How is the Rhino ARC II slider?

[@AANasseh]

You had me at the bottle opener!

[@TomAntos]

😂

[@MattShockley]

When using this, should You keep image stabilization turned on or off for the lens?

[@dannymendez]

It look like you never will get boring with this slider, good video explaining everything. Thanks for your video. Hello from South Texas.

[@TomAntos]

Hey Danny. 👋 Yes its still my favorite slider

[@jkpinpdx]

I will only use this for interviews and real estate shots… Do you think this can match up on top of my powered Edelkrone pro slider? Will it work?

Very nice, Tom! I was wondering this slider for long. Thank you for your reviews. What do you think of it compared to Edelkrone slider and the head PLUS?

[@ChrisAnsonPhotography]

I have the same question about Edelkrone as well.

[@TomAntos]

Edelkrone is good but can't take as much weight as the Rhino arc 2. Also I prefer the big built in battery on the arc. You can do long timelapses with the Edelkrone you need lots of small batteries for slider and camera or another extra battery hack.

[@Grasseatereu]

@@TomAntos my headplus pro actually is paired with a v-mount... it never goes dead :P and is rated ar 20lb 5 more than the arc 2. @Leika Ueda i think it is better than edelkrone if u need vertical lifts, as edelkrone does state its not made for vertical lifts atm.

[@sa.t.2507]

Edelkrone is really bad quality gear. Every single piece we got from them has problems

[@voplefox]

Leiki Ueda - kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXraY4KtrLSraJo - comparison edelkrone/arc 2

[@TheGeoDaddy]

I’m thinking of stripping up from Arc to Arc II now that I have the ProRes RAW upgrade for my Nikon Z6 HDMI to Ninja V - at 15lbs - seems like I could keep this all in a cage on the Arc II and I’m good to go... right? I’m also liking the Focus unit since I am using legacy Nikon lenses (FTZ) and setting focus manually for stages shots ie I know where I need to focus before I shoot.

[@panamouse6178]

I had an Edelkrone version and when the full compliment of mechanicals moved over the rails, as it swung out to the ends, the weight of the unit would cause the rails to bend slightly enough, but you would see the horizon line bend. Does this set up have the same issue or do the rails present a rock solid horizon line when that unit meets the far right or left ends ?

[@KobusGevelspar]

All setups you use with some weight (camera/lens) and a single tripod will have this issue. Using two tripods or the special extra legs will take care of the problem.

[@fmh357]

Thanks Tom, that was a useful review. Actually your assistant was quite good at following you.

[@TomAntos]

Thanks!

[@rocus80m]

Thanks for the review. Just wondering whats the problem to provide more keyframes? :/

[@justinmathew130]

very simple and informative video, thank you

[@mOo84]

Do you think this bundle from Rhino would handle a BMPCC6K rig with a full cage, v-mount battery (Core SWX Powerbase Edge) and external monitor?

[@dragoscondrea7307]

You are using the 42 inch cable for the 24 inch slider :) This is why it gets stuck. My biggest problem with this one, I got it 2 days ago, it is that It DOES have jiters. Even in your footage it is noticeble. It is not micro jitters, but it still jitters. I would have to make more tests and find the perfect balance, it is very workable even in this situations, but you will not be able to do any macro shots. It is getting very noticable on every lens over 50-70mm. For the tilting up and down problem look in the settings and chage the camera size option to large, not normal. The standard normal one it is designed for cameras of maximum 5 pounds. Everething above 5ponds you should select the large camera size.

[@alexmainwaring]

I'm noticing these jitters as well. Do you think this is firmware thing that can be fixed or just the nature of the slider?

[@ivansmotrov8597]

Hi, try tightening the slider belt, I had the same issue with my rihno slider. It fixed my jitters. If that's not enough try mounting the slider on two tripods on either end. Max Yuryev tested one of these and did not have jitters, hence I assume it's how you set and tune it.

[@dcstudio309]

@@ivansmotrov8597 I will try thitenning the belt, thank you. I did some testing today and an extended shoot and after doing some work on properly balancing the camera and using a smaller lens I did not see much of a jitter. Will have to take another look tommorow when I will start editing the footage though.

[@KobusGevelspar]

@@ivansmotrov8597 Max tested it and his footage looked awful. Check it better, it is full of jitter.

[@trevorpinnocky]

Great detailed review. Those automated sliders have come a long way.

[@LennyandSandi]

Great instructional video! I see you had the Arc II for over a year now, are you still liking your purchase? Thanks!

[@TomAntos]

yes I still use it 3 years later

[@philpritchard5173]

Grt video, thx Tom. Do you think it would be precise enough for motion control shots where you film same scene multiple times with same or different people and composite them in post..?

[@keller2279]

Thank you for your in-depth reviews.. I've been looking for a 3-axis slider and may try this, but I wanted to know, does the motor in this cause any vibrations in the footage? I bought an Ifootage shark mini, and the motors caused horrible vibrations in the footage, even with a light camera and perfectly balanced. So I had to send that one back. You've reviewed the Ifootage slider, so I was wondering how the motors on this one compare with that?

[@TomAntos]

Yeah the shark slider did have micro vibrations in many cases. Seemed to me like it was an issue with heavier cameras. The Rhino Arc 2 hasn't shown any problems with micro vibration. It's because it uses a normal rubber belt system which dampens any shakes. The shark slider mini has a great idea of using a belt less slider but that is also what caused the vibration since it hard metal gears grinding against each other.

[@keller2279]

@@TomAntos I appreciate the reply. Yeah, that Ifootage would vibrate even with a BM Pocket 4k (no cage or external battery), and a Tokina 11-16 (light lens), all balanced perfectly. I had to do very slow moves in order to not get those vibrations. While more expensive, this does look better made and beefier, so I may pick one up.. will be sure to use your coupon code if I do. Very good to hear it doesn't have the same micro vibrations. Again, I appreciate all your reviews and LUTs and whatnot.

[@lachopakapura]

Same here. Had to return it because of awful jitteriness. but I recently found this company and I'm very Pleasant with the result. noxon.tech/en/

[@AdamSmith-pn5hk]

Would a BMPCC4K be considered a large camera in the arc ii settings? I think I read that to be considered a large camera it would be over 5lbs? Thanks for the great info!

[@ADNZ5442]

Dose this slider judder?

[@gerardpatrick8960]

Thanks for the video Tom. I'll be honest, as good as it seems, I just can't get my head around these really short sliders. I fail to see how they add much to a shot, that you couldn't find an alternative workaround for. I saw a few days ago a big mother of a slider that you sat on to demonstrate its strength and it was cool - a real, proper slider!

[@ancilm]

Thanks for a very good and detailed review. I'm considering getting the 24" slider with the Arc ii and I use a C200B. Would I be able to use this setup on a tripod without it bowing at the ends of the slider?

[@danielevanzo8776]

Is it noisy in slow movements?

[@drowles25]

Hi Tom - thank you for your video - Has Rhino added multiple key frames since you made this video?

[@TomAntos]

yes. you can now do 5 keyframes

[@radekprusa3405]

Hi Tom, sincere question: Did you warp stabilize in post any of the shown footage? Dont take it personally, but the shot of grave stone is just terrible wobbling, vibrating and even the speed its pretty unequal. It seems, that all these devices, doesn't matter, how expensive they are struggle with this a lot.

[@TomAntos]

Dont worry Radek, I dont take it personally. I didn't create this slider and I don't care if anyone buys it or not. I reviewed it because people requested it. Didn't do any stabilization on it. That shot you mentioned was the worst I found this slider to be so I thought I would include the shot so everyone can see... the shake is mainly because I used that heavy lens DZO 20-70 and I was zoomed in all the way at 70mm on a M43 sensor with the slider going full speed. The lens or the camera doesnt have any stabilization either. It was also very cold and very windy on that day. If you were to shoot that at a slower speed or with a wider lens then you would not see any shaking. Like you can see in the other shots. In short is it perfect? Nope. No tool is. But trust me if you are looking for a motorized slider this is the best one out there in terms of the smoothness. That is why I am so happy with it and keep it. You will see more videos of me using it for sure. Ive tried the Edelkrone and SharkSlider Mini and even the older Kessler Crane sliders and none were as smooth. Than again you can't expect it to be perfect in every scenario unless you are talking about one of those fully robotic arms that can move the camera with super precision... of course those cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

[@radekprusa3405]

@@TomAntos First - thank you for such a deep answer. And generally for this review. To clear my point of view a little - I'm looking for some device like this for commercial architecture shots. As I'm going deeper with investigate these devices to buy the best one for me, I'm finding out, that none of them is really smooth and problemloss, as the manufacturers trying to show them. This disappointed me a little, but OK, life is about fight with obstacles. I've just got shocked, how KZbin is full of completely unhonest paid reviews, which are just another form of advertising (this is one of the reason, why I am here on your channel, because I find your stuff here mostly "user honest") I appreciate, that you implement also non perfect shots in the video without trying polish them. This is, why I asked about warp stabilizing. Glad to get better impression about reality. Thanks again!

[@KobusGevelspar]

@@TomAntos Hey Tom! I also took the plunge and bought the Rhino system. Any micro jitter you encounter is gone with a simple stabilise in premiere, you don't even need the warp, only the x and y and very small crop. Also really big influence was the belt tension, if you have it too high you'll notice the stepper motor vibrations at slower speeds. I think it is a great system and can't wait for the next major software update.

[@raleartstudio1701]

Can I use this with any slider?

[@fatheadmediapro]

RALeArt Studio no. I don’t have it, but I’ve been researching it because I want it. You can only use with the rhino motor and slider

[@SteveT__001]

I have been researching motorised sliders for a while, nearly bought into Edelkrone because of the fantastic features the app has but did not like that the head could use Sony or Canon batteries but the slider could only use Canon, then I saw negative reviews beginning to hit YT instead of just the sponsored one's and hesitated. Now I have seen this and another very positive review of the Arc 2 but at its price point (possibly more then Edelkrone) it is lacking somewhat in its motion control, certainly I will not buy without an Android App and it definitely needs more than 2 Keyframes. Thanks for a comprehensive review and I will be keeping an eye out for updates, at least for now my wallet can stay in my pocket.

[@TomAntos]

Thanks for the honest comment Steve! And yes better keep your wallet safe until you are sure you want to go for this slider. I am also waiting for the update to the app and hopefully the android version will be out soon because my iPhone sucks.

[@Grasseatereu]

hey m8 - When you get the headplus from edelkrone you should pick the V-mount battery slot for the headplus, its more than enough for anything you want to do - the smaller parts can use canon batteries only or sony's - the lp-e6n can keep most of those going for hour on end, and if u need even more it's not an issue as you can recharge batteries faster than you can use them, and since it is repeatable shots you can pause the shot and change batteries and continue :) My main issue with the arc is that the camera is not centered over the pan axis, and the lower weight than the pro set from edelkrone. The thing i like more is the customisable/upgradeable slider lengths. and ability to slide in a tilted state as it does give options on midsized setups to do more different types of motions that the edelkrone slide module can give you, but that edelkrone does not advice you to do.

[@SteveT__001]

@@Grasseatereu Yes its a difficult choice, I hadn't realised that there was a V mount option, that along with Sony batteries for the slider would work for me. The option of tilted and even vertical moves with the Arc is an attraction, something you cannot do with the Sliderplus. The SliderOne however will do vertical but not with the Head One unit. Have you used the Edelkrone and if so what do you think of this interview regarding the jitters etc kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnLNXnqAotp6jM0

[@SteveT__001]

@@TomAntos I will never buy anything from Apple lol

[@Grasseatereu]

@@SteveT__001 to be honest it scares me a little because i already got it all but dont use it (enough) I think he has some good points - But i think it is also wrong that people think a motorised movement should be a final product. its like saying from noon you can only use stuff u made in one take. these systems does have jitter, and does have limits we as creators need to use their strenghts instead of focusing on what doesn't work.. how often do we want a shot moving left to right and the backtracking left again? .. you know what i mean. i contacted th guy to see if we can do some more testing, i do have the headplus pro.. - and yes I'd gladly help get truth ut there about good uses and limitations :)

[@HT__00]

Great gear and review thanks Tom.

[@creativesymon]

It's about £3.2k here! But it is super quiet. BTW...if you go to their firmware news page they say they've/they're releasing a 3 keyframe update and are working on a 5 keyframe update.

[@apaarjain]

Hi. Would you like to try dolly zoom effect with it? I mean using the focus grip on the zoom grip instead with a camera with autofocus. Just wondering if it could help that way.

[@spo5egy]

I did a zolly effect on my digislider 3 years ago... Just do it in post. It can be achieved

[@TomAntos]

Yes you can do the dolly zoom. I will post my results if I get a chance to shoot something like that

[@Glen.Danielsen]

Brother Tom, thanks for another excellent video! I do suggest much more extreme closeups that linger thoroughly on the thing being discussed. Extreme closeups should linger to give viewer time to comprehend what they’re seeing. God bless, brother! 💛😎

[@TomAntos]

Thank you for the tip and for the compliment!

[@konstapelwalander]

Very thorough review! How is this compared to the shark slider mini? How bad is the parallax from the camera not being centered above the pan-axis?

[@TomAntos]

No noticeable parallax unless you are inches away from the subject. Shark slider mini is only good for very small cameras. In my use even with the Sony a6500 and a cinema lens it struggles and produces micro jitter. Also the batteries can be a problem on the shark slider when doing long timelapses

[@konstapelwalander]

​@@TomAntos Ok! Thank you for a fast reply and a great review! Cheers from Sweden!

[@KobusGevelspar]

Great again, and also al your answers to questions here Tom. Thanks for taking the time for it. That helps me even more than the video I think.. And no, I still haven't made that decision too which motion control system to buy, but so far this looks really promising, despite the remarks about micro jitter. Can we may be conclude all these systems have some form of micro jitter and that we need find our way with it?

[@RomeoxLara]

Would you recommend this for the Ursa Mini Pro or is that camera too big for this?

[@hulk2212]

Could you tell me what type of motor you were using in the video?

[@TomAntos]

high speed motor

[@hulk2212]

Tom Antos does the high speed motor and high torque motor have the same minimum moving speed?

[@baubergo]

@@TomAntos can you do any vertical shots using the high speed motor? Even if only using light setups (mirrorless and small lenses)

[@dp54321]

Hey Tom, how well does it repeat the exact same movement? Like could I create a vfx video plate so I could have two of the same actor in a blended shot from two takes?

[@Avidcomp]

Hi Tom. I wanted to ask about setting the keyframes: Are you limited to start (A) and end (B) points, or could you have a third and more; (A) to (B) to (C) etc... ?

[@TomAntos]

right now its just 2 key frames... Ive been told by Rhino that they will be adding ability to add more key frames. No idea when that will be or how many key frames.

[@filmkreation]

@@TomAntos Still no ability for multiple keyframes. It's a shame really

[@chiassoo]

This is a great review Tom! I was wondering if Rhino has updated the software at all yet and added any of the extra features they talked about?

[@waseemayshoa1476]

Very nice explained

[@EyesWideShut68]

Dear Tom, is your coupon code still valid?

[@Pierluca72]

Great but, did I see micro jitters?

[@JosephSuPH]

Same, it was quite obvious in 4:55 - 5:08 ... can Resolve stabilization fix it though?

[@steveschnetzler5471]

Excellent coverage of features, thanks. Seems like you where able to "over power" the focus motor easily when you wanted t manually focus, that is good. How long where you able to run the rig before you ran out of battery, if you ever did?

[@TomAntos]

I havent used it so long that the battery ran out. I had the slider and the BMPCC4K powered by the Arc 2 for an 8 hour shoot. Obviously the slider and camera were not going all 8 hours... but at the end of it I still had a quarter of the battery left according to the display on the slider.

[@BryanBenoitPhoto]

Thanks for the very detailed review. I know you have used the Sryp products in the past... how do this compare with the Genie 2 (assuming you used that one)

[@TomAntos]

I havent used the Genie 2 only the Sryp slider. Sorry

[@BryanBenoitPhoto]

No need to apologize...thanks for sharing your info.

[@Sheak420]

What Tripod are you using? I just got my Arc II I thought it came with a manfroto tripod, but I was wrong :/

[@adffilms3998]

Tom I have a question unrelated to this video. What computer platform do u use for editing? Right now I am using an iMac for Adobe and final cut pro. But I continuously run out of RAM. Which requires me to get more RAM or a new computer. What do you recommend? Please advise. I would really appreciate it 😊

[@TomAntos]

Hi, I am using a custom built PC that you can find out more about here: tomantosfilms.com/17061/custom-4k-6k-8k-video-editing-computer/

[@lawrenceanthony8187]

thanks!

[@TheOnlyDJChillWill]

Nice review overall. The keyframes seems like any easy fix. I know Syrp allows as many keyframes as you want with their Genie 2.

[@tvlussoart5063]

I read the product description carefully. I want to buy the product according to your explanation. I want to upload a video of me drawing on the rail and take a video.

[@gereral1_jackofalltrades]

All these wonderful tools. I need a raise KZbin lol

[@billyoung9538]

Sweet Mamba Jamba, I always wanted an awesome $1400 Bottle Opener!!! ;) Oh... and the additional swag that comes with it is pretty cool as well.

[@MrBazsi888]

the first company who will combine 5-axis slider with a portable gimbal will be millionaire.

[@oscarm4154]

Did you figure it out of fix it - im trying to use it with a Canon C70 and I adjusted the screw for hours and the cam still drops - sorry but this product sucks - we purchased 2 and both units do the same - way below the announced weight limmit as well - I will not recommend this to anyone - look at some of the other options out there

[@georgespogacich3066]

I'm not sure the follow focus will work on any lens

[@prestonwright]

Good video, but sadly, they dont honor your discount code. They say it's invalid and give zero discount.

[@danielborges.]

Imagine using two motors and create that dolly zoom Jaws effect. Is it possible?

[@TomAntos]

Its possible I will try to do a test of it and post it online. Thanks for the idea.

[@danielborges.]

@@TomAntos thank you for the great content you put out there. Best regards.

[@lawrenceatienza]

The built in battery is a deal breaker for me.

[@TomAntos]

why? You can still power it through an external battery if the internal battery did ever run out. but so far Ive been shooting with it and Ive never came close to using all the battery in 1 day.

[@kolor-space]

there is a vibration in the shot

[@petero1068]

21:11 Place this on a Loomo and now you have an AC. ;) kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZ2ZmpqXjr2Xnrs

[@josephfloyd727]

This review was so much better than others. If there was an android app for face detection, I would buy this right now and a cheap $100 phone off gear best to just leave on it 24/7.

[@TomAntos]

I agree, can't wait for the android app. I have an old iPhone that sucks and I am not about to spend a lot of money on an iPhone when my old android can do the same things.

[@loungegalaxy]

I am so tired of new equipment we need spend time to think and create something with that equipment. To often update in 21 century crazy times we live

[@HoustonBrownPhotography]

I am somewhat with you on that. Also, release it when it is ready. Every new product seems to always have features that are "Coming Soon". I use my slider in the field so this would never work. Those cables look like a pain in the but. I love the my iFootage Shark Slider Mini for this reason alone. NO CABLES.

[@doug_EX]

Too bad you can’t independently set the focus speed. For example, for a 15 second move you wouldn’t want the focus to take 15 seconds to change.

[@TomAntos]

yes... waiting till they update the slider so you can set more key frames. Rhino said it will come.

[@PS-ys9yg]

most expensive bottle opener ever!

[@videolad3057]

4:58 Shaky as fuck, just like all these motion control systems. Anyone that trusts a sponsored/affiliate review is ridiculously naive.