How I Zero My Red Dot On My Pistol

[@Ureyeuh]

So I found you through John at ASP, and I gotta say, you're the most straightforward, ego-less, normal instructor I think I've come across. No tough guy nonsense, no clear push to be macho, etc. I really dig it. This will help me a lot with zero'ing my red dot. I'm horrible with this.

[@ModernSamuraiProject]

AKeyboard Warrior I appreciate that my friend.

[@VState60]

@@ModernSamuraiProjectthose are all great qualities and, while I agree, how do you expect anyone who owns two brain cells to rub together, that your student would be hitting a foot low in your insane example? I believe you’re just copying a coach who knows what they’re talking about and is educating folks about dots on a rifle, and not realizing that there’s a massive difference between rifle and pistol. Awaiting your answer and prepping for your ‘just relax dude and off-hand it at 10 yards!’ response. 🎉🎉

[@Yabbaddabbaddoo]

Hope you found a real instructor at this point

[@lovermeindustries]

Best video quote ever: "I can't see shit at 25"...keep it real!!

[@Big88Country]

Thank you for your time and tips! Really wish I would have found you sooner on here! Really appreciate your no nonsense approach!

[@fmxmyway]

Real world red dot sighting in is the heat! Thanks Jedi!

[@ayjmedia]

Thanks for all the help with the videos and tutorials. I try to catch any video on YT that comes up in your course and I learn so much. It's hard to get into your classes at the moment but I hope to get in one next year.

[@bull2808]

Basically just did this. 25 yards seemed excessive for me. I did test and reconfirm after initial zero...and I used the carry ammo I use to do the zero, not range ammo. They both seemed to be close enough. Carry ammo ( Federal HST 147) is spot on and range ammo (Federal 115 American Eagle FMJ) was close enough.

[@ronejr766]

Question.. Why 115 instead of 147, like what you carry?

[@jeffpraterJSF]

@@ronejr766115gr is $1 cheaper per box

[@theebigda]

I have a brand new FN 502 (22LR) with a Vortex Red Dot that I'm going to zero in this weekend. It's my first time ever doing this. I've sighted in a rifle before, but never a pistol. Fingers crossed. Seems pretty straight forward though. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[@wellregulated8725]

“Put it in the middle of the brown and go.”

[@jacobowashington]

One of the most helpful videos for red dot shooters. Thanks!

[@countryfamilyalways7280]

The other unique thing about a 10 yard zero is its almost identical to an 85 yard zero and is right on at 10 yards also. Only real difference is at 100 yards the 10 zero is .1 inches lower then 85 yard zero at 100. This is with 9mm 124 grain HST. So with 85 or 10 yard zero the most you will be off from 0 to 100 yards is 2.3 inches. Check out Federals ballistic calculator as its all right there.

[@trailertrashtactics]

Make sure to Verify this rather than relying on ballistic calculators. I'm about 10" high at 70 with one pistol and much different with others.

[@countryfamilyalways7280]

@@trailertrashtactics well of course you would verify....

[@roberthaxton9887]

Good info. Going to zero my RMR on my VP9 tomorrow.

[@ramos5464]

People will always find something to bitch about. Thank you for the good info as always.

[@Bionic_man09]

After wasting about a thousand rounds I’m not sold on the rmr. For one, I can’t get a decent zero to save my life and my groupings are minute of barn door. When I switch back to an iron sight gun I’m drilling the x ring all day long

[@gunsandcommissions]

I’m just starting with dots (been shooting irons for 2.5 decades) and my experience was the exact opposite. I love the dot and I’m more accurate at 15 yards with it then I am at 7 with irons. And I’m a LOT faster. Like pretty easily mag dumping my Shadow Systems 19 into a 6” circle at 10 yards faster.

[@VState60]

@@gunsandcommissionsyou’re honest with yourself and without ego…stay the path, brother!

[@Jamaal0625]

Hopefully, you can come to California to do some classes!

[@small-town-southern-man3573]

I’d like someone to explain how the guy you mention at 1:20 zeroed for 25 yards and was a foot low at seven yards. That is physically impossible. The bullet is only an inch (ish) below the line of sight when it exits the bore. If it’s a foot low at seven yards, he’s got real problems, or magic bullets. Most bullets, when they begin their descent, don’t swap directions and begin to rise.

[@hurpaderpp]

yea makes 0 sense. with 147gr and a 25 yard zero you should be .4 inches low at 7 yards

[@VState60]

@@hurpaderppthis video (and channel) is for idiots only. Pay no attention, shooter.

[@Yabbaddabbaddoo]

I’ll tell you how that happens. You have a retard like Scott who knows nothing trying to preach firearms knowledge. The truth is, 7-25 yard zero you probably won’t notice a much of a difference other than left and right deviation

[@rl2862]

“That’s how it works” Source: trust me bro

[@Yabbaddabbaddoo]

@@rl2862 Scott’s entire teaching philosophy. 0% knowledge, 100% arrogance

[@LoveLikeaHurricane]

did you mean 1/4inch high at 15 yard, and 3/4 inch at 25 yard? I was thinking the bullet would still rise at those distance with 10 yard zero.

[@ghostinthemachine88]

Nice take. All good things to consider. Cheers!

[@LookingIntently]

I have a CZ PCR with a Delta Pro coming from Cajun Custom tomorrow. I'll be zeroing it this weekend. Thanks for the video.

[@c-note4146]

Is there a video you’ve made discussing the relationship between stigmatism of the eye and the effects that has on the clarity of the dot?

[@jerrymoore7454]

Any tips for zeroing a red dot that will be a suppressor host?

[@jeffw.5462]

Very practical, a breath of fresh air. Thanks!

[@douglassalley9117]

Mr. "J". I just read were you will have a 2 day class near me!! $500.00 isn't much more then 1K of ammo. On Oct. 11-12 you'll be in Gulfport MS. I was born there and I live in the Mobile AL area now. (just a 2 hour or less drive. I drive that far just to play the casinos! lol) In the description of the course you say we need to bring 1K rounds. Is that all self defense rounds or will range rounds be OK? I think I heard on one of your videos that you zero with carry ammo. I have the money...the hard part is being away from my companion for that long. She has MS and doesn't drive, besides we only have one car anyway. I'll work it out. I have butterflies in my stomach just thinking I will be taken a class from you or some of your crew!! I'm 73 and been shooting RDS for about two years now. I'm effective, tactfully as my instructor/friend would say, and in the little locale range matches, I'm pretty good at not shooting the hostage, lol.

[@rodralig]

Quick question (as I was unclear) - you said that at 25-yards, the bullet is hitting 1-inch low. If so, why aim at the bottom of the head A-zine to hit the middle of the box? Thanks!

[@ModernSamuraiProject]

Alfred Rodriguez I may have misspoken. It will hit 1 inch or so high. .

[@rodralig]

@@ModernSamuraiProject Ok, that would make sense. I have zeroed my CO at 25-yards; I will re-evaluate at 10-yards, and see how it goes. Thank you for the response.

[@saiyanneo469]

@@ModernSamuraiProject thanks for the clarification. I had the same question, but figured I look in the comments first before asking. Lol.

[@NEWYORK577]

Thanks so much much for that I needed that straight forward

[@frankanusky3095]

Wow i learn so much from your video's Thanks!! I love my red dot even more now..

[@setarjunjason8991]

your video, you trynto recall since Sep 2020, until today's what you remember?

[@brianshuler6951]

I have just started watching you and have just gotten my first red dot. My short history with it is the sight has to be canted downward 30⁰ and right 10⁰ just to get the dot on the glass. At this angle, the bottom half of the sight window is blocked from view by the rear face of the sight housing. After adjusting to maximum up and left, the point of inpact at 3 yards is 5"-6" low and 2"-3" right. I sent it back to the manufacturer and they responded that it was "fine", "in specs", they did nothing, and returned it. Last week I remounted the "inspected" site and the substantially obscured site window and points of impact are exactly the same as before I sent it in. If I had limitless adjustment range, I could zero it. I believe the emitter is projecting the dot incorrectly. I know I am a novice with red dots, but, is there a better way to descrbe the situation to the service department so they will actually test and fix it?

[@PauIyM]

quit limp wristing your gun

[@markdavidson1049]

@@PauIyM That has nothing to do with his issue.

[@nicholasnarvaez2587]

Honestly I would just get another red dot.

[@NE-MTBR]

@modern samurai project my question is do you co-witness ?? This video doesn’t mention it??? Btw: Love this video thanks for making it

[@normburke7774]

I’m a newbie to the competition shooting world in 🇨🇦 and enjoy it tremendously to me it’s the most fun you can have with you pants on lol, I’ve recently installed a 🔴 and have been struggling to get used to it and getting it zeroed in, I’m gonna head to the range and try this out thanks for the info

[@Intellistan]

Awesome. Much, much better than the other long winded, fast talking, overdone videos on the same topic.

[@36roko]

Hi Scott, I want to take your class in North Carolina on March 2023, but it has a pre-requisite of taken a class on red zero torture. How can I take care of this? what do you recommend me?

[@ModernSamuraiProject]

Not a class just get a good score on the drill

[@36roko]

@@ModernSamuraiProject perfect! i will try to enroll in the class ( my mistake it's on April not March) thank you very much!

[@Overlandingtruckie]

Great advice Jedi!!!!thanks brother.

[@gerryc1982]

Hi, do you use the iron sights to zero the red dot? Do you have any video on the actual process? Not sure if my question makes sense. Sorry.

[@ModernSamuraiProject]

Nope. They are two separate sighting systems.

[@Duda4711]

How is it possible to hit one foot below POA at 7 yds when zeroed at 25 yds? Two possibilities, either his height over bore is over one foot (not likely) or he/she doesn’t know how to shoot.

[@ModernSamuraiProject]

He was probably embellishing. That said I am pretty sure Caleb Giddings can shoot.

[@ThePatriotParadox]

JetLinsky05 was the Agency discount code? Wonder if it still works 🤔

[@misternobody1933]

You are 100% right!

[@TheBigpappa160]

Nice, I just learned more from your 8 min video than I have watching 3 other 12 min or longer video. Any chance you will be teaching any classes in Alabama?

[@billf9847]

So, although this was six years ago, when you put this out, hopefully you’ll see this or someone could answer this. I’ve heard that the lazy man’s way initially before you really get out to the range to get the dot at least on target and within center mass or within that center area of the body, you can lollipop as I was told or slave, the red dot to the top of your front side so it looks like a little head sitting on the body kind of thing is that true just to get it dialed in before you get out of the range and a general Area of focus I guess without truly doing the 10 yards initially so the clarify slaving the red dot to the front side initially just for argument sake is that OK slaving it you want to get out there and fire and so you know exactly where it’s going, but is there anything wrong with slaving it initially to kind of get you in the ballparkand we’re talking not more than 10 yards that you would be probably focused on anyway

[@RobG-KD9YBZ]

I don’t know if you’ve answered this before, but you mentioned in the video you zero by shooting off hand. Why off hand instead of dominant hand supported?

[@ModernSamuraiProject]

Off hand means without a bench.

[@RobG-KD9YBZ]

@@ModernSamuraiProject ah got it. My brain wasn’t working that out.

[@vicabramov8983]

I kinda suck at weak hand shooting. My finger knuckles were broken in my youth and the trigger fingers is deformed a bit. Could I still do this process - just strong hand alone ?

[@inlandbhsk8r]

When he says off-hand, he’s meaning standing and shooting with a normal grip, not using a bench, or anything to stabilize your weapon, not your non-dominant hand. Hope that helps.

[@ejh66]

Great info. I too zero at 10 yards.

[@ckholiness]

So right out of the box, you’re not using the iron sights for a reference or just not at all? Put the dot on target and then adjust accordingly ?

[@donlocke64]

i have astigmatism in my right eye, (dominant eye ) do you have any knowledge of 1 red dot being better than another with astigmatism, also with my left eye i see the dot perfectly, can you you aim and shoot effectively with non dominant eye, thanks

[@EloEast]

Don’t look at the dot. Focus on target. No more blurry dot.

[@normburke7774]

Well at the range set her up like you said and holly shit did that work awesome wish I would have watched your video 1200 rounds ago I was almost ready to chucked that 🔴 in the garbage, but everything fell into place and made total sense THANKS

[@GIO_RUBBLE]

thanks for the tips i just bought a rmr07 my eyes are old...... i'll give it a whirl!

[@zackiinu7194]

LOOWB RUBBLE Hi Loowb. How’s the rmr07 working for you? I’m just curious because I’m having my slide milled right now and having the same rmr installed. At 58, my eyes aren’t what they used to be either. Thanks.

[@KeyboardG23]

Scott I’m out here in AZ just wondering if you teach any red dot 🔴 courses???

[@ModernSamuraiProject]

G Pizarro March in Prescott

[@michaelborski2373]

Gotta do it tomorrow for my new piece. Thank you

[@TerminalM193]

I never understood the worship behind the 25y zero..... 10 yards is perfect.

[@JEJAK_777]

Good info Jedi!

[@ucs1911]

That was helpful. Thanks 🤘

[@roberthernandez142]

I am having my M&P milled for the Holosun 507C and I have been watching your videos which make a lot of sense compared to others I'v seen. I would like to take one of your classes how do I find one in Arizona? Thanks

[@ModernSamuraiProject]

Robert Hernandez go to MODERNSAMURAI Project.com

[@ABiblicalView]

I zeroed at 25yrd and inside of 25 I haven't notice any hold over worth mentioning.

[@ModernSamuraiProject]

Cool. Shoot a 1 inch square at 5 yards and tell me if you hit the center.

[@ABiblicalView]

@@ModernSamuraiProject I just did and hit a one inch circle twice from 5yrds with a 25yrd zero, uploaded the results. BTW, love your videos, they've been a great help to many of us. Hopefully I get to take one of your classes.

[@ABiblicalView]

@@ModernSamuraiProject the shots were maybe 1/4-1/2 low of the point of aim, which was center.

[@osaze61]

A-way seems to be the simplest way....thank u

[@ABiblicalView]

I zero at 25yrd because that's the range where precision would be more needed imo

[@gunsngearchannel]

So just curious. Why off hand? Great info and great video. Thanks.

[@ModernSamuraiProject]

Less work. No need to get a chair and rest or a bench or whatever.

[@robbie154]

10 yards makes so much more practical sense. Most CCW shootings and law enforcement shootings are within 7. 25 yard zeros are dick size contests.

[@terryholloway9930]

Thanks good info

[@patrickcreamer9947]

Which Leupold DPP would you put on a pistol. The dot or the delta?

[@ModernSamuraiProject]

Patrick Creamer Dot all day long

[@douglassalley9117]

I understand zeroing 10 yards. That is wear I had my zeroed at. But, doing it free standing? Many times my trigger finger doesn't do what it's suppose to do!!!..lol, but I'll try it when I get my Smith 2.0 back from local gunsmith. He's milling my slide for a 507C. I've had it on the back of my slide for about 4 months. He talked me into getting off the fence and "get it done".

[@shootersara]

Just the video I needed!

[@TheSquirrelE]

Awesome info. Thanks!

[@anthonybmwsoldat1530]

6 is cheaper! love that!!! thank you Sir!

[@christiansands7172]

I live in Tampa Florida sooo it's becoming a debate getting one based on rain and humidity

[@saiyanneo469]

I'm in the same state in similar climate and nothing cat crap or rain-x anti fog can't fix.

[@marryellen7713]

First off, I would like an on / off switch. When I am going to carry. I would turn it on before I lieve. Having the sight on while on my shelf is a dead battery to me. The sight is no good if the battery dies. The auto on would be additionally good feature. My first red dot is on a Sig Mosquito. Could not get a fair trial. The Sig failed every mag. Even after returning it to Sig two times at my expense, $80.00 each. I now have a Canak 9mm. First problem is finding the dot. Iron sights you have an immediate reference. You are looking down the slide and immediately Aline the sights. I also had a (maybe still have) adjusting the sight alignment. They put a slot alignment and locking screws. Very tiny. I could not find a screw driver small enough. The one I thought was small was only rubbing on the fixture around the screw and moving the adjustment screw. I was getting frustrated with my shot pattern being off. Finally I called Vortex. They sent an adjustment kit (free). Then it was not working right. I just could not get it right. I used a barrel laser alignment tool. I could see where I was moving the dot. I have only shot a couple of IDPA matches to be confident with my adjustment. When I talked to "Vortex". I suggested they replace the slotted screw with Allen screws. Much easier to a-line Allen wrench than a slot screwdriver. His comment was like it fell upon deaf ear. The battery kept dropping out as I attempted to mount the red dot on the mounting plate. I used transparent packaging tape to hold it in place. Worked great. I just cut the excess off after mounting and securing it. One thing the RED DOT and laser pointing dot showed me. I was shaking more than I realized. I am 76 and not a exercise person. I just started working my arms with weights and my fingers with a 7 lb "Cando Digi-flex" finger grip exerciser.

[@ModernSamuraiProject]

Marry Ellen How do you write 6 paragraphs and not say a single thing that is useful?

[@marryellen7713]

Well this the same comment I thought about your video. 8+ minutes of babble. @@ModernSamuraiProject

[@ModernSamuraiProject]

Marry Ellen Cool. Keep doing what your doing and not getting better.

[@asdfghjk2933]

If you're still into red dots, look into a Holosun or an RMR. Both have several YEARS worth of battery life, so you never have to worry about turning the optic on or off. Holosun also has an auto shut off feature, so realistically you will be getting over 5 years of life out of a single battery.

[@gunsandcommissions]

@@ModernSamuraiProject Lmao

[@MrLanzac]

I wish they had a pvc patch of the logo at the front of the video

[@MrLanzac]

Edit I guess they do looking over Jedis soldier....how do I get one?

[@Quality_Guru]

Great Intel!

[@onoes9646]

Huh, didn't think that jacked up windage at 25 (but not at 10) could be due to ammo rather than shooter error.

[@bretmcgough172]

Very helpful. Thank you.

[@clvortex92]

Why off hand zeroing??

[@billdrill22]

Helps. Thank you.

[@ThePatriotParadox]

Btw I collect patches, absolutely love TMS patch!

[@TheSquirrelE]

Great info! I'm new to red dot optics and this is a great info vid. Thanks!!!

[@setarjunjason8991]

Bcos that day, we were all awaiting for non-confident vote inside parliament House, but afternoon since recently we realize 48 ran and asked refuge with me, o allowed, but didn't know the balance were killed inside parliament.

[@jpipaj]

Great info

[@Chris-ey6rn]

My opinion might be stupid on a old video but why would you want to shoot a pistol at 25 yards to begin with . That’s a long ass ways away . Maybe I’m just blind and lazy . Probably both, but at that point I’m going for something with a scope . 10 yards (30 feet) plenty

[@Epilogue_x]

Hello Scott. I recently zeroed my RMR at 10 yards (glock 19). But I found that my dot actually significantly dips below my 1/3 co-witness sights (rear sight behind optic). It means that when I shoot with the dot, I actually tilt my gun up and my rear sight lines up with the base of the front sight blade. Is this normal?

[@mikel9162]

Sir, I can tell you for a fact, if zero at 20-25 yards results in a foot low at 7-10 yards, your barrel indexing, (Lock up) is completely out of spec. It should be apx. 3 inches. Not trying to challenge your experience, however, you are not quite understanding the mechanical workings of barrel to slide/frame alignment. you have a problem with your gun. Period. the difference in poi should be, at the velocities or the 9mm, not much more than the difference in height of the center of the red dot above the centerline of the bore. this is the offset. and is an industrial standard to sight for the difference. This offset is one of the biggest reasons to strive for the lowest mounting of the sight as possible. The higher the centerline of the sight, the more severe the offset. KnifeMaker

[@ModernSamuraiProject]

Mike L If you listen again I said someone reach out to me and told me his gun did that. Was he embellishing? Absolutely. At 7 yards you will probably have a .5 inch drop with a 25 yard zero.

[@mikel9162]

My apologies. When I heard the first statement, I shut it down. Never heard anything else. Knife

[@HeiniSauerkraut]

If your friend zeroed his RDS at 25 yrs, he should by no way a ft low. His max a bit less the distance between the dot and his muzzle. This would be about an inch low.

[@scdave100]

Good vid Scott!

[@timpetrillo2802]

I would like your thoughts on having the rear iron sights in front of the dot, instead of behind it, and also do you zero with carry ammo or training ammo?

[@ModernSamuraiProject]

Tim Petrillo Don’t really care. Personal preference. With target focus I don’t see my irons. I zero with my carry but my training ammo prints the same.

[@kristinastackhouse270]

So helpful!

[@lalalala3968]

This guy know his shit.

[@VState60]

No ma’am 🎉🎉

[@johnnyb8629]

When you say "off hand" your not meaning your non shooting hand right? like Im right handed so my "off hand" would be shooting with my left hand. You meant shoot standing instead of bench shooting, right?

[@ModernSamuraiProject]

Johnny B Correct

[@ramonbenitez4093]

Great thanks.

[@chrisbordeaux575]

Im gonna tell you what... I thought i was going to do the 25y zero. Well, almost 100 rounds later, i agree with Jedi. " i can't see shit." I get the 25y zero, but it is a very "humbling" experience when you try to confirm at "real" 25. And I can not do it. Not with my old eyes. 25 yards, that's a young man's game. I absolutely understand why the young riders call for that. Us old fuckers, well, not so much. It really sucks, getting old. You young riders will understand, one day. You want that 25-yard zero. Well, boys, go get it.its yours.

[@snprdog]

Appreciate it...helped me

[@setarjunjason8991]

Maybe 5th or 11th floor, A pure cyborg/ggk samurai lives, he just do work, to control yoirnearloernseniornpkr, yourself, and me both mneing MiM, so all hacked.

[@hurpaderpp]

25 yard zero is .4 inches low at 7 yards not a foot lol

[@SullyCortez]

@ModernSamuraiProject I did this with my Holosun507C on a milled Glock 19 Gen5 and at 10yrds holy shit I’ve never been more accurate. I just got a RDS because I’m legally blind without my glasses and I want to be able to make accurate shots should I lose them in a self defense encounter. This video and the one from Caleb(I think is how you spell it) of Gun Nuts Media seriously helped me so much. But I saw a video of some guys(Karl?) who had picked up a ransom rest and while they said yes you won’t ever be as accurate as the rest, the point of it is because your trigger control could suck ass and now your shots aren’t a few inches off they’re actually feet off at slightly farther distances & closeup dep on what distance you zero for. I’ve been watching all your videos and seriously your content and channel is absolutely amazing. Would love to get some training from you. Thank you so much for all the information.

[@mylesrickbeil1493]

Good info. Good use of Atreyu as well.

[@visionv]

Subed! Great stuff!

[@travisb2352]

need that hoodie!

[@trailertrashtactics]

10 yard for life

[@thekidd2117]

I recently saw a video about zeroing a red dot and/or laser that seemed like a better idea. You want the dot to be parallel to the barrel/point of impact of your bullet. Same with a laser if you’re running one. This way you never have to re-zero based on distance. You will always hit an inch below your dot if it’s parallel. That would be the case regardless of distance.

[@thomcad]

i gotta ask you to explain this more and maybe link to the vid because it makes no sense to me. The bullet will always start dropping the instant it leaves the barrel relative to a perfectly straight line drawn out the barrel. Whatever optic you are using starts out some distance above the barrel, so you have to sight in with the front sight a little proud, so the sight line and barrel line meet at some point. If you start at parallel then the point if impact will continue dropping with each yard you get further away from the target.

[@TerminalM193]

​@@thomcad Yea, I was going to ask the dude the same question.... I'm with you on this one, makes hardly.... If ANY sense...

[@redbankdefense]

​@rianaro88 makes no sense because he is totally incorrect. Bullets travel in an arc. A dot/laser doesn't. Not the right way to zero for sure.

[@teammosin9999]

Woot!

[@Moresco24]

Love your defensive outlook. Upclose threat 20 yards and in, just point and shoot

[@neilpoff4167]

volume

[@MichaelLeopold1]

Pearls

[@EQ541]

Laser bore sights. Period

[@SherraScott]

That'd be great if bullets traveled like a laser...but they travel in an arc.

[@bgib23451]

3 stars