How I Found Out My Teammate Was Making x3 My Salary

[@theanonymouschicken169]

-Dom and Piglet then went on to become best friends after winning the lcs and making top 4 at worlds-

[@komalhop]

*Redacted*

[@bdosreisable]

this a manual on how not to treat 1- human beings 2- teenagers 3- employees 4- a team. way to go Steve.

[@lynko5863]

is this steve the same guy from tsm? or is that another guy?

[@acatwithwiskers9273]

Sounds insanely uncomfortable

[@SirPattyOfCakes]

This is toxic as fuck. This exactly how you don’t manage employees.

[@flameofthegame]

Steve is prime example on how not to talk to your employees

[@fklmrek437]

He genuinely could not have orchestrated this conversation worse. The team in the worst headspace, they just got reverse swept and missed worlds because of it, they’re exhausted and hungry after playing league for 5 hours and doing fan meets. It like he was trying to make them all hate each other. I do think it’s important to hear from the players themselves and what they think, but their easily could’ve been done one on one, in private, multiple days later. And bringing up salary is just pointless, that is just a management issue and should never be a discussion between the players.

[@Browniepopo411]

@@fklmrek437 I mean this was forever ago.

[@LargeMcBottoms]

Steve has said it was one of his biggest mess-ups and it taught him a lot. He was high on emotion, too, and still only a couple years into being an org owner. He's grown a lot since then.

[@JapesZX]

@@Browniepopo411 It doesn't really matter how long ago it was. The point still stands. Big lesson.

[@GEM4sta]

​@@fklmrek437salary is pivotal because it determines how strong their replacement can be, but certainly if there are other factors at play like streaming, it's not very productive to just say flat out how much someone makes

[@CxerRy96]

Just a huge shoutout to Cop for handling the situation so maturely for his age and the age of the league scene as a whole...my guy straight up said alright I'll grind it out in Academy and he did, then qualified to the LCS, and had a fine year next year on Gravity, I remember some carry Draven games from him

[@dawar102]

In a sea of immature and entitled esports figures I find this to be mad respectable

[@hellowill]

Cop was a boss back in the day. Curse had so such drama and he was never part of it.

[@jonr4164]

One of the most unprofessional, insensitive, unethical team meeting in e sports history.

[@SamSGLM]

You know of. I know much worse and there are dozens worse than the ones I know. You never seen any regi clips? Shit he would say to his team right after the game?

[@dooklikebookbutwithad]

TSM trumps this

[@Vuosta]

What a cursed approach to roster building. Just having people out others from the team in public like that? Shit's crazy lol

[@goodbye6967]

Actually made me churn. Hard to even finish listening this shit

[@Velereonics]

It basically means you must axe anyone who someone says that about, because the sheer awkwardness of knowing someone thinks you are holding them back is going to destroy your team cohesion. What a rarted way to run an org.

[@shigerou16]

early days, stupid kids with way too much budget, shit happens

[@Pineapplelesspineapplepizza]

And yet Dardoch was the toxic one solely in the TL confronting Steve situation and everyone was like “how could he talk to Steve like that he’s such a good guy, god himself has blessed him and kissed him spoke highly of him” and now we know that that Pob would of been their mid if Steve didn’t fuck him over 2 times. I honestly think players who vouched for Steve or even Jack of c9 only wanted to stay on good terms and publicly dickride in case they needed a job.

[@Pineapplelesspineapplepizza]

So Steve not only makes the entire team uncomfortable, he also wanted to have someone like voy and pay him less, also was the reason why Pob didn’t join the team 2 times but was also exposing people’s salary. And yet people 100% blame Dardoch for the way he talked to Steve in TL braking point. No one ever questioned if Steve could have been a toxic factor here and only blamed Dardoch 100% for everything. Which I’m not defending Dardoch but as Bill Burr says “why can’t we ask questions as to how things lead up to this point?” It goes to show that I’m sure not only Regi was a toxic pos leading a company but maybe also Steve or even Jack and people publicly dicked sucked them bc they wanted to be cool with them to get a job. Which goes to show that what DL did to “expose” Regi was not a noble act he sucked him dry for as much money as he could then when him and his gf were no longer in danger of any consequences he spills it all coming off as a savior. I think the same happens with Steve where so many talk about him as if he’s god blessed and can do no wrong.

[@deyzick32]

piglet mentioned but not flamed? blink twice if you're held hostage dom.

[@lourencoramos3122]

one of the reasons why dom is one of my favourite streamers is because he's actually willing to share these stories. idk there's just something about these anecdotes that have such a "locker room" stories that you'd hear about in sports that make me empathize a lot more with players who id otherwise only see through their media trained personas

[@jamieallover1587]

This open personality has cost Dom alot. He was shunned by Rioters for the most part the last decade. Honestly without his dedication and work ethic he would have been eaten by the system like many others for it.

[@metalghost4869]

nah this bum is still stuck in the past lol admire what ? a diamond player who talks trash 24/7 and is delusional kk

[@Diaryofaninja]

This si weird glazing

[@lourencoramos3122]

@@Diaryofaninja weirdo

[@Diaryofaninja]

@@lourencoramos3122 Says u glazing lil bro

[@jayrr89]

I swear, Dom should pitch this to TV executives. He always has great stories and it’s always interesting to hear these type of things going on behind the scenes.

[@florisbackx1744]

There already is a series about a league pro team called Players and it has many cameo's of well known wtf moments from the early days. Besides it being very recognizable it actually is great series in it's own right. I can't recommend it enough, a real 'must see'!

[@thatGass]

Nobody cares about this stuff but league nerds

[@reabsorb]

@@thatGassexactly lmao nobody is gna watch this shit

[@sharpieman2035]

It’s a good story to tell your friends but not TV show level

[@kuzz1191]

lets be real tv executives would just butcher it and make it lame anyways

[@rhyestripes6059]

Lol Steve breaking multiple labor laws in Quick succesion

[@sum12merkwith]

Can I ask you what laws? genuinely curious

[@itskmillz]

@@sum12merkwith I'm going to assume the wage disclosure part is one. I'm not sure about the law but it certainly seemed unethical to put everyone on the spot about who they want to continue working with just out in the open.

[@thesx1131]

@@sum12merkwith Him blurting it out right after Voy said he doesnt want to disclose it probs makes it the second. And maybe you can say sowing discord because it seems like he deliberately brought it up right after someone voted against him.(tho i dont know from which point is this illegal or is at all)

[@bryanlutz7950]

@@thesx1131 Its not against laws for them to say how much they are paying an employee but it is highly unethical since it almost always causes issues. For instance at my work when you get hired they tell you to try not to talk about your Salary so you don't upset other employees if you happen to make more or less.

[@eFrog27]

Steve basically said he wants to hire someone for less lmao #PaidBySteve

[@tavpros]

Not defending the awkward forced conversation, but like, yes? Of course he would want that. That's how businesses work

[@eFrog27]

@@tavpros no shit bro. This is about him saying it directly to the guys face

[@tavpros]

@@eFrog27 You think the players don't also know this?

[@jacebeleren9682]

@@tavpros The only thing to note would be the Twitch hours that he was having to put in from his contract. Can confirm that Voy was by far their most famous/popular player at the time. Xpecial might have brought some TSM fans over to them but probably not cuz TSM fans were rabid back in the day

[@Plamler]

@@eFrog27in pro sports this is obvious. Like listen to any MLB or NFL player talking about their shit. They would call this baby stuff, they even went out for a meal instead of stuffing them as they walk out of the arena

[@adumbsnail1999]

Now I can see why Dom has been a pissed off little man for the past decade.

[@nope7200]

So this is how fenix and piglet came 😂😂😂

[@JustShotsForMeh]

From what I hear, Piglet came all over the keyboard.

[@cender301309]

i was at my peak fandom at this point and seeing you and voy lose sucked bad. ngl i still am upset that bunny wasnt the support and 100% hated that voy left after this.

[@0ater]

16:56 this type of stuff is why old league was so good man. "You gotta play hyphy" these NA players back in 2010-2014 were awesome man, total bros, anyone who remembers that era knows how cool TSM, CLG, DIG and CRS were, even C9 when they came around, all the streamers were fun to watch (Dyrus, Scarra, Voyboy etc) and the LCS for the first 2-3 years was hard not to watch every week with how fresh and exciting it still was. Never stop playing hyphy and having fun in whatever game you're playing out there.

[@YouGrim]

Sounds like Steve didn’t want Voy on the team

[@asjoalsjka]

And before Dominic had a chance to play with Piglet, he said "I don't want to play with Piglet next year".

[@dougeyfresh]

Esports being a relatively young industry leads to a lot of people with gaming experience, but no management experience, climbing the ranks of these orgs. I'm not saying it's wrong, because you wouldn't want a retail store manager to come in and manage your team, but it certainly leads to some interesting interactions between managers and employees.

[@Plamler]

I mean shit you might want a retail manager if he is juggling 30 different personalities and having to figure out how to get these people who might even hate each other to look normal for customers. Idk

[@Jon14141]

Indeed

[@NguyenNguyen-ve4gg]

now looking back. Im glad Dom still here with us

[@la9715]

The bud light battle royale

[@beekmanschaeffer5189]

the early league of legends scene was simply gold rushin businessmen and innocent geniuses going head to head every day

[@Jon14141]

Perhaps

[@smasherlol351]

And the piglet was a mistake

[@Skindred727]

god damn piglet was such an annoying little emo

[@dhekwucieoejduf]

Piglet was the only decent player on the team. Rest were 4th rate trash. funny how Dom gets a microphone and now everyone forgets how shit his team was outside of piglet. cop was known as the worst player in the region. dude was a complete dog as ADC.

[@smasherlol351]

@@dhekwucieoejduf have you seen the videos of piglet where he picked Rammus and him acting like a 13 year old and rest of the team had to beg him to play. Or are you piglet's fanboy or something?

[@momoaa]

@@smasherlol351 id be seething too if i was stuck playing with dom on team curse lmaoo

[@jogabonito5027]

​@smasherlol351 How Piglet acted outside of the game doesn't change the fact that he clearly was the best player on the team. He was also the best performing ADC in LCS when playing in liquid if you look at the stats.

[@bladesofglory100]

Given the context of Voyboy retiring and his mental health blowing up, this is just brutal to hear. Really bums me out as a TL fan as you and Voy are the reason I'm a TL fan

[@KindredW]

Steve is insane 😭😭

[@adamdecoder1]

I would love Steve to react to this story as a more experienced manager and try to explain his thought process... this is just crazy

[@dwylie83]

Xpecial talking shit is always gonna be funny to me looking back at all those tsm games where he literally made 1v3 for wildturtle

[@d04lvallier]

And then karma got Steve by getting Dardoch lmao

[@NezumiGG]

Fucked up situation but thinking about how it’s real is just too funny for me to think about

[@strider-pubgmobile757]

dude your story telling is captivating. Keep it up

[@chrissanchez3884]

Insane story. thank you for sharing with the community 🙏

[@Magicmammoth934]

How was this question not asked 1 on 1 or in an email or written form? Who has this conversation face to face?

[@Wyland42]

This sounds like what doublelift said CLG did about writting essays to keep their job lmao

[@markfearns8535]

Cop got 'for the watch'ed

[@reptileescape3619]

I’m remember old Quas, such a beast. Many top laners feared him, in pro and solo q

[@kipz]

i am so happy to hear no one wanted to play with cop i have no idea how his career lasted so long

[@shengburger2484]

The real question is, would you rather play with cop or piglet 😂

[@JustShotsForMeh]

"Is AD that important, when you think about it? We could be the first 4-man team. "

[@sangster49]

As a business the person who brings in the most money should get paid the most. It doesn't even have to be the best player.

[@armin6067]

Saint sounds so chill

[@AppleMouth]

I still don't get why riot allowed a full Chinese team to just strong arm their way into NA LCS. Felt good to see Dyrus get that pop off moment against LMQ lomo

[@kimpeater1]

They were invited bc NA wantes to play against the best.. turns out NA is the worst region in the world lol... Never won a single World's Championship is 15+ years...

[@aylmao8723]

No invites, Lmq played the whole challenger series to qualify legitimately within riot's rules, although crushing the competition of course, this was also before LCS had any rules about foreign players etc

[@foobar-qwerty]

@@kimpeater1 The West has never won a LoL World Championship, NA + EU are completely awful

[@kimpeater1]

@@foobar-qwerty Fnatic won the first World's

[@CVCandidaturas]

@@foobar-qwerty fnatic won worlds season 1 and eu has 4 finals (both season 1 teams were eu)

[@ontello8628]

I love how they dropped a guy because he was better than them in solo queue and opted to play CS like a gigachad while the rest of the dorks caught up in rank.

[@FrogPondering]

In that Steve/Dardoch video IWD literally says "I could never disrespect someone to their face that didn't deserve it", in reference to Steve, but now this video's out? Why wasn't this Steve discussion a thing when that went down? Why was it just pushed on Dardoch?

[@Alquin2]

Bro imagine doing this in a "normal" job. Just sitting at a table while your co-workers vote on whether to work with you for another year. This is so bad

[@sharpieman2035]

Cop getting voted off the island like that is rough

[@x2lazy2die]

in an alternate universe if dom wasn't a backstabber, he could've kept playing with cop and avoided piglet lol jk, every1 hates a group project and theres always that 1 guy that doesn't pull their weight

[@GEM4sta]

Cop wasn't very good though, piglet was just a mistake.

[@Gurpreet-sv5zg]

@@GEM4sta Same as dom hence he got replaced.

[@x2lazy2die]

its all a joke guys. cop was underpowering while not putting in time. its obviously correct to replace him but dom was still performing quite well when he retired. just that he had a bigger/safer paycheck with streaming. if the paychecks with LCS was as big as they are now then we seen the old man fall off

[@CVCandidaturas]

@@Gurpreet-sv5zg dom retired, he didn´t get fired or kicked, different things.

[@Gurpreet-sv5zg]

@CVCandidaturas He was getting replaced by dardoch before they even got eliminated to clg.

[@EdibleGlue369]

Holy shit what a management disaster. Bro stole that strat from recess dodgeball💀

[@KingCasper_]

Dom not taking cred for being one of the most threating junglers in that era of esports is crazy imo lol

[@saviorofs0ng]

Winterfox also couldn't have been more of a dumpster fire lmao poor Pob

[@billiondollardong]

Hiding how much money we make from each other has got to be one of the stupidest fucking customs ever

[@icykangaroo]

Soo karma really came back to fuck Xpecial and Steve in the form of Piglet and later on Dardoch/ Loco. Kinda shitty to hear that they were disrespecting the Kid as a long time Curse/ TL fan

[@yamol32891]

I don't get it. You guys voted to keep voyboy but then he got replaced by fenix? Is it because he was they wanted to save money because they paid him so much?

[@sharpieman2035]

He said Voy left, so presumably Curse had no choice in the matter

[@olorin3815]

He probably just didnt wanna play anymore when you had a teammate that doesnt respect you and wants to play with you even tho you are best on the team then you have a guy outing your salary and trying to rile other guys up because he doesnt wanna pay it to you even tho you put more work than anyone else and have to spend 50h streamin

[@paul_bellini]

Look at the crowd. damn.

[@RomnysGonzalez]

It's ok. Junglers deserves less But how crazy is how they decided who is gonna be on the team next season. How can a player said NO on that situation without destroying the morale and trust of the team?

[@kappamaster7179]

I don't get it, isn't it normal in a sport team that different players get different salaries?

[@Velereonics]

Were your living expenses covered by the team? Iirc you COULD choose to live outside a team house but didnt have to, in which case you were making equivalent to something more like 65k. Still pretty dog money in LA but not horrible.

[@nickalexander5850]

Yes, he's said many times they didn't need to pay for any living expenses/transportation so it was a decent wage at the time.

[@rotcoke652]

Wait they were for real paying players 3-4k a month in season 5? It's a good thing they gave you a house to live in cause you can't even survive on that much a month in LA.

[@smasherlol351]

@@rotcoke652 because it is LA and they were teenagers.

[@madsursin]

Dude they had zero expenses.

[@GothPaoki]

This is still a very good salary considering there's much less inflation back then and also they have housing for free. So i don't know wtf you're saying

[@wwjccsd]

You think teams were making money back then? This was before venture capital (VC) so there wasn’t free money and the riot stipend was low compared to the inflated salary era (

[@YoSuey]

They have no expenses outside hygiene care and personal effects. Each team has a cook, maid service, and benefits.

[@JunnoStromboli]

Breaking point ZERO

[@JonahJdawg]

Esports leadership has to be the worst I’ve ever heard of

[@MatiasTitanico]

u need to add tw chat on the video too bro....

[@veo16]

Well, this story took too long to break. Ten years too late. Now Steve is firmly situated as an esports executive instead of being laughed out at the start. Owners like this are the reason esports has had such difficulty getting a foothold. Even stories of how shitty Reginald was only began making rounds a decade after the stories should have surfaced.

[@dschulaybalde1377]

Bro is talking about the Arena like its Lanxess in Cologne xd

[@mtra5812]

damn I remember watching that series lol

[@EbrahimShabahang-ij2pn]

Omg even hearing it was hard 😬😳😐

[@apblolol]

I thought Cop was good at not dying and that Voyboy had the most volatile gameplay in the league. It was so strange that Cop seen as more valuable with such a low death% stat,

[@emzx0076]

So much yappin holy

[@user3lskq3]

this is some clg hotshotgg management

[@CVCandidaturas]

asks for cop to be kicked, gets piglet, the karma is real

[@NotAnIlluminatiSpy]

I'm still part way through... But Xspecial was not good, and it's nuts that he would diss Voy like that.

[@emangonzi]

wondering what the other team salary.

[@muzzletov]

thats 5 figures, trust, its a big difference

[@Zevrael]

Who thought it was a good idea to have this kind of discussion outside of a 1-on-1 setting, where Steve would talk to every player (and I guess Mark) individually. Maybe he was hoping you would all choose to still play with each other and this would infuse the team with some confidence after that loss, but that's kind of naïve imo.

[@sharpieman2035]

“Teams used to have fans” I haven’t been following LoL, is that not the case anymore?

[@nathanspreitzer6738]

How horrible can a management be XD

[@christophermauro-barias7451]

and now Liquid is the most successful org in the LCS. turns out this version of Liquid was horrible.

[@oxzey2436]

I fucking miss voyboy

[@sampreece]

I don’t. Dude cancelled himself for being a sociopathic manipulator.

[@travisskeans2511]

​@@sampreecetrue

[@remotetechie6910]

holy s. I thought you guys were making 100-200k

[@mjd3879]

Damn I thought Steve was cool, why was he throwing Voyboy under the bus with this shit?

[@codyadkins2692]

This is such a horrible story to listen to How can you picture any positive outcomes from this conversation unless everyone says yes

[@oftenunlucky4807]

wheres the piglet hate? hello?

[@dwylie83]

What can I pick so we can win this game? Definitely not alkali it didn't fit voy couldn't play it and it did lose yall the game almost any midlaner would have been better

[@rockdalianninja1056]

Losing voy broke my heart.

[@sean21487]

All this tells me Steve was a terrible executive, this and dardoch ?

[@AdamSophia-b6j]

340 Ratke Camp

[@thestoebz]

That’s one of the worst team meetings I’ve ever heard lol. I used to manage hundreds of drivers, I can’t imagine doing that to them. Good way to kill morale

[@Derperfier]

Damn….

[@nope7200]

Announcing salaries in front of others is messed up

[@anotherpolo1143]

It is a very important thing that you have the right to share. You think esports should be different when physical sports have news reporting on contracts? The manner they did it was weird but the salary thing was whatever. The other comments and "do you wanna play with" stuff was wayyyyy more awkward

[@speedfx7989]

This is probably why NA scene never makes it anywhere. It's all about money and the passion gets eventually tainted by it. Regardless if the player doesn't care about the money, they manage to somehow make you take from the bag, or dissapear cause of the bag always being the elphant in the room.

[@peppercorn1553]

It's better now, mostly cause management involves players that actually went through competitive vs. people running it like a business

[@143tg]

I mean you can ask any current pro player their opinion on it but like 8-9/10 players will tell you most pros are really just in it for the money not because they just really like LoL lmao. Its not just an NA problem but alot of the problems come out of the na scene

[@wwekings9505]

@@143tgthat also same thing for sport in general, like look at the nba, when they start getting generation money, they just get lazy, and with current leauge the average Na pro get prob 6 figure

[@Chris-ih4hj]

I won’t play with iwilldom noob jungler

[@tmastodon8174]

This is a great example of why you shouldnt go into gaming / streaming to make money... even at 9k a month, thats terrible money.

[@dwylie83]

Youre selling yourself majorly short my guy. Maybe not the best but top 3 or 4 na. Voyboy was bottom teir in mid at least on stage. Your biggest problem seemed to be tilting if you made a bad play it always seemed like youd either go hard and make more mistakes or youd become passive. I havent watched that team in forever and the only games i remember are basically you dragging 4 deadweights around and winning regardless

[@famip3679]

Was Voyboy the creep or Krepo

[@lsmsm9]

hashinshin

[@jaketerpening3284]

Krepo. Voyboy got cancelled because he called out Hashshinshin for grooming a minor, Hashinshin admitted it, then the FBI couldn't do anything about it because the person was international so Hashinshin said Voyboy gaslit him into admitting it and that he was innocent.

[@sampreece]

@@lsmsm9 Who’s the cancelled one?

[@sampreece]

@@jaketerpening3284 Lol, you copers are deranged. If voyboy was innocent he’d still have his career.

[@goodnighttu]

Telling the public how much your friends are making for a KZbin video is kinda toxic even tho it’s kinda public information

[@RueRyuzaki6]

I wonder what cop does these days

[@MotorKoiKarpfen]

Hes coaching nrg i think

[@Sam-m6o3j]

Now he makes less money than Hashinshin.

[@sigfredmessick]

I don't think so, he has a team still sponsoring , plus gets other sponsorships time to time(genshin recently)

[@reformed827]

that's normal, there are a lot of creeps and pedos everywhere

[@Vexinz]

Lmfao, even if you're doing your hardest glazing him, you and everyone else know this is straight up untrue

[@ISesseriI]

PEDO DEFENDER SPOTTED, DO NOT INTERACT WITH PEDO DEFENDERS

[@ParfaitPrincess]

Pedshinshin fan 💀

[@pedroperro4991]

Whats crazy is that this dude still in his mind thinks he was good. The ego on this dude rofl. Anyone that watched league at the time knows Dom was the most mid player ever.

[@coybackus7665]

2 things you never do on a paid team or at your job: publicly shame employees or coworkers, and you never talk about what you're paid to your coworkers. Steve sounds kind of stupid from Dom's account here.

[@swordlessfish2203]

Not talking about what you're being paid for your job to your co-workers is what corporations want you to do. Sharing your wage is a protected right in the USA, and it's illegal for a company to make rules against it.

[@aydjent]

You should absolutely talk about what you're paid to your coworkers. Pay transparency is only a positive for labor

[@coybackus7665]

​@@aydjent i'll meet you halfway. in some instances, it can be good. i prefer a more individual approach. In this isolated instance, Steve just manipulated his roster to align with him by revealing that information when he wanted a cheaper mid.

[@aydjent]

@@coybackus7665 sure, you should probably not do it in public or a group. And you should probably ask if the subject is okay with them to talk about... "hey, I've been doing some thinking about the pay we get for our work. Would you mind if we talked about it?". But encouraging workers to not even bring it up to each other is bourgeouise behavior and we should help each other out by discussing wages. It's the only way for people to know if they're screwed

[@Jothaxify]

Big difference between you and your coworkers sharing how much they earn in a casual/friendly environment if they want to and your BOSS holding a MEETING where they announce everyone's salaries. That's messed up.

[@hiduzzy]

lol well ngl you seem like someone who would be extremely hard to work with, not surprised someone more pleasant would be getting paid more..