How is this even possible with Katarin?

[@Achillez098]

Elsa: Runs away and builds an ice castle alone Katarin: Runs away and slaughters 3000+ rats alone

[@asraarradon4115]

Do you have something against Elsa? You should let it go.

[@Achillez098]

@@asraarradon4115 Hahaha

[@SereglothIV]

I always appreciate doomstacks without the Sword of Khaine. Because they showcase lord's actual skills and specifics, rather than one item's ward save and vortex ability. Even Tretch was a one man doomstack with the SoK.

[@MrMatheus19981604]

I wouldn't say he's a man, more like a half.😁

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

I'm so with you on that. I'm making a Manny one at the moment now that I finished this, if its good enough to send in it wont have the sword of khaine either

[@M.L.official]

The problem is that without sword of khaine you cannot reach anywhere near the ward save cap on pretty much any lord

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

@@M.L.official its not all about ward save. In this fight Katarin has 114% ward save in sanctuary, but i'm working on a manfred one which kills everyone quickly before he runs out of health via infinite winds. My doomstacks are practical though, meant to be used in campaign. The ones legend plays tends to be more on the extreme so i do somewhat agree. Its possible to make a 1 man doomstack thay can take out 1 stack with almost everyone, so i would only wish those were the benchmark rather than just another sword of khaine user. We all have different tastes though so thats the challenge legend has

[@M.L.official]

@@totalwar-hamster4518 Sure. Go up against a high quality army that has all magical attacks. It gets really difficult, something that wasn't the case in wh2. I'm not disagreeing, I just think the quality of armies fought in Warhammer 3 is something that adds an asterisk to the one man stacks. Katarin isn't really supposed to be a melee fighter so it's awesome that this was created, however I'm speaking primarily for lords who rely a lot more on melee rather than magic. (Also for katarin, single entities would decimate her, so there is that to consider). I do understand that a one man isn't supposed to necessarily be untouchable in every scenario, but it should be untouchable in many (like malus, Zhao, archaon, etc)

[@thatepicwizardguy]

Watching Katarin DELETE an army was sooooo satisfying lol that might be one of the most satisfying doomstack moments I've seen on this channel.

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

Haha, I spent the last few days racking my brains how you were going to do it, as I knew it would be a lot better than my tactics. I was kinda thinking something along these lines but you make it seem so easy all the time that I am kicking myself I didn't try this. I was thinking my positioning was horrible but i'd been used to fighting one stacks throughout the campaign where these tactics aren't needed. Proving yourself a legend as always. If anyone has any questions about the build then add a comment on here. I used Dahl's brazier instead of Isabella's trait for most of the game so that works too if you want to try it. Its actually better until you get perfect vigour I think. Thanks legend! Oh and also I realised when I made my vid i did use one heart on the 3 stacks. As for the trait managing, what I did was get her solo items then sent her on a round the world trip on her own, disbanding her before the end game crisis as she was down by Kairos

[@MrMagpie36]

Did you do this with trait manager then or swapping Katarin out until needed for a trait?

[@PR0phecy]

@@MrMagpie36 katarina had elizabeth's trait, wurrzag's trait who is looking like dwarves wiped out and snikch's trait who is far away so this is really suspicuous to me.

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

@@MrMagpie36 Without, I did similar to what he said but slightly different. I build my one man stacks to use in campaign, so once I had her ready I sent her off on her own across the sea to snipe people. Then disband to get her back home, and repeat. This was actually the main difficulty, playing a Kislev campaign without Katarin, so I dropped the difficulty at times as I'd tried 3 times before without doing so

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

@@PR0phecy I'm happy to send you the save to view the records, you can see where she was by how she took settlements. I also have saves before most of the lords. If you DM me your email I'll pop over. The point was I used this for most of the campaign, so she was off solo going around the world. I only got Isabella;s right before the skaven spawned, you don't need it for the build. The ones that I think are important arent mentioned but are on my vid

[@rossdiggle]

Well done @Total War-Hamster you finally did it.

[@tacul9333]

Watching that huge blob and not casting Heart of Winter was just killing me. When he finally cast it, it was soooo good.

[@JustSome462]

I don't think it was trait managed, getting a clean streak of traits towards the end is pretty normal when trying to build a one man doomstack, what happens is simply that you get all the bad traits like musterer early, and later on you get the defeat traits, and you can kind of see the pattern (for example Sniktch, Vilitch and Grimgor who are close together also have traits close to each other, same for Wurzaag and Skrag)

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

You're exactly right. Sniktch, Villitch and Grimgor all came to me, rather than me having to hunt them. On turn 240 the map can be very odd. Those 3 kept attacking through the badlands. Wurzag and Skrag were on my way to Kairos (which is why seafarer is in the middle of those. Same with Siggy and Malekeith. I was saving my last spot for Wulfrik but then isabella dropped into my lap. You dont need Issy anyway, i wish i'd never gotten that trait in hindsight with all this trait manager talk.

[@MySuperPowerIsITouchGrass]

The second cast is an example why you should always overcast heart of winter. Especially with Katarin. It's doesn't cost much more and Kat reducing ice magic cost helps. Plus it doubles the damage of the spell.

[@UndeadMongoose301]

That WAS an overcast. But because the enemies hadn't been softened up by the mortis engine it wasn't very threatening to them.

[@MySuperPowerIsITouchGrass]

@INTERPLANETARYNINJASSASSIN o shit did must have missed that. Regardless it still did kill half of them. Not useless.

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

@@MySuperPowerIsITouchGrass hof was always cool. Its just not as fire and forget easy like pit of shades or the spastic eye.

[@UndeadMongoose301]

@@MySuperPowerIsITouchGrass Not useless perhaps, but certainly not worth 21 winds of magic IMO.

[@ruukinen]

@@UndeadMongoose301 It easily is if you hit it for the entire duration. It's just pretty hard to get enemy units to stand still in it.

[@feanedhell]

That heart of winter really hit the spot

[@friedipar]

A "foreign woman doomstack". Very nice

[@elementalgolem5498]

When? I only heard "one woman doomstack"

[@friedipar]

@@elementalgolem5498 I am talking about the automated subtitles. They're always a treat on this channel

[@elementalgolem5498]

@@friedipar ah gotcha

[@thegreatlarry9454]

Legend: Gotta use heart of winter to start winning battle Random Rat: "Using dirty magics"

[@Smitywerban]

14:25 is where the fun begins.

[@indrickboreale7381]

Tsarina Katarin vs Grimgor, colorized

[@Moritz19081980]

Not for the skaven though..

[@بين_الأسطورة_والمعلومة]

16:22 it was nice to hear her battle cry THE FROST ARE MINE !

[@matthewwalton8602]

I think that heart of winter killed like 1900 lives haha

[@ricex2]

colder then my ex-wife's heart

[@hashteraksgage3281]

Shes basically playing vermintide

[@Aa-zc8di]

14:35 the 2.3k rats ''Adiós''

[@zackdines]

Not just him, we pretty much all hate sword of Khaine doomstacks.

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

Hahaha, I've got 3 others in the works. Not sure if they'll all be good to send in, I think Manfred will but they will never have that bloody sword!

[@SofaMuncher]

I dont think its trait managed when you take into account the amount of map uncovered. Looks like Katarin just took a page out of Wulfriks book and did a world tour

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

She did indeed! Then i disbanded to get back home

[@jasonquigley2633]

The only mistake legend made here was not using heart of winter earlier. If he had used it the moment the super blob formed he probably could have finished 10 minutes quicker, and with more regen cap free.

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

I agree, and I'm sure he would when watching back but its really hard to time when to use it as sometimes you cast it and then a few minutes later there is a better opportunity

[@UndeadMongoose301]

I seriously doubt that. You have to keep in mind that although Heart of Winter did a lot of damage that first time around, all those units were already heavily damaged from the mortis engine effect, and HoW just finished the job. You can see the second time around when he casted on the relatively fresh units, HoW only wiped out the really low health units.

[@jasonquigley2633]

@@UndeadMongoose301 the difference was that the first cast was overcasted. Timing the first cast was relatively easy, and if he combined with the other army ability he could have induced a mass rout from morale damage.

[@UndeadMongoose301]

@@jasonquigley2633 The second was an overcast, you can even see Katarin miscast.

[@ruukinen]

@@UndeadMongoose301 Both casts did like 100k damage. It doesn't matter if it's HoW that kills them or the mortis engine. You need to do the damage at some point anyway.

[@MaschenkoAN]

I'm pretty sure you forgot to leave the link

[@SereglothIV]

Nothing new for youtubers who copy-paste the same description to every video :P

[@Sercotani]

legend forgor 💀

[@KwstasTsiropoulos]

there are so many trash traits your lords can get but at the same time even if you actively keep them in mind and try to avoid them you can't, I mean musterer and such they will happen at some point cause you cannot do otherwise, would love for a general mechanic that you pay some gold to perform a ritual or something that lets you remove traits be they general or LL traits the gold would be worth it if you try to make certain roleplays or just make your Lords OP while getting rid of the trash

[@asraarradon4115]

If you're actively trait farming, you should have your lord just sitting in the recruit pool and slot them in when you will be facing a LL with a trait you want. Helps reduce getting crap traits and allows your lord to be wherever they need to be on the map.

[@KwstasTsiropoulos]

@@asraarradon4115 even with that there will always be times when you will need your Lord to beat other strong LL that still give trash like Karl or Katarin, or when you fight same race multiple times throughout the whole campaign and get bonus leaderships vs race, you can't avoid that forever

[@kentknightofcaelin4537]

Or just remove the trait limit.

[@elmanhux]

I always found her viable using the big dancing snow flake AOE against provoked blobs. Didn't know about the Mirror of the Ice Queen, #1 strongest Arcane Item there is I guess.

[@hivecasts]

She actually does need Dauntless since she isn't unbreakable :D

[@quint3ssent1a]

Yeah, with two abominations at her at once i thought for a moment that she will rout and everything will be lost.

[@CloudWallace]

Just imagine a nuke, or winds of death in that blob...

[@M.J.D.R]

Heart of winter is enough

[@lewishorsman2219]

A couple comets of cassandora would have fucked the enemy up

[@l.m.srensen4559]

If you really want to look for trait management, you can kinda use the log to see if there’s been a fight in a region that would make it plausible. You’d not see Wurrzag up in the northern wastes for example, so if you can’t follow a line of fighting, down to an area where it’s plausible to meet him, there’s propably something wrong. But yeah, I do the disbanding thing as well, to get traits. Best after killing off Vlad the dad.. It’s a major hassle to do it that way, but that’s if you really want to know.. and still, it can’t tell you for sure…

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

huh! I never thought about doing it with Vlad, that would have saved me some time!

[@andregon4366]

14:26 Looks like a magic trick. Holy shit, dude.

[@canadianeh24]

Where is the link for the guy's youtube channel? He said it was in the description and it's not there?

[@Firefocus-fz2we]

Ah yes, nothing wrong with Katarin outrunning some cavalry on foot 🤔

[@loowick4074]

Skating

[@reivelt3715]

she's on foot yes, but she ain't walking

[@hipsterghidorah6317]

She's pulling a Frozone

[@Hashv1]

I wouldn't be able to withstand the urge to instantly pop a overcast heart of ice in a skaven blob like that.

[@LittleMissGuillotine]

normally I get why he leans away from the banner of eternal flame, but not using it this time feels painful, with the aboms being the only real threat and all

[@Boingy420]

The thing why Save Friendly Mods seem so appeasing, at least to me, is Warhammer has different playstyles. You have basic Conquest Mode, where you plow bases. You have Confederation Mode, where you're buying time, until the allies are low enough to confederate. You have Trait Farming Mode, where you're cycling Lords, sending them to places, to farm traits. And lastly, you have Crash Avoidance Mode, where you stay still for a whole turn, declare war on this, attempt to stop this rebellion from spawning, all to attempt to avoid a crash. Just to get Isabella's Trait, you have to handicap your campaign options, to only do Vampire Counts End Game. A hinderance! Point is, with Save Friendly Mods, you don't have to go into Confederation Mode that long, or into Trait Farming Mode at all - just back to the games.

[@giovannigio3764]

Legend since you know all those lords and what you get from them so good. Can you make a video that shows what lords you should kill for some of the different 1 wo/man doomstacks? For example one that is melee based or magic based.

[@war97]

"i will link it in the description" doesn't link it :l also i think someone using trait manager is fine so long as its realistic like don't pop on an exclusive trait on someone who cant get it. like the dragon quest line from imirk on malus

[@arklaw8306]

Lore of Metal S tier with Gelt. Lore of Ice A tier with Katarina.

[@TorynGent]

15:00 oh my god, I can't watch this kind of scaven mass-murder 😭

[@JustSome462]

Said no Skaven ever

[@TorynGent]

@@JustSome462 Those were good people sir, no slave scum but properly bred specimen XD

[@larry691]

That Heart of Winter cast was absolutely disgusting!! I’ve only ever used that spell in similar situations

[@ftayl5]

Watching that spell just wipe out all those units. Fuuuuuck.

[@areyoutheregod]

I'll be honest, with the new AI behavior that likes blobs, it's easy to make one-lord doomstacks with any Lord with AoE spells or skills if you're fighting infantry.

[@Zoltri]

IDK if I'm just blind, but I don't see the link Legend said would be in the description to view the guys channel. :)

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

ITs mine, he will probably sticky my post when its normal hours in Oz

[@Anonie324]

The link to the creator's video appears to be missing from the description.

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

Ts mine, he will probably sticky my post when its normal hours in Oz

[@joeriandries]

@legendoftotalwar i think you forgot to link the video of the guy who sent it in, unless i'm just beeing blind...

[@Wilburytry]

i never heard this unit speak so at first i thought i'm starting to lose it, hearing that disney mouse sayin 'For the Motherland!'

[@Fred-maurice]

First spell at 14:32. u can skip.

[@minsha4382]

In case of Skaven infestation emergency , Brake the ice!

[@devilsmessanger]

any chance anyone could do 1 man Malekith doomstack ? if possible .

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

Its somewhere on my list mate. I think anyonme can be a 1 man Doom for campaign but I'm not sure Malekeith will be good enough to send in to legend. I may prove myself wrong though, doing Mannfred and a few secret ones first.

[@devilsmessanger]

@@totalwar-hamster4518 yes,that is the thing. he is great faction leader and army leader,but ...

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

@@devilsmessanger he might be good, he's top tier melee, and has one of the best magic lines, i just cant remember where he'd get his ward save. I'm messing around with a malus campaign at the mo do maybe i'll switch to malekith

[@yeetdelete4535]

anyone know how to get the mirror i havent been able to find it in like 70 turns

[@kellerblair2952]

I wonder how the Elves feel knowing the sword of their god is wielded by a human.

[@quint3ssent1a]

They basically hate the thing, so for them it's akin to some human digging up radioactive waste and playing with it.

[@Scaphism36]

Can someone explain why she’s not on a bear mount? Is she stronger without it?

[@ComicalConqueror]

She's harder to hit.

[@sirp1zza]

The bear increases her hit box, which would allow more creatures to hit her at the same time. When in a normal army the movement speed and damage of the bear is generally better for Katarin imo.

[@joeriandries]

on the bear she does more damage in melee, but also takes more damage because of the bigger hitbox. in this battle, it was the mortis engine doing the damage (more then she could ever do in melee), so she didn't need melee damage, she needs survivability, because the longer she survives, the more damage that mortis engine does, and her smaller hitbox on foot gives her just that

[@SUPERNICHOLAS88]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH HEART OF WINTER

[@eviem5658]

So how do you get Isabella's trait these days? Do you get it for beating the hero version?

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

She appeared in the end game crises for me. Literally walked into my path right before i went up to fight this battle. Sylvania needs to be wiped out first before the crisis hits tho

[@ruukinen]

He's explained it multiple times but, you have to kill of the Von Carsteins, so Vladdy daddy needs to be dead. You also must summon a vampire counts end game crisis or the ultimate crisis which spawns every crisis. If the Carsteins were killed then Isabella will be leading an army of the crisis faction.

[@kaiserbeelzebub4th]

didnt know you can get rewards from completing endgame scenarios

[@MilanVoorhees]

That HoW was DELICIOUS.

[@TheWafflesalsa]

CA should look into streamlining the processes of sharing saves.

[@SWBGTOC]

The video isn't in the description

[@goodmoney2998]

How ?! Does this works in Ursun campaing as well or just in Immortal Empires ?

[@KFro9k]

Seeing heart of winter being cast upon that giant blob gave me great satisfaction

[@arkorbravos7686]

14:50 OOOHHHHHHHH YEEEEEAAHHHHHAHHAH

[@history0231]

How do you get the Mirror of the Ice queen? Is it just randomly generated after battles?

[@kentknightofcaelin4537]

Yes

[@Skagwatcher]

If it is trait managed its only after she gets wurzag because getting seasoned campaigner then skrag then wurzag is entirely reasonable and there's only one or two in there that are somewhat unreasonable to have gotten in that theoretical journey. Really the only suspect one is Be'lakor's trait somehow happening while he appears to be in the darklands.

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

Hey, i got Belakors one right next to his island. I chases him up towards erengrad then he just got on land and stopped seemingly accepting his fate. I dont remember him ever being in darklands tho

[@lennethvalkyrie9228]

Isabella's regen ?how did you get?she is like a hero.

[@WeAreLegion1]

How do you get the mirror of the ice queen? I have never seen it.

[@JustSome462]

Luck, it's a rare item, it's like getting an armor of destiny

[@WeAreLegion1]

@Just another guy on the internet I have played Katarin a lot and haven't seen it yet I didn't know if it was maybe a realm of chaos item or something. Thanks for the answer.

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

@@WeAreLegion1 I think they have upped its droip rate, as in this campaign I had 7 at the end. it was turn 251 though and i always focus scouting before putting into spells

[@mephisto04]

I don't see the link to this guy's channel.

[@petrgrebenicek1067]

It might have started as legit run, but than he had to fight the battle, so he trait managed what he planned and wasn't able to get?

[@christophermcanally1246]

Really well done 1-woman doomstack, nice.

[@robertc.5558]

Finally some Katerine love. Wish she had an ice wall ability. Summon a small curved icewall to block a side, or an entrance i thinn would be realistic seeing as she controls ice.

[@huxflux1513]

Nice man and no sword of khaine This is gonna be good

[@chris.p.chyken9899]

If I have 3 characters all equipped with mirror of the ice queen, does the dmg stack?

[@ruukinen]

Passives with the same name do not stack.

[@chris.p.chyken9899]

@@ruukinen thx

[@Pontifex777]

FOR KISLEV!

[@quint3ssent1a]

Kislev is land. Land is Kislev. © a kislevite proverb.

[@Mihailop21]

Can some one explain to me what world save exactly mean?

[@SWBGTOC]

Ward Save, it reduces damage from all sources and it stacks with other resistances like physical resistance

[@darthdaze4929]

that is girls powah right there

[@unknowguy9642]

Legend i dont think you have put this guy Chanel in the discription like you said yet Or is it my end and i couldnt see it?

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

its mine, but i think he'll link my comment, not sure what time it is in Oz

[@matthewboehler2540]

This was a good one

[@gregoryshinn9805]

Thanks for the video

[@UndoubtablySo]

why is she not on her mount, does mounts take away something

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

Hi, i used her on the mount during campaign, but for taking on 3 stacks its too big, it gets hit by way more units. Interestingly though, Katarin is the only lord i know of where putting them on a bigger mount doesnt lower their melee atk and/or damage

[@ruukinen]

@@totalwar-hamster4518 The bear mount is like a horse instead of like a monster. Horsies usually don't lower stats either.

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

@@ruukinen true enough. The cavalry version is called bear cav rather than monstrous cav iirc. They probably do something similar with the bretonian changes

[@russ2120]

Link to the youtube?

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

its mine, he'll probs sticky my comment

[@alexanderwetherell4779]

I mean sword of khaine just defeats the point of a 1man doomstack because it does all the work also zao is a incredible 1man /dragon doomstack

[@hatimzeineddine8723]

I think the enemy heros and lords were what did the most damage

[@vristeciorao]

is there maximum number of traits?

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

yup, 40. Its a bit more complex than that though but you can google some good explanations

[@vristeciorao]

@@totalwar-hamster4518 tnx

[@compsciGames]

Where is the person's KZbin?

[@hakobian2162]

14:26 looks like battles about done....oh wait....

[@Cross_111]

Somehow i think of the release trailer of wh3 with her in it by seeing that hihi 😮❤

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

Funnily enough i got the idea to build this based off loading screen quotes. The devs keep saying they leave hints in the quotes, and there seemed to be a lot about her nuking whole armies

[@kyledabearsfan]

Man, i should give angry Elsa a try

[@craftycraff7938]

Why not just check the traits first to see if it’s been modded? Exit out of the fight and check…

[@YUZOOOA]

Katarina is playing vermintide 2 lol

[@maartencuyvers6017]

So what vid is this from?

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

its mine, he'll probs sticky my comment

[@kleomenis456]

Don't underestimate her.

[@Shero1337]

Link to the Creators KZbin?

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

ITs mine, i only do a few vids, but there's a few on there with other non sword of khaine stacks.

[@magdal6006]

What's the problem with trash traits, and why are you calling them that?

[@kentknightofcaelin4537]

Waste of trait slots

[@magdal6006]

@@kentknightofcaelin4537 thanks)

[@Dur677]

i do this to. just call the legendary for the traits

[@lukeottaway5660]

Think you forgot to provide the link for the guy's channel.

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

its mine, he will probably sticky my post when its normal hours in Oz

[@kurzor0007]

Why not put Katarin on her bear?

[@rubyismycatman7335]

One woman doomstack sounds like my wife lol

[@EvansdiAl]

ah yes, winning battles by using invisible wall, ofc

[@west-vf7qj]

You should do a ranking of all of the A and S tier legendary lords for the combat prowess alone without the sword of Khaine

[@MGM003]

1 over casted pit of shades and it’s over for them

[@ruukinen]

HoW does more damage so if one HoW didn't do it. Pit of shades won't either.

[@Pilgrym52]

I've had to edit this because I inflicted suffering with my original wording. I apologise to all affected parties and will strive to do better in the future.

[@pleasantdemoss3548]

No woke mo is one of the cringiest things I’ve ever read in my life

[@aaronstorey9712]

? What

[@erensametkaratas6593]

You forgot to add the link to the guys KZbin channel

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

its mine, he will probably sticky my post when its normal hours in Oz

[@planomathandscience]

Know u hate it, but heart of winter, used properly, is superb

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

you know it! Its never been easier to create blobs in this series, so I'm baffled by those who don't like it

[@xx_yeet_xx2630]

@@totalwar-hamster4518 when I watched legends magic teir list I was so confused why ice wasn't higher, all my memories of using it are just melting half an army while my streltsi and armoured kossars emerge from the woods to insta volley the other half to death. God I love kislev.

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

@@xx_yeet_xx2630 Yeah i was the same, I did joke about that with him in the email.Its partly down to playstyle, and paartly down to ppl fixating on certain viewpoints. For example the talk in the comments about how Morghur would rek the single entities, or how she's just not a good melee fighter. These people are looking at things with a closed mind. Morghur and her have almost the same battle stats. Plus i soloed Belakor and 3 RoR greater Daemons with her! Still, my only goal was to try and have fun, whilst opening ppl's minds a bit to something other than the sword of Khaine

[@Omertahun]

that was amazing

[@isaacgorski6054]

Heart of winter is the highest damage spell in the game with a massive aoe. But the problem is that you normally have to sacrifice a unit to hold them there

[@ruukinen]

It doesn't hit friendlies so I don't know what you mean with sacrifice.

[@UndeadMongoose301]

Before anyone takes this video as a ringing endorsement of how good Heart of Winter is, keep in mind that first cast was probably the closest thing to a perfect scenario for that spell. Lots of blobbed up units already weakened due to the mortis engine, who won't try to dodge because they're hyper focused on a lone single entity. All HoW did was finish them off. The second cast (which was also an overcast) is much more representative of the typical outcome of Heart of Winter, the only units that were wiped out were the low health ratling guns and most of the infantry that stood in the area the entire duration are still healthy enough to be a threat.

[@ruukinen]

Sure but both casts did 100k~ damage. So both of them performed similarly.