper version such as Aerozine XNC 10. $64 (USD) but shipping is another $60. Last week Intend released their new forks as well as a new stem GRACE DD - 25mm stem length where the bar is mounted above the steerer similar to Rulezman and Aerozine. Also worth checking it out. It all looks counterintuitive, especially if you are coming from a long-ish 50mm stem. But trust me, it is ok! It feels really good!

@MostBallinestPlaya Ай бұрын

You could get 10mm from a stem. Check out the Funn Equalizer.

@AS82MTB Ай бұрын

@@MostBallinestPlaya Nice, I think I'll get one.

@grantnewby3756 23 күн бұрын

I'm with you higher the better, just like the ride position on moto cross bike.

@rollingpanda9590 Ай бұрын

Arm length doesn't enter the discussion often enough.

@jimbo4203 27 күн бұрын

Right I'm 6 foot 3 and have long arms ,I don't like high bars and I don't need them because I'm tall and have long arms😊

@shaneweldon Ай бұрын

I had 15mm rise bars on my last bike and always felt hunched over the front so when I was building up my new bike I put 38mm rise bars on it and I much prefer them!

@Jake-rb2hd Ай бұрын

6'3" and run a 115cm bar height from the ground on all 3x of my bikes with 18mm stem. Central upright position is key for comfort and weight balance.

@robertokker8010 Ай бұрын

I'm 2 meter tall, and even for me I run 780mm bars. I used to run810mm bar width. But just a bit less wide is making me move the bike more underneath me and feel way more in control. So I think the bar with is almost a bigger difference than the height. Just try to shorter then even by 20mm is a massive difference

@crottemole Ай бұрын

Im 5'9" and i run 90mm rise bars (and around 40mm spacers) on my 23' trance x 27.5. To me it just feels natural, much more alike to moto. I dont really feel any drawbacks, even on super steep climbs.

@mikej1348 Ай бұрын

I’m 5’9 medium with a low stack 619mm. I run a 10 degree Funn stem 50mm length and 60mm spank bars and 35mm spacers. It’s a looks goofy but it doesn’t strain my lower back and shoulders👍

@MTB_FANATIC99 Ай бұрын

I'm 5ft 9in and I'm leaving my stem where it is but can't decide between 35mm or 50mm rise bars?? Funn bars is what I'm going to order that's their choices, what you think?? I'm going for a moto feel but don't want it to look too goofy either like looks of both size rise bars thanks

@mikej1348 Ай бұрын

@@MTB_FANATIC99 It depends on your needs. If you are over 50 like me 50mm or 60mm helps a lot. Also factor in your stack height. Mine is low at 619mm. Also consider if you ride downhill it will give you more confidence having a higher positioning on the bike. Also make sure you have an aggressive front tire so you don’t have to put so much weight on the front and it won’t wash out on XC type tire.

@uldi1s Ай бұрын

I'm 6'2" and run my bars as low as possible with no spacers beneath the stem. Tried running higher bars but it just feels wrong and causes me a lot of triceps pain. But I do have extremely long arms and legs. My take is that people with short arms benefit more from higher bars

@22Jeffers Ай бұрын

If the taller guy has longer arms, his centre of gravity in his torso is pushed further up and back. The shorter guy is possibly replicating the same body position with higher bars.

@nfive5 Ай бұрын

I got a Heckler SL running 28mm Spacer 40mm stem stack 50mm deity bars currently sits at 113cm putting 170mm zebs on next week so should have a 643 stack height previous bike had 60mm rise bars. Big bars for FTW

@diamondsink2000 29 күн бұрын

I felt the opposite the high bar doesnt allow me to get over the front of the bike

@glennbroad2543 Ай бұрын

What about dirt jumping with different bar heights like the 6 pack at chicksands?

@chrisandrews5881 Ай бұрын

5’8” running 50mm bars & 60mm bars on the DJ, so much easier to pull up for a bunny hop or manual that’s reason alone to go higher

@dho Ай бұрын

pretty used to a low setup, have low rise and slammed stem on a modern bikes (rise and spur). I feel like especially with long travel forks I feel like things are more vague with a high rise and stack. I think a lot of it is just that I have a lot of miles and recent miles on a low stack setup. I just feel more aggressive all around with the lower rise setup and to be honest the position is really nothing compared to riding a fast road bike.

@22Jeffers Ай бұрын

How is matey explaining that the low bar setup feels like his weight is further back? That’s the complete opposite reason why XC racers have longer slammed stems.

@aleskelnar1355 Ай бұрын

front too low - you are scared and try to escape to rear ;-) front high - you get confidence and you will stay longer on the front for majority of riding - just my case for riding steeps .... ofcourse everything has pros / cons ... but I prefer higher bars ( 637 stack, 25mm spacers, 40 rise bars) and my new bike will have 667 stack ... probably with 40 rise bars (187 height, 91 legs, 189 arms)

@tonkshred Ай бұрын

Im 511, high bars feel great for downhills but tight turns and turns at high speed i lose grip on the front im a bit back, 35 rise and 10-15 stack depending on the trail feels juiciest to me.. 35 stem

@MTB_FANATIC99 Ай бұрын

I just ordered fifty fifty brand bars with a 50mm rise cant wait for them to be here ❤

@wilfriedmestdagh1676 29 күн бұрын

I like the comfort of the high bar and the acuracy -and the position I have- of the lower bar. Depends on the situation : trail of the sunday morning vs "race" :-)

@BRINKUK 27 күн бұрын

Yer thats an interesting take. Sunday driver Vs go go go!

@Chris7uk00 Ай бұрын

I fine most bikes now come with a lower front end, I don't like it, It makes me feel like I'm leaning over the front of the bike too far, like I am too far forwards on top of it, the longer your inside leg is the higher you are in relation to your bars and the more you are leaning forwards and over to reach them. I'm only 176-177cm but I have quite long legs so I always fit riser bars to compensate for this, I try to get my weight central on the bike by adjusting the bar height and reach, I don't want to be unweighting either of my wheels in my natural riding position when standing up. It's also easier on the back like addtext says.

@Pieterpittigeportiepeperpathe Ай бұрын

I think the conclusion might be: height doesn't really matter, it's more what you're used to.

@justsayin3600 Ай бұрын

Set the bike up for the trails you ride. Set up the bike to your anatomy, reach, leg length, etc. Im saying the complete set up. If you ride bike park, you're riding with this setup? If you ride true downhill, true enduro, riding XC...Riding in wet, and sticky conditions, ok. Ride with that same setup in dusty, rocky, gravel conditions, loose conditions, on the fast and steep? Fitting video for your location but I doubt your video fits for other conditions around the world 🌎. Come on guys. Expand your brain 🧠 You're broadcasting to Planet Earth 🌏

@RoachDogggJR Ай бұрын

i like my bars high rather have too much leverage than not enough

@declanclegg12 Ай бұрын

I always use burtec high ride 50s wouldn't use any other, im on my 4th bike using these 😊

@MasterChronometer Ай бұрын

Couldn’t you find a shorter track 😂

@BRINKUK Ай бұрын

Gotta ride what youve got!

@motoboggle7525 27 күн бұрын

I’m just about to chuck on some of those Burgtec 50’s on the new Vala 🤙

@levijords Ай бұрын

Haven’t even watched this yet but can answer it, Ratboy for the win 😎🐀

@motoboggle7525 12 күн бұрын

Here’s a question…. When measuring yourself for a bike , the manufacturer gives a guide for height and one would guess that’s bare foot but surely it makes more sense to measure your height as you did there in the shoes you ride in for a more realistic measurement ? I’m always in between large and XL at 186cm without kicks but with more like 188-190 making mr surely an XL …..🤷‍♀️

@MTBEAST007 Ай бұрын

I've been using 65mm riser bars for years...miles better.

@MikeesTexas Ай бұрын

Im digging my Deity 80 -anyone know of any taller bars in 31.8?

@steveh3532 Ай бұрын

Just got some 5.5" from Box

@roblowe8440 Ай бұрын

My take away is, experiment. Don’t assume what you have is right for you and experiment with small changes. Start with moving the stem up the steerer and go from there. Doesn’t need to be as drastic as moving to high rise bars initially just do incremental small changes until you find a sweet spot

@roblowe8440 Ай бұрын

I guess this is why everyone seems to be talking about RAD as the right way to measure your setup rather than reach & stack. Cockpit setup can make so much difference

@BRINKUK Ай бұрын

@@roblowe8440 best comment!! 👏🏼🤘🏼

@duncanwright301 26 күн бұрын

@@roblowe8440I think that RAD taken at face value puts people on WAY too small of a bike, but it’s remarkably useful comparing bikes. My enduro bike is actually a shorter reach than my trail bike, but due to stack and cockpit setup it’s actually a slightly larger RAD.

@loamchasers Ай бұрын

Neither is better. It all depends on riding style and body position. One is not better than the other. This is how you get newer riders buying all sorts of useless stuff becasue they see a video like this

@thebennyball Ай бұрын

Does this mean that Ste is going to have a load of different bar and stem combos for shop trials? 😂

@BRINKUK Ай бұрын

yes!

@RyanMclellan_-__-_-2004 Ай бұрын

Rise looks cooler 😎

@Alansnackbar78 Ай бұрын

Stop advertising this ! I need all the advantages I can get 😂. 80mm deity 🤐

@filipuric3478 Ай бұрын

If I got it right, you said that lower bars put your weight further back. I think it's other way around, but maybe you were over compensating? My understanding is that usually when you switch to the higher bars you need to learn how to keep enough weight on the front wheel by changing your body position. Contrary low bars are keeping more wight on the front wheel "automatically". Otherwise I'm all about high bars, running 60mm rise, but I'm 6'7 with 6'11 wingspan so for me it's not extreme but minimum :D

@BRINKUK Ай бұрын

its more that low bars mean you have to position your weight backwards to get towards the middle of the bike. Where as high bars just out you there.

@filipuric3478 Ай бұрын

@@BRINKUK hmmm so it would be: low bars too much forward >>> high bars, middle position? I guess you can look at it that way too :D

@1BrianFantana1 Ай бұрын

Can someone help me? Im about 5'9" and im riding a giant trance medium, bars 810mm and stem 50mm. Only had the bike just over a month. When i got it the stem was as high up as possible and when i first rode it it felt high to me and twitchy, so i dropped it about 20mm. It seems to feel better than when i first got it, now im seeing a lot about raising the stem and bars and how it can improve handling. I know my bars are too wide really and need to be cut down about 30-40mm for me. Should i go back to a higher stem now im more used to and confortable on the bike? Was it just being so out of practice or can having high bars feel more twitchy? Or maybe im andeering my own question and should lift them up and try again and experiment. Also would a shorter stem benefit me at my height?

@elliotmachin5452 Ай бұрын

Cut the bars down to around 760 and that’ll put you in a more upright position anyway, so in effect raising your bar height. For reference I’m 6,2” and run 740mm bars with a 50mm rise.

@1BrianFantana1 Ай бұрын

@@elliotmachin5452 thanks mate I'll cut them shorter and see how that helps!

@BRINKUK Ай бұрын

@@elliotmachin5452 agree with this

@motoboggle7525 17 күн бұрын

I take it both bikes are XL ?

@BRINKUK 17 күн бұрын

@@motoboggle7525 yes

@letsgoletsgoletsgoletsgoletsgo Ай бұрын

are those 27.5 wheels or are you guys just huge ?

@BRINKUK Ай бұрын

just huge!

@MTB_FANATIC99 Ай бұрын

What rise bars does the purple bike have compared to the grey bike?? Which rise bars are each of them??

@BRINKUK 27 күн бұрын

Purple bike are 50mm, and silver 35mm but overall with stem and spacer there is 50mm difference between them

@motoboggle7525 27 күн бұрын

@@BRINKUK so come on put us out our misery what bars and stem stack is Ste going for ? 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️ …… I’m 6’1 and just about to put some 50’s on as I felt the std 35’s were just a little low and had me over the front a tad.

@BRINKUK 27 күн бұрын

@ ste is now at 111cm bar height

@motoboggle7525 27 күн бұрын

@ but did he change his bars or just stem stack to reach that ?

@BRINKUK 27 күн бұрын

@ he went to 38mm rise bar and more stack

@martinschwartz7342 Ай бұрын

I am 6'4" and use an 80mm riser bar. My bike is a Specialized Kenevo SL in size XL.

@wrongusername Ай бұрын

Higher is better :)

@dannypalma4262 Ай бұрын

I like 70mm rise bar. I kept rising them until it felt right due to an injury and then kept them high. Did 15 years on low bars and only ride high bars now. Yeti SB 130lr. It is more comfortable on most trails and I am faster at bike park as well. I have long legs so able to move up on seat when climbing.