How is Endwalker stacking up against other expansions?

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[@Fndlord]

Arthars said it best man, the game NEEDS more mid core content. Zepla isn’t wrong I saying what she said. I’m waiting for the Xemo reaction 😂.

[@anteprs7908]

sure it might need it but the focus this expantion was causal you knwo the mayority of players.

[@vaan_]

​@@anteprs7908 "Casuals" have been able to afk in limsa since day one. This expac 2,5 years worth of content for casuals is 3 variant dungeons, 30 floors of copy-pasted heaven-on-high and a spreadsheet simulator with no gameplay (island sanctuary). If they cared about casuals they'd add actual stuff for them to do, at their skill level, instead of nearly nothing.

[@teemopanda02]

Just wanted to say, as a casual player I also did not like EW when compared to the others. I could overlook issues in ShB because the story was amazing, and COVID was a new time for everyone, so content incosistency was pretty much expected at such a rough time. EW has no excuses for its quality@@vaan_

[@yeetusdeleetus4697]

@@anteprs7908 bro omg you never stop, youre in every comment feed spewing your filth, get a job bro lmaoo

[@Longlius]

​@@anteprs7908 When streamers talk about 'midcore', they mean 'stuff a casual can reasonably do without scheduling a group or PFing but will still be challenging enough to make them feel satisfied.' Midcore *is* the casual content. The current crop of 'casual' content is for some class of hyper-casuals who I'm not even sure exist.

[@NoreoNC]

Stormblood deserves better

[@carbonide1290]

Its the ShB babies hating on it. Never got to experience all the content and not to mention events it had when it was current. Or combat for that matter.

[@SILVERONIN]

Always been my fav expansion for eureka and ivalice alone, plus I liked the grounded political plot. Oh yh and the music 🔥🔥

[@cynthiahembree3957]

That doesn't make the story great though. Whenever people say ShadowBringers was better it's in regards to narrative which I would agree with. However I also would agree the content and the quality of said content was peak in Stormblood. There is obviously a reason they decided to go a different direction though. I can't say what that is but I understand most of the players don't have the amount of time to play that I do.

[@dingding12321]

I really liked Abyssos as a pf andy tbh, and don't like Anabaseios haha. Everyone in pf hates p9s's impromptu soccer matches, even reclear parties. p10s was hard enough to feel like it was almost as hard as p8s while also feeling like a gear check as the 2nd raid in the tier?... Now I've been completely unmotivated to prog P11 for months bc I heard it's a complete non-raid for dps and I'm not blown away by the final boss regardless of what that fight actually is. The stories of Endwalker I've really like though; it's pretty much 2 separate stories at this point and I'm all for it. There isn't a need for one epic new adventure each given expansion imho. I also liked how often they used story beats from previous expansions; hopefully they do that more often!

[@in2it85]

*If you are a MMO-Veteran, you will Quit because of boredom before the fun "Endgame".* *If you are a MMO-Casual/Beginner, you will Quit when you finally reach "Endgame".* *You see the problem here right?* 🤣

[@OldManInternet]

YoshiP and the team has built up enough goodwill with me that I'll 100% jump right into Dawntrail and hope for the best. But if it's also kind of a flop, then I'll start treating them with the same skepticism that I give a lot of other game devs that ultimately betrayed my trust.

[@Raionhardt]

What goodwill? They make like 30mil a month and you're telling me they can't build a larger/more competent team to bring out content in a timely manner?

[@brennanlable]

@@Raionhardt thats square's descision at the end of the day. squarenix are the geniuses that think splitting a director between 3 jobs is a good idea. they've been behind every failure so far so it shouldn't be a surprise they're holding back their IP's now.

[@coolyeh1017]

​@@Raionhardtyou also have to remember that Square eats the money and throws whatever leftovers or allocations back to CBU3. Yoshi P does have some sway due to his reputation but he has mentioned fighting the executives a few times. The fact we have no real in game microtransations outside of level skips and story skips (requested by the community btw, they were not there initially and Yoshi P was skeptical about the success until people kept buying them) and glam/furniture is because when fought back. It is implied from questions and interviews that the Mogstation was the compromise such that Yoshi P will have his creative freedom while generating extra revenue which goes back to the team. For example the EU servers are a result from Mogstation funds, not Square investing in their game.

[@OldManInternet]

@@Raionhardt Goodwill as in I still believe they can put out a better product, and will trust them to do so with the next expansion. Vs companies like Blizzard or Bethesda, where I give them no credit based on the name anymore, and wait to see what the community impression is on anything they put out before considering it.

[@Raionhardt]

@@coolyeh1017 CBU3 is a part of square enix. people defending the FF team only enables squenix to continue to gut them. nobody is being helpful by always defaulting to "well Yoshi is just a part of CBU3 its square's fault"

[@gerh5884]

Endwalker feels like Shadowbringer season 2, instead of its own expansion

[@Keorvane]

I don't watch arthars stream anymore but his rant is GREAT! Thanks editor ^^

[@haleynaga5671]

after 15, i def can see noone want to do next numbered game and they saw yoshi p cooking some action game and decide it will be main line numbered (disclaimer: only words from my ass)

[@ZurVirus]

GREAT VIDEO YOU ARE 100% RIGHT !!

[@celfhelp]

i think the big reason SB gets so dismissed is simply because it didn't come after ARR the jump from Heavensward to Stormblood was never going to be as extreme as the jump from ARR to Heavensward and frankly i just see Shadowbringers and Endwalker as two parts of the same expansion but i do think Covid + FFXVI were big wrenches tossed into the machine; i mean shit, SE literally fucked FFXV because they tried stretching Nomura too thin, and now they're nearly doing it with Yoshi-P and his entire team. i just hope the XVI dlc doesn't take too big a toll on XIV

[@Zoeila]

No it gets dismissed because they did ala mhigo dirty

[@DeadEye935]

Endwalker has good content but most of it is one and done or pretty small scale stuff. If anything, the fact that the content is really good makes the lack of no real long term goals to work towards just stick out more. If the content was bad, people would complain about that over a lack of reasons to do it. One good thing though is that since none of the content requires a whole community behind it to function, it'll age really well.

[@MoogleMog]

In the end its all about retention, they gotta give us reasons to come back to new and old content again and again, heck if the next expansion focuses on making old content replayable I'm all for it, starting with variant dudgeon, ether add it to que or so something that add replayability to it.

[@MarcosBurgosR]

When people say Stormblood is the worst they probably just mean the story. Overall content wise it's probably the best.

[@yanmew]

I don't know if it was FF16 or something else but you could really tell they were stretched thin this expac

[@TomRupert]

I hope that means they're focusing so much on DawnTrail edit: /sniffs copium

[@ricardocordoba5354]

@@TomRupert copium

[@erogami6459]

@@TomRupert when have they ever break the formula and put in extra effort

[@anggasurbakti8269]

​@@TomRupertbad news, SE just announce 2 DLC for FF16 so expect the same thing

[@ArchieGamez]

Strecthed thin? The fuck we didnt even have 2 ultimates and no deep dungeon last time

[@Flamec45]

Couple the lacking game state with homogenization making some classes like SMN imo super boring the game just doesnt feel as good to play

[@TheHomiekid]

#justice4oldSMN

[@astorant7084]

I think when you put it into perspective, Stormblood despite its pretty bad MSQ it’s undeniable it’s probably the best expansion based on shear amounts of content in the game, although the quality of said content is questionable at best (Four Lords, Trials, (Imo)Omega and Duo Omega).

[@LightSummoner84]

it is undeniably the best extension for the pve and this in an incomparable way. but hey, the game evolves for better or for worse and each opinion is divergent.

[@xehant7319]

The 4 lords were meh but Omega even if you didn't played old FFs you could still enjoy a lot

[@astorant7084]

@@xehant7319 the Omega series itself I thought was great but I just can’t stand the last two fights because of random bullshit in both.

[@astorant7084]

@@LightSummoner84 for real bro, like I say despite it’s mid MSQ SB is probably the most content rich expansion even if it’s not my favourite.

[@LightSummoner84]

The problem with Stormblood is that the expansion felt like a significant political shift between Heavensward and Shadowbringers. It also involved resolving a conflict in two separate zones with numerous and diverse characters, which, in my opinion, made the expansion's main storyline less popular. Some parts, like the Ruby Sea, had particularly slow and tedious pacing. In terms of PvE content and job balancing, as well as catering to both casual and hardcore players, it's widely regarded that Stormblood was the best expansion. The game struck a good balance, providing challenges that were neither too easy nor too difficult, accommodating a wide range of PvE preferences.

[@HarumiYu]

The first week of Endwalker and as soon as the firs tier dropped, I remember I said to my friend "Man, EW makes SB look good". I miss the mechanic aspect of the contents, the new Alliances raids for example, are just a sponge damage, there is zero management with adds, role mechanics and things going on like Ivalice, the game needs to focus up better in the feeling aspect to do stuff, and not only hardcore stuff, because lets be honest, the game nowadays is only interesting when an Ultimate drops, to go and do the content, it is miserable to wait I don't know how many months, to just one very difficult fight to be able to "have fun". I wish they change the job combat, but looks like they found their sweet spot, so I do not know if they will change this, very unlikely, but I wish, Endwalker does not feel like an expansion, this feels like an Update, and I indeed agree with you and believe that FF16 is what made this expansion so empty. I think that people who will defend any argument are the ones who build their personality over this MMO, and if you critique you are a "hater" and do not understand that we just want the game better, they need more middle content, Criterion was underwhelming because SE does not understand what makes people play is not dropping everything into the Mog Station, for easy access, but we want rewards to have a reason to play the game and do some contents, hence Criterion like I have mentioned. Anyway, I feel bad for the path the game is taking, and I hope they start to have numbers damaged and their pockets with a little less penny, so they start change something.

[@coolyeh1017]

According to Lucky Brancho numbers (inaccurate but it is the best we got) the average trend line is higher than normal for EW even now. ShB is weird because of the WoW exodus. But essentially we see that their player base is increasing rather than decreasing. If DT has lower participation then they might reconsider somethings. They obviously know that XIV has a rather large barrier to entry hence the refining of ARR dungeons to fit the modern era, the new solo duties are also pretty decent and revamping of ARR MSQ dungeons too. Graphics is also the first thing people notice in a game so they are working on that too which likely are tons of resources, not to mention Yoshi P having his attention divided between two AAA games. Of course you have the player drop at the end patches but expect that number to pick up as DT marketing and DT itself starts coming. XIV like it or not has found its niche, a company loves it when they find their formula and unlikely to get as bad as WoW with the BFA/SL debacle on top of the sexual harassment/assault suits and a CEO so slimy as Kotick yet making hundreds of millions.

[@drayman101]

If FF16 had any effect on the development of FF14 content, it would have affected Shadowbringers too. But the reality is, it didn't affect either expansion because the two games have separate development teams, the exception being Yoshi-P and Soken working on both projects. I respect the hell out of Yoshi-P and Soken, but let's be real: their attention being split across two projects wouldn't cause the type of decline in quality we've seen. After all, they're just two people among dozens of others in their respective roles on the dev team.

[@coolyeh1017]

@@drayman101 I mean sort of? I know that EW did affect FFXVI's release cycle. However, it was mentioned that they shuffled devs between the games as they saw fit, so when XVI needed manpower they would take XIV members who were done with their tasks for XVI, and vice versa. Of course, it isn't like they were plucking random devs between the projects, it was likely taking devs or people with necessary skill sets for specific tasks (i.e. the graphics and engine people from XIV to XVI then to XIV since they run on the same engine but XVI's is massively upscaled, it is likely believed that the graphical update to XIV was because the team got experience in upscaling the graphics/textures from their work in XVI). Also, remember that when ShB was dropped planning for EW was in its early stages and they likely used current trajectory analysis to formulate EW's content cycle likely accounting for possible reduced manpower to get XVI done and transition back later, but we have no real information until we get the team to tell us what happened. Furthermore, it is also possible more devs time was taken from EW patch cycle once 6.0 was finished because the end development cycle tends to be the "crunch" time in the industry. This possibly means fewer devs for actual patch content, but really I think the bulk of the work went back to the Duty Support/Trusts for all the dungeons, reworking every single MSQ dungeon and required ARR MSQ dungeon/now formerly meme encounters for said purpose and the graphical update which is a massive undertaking since they have to go back and update five expansions worth of assets and textures.

[@siawenxuan353]

I think besides FF16 (which besides Soken and Yoshi-P i dont think that their management for their staffs will be strecthed so far apart that it will affect FF14's content cycle), I do think the rework of the old dungeon for trusts does also play a part on their content structure for EW. Not sure how much it affects it though, hopefully Drawntrail will have more content as the old content rework is done on 6.5 (since Shb and EW's trusts are implemented on patch).

[@jean-sebastienpigeon3307]

Thanks for speaking up. They definitely need to shake up the formula a bit going forward especially for another 10 years. Everything is so stale right now, the releases are so predictable etc... The dev team needs to break out of their comfort zone bubble and create something exciting for the players. An MMORPG with no sense of character progression still feel very strange to me.

[@DoppelgangerTH]

Imagine if they continue the same formula for 10 years. I'm feeling sick just thinking about it.

[@samwilkinson9309]

I am actually on the same page as Arthas about expansions, SB was great and the others have felt lacking outside of story

[@lolcat5303]

Well they're doing 16 DLCs now too... can't see that not absorbing more of their time. Yoshi's comments on turn based weren't even accurate when he made them but then you had a very successful turn-based RPG come out just after 16 and it looks even stupider. 16 is not even a great action game imo. Combat is not even particularly great for an action game.

[@vaan_]

Boss fights are the best part of the game's combat, and having field areas full of alliance raid bosses that you can hop in and out whenever you want was just so fun. Despite the garbage decisions on the relic grind, Bozja was still amazing just to play. Criterion doesn't fill in that hole and that's why the expac feels so empty They're promising a lot for 7.X that could make it redemptive compared to Endwalker, but if they can't deliver then I do believe the game will go into maintenance mode, with 8.0 being a "mini expac"

[@Sairagna]

Only bad part of Bozja was how brown everything was, needed more colour. Otherwise it was my favourite content in shadowbringers.

[@TheExcessus]

as a player that levled up during last part of ShB and didn't unlock Bozja until last year, it was way overhyped imho. It is just grinding, an artificial time-sink...

[@occiderisaethiopissa3702]

The problem is, a lot of people complained about Bojza and Eureka and a lot of people in the JP community complained about them and complained really loudly about Bojza and Eureka so the development team listening and thought people didn't want them again. Sometimes the fans don't know what they want until it's gone.

[@Cassandra_Solidor]

@@occiderisaethiopissa3702 To be fair, a lot of people also liked both Eureka and Bozja. Unfortunately, the dev team has a habit of listening to the wrong side of the playerbase. Especially when it comes to content supposedly being "too hard". Case in point, jobs are in the sorry state they're in almost entirely due to them dumbing them down every single expansion to make it easier on little Timmy.

[@teemopanda02]

I mean it was supposed to be a literal warzone, so that's kind of expected.@@Sairagna

[@Kyle81290]

People just call Stormblood the worst expansion because the story was mid. But content wise and class wise, it was the best expansion. I don't care what anyone says, EW story was worse than Stormblood's.

[@TheDraco175]

Stormblood was the worst in terms of main story and the best in terms of side content.

[@xviii5780]

Dude Raktika was the definition of filler, and the trolley quests. Shb had at least as much filler as EW, if not more.

[@ramon6783]

Giving my thoughts as an Endwalker MSQ lover and thinking it wrapped a 10 year journey amazingly despite **everything** I did feel its beat by beat experience felt a little less than more cohesive stories like Stormblood and Shadowbringers. EW is strongest when you contextualize your whole journey, a little less when you take it as itself. I think an issue with EWs development as well is that the team is kind of split right now with recovery from.COVID and production of FF16. I do feel that after the EW MSQ ive been hanging more in places from older expacs rather than EW. Since a great chunk of the game is there. EWs vets are also so much more toxic than when you encounter folks in earlier expacs because there's like an expectation of you to be knowledgeable already and you're swimming with the current raiders. I'll maintain that FF14 still needs to go a long way to make it feel like an MMO you wanna live in longer. Like Runescape, Guild Wars 2, ESO. Theres so much rich lore in the expac areas, but theyre so unused after the MSQ or Hunts. I hope them improving servers will allow them to safely manage and spread the playerbase's data so they can invest more on a more explorable world. Endwalker felt a little too linear.

[@teemopanda02]

As an MSQ andy, I feel like EW isn't good if you exclude ShB. A lot of the more hype moments were because of the story pieces and characters introduced in ShB. There were also many "filler" moments in EW, and inconsistencies with the plot at times. Elpis and Ultima Thule were the best done sections imo. ShB was more or less a fully self contained story. Even if you ignored all previous expansions, you could play ShB and take it as a good story (keep in mind Crystal Tower was originally not needed to do ShB). That's why I would consider it the standard for how an expansion story should be done. Small easter egg like references to past expansions, but could be played independently if you wanted to.

[@xehant7319]

​@@teemopanda02I think you misunderstood something , while you're completely right about the relation between ShB and EW at the end of EW I had the feeling it made ShB even better than EW being good due to ShB

[@teemopanda02]

To put it simply,: SB aced endgame content but had a mid story; ShB had mid endgame content (except DSR, which was supposed to be released during this) but aced the story (also the covid context is important here, especially as Japan was hit pretty hard in terms of production, etc.); EW did both but excelled in neither.

[@DawnAfternoon]

I disagree on EW's endgame content. EW absolutely aced the endgame content and is right up there with Stormblood. What they fell short on was casual/midcore content, which both SB and ShB did excellently.

[@CheesyRavs]

I think the biggest issue with EW is that all of the patch cycle content is complete able within a week. No point to do Criterion after 1 clear. Deep dungeon offers little xp (so no point to rerun it a lot) and was completed within a week. Island sanctuary was figured out quickly within the week. Relics were done day 1 of release. PVP was fun, but I only played it for a week tbh, I'll accept arguments on this on tho. Raids were done and on farm (like usual) within a week or 2 for a portion of the playerbase. The only content that took longer than a week is Ultimates and not every one does ultimates. It just sucks if you want to play 14 and all you have is capping tomes and reclearing raids. I just want more reasons to play it but it gives me no reason to play longer than a week. So many people are just going to leave after 6.5 since there is nothing to do unless you want to do ultimates or you're a new player doing old content.

[@LightSummoner84]

The perspectives in the video were interesting and accurate. It's refreshing compared to seeing absurd comments from people who can't tolerate differing opinions. Instead of presenting reasoned arguments, they resort to personal attacks on videos, forums, etc., just because others don't share the same viewpoint as them. Idon't watch Zepla's content, but my goodness, people can be needlessly mean towards someone who shares a different opinion, and this doesn't contribute to any constructive progress, quite the opposite.

[@24hr-Gaming]

Criterion is decent midcore content but the lack of rewards means that once you clear it there is no reason to go back. There needs to be something there like exclusive gear or glams that make it worth farming. Or even twines/shines so it's an alternative way to gear up alts. But Endwalker has I think okay ideas but not great execution. The overall story is only okay. Shadowbringers was a lot better and it's to the point where if I cutscene skip to unlock content on day 1, I don't really care. Roulettes are awful. No offense, but I think it does need to be called out that on expansion launch the first set of dungeons were decent to good with Dead Ends and Tower of Zot having a nice amount of difficulty, but dungeons after that have been mostly garbage. I understand the content is for casuals but there's casuals and there's blind person rolling on their keyboard level of difficulty and that has been all of the post expansion dungeons. I outright hate Expert and that's saying something after going through Matoya forever. I would take Matoya back over most of the recent dungeons. Making all of the dungeons two monster pack into boss is so boring. All the dungeons feel too similar now. Other than that Savage has been okay. The story was pretty bad though and the boss designs could have been better. There were some standout bad ones like the tree, but the spider and juiced carbuncle were fun. Yeah the expansion is just mid. Crystalline Conflict was a really cool addition though.

[@GoatOfWar]

The lack of rewards makes me not even want to do it once tbh. Feels like a waste of time not working towards anything.

[@vaderglenn]

I clear both Criterion and savage versions once and never go back in again. I'd farm it more at least Criterion but like bro the mount is so worthless to me. I don't need gil so selling it is pointless, and the mount itself has been awful both times. There needs to be a more fun alternative bis coming from it since you want to use savage bis to clear the thing in the first place. Twines, shines, literally anything v.v else.

[@rinnnnnnnnnnrin]

Endwalkers story is definitely the weakest for me, arr doesnt count since it was all world building so im fine with how it was... for the most part

[@ebrioboy5000]

honestly the most fun i've had since 6.1 outside of dsr is the current moogle tresure trove and that for me is a BIG problem with the expack

[@TCChavez]

I think the ew content is lazy and safe

[@RecklessCV]

Criterion has some amazing mechanics, but generally 4 man content requires more personal responsibility, if you have a weak link it's very noticeable. Savage alliance raids in my opinion are better, You get to prog with people you normally don't get to play with. Fights are designed around 50 people, most peoples responsibility is just staying alive, and the mounts are way cooler. It's why people are very nostalgic about large raids back in Vanilla and TBC WoW.

[@Ryu_Makkuro]

With the way EW relics are done, you can really tell that Yoshi-P takes the "I want people to play other games than XIV" very seriously. It's clearly optimized for people that are in statics and don't want to play more than that, as the raiding itself will passively get them the tomestones required for relics. So they log in, raid, and log out. With all previous expansions, relics were always a long-term grind goal, sometimes revitalizing previous expansion content, which was great. ShB genuinely did relics the best. You had an entirely new area to farm for the long term but almost every step had an alternative way of doing it. The main thing however was that it was a great filler content to incentivise playing the game after raiding or simply give something to do for those that do not raid. Not everyone wants to play other games at all times, sometimes you really just want to play XIV a lot... and with EW if you're done in any way, shape, or form with raiding... there's no reason to do so, which is sad. If relic content is done as passive content, then a huge incentive to play the game is lost, as glamour is the true end-game motivator for the vast majority of us who actually want to play XIV.

[@24hr-Gaming]

So as someone who right now is in the raid and log out camp the problem for me is the content feels very stale. I hate roulettes. CC has long queue times. So the only content left for me is casual ultimate pfing, leveling crafters, mount farming, and farming money for next expansion. And I don't feel any urgency to do any of that so I just put it off. And besides mount farming and ult pfing, the content is more tedious than fun.

[@anteprs7908]

vast moyority is bs most ppl (causals) love the current relics and they are great beforeo yu could do one relic per expantion tos 2 or 3 but it took AGES now it finally casual freindly and it not locked behind midcore players.

[@coolyeh1017]

Essentially what the team ironically did was listen to the playerbase. I remember there being more complaints than praises for Bozja and Eureka even though they fixed some of the problems. There was an interview or two by the team on Eureka and Bozja and that many man-hours were deticated to these zones. It is possible it was a case of "wait, the players don't like what we did after spending so much time on it? Fine, we will do something else." And that is exactly what they did. Instead of Exploratory content we got (according to them) three pieces of content, Eureka Orthos, Island Sanctuary, and Criterion/Variant. So "more content" in terms of quantity but not as grindy or deep as Eureka or Bozja. Hildebrand is the end game of optimization. Yoshi P has mentioned this before that the playerbase will optimize the shit out of the game this rendering al lthe extra effort pretty meaningless. From a project manager perspective, which Yoshi P is (and one of the best in the industry) this makes perfect sense. Or it could be that they wanted to test some ideas, like inherently Island Sanctuary where you can customize your island a bit with outdoor furniture, or Variant dungeon adding lore, or Criterion being highly requested 4-man difficult content but the execution falls in some ways but the potential is still there and the team has said they will continue working on it in Dawn Trail so who knows maybe they go the formula more refined. Eureka wasn't great initially but got better in the later zones and the buffs/nerfs.

[@Ryu_Makkuro]

@@coolyeh1017 Yeah, they did indeed listen, but at the same time it feels like they listened to the negative entirely unobjective feedback from the community, considering that there was some real good objective stuff said about Bozja. The problem isn't that we didn't got another Bozja/Eureka, it is that the current relics don't force you to do any other content in the game. What they prevent however is you doing any older content outside of the daily roulette bonus, since you need to be lvl 90 job doing lvl 90 content to get the tomestones. So you can't even use the roulette's to level up your other jobs. The optimisation part is only really true for the hardcore raiders. Most people take their time with relics, one or two weapons at a time, it definitely was more of a long-term content aimed at casuals more than hardcore people. Island Sanctuary is definitely a content for a long term improvement. Criterion and Variant meanwhile, I feel they are a big miss so far. I was absolutely uber hyped about them when they mentioned them, finished every entry for the first one and then started criterion... and... yeah, it was a glorified Alexander raids or 4 man alliance raids, depending how you want to look at it. But definitely not a dungeon. Was genuinely hoping it would be some massive pulls with boss mechanics thrown into the mix, leading to a single boss at the end, alas, from just a single prog session on that Rodent I lost all interest in Variant and Criterion to the point I did the new one once... and didn't bother at all again, despite the furniture I want being locked behind the criterion one. It genuinely feels as if the entire game was saying "STOP PLAYING ME". Which is sad cause I want to play it.

[@xehant7319]

​@Ryu_Makkuro I agree with you for the fact it's not forcing you to do anything but also I realized something about Bozja, a certain stage of the relic is straight up dead with delubrum because a lot if ppl don't care anymore about this, I wanted to make the stage for my SAM without going to a specific discord it took me 3 months to do it because if you're just 3 it's the same as being alone. With the EW one you don't need to do something specific like this but it's not the right way and it's kinda why I like HW relics doesn't need THAT much in term of people but you can still do the majority alone

[@justingriffin2360]

Although not a lot of content I think the major w for EW was the msq which I personally enjoyed the most

[@codediax]

I liked Stormblood. Gameplay felt great, Just all around great. If we dive into msq, didn't like Ala Mhigo arc but Doma arc was cool for me. Everything else was ++ SHB best msq of all the expansions but didn't like most of the job changes, that felt awkward. Bozja, Zadnor critical engagements were fun but didn't really care for the trials/raids. EW felt like crap from start to current patch. Zodiark 83 trial?? Anima dungeon trash?? Doubling down on shb job design? Dumbing down pvp?? Barely resonated with anything in EW. DT is gonna be make or break and I don't see them changing the status quo in DT so who knows.

[@GerardSharkey]

Hate what was done to summoner. The only job I loved turned into something way too simple to play.

[@dragumkirisute1998]

Bruh, before endwalker summoner was not summoner. It was basically green mage from FF Tactics Advanced. Which isn't good. Summoner while easy to play, it's actually lore accurate lol

[@GerardSharkey]

@@dragumkirisute1998 I don't care about that. My favourite job was deleted. It was the most satisfying to play. I care more about the gameplay than the lore.

[@user-uv4wn2xx7o]

I think yoshi p said that Endwalker was going to be “very rewarding”. I think he meant towards everything in general, because it’s the last expansion to the original story, so in terms thing would be easier.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

I think most of the FFXIV Endwalker content was developed during COVID 19 pandemic, so its understandable if the scope was reduced. I also think the development of FF 16 affected this expansion.

[@magus9180]

Stromblood = Boring Story but best Content.

[@pedromoreira6218]

ngl i started noticing this at around 6.1 when we were getting less content and i was loging in less and less not to mention the quality control of the game had absolutely tanked and i was told it was on me not teh game i eventually started not even logging in and tbh i dont think il be back for 7.0 till i actually see that its substancial

[@Dark_Cecil]

I started in Stormblood with a friend and we both cleared the savage tiers during the Stormblood life cycle. The one thing that I feel Stromblood did right was the job skills/skill ceiling was at a good spot. Shadowbringers was good and you can see what they were trying to do, but now everyone wants to Tank and it is a mess. Back during Stormblood, Tanks were there, of course, but it felt more impactful to do well and to perform well. Now it is just flip on your stance and argue to who is Main Tank/Off tank with provoke spam.

[@CWFDSmokeEater]

Homogenizing classes is a dogshit idea, and the fact that they keep doing it just shows how out of touch they are.

[@SILVERONIN]

Funny enough Stormblood is the best expansion as a TOTAL PACKAGE while Endwalker is by far the weakest! Dawntrail will decide whether I carry on with 14 or give it up. EW killed my vibe!

[@occiderisaethiopissa3702]

They need to come out swinging with announcements at the UK fanfest, I really think there is a mentally within SE, they're taking it for granted people will keep subscribing and playing.

[@SILVERONIN]

@@occiderisaethiopissa3702 yep they have become too complacent because of the community's blind faith. The UK and Japanese fanfest better show things that can breathe life into the game, some unique content we never seen before.

[@Revonlieke]

I think ultimately the devs just want current players of XIV to all the major content within the current full game. People literally just joined with Endwalkers release and even someone like me who has close to 4000 hours in the game have skipped Eureka and Bozja entirely. And that's content that keeps these new players entertained. Sure it means that experienced players have nothing to do in the end-game, but ultimately I think it's the best choice, otherwise people would not only have NY player activity for Eureka or Bozja while trying to catch up, because most people re doing the current things and these two instanced content would become even more optional than they already are.

[@LePinkPony]

I think it's the other way around. I think the devs really don't want people to have chronic FOMO to the point of bitterness, so they make content completely unattached to everything and reduce the rewards to basically a pat on the head and a "good job champ". Which like... if you spend enough time talking to people who play casually, that FOMO happens anyway, and now that they've tried catering to that they've kneecapped people who actually strive to do a wide variety of things in game. It's a bit sad.

[@Revonlieke]

@@LePinkPony All I really meant is that it's fine EW doesn't have that the end game grinds like Eureka and Bozja, simply because of Dawntrail. Let people finish up whatever non-sense is available in the current game so that they are ready when Dawntrail hits. That said, Dawntrail needs to be larger than any expansion to-date not only because of the shortcomings of Endwalker, but because of the expectations and hype going to it. It can't "just" be 6 areas and no full on end-game grinds like an MMO would normally have. If it's just another storyfocused Endwalker exansion, people are gonna be soooo pissed.

[@BenderBendingRodriguezOFFICIAL]

Stormblood was complete trash what are you saying. Shadowbringers was good but short, heavensward was the best.

[@Crowens]

What's so bad about Stormblood?

[@AHylianWarrior]

Post-Endwalker is the worst post-game content I've played through, I gotta be honest. They had something with the void but then they had to shove their FF4 nostalgia boner in to the main story instead of it being side content. Why do I have to do an 8 man every single patch?? The first two dungeons was really promising then they were like "nuh uhh you got to play FF4 now". Aetherfont was different somewhat but the boss designs were literally just "fish but dog, bear but with crystals, giant octopus". The Endwalker MSQ was lacking focus like you said and lets be real, the final boss was a joke of a character lol Just appears suddenly 2/3rds in to the game and is apparently the cause of all the horrors happening and why the Final Days happened?? Like what?? Why did she have to be a reason and not something like "they thought themselves as gods but they brought their own apocalypse with their greed for magic" or something, not some depresso spaghetto bird girl

[@phoenixalpha9145]

7.0 is going to suck because of FF7 Remake Part 2.

[@dragumkirisute1998]

What? Is Yoshi P also working on that as well? 🤔

[@Fndlord]

Okay okay, I see you with the Asmongold graphs 😂.

[@Esotaric08]

why is DSR a shadowbringer ultimate?

[@RightbutamIwrong]

Was set to release in SHB, covid delayed it to endwalker.

[@sadmiqoxiv]

Quality of content and rewards, and a complete disconnect from story characters post 6.0 is what makes endwalker feel so bad. Nothing feels like it matters, content is boring and repetitive. There are no reasons to log in and play more than 1 day a week.

[@themorbidkid187]

I quit the game after 9-10 years of playing, with well over 14k hours clocked in ( and I do not AFK, if i'm logged in, i'm playing the game so those are actual gameplay numbers ). With that said, since the game gained more and more of an audience/playerbase, the less and less fun I found myself having over time. With each new expansion. I feel more and more jobs were dumbed down and made ez mode and fights became much less rewarding. I miss being able to phase skip in fights for having high DPS and being rewarded for you and your party doing their best. I miss most classes feeling more complex and engaging, as where now a lot of jobs are doing the same thing as other jobs just with different animations. The removal of DoT's on most of the jobs just takes away from the fun I used to have. SMN is requires no thought, along with many other classes and it just rly sucks. Also the tome system needs to be changed. In a game where they say, ( play any job on one character ) all while having weekly tome caps and the dumb weekly raid loot lock system, it kinda defeats the purpose. If I want to farm 2000 tomes in a single day, the game should not stop me... If I beat a raid on one job and get a piece of loot for that job I should be able to go back on a different job to try again for a piece of loot for that job as well in the same week without having to make an alt character and should be class locked, not character locked. It is because of these limitations and casual catering of making jobs less complex and braindead. I feel the skill floor for classes is too low, and the skill ceiling is not quite high enough. It is because of this I just do not find fun in this game anymore and have since moved on from FF14. I'm glad new players like the way things are now and ppl are finding fun in the game but for someone like myself who has been around since the beginning It just lost its feel somewhere between the start of Shadowbringers and now near the end of Endwalker.

[@roronoazoro7317]

Here we go again lol

[@manaswin123]

Xepla said it, Arthas said it, plz Yoshi P, plz notice and fix these issue

[@Kuso_yarou]

7.0 will be new start... Copium

[@anteprs7908]

both are raiders and speak for a TINY minority of player raiders and midcore players arent even +15% of the playerbase and to act like there isnt content for them is bs.

[@coolyeh1017]

Likely I think the team has heard the complaints but the problem is that Arthars, Zepla, Xenos, etc opinions are in the minority. They likely have a team that is paid to figure out the calculus and allocations to see if something is worth doing or not. I might see more minor experimentation with content like they did with EW or decide to go fix the backend issues like they did in EW in lieu of content thinking that graphics or people getting tired of the same grindy content are the problems (and they sort of are, first time players notice graphics first and far most). But to significantly deviate a "golden formula" they found might be a pipe dream. Yoshi P and CBU3 have found a damn efficient and consistent pipeline and formula that almost everyone else in the industry cannot match and will continue until FFXIV declines so hard that it hits XI levels or a fall of grace like WoW did (and remember tons of people still play WoW).

[@goropanckechi3028]

​@@anteprs7908Zepla? A raider ? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA she did ultimate and savage since like endwalker bruh

[@anteprs7908]

@@goropanckechi3028 she is a raider and most does hardcore to midcore stuff she is anything but a causal . and doing a ultimate deserve to make a a hardcore by default.

[@Raionhardt]

People need to stop making excuses for a game that has racked in AT LEAST 20-30 million a month in just game sales and subs alone the last 3 years. Youre talking about a billion dollars thats gone to basically 0 content.

[@anggasurbakti8269]

Stop playing then. Easy solution. Exaggeration much, 0 content?

[@Raionhardt]

@@anggasurbakti8269 yeah 0 content. They've done the bare minimum patch to patch. Even less than shadowbringers that had to deal with COVID. Please give me a good reason why the entire graphics update can't even launch on release of dawntrail and has to be spread out

[@anggasurbakti8269]

@@Raionhardt I'm not the dev moron so I cannot answer your technical question. We're talking about contents and you still exaggerating. Bare minimum is not 0, I know several mmos that do much less update than ff xiv, like Runescape with subscription price that close to FF XIV. Also the update is without delay now, in ShB patch 5.3 is delayed 1.5 months and EW have 2 ultimates. Bozja grinding really helps a lot so without that EW is having less contents.

[@anteprs7908]

there is content you jsut dont like it or finished it becuase it lack replayablility

[@Raionhardt]

@@anggasurbakti8269 I don't know why you're calling me a moron. FFXIV should and needs to be way more than it is right now and they have more than enough money to do so. I never enjoyed bozja, but I'm also not currently burnt out on the game. I play pretty regularly. More than anything I would like to see more quality of life updates with the UI and other infrastructure.

[@embDBA]

Adventure plates not in EW pros. Even though it is without a doubt the best thing in the entire expansion

[@Cassandra_Solidor]

In regards to story, EW has far too many lulls and not enough highs even in just the base expansion. Thavnair drags on for so damn long with completely unnecessary lore dumps, Sharlayan isn't much better but at least it's more connected to the main plot. As good as Elpis is, there are points where I was getting a little tired with the sheer amount of info dumping. Yoshida mentioned they originally planned to split EW into two parts with Anima being the conclusion of part 1 but somewhere in development they scrapped that idea. It shows because EW feels so incredibly rushed at times. Garlemald is little more than a footnote despite being one of the stronger segments of the story and the Final Days may as well not exist with how little impact it actually had. I don't dislike Hermes and Meteion as a concept per se but the come out of left field. And for the love of god, Zenos is downright AWFUL. They had absolutely no idea what to do with him and it bloody well shows. I'm dreading the fact we haven't seen a body that he'll be coming back in 7.x at some point because they seem obsessed with him.

[@lev884]

xddBusiness

[@electrogonorhea]

I didnt like 16 since there was no real party system. It felt like i was playing some isekai/adventure op shit.

[@SILVERONIN]

yh it was the biggest letdown of the year

[@davidpower5710]

Feels like im the only the one that liked sb zenos

[@SILVERONIN]

I love SB Zenos!

[@elpanchou]

I like him but I can see why people don't, SE really kinda dropped the ball with him. They made a shonen anime villain and gave him no support cast, and no one to play off except the WoL (a silent protag lol) In Endwalker I don't think they had any idea what they were doing with him, he was just kinda there For me Stormblood was more about Gosetsu and Tsuyu

[@squaresided]

Endwalker was their victory lap. Which 6.0 was a slam dunk. Sadly SE is gonna prod Yoshi & his team for more when they don't wanna move. FFXVII Online should be happening instead. Remember all those WoW refugee streamers? Yeah they scurried back to Blizzard or other games that actually sponsor them. There's just not an "audience" after MSQ unless it's freaks like us and that's due to the content being lackluster. It's pretty sad seeing the old FFXIV streamers SE has given jobs to are just regulated to minimum wage pvp streams and such. Sure the servers are always full and the online store is always popping off. So SE doesn't need to change a thing. We have to accept that it's 9-5 going forward and should look to other avenues to get our fix now. People are still paying monthly for more inventory (retainers) for Pete's sake! It's gg.. Either pay to keep your house or just play during free login campaigns. That's the future.

[@zinogre.-1306]

exitlag third party tools xffing

[@kat8506]

I've can not play ffxiv for more than a few weeks with months of breaks in between

[@coolyeh1017]

Which was the prevailing philosophy when they designed the game.

[@kat8506]

@@coolyeh1017 ok fine but I get kicked out of FCs every time.. rightfully so :D hard to connect to anybody in this MMO

[@teemopanda02]

Same here, which says a lot because I was always busy playing SB and ShB.

[@rinnnnnnnnnnrin]

That graph at the start is... something

[@melissas4874]

I like the SB group content like Ivalice, Eureka, etc. I do NOT like the SB story and I almost quit the game with how boring the story was. The story that went with the Ivalice raids was also boring and is the only story content in the game I have skipped. The EW AR's are okay, but feel very easy in comparison to both ShB and SB's ARs. That said, the story for EW's AR's is better than that for SB and ShB.

[@SumsieBun]

idk what drugs im on but Endwalker was by far my favorite expansion with SB being a distant second. I cried so much after the Hydalyn fight and EW had the perfect ending. Stormblood was a pathetic and annoying storyline with Zenos being the only compelling character. Heavensward was pretty good *shrug*

[@drayman101]

Those are some pretty potent drugs.

[@SumsieBun]

@@drayman101 😂

[@Starrky923]

I'm not sure ffxiv is that good mmorpg nowadays, the value you get every few months for paying a subscription is absolutely dog, 14:50 I would be fine with that if game didn't have subscription, but it does and paying for them to do way less than they should and did in the past is just spit in the face imo and also then they put the 50 usd mounts and 20usd costumes in the store, like dude...

[@coolyeh1017]

It is more about the state of the MMO market than anything. The top three most played MMOs are XIV, WoW and OS RuneScape games released a decade or ago. Sure there are some MMOs like GW2 or ESO with a solid population but everything else to come out within the past decade either became a microtransaction heavy P2W hellfest, flamed out hard, became vaporware, or died out after initial hype. Like it or not FFXIV is one of the best MMORPGs out there and likely will be for a several more years at the minimum due to no good competition.

[@markb1790]

End walker logging in failures for 4 weeks was a dumpster effect that showed they did not have the server hardware to match the copies of the game sold. Cross world killed most in-server communities. FFXIV as a game FAILS to teach its players the class rotations for viable gameplay rotations to succeed in end game yet players just mindlessly chase logs. End game content requires too much time investment. Strap in for a 2nd job worth of time if want to clear a raid in 1 month or slightly more now or longer if you need to pug anything. Huge creep in difficulty over the last 3 expansions as most casual gamers can't easily pull their weight, hell most of them won't take advice and report you lul.

[@BloodStarPrime]

In what world are the Nier raids a con????

[@goropanckechi3028]

Garbage design

[@vaan_]

Boring aesthetic, pathetically easy boss design (Tower literally has the same mechanic in every single encounter besides the 2B clones), abysmal story and an insulting hook that led nowhere with the weekly dwarf quests At least Puppet's Bunker was cool

[@teemopanda02]

They were fun for Nier fans. If you weren't a nier fan, they simply weren't good.

[@ariamachi]

Easy bosses. Story was shitty even as a Nier fan. Not as epic as Ivalice and Myths. Long cutscenes that ruin farming it cuz there always the one MF who has not done it. Gear was good tho

[@markup6394]

6:21 ---- Whaaaaaaaaaaat? The Nier raids were awesome :( Sure, the story didnt make any sense at all, but the raids were top notch! People wipe to this day :D This may be an unpopular take... but imo they took the easy way out in Ultima Thule: they should've killed off the Scions. Not sure how to properly pull that one off but it would've made an impact, paving the way for us to mend some wounds in post-EW MSQ, help to mend the world after the Final Days and then go into Dawntrail, maybe even rebuild the Scions with some new members. I just think that would've been the stronger ending. Though I really love EW as it stands, the build-up and conclusion, I think they chose the easy goody-feel-good ending - and with post-EW quests barely even mentioning the Final Days (okay, mentioned, yes, but we're not involved, everything just kinda happens under the radar) it feels like nothing of note actually happened at all during the expansion. After HW we got to rebuild a section of Ishgard! Something like that for both battle jobs and crafters/gatherers would've been cool. At the moment we're having a little Adventure in the Void but lets be honest: the Void deserves at the very least its own expansion or two. Of course, we dont know what's gonna happen come 6.5, but sofar it had been quite predictable :( And it looks like we're going to wrap it all up in a single patch... Myeah... not sure how I feel about that... Another hot take: I think the EW relics are okay... ish. Considering that Hildibrand is mandatory now from ARR over HW and SB, and then EW, I can see that the devs didnt want to tie any more requirements to that weapon. When EW isnt current anymore and people will want to do the relics, gathering tomestones and doing some silly (yet very fun) quests is at least an approachable goal: in SB and ShB you need an entire raid group for very nieche and rather challenging content. Thats fine and fun, but doing it solo just for a relic is a pain. After our static's DRK got half-mad over Bozja and Zadnor grinding his weapon, I can see how "convenience" isnt automatically bad. Though I really, really hope, DT relics put some more Eureka/Bozja into the mix... or a super complicated obnoxious questline like in ARR :D

[@astonersteve5310]

anyone else miss limit break radio for this exact fucking thing? more criticism please D: im tired of the game feeling like a cult

[@BrunoLopes-ou1gy]

SB was for me the better expansion, but not because of the content, I wasn't there at the launch, but because of the story. Was the first time that we couldn't do whatever we want, there was some "challange", someone oposing our actions, a active enemy that was zenos. ShB was so predictable and boring, thank god that ended and we came back to continue the "SB" history at the beggning of EW, the best part of it in my opinion until zordiak.

[@LabedaSH]

Something that a lot of people dont mention because we are very few the ones that do Deep Dungeon and especially solo, is that Eureka Orthos was a big disappointment and very telling of the route that they are taking, they took away the time and pomander managment and the decision making aspect that comes with it, you had to respect enemies and strategize just to get out of situations, in Eureka Orthos theres none of that, you just pull pull pull kill everything and get out, it plays just like any dungeon that happens to be deep. Eureka Orthos can be fun but its not really a deep dungeon

[@Cassandra_Solidor]

The problem with Orthos is it's essentially a HoH reskin and nothing else. They haven't innovated on the concept since PotD. Which has been a somewhat consistent issue with content of late. They come up with one idea and stick to it without any real innovation.

[@vaan_]

@@Cassandra_Solidor When they announced Orthos I was so excited, 4 years between DD releases meant to me they could bring a lot to the table And while it shows with the bosses being much better (which has been, on average, a constant throughout the game's evolution, gigantic hitboxes aside), the floor to floor experience, aka, most of the deep dungeon, was just Heaven on High again. Dread beasts might as well not exist due to how easy they are to bypass and how trivial they are if the group decides to Storm.

[@LabedaSH]

@@vaan_ Its not even "Heaven on High again" because that one needed for you to know how to use your pomanders and when, how to deal with big rooms, LOSing, knowing which enemies you can deal with and which you cannot, time, etc. Orthos doesnt have that at all, In Orthos all you do is memorize a bunch of mechanics and execute, you dont even have to worry about what they do or their damage, you just kill them and move on, the challenge that DD used to impose and the skills you needed to clear it are not there in Orthos

[@SlinkyRock]

It has to be so sad how you can't criticize Final fantasy XIV without having to spend minutes reassuring people you still think the game is good, when it really isn't anymore.

[@pklifeupa7064]

Fanboys...

[@aresanu]

Story based Endwalker - Everyone enjoyed the story left most people emotional. Tons of new content Heavensward - Peak asf need not to say anymore Shadowbringers - Everything was exciting tons of new content Stormsblood - boring asf it was no real HIGH moment except for Hingashi. (but that's a small fragment compared to the entire expansion) Realreborn - i dont even need to say anything about it. Only high was when things were popping off at the end of it. Fights - during current in PF Endwalker: Extremes were mid - Savage Content has some fun raids and the ones that separated the weak from the strong was p4s,p8s,p12s. High difficulty where as if you were not playing your main it was an issue. Damage checks were pretty tight for healers it was definitely a shortage cause of the intensity which is GOOD. Alot of complaints about jobs Shadowbringers - Extremes were fun & had a very good level of difficulty - Savage Content Eden's verse music was just amazing - Set a different meaning to difficulty from e8s and beyond making fights more self mechanic based and more punishing. No one really complained about their jobs at this time. Stormsblood - Extremes were mid. Not that heavy in mechanics - Savage Content had just been introduced and introduction Heavensward - Extremes were fun a bit challenging Most Containment Bay Extremes were more difficult than the others. Real Reborn - Extremes were MEH only 2 really stuck out honestly and that was Shiva and Ultima.

[@Cohlbee]

"Stormsblood - Extremes were mid. Not that heavy in mechanics - Savage Content had just been introduced and introduction" did you forget that savage existed in all of Alexander and the 2nd raid tier of Coils?

[@algame3]

The Endwalker story was amazing, and the quality of life changes was good. "Other expansions had good QOL too", for me, it was the least expansion played

[@TheMaxCloud]

I dont agree with most of EW Cons really, I liked all the content it was released, the only thing I agree are 2 things: we didnt get anything like Eureka/Bozja, the Criterion Rewards and the fact that there wasnt Trial questlines as a separate storyline.... and thats about it, those are the only 3 cons.

[@vaderglenn]

I told my static this one thing and I should have trusted myself more. The first raid tier going into dsr will be the peak for this upcoming expansion. I had a feeling itwas going to be a lot of meh for the coming year, and looking back mannnn did it stay as medicore as possible. There is a lot of content but the problem is, none of it is long term. Aside from the ultimates but that's to be expected. DSR was peak raiding and nothing will change my mind, and that was meant for fucking Shadowbringers. All I know is this expansion has set my expectations low as fuck for the coming Dawn Trail. Like it's pretty bad, I don't expect this trash 2 min meta to go away, the simplicity of job are now to be more engaging, or the savage raids to be any ounce of difficulty and have any replay ability.

[@TOjJeto]

I think people forget that since they took time to convert ARR zones to flyable, turning the MSQ to have duty support and revamping some boss fights, that also took out some manpower from other content of the game. Now that they are finally done with that, hopefully that manpower will be put into something more interesting.

[@Crowens]

That graphics update looks like it'll also require some manpower to make sure everything looks right

[@drayman101]

Making ARR zones flyable was something a single dev did as a hobby project off the clock.

[@captainsavvy07]

It depends what you're looking for in 14 🤷🏻‍♀️ For me, I don't give a damn about ultimate or other hard content, I dont do deep dungeons, and I hate everything about Eureka and Bojza. Your pros for SB aren't anything I personally care about, so it offers less to me than EW does. EW gave me closure on the story, fun alliance raids, normal raids with a story that I actually give a shit about, more Hildebrand, and relics that I might actually bother getting because they're NOT locked behind a miserable grind in an area that I hate. tldr: it's all subjective

[@Pricee123]

It’s objective fact that this expansion has less content to do pound for pound

[@anggasurbakti8269]

Yeah, but Arthars play all contents so you cannot just compare his view with yours. If your game way is too different then better to skip this video and not commenting

[@alfredvonsfer7136]

It is an understandable viewpoint, however, this is an objective video, there is just less content, simple as. Your opinion is noted but provides little in the context of the video, i am sorry.

[@SebastianVVVVVV]

Maybe playing an MMO isnt for you

[@itsxolix]

I'm not gonna pretend I agree w your points full on but I think that's the thing people are forgetting, EW has purely catered towards refining old stuff and just making sure the baseline of EW itself was enjoyable. The grind was non-existent and for some people that's a fucking big plus whilst people like me want something of value to do more thats more than a weeks worth of time. The lack of content and relic supplementary steps ironically caters to alot of people still

[@brennanlable]

you can't consider DSR a 5.x ultimate. they weren't working on it with ShB content or with ShB balance in mind. it is not 5.x content. you got 1 ultimate for ShB and thats it. EW has 2.

[@alfredvonsfer7136]

I believe the idea is that DSR was planned for a 5.x release and was cut from it, so it should have been a 5.x ULT, that was the intent. It didnt work out that way but there is a clear shift in ULT quality from DSR to TOP, it became more mechanical vomit than an encounter, imo. Sharing the trend with EW that, im here to do the thing then get out, not enjoy the experiance.

[@praedythkm6988]

This just is wrong. DSR was the originally meant to launch in 5.3, this was confirmed by the devs, they then announced a delay to 5.5 and then finally announced a delay again to 6.2 so they could focus their devs on finishing the EW base content. Yoship directly said in a live letter it was a choice of releasing it or delaying EW so they decided to delay. they also confirmed at that point it was basically done, the parts left was just play testing. This is also when they confirmed how that works internally, they only have one group of 8 in the dev team who they test ults with and one of those people needed to work on EW content. DSR is shadowbringers content which was delayed, which is why people were asking for 3 in EW and why it was disappointing they didn't even do that, and have also mentioned at fanfest in interviews its unlikely we will get 3 next expansion either. This isnt one of those cases where its just fans guessing like with the whole "ew is bad because they worked on ff16" this info is directly from the developers and was told to everyone at the time in ShB

[@goropanckechi3028]

Have you seen how DSR phases are ? Why you think some lv 90 job and EW jobs feels awkward there ? Reaper is garbage there due to phases timings. It was design for 5.x and development finished at 6.x that's it

[@teemopanda02]

That isn't true. DSR was developed for 5.0 but due to covid wasn't finished until around 5.55. This is something the devs have openly discussed numerous times, even during the leadup to EW.

[@darthdan]

I feel like this varies from person to person right, some pros for Stormblood are cons for me, like, Ivalice? Really? Story was a drag and raids were ok... had more fun in Nier (raids, story was a drag as well) and current 24 man. DSR is not shadowbringers, no matter how you put it.. if you're judging EW for what it is, you gotta judge Shadowbringers with what it was. DSR has to be put on EW side. I can also make excuses on how FFXVI was being developed at the same time and devs were being stolen from FFXIV team to work on issues from time to time (something they admited to in interviews lol). Especially closer to FF16 release the more and more people had to be involved which affected FFXIV during EW times. I could use that logic to say whatever ultimate is to come out with Dawntrail, belongs to EW lolol Plus, covid! Next two ultimates have to be given to EW then! xD To sum it up, main point is that what's good for some people may not be that good for others, you can make argument for Shadowbringers or EW being the worst on patch content and both would be valid depending on what you value. Fun video man, keep rockin :)

[@BaithNa]

The people complaining about Endwalker are the content creators that can't find things to talk about and players that have been playing for years and have already done everything they want to do in the game. The vast majority of the playerbase just log in and chip away at long term goals or they don't log in, they don't complain and they just find something better to do with their time.

[@chillidari-9392]

Arthas sorry brother but FF16 development was well underway during the end of HW and all of SB, and those 2 periods were by far the best FF14 has ever been. Expect Midwalker until servers go down tbh.

[@autumneagle]

Endwalker is hands down the best expandion to a video game i have ever experienced

[@ShitOwl]

i find it mildly amusing that just after that one zepla vid everyone is hopping on the rate ew train still tho all for it

[@SILVERONIN]

nah she's late to the party, EW being mid has been in the air way before Zepla!

[@ShitOwl]

@@SILVERONIN well yeah ever since 6.1 but she relit the fire

[@Crowens]

Now that we're nearing the end people are gonna start to whine more since it's now past the point where the game could change and address any complaints Also I feel Zepla is one of the faces of the GCBTW with her big focus on sprout content and general positive attitude so if someone like her speaks up and voices her concerns then that encourages others to do the same. I also feel the backlash of the community is why others try not to criticize the game too much.

[@BloodlustParadox]

For me the best expansion combat wise was HW I just miss the shit ton of buttons and all the micro managing. Content wise SB. Story wise SHB and EW

[@ember-evergarden]

EW was still better than SB. WB was the only expansion I dropped my sub for after Kefka tier lmfao shit was so bad aside from Ultimate and Ivalice filtering losers