How Humor Saved Dragon Ball - Dragon Ball Dissection: The Majin Boo Arc Part 18!

[@Old_Gil_Gunderson]

Dabra going to heaven instead of hell because he would enjoy it to much is such underrated joke in my opinion.

[@GMan873]

I like how the anime expands on the joke when he's seen completely changed during his short time in Heaven.

[@jackhamilton9604]

Do you think something similar happened to Richard Ramirez?

[@larrychilders6599]

@@jackhamilton9604 probably the marquis de Sade

[@TheAzulmagia]

*Krillin:* Wait a minute, is Toriyama just using visual gags as a way to save himself some work? *Toriyama:* Always have been.

[@spartanq7781]

That may be my favorite joke ever.

[@Saiya6CIT]

Toriyama is a troll

[@spartanq7781]

@@Saiya6CIT Always has been.

[@sunwukong5518]

@@Saiya6CIT Remember the panel in which he accidentally drew king Piccolo with 5 fingers? Yeah he is a troll

[@conquista37]

"Are they fruit? Are they plants? Dragonball Super? It depends on the year" is now the canonical answer to every single question about Toriyamas inconsistencies and general lack of thoughts on his own story.

[@PathBeyondTheDark]

From what I am aware of, authors in Japan have less room to discuss their creative decisions then those of the west. The rights holders have a tighter leash on them, one would assume so as to not have consumers become disillusioned with parts of the material, potentially affecting merchandising sales of said parts, but also maybe to keep die-hard fans speculating thus keeping the i.p. in popular consciousness.

[@Outta-hz1ej]

I like to imagine that whenever Toriyama is asked anything he quickly Google searches it. "Toriyama-san, what role will Tenshinhan have in the next arc?" "OK Google, who is Tension Han?"

[@YossarianVanDriver]

I didn't even realise "Buu only gets energy from the heroes taking damage" was a point of confusion. Like, yeah, that's just how it works, that's how everybody acts the entire time.

[@Fuchsfeuer]

maybe a mandela effect but i also firmly believed that when both are damaged, the energy is collected. have watched the manga several times and the anime a lot more often. maybe it was translated wrongly.

[@juliandavidhoffer2022]

People overcomplicate Dragon Balls writing in their heads all the time.

[@Madara8989]

@@Fuchsfeuer The anime probably had filler reaction shots to Babidi that showed the needle wiggling, which could result in some confusion. In the manga, we see the needle when they pour the Ki absorbing jar into it, then again when Pui-Pui enters the room, then we get a brief glance at it at the end of Dabura vs Gohan and it's only moved a little bit (from the right side of the bottom-most triangle to barely on the left side of it). We then don't see it again until it's maxing out over Goku and Vegeta's fight.

[@juliandavidhoffer2022]

@Stg but it’s especially true with DB

[@juliandavidhoffer2022]

@Stg ok bro, when something is happening in Super people theorize over what is going to resolve the issue. They will see a powerful enemy and say “will Broly come back and fight them?” Many people thought Vegeta was going to kill Beerus because he knew Frieza was going to destroy Planet Vegeta. People want to know the history of the Saiyans and the dragon balls, they want to explore the other universes etc. the issue with all of this is Toriyama has multiple times in DB stated that X is the most powerful person in the universe. The ToP explored all of the most powerful people in the multiverses therefore there is no reason to have an arc in say universe 11 because Jiren is the strongest person and no antagonist would be threatening. Unless you just decide to introduce a character that is stronger in which case that is contrived and contradictory and now I can ask why they weren’t in the ToP? People often theorize that other characters will defeat antagonists besides Goku, I can’t tell you how many thought Vegeta would defeat Moro, but of course he didn’t because that’s not how Toriyama writes DB, he has an incredibly simple formula that anyone could understand just going through the series once at the age of ten. When people theorize that other people will defeat an antagonist or they desire to see the history of other people or see other conflicts from the past, they forget that Toriyama is a simple story teller and that these events won’t be half as interesting as they imagine them to be. Small intimate stories aren’t his thing, they never really were

[@leafbladie]

I always felt like the Majin Boo arc was the funniest arc if nothing else, so glad to hear you like its humor as well.

[@mechajay3358]

Humor was always Toriyama's strong points as a writer.

[@alfred4576]

“If nothing else”? Since Dragon Ball is mostly humor, that it is a pretty big compliment

[@ThumbSipper]

@@alfred4576 it's really not tough, at least since the Piccolo arc Dragon Ball has been more of a drama with comedic flair. It's fairly consistent trough the Sayan, Freeza and android arcs only to fall back to more or less straight comedy in the Majiin Bu arc. Comedy is always present, but never the focus trough most of the series, really.

[@firstorder438]

@@ThumbSipper Agreed

[@mikeythegenesaur719]

I think the humour lands best in the first tournament arc, myself.

[@ThelronFjord]

21:06 I love how this is the ONLY time in Dragon Ball that a character directly calls out Toriyama, considering everyone did it all the time in Dr. Slump.

[@gavinlucas9761]

I completely agree with you that the Majin Boo Arc fails when trying to do the typical impression of Dragon Ball, but it succeeds when it branches out. Or is making fun of itself. As someone that started in the Hunt for the Dragon Balls and wasn’t a huge fan of the Freeza or the Cell arcs. This was a welcome change, as I love the bits of the Saiyaman stuff to the awakening of the Elder Kaioshin, to the reused panels that there’s literally a 4th wall break. So much so that it made the arc less tedious to go through. And was some what a return to form of what I love about earlier Dragon Ball.

[@Drvm614]

buu dood its buu🤦🏾

[@DorienTheHeroOfTheArts]

@@Drvm614 It doesn't even matter, because it's correct either way

[@gavinlucas9761]

@@Drvm614 I still sometimes spell it Buu, but like with MistareFusion's videos I write the characers names as there indended. if his name is spelled as Buu then why is it spelled as Boo in these videos?

[@TheBigBlueBugofJustice]

@@Drvm614 It is in Funimation's shitty English dub if that's all you're used to. Keep in mind that Toriyama, who was a HUGE fan of the old 50s/60s Disney movies he grew up with as a kid, named Majin Boo and his two warlock "masters" after the song in Disney's Cinderella. The song is spelled 'Bibbidi Bobbidi Boo", which is obviously how the names of the characters in Dragon Ball were intended to be spelled and indeed how they are spelled in most of the Japanese media. Funimation however, for whatever reason, be it to avoid copyright trouble or just for no reason whatsoever like with some of their other incorrect name changes (i.e. Krillin, Tien, Frieza, Vegito, Pikkon, etc), decided instead to spell them as Bibidi, Babidi, and Buu, which is the only place you'll see those spellings. Toriyama obviously intended the characters to be named after the song, and Toei and Bandai have always used Bibbidi, Bobbidi, and Boo as the spellings on their products, therefore the people who actually watch/read Dragon Ball and respect the author's original intent stick to those spellings and not the stupid, nonsensical changes that some tiny, amateur dubbing company in Texas, 7,000 miles away from where the series originated, made back in 2001... eight whole years after the characters' initial creation.

[@MistareFusion]

The character's name is ブウ. That's it. That is truly the only thing that can be considered above argument or debate. Any attempt to render any DB character name into English requires some level of interpretation. I have no problem with Buu as an English spelling. In fact, that is the literal transcription of the two kana that comprise his name: bu-u. Funnily enough, a lot of the same people who will freak out if you don't use Buu are the same people who will freak out if someone uses Torankusu or Pikkoro, even though it's actually the exact same thing. At any rate, as has been said many times, the character is named after the Disney song. As in, it's another of many, many characters whose names are rooted in English, in this case, the word "boo." ブウ is what makes that same sound in Japanese. Sounds in Japanese are the same every single time. So when attempting to convert a Dragon Ball name into English, I tend to look at two things. Does it preserve the meaning? Does it preserve the pronunciation? "Boo" very much does both of those things. "Buu" also more or less does both of those things. Although it slightly obscures the origin, it doesn't in any substantial way. Some people throw up their arms over "Frieza," but I feel it's rather similar to this. It's pronounced correctly, and it only very marginally obscures the meaning. I don't use it, but it doesn't bother me like so many of the names that are just wrong in various English adaptations. "Buu" and "Boo" have both existed for a very long time. They both predate FUNimation's involvement with the series, and they both persist to this day. FUNimation's dub, obviously, uses Buu. That's fine. FUNimation's subtitles, Viz's manga, and the show itself uses Boo. That's also fine, and it's what I prefer and am used to. So, yeah. There we are.

[@yotomoe5953]

I will say Goku trading "sexual favors" for things feels more like...knowledge retention than him going down a bad path. If but for the reason that Goku never got the talk on WHY that sorta thing might be bad. It seemed to always work. Everything worked out. Bulma even offered to do it herself! As far as he's concerned that's just how things are done.

[@bladeofbattosai]

Knowledge that is completely lost when Super rolls around. These days, Goku is just as oblivious as he was in the first few story arcs, to the point of not knowing what kissing is. Except now he's married with 2 sons and a granddaughter. Oh, Toriyama...

[@yotomoe5953]

@@bladeofbattosai Yeah that one is really hard for me to legitimize. I can only go down two methods. 1. Goku specifically meant eating a thing and regurgitating it into someone's mouth like a baby bird. 2. Somehow Chi-chi is such a dreamy pure maiden that somehow she thought kissing was super naughty and she got really embarrassed to ever bring it up as a thing she wanted to do. And y'know, Goku just didn't figure it out for himself. But yeah it's one of the dumbest things in Super and I hate it.

[@squirtluigi]

@@yotomoe5953 now that you say that, it was indeed a joke in the pilaf arc how kissing is an extremely naughty action well, not for Bulma it wasn't, but she wasn't exactly the purest of girls

[@sumeracarnatia6997]

@@yotomoe5953 The second one is how I choose to imagine it. I find it pretty conceivable that after marrying Goku, Chi-Chi never had any interest in updating her knowledge on the life as a wife and mom and so just continued with what she already knew.

[@kinggoldark3853]

You probably devoted more explanation to Bobbidi’s power siphoning magic than it deserved. I know there’s a nontrivial segment of the fan base that wants to justify Super Saiyan 3’s nonexistence early on in the arc, but there’s just no getting around how slapdash it was implemented. If it takes a long winded explanation to drive that particular point home, so be it.

[@jonmahashintina]

'so be it.' i skipped over it.

[@patriciofernandez2711]

Yeah that was very boring and took up more than six minutes. Stuff like that and whether or not Babbidi is a clone are always far less interesting than the more meta analysis of the manga, like the humour, the pacing, etc. But maybe it's because I don't expect Dragon Ball to have a consistent inner logic and make a whole lot of sense.

[@hue_jazz59]

@@patriciofernandez2711 I agree .

[@juliandavidhoffer2022]

Dude I’ve tried arguing with people about how poorly written some parts of DB are especially in Super and fuck they won’t just it it be something was written poorly they always have some excuse.

[@kamatariedgar3603]

@@juliandavidhoffer2022 Trying to make sense with DBS fans? You have more chances talking with a wall of bricks.

[@OtakuRefusado]

Old Shin is so much better than Shin and Kibito, it feels their inclusion was only there to present Old Shin later.

[@theradionicrevival8068]

Kibito kai was genuinely a saving grace for them They become infinitely more interesting when fused and also just saves the trouble of having 2 extra guys who don’t belong much Its like how toriyama fused a bit of yamchas personality into krillin at the start of Z, thus killing 2 birds with one stone and removing yamcha from the spotlight without feeling like anything of value was lost Its pretty much a direct extension of that, this time, they were literally fused together tho Honestly Kibito Kai was especially great in GT, i was honestly so used to him existing, i’ll never forgive what Super did to him

[@8E_3T]

@@theradionicrevival8068 As much as I don't mind having Shin back because I do love his design, I miss Kibito Kai's personality in Super. He was such a fun character.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Definitely agree with the "Buu saga is better when its not trying to "be dragonball" that's why I like the Saiyaman part of the story more than literally everything (aside from Vegito) that follows. the arc is at its worst when its (almost verbatim) copying the cell saga.

[@WarCriminalPhlox]

If the damage Badidi's minions received counted towards Majin Buu's revival he wouldnt have needed to send them out to harvest energy in the first place. It was just dumb luck that there was an extremely powerful Gohan to feed the energy collector at the tournament and he didnt even expect that to be the case bc hes shocked at how much they collected, so if the damage his minions suffered counted, it wouldve been much more efficient (and more discrete) to just have Dabra start beating the other minions to milk energy out of them. That way no one wouldve found out their hideout either. To assume that the minions's damage is collected is to introduce a huge plot hole into Babidi's entire plan

[@mrbanks456]

I'm reading Dr. Slump right now. Which is a manga series that has no 4th wall because it's been shattered to pieces. There's something melancholic about seeing Toriyama trying to go back to his roots in the midst of a Dragon Ball arc.

[@Alienldr]

A counter point: Dabura and Babidi did discuss how Dabura can't simply donate his own energy the way Gohan's was taken. And the dragon team commented how they can't sense Spopovich and Yamu. Perhaps, Babidi's spell does something with the ki that can no longer be used towards buu's revival. So perhaps that is what's supposed to happen. All damage taken should be absorbed by the ship, but Babidi's magic has a consequence of getting in the way of his minions' damage being used properly. Just a theory, but it does make him appear more competent. He didn't just overlook this detail, but just had to put up with it. He had no way to ensure people would fight each other without mind control, so it's just the best option, despite the drawback.

[@yotomoe5953]

I'm so glad you finally made it to this part of the story where the...gold of the Buu arc starts to show through the cracks. I don't know if it's a side effect of just Toriyama being ready to wrap up the story but Dragonball starts not taking itself super seriously around this point. And it's one of the few reasons I enjoy the Buu saga so much. Which is why it pains me whenever I see someone's declaration on how to "fix" the Buu saga and they say they should've taken it MORE seriously. If anything it should've taken itself LESS seriously! All the best parts of the buu saga are how enthused it is to joke around and come up with interesting concepts instead of just constant tension. And yeah, the Krillin "Photocoppies" joke is probably my favorite in the series too.

[@Kian30398]

Thank you for explaining the logic behind why SSJ3 would have been useful in the Vegeta fight I didn't quite catch that it was actually the energy behind the damage done by Majin forces that awakened Boo. That's actually quite interesting. Old Kaio is one of my favourite additions in this arc(and in Dragon Ball Super honestly.) he's hilarious and his knowledge definitely saves the Dragon Team's ass lmao.

[@kevinlee9929]

Somebody argued me up and down on a past video that Vegeta's power went to Buu as well. And I told him it didn't, but he wasn't hearing none of it.

[@MattyJBass]

So the answer to the question of where Goku and the gang went to go eat around the 10:00 mark in your video. In the game boy advance game, Buu’s Fury. Which is a action RPG. Within the game, you can go to different minimarts to collect health and items for your journey along the Buu saga. At the end of the game you can freely go to The Kai’s planet, and in there you can find a secret hidden minimart. An actual grocery store on the planet. So from now on and forever furthermore that will be my head canon. I hope this helped and gave you a laugh. Cheers!

[@KetenReviews]

Definitely agree that all the best parts of the Buu Saga are when it isn't trying to be typical Dramatic Dragon Ball. It's actually why I personally slightly prefer the Buu saga to the Cell Saga. Overall, the Buu Saga probably falls shorter but there are more things in the Buu Saga I liked more than the Cell Saga. Granted that does come down to personal preference I suppose, I enjoy when Dragon Ball mixes comedy into its story because I think Toriyama was really damn good at it(Even if some of his jokes have aged poorly lol). I say "was" because most of Supers comedy really falls flat for me... You're totally right on the Gotenks vs Buu fight too, that fight is so "...fine" that people barely remember it. In the manga, it's memorable because of all this build up leading to it hilariously failing hard. That works so much better as a joke than it does a dramatic plot twist. Can't wait to hear you gush over Majin Buu! Mr. Satan and Buu's relationship is definitely the highlight of the arc for me.

[@spartanq7781]

Unfortunately after that moment the arc carrens off of a cliff.

[@KetenReviews]

@@spartanq7781 You're not wrong. The initial Super Buu and the eventual Kid Buu stuff I think is still pretty decent though but ya, wow does it ever get bad when Buu starts absorbing people...

[@imfsresidentotaku9699]

Saying that something has "aged poorly" is a detracting and superficial way of pointing out how it represents the era in which it was made, a factor that should never be considered an imperfection. You're essentially saying that it's too indicative of its time to be good, which is kooky talk. And no, Toriyama's jokes haven't "aged poorly." That's a disservice to his skills as a comedic writer, which is the role he plays best.

[@egebamyasi2929]

Kid Trunks, Goten and Gotenks in general are just the funniest characters in a long time. It's a legitimate return to pure gag comedy with complete disregard of the implications or consequences. I love it

[@thebigchungus4515]

Thanks doc

[@Rhino-n-Chips]

There is an interview where Toriyama cleared up everything about Kaioshin. _"I think that people often see the Kaioshin (laughs) as a race of beings (laughs) oh god (laughs) help I'm having (laughs) a fucking stoke (laughs) fuck (dies)"_

[@MADKapo]

Lance: You can turn into a Super Saiyan 3 Goku: Yup Lance: And doing so would not awaken Majin Boo Goku: Yup Lance: You could use that transformation to defeat Vegeta quickly without taking any damage Goku: Makes sense to me Lance: THEN TURN SUPER SAIYAN 3! Goku: _I'm afraid I might need it later_

[@andrewshearsby8125]

my head canon is he didn't want to burn his time out on earth which makes far too much sense

[@craigpeoples9883]

​@@andrewshearsby8125He would have had more time left after thrashing Vegeta than he did after stalling Buu since Vegeta was much weaker than Buu

[@andrewshearsby8125]

@@craigpeoples9883 maybe so but Goku is not the sharpest tool in the shed

[@craigpeoples9883]

@@andrewshearsby8125You gotta point there honestly ever since the android saga non of them were

[@andrewshearsby8125]

@@craigpeoples9883 true so true

[@DBZMacky]

I just realized Goku unlocks his potential by drinking the super god water which almost makes him die, the Anime even goes further to show him fighting phantoms of his friends. Meanwhile Gohan just sits there for a couple hours. Also if Goku and Vegeta just wanted a fair fight and didn't want to wake Buu up early, why didn't they just fight in their base forms considering their transformations wouldn't change anything? Was Vegeta too afraid Goku would cheat and use the Kaio-Ken triggering his PTSD?

[@damkylan3]

Vegeta definitely wouldn't have gone for that. He wants to beat Goku at his absolute pinnacle. Also, they don't appear to have any idea how Babidi's energy damage concept works until it's too late. Only Gohan managed to figure it out.

[@sunwukong5518]

Dunno. I would das that Gokus tegular Super Saiyan is better than Vegetas because of the whole getting used to it thing.

[@Mothuzad]

Yes, there's a good point here that transformations aren't necessarily completely identical between different people. The Cell Saga established that Goku got more skilled than Vegeta at SSJ1 (or arguably a variant of it, but the point remains).

[@TylerCharlesFisher]

I don't think Vegeta would go through the trouble of selling his soul for a power up just to hold back.

[@shenanigans8353]

The aspect where people's millage may vary the most with the boo arc comes down to the humour and how much of it lands for people because to a degree one can understand that due to the the stakes being as high if not higher than the previous z era arcs the fact that stuff surrounding certain plot points not being taken seriously might irk some people e.g. gohan's immense power boost from just sitting around watching an old man dance

[@islandboy9381]

I don't see how something like someone just powering up from some vague emotional distress turning yellow to instantly be stronger.. just cause.. or the fate of the universe hinging on questionable morality heroes fumbling and muscled up douches punching eachother could even be taking that much seriously after a while. So to me, the fact that this arc after all of the prior ones just downplay this hit me right on the funny bone. I guess thats just the early dragonball fan in me speaking.

[@prometheusmodelow8322]

I mean, the stakes never felt as real as back in the Piccolo Arc for a while, no matter how "bigger" the threats are, they never got to the feeling of the Demon King who killed the magical dragon that could "do everything" Shen-Long, Krillin, Master Roshi, and conquered the World, later arcs tried to impose limitations to the Dragon Balls to gain some level of tension and "permanent" character deaths, but it never hit like the first time. By the time of the Buu Arc, if this got played extremely straight, it would have been tiresome just as it was in the Cell Arc.

[@starone1]

From what I can tell, a lot of people who don't like the Buu arc just wanted the Cell arc again.

[@MagillanicaLouM]

Yeah Toriyama at his core is a comedy writer after all. I also really enjoy when Dragonball isn't 100% serious

[@ChaddyFantome]

"The Buu Arc is at its best when it its just being unconventional and funny instead of by the book and serious" Yea, I can agree with this take.

[@caydenmarlowedefusco6798]

The wackiness stands out from the last two archs and growing up with TV filler, the buu arch was definitely refreshing from the screen time spent scowling and powering up with cell and frieza.

[@ThelronFjord]

The humor in this arc is one of the main reasons I keep the Boo Arc in high regard, and while the fighting may be stale in comparison to everything else in this arc, I do enjoy it a bit more than the fighting in the Cell Arc. The humor, and the finality of the series in this arc (whether Toriyama intended to or not), and the stuff later on with Boo, Mr. Satan ranks it up to my third favourite arc, right after the Saiyan Arc, and the Red Ribbon Arc. The anime also does a very good job adapting the arc, with some of the additions made, even if some of it was tacked on (like the Gotenks vs Fat Boo fight). I can't wait to see what you have to say for the rest of the arc since we're pretty much at the "half-way point".

[@sunwukong5518]

I have a hard time ranking Dragonball because almost every arc os very different. Saying the Frieza arc is better than the Emperor Pilaf one would just say that I enjoy fighting arcs more.

[@sunwukong5518]

My favoris are Tournamemt: 23rd Tournament Earth at Stake: Saiyajin Dragonball Hunt: Red Ribbon Army

[@ThelronFjord]

@@sunwukong5518 Understandable, it takes a lot of time, consideration, reading, re-reading, watching, re-watching, and of course personal tastes when considering where and how to rank arcs.

[@sunwukong5518]

@@ThelronFjord Yeah. My rankings change almost as often as Toriyama rercons some old DB info

[@sunwukong5518]

@@ThelronFjord But altogether it might be like that: 1. Saiyajin Especially in the anime only arc I actually think is better in Z than in Kai 2. Red Ribbon Army Has the most variety out of every arc. We have a pirate cave, one of the best training sections and even a tournament at the end. 3. King Piccolo 4. 22nd Tournament 5. 23rd Tournament 6. Emperor Pilaf 7. Frieza 8. 21st Tournament Great training section but the rest is a bit underwhelming compared to other tournaments except for the finals 9. Cell Actually like it very much 10. Mai Buu Second half just didn't do anything for me. As soon as Super Buu came it went downhill completely. Only really cool moment after that was how Piccolo bought time for Trunsk and Goten.

[@TheMetallingOne]

it is my understanding that by his own admission Toriyama is lazy, however the more time passes the less i hold laziness (not in the writing, just drawing-wise) against mangaka on account of being aware of how brutal it is to be a weekly manga author and how often they run their health to the ground.

[@newdawnhorizon9879]

He could've switched to monthly

[@jonmahashintina]

'not in the writing' as i understand it, the plot of the chapter can take up to 4 days to finalise with the editor, leaving a 3 day crunch to get the full 14 pages completed.

[@theradionicrevival8068]

@@newdawnhorizon9879 easier said then done

[@TheMetallingOne]

@@jonmahashintina i can't even imagine drawing 14 pages in 3 days jfc

[@newdawnhorizon9879]

@@theradionicrevival8068 It is easy

[@End_Zionism]

You are really speaking my language with this episode. I have been preaching how great the humor of this arc is for years, I couldn't wait to hear you talk about Toriyama calling himself out for reusing art. I love the Buu arc for how self aware it is and I think too many fans fail to realize that. Thank you good sir.

[@LanceThumping]

12:00 there is only one thing consistent with Toriyama and that's that he'd prefer to be doing a gag manga but Dragonball pays the bills so he keeps working on it. I don't feel like he has all the writing chops or the care necessary for a heavy plot focused manga so whenever the story gets in a bind he just starts hand waving.

[@SEIJITV]

I thought everyone knew how the damage energy thing works in the Buu arc...crazy that you even had to explain it like that.

[@cliff402ful]

These are quality videos. It sucks content like this doesn't get the love it deserves.

[@mechajay3358]

I never bought the whole "Goku didn't use SSJ3 against Vegeta so he wouldn't have to give energy to Buu" reason I just assumed it was because he didn't want to use up the time left he had on Earth. Which in of itself wouldn't be much of a problem if he took out Vegeta quicky if he used that form.

[@sumeracarnatia6997]

THANK YOU for delving into the specifics of the damage fueling Buu. It’s one of the most confusing parts of that part of the story and I very much appreciate you clearing it up.

[@kevinlee9929]

Once Goku pretty much let it slip that he had a chance to beat Buu as SSJ3, but didn't. My interest really went South. It just made it feel like Buu really wasn't that big of a threat like Frieza and Cell was.

[@shenanigans8353]

Not helped later by goku and vegeta actively handicapping themselves being necessary to keep buu a threat

[@tarnw3301]

I think Goku had a chance. But it was a small chance and Goku preferred going for the safest bet.

[@kevinlee9929]

@@tarnw3301 He made it out like that to Piccolo. But later on in the saga he says point blank that he knew could have beaten Fat Buu with SSJ3.

[@tarnw3301]

@@kevinlee9929 I just read the manga like a week ago. And never was there any point, in the manga, where I believed SSJ3 Goku had a chance of defeating Buu, not before his time ran up anyway.

[@kevinlee9929]

@@tarnw3301 Go to right before before he fights Kid Buu

[@g1xrider13]

I feel that Goku’s reasoning for not using ss3 against Vegeta makes sense when we think about how little they all knew about Buu. Goku might have been able to beat Vegeta quickly at SS3 but again Goku had no idea how strong Buu was, what all his abilities were or how fast it would diminish his time on Earth. Goku didn’t know whether or not Babidi would’ve been able to get enough energy to free Buu through some other means and if Goku had used SS3 on Vegeta he night have been all out of time or energy leaving no one to be able to stop Buu.

[@g1xrider13]

@Morph Ball I actually think it was the opposite. I think Goku went into that fight believing he might have been able to get Vegeta to come to his senses so they could team up against Buu if it came to that. You’re right, if Goku had busted out SS3 in front of Vegeta he might have been even more pissed off that he wouldn’t have listened to anything Goku said anyway.

[@guillermoelnino]

i prefer to think goku would see ss3 as having some fatal flaw vegeta would easily pick up on. that would be a more satisfying explanation in my opinion.

[@ChrisPeteG]

"If you want consistency, find something not written by Toriyama" fixed that for you :D

[@Ineedgames]

Humor being the arcs strong point makes a lot of sense considering Toriyama had free control of the series at this point.

[@ralphjb]

I like to believe that Goku didn't use SSJ3, because it would have used up all his time on Earth. He may have been able to take Vegeta out quickly but he would have had no time left to help out with Dabura, Babidi or anyone else. He wanted to stick around as much as possible to assist as much as he could. He only pulled out SSJ3 once he resigned himself to the idea that he'd leave it up to Goten and Trunks to take care of things, because he'd no longer be needed at that point. That said, he didn't actually make that decision until after arriving at the lookout.

[@reversalmushroom]

He would've been able to take out Vegeta in an instant. It would not have lasted nearly as long as the Buu fight. He could've instantly depowered and had plenty of time.

[@ralphjb]

@@reversalmushroom He wouldn't have necessarily known that in that instant. He was obviously unsure of how much time he'd actually have left, which is why he was caught off guard when Uranai Baba notified him that his time was up. Again, this is all just my headcannon so we don't need to go too deep into it.

[@PrimeroJinJusuke]

The thing is, he was encouraging Gohan to take on Dabra and Babidi. If SSJ3 Gokū defeated Vegeta, then one problem would have been solved very quickly. And since Gokū wanted the next generation to be heroes, not him, he didn’t need to stick around. He knew Gohan could beat Dabra, even with difficulty. And the Kaiōshin wasn’t weak either. Both of them could have defeated Dabra together.

[@kmgyening]

I mean, he specifically talks to Vegeta as if he's going to fight at full power, and then is surprised/disappointed that Vegeta transforms to match his power level. If the purpose of transforming beyond SSJ1 (because they were at SSJ1 before they started) was to avoid taking damage and transferring that to Majin Buu, then why wouldn't Goku just transform to SSJ3 after realizing SSJ2 wasn't working? That defeats the entire purpose of what he said. On top of that, Goku specifically tells Krillin and Piccolo on the Lookout that he couldn't beat Buu because Vegeta couldn't and they were about even in power. Since SSJ3 is not even with Majin Vegeta's power, why would he just not tell them that he had another form that he was not willing to use? What incentive could he possibly have to omit that information to his friends?

[@Pinkfloyd0729]

It was the comedic moments that you covered in this episode that made me wonder if the Boo arc might snatch the number 3 spot over the Cell arc. I wish that they could’ve committed more fully to this irreverent and self-referential tone throughout the arc.

[@donagodi456]

How you comment 6 days ago?

[@JLuisJoni]

@@donagodi456 Patreon Early Access.

[@mytyhekiller4]

I think it would have, had it not been for its trainwreck of an ending

[@yotomoe5953]

@@mytyhekiller4 I actually think the ending is one of the best parts. It's the part leading up to the ending, the absorption and stuff, that I absolutely loathe.

[@mytyhekiller4]

@@yotomoe5953 yah let's be clear. What I call the ending is what unfolds from the first Buu absorption to the Genki Dama. The last ditch effort and the 10 years later beats are quite good

[@dwainfrett5385]

I agree. Your explanation of why Goku should have went Super Saiyan 3 against Vegeta is good. I'm surprised people were confused about that.

[@NataliaNeeSama]

Playing a bit as the Devil's Advocate, I think someone could argue that Goku not using Super Saiyan 3 against Vegeta was "Goku just wanted to fight Vegeta on equal ground because Goku want a excuse to fight Vegeta again", but that would also paint Goku as a selfish person, who doesn't care about Earth's fate, and just want the thrill of the fight... Kinda like in the Cell saga.... so I guess would be at least consistently selfish.

[@798jeremy]

Goku isn't a totally constant character, actually. On one hand, he does really care about the Earth, because he also cares about his friends and family, but on the other hand, fighting tough guys definitely is his favourite thing to do in life (besides eating like a holey basket of course), which obviously makes him act selfishly sometimes and to be fair, he acknowledges it himself several times in the story ! So at least he's honest enough to recognize his own downsides himself, and it's all to his credit for this, let's face it...

[@ssjgotenks2009]

kind like cell saga what you tlaking about goku could not beat cell only gohan could so how is goku leting gohan fight sleifhs its nto evne if goku take the bean cell wood have used has full power kikll goku or blwo him slef up coem back spc then kill every one gohan was only way

[@NataliaNeeSama]

@@ssjgotenks2009 Oh what I'm talking about is WAY before that. At the beginning. Bulma suggests that since they know the future(it was just after Trunks depart for the first time), they could go and kill Dr.Gero before he create the androids, but everyone says "no" because they want to fight the androids.

[@MrAaaaazzzzz00009999]

my interpretation is that Goku did not want to kill Vegeta or destroy Vegeta's pride. He knew the reason Vegeta turned to Babidi is that he felt that he was too weak. So he chose to fight him as SSJ2 as a therapy. it was showed that Goku did not believe that Vegeta was truly evil. now if Goku were to go SSJ3 and immediately beat Vegeta, he would have to kill him since there is no way Vegeta would give up trying to prove that he is stronger than Goku. basically there was a chance that SSJ3 would worsen the problem by making Vegeta a casualty and of course limiting his time on earth.

[@theinvestigativemillennial9381]

You know speaking of contributions to power scalers lol - I love the fact that you point out that Gotenks' "Fight" was an obvious joke. So many people have tried to say "Well clearly since Gotenks survived his fight and Vegeta didn't" Gotenks' base must be stronger. and I'm just like........IT"S A JOKE........ It's probably not event meant to communicate strength level it's meant as a gag. I mean leaving aside the fact that even if you take the scene completely seriously Vegeta deliberately blew himself up and Gotenks didn't. Which is why I love your series so much because as much as I enjoy what if fights and power scalers it's good just to analyze the series for fun.

[@King_Nex]

Wouldn't it be a lot easier and less conspicuous for Babiddy to have his minions spar each other? That's double the energy and no heroes are alerted (as far as he knows).

[@snin3202]

As a reader who read Dragonball since OG, buu arc really brought the spark back. Freeza and cell sagas were brilliant. But since saiyan saga it hit diff in term of tone. At that time buu arc really a good closure for dragonball for me 🙂

[@lexzeyfercronus]

No amount of head canon can defend ssj3,toriyama's explanation is as well thought out as goku's explanation,meaning its bad,why cant we just accept it? The fact that we have to come up with a logical and consistent explanation collectively for decades prooves it even further. The man is known for writting things without much thought put into them.

[@fenomozo9108]

I really like the majin boo arc precisely of what you said about the humor in this. It is basically top-notch. I feel like this arc comes back to the roots of early dragonball in being a mix between humor and fighthing, and that´s how i think that Dragonball is at its best (the cell arc in particular is the most boring to me with the lack of jokes). I cannot wait for you to tackle next time the other reason why i freaking love this arc. (Sorry for my broken english).

[@spartanq7781]

Your English was top notch though. Unfortunately though after that moment the arc carrenes off a cliff because then it becomes non-stop combat which is boring to me without something to shake it up.

[@bryanc7094]

This arc felt nothing like dragon ball?

[@spartanq7781]

@@bryanc7094 He said it goes back to it's roots. That is the exact opposite of your takeaway from it.

[@fenomozo9108]

@@spartanq7781 Yeah, once Majin Boo gets evil, it stops being that fun. But it has its moments, like all the banter between Goku and Vegeta.

[@spartanq7781]

@@fenomozo9108 I wish the arc stuck with comedy. Toriyama is so much better at that than what Dragon Ball is popular for. Which makes me wonder why did he ever move away from that?

[@tonycorona8501]

I like to think the Arabian clothes only become a thing around this because Aladdin came like a year before the arc started.

[@798jeremy]

Maybe so, except Toriyama already started to use this fashion clothes years before in early Dragon Ball arcs, even before DBZ series itself, back in the 80's, so that idea doesn't really work actually...but hey, nice try anyway ^^'

[@i_dont_care1575]

12:40 kaioshins live for 75,000 years.. when Shin saw the other kaioshins die from Buu's hand, MILIONS of years ago xD

[@succubastard1019]

The 75k years statement would also be further contradicted by the DBS manga in the future, where the Grand Kaioshin and the South Kaioshin fought Moro 5 million years prior to their battle Buu.

[@kjfinch8866]

These videos are the best dragon ball vids on KZbin IMO

[@treyenma5206]

Now my hopes are up for seeing the Mister Satan and Boo interactions next chapter. It's comin'.

[@horaciosi]

I just noticed: The ToriBot has the word "Bird" written on his shirt. Not only is it a translation for "Tori", but it might be a reference to Toriyama's previous persona, that of a bird in a suit, during Dr. Slump's run.

[@vvlaze]

I always find extremely long winded review series with no real throughline kind of lame, but I’ve always found DBD to work super well because each episode has it’s own thesis to it. I can bounce around to any episode in the series at any time and thoroughly enjoy myself.

[@censoredterminalautism4073]

Yeah, this part is pretty funny. Elder Kaioshin is one of the best characters in this arc, just because of how goofy he is. Satan is the best character, though. His interactions with Buu are the best thing about this arc. Technically, the entire conflict could have been resolved with no fighting at all. Though I guess separating Buu from his evil did make his redemption easier to accept.

[@nicobane]

glad you got around to this one. gotenks’ introduction has to be one of my favorite parts of the series too because of its comedic attitude. there’s alot of comedy in these coming chapters too, which is what i most fondly remember of the buu arc. keep it up 👍

[@Morgil27]

I personally think the Fusion gone wrong joke is funny here in the Buu arc, but when they repeat the same joke in both the Fusion Reborn movie and the new Broly movie, I just groan and roll my eyes.

[@SonicmaniaVideos]

In Fusion Reborn they had the failed fusion fight Janemba, so that was at least different.

[@fenomozo9108]

i feel you, bro. That funny joke is a torture by now.

[@dbzsonic1069]

To be fair Both instances were Goku and Vegeta's first time doing the dance (well really Vegeta's but still). Understandable they wouldn't get it right on the first go. Plus Frieza getting his royal ass beat for over an hour was pretty funny.

[@kamatariedgar3603]

I was waiting for your thoughts on Toriyama saying sorry in manga, not disappointed xD i love Dragon Ball humor, i know that most people want blood and screams and new hair colors, but this was a 14 page gag manga, Toriyama did best with fun silly moments.

[@ascended00hybrid58]

Gotta love how Trunks still messes up the fusion dance in the new DBS SuperHero movie according to the poster.

[@saiyajedi]

18:45 See also the entire “Akane is kidnapped by an ersatz Arabian kingdom after being mistaken for the princess” arc in _Dr. Slump_ …

[@trevingsly8050]

Toriyama breaking the 4th wall here is defintely real good, but nothing beats goku hitting yamcha into the top of the manga panel and him bouncing off it into the ground in vol 1😂🤣

[@saorlathesurly]

The idea of Bobbidi harnessing the energy of the damage his minions makes me wonder...if that's indeed the case, then what would happen if two of his minions fought one another?

[@vaensmusic]

"looks like Enma has brushed up on his English" HA!

[@mikeythegenesaur719]

I always did wonder how anyone ever expected a sword to be an effective strategy against a putty man who can come back from being smashed into tiny blobs.

[@AutumnPlains]

Samurai Jack? 😛

[@saiyajedi]

10:17 “Kachin” is a sound-effect for something that’s very hard.

[@Morgil27]

The vest and baggy pants look is also used in both Dr. Slump and some of the Dragon Quest games. So yeah, I think Toriyama has a soft spot for that outfit.

[@BenFan-hx6ih]

You forgot to count a Bulma upskirt shot.

[@BelartWright]

Pintar, Krillin's opponent, also fits right in with the Arabian motif. He's dressed just like Popo.

[@infinite6560]

Still going to remember the scene when Buu made Goku and Vegeta crash into each other and then Vegeta said “WHAT IS YOUR HEAD MADE OF?!”

[@PkmnTrainerEmerald]

it was refreshing to see Toriyama start to show more of the humor even towards the end of the series. Toribot even makes an appearance here too!

[@Chris-th5fl]

humor is what toriyama excells at! the fighting got so popular it got over his head.

[@Slangh]

Goku knows how to press the right buttons when he knows how they work. And he has experience with women at this point so he totally gets the older Kaioshin.

[@798jeremy]

And then DBS made him totally regress back to an inexperienced child like nothing happened before -_-' DBGT also did it with his physical appearance, but still managed to keep up his mental progression though, just like the adult he was supposed to be at this time...and DBS basically did the opposite, which is even worse and dumber.

[@Slangh]

@@798jeremy Yeah GT Goku still felt the same character-wise, unlike DBS Goku

[@joy4themightydonutchainsaw620]

No one is going to convince me Goku has never kissed Chichi when he’s exchanging sexual favors with a god years prior on top of a bunch of other facts like his two children

[@spinceiling7442]

I really like the humor in this arc. I've read and watched it like a dozen times but a lot of the jokes still make me smile. Also Gotenks is probably my favourite character in the series

[@kickitoldskool]

For the most part, I've been watching these while formatting Pokemon spreadsheets.

[@Acerthorn]

You didn't mention how the shaking of the planet might have revived Majin Buu, though. The whole reason Supreme Kai didn't want Vegeta to simply blow the ship to kingdom come is because the shock could release Majin Buu, albeit with less than full power. Now sure, that begs the question of why Gohan vs. Cell seven years ago didn't release Majin Buu. But that can be handwaved away by any number of possible explanations.

[@kmgyening]

There's also the possibility that SSJ3 Goku might have been strong enough to overtake and destroy a less-than-full-power Buu if he were accidentally revived. The problem is that doesn't come up in the source material itself.

[@Thisdude850]

Ah yes how nice making fun of all Dragonball tropes and still resorting to playing them straight again and even worse than before in the same arc,brilliant.It also makes the tone so incosistent.

[@aladinsane9785]

And just when I was getting bored….Thanks for the new vid, MistareFusion!

[@WakoDoodle]

Isn't the thing spoppovich and yamu (the two human lackies ordered by babidi) to draw power with, a lamp? Like a genie lamp? Since it's used to draw power from others for majin buu; who himself comes out in a burst of smoke, wearing arabian-inspired trousers, shoes, vest and belt, with magical powers that can literally change shape of himself and others around him (like turning people into candy). Kind of like a Genie. This also explains why fat buu (or majin buu) looks a bit similar to Mr. Popo; who is also inspired by arabian genies and even rides a magic carpet.

[@ssjgotenks2009]

lol no it not isnpried by adiidan loojk up jien they ben meth that eixs befor aribian gneis were thing and jins wrr wha tbuu dos

[@WakoDoodle]

@@ssjgotenks2009 But it's more likely toriyama was inspired by the arabian design regardless. That's why he even has bulma dress up during dragonball in a similar gettup. Along with the lamp that steals energy for a smoke, magical child-creature that wears similar clothes in design to mr. popo who has a flying carpet and powers so strange he can fend off a super saiyan with ease. Toriyama like arabian folklore, to be honest it's a pretty cool one to draw from. ^^

[@mikeythegenesaur719]

1:20 I hate it when Dragon Ball fans use planet-shaking power-ups as a metric for how serious some new power is, even though NAPPA caused a planet-wide earthquake.

[@prometheusmodelow8322]

SS3 Goku = Nappa in power lol. In all seriousness, though, it's the problem fiction finds when the characters simply become too powerful to constantly potray the increases accurately, i mean, you can't have Galaxies exploding every time Goku powers up.

[@kmgyening]

Yea that feat isn't consistent.

[@sumeracarnatia6997]

Given how long Gohan had to be awake for this ritual, maybe that’s why Ultimate Gohan gets so smug; he’s sleep deprived and can’t be bothered to be nice.

[@SoraBell]

DBZ Buu’s Fury put a market on the supreme Kai’s planet so I’m guess that’s where they get their food from

[@UltimateCarl]

If I were any earlier to this video, I'd be a Patreon Supporter.

[@VICTORZITOSS]

If I were a patron supporter, I'd have more to say than just a filler comment to appeal to the algorithm

[@jakesimpson3373]

I think a lot of the confusion about SSJ3 waking Buu up comes from Shin saying that blowing up the ship would wake him up. One of comments highlighted in the video mentions how Goku’s transformation shook the Earth. Its been a while since I’ve read the Buu arc so I don’t remember if that is an anime exclusive effect for the transformation or not, but overall it does seem like outside forces aside from collecting energy can wake Buu up even if it doesn’t give him energy directly.

[@kmgyening]

That's probably the strongest and most sensible case for Goku not using it. But there's still information that I would say strongly suggests that Goku didn't actually have it before its debut. His conversation with Krillin and Piccolo on the Lookout shortly after waking up supports this.

[@jakesimpson3373]

@@kmgyening Thats definitely the actual reason he didn’t use it earlier, just that Toriyama hadn’t thought of it yet, but thats just my own reason to help the story make sense. I don’t think Toriyama was actually thinking of that when he wrote the story

[@kmgyening]

@jakesimpson3373 Yea, I think it's fair enough to bring that up, given Shin's established concern prior to the Majin Vegeta fight. If I had to think of any counter to that point though, it'd be that the shaking the planet feat doesn't seem to be consistent among the few times that Goku goes SSJ3 throughout the arc. But even the reason for that inconsistency isn't clear.

[@radicallaruby]

So Goten's a better dancer. Boy needs whatever points he can get.

[@spartanq7781]

Goten is a good boy. He did nothing wrong.

[@NiGHTSnoob]

I always figured the reason Babidi's minions taking damage doesn't give Boo any energy is because they've been tainted with Babidi's magic. Boo needs a pure form of energy. Vegeta even says that Babidi's magic makes you stronger, so one can assume their Ki isn't normal anymore and Boo can't use it or it can't be collected.

[@KittSpiken]

He could have kept the rule and we would be calling the SpongeBob Time Card the DragonBall Time card. "One Hour Later" "Alright everybody, we're resetting, we're focused, we got our heads in the game, you boys are gonna dance your hearts out and we're gonna beat that evil bubble gum." The anime could have included the fight and kept the joke if they had smash cut to the fight in progress with Gotenk's already getting whupped. You couldn't make it Six minutes, probably only 10 to 20 seconds of quick cuts with them getting the snot beat out of them before you show them limp home to the manga gag. Then after the episode concluded show the fight again, starting with the segments you showed previously with some solid vintage AJPW funky wrestler theme music capping the episode with a call back beat down. The call back would depend a lot on the choreography of the fight are big in how long you can play it and have it be funny and if you can play it past the point of being not funny right on into hilarious but it's 90 seconds solid. Done right you could fill most of that 6 minutes cut.

[@androidsenpai1462]

Bobbidi’s minions were probably discounted from the gathering of energy to awaken Boo by merit of the fact that they never took damage. Vegeta disintegrated Puipui immediately, and Yakon quite literally ate himself to death. Plus, Dabra vs. Gohan almost certainly caused damage.

[@SttudDioPierrot]

When the Z Sword first got broken, my first thought was "Quick, make another Sword out of Kacchin" 😂😂

[@epicrotfl7017]

I can forgive Goku for not using SS3 in his fight with Vegeta if he believed that he might need the form later. He may have been under the impression that Buu could awaken even if he stopped Vegeta and so wasting the energy on an opponent that he could beat without it would be against his best interests. To my knowledge, the story doesn’t make this idea impossible.

[@islandboy9381]

But Goku states his best interest for the Vegeta fight with "I have to END this fight quickly" if he is fully aware that option could very well do that then I don't understand him being so doubtful

[@epicrotfl7017]

@@islandboy9381 that doesn’t necessarily make SS3 his best opinion. He honestly could win the fight with a choke hold or something, but it’s Dragon Ball, so that isn’t going to happen.

[@succubastard1019]

@@epicrotfl7017 Goku had Senzu beans, so he could have just used hose to get a full restoration if that was his concern.

[@epicrotfl7017]

@@succubastard1019 that wasn’t the problem, the problem was his time remaining in Earth.

[@succubastard1019]

@@epicrotfl7017 I still don't really understand your point. If the time left on Earth was the problem, than I don't see how SSJ3 would have worsened that situation. The limit is implied to be one of pure, objective measurable time, not of energy that can run out and shorten the number of actions Goku can take. Again, if Goku thought about sparing SSJ3 later for whatever reason and had ran out of energy, the senzu would have saved him, Attempting to justify his decisions with this would be a case of oddly specific and convenient overcarefulness in a situation where everyone tends to be very uncareful.

[@The_One_In_Black]

I think Goku just thinks most great masters are like the Turtle Hermit.

[@bruno17289]

I agree, but by this point Goku knows what is up. He knows how to make babies

[@DonWeaselYeehawEdition]

I've been re-watching DBD from beginning all the way to GT, and i must say, the closer we get to the present, the sassier Lance gets. And I'm 100% here for it 😂😂

[@MistareFusion]

Yay!

[@chabri2000]

goku released lot of power in the fight against yakkon, yet it did not affect buu in any way. And babidi also said they have to take damage to steal energy from them. Not using ssj3 at that point is probably cause toriyama probably haven't thought about it at that point

[@twilftw]

everytime i pull an all nighter for some reason an episode of dragon ball dissection spawns in my sub box

[@randomfox12245]

You know this just occurred to me: if it was true that damage IN GENERAL contributes to Buus awakening during the Goku Vegeta fight, and Gokus priority is to end the fight quickly to avoid their energy going towards that... The best possible way to ensure that happens would have been to throw the fight. Let Vegeta feel like he won, and make the battle take as little time as possible, only taking a minimum amount of damage as he could get away with to make it seem believable that he's been defeated while dealing little to no damage to Vegeta himself. Of course I dont think Goku of all people would have even thought to do that. But it does strike me as being an effective solution to the problem.

[@jaybee27D]

Aside from not knowing Goku was holding back a secret transformation, I really can't imagine Vegeta not realizing Goku's holding back any of his power when fighting him. Characters in Dragon Ball usually seem pretty aware of that.

[@mrprotoman154]

Pretty sure vegeta was going for the kill in that fight so i'm not sure playing possum would've worked out too well.

[@randomfox12245]

@@mrprotoman154 I mean, Goku was already dead, so not sure what Vegeta would have accomplished

[@kmgyening]

​​@@randomfox12245I mean, there was that later plot point that if you get killed again while you're dead, you just cease to exist forever. Though, even if that were true before that line was even introduced into the arc, idk how Vegeta would know that at the time of fighting Goku.

[@tintor2]

The whole damage thing just goes to show how the series is filled with plotholes the more we remember it

[@Irrelevant402]

I think the Buu saga works for me because of the humor. I dunno I think a good way to keep characters that can blow up a planet by sneezing relatable is by keeping it absurd strangely.

[@spartanq7781]

Exactly given how ridiculous that is and what Toriyama's strengths are the series should have stuck to gags.

[@bryanc7094]

It’s almost like half the fanbase dosent even know or care who AKIRA Toriyama even is🤦‍♂️. What a disaster turning his innocent series into this mess, and then going backwards when he realized he screwed up trying to capture the next generation feel again after failing to properly kill off Vegeta in the cell arc and have him remembered as a hero. Great Dissection Mistare Fusion.

[@Dragonfist900]

I'd say if Goku went ssj3 for a moment against Vegeta, he would have ended Vegeta then and there and then powered down really quickly

[@spartanq7781]

That's what he was saying Goku should have done.

[@Saiya6CIT]

First time watchung this was recommend by a friend nice job. I am a dragon ball fanatic. I like this I might subscribe.

[@MistareFusion]

I hope you do! Thanks for giving it a watch!

[@loregasmic]

10:59 My headcanon is that the sword was imbued with divine energy from Beerus which would've been Majin Buu's weakness, possibly canceling out his magic/healing factor. Gohan just couldn't draw it out because he had no experience with divine energy whatsoever. It was expected that only someone possessing divine energy could've pulled the sword out, not a mortal.