People think that "unnatural" substances are inherently bad.
@NeutralMjolkHotel11 ай бұрын
Also the implication that Swiss Water process doesn’t affect the flavour of the coffee is intentionally misleading. The best tasting decaf coffees I’ve tried have all been ethyl acetate.
@ssjaken11 ай бұрын
Don't be a pedantic turbo nerd. In common English parlance, the word "chemicals" is understood as unsafe commercial product unsafe for humans. If you go to a store and ask where their chemicals are, they're not gonna take you to the water aisle.
@alexandrseroff11 ай бұрын
@@ssjaken people of “nature” don’t have this distinction between
@ggEmolicious11 ай бұрын
Chemists be like, "water IS a chemical solvent tho..."
@anderson-may517411 ай бұрын
Hell even us coffee nerds would say that lol
@max1310211 ай бұрын
I mean, DCM perfectly fine. It boils at 40°C and is pretty volatile, so just sitting at room temp, it evaporates pretty quick. I can't imagine that much of any is left by the time you get the grounds and brew it.
@thetaintpainter544310 ай бұрын
It is
@LordOfTheReefer8 ай бұрын
Who cares what those geeks say LMAO
@Human-san7 ай бұрын
@@LordOfTheReefer hey!! geeks are people too!
@Kizaco11 ай бұрын
Very sneaky by saying it “removes 99% of caffeine” when you said the other methods “left 2-4 percent” making it sound like a big increase when it’s 1 percent
@Ryantagcoffee11 ай бұрын
Wasn’t really trying to make that a huge selling point haha, but it’s true!
@Hyloshit8 ай бұрын
Ask Gale, it is os very significant.
@pimpostrous8 ай бұрын
It actually is a pretty big difference. the 99% caffeine free is a usually wrongly interpreted. It’s more like whole milk vs 2%. Whole milk is better described as 3% milk and so 2% isn’t 98% less fat than whole milk, it’s 33% less. Likewise regular coffee is like 8% caffiene so going to 97 can technically qualify as decaf which means you go from 80mg of caffiene to 30 mg and it still counts. 99% caffiene free means you can still have 10mg of caffiene and 99.7 could mean under 3mg total. So a 1% increase is actually pretty significant, equating to close to 10mg of caffiene. These numbers are rough guidelines btw. You’ll need to reference actual exact values
@stefanociamarra250511 ай бұрын
Sorry but this is a deceiving info. The Swiss Water method alterates the taste a lot leaving not much of the origin taste and giving to all the coffees a very papery and cardboard predominant tone.
@sizquirt7 ай бұрын
sure, that’s your opinion or it could be a brand problem, all decaf i had tastes the same as caffeinated
@DES.REVER.DESIGNS Жыл бұрын
Explain the SWISS method... id be interested in hearing how water (probably super cooled or maybe super heated) ... or maybe they just soak it for a long time... good video broski
@AbbotCoffee Жыл бұрын
We use the Swiss Water Process remove caffeine by gently soaking green beans in a water solution for just over 8 hour. The solution absorbs caffeine from the beans, and is then repeatedly carbon filtered until 99.9% of the caffeine is removed. You can definitely taste a difference. 👌🏼
@-Tidgy11 ай бұрын
@@AbbotCoffeeevery company has a damn KZbin channel😂
@ryan_n0511 ай бұрын
my company uses the swiss water process on our decaf roasts, essentially the beans just slosh around in a tank of water with active filtration for a while and then they’re decaffeinated
@koelan11 ай бұрын
@@AbbotCoffeeOmg Abbott!! I love the freestyle libre may god bless y’all❤❤🥰
@joebee184211 ай бұрын
There’s a ton of good videos out there, it’s also called the Mexican Mountain Method. Also on most Decaf packaging you’ll see Water Method.
@flekmel Жыл бұрын
Don’t forget the CO2 Method. imho even a bit better than swiss water. Very popular in europe and europes specialty coffee culture
@Kanbei1111 ай бұрын
Plus supercritical is always cool
@davidkunkel454211 ай бұрын
I'm in the United states, and I wanted to buy some, couldn't find any anywhere. On Amazon the minimum amount you can buy is 5 lb. I'm not that heavy a coffee drinker but I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and try it.
@owenblount733410 ай бұрын
Doesn’t that process use super critical CO2 that shit is cool
@flekmel10 ай бұрын
In germany we have one company using a process with liquid CO2 - they have a patent and in regards of quality they are the 100% market leader in CO2
@Timcraft202110 ай бұрын
@@flekmelIt has to be supercritical or almost supercritical to work. That's because CO2 only in this state is polar enough to solve cofein.
@eney052211 ай бұрын
As someone with heart problems, this is super interesting to learn about. I used to drink regular coffee, until i realized that the chest pains were not a normal part of the experience. I now have to drink decaf, because most coffee has too much caffeine and it will mess with my heart. Knowing what makes coffee decaffeinated removes some of the uncertainty around decaf, and it makes me feel better about consuming it. Hope to see the SWISS water method in my local stores and coffee shops!
@BlithelyBlue11 ай бұрын
I’m in the exact same boat as you! fully agreed
@marekpejsa996411 ай бұрын
Actually, if you're looking for a coffee, that has low ammonts of caffeine naturaly, than all you need to do is to look up the altitude of the area where the coffee was grown, because higher altitude causes the coffee to contain less caffeine (although, it is usually quiet expensive)
@I-KNIGHT-OF-YOUTUBE-I11 ай бұрын
Fun fact about decaf coffee is there is still 2% caffeine in it meaning is it really decaf or just dirty bean water.
@thecoffee28202 ай бұрын
Nice Sharing 👍
@leeandyleee11 ай бұрын
Hot take but I think Swiss water decaf tastes and smells like bbq chips not to mention it’s on average more expensive for roasters/green buyers. EA/sugarcane process is the way imo
@zackcarey136611 ай бұрын
Couldn’t agree more. Recently went to a cupping at an importers office blind cupping Colombia offerings. They had EA on the table and I thought it was just a darker Colombian. Didn’t even know it was decaf
@CL-yp1bs6 ай бұрын
Yessir, Columbia EA Sugarcane Decaf is a good coffee and good process. If proper quality and properly roasted it can not even taste like decaf.
@hrperformance6 ай бұрын
I love decaf. It's been a game changer for me
@Sometimesiwanttoread Жыл бұрын
So why don’t more coffee companies use the Swiss water method? I figure it’s more expensive. I also think this is just a selling point for many higher end coffee companies who want to charge a premium for “Swiss water pressed” decaf coffee.
@karigrandii11 ай бұрын
It actually destroys the taste of the coffee. I think people used to avoid making decaf coffees becasue of this but nowdays theres the the sugarcane method that produces a much more flavorful cup. I talked with some roasters that won the decaf of the year here and they explain all about it. Basically they said thats the only way decaf should be made to get people to drink it.
@zackcarey136611 ай бұрын
Swiss Water Process is a patented process from a facility in Vancouver. They are one more middle man that adds an extra cost
@rileywestbrook11 ай бұрын
What @karigrandii said. Sugarcane method = EA = tastiest decaf method imo. Swiss water just ain’t it. Completely stripped of interesting flavor compounds, harder to roast. EA is the way.
@marshallosantos903511 ай бұрын
I’m glad you explained this. I’ve had some so called decaf that was the equivalent of an espresso shot. Their regular coffee was something else. I was wide awake and dehydrated 😂😂😂. That was from a small coffee stand I visited in Colombia.
@piercepluenneke743810 ай бұрын
If you're dossolving caffeine, you're dissolving other molecules in the coffee. Sone of which contribute to the taste of the coffee. I highly doubt using water will leave the coffee unaltered.
@sgtwhisker2611 ай бұрын
I don’t even know why I’m watching the video. I don’t even like coffee, but I'm watching it anyway, and I’m learning something new about decaffeinated coffee
@luisb71077 ай бұрын
Well today most of decaff coffee is made by extraction with supercritical CO2 wich is a total safe solvent so its a great process and you can use the extracted caffein afterwards, which is not possible with the swiss water method where the caffein gets bound to activated charcoal which needs to be disposed of afterwards...
@red_redical Жыл бұрын
How does the Swiss water process work? Like what happens during it?
@AbbotCoffee Жыл бұрын
We use the Swiss Water Process remove caffeine by gently soaking green beans in a water solution for just over 8 hour. The solution absorbs caffeine from the beans, and is then repeatedly carbon filtered until 99.9% of the caffeine is removed. Tastes way better and it’s not toxic 😊
@ratherinteresting545711 ай бұрын
@@AbbotCoffee a 'water solution'? Is it water, or isn't it? That's not a particularly clear answer...
@benmurphy574111 ай бұрын
Sus
@max1310211 ай бұрын
Water solution just means water would be your solvent. Don't think it means much else.
@VMCoffeeLab11 ай бұрын
@@ratherinteresting5457my thoughts exactly!! These companies are shady so you have to catch phrases like this. Why would it be called a "solution" if it's simply water? Yeah there's something else in there that they don't have to declare probably since it's a low percentage of the "solution" but nonetheless from that phasing I would assume there is more than water being used.
@sembalo177611 ай бұрын
As one who prefers decaf if possible i love this, thank you!
@tobyk-b63039 ай бұрын
There is also decaf that is just from being grown at high altitudes and having active pest control, since caffeine is only in coffee beans to deter pests, higher altitude = less bugs (same reason why active pest control leads to less caffeine)
@jaredrigdon35827 ай бұрын
Dcm(same as methylene chloride) isn't banned, tho. And it's very volatile and easily evaporated away at low temperatures. I used dcm almost every week in my labs. It is very canerous, dont get me wrong, but it's not present in any significant concentration to be harmful. Just because a chemical is used in a process doesn't mean that the product is bad for you.
@Queekusme3 ай бұрын
Some companies have grown caffeine free coffee beans however these are usually more expensive
@peterkotan107411 ай бұрын
AND supercritical CO2! The science behind very interesting!
@AlKohaiMusic7 ай бұрын
All decaf processes work in roughly the same way and will have some amount of impact on the flavor in the cup. They are all of equitable safety for the final product, and the misnomer of chemical solvents as distinct from water is faceitious. Water is a chemical compound that acts as a polar-solvent. Tis chemical. Also, at that roast level what origin characteristics are we expecting. You'll be tasting the roasting flavor before youd notice decaffination flavors.
@rawrkinsrawr300711 ай бұрын
Fun fact water is. . . A chemical dun dun dun!
@demetergrasseater11 ай бұрын
The point being it's not a HAZARDOUS chemical solvent
@didybopintitys11 ай бұрын
@@demetergrasseater lol I know ya gotta love people pointing out stuff just to sound smart or make someone else sound dumb
@marshallosantos903511 ай бұрын
This Gus just wanted to comment and didn’t listen to understand.
@justalonelypoteto8 ай бұрын
@demetergrasseater oh trust me water can be hazardous, just like DCM. DCM is probably just as safe since it is highly volatile, the paint comparison isn't exactly fair since paint thinner is supposed to contain it, whilst coffee beabs would get heated during production which would make practically all DCM evaporatorate. I could use that same logic for swiss water, did you know water carves canyons? it's ridiculously dangerous, that's why it's controversial to point a pressure washer at your bestie's face
@06howea18 ай бұрын
We’re more nerdy than you think we are. We want to hear about how the Swiss water method works.
@ashenr1der11 ай бұрын
The swiss method uses dihydrogen monoxide, a chemical that erodes metals! Imagine what it does to the body?!
@Christian.h.11 ай бұрын
Guess what water is? A chemical solvent ;)
@Jardsss10 ай бұрын
I'm tired of people just assuming because a chemical is used for something that is dangerous they always conclude that it must be dangerous, remember chemical reacts differently with different chemicals and base on their reaction they can become safer or more dangerous
@TheVeryMadPad10 ай бұрын
It is clear as day that this is an and or paid sponsorship, why isn't this disclosed?
@taylor362110 ай бұрын
Another note: Even decaf can make you jittery, no matter how decaffeinated it is. Had some really good decaf and it kept me awake just like regular coffee.
@itsROMPERS...11 ай бұрын
Caffeine has a taste, is bitter, so decaf coffee tastes different. That's why coffee purists don't like decaf. There is no way to make decaf coffee taste the same, it's like leaving the salt out of a recipe.
@cody619711 ай бұрын
What is that WDT machine called? Lol
@Fritschge12811 ай бұрын
What grinder is that?
@PaulMenden56596 ай бұрын
How though? Caffeine is hydrophobic and does not dissolve well in water. I imagine they must use copious amounts of water and heart leading to high energy consumption?
@Je_QzcY3mN011 ай бұрын
Is that the shit they were cooking meth out of in "Breaking Bad?"
@Yupppi11 ай бұрын
Wait how does the water do that? Usually the good stuff goes with the water and caffeine, into my cup. How do they manage to keep the taste while taking the caffeine?
@adamharika26911 ай бұрын
That grinde looks slick, what’s the name?
@schofsgrind11 ай бұрын
What Grinder is this??
@damkjaer197511 ай бұрын
👀
@jb764898 ай бұрын
“Chemical solvent free. No I don’t know what those words means but idgaf.”
@LaurenceSpector5 ай бұрын
This is not actually water but a “water solution”
@embolobolo423711 ай бұрын
2-4% remaining is 96-98% removal.. your script makes it sound a bit disingenuous to be honest.
@zacharytaylor19010 ай бұрын
Theres also the supercritical carbon dioxide process. It is expensive,but has the lowest flavor impact. Also important to note, supercritical CO2 can be dangerous, since it is highly pressurized, and an asphyxiant. It must be at least 74 bar, or more than 1000psi. An espresso machine is 9 bar, or 130psi. Another benefit of both CO2 and water is that the caffeine extracted can be repurposed for energy drinks or caffeine pills. You might be able to remove the industrial solvent, but it is usually more effort than its work to make it food safe.
@dreadmink857711 ай бұрын
I want recaf coffee
@ViktorNederloe9 ай бұрын
"No bro, im not a coffee addict"
@georgeh50758 ай бұрын
Dihydrogen monoxide is also fatal in high doses
@va1nt10 ай бұрын
caffeine is the reason that i drink coffee but pretty cool
@AmericanChoirboy10 ай бұрын
Eeeewwww ethyl acetate is what we used to use to remove glue buildup on rollers. Its highly flammable and smells like if alchohol got drunk.
@artistictreehgr5 ай бұрын
What is the coffee grinder brand
@kiroky9511 ай бұрын
Sometimes you're left with 2-4% but with this method you're left with ~1%...
@AngelBlood9711 ай бұрын
as if it would even matter in these small percentages of caffeine
@aarocka119 ай бұрын
What about CO2 extraction?
@AustinCarpenter-h8f10 ай бұрын
What grinder is this??
@stopthecap264410 ай бұрын
Yo where did he get that Varia VS3 magnetic wood top?
@DaDaDo66110 ай бұрын
I tjink 99% of decaf in the market uses the swiss water method. I dont think the ither methods have been a concern for decades
@aldarwish9211 ай бұрын
Nice
@kacperrools9 ай бұрын
which grinder is this?
@Sidewalk.Enforcer Жыл бұрын
I am early here. Only 4 comments and 2 replies.
@charlesju531511 ай бұрын
What is that wdt tool?
@jg2467 Жыл бұрын
Does the Swiss water have holes in it that the caffeine fills
@batt3ryac1d10 ай бұрын
It's not chemical solvent free water is a chemical solvent.
@Nocticoff6 ай бұрын
Hello Ryan, I would like to ask you your sincere opinion, how would you compare fellow opus against mhw3B sniper?
@drock833 ай бұрын
Wow, I'm never drinking decaf
@salehabusheikhah684710 ай бұрын
What rocket and grinder are those? WHAT ARE THOSE?
@zadinal10 ай бұрын
So instead of 2% you get 1%. Alright buddy.
@people_wrestling68298 ай бұрын
Cant you also use supercritical co2?
@mdrazzad10 ай бұрын
Ummm actually, decaf coffee still has caffeine in it.
@iCuddleAfter6 Жыл бұрын
Any like beginner tips for coffee people. Let me rephrase I've been drinking coffee for a min but I'm fresh out of college and need a hobby
@blackwing88cyper5111 ай бұрын
water is a chemical so it's not chemical free process
@Pembalap4 ай бұрын
It would be better if the video matches the topic
@cafeine11 күн бұрын
bros don't get fooled by this video, cafeine is good for you :P
@maxk432410 ай бұрын
Fheres also the supercritical CO2 method!
@onradioactivewaves8 ай бұрын
Didnt mention co2
@alexdanovyt903210 ай бұрын
Bitter juice with no purpose 👍 seems legit. (I don't drink coffe)
@nickr9019 Жыл бұрын
Are there espresso machine that does not have the steam wand
@Hkazkaz11 ай бұрын
Where is that tamper from?
@vickywicaksana68098 ай бұрын
What is it again? decaf?
@Kleiner_Lutz6 ай бұрын
People who enjoy decaf also like to watch paint dry... 😜
@S3lvahАй бұрын
Sorry, but... Ethyl acetate (aka. sugarcane process) and Swiss water process both have their proponents and detractors. It's hard to rule definitively in the favor of one or the other. I for one have heard more good things got the former than the latter. Ethyl acetate is also a "natural" ingredient found in fruits. But what's "natural" and what isn't is just emotional marketing and ultimately irrelevant compared to what's safe, ecological and preserves the taste.
@nightshadoew43611 ай бұрын
So the fancy method leaves you with 1% caffine while the other ones leave you with 2%-4% caffine. If you are that intolerant to caffine that you would notice that difference you shouldn’t drink coffee at all
@antonio_fosnjar10 ай бұрын
Sole purpose of coffee is to have caffeine...
@halo4yourmumoof1109 ай бұрын
People freak out over bean water
@Ryantagcoffee9 ай бұрын
I’m not freaking out, are u?
@Karuzo1319 ай бұрын
Sad to inform you but water is a chemical and even a solvenr
@file.c611 ай бұрын
bros making a potion
@06howea18 ай бұрын
Decaf coffee is pure death
@hisokamorrow382811 ай бұрын
Can’t forget sugar cane process!
@karigrandii11 ай бұрын
It’s actually the only method that doesn’t destroy the flavor of the beans according to a local roaster here that won decaf of the year (which tasted amazing). They said explained all the details but basically everyone should just use that method and they said people might now actually switch to decaf because its now possible to make it not taste bad with the sugar cane method
@dudapgg Жыл бұрын
How do they make it tho
@enjoythisjunkiguess841211 ай бұрын
Bro how is something too toxic for fucking paint thinner, it's literally a fucking carcinogen
@anulu-momento11 ай бұрын
Maybe it has a reaction with other stuff in the thinner making a somehow worse for you concoction
@_thisnameistaken10 ай бұрын
Paint thinner evaporates into the air when you use it, so you breathe in the toxic fumes. When this solvent is used for decaffeinating coffee, it is removed from the final product so will not be toxic.
@enjoythisjunkiguess841210 ай бұрын
It's a O. K J. E
@_thisnameistaken9 ай бұрын
@@enjoythisjunkiguess8412 wasn’t funny then. I see people like you saying the most idiotic things, and when they are proven wrong, it’s all “wa wa it’s just a joke you got pranked bro 💀💀💀🗿🗿🗿”
@enjoythisjunkiguess84129 ай бұрын
@@_thisnameistaken sounds like an opinion bozo (one that I don't care for)
@klaytonhulsberg4059 Жыл бұрын
What WDT is that?
@jbstans11 ай бұрын
Came here for this question!
@VardhanShrivastava11 ай бұрын
Why even drink coffee if you don't want the caffeine?
@karigrandii11 ай бұрын
Taste? I usually hate the caffeine buzz sometimes its fine but I love the taste
@ultraslan48386 ай бұрын
…but the swiss water process is a big waste of water 😮
@BestYear20162 ай бұрын
Why always 99.99%
@DerMikroHD10 ай бұрын
Or you just use critical point decaffeinating
11 ай бұрын
This is extremely false. The most widely used method used currently is extraction with supercritical CO2, which leaves no residues whatsoever.
@fritzmuller800110 ай бұрын
What’s the point
@Jacke310 ай бұрын
Why even drink decaf?
@kickstand84757 ай бұрын
Decaf coffee is not coffee tea
@Krishworldd5 ай бұрын
Better drink hot water...iam not spending extra money for decaffeinated & lactose intolerant 🎉
@Krishworldd5 ай бұрын
Good to know 😅
@Sphyxx9 ай бұрын
Why drink decaf?? Coffee tastes awful as is and now you take the only thing its good for out of it?