How is Dating in EASTERN vs WESTERN Europe Different?

[@julialubitsch6716]

I'm Ukrainian living in Western Europe and I really miss these nice gestures like opening the door and helping with the heavy bags. I agree with Marina, this is something we are losing and it's sad.

[@Koshkinayekaterina]

It’s called being Russian

[@chrystianaw8256]

True

[@Koshkinayekaterina]

You are Russian

[@Arashenstein]

I grew up in the east as well and a few years ago I moved to Sweden for my new job and I am just so scared of "progressive" virus. If this is progressing I rather stay in the past. As a man I have zero interest in Swedish women, they don't even act like a woman. This equality mindset is so stupid and boring. Feminism has destroyed their society, men are bunch of wimps and girls just boss the world here. Opening a door or helping a lady is an insult in their culture.

[@tobiasphilippwittlinger8753]

Maybe you should date in Ukraine then.

[@jeng2336]

I see a lot of similarities from the Mexican culture and Eastern European. I live in Alaska where we had record-breaking snowfall. I was gone during the storms and returned to a snow mound that was my car. I started to shovel thinking it would be a 1 to 2 hour task, thank God my Mexican-American neighbor came out and jumped in right away to help. ❤

[@DatingBeyondBorders]

Yes! This is why I know so many Ukrainian and Russian girls in a relationship with Mexican guys (not vice versa though)

[@IcyCat-t9f]

That was just a common friendly help that has nothing to do with gender roles)

[@jeng2336]

@@IcyCat-t9f Not sure. There were several American guys that walked by and said a polite hello in passing but did not offer to help.

[@lifeonearth9261]

@@DatingBeyondBorders As a Mexican-American guy, I found some striking similarities in culture in Poland and Ukraine. I thought, "Finally, people who "get" it!" As for the snow mound, yeah, it's just a cultural norm to jump in and help. Car breaks down? Guys will jump in to help you push it, etc. It's somehow... just wrong... to ignore things like that. Haha.

[@erika4843]

@@DatingBeyondBorders AFAIK, Mexican girls are into American and Western European guys. Whereas Mexican guys are only into Eastern European girls (dunno on Asian girls). Pity that the other way around from both sides as I mentioned, doesn't exist.

[@luthienelvenprincess]

I'm Italian, my boyfriend is Ukrainian. I date to marry and I've noticed that in my country almost and I've noticed that about half of the youth in my country take part in the "hookup culture" or date a lot of people in order to get "experience". He only had a long relationship before me and he's very marriage and family oriented. He's quite protective of me. He always holds my hand when we walk together, tells me very often that he'll make sure I'm safe and that he won't let anyone hurt me, and he likes to give me presents even if I've told him I don't need them. We'll be moving in together before the end of the year if everything goes as planned, so fingers crossed!

[@MichelaRossini]

Hey, I am also an Italian woman married with an Ukrainian man, we have been together for 10 years now and we have 2 kids. Wanna chat? Imo Ukr men are the best, probably also other slavic men are great. The other Europeans are handsome bur are lost.

[@dmp1520]

lost how?@@MichelaRossini

[@MichelaRossini]

@@dmp1520 I have the impression that Ukrainian men still stick to traditional idea of manliness and still protect and provide while being also gallant (open doors, pass coat, hand kiss). Mine, at least, is so. Western men are more uncertain about their role.

[@danielwatcherofthelord1823]

Marry him! Marriage is a good thing a d we should want to learn to make the most intimate relationship we'll ever have work. You grow up in ways that unmarried people never will. It takes sacrifice and compromise and faith and its completely worth it. Don't wait around for your "soul mate"! We choose who are soul mate is simply by deciding on the person we give ourselves to. Love never fails if both people keep God at the center of the relationship

[@dmp1520]

What he seems to be interested in is a euro pension and welfare due to refugee status. Many are. If hes married then hes settled for life. Ukrainians other than banderites from galicia and lwow and the russians in south and eats very much care only about money and how to best survive so they have been seeking the " golden euroland ". Good luck! If hes honest and thruthfull good. If not be on your guard. Ciao.

[@yespls6260]

I'm an American woman and I recently traveled to Serbia. I wasn't offended in the least by the "chivalry" displayed by men there; if anything, I found it extremely sweet and sometimes flattering (even if it doesn't mean I'm special or something, haha). I'm a very "progressive" person politically and culturally, but I didn't feel like these gestures were necessarily "regressive". It struck me as extremely caring. I think at first I felt a little guilty or like I was burdening them with my heavy bags, but I quickly got over that and embraced it. I found it extremely attractive and charming.

[@michelleg7]

Its hard for some men to understand that and I appreciate the help when I can get it, it takes a burden off of me and i super appreciate those who step in to help.

[@tobiasphilippwittlinger8753]

Why did you go to Serbia?

[@mmecosmo]

In Serbia men still know and practice chivalry and they are not afraid to.

[@tobiasphilippwittlinger8753]

​@@mmecosmo As a Western man, I dont like the claim that chivalry is dead in the west. Manners matter and if some women see this as a form of victimnizing, they should be avoided.

[@mmecosmo]

@@tobiasphilippwittlinger8753 Where did I say that chivalry is dead in the West? Please learn how to read :) And please note that I don't care whether you like my comment or not :)

[@silveryfeather208]

Personally, as a Chinese-Canadian, I've seen traditions and i've seen progressiveness. That's ok. what i hate on both sides is hypocrisy. Want gender roles? Don't get mad when women want you to uphold your end when they do. (ie cook for you etc) Same with women. If men are paying for you, stop scoffing when he asks what you bring to the table. On the flip, if you call yourself a progressive women, stop asking for men to pay. If you are a man who is 'progressive' and think men shouldn't pay, stop asking women to cook/clean for you.

[@tobiasphilippwittlinger8753]

Good point I see it as you, hypocrisy in any context is so annoying, however my impression is that it is a big difference in Western Europe and North America. In the cities and metropoles of WE most people are on the left side of the political spectrum, some, as myself, are not but clearly a minority. To be progressive or conservative has more to do on how someone votes rather than gender roles. To be an excellent cook is a highly masculine trade and something to be proud of. To bake on the other hand is highly feminim and absolutely adorable thus cherished by all of society. The costs of living in the cities force both parents into the workplace anyway, so there are no stay at home mumes. Family obligations are shared because they have to, unless one is a two digit millionaire. I consider myselve on the right side of the political spectrum not because I want to be a provider, why should I work my a** off whilst my women is taking ,,care,, of the kids. Translation; have a walk in the park on a sunny monday afternoon and happily smoking while doing so...heck that (!), she has to work as I do and I want to spend time with the kids as much as she does. I am right wing because I stand for the nation, a free market economy, a small government and because I will go to war in order to protect but also to conquer. I also dont shame women for a high body count, except when it is a result of low self esteem, and dont expect them to be prude with their clothes. I only like cheeky and sexy women but they have to be cool and should not loose their nerves if things dont go as they want to. I do get your point though and I agree with you, just wanted to add some stuff:)

[@eedragonr]

One will do an investment if it is interested in the other for the future. On the other side the things are more clear.

[@montypython4ever]

Im very happy beeing in a relationship that because she is the one that earns most of us shee Pays when we go out and I Pay otherwise, she does most of the house work because she see s Washing and cooking as her job. Thats the best of bouth worlds. When I get a job where I earn more, she of cause expects Me to Pay more. And when we have kids she wants to stay home for the first 3 years.

[@eedragonr]

@@montypython4ever I think that you got it right. And she doesn't deserve a lot of social respect and gratitude for all that?

[@montypython4ever]

@@eedragonr respect from me yeah, respect from society i dont know.

[@801create2]

You're killing it with these videos thank you so much for this cultural insight.

[@DatingBeyondBorders]

Yay! Thanks!

[@publicminx]

as a German individual I offer help rather depending on the situation/context (less than on gender). Apart from that, I switch, (again depending on the situation/context/person) between all kind of roles, often just of being playful. Means, I could also just switch to a classical gentleman for a situation then continuing rather casual. acting individual is the key here, irrelevant weather it fits to certain stereotypes or not ...

[@Sky10811]

with eastern european women is very easy to understand the outcome of the date: if she strongly insists to split the bill, means she does not "see" you as a man for her. it means we are in friendship zone. if she does not even try to pay, or easily allow you to pay through this "ritual of who pays the bill negotiation" means she would be open to see you for another date again and perceive you as a man (does not mean that she clearly likes you, it simply means that she is open to explore in that direction)

[@MetallicReg]

In Germany you split the bill on average. Some women do not like to be paid for, because they see it as an obligation for sex.

[@Sky10811]

@MetallicReg those women need to visit psychologist. There is no any obligation for sex if someone bought you a coffee or a dinner. That s incredibly outdated way of thinking

[@greenytaddict]

Depending on where you are in the states, it is all over the place. Some women want to pay because they don't want to feel obligated to have sex or owe something or want to feel equal. Or if they don't want to see the guy again.Some women don't want to pay depending on if it it is a first date, traditional ideology of a man pays first or want a free meal. That's why I think it is important before going on a date to set expectations and not assume.

[@Sky10811]

@@greenytaddict i always pay if i do not want to see a man again. but if i want to see him again, i prefer not to pay, not to ruin romantics

[@eedragonr]

​@@MetallicRegyou really have cheap women

[@elyssaamilkar5258]

Indeed I found men in the Balkans and in Turkey very chivalrous, who wouldn't feel good to have a man holding your coat, giving you a lift until your door step to make sure that you'll be safe. Lately I've been also very much impressed and charmed by the chivalry of Russian men they showed a very respectful, sweet and genuine attitude toward me.

[@gotoshinohara5249]

As a western European girl in a relationship with an eastern European girl, I can't agree more with you about the "commitment" in a relationship when you date which is very strong in eastern Europe. When I had dating experiences in my country (France) I would ask my date what are they looking for after a couple of dates. While in Hungary it was more "of course it's for serious what are you insinuating?" Also the whole concept of bounding with someone, true love to contract something together is waaaay stronger there. Like having a couple of relationships and traveling for example or having fun is way less commun.

[@ramimbintybindu9840]

Exactly...

[@markrcca5329]

regarding restaurants. My wife is Russian, and I'm from Eastern Europe. We live in the U.S. One of my wife's friends is also Russian, and she earns a very decent amount of money. She can easily afford going to mid-priced restaurants with her friends, and pay for it herself. But in dating, she always looks for men who will take her to the most expensive restaurants where she normally would not afford to go. She says, "what's the point of a man if he takes me to the same restaurants I could go to myself"? I find this very annoying. Honestly, if the only point of a man is to pay for restaurant meals, then she should probably leave men alone! I would certainly not want to do anything with a woman like that. Thankfully my own wife is not like that..

[@MichelaRossini]

Western European women would certainly appreciate Eastern European men for what they are and not for what they offer, since modern western men are not romantic at all. So open a door for us and we are already half in love.

[@markrcca5329]

@@MichelaRossini I live in the U.S., and women here have a serious problem if their husbands decide to go out with their guy-friends and leave their wives at home with the children - unless it's a special occasion. In Russian and Eastern-European culture, this is perfectly normal and no special occasion is expected. I don't know how it is in Western Europe, since I never lived there.

[@MichelaRossini]

@@markrcca5329 leaving wives alone with kids often is abusive, especially if it happens frequently and is not reciprocicated. I have a Russian female friend who complains about her non Russian husband doing the same. Women are women everywhere.

[@XanderNN]

The part about "what's the point of a man if I could do it myself" is very much spot on, I hear similar stuff from Russian women all the time. I think it's pretty appaling, as such women don't even try to hide that they view men only as a source of material benefits.

[@markrcca5329]

@@XanderNN people seem to forget that relationships are about companionship. Material benefits have their place but should be secondary. If the relationship is mostly about the material benefits - it's not much of a relationship..

[@whitneyc.3257]

I’m colombian and I lived in the US for some time with a woman from Ukraine. We were shocked about the similarities in terms of dating in our countries even though they were so far away from each other. I used not to care about chivalry until I received my first bouquet of flowers and was treated with chivalry. It’s a beautiful feeling and it makes me feel loved and cared for. I recommend it 😁🥰

[@Frivals]

Stupid SIMPs everywhere

[@jmbpaz]

You recommend receiving flowers?

[@ConorClyneTsarExperience]

Solid video, Marina. 😁 I wouldn’t say that most women in Ukraine and Russia are really ‘traditional’. They’re less financially emancipated for sure and also put a bigger emphasis on their appearance (hence why obesity is not an issue for under 40s) as you say. However, divorce rates are sky high, fertility rates are super low, as are religiosity and virginity until marriage etc. So I’d say that they’re more ‘conservative’ than ‘traditional’. Also young Italian men cook better than young Ukrainian or Russian women in my experience. ✌🏻😁

[@Ed-xv4sy]

The Tsar is here. We all know why the divorce rates are so high there though? a little vodka and Igor goes kookoo

[@DatingBeyondBorders]

Thanks for sharing! You are definitely a pro on all things Eastern European

[@eedragonr]

Divorce and low fertility means a failure of conservatism to work

[@xWizardxRF]

​@@Ed-xv4sydude..what?😂

[@Frivals]

Exactly. in the past when men provided for females, those females were their slaves, obey to him and no divorce imaginable. The man was even allowed to kill his wife is found cheating on him. And females worked all day too, there was no washing machines etc. So nowadays there is zero, really zero, reasons why men should provide for females, on the contrary is stupid to provide for females with zero benefits.

[@steviewang4102]

As a country gets richer and more advanced, its culture generally also becomes more liberal and progressive. Once your material needs are met then you move on to improve social needs. If Eastern Europe reaches a compatible GDP per capita with Western Europe then their dating culture will definitely become more egalitarian.

[@alesialabocka1021]

The economics!

[@ТарасМакаренко-ф3ш]

No. We will see that Western Europe has taken a wrong turn and began to degenerate ugly, so we will not want to follow their path. Considering culture and economics interrelated is a sign of illiteracy and tunnel vision. In addition, for a very long time the cultural values of Western and Central Europe were the cultural values of the defeated Third Reich; it was fashionable to suppress any of its manifestations in the following decades. but we have no reason for self-oppression. We laugh at the cultural self-oppression of Westerners, and how they cover it up with "progressiveness".

[@viktorD4]

And it will be the end of European civilization. I live enough in EU that understand that Europe is dying . Money don't save you when you need fight. America's ready, East European ready, West European not.

[@mikexstad1121]

Exactly

[@DanyloZorin]

True

[@linanafie8571]

Your channel is by far one of my favourite!! I grew up in a household that was mixed between North Africa and Western Europe and I was happy to get a wider view on cultural differences and dating! If a guy pays for me at the end of the date I'm super happy and see it a huge green flag, but him not paying for me is not a red flag either as I am a very independent person and like to be able to not rely on anyone to keep myself together :)

[@DatingBeyondBorders]

Thank you!

[@eedragonr]

Very well. What everyone must understand is that he is paying his part and you are paying for yours the signal is that he will not make any investment for the future or he just can't afford to pay for two

[@Frivals]

🤨in the past when men provided for females, those females were their slaves, obey to him and no divorce imaginable. The man was even allowed to kill his wife is found cheating on him. And females worked all day too, there was no washing machines etc. So nowadays there is zero, really zero, reasons why men should provide for females, on the contrary is stupid to provide for females with zero benefits.

[@Alchemymelany]

I was born in Colombia and moved to the states when I was 11. I can definitely see huge similarities between Colombian culture and eastern Europe, it's really fascinating. I personally prefer the western Europe mindset like Netherlands where everyone is more or less equal, but at the same time I really appreciate chivalry.

[@DatingBeyondBorders]

For sure! Gender roles are approached very similarly

[@xpmedia8660]

Well, in all honesty. Women have generally married up in status regardless of culture and origin. So from the jump we're not equals. My wife who is Ukrainian acknowledges this. Now does is mean that in western Europe men aren't chivalrous? Not at all. But when my Latin friends moved to Europe my female friends were shocked about how the men didn't hold the door or cover the bill. So, if you want to be equal be prepared for equal treatment. Just my thoughts.

[@Alchemymelany]

@@xpmedia8660 I said I appreciate chivalry but its not a requirement. I have been to the netherlands and I found people there fit my personality more than my own colombian culture. I still hold the door for strangers regardless of sex so I think a culture that is more equal yet kind is better in my opinion. :)

[@xpmedia8660]

@@Alchemymelany the world of dating abroad is a strange one for me...and I'm married to an Eastern European. At the end of the day it's a different world out there.

[@99timewaster]

@@Alchemymelany chilvary is male traditional gender role. This is different to (a person of any gender) being kind to people regardless of their gender. If sounds unfair to be against traditional roles for one gender yet still being in favour of it for another imo

[@alexandraaallaire7930]

It's true about flowers 💐 I'm a florist and estern Europe buy way more often.😊

[@RucchanHeisei128]

As a Western European (I'm from Spain), I prefer men from Eastern Europe a thousand times, since they know how to respect women and I would even dare to say that I like that they respect traditional gender values, something that in Spain It is unthinkable because of woke feminism.

[@MabusNero-bb3sv]

Isn't radical feminism supposed to be your religion?..........

[@thomashilmersen711]

Very true all of this. I have noticed all these things. I have lived in Norway, the UK, the USA, Colombia, Mexico and now Bulgaria.

[@annastayziaa]

you are super cool 🥰🫶🏻 I adore you! Tysm for these videos I’m so excited to watch it! LOL

[@DatingBeyondBorders]

Thanks 😁

[@lyudmylashumey263]

Marina, when was the last time you were in Ukraine? I was in Ukraine in 2021, the year before the Russian war. I saw a lot of stylish young men in their 20s and 30s. Barbershops are on every corner. The images from your video are old. Women have also stopped dressing in mini skirts and high heels for years! And now the war has changed a lot in society. Both men and women take responsibility for their families and their country. Almost everyone donates to the country's defense or does voluntary work. Gender roles have changed greatly!

[@DatingBeyondBorders]

Actually the videos are shot recently. But I do agree that men are now putting a lot more effort into appearance (I do say that in the video), however I still think that looks for men are less importan than how well they do financially. While women may not wear heels but appearance is huge. The amount of lip fillers getting done for ex is insane

[@ТарасМакаренко-ф3ш]

​@@DatingBeyondBordersGive an example of changing gender roles? I have been in Ukraine all my time and have not seen and do not see any changes. And clothing itself cannot be considered a change in gender roles.

[@eedragonr]

Everybody knows that the things are changing a lot during the wars. Due to the human losses many young women may remain unmarried for all their life. This will increase the competition between the women willing to have a partner and a family. In the same time as I said before the surviving men will be advantaged in finding the best partner. Indeed for a man the most important thing is the character, the values and the personality, of course the look is a big advantage. The character is less visible than the looks.

[@marvin2678]

do you think thats a good thing ?

[@eedragonr]

@@marvin2678 here is the former Soviet union where the women got the right to vote in 1917 and formed military combat units in 1920. Don't even think at the economy of Russia right now.

[@Sky10811]

there is one factor which influences the statistics why such a relatively low % of women/men in Russia, Ucraine are focused on equal rights for women. it s because in USSR women got those rights 50-70 years earlier vs it happened in Western europe, so for current generation there it s not such a hot topic as it was 100 years ago. while for western European equal rights are relatively new thing and only available like since 50 years ago

[@Akrus15]

They were also 80yrs less exposed to capitalism and making money. Everyone was working, but no one made a career. Also the media was not pushing fake new generation feminism on them. Thats why they are equal to men in their societies, but still have different values than in the west.

[@nicossbots]

i am an east european woman ( romania ) who did my masters in germany. at that time, i was dating a german guy. for the first 6 months everything was going so great ( even thought about moving there permanently to be with him ) but he switched after those months and showed me that his career and social life were way more important than our relationship. i have nothing against people who want to advance in their careers and want to mantain their friendships, but going out to drink almost every other weekend ( not wanting to spend quality time with your loved ones INCLUDING family) and believing his job comes first before everything ( neglecting s.ex, family, girlfriend, being always too tired for anything else) then i have no choice but to break up and look for a guy with similar interests. needless to say, i never looked out for another german guy but i was with a polish guy from the same university and had a much better experience. what i can appreciate about german men as a whole though is their openness, high intelligence, relaxed attitude and no skewed views on women.

[@marvin2678]

skewed views on women ?

[@marvin2678]

he negleted seggs ?

[@danwelterweight4137]

If he had more focused on you and spending more time with you and his family instead of his work, earning more money and his career you would have resented him, complained about hom and called him lazy or not ambitious enough... You would have said he is not doing enough to earn enough. When it comes to women you can never make women happy because they always focus on what they don't have. You can give a woman the whole world and she will still not be happy cause it will still not be enough. Women are never happy for too long. They will be happy now and 5 minutes later crying. Sometimes they cry and laugh at the same time specially when their hormones are going all over the place. We men are much simpler to understand. Like my grandmother always used to say... To make a men happy is super easy. All you need to do is keep his house clean, his belly full, his balls empty and your mouth shut. If you do these simple things for your man he will be the happiest man in the world. Yet, some women still don't get it.

[@eedragonr]

@@danwelterweight4137 give us a reason for her to be interested to do it

[@eedragonr]

As a master we have an idea of whom you won't date

[@MemoTea]

For a man, nothing lights up your day more than a woman sharing a beautiful smile after you made a small gesture for her. Probably something that has been biologically implanted in us through long evolution. A thing hard to accept for western women nowadays as they automatically associate with being submissive instead of just accepting that in certains aspects we are and always will be naturally different.

[@chetyoubetya8565]

Being submissive is a 100% social expectation and has nothing to do with biology. It might be different in a woman wanting to take care and nurture their children but that's where it ends and there are plenty of women worldwide who don't even feel that. Trust me nothing is inborn when it comes to nurturing or being submissive it's all a stupid social expectation.

[@eedragonr]

We must think that a very beautiful gesture may be received with yes or no. And can be only rewarded with another beautiful gesture.

[@ЭллиТилл]

We're all gorgeous ❤️

[@ЭллиТилл]

@@eedragonr talking about your dog?

[@eedragonr]

@@ЭллиТилл everyone at their place

[@a1iqbal]

Wonderful video! Very well done and fully agreed with you.

[@DatingBeyondBorders]

Thanks!

[@jamesvelazco9837]

I wish you didn't feel that you were less attractive than Polish/Ukrainian women because I believe differently.

[@henri191]

I'm not surprised by this way of separating west and east, one side is more conservative and the other more progressive, this could be good or bad depending on the person who responds

[@ortros1]

Please stop using progressive...

[@OverTheVoids]

I would honestly call the east side more hypocritical. I have watched enough interviews of Eastern European women on this channel to see an very concrete desire for many of them to want the female benefits of progressive environments while retaining the female advantage of conservative cultures.

[@eedragonr]

​@@OverTheVoidsif they get a good conservative husband

[@eedragonr]

Anyway till 2018 entire Europe had a half of the number of the single mothers of North America

[@marvin2678]

who responds ?

[@yuehanbai9984]

As a German I also prefer the Eastern European way where women are women and men are men. 😅 Not saying our Western ways are bad but I personally have no problem providing for the family and paying for most of our activities. I like my woman to be caring and temperamental on the other hand.😊

[@γιουργια]

Simp

[@blajmonica]

@@γιουργια A simp is a loser that expects women to take care of you while you do not give shit in return.

[@أرضاللهالواسعة]

That's why No one can corapt the Holly book (Quran) because people will corapt even things no one will think can be corapted by time it becomes NORMAL We human we need guidance with out it we will suffer in this life and in the Next life (judgment day)

[@moonknight4053]

Women have jobs too bro they can do there part is well!

[@yuehanbai9984]

@moonknight4053 Absolutely, I'm not saying I'm paying for everything.

[@Fatherland927]

I prefer the East European way. Could be my Polish/Baltic blood. My wife and I live in West Europe. We follow traditional roles, but we do share indoor responsibilities as a team for our children, but because I work, drive, protect and clean the home-perimeter, she prefers being at home as a wife and mother. So I always follow the East European way

[@eedragonr]

Excuse me please for asking such a private question, does your wife have a card for your bank accounts?

[@Fatherland927]

@@eedragonr no. If she wants something she asks me and I buy it

[@γιουργια]

​@@Fatherland927abuser

[@JF-wp2rz]

I like to be equal in the relationship, splitting chores and both paying for things. But, I do like a man to be a man. It's weird I guess but I like the feeling of being taken care of and protected, but I also want to take care of him.

[@Pewtah]

Thank you for this video. Despite all the beauty, authenticity and naturalness are more attractive to me in the long run.

[@DatingBeyondBorders]

You are welcome 🤗

[@MocaVirtuosa-nb3mv]

My dream is to have a Russian husband, I think Eastern European boys are very beautiful, and I really like the fact that they are traditional and gentlemen, in addition to having a masculine posture and not effeminate, they are masculine.

[@viktordivilski9224]

I am a Bulgarian man, and I agree with you absolutely but I have few things to add. For the women clothing its true with exception for UK and Italy (they also put shorts skirts, makeup and high heels). Also you forgot to mention the SEX culture in the West and East. In my opinion while Eastern European women show much more skin, their mentality is much more conservative and one night stands are a rare thing to see (especially in the medium to small cities). I have seen many Scandinavian and Western women in general are dressing much more casual but wayyyyy more open for fun after the bar/club ;) In the East as a man you need to spend more time showering the girl with gifts, compliments etc in order to smash, in the West not so much. While in general the Eastern women are looking for family earlier, things are changing fast, especially in the big cities. Things are getting more Americanized, except the Status thing which I hate. If you drive a bicycle in the East as a man, very few women will be interested in you. People will consider you poor in general. I find it very weird :D

[@klaudianext6118]

You're very very wrong about sex culture 😂

[@gerganakoleva4137]

No, I think he's right. May be I am too old, but during my days have not heard about 1 night stands and even if it happened it was rare.

[@Србомбоница86]

​​@@klaudianext6118he is right entirely,one night stands are extremely rare in my country thank God😊

[@andreask.1734]

Great and well researched and explained video 👍 Well done again! Greetings from Spain

[@klaudianext6118]

I'm polish-belarusian and I prefer try different things. Like with one guy I can split the bill or even pay for him (if I think it's fun), with another guy I can allow him to pay every time. I don't like to bind myself to the common opinion based on the geographical place I was born in. I can behave however I want to because this is more fun way of living 😃

[@TAsayeshiii]

Very fascinating facts. I loved it💙💙💙💙

[@daynatamara]

As a latina women that have lived in Western Europe. I did notice the similarities, in both women and men with Latin America upbringing. In fact, I became close friends with an Ukrainian girl. But neither her or I have the 'gold digger' mentality hahaha we were both thought to have a career ❤

[@Ed-xv4sy]

My father couldn't cook, i've never seen him in the kitchen in my life. He can't do laundry, he can't go grocery shopping without me and never did dishes or clean the house lol my mother did all of that. My father was the provider, the protector and the leader of the home. My question is, I can do every my father did, and it hit me the other day, why on earth do I need a woman? I can see why my father needed my mother. They had strong gender roles. I do not need it, so what's the point.

[@Sky10811]

love and intimacy

[@Ed-xv4sy]

@@Sky10811 I get plenty of love from my family, friends, many many relatives, and my two huskies. They're the most needy weirdos but i love them. Intimacy is not something you need from the outside, I have plenty of intimacy in my life. What is left? not one person can give me a proper answer. What do I need from a marriage?

[@Bracarensis]

I adopted a husky. You are spot on. On everything.

[@ЭллиТилл]

@@Ed-xv4sy And what about sex?

[@MissSaiko]

​@Ed-xv4sy if you don't think you need a woman, then you don't need one :) forcing yourself to get one will ruin 2 lives 😊

[@tallthinwavy3]

What you said is true. Have online friend's from Eastern Europe. They have those opinions.

[@BarbaraMarieLouise]

I‘m Austrian! That means we‘re somehow in between. We have a lot of Eastern influences of dating or gift giving and we have a lot of Western influences. So I realized that a lot of men in Austria don’t know how to treat as some like chivalry and others seem to detest it. So that is really a bit difficult. I’m very happy that we still have the ball season as there chivalry is always part of the game.

[@DatingBeyondBorders]

Yes that is interesting. I have found Austrians are more traditional than Germans, more chivalry there for sure

[@BarbaraMarieLouise]

@@DatingBeyondBorders yes. It is because Austrians are German speaking Slavs. We have a lot of Slavic ancestors due to the 800 reign of the Habsburgs over most Eastern European countries as well as some Northern parts of Italy and for a time also Spain and Mexico. So we still feel connected to the Slavic countries. As the saying goes: „the Balkan starts in Vienna.“

[@NoctLightCloud]

​@@BarbaraMarieLouiseI was born in Austria but my parents are slavic. I have never been treated differently and people don't even notice that I'm not "Austrian" unless I tell them or they read my last name (which is a very easy name so sometimes even that indicator is ignored). And based on my experience, slavic people have it VERY easy when integrating into Austria. On the countryside especially (eg in Kärnten), teenage boys from both sides will play soccer together and participate in Krampus and fire brigade stuff, and you usually can't distinguish who is who. And older men have the same sentiment and dry humour, and love doing reparation/construction work. So you saying "Austrians are German speaking Slavs" blew my mind - I never realized it until now. Danke!!

[@BarbaraMarieLouise]

@@NoctLightCloud Yes! That’s totally like you said! We Austrians normally have huge variety of Slavic surenames. And even in Kärnten and in Burgenland there are villages where they speak either Burgenlandkroatisch (an older way of Croatian) or Hungarian or Slovenian as they are official languages as well in those federal states. I realized when I moved to Berlin for my studies. They were totally different. And when I came back to Vienna I overheard a conversation of two men that sounded like Czech from the melody. As I came came closer and passed by I realized that they were speaking the Vienese slang and that was the moment where I first realized that we have a very Czech language melody in Vienna and in Austria in generally. Whereas the Germans, especially in Berlin speak without any melody. That’s why they sound often so harsh when they speak. So, I also learned only when I lived abroad and came back.

[@NoctLightCloud]

@@BarbaraMarieLouise That's very interesting, ty for sharing! (I've also lived abroad in Japan & Korea and came back^^)

[@danielwatcherofthelord1823]

Just a little bit of advice, don't take those polls too seriously. Who knows how the data was collected or how many people were asked or what locations the answers were collected from. All of that makes a huge difference and to label a few 1000 people in one area answering questions as the whole countries view is completely absurd. Anybody who critically thinks about this for a minute or two will realize how inaccurate that information probably is. Especially when you consider regional differences of people in a country answering the survey. It would skew the results in a completely opposite direction!

[@oyemimelaza]

I'm Latino (Puerto Rican), and I've always thought you're gorgeous, Marina. Just wanted to put that out there into the universe. Hahaha

[@travelerexperience]

I am Romanian and grew up in Italy. For me are very similarities, and I move out from both. I am not an ATM, you should know to provide for yourself. I tries after 28 years to live in Romania and I got a good salary, but I leave because of the mentality. First of all, when they say before men provide, like my grandfather, he could pay with his salary all, now with the same job, in Romania you cannot pay even for yourself. When I had girfriends from other countries and I saw they were up to pay too for some stuff, I didn't care to spend a lot of money for both, but when I see you just expect a man to pay, bye bye. Also, I know an Algerian girl who could stay with her love who had quite a bit of money but she met a guy very rich and stayed with him and cry so many times but with money

[@Frivals]

When men provide for females, those females were their slaves, obey to him and no divorce imaginable. The man was even allowed to kill his wife is found cheating on him. And females worked all day too, there was no washing machines etc. So nowadays there is zero, really zero, reasons why men should provide for females, on the contrary is stupid to provide for females with zero benefits.

[@blajmonica]

A cheap guy like you does not deserve dating. If you cannot afford a restaurant and some flowers now and then you should not expect anything in return, noone is asking for Hilton room and expensive dinner. I bet you are also judging her "sexual" activity before you asking about how many sexual partners she had before etc. If you do not bring anything on the table as man you should have very low expectations on a woman, simple as that.

[@gaiusiuliuscaesar3809]

@@blajmonica What do you women bring on the table?

[@blajmonica]

@@gaiusiuliuscaesar3809 Stupid question. You can answer yourself. My future husband is the only one who can point out that about me. I can't talk about all women, it is nonsense.

[@mignas]

Baltics are very funny mix of the two: Men insist on paying, supporting family, opening doors, showing attention, showing status. Meanwhile women insist on relationship being equal, they suggest splitting the bill, taking care of themselves needing no support. In my experience, both usually agree they have equal obligations in a relationship, although both try to outdo one another. Ofc, treatment of women and men in social setting is different. Women withhold their opinions and men mostly look at other men when talking to a group of people. That is ongoing change, but will take at least one generation to completely level out.

[@misscogito]

wonderful and i love the summary about chivalry :) when i came back to Poland from holidays in Spain, I hugely appreciated it how many gentlemen are around me in my country...

[@MabusNero-bb3sv]

a Polish woman saying nice things to Polish men......what a surprise....... 🤡 🤡 🤡

[@srishtioinam6816]

I love the Eastern Europe v/s Western Europe analogy you put here. Clearly both cultures have something good to take away from each. Especially the chivalrous part, I personally find it nice too.

[@Christian80806]

The US especially in the southern states & areas with tons of immigrants from Mexico/South America a traditional gender role mindset is very common so our stats aren’t surprising. Especially became we tend to be more religious than Europe.

[@daiana8827]

East Europe and South Europe are way more religious than south america they broth christianity in america after all

[@VrilDerzhava]

I love Eastern European men because of their chivalrous and protective nature 🥰And I agree that chivalry should remain, but unfortunately it's diminishing due to the spread of feminism.

[@ramimbintybindu9840]

Chivalry still exists regardi'n feminism(women should work as spouse bedsides the man to support him,in-order to co-exist[it's a western & eastern phneomena]tropical countries in europe helps in gender role)...

[@Commentator488]

Be with a chivalrous man if you want, feminism doesn’t stop you

[@rekaroob2589]

I live in Hungary and I did not recognize these things (most of Eastern customs) in my society. I guess being in the Centre you get a mix of both worlds. Also Hungary is painted really conservative in the media but culturally I would not say it is true. (maybe more in Poland) I remember girls from former Soviet Republics studying at my uni being suprised how we don't do full make up for showing up at classes men don't hold the doors for you etc. On the diagrams we were kind of in the middle and I think that is accurate. Having children is important but most woman have their first babies around 30 and I have never met anyone who looked down on my relative who did not get married. About the feminism thing: I do agree many people here do not understand it but I belive its because during communism woman had to work, so families could survive so we never really experienced the fight for jobs or even for social care which was given from the state.

[@MrTekeshi]

stop saying BS about Poland

[@lucylocket5262]

Poland was never a soviet republic.

[@rekaroob2589]

@@lucylocket5262 I did not write this, Poland was referred as a more conservative society than Hungary

[@MrTekeshi]

@@rekaroob2589 and that is BS

[@eedragonr]

I won't call someone with morality and ethics a conservative

[@TAsayeshiii]

Not weird at all. Being traditional it shows how devoted and committed you are in a relationship and that you hope your significant other also feels the same to put you first in these situations. And sometimes it's needed as a way of expressing exactly how you feel.

[@AlexK-qf4dn]

As an eastern European guy I can say how things are going in the eastern part of Europe: 1) No pressure to get married/have kids early or whenever 2) No pressure to have makeup 3) No pressure to dress fancy clothes 4) No competition between women in Russia (actually there are more women because they live apr. 5 years longer) 5) No pressure to pay on a date if you don't want to 6) Nobody brings flowers on a first date 7) We actually have mutual expenses when we are in relationship 8) Almost all wives are working and making contribution to family income 9) Men's appearance is actually important 10) Men are actually make cleaning, wash dishes and men are cooking 11) No pressure to be able to repair everything 12) Men don't want a housewife 13) Women don't want to be a housewife 14) People are looking for an equal partner and a soulmate

[@eedragonr]

And Canada is trying to recruit immigrants from Eastern Europe, from Ukraine and Russia till the Balkans. And these are the big city "work of art". I don't know if they are even interested in relationship or marriage.

[@DatingBeyondBorders]

Where are you located? You may be speaking from your own city point of view (for ex. Moscow doesn't represent Russia well). Secondly, I may be wrong but you may not have a real point of comparison. Having you say - no pressure to pay/no competition between women makes me think just that. Have you traveled abroad extensively? Specifically to Western/Northern Europe? If so I am sure you will find these things are more true than you think. It feels to me you are comparing the Russia of now to Russia of 60-80s and if so, you are right.

[@AlexK-qf4dn]

@@DatingBeyondBorders I've visited almost all Europe, have lived in Poland for more than 6 years, but plan to relocate though😃Definitely this is my subjective opinion, saying from my friends' and my point of view. Originally I am from Minsk (Belarus). Btw I've never been married and I am 37 years old 😀

[@marvin2678]

which countries are you talking about ?

[@eedragonr]

​@@marvin2678look at the mail bride order to see about who is he not talking. I believe about the industrial big cities of the former communist block and Soviet union.

[@giveitatry951]

Never dated. Interesting to hear what it looks like in different countries.

[@LoboPoderosoSDL]

Great video and Marina is so beautiful❤❤😍😍

[@cvsop7338]

amazing as usual you are a social researcher and I follow and view you all the time regards from Iranian lady in Qatar

[@DatingBeyondBorders]

Thanks! Love that title 🤓

[@barryguda8768]

Wasn't able to get flowers since all the shops were closed, got my Ukraine lady flowers I picked while walking, she really loved it I was literally shocked :)

[@amiquigonzales7917]

Good for you ... sooooooooooooo romantic !! That's what is asked, love, care, romance, respect ... you don't have to have amounts of money for that !!

[@barryguda8768]

@@amiquigonzales7917 Thanks man to top it off she watered the flowers for a whole week and put some on her hair the whole day loved it 💌

[@alwayslearning7672]

Some women hate chocolate and flowers. What can you do?

[@amiquigonzales7917]

@@alwayslearning7672 Very few, and if they are respectful, they will thank your kindness . In my long life have met only ONE who didn't like chocolates (it was a health issue really, so she never ate one). But I saw a young man offering her a small chocolates box for Christmas, he didn't know about this issue, and she accepted the box, smiled, thanked and said they looked good but unfortunately she wouldn't have them as was unable to eat them. But appreciated the gesture and thanked in the name of her nephews, who of course loved them. That's what a polite, respectful person does. SAme for flowers, you may have Hay fever but do appreciate the gentleman 's gesture of offering you a bouquet. It's so caring and romantic !!

[@amiquigonzales7917]

@@Cocoisagordonsetter Did you forget ¨Never look a gift horse in the mouth"? If this woman is not polite and good-mannered, what do you want from her anyway?? If she is, you are in the right track for showing her you care about her. Afterwards, the decision belongs only to her.

[@stiglarsson8405]

At first.. I like your stance on dating in Sweden.. its spot on, at least if one is a middle age person! However, as a swedish guy, I can tell about dating in sweden, at least as an middle age guy! At first, half part of the women one dates have similar or even better education/salaries, then one self Its more about to find a partner thats equal, in education, salary, life style and socieconomics! I have only paid for a date ones in my lifetime! Then to the hot topic.. casual sex/one night stand/sex befor coffe.. its not a big thing in sweden, sex between adults is rather a way to learn to know each other! Befor one move togheter and start getting children and when ones children get teenagers.. isnt it time for us to get marriged???

[@eedragonr]

I think it is very easy : if someone is religious won't live in sin. Of course humans may live like the animals. Some are used to have bastards others don't want to.

[@NoctLightCloud]

​@@eedragonryou have no idea how much cheating is going on in "religious" countries😂 In my parent's village in Bosnia, literally every single(!) father of the household had a side chick. At one point, our whole street was left alone, all men left and behind stayed the wives and 4~5 children per couple. That was in the 60s in Yugoslavia. WHAT "sins" are you talking about? Humans are gonna be humans.

[@eedragonr]

@@NoctLightCloud "if someone is religious". You should know that the problem with the Christians is that they know that their sins may be forgiven especially if they are sins of love under certain conditions. You also should know that in a secular country faith is a very personal private matter which of course may give a pattern and an identity to a community but nobody can dictate to anyone else how to live, what to do or how moral must they be sure as long as they are not hurting anyone or causing a social tragedy. We will start to talk about far more than sin if it's murder or other crimes.

[@eedragonr]

@@NoctLightCloud talking about Bosnia we are talking about the Left. I am generally censored if I am saying what is not only for me the truth about the "sins" of the Left. You yourself are describing in a socialist secular country their characteristic promiscuity, which it appears to hit mainly the lower class and the poor people. Many women at a certain economic and social levels did not tolerate it in their life at any price. You should have heard my mother pleading against divorce in such a case.

[@Србомбоница86]

​​​@@NoctLightCloudthats not true at all, plus you are not Orthodox Christian

[@karlstrauss2330]

Eastern Europe keeping traditionalism alive… I love it!

[@LunaVioletta7]

Vomit

[@thirstwithoutborders995]

I grew up in Asia and married a Russian man who emigrated to Germany as a teenager. One of the things that attracted me to him was how chivalrous he was, a lot of protective gestures, but what made me marry him was his egalitarian mindset. We both do nice things for each other, he is stronger, so he does more physical things, and I am more dexterous, so I do more gentle things for him. I got the best of both worlds. I feel like both scenarios have their downsides, and both cultures get happy and less happy couples, so maybe we should communicate and learn each other's dispositions and opinions, rather than going on a cultural script for how things should be.

[@MabusNero-bb3sv]

Isn't women hate chivalry?........

[@sebastianf6499]

You're one of my favorite KZbin anthropologists, especially when it comes to dating and human culture ❤Love your video❤

[@DatingBeyondBorders]

Thank you! What a compliment 😌

[@chrystianaw8256]

This is was a great video!

[@DatingBeyondBorders]

Thanks!

[@johngonzalez4298]

Happy Thursday, Marina ❤! Thanks for sharing this video of Western European women vs. Eastern European women as I have had long term relationships with both a Western European woman who is Spanish born 🇪🇸 and an Eastern European woman who is Russian 🇷🇺 born. I find both types different but I do find Eastern European women more appealing in my perspective so I give them an advantage. I was born in the United States 🇺🇲 but I do enjoy learning about other cultures as I always found it interesting to read and know about. I have 3 words for you, Marina: You go girl!

[@LCCWPresents]

Flowers in USA is only reallly given to loved ones from loved ones and the Tradition is mostly with older generations.

[@TiemposDePaz]

I enjoyed this video and as an American black woman I have dated Russian, Eastern European as well as Western men. I enjoy the fun of dating Eastern European where you get these fancy dinners and flowers from date one. Money for clothes and hair are gifted because if you look good, it makes them look good to other men too. However long term, you give up a lot of communication skills later on. When it’s time to talk wants and goals, that’s when it gets difficult. US men want to be treated like Eastern European men but don’t want to be as generous as them. They still want you to be egalitarian which does add up. lol. There’s a reason the eastern women are incentivized by looking good, and cooking for their men, because they will continue to be compensated throughout their relationship for their effort. American men want both. And they need to decide which way they want it to be. Be generous or support equal rights so women can earn enough to go half and both men and women can stay home after birth.

[@yunleung2631]

You go sister!

[@Koshkinayekaterina]

Stay away from Europeans

[@OverTheVoids]

It's interesting to hear your experiences as the hypocritical behavior of American men is no different than that of Eastern European women. I have watched enough interviews of Eastern European women on this channel to see an very concrete desire for many of them to want the female benefits of progressive environments while retaining the female advantage of conservative cultures. They are not much different in regards to wanting the best of both worlds without having to deal with the consequences of either condition.

[@AmericanDreamer]

@TiemposDePaz -Exactly !! They want a traditional women without themselves acting like a traditional men! That's the elephant in the room. They want all the benefits of traditional women and also of modern women without themselves doing anything, without stepping up in any regard! And God forbid woman will end up wanting something or asking for something. IMO it's a very debilitating trend and it's been pushed in various ways, the most obvious being Red Pill. That only will drive the wedge between genders to the extreme.

[@tobiasphilippwittlinger8753]

You are really feeding the ******type with this one! Gift me stuff and I will do as you please, if you dont then you dont deserve me... There is equal opportunity for women in the workplace for decades now but you got to be smart and ruthless otherwise you get played (salarywise). It is a taff game for men and women but it is only women who complain!

[@americanflyer4126]

The real question is who is happier long-term i.e. after getting married. Eastern or Western Europeans?

[@diofromyozgat]

"Also Turkish man know flattery like no other and they are very generous with their money and gifts" Do Turkish women agree with this? i doubt haha

[@Maria..Carina-y6x]

In Eastern Europe, for sure, the rule is for men to pay, but not common at all, for men to be expected to pay for lavish dinners on dates, the way you see in the West. The expectations i hear sometimes from young women, in the West, are just INSANE! Those things are for serious relationships or wives, not for when you try to meet and get to know someone. Personally i don't even like it, when a guy plans something too fancy for the first few dates, and i see it as trying too hard with something that's irelevant, and i always tone it down, and i propose him something less. I prefer an ice cream, and a walk in the park, this way men can save money when they try to find a gf, and then they cand spend more on the gf. It's so weird and selfish to expect a man to pay for fancy things, when he is not even sure he wants to see you again, or if you want to see him ever again. I don't want my future partner to get broke, in his search for me.😅 Now ofc rich ppl date a little differentely here too. But for the average person, expesive dates are considered to be superficial, and irelevant. Sitting at a table is not the best way to get to know someone. Walks are the best, botanical garden walks, parks, city streets in small towns, on weekends, museums. I will never, ever, ever, ever pay for anything on dates, i hate to pay, and i never feel guilty of it, because as long as i keept it small (coffee, ice cream, piece of cake) i know that he feels good to pay, because the price of these things, is not a burden. And if a man tries to get sex, with expensive dates, it's totally fine, i don't have a problem, women can get the message, and either go for it, or turn it down. It's just an elegant way to signal what you want, without having to say it with words.

[@matchaa121]

I have never heard any of my Western European female friends say that they are offended by chivalry. Neither have I ever felt this way. I think it's stupid to reinforce that stereotype.

[@MabusNero-bb3sv]

Chivalry is sexism....... according to females.......

[@irinaivanovic9792]

Great video.

[@ImmortalRimas]

I’m starting to see why my Polish Grandfather never went home as it seems too much hassle!🤣 Not just women but it seems I share a lot of similar views in common with the Dutch in general after seeing them in many videos on this channel

[@americanexpat8792]

I can be quite critical of the US, but you have an error in your video. Your graph at 5:00 shows the US with 91% for gender equality. It is misplaced and should be near the top of the list. It looks like it was originally in alphabetical order and when Russia / Ukraine were separated out, it never sorted properly.

[@DatingBeyondBorders]

Oh you are right! The order got me confused.

[@americanexpat8792]

@@DatingBeyondBorders It happens to the best of us. Keep up the good work! Always love your work - especially since I have a very close Ukrainian friend and any advice I can get, I appreciate

[@manuelfg2902]

​@@DatingBeyondBorderssame with UK marina! Btw, are u married?

[@renatabednarova8296]

During communism all people were compulsory employed. Actually, it was crime not to be employed. As a result, allmost every women had their jobs. So it makes sense, now they enjoy possibility to stay in home and take care about families.

[@charlottep.4843]

This was so interesting!

[@manuelfg2902]

Now i know why you have so beautiful name!!! You russian born canadian woman with so pretty eyes!! I ❤ Marina Love from spain 🇪🇸🇪🇸

[@DatingBeyondBorders]

Haha thank you ☺️

[@AkasaurusRex]

I’m hoping to study in Greece in four ish years. I’m a Japanese Canadian in painfully dry Alberta. Always been a hopeless romantic, when I first tried dating I loved giving girls roses they just looked at me like a freak and patted me on the head. Long story short I’m quite done with girls here just no point as they got even worse over the decades. I have a SLIM hope a Greek/Eastern European girl would line a passionate, romantic guy with amazing hair. None in Canada do.

[@BH6242KCh]

The women's competitiveness in the East could be partly due to demographic imbalance..... more women chasing fewer men.

[@DatingBeyondBorders]

💯 percent. I actually realized I forgot to mention this very important point, so great you pointed it out

[@PortfolioPL]

@@DatingBeyondBorders There will be a lot of single woman in both Ukraine and Russia after the war. Lots of them will have to travel to the west to find husbands...

[@Ed-xv4sy]

@@PortfolioPL Won't make a difference, there's a lot of single women here in Canada but they're more than fine being single. My point is, unless the standard of living is trash (like some eastern european countries i won't mention ;) they won't get married.

[@tobiasphilippwittlinger8753]

@@Ed-xv4sy You are totally missing the point! The war accelerates an already outbalanced demographic trend and there is no such thing, as a happy single in many, if not most cultures. Someone is just a leftover and has to struggle! That has to do with a missing pension system, thus to have a family is essential for the old days.

[@MetallicReg]

@@tobiasphilippwittlinger8753I think you miss the point that the modern times produces singles at an extremely accelerated rate. No wars needed.

[@johnquach9925]

You are doing a awesome job. Could you talk about China.

[@sakeebkamal3472]

Another informative video ❤I learnt new thing today, “ Eastern European men aren’t that good looking “! Interesting fact 🤔

[@gerganakoleva4137]

What she meant was they do not put so much effort to LOOK good. This is true. Especially the ones that are already married. Of course this is changing, but the old generation...

[@airborneranger-ret]

Nice observation. Status is very important in EE. ;)

[@dernevalribeiro4503]

Myself, I divide dating not in Eastern and Western, for one can have immigrants or middle class people, meaning one has always a chance to find out that people are not much different. But it is a good definition.

[@НаиляЭр]

Just 1 solution - to have relationships with representatives of your or similar countries. As a Russian i prefer Russians because we have similar mentality

[@MetallicReg]

You can try a mix. But both need to be open to learn from each other. If only one adjusts - it won’t work.

[@eedragonr]

Perhaps it is more difficult to lie at dating

[@GB-vm2ik]

Marina, let me tell ho much I have appreciated your honesty in sharing your opinion on a very debated topic. I have been following your channel for so long, and I believe your video can be very educational material for people to get to know more about the world and about dating culture. In relation, to east and west: I come from the west, and I have dated women from both sides. They are in my opinion equally beautiful and interesting, although I could see significant differences in their dating style and culture. Anyone could have their preference and by growing up you realize where to identify on a certain scale. End of the day, you will not remember who paid on the first date. Instead, you will remember the nice times you had getting to know other people and other cultures. Dating around the world allowed me to discover the world from many different perspectives, and I embraced them all, making truly feeling me a better person thanks to them. Thanks again, Marina! ❤

[@DatingBeyondBorders]

Thank you! ☺️

[@PeterDaniška]

Marina, you are well dressed and beautiful. Thank you for sharing this video !

[@jamesschoi87]

4:39 isn't this saying 91% of the people in the US responded it is very important that women have the same right as men?

[@DatingBeyondBorders]

Yes. Looks like I got that one wrong 😅

[@kayakazmirci2440]

I’m loving your work and gain huge insight into my Russian lady friends from you, thank you!

[@BigBear59]

You do a great job and I love all your videos …and your presentations …so wishing you all the best for 2024 and look forward to your new adventures ….💕 Alex🇬🇷

[@DatingBeyondBorders]

Thank you!! Same to you 😊

[@Q-Mac_]

Since when has Eastern and Western Europe been separate continents? 🤣12:57 Great video overall!

[@ismt9390]

I feel like Romania entered some kind of twilight zone when it comes to gender roles and chivalry. What i mean is that women are expected to be both independent *and* to take on traditional gender roles. I know countless families (including my own) where women work full time, earning as much as the man, while also having to do *all* the chores and shopping around the house *and* take care of children alone. The men... somehow end up looking worse and worse even though family life for them comes with a lot less work and responsibilities. They come home, watch TV and drink beer. I repeat, i'm not exaggerating, there are waaaaay to many families who live like this and i'm personally disgusted.

[@DatingBeyondBorders]

Interesting 🤔

[@eedragonr]

But no reason for divorce?

[@diofromyozgat]

It is like this in Turkey too. Tho man are also trying to take care of their children more.

[@marietgagliardi]

I'm in the US and been married 20 years. Prior to marriage, I never had a man take me out and not pick up the bill. If that happened, i would assume we were friends

[@edaaaaaaaaaaa]

Will you create contents about Turkey? :)

[@greenytaddict]

Yes!

[@AatVandelay]

Commentary suggestion: I'm Indian and wondering where expat dating for my race would have the most optionality. I've heard good things about Brazil, and have lived in countries where Indians are seen as an unattractive segment by most of the natives.

[@alexandramccarthy4648]

Great video Marina. One note I'd like to make that Russia in particular suffered a very heavy losses during WWII and there was and still is shortage of quality men for marriage. Therefore, competition is quite fears among women for those prospective bachelors.

[@DatingBeyondBorders]

Wonderful point that is very relevant to why there is such competition.. and sadly this issue will get worse in the near future.

[@alexandramccarthy4648]

@@DatingBeyondBorders So true! 😟

[@tobiasphilippwittlinger8753]

​@@DatingBeyondBorders not necessarily because the demographic effects comes into play when soldiers die childless. This happened on a huge scale in ww2, hopefully it wont repeat , so far not that many of generation Z have been mobilized.

[@eedragonr]

If family and marriage are seen as conservative I must say that I also was surprised by the trend of the young women to get married and have a family. This wasn't before as Christianity supported spinsterism, convent /monasteries, virtuous living in the society. I have no idea from where this view that a young woman independent having a career is not really successful if she doesn't have it all and has not her own family. Is it coming from the 19th century, from the time of Grace Kelly or the '80s? But the traditions are coming from a biological normality

[@emanuelemaragno8840]

I am Italian and my girlfriend is Polish, and I can confirm anything in this video. I think Italian boys and Slavic girls are the best match for each other. I can tell that I've never felt any happier and fulfilled as I am in my current relationship.

[@MichelaRossini]

Also slavic men with Italian girls. My husband is slavic. ❤

[@MarioPanoza]

What if he is Northern Italian? Because there is difference

[@emanuelemaragno8840]

@@MarioPanoza I don't know, I am from southern Italy

[@ukgod6789]

I have no problem with providing for a woman. But some people think 💬🤔 its a business like in the West and if he spends money the girl most also spend everything she has or nothing will be ok.

[@businessanalysiscmb]

I like Easter European women, but it is nothing to do with the gender roles and family values you explain here. I find those women more sensible and more able to empathise by understanding the circumstances. For example, if I am cold, a Russian woman may see me and just bring a jumper or blanket for me. I have been with women from other cultures where "I wont get if I dont ask". I think it is due to the extremely harsh climate, and especially Russian speaking communities having been exposed to so much suffering throughout centuries of war with their neighbours, that they developed that compassion and understanding. Any insight anyone?

[@klaudianext6118]

It's not because of harsh climate or the war. The level of living in eastern countries like Russia is much lower. People have much more difficulties and struggling from the very childhood. So it's not like being born in Germany. That's why russians are usually more emotional and compassionate

[@tobiasphilippwittlinger8753]

​@@klaudianext6118Well the level of living is significantly linked with the geography and history.

[@tobiasphilippwittlinger8753]

I think it is mostly because of the demographics and culture. Being single is not something that is cherished or celebrated in Russia and since there are more women than men in marriageable age, the competition among women results in very cool, carrying and beautiful women.

[@klaudianext6118]

@@tobiasphilippwittlinger8753 russian men are also more emotional and compassionate comparing to emotional robots in western Europe

[@klaudianext6118]

@@tobiasphilippwittlinger8753 it's men who compete for women in Russia not the opposite as you said. They are paying on the first date and are gentlemen from the young age 🙂

[@chrisskywalker6079]

Well, you actually nail it. Because i really go to the gym and sign up to IG simply because the monkeys don't😉✌

[@kylesavage4525]

As a Greek i am not surprised at all by the high scores we had at the gender equality related studies. I can't remember the last time that i went in an at least semi-crowded cafe/bar/restaurant where there were not people around talking about these stuff. A lot of men as well. People are just stuck with this old stereotype of us mostly cause we are Balkans although i don't think we have the same mentality with them tbh.

[@DatingBeyondBorders]

Yes I think what people think about Greece no longer holds true in the new generation. Is there a difference between big cities like Athens and villages do you find though?

[@kylesavage4525]

@@DatingBeyondBorders Not really except for some semi-secluded mountain villages but these are all very low on population so it's irrelevant to consider them stats-wise. The big mentality gap about gender equality (and some other sociopolitical and religious views) is between the generations. And yes i know this happens everywhere but in Greece much more because previous generations (those who are currently at their 40s-70s) lived a relatively wealthy life due to a ton of money our politicians 'borrowed' to create a false image of Greek economy. This meant that one income households were very common and possible. Now we have no money so one income households are not a realistic expectation for the majority of couples. Feminism is also super popular among pretty much all young women (20s & 30s) and being a housewife is almost offensive to them.

[@Bracarensis]

The same goes for Portugal. Don't know any woman without a career.

[@arneperschel]

​@@DatingBeyondBorders constructive criticism: next time you comment on a stat that shows something good about a country like Greece, or something bad about the US, don't say "oh, that's a surprise!".

[@salmarcano4057]

Greeks aren't Balkans culturally speaking

[@antonboludo8886]

In Eastern Europe, women are still looking for a guy to be the bread winner and to support the family. In Western Europe, it is more individualistic. Men and women no longer depend on each other. Every person can make plenty of his/her own money. Also, Eastern Europe has a different view on immigration. They can have many cultures in the same region, but each of these cultures is native to that area. This is different from importing people from foreign countries. Multi-ethnic is not the same as multi-cultural. Also "melting pot" is a different concept.

[@Maria..Carina-y6x]

I would say that in Eastern Europe, both women and men, like it when the man earns more than the woman, but we do not like it to depend on men neither, at all. Here we still like to need each other instead of depending on each other, which is a subtle but important difference. That's why even thou the woman works, she will still cook for her man, or take care of the house hold, and even thou she has her own money, the man still likes to earn more, so he can afford, to give her money for a dress, or hair salon, or pay for dinners, vacation, etc. Obviously it depends on economic status, and education level. Rich ppl date differentely here too. And very poor people don't care so much about this, they just try to make a living, and raise their children. But for the average person, this is the protocol, in general. My partners slways tried their best to pay for things, dates, dresses when we went at a wedding, hair care, etc, and in return, u bet i always cooked, iron their shirts, take care of the house and we did it with pleasure, not as if it was a chore. The idea of ordering delivery food, is hilarious, except for when we want something that we are not good at, like for ex sushi. And we are taught to love our home, and cleaning my own house is something that i (and all women i know) is very difficult to leave on someone else to do it. Nobody does it the way i like it to be done.😂 But you are 100% right about importing people from other countries.

[@antonboludo8886]

Well said. Good post. Have a great weekend with your family and friends 🙂. @@Maria..Carina-y6x

[@yury2509]

My friend recently traveled to one of the former USSR countries. He met a woman at the bar, who was dressed in all designer's clothes. Like Gucci, Versace, etc. Some time later, he was invited to her place. There was nothing there. Some old scrap, the girl literally slept on a floor. This culture of showing off is an absurd, what goes to extremity. Many young women are shallow, and emotionally insecure. I believe this is the reason they present themselves beyond the financial means. The concept of emotional maturity and wholesomeness was never introduced in that part of the world.

[@AmericanDreamer]

very true

[@Bracarensis]

Perfect picture 😊

[@DanyloZorin]

Yes, show off is a part of the culture. It stems from a lot of of insecurities. Mostly socioeconomic. It translates in not so pleasant behavioral compensatory reactions.

[@ЭллиТилл]

All women are gorgeous ❤️

[@eedragonr]

Yes I was wondering who is paying for all these dresses, clothes, accessories, shoes, cosmetics, beauty salon treatments? Are they paying for themselves or the parents are paying for them and with what purpose? If they are in a movie of Audrey Hepburn they should pay attention.

[@SwissArtillerie22]

Wives belong to their husband as a security means. He protects and provides