How is Werner Werman Tied to the Howling Aces - Cuphead DLC

[@Pogobro]

Almost 5k Likes! Crazy....

[@honestlyidontknow6513]

More like 20

[@RavenclawNimbus]

More like 6K! XD Awesome video btw!

[@dawsenasome2955]

It’s not verner Vernin is Werner wermin

[@applesaretasty2.099]

@@dawsenasome2955 it’s pronounced verner vermin mate Mainly because he’s German

[@robloxnoobcommunity8452]

Hey YT I got some news, the radio in elder kettle house is like the butterfly's Edit: Way to go for the subs, man!

[@ethansanchez6267]

Werner Werman has always reminded me of this article talking about how a man in Florida built a home-made tank and the police had no idea how to stop him

[@Whisperi0r]

Is there an article link you can give or something?

[@oikawasreplacementrighttoe3051]

@@Whisperi0r I found a video on it but it has a bit of his background and such. The Link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKCch6iVjZufgdk

[@Gencrossbones]

Ahh good old kill dozer

[@Gencrossbones]

@@Whisperi0r no but in KZbin there are news videos of that

[@Astr0iceDrag0n]

Now that's funny

[@chadstreamsam9864]

Funfact: Katzenwagen is german and would be translated to "catcar". This is a Joke on german tanks in WW1 and early WW2, most of them were named "panzerwagen" wich translates to "armored car" because they usually were regular cars with a metal protection and a MG on the roof

[@asfjsijsjdr6493]

No shit sherlock

[@RedneckSith]

Yup, and actual tanks were 'panzerkampfwagen', or 'armored battle car'. Though 'panzerwagen' was still used to refer to light armored vehicles.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

The Howling Aces being dogs as the part of the Air Force could be a reference or inspired from _"Snoopy and the Red Baron"._ You know, a beagle riding the doghouse to fight his rival plane?

[@nobodynexus]

Why did I think of the dog of wisdom video when I read this- Now I can't stop thinking about that but it's the howling aces and IDK maybe Hilda cause she starts off on a cloud like the other dog

[@Matias-fh2hf]

I thought it was a reference to tailspin the old disney show

[@Handlelesswithme]

I think it is more that Winston Churchill who was tied to the British royal Air Force which is the most decorated one in WW2 look like a bullldog It could be a combination of both

[@Gowvideos]

I think it's because the battles the air force have are called dogfights

[@HansVinlin]

dog fighters

[@extrahistory8956]

I see it this way: - Werner is a WW1 veteran from the Central Powers (either Austria-Hungary or Germany) in either the Western or the Balkans front or even during the Gallipoli campaign. - Werner's platoon could have captured the enemy's flag and medals during some sort of failed British amphibious attack, so that could explain the Union Jack and the British war memorabilia. - The cat could also be a reference to the Thompson submachine gun (also known as the "Tommy Gun"), which were widely produced from the end of WW1 until WW2. ACME could have taken it literally and produced literal Tom Cat Guns for mass production, thus explaining why the Howling Aces have access to them despite their seemingly lack of connections with Werner. Werner himself could have been inspired by them and attempted to create a far larger, more mechanized version of it from scratch. - The Howling Aces are using far more modern technology, so I imagine that they are more likely veterans of some smaller conflict from the interwar years (1919-1938), perhaps even volunteers of the Spanish Civil War. As a result they might be a new generation of war veterans that have little to no connection with Werner, who is still stuck in an outdated, World War 1-esque mentality

[@Pogobro]

thats a very well thought out theory, I like it!

[@walkerphillips2818]

I still think he’s a German traitor.

[@andymcclurg9916]

"from scratch"...haha

[@extrahistory8956]

@@andymcclurg9916 I mean, if a man was able to build a near impenetrable bulldozer in his garage from scratch, I don't see why a clever rat can't do it too.

[@LPSLuna716]

@@extrahistory8956 They were laughing at how OP used “from scratch” and one of the attacks from the cat mech is scratching at you.

[@Daman6973]

In the cuphead comic books, Werner werman says “ I want to fight, but there is no more war “ implying he was in war.

[@sidneyreading1103]

or that he wanted to be in the war but didnt get the chance

[@gamermab0181]

but, the comic is cannon ?

[@jobietench]

there's a cuphead comic?

[@yanuelomarsancheznieves8842]

@@jobietench Yes, the comics are very good I recommend you look for them

[@Handlelesswithme]

I think Werner is a reference to the Neo Nazi fella in the producers

[@glo_bin]

I assumed that the ghosts were war prisoners. Or maybe just holograms, with how they move if you defeat the robot while they're active Also, during WW1, British soldiers were commonly called Tommies, while Germans were Jerries.

[@StreamFamily]

They are said to be real in the art book. so either he trapped them in there to starve to death or the rat is a cannibal.

[@glo_bin]

@@StreamFamily Then they're probably war prisoners. The Geneva Conventions weren't writtne until 1949 so maybe he just killed them during the war

[@KoopatoadYT]

"Tommies and Jerries" mdhr knew what they were doing

[@tailsthefox2459]

I also thought they were prisoners of war

[@Lemoninacup-b9f]

No, they were fake mice…

[@SkykiUwU]

About the parrying thing, I’m pretty sure everyone can just parry if they learn how since Angel(the fishing fish) mentioned that she was gonna parry the boys

[@reasonablequit7535]

I have a theory that Hughes doesn’t hate the Howling Aces, rather I think that The Saluki Pilot is his rival, knowing that they both built machines and fly planes, Hughes wouldn’t want to miss a chance at beating his rival

[@theconfirmedaxisversion014]

I know I'm probably not the first person to point this out, but here's some trivia: Since Werner is extremely based off of German soldiers and the flag in the battle is most likely owned by Katzenwagen's owner (who probably doesn't know he's a robot) then Katzenwagen is somewhat British so when taking in that British soldiers were called Tommies and German soldiers Jerries it becomes a 30000 iq reference

[@thesovietmuffin8139]

That would make since because maybe Werner earned the German medal himself but stole any other war memorabilia around katzenwagens owners house because he remembered the look of it all from the war and katzenwagens owner fought in the real WW1

[@duckonaroll1913]

Since Werner is extremely based

[@flyaway8483]

The royal family of the UK are German as well, Windsor's orginal name was Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, had to change due to anti-German sentiments during the two world wars. So it could be a reference that the Jerry is still in control of the Tommy

[@cheeseteakwon]

If you acronym his name then you get WW1

[@thesovietmuffin8139]

@@cheeseteakwon no…

[@SpitfiretheCat16]

Consider: The cat that the Bulldog uses is a real cat, and Katzenwagen is modeled after it.

[@allp1nk92]

The english flag probably belongs to the cat making him a Tom which is slang for an English soldier during World War I and this means Werner Wermin is German that makes him a Jerry which is slang for a German soldier during world war 1

[@VilaToro64]

Wow I absolutely the slang term for Jerry but I didn't know the slang term for Tom I'll start looking at Tom and Jerry in a different way now

[@TheRealSuperKirby]

Bro these references have so many layers

[@jandell7868]

I’m not sure if it’s ever been covered but I think it’d be cool to theorize on why each boss has a soul contract with the devil, what deals did each of them make?? Or did they all fall into the trap of making a bet with the devil?

[@neptuniamarina4924]

Since they're all in debt to the devil, I assume that means they all made Deals with the devil. This could actually play into this theory, I always assumed The Rat sold his soul for Katzewagon. But its entirely possible He sold his soul to be a war hero.

[@heartsybeats45]

That topic has bin explored in the Casino Cups ask blog you could check it out to see what the creator of the blog thought that the reasons some of the bosses have contracts was If you check it out I recommend watching VO Adam's comic dub of the Casino Cups

[@heartsybeats45]

I would like to see a video like this as well :D

[@glimmerstantroop46321]

Goopy sold his soul for a pill. Change my mind

[@rattenLord_]

I wanted infinite cigars

[@Lord_Jamilson]

It's interesting how Canteen Hughes is piloting a biplane while the bulldog of the Howling Aces has a monoplane, the plane that Cuphead pilots is also a small monoplane, so at some point in the past Canteen Hughes could be involved in a war when biplanes were the most accessible technology at the time (like WWI which happened in the 1910's).

[@Ant_Eater78]

This is my theory: Werner was apart of the war(the German part)and the howling aces are on the British side cuz of the bulldog referencing Winston Churchill before the war Werner made katzenwagon as a weapon and the howling aces bought it and the reason Werner has the flag and two medals is a keepsake for him

[@FreshestCool]

That’s a good one. Here’s mine: German soldiers did steal and use British tanks, so maybe Katzenwagon did belong to the Howling Aces, but Werner stole it and added a bunch of stuff to it because he’s out of his mind.

[@Ant_Eater78]

@@FreshestCool smart

[@Lemoninacup-b9f]

Nope that is all fake.

[@noktinnkynoktinnky1329]

@@Lemoninacup-b9f everything is

[@Ant_Eater78]

@@Lemoninacup-b9f who said this was all real this is cuphead which stars three living porcelain snapping at I am ate objects to give to Satan but double cross him

[@d.g.6147]

"Acme" is an actual word, meaning "peak" or "highest point". The Acme Corporation in the old WB cartoons was so named to imply, probably ironically, that its products were top quality.

[@AmIJuliaGon]

I'm just so glad that there's people who like to discuss about Cuphead lore I swear, by any video you post i get more and more excited about this game

[@debater452]

I think there could be a connection between Cala Maria and Captain Brineybeard. In Cala's boss fight we see multiple destroyed ships in the background which look a lot like pirate ships. One of Cala's attacks is shooting out ghost pirates. In Brineybeards fight he dosen't seem to have crue which is od since he is a Pirate Captain and his boat is big enough to have multiple people. Cala is also possibly based on Sirens who are famous for luering sailors to their death's. Also this can't be a covinsidence since you unlock Cala by beating Brineybeard so that could be a connection. So my theory is that Cala killed Brineybeard's crue

[@tortle3333]

In the Cuphead Show intro, it shows Captain Briney Beard using a telescope in Cala Maria's direction. Might be a coincidence though.

[@debater452]

@@tortle3333 Still it could meaby hint that Brineybeard is trying to hunt down Cala. That could also be why he has an robotick Ship since Cala could not luer it like his former crew and why the ship has a giant lazer attack since Cala is so much bigger that could be the only way to take her down

[@Memorie__]

Cala also used to have a ship on her head in early designs. Maybe it was Briney’s old ship that housed him and his crew that is now gone.

[@Garbo_trashcan]

Brineybeard hunting down Cala would make a lot of sense. I imagine he bargained with the Devil to get a new crew after Cala killed his, but the Devil gave him a 'crew' in the form of sea creatures and turning his ship into a whale.

[@debater452]

@@Garbo_trashcan Wait Brineybeards Ship is a whale I thougth it was a robot like the Aces dog plane

[@Punykirby]

If you notice, when the Bulldog squeezes the cat, it actually squishes and looks in pain I think it's possible that the cat in the Howling Aces is a real cat, while Katzenwagen was based on whoever this cat is Considering the Howling Aces are Dogs, and the cat seems to be abused, possibly the cat could be a prisoner of war, being forced to help them, maybe the Cat was a part of the German force like Werner, and he made Katzenwagen in memory of his fallen ally

[@coyoteprime3239]

Because he had both British and German medals, he might have been a German mole (rat. Mole rat) in the British army and served as a spy and traitor before getting ptsd and reliving his time in war. When he was serving undercover in the British army, he made KatzenWagen as a tank. He turned on the howling commandos but not before using it to kill other rats (Unknown which side.) Werner was presumed dead after the war but his ptsd caused him to make military gadgets and attack anyone that messes with him. As he sabotaged the commandos, they hated Werner and they attacked the cups only because they spared Werner.

[@Adir-Yosef]

here is a cool theory: 1. the cat bot was a real cat but was killed by a combined werner (and his team) + howling aces teamup 2. the rat ghosts in the cat bot are his former team mates who died in combat to the cat 3. one of the wars was between the rats and the cats, the dogs joined in on the rat's side that the war has won on the side of the rats 4. werner's deal with the devil is possible the ability to create such things as: a cat bot which can hold souls of the dead, a tank made out of a soup can and bottle cap saw blades

[@liljagey]

These cuphead lore vids are great, definitely deserves a sub, one you should do is “How Ribby and Croaks connect to the moonshine mob” or “How rootpack is connected to chef saltbaker.”

[@Pogobro]

thanks! I am working on a really long theory video right now, but after that will probably take a short break from cuphead and do some stuff on cult of the lamb etc

[@miclipscountry]

Fun fact: ACME stands for “A Company that Makes Everything” in other cartoons.

[@harizzafran7973]

Shouldn’t it be ACTME then?

[@brandonmaverick6437]

@@harizzafran7973Articles(words like ‘A’ ‘The’ ‘That’ ‘And’) are usually excluded from abbreviations

[@canaisyoung3601]

That does explain why they're the company of choice in the Looney Tunes cartoons (particularly the Road Runner and Wile E Coyote shorts, but there are other LT shorts and Looney Tunes-inspired series like Tiny Toon Adventures that have ACME as a company/brand name).

[@Sonarlinx]

ACME is also in the root pack fight aswell

[@dddd-is9dh]

I think that Werner kinda switched sides during the war, that's why there are medals from both Austria and Britain. Talented engineer who got a very generous offer (and so ghosts are his former allies, who may be killed by him) or was jailed and tortured to near-death (then ghostst will be not so lucky inmates).

[@croqueta330]

An Austro-Hungarian soldier couldn't switch sides,since he would either die as a Prisoner of War or would be killed in the chaos of the battlefield.

[@Lemoninacup-b9f]

@@croqueta330 wow, good guess!

[@saphiriathebluedragonknight375]

Maybe he was German, but worked as a mercenary.

[@unholynoise3087]

I know it was during ww2, but there was a guy that got both the German Iron cross, and whatever the British version of a heros badge because he was such a good spy for the allies Germany thought he was a war hero for them. Maybe there might be simular situation. Werner is smart so he might've been able to pull it off. Maybe he was originally with the Germans, but then became some sort of spy and helped both Austria and Britain so well he got medals, or vice versa. Though most likely not, but it sounds fun.

[@walkerphillips2818]

@@unholynoise3087 dang that’s a good theory!

[@Kohchu]

I'd like to think that maybe Werman and the Howling Aces were old comrades in arms. I know that sounds a little odd, since one is clearly based on the British aircraft, and one is the German's with hints to being among the Marine corps; but... we don't exactly get a solid hint on which side of the line Werman was on. While it's easy to point and go 'he's German, so he must've been against the British.' If he lived in Britain, there is always a chance he could've been drafted to fight for the nation's freedom, and refusal likely would've seen him removed due to the security risk he might've posed (I'm pretty sure if you live in one country, you're expected to uphold the security of the country you live in, and choice to fight would influence whether you can stay, or be removed so); which means there is a chance he might've willingly, or unwillingly fought either alongside, or against them, depending on his choice; which would make the presence of the British flag and medals; make more sense to imply he fought willingly alongside them. Then again, it could also imply that being a Rat; Werman would steals things from the people he downed, so that's entirely up for interpretation. As for the Howling Aces; I think the reason they have the same cat; is because the Cat they have is the real cat, and the cat Werman has is a robot replica of that cat, he built to aid him in combat. Having it, would allow him to fake his own death; to make it seem convincing to his enemies he was out of the picture; only for him to retreat and come back later with info against them.

[@croqueta330]

Winston Churchill was prime minister of the Uk during WW2.Not WW1. 5:12

[@Pogobro]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Why did you point that out you fiend

[@adumbfurry7036]

Also, the chinook pilot, who is known as Sanuki, is wearing a WW2 german nazi outfit.

[@manfromleshadows6639]

Well done. I couldn’t find that because I don’t study the history of wars and such!

[@Perellux]

Captain Churchill, but monke actually

[@croqueta330]

@@Pogobro because I'm a nerd.

[@RetroB4k3r]

Ya know I love seeing the fact that the two bosses in cupheas that are my favourite go together in theories

[@aspen1606]

2:37 actually I collect WW1 and am very well versed on items from the time. That particular medal is based on the British 1918 service medal. On the right hanging up is also identifying tags that were worn by British soldiers. To the right of the medals are various nic Nacs that jumble as Werner shoots. These are meant to emulate artillery shells but for…mice. Elder Kettle is probably either an American soldier or a Canadian based on his uniform.

[@Pogobro]

oh thats cool! thanks for explaining that one :)

[@aspen1606]

@@Pogobro the moldenhaurs actually depicted WW1 pretty well in the game and show.

[@rannochanno3268]

I did ask this on the Cuphead Reddit. Based off of the uniforms of bother Elder Kettle and Werner, people really indicated that the war E.K. would have fought in was World War 1. Some said that he was part of the British army, which isn't entirely wrong but during that same war, American soldiers had a similar uniform to the British, though not 100% the same. I think in the terms of Inkwell having a military, either it does but we have not had any indication, or the closet we ever get is a few people who've had experience with war and some are some small militant factions. I even went far as thinking that the screens of the various wars occuring in the show were tied towards a war that happened around the 1930s but it got a bit weird. As in one was related to the Spanish Civil War, the one with the bombers was related to Italy's invasion of Abyssinia and the tanks relating to the German invasion of Poland. And if you know your history, that doesn't make any sense. But, hey :)

[@Aeistheticism]

A dogfight is an aerial battle involving planes, and you're also fighting dogs. Doggone means annoying, surprising, or pleasurable, possibly describing how the player would feel about the Howling Aces stage. "Doggone Dogfight" is a perfect name for it.

[@alchemy5750]

Well its a mouse, and a group of dogs. They have a pretty obvious common enemy, so I don't think it's a stretch that the aces and Werman served together.

[@thegary9756]

About that flag, at the beginning of great war soldiers try to capture the flag as an act of victory of sorts. It was a big part of warfare in general at least until WW1. That war change everything. In any case that's explains why it's there

[@NickAndriadze]

*5:44* Finally, FINALLY somebody acknowledges that the mechanical dog at third phase is a god damn Chinook, not a plane! Finally, at least someone knows the definitions of war vehicles...

[@diamondmemer9754]

They seem to be on the same side so they probably reused inventions or that is an actual cat that Werner's invention is based on, referencing how all cats or dogs looked the same in old cartoons

[@gunnarzockt8036]

i think that if werner is german it is nown that german ifentens were stolen so it is probebly the same cat but made biger by wernars tele

[@nicothiel1709]

Maybe the howling aces are from ww2 becus if you defete ths dogs in the secret fase then you can see a thing on her schulder (sry for bad english)

[@videakias3000]

maybe weren werman has received a mild inspiration from soldier from team fortress 2 who calls himself a soldier although he has never served in the army (possibly because he is crazy) and gave himself some medals which he believes he deserved.

[@legoc-3po845]

Something reallly weird that the Cuphead show revealed is that Werner has an ENGLISH accent instead of German, Austrian or even British so that means he might actually be American. So i guess he actually belonged to the Ally Powers (both Britain and USA, along some other countries) and because of a case of PTSD from the war he collects stuff from both Austria and Germany. That would also explain why he releases prisoner rats to help him, but it is uncertain wether they are enemies he killed or allies that died.

[@XAEzl]

Glad I'm not the only on noticing Werner in the Howling Aces fight

[@rc8376]

Werner doesn’t kill other mice. When you defeat a ghost, they seem to glitch out with electricity then disappear

[@kermitle]

i have no idea if the comics are canon or not, but in the second volume, there's a section about werner and mugman, and werner says "life is der wurst! i vas one high riding rat during the fatten kasetage (whatever that means) of zee great scrap! but now, zer ist no more war!" which would imply that he did indeed serve in some kind of war, most likely ww1 for obvious reasons. as for him serving on the british side or german side, im fairly certain he served for germany, and the british medals and flag are probably just from whoever owns the house, and werner took them simply because he's a rat and he enjoys hoarding things, or he collects war related items, which i'm pretty sure is the case. apologies for rambling, im very interested in this topic so i tend to get a bit carried away lmao

[@SwiftpawWolffox]

I like the idea that Werner wasn't an actual soldier, but someone that horded memoriabilia (military and otherwise, thus the soup can for the tank and the bottle caps), and is using his mechanical skills to build tributes to warfare with his tank and (mouse) traps. Maybe some of those British things are filched from the Aces. Some of the caps are from the casino, which is probably how he got in trouble with the Devil. Katzenwagon being revealed as another Werner contraption also could be seen as a reference to how Tom and Jerry, while rivals, would also team up against someone that cheesed off both of them.

[@andymcclurg9916]

The "Doggone Dogfight" song goes _so_ hard, it's definitely the best song of the DLC

[@jakobgreene202]

Little factoid about the trousers Werner is wearing They seem to be faded m1907/10 trousers, the main issue combat trousers of the German army in ww1, and all of the minor kingdoms and such. You can see by the faded stripe down the side of the pants and the fact he has what appears to be a suspender strap attached to one side

[@Batzzylol]

In I believe one of the cuphead comic books, Werner is seen crying on the side of the road because he has nothing to do with his inventions because the *war* is over

[@walkerphillips2818]

Maybe the big Dog Chinook helicopter thing was built by Dr. Khal, and was a prototype for what would become Dr. Khal’s Robot. Edit: Werner could be a traitor to the German army, seeing as he has 2 medals from Great Britain, yet only one from Germany. Also, to be an ace, you have to kill no less than 5 people in a dogfight, meaning that The Howling Aces have canonically killed at least 30 people.

[@DarkPsychoMessiah]

Not necessarily kill, just shot down the enemy planes

[@walkerphillips2818]

@@DarkPsychoMessiah oh ok

[@lullabye4053]

Perhaps the owner of the home, or even just the cat, is responsible for the british flag. That would make the cat a Tommy and Werner a Jerry

[@averygwyn1857]

technically inkwell isle could be at war with whatever is over at the coast, what with the "it's just off the coast mabye 29 miles" line in the show's theme song

[@ruthy3481]

This really makes sence makes you think there is more lore than you thought in cuphead

[@Glisten456]

"There aren't really any factions at war with each other on the Isles" *Beppi the Clown has entered the chat*

[@greensoda123]

Honestly this theory makes a lot of sense considering lots of cartoons were also inspired and made during wars back in the day.

[@certifiablyRad]

I’ve always imagined the british flag was something the cat’s ‘owners’ (in quotations since it’s a mech) had there, and it hung over because it was broken. Also, Werner could’ve stole the medals.

[@zombietunafish4752]

The British medals and flags could be souvenirs he took off of soldiers he killed

[@Astr0iceDrag0n]

That's pretty morbid, but I like it

[@puckkrz01]

The the DLC boss, I never tied the cats together. I always just assumed the cat, who looked like Tom, was a reference to the fighter plane: “Tom Cat”

[@KSMSOIK]

I have a theory about Werner werman. I think he’s from Austria and one of his parents was German and they named him Werner he was taught German technology and moved to The uk, so then he served in the war and moved to Inkwell isles

[@meandmyboys8728]

Here is a theory, Ester Winchester, (the cow in the dlc) is a cannibal, she tries to get a meatball from saltbaker, some meatballs are made from beef, if so, that would explain the wanted poster

[@penguin6775]

i love how the mic cuts when he talkss about when silksong is realising. we all understand the pain.

[@Ze_N00B]

2:00 The slang term "Jerries" was used to describe members of the Axis Powers during WW2. Him both being a reference to Jerry from Tom & Jerry and him being German could be a reference to that. Additionally, the Howling Aces in general could be seen as a reference and pun on the term "dogfighting", which is what aerial combat is referred to as.

[@Byssa6]

Wasn’t “Jerries” also used in the first one?

[@DeutschesSoldat1916]

Ich habe ein theory: Werner was ein veteran of der erste Weltkrieg, as ein part of ein Deutsches Panzer platoon, becoming ein panzer engineer. After der Krieg, er went zu Inkwell Isle und hid in ein haus that nur happened zu be ein British veteran. Seit er war in ein Deutcshes army, Werner stole die British medals, Union Jack und other British war memorabilia out of spite. Die Howling Aces were ein part of ein British Air Force that disbanded after der erste Weltkrieg. Sie then set up an Air Force militia zu defend Inkwell Isle und were given advancing aviation technology by ein spy in American und Britain, which is warum Sie were able to macht ein groß und advanced plane.

[@MsSwitch]

While I don't personally consider the Show or the Comics canon, I do think the Comics do get quite overlooked and could be used for insights on characters, as in Cuphead Volume 2 "Cartoon Chronicles & Calamities" the first titled story, "Building Blast Off!" features Werner Werman as the central character. In the very beginning of the story Werner calls himself "vone high-riding rat during Die Fatten Kasetage of Zee Great Scrap!" This would clearly state he does have military experience in war as he even calls it a war saying "zer ist no more war!"

[@The_KaMillion]

Since inkwell isle 4 is separated from the rest of the isles while still being named “inkwell isle” i would say it’s safe to assume one of the isles declared war and isle 4 lost, becoming part of the inkwell empire

[@gabrielplayz8647]

I’m just excited for the second part of the astral plane video. The slug creature from djimi the greats circoficas has the astral plane on the inside and uses it to summon small mummy ghosts

[@Pogobro]

working on it. Its a long video though haha

[@gabrielplayz8647]

@@Pogobro ok and thanks for replying though and the first time we hear about the Astro plane was one of the supers from the base game or specifically the invincibility super art’s description

[@finneatsfeet1855]

The bulldog at the beginning of the fight is wearing a red beret, which is commonly worn by the British paratrooper division

[@kirbykraftgames]

Werner's Tom and Jerry reference goes further than just visual similarities, Werner is a rat with a German name, and wearing German military apparel (the spiked helmet worn by them during WW1), while the owner of the house (and probably the "owner" of the Katzenwagen) is British due to the Union Jack flag, Germans in WW1 were known as Gerries (Jerries) and the Brits were known as Tommies, it's literally a layered Tom and Jerry reference and I find it hilarious

[@coleodonoghue2981]

Fun fact: the can that Werner Warman rides in is probably a reference to how some soldiers made bombs out of soup cans

[@Sleepyshy712]

I actually have an idea for the astral world theory, what if the devil was made in The realm like it’s where he was born or created. We do see characters that look exactly like him, so what if there was a race and the devil is the last of his kind, maybe cause of the war, and he gets revenge by having ink well under his rule with the deals and being very powerful.

[@Narteketh]

the potion most likely didnt give you the parry ability, the fish right outside the first mausoleum talks about hitting you with the parry move, so it seems everybody can just parry

[@ketchupsauce_owo]

I feel like beppi the goddamn clown will tie all the lore together

[@gamersgamestorm8291]

While you mention the Inkwell Isles are isolated, there is the opening lines to the cuphead show theme song “Come on down to the Inkwell Isles. Just off the coast maybe 29 miles” This implies that the isles are somewhat near a mainland Thought the map of the isles in the theme song seem to be inconsistent to the game, with quadratus, the water spirit that tells you how many times you died, is located between elder kettle’s house and Hilda Berg’s observatory, which are inkwell 1, not 2. So take the Intro with a grain of salt

[@jessicapinkman-xm2eg]

the show is not canon idiot you can't use it as evidence

[@tylerb.gaming762]

What if in this cartoon version of WW1 the ghost mice were actually on the apposing side of Werner Werman so he locked up the mice inside the mecha cat (which could be based on the one in the howling aces fight) so that the mice on the same side as the prisoner mice wouldn’t be the wiser and would naturally be afraid of the giant cat, so Werner probably just left them to die in the cat

[@tommyfox854]

Maybe the war on Inkwell is the war between The Devils' goons/imps and the peaceful people of the Isle, it could've been raging on for centuries if those ruins are to be believed. Perhaps Challis and the rest of the cups were round one, Elder Kettle and the aces were round two and Cuphead & Mugman was the finishing round three.

[@dragons6711]

Idea:Werner Swiched sides mid-war and gave the Bowling Aces their tech also explaining all his medals. Also I saw the Eiffel Tower joke.

[@Pogobro]

no no thats the tower of london

[@TonyIsTheMan]

That ending was just like mossbag lol great vid

[@Idontlikeanyonehere]

I like to think that the Union Jack and 2 British war medals are things Werner stole from the house owner, implying the Werner was a German soldier (which were nicknamed *jerry*) and the owner and by proxy the cat, even if it’s a mech British (which were nicknamed *tom*mies) making Werner and the cat, Tom and Jerry.

[@alexandrajones4518]

Maybe Werner and the Howling Aces joined forces, and Werner repurposed Katzenwagen to shoot yarn balls as a cannon. As for the size difference between Katzenwaggen's size in Werner's fight versus the Howling Ace's fight, I'll attribute that to you shrinking to fight Werner.

[@xlife.lightx]

Now that season 2 came out, it could be possible that the marine medals and the British flag could actually be Elder Kettle's. I like to think that Werner does have PTSD that makes him steal medals and flags as some sort of 'conquest of territories'.

[@Pogobro]

The show isnt really in the same timeline as the game

[@epicscythe5538]

Theory: Inkwell's residents may have gone to war with the calix amini (the "clan" that chalice was in before she died) and they may have recruited werner, the howling aces, and maybe elder kettle (if the show is canon) and it may have been the reason that rugged ridge exists because it was destroyed by inkwell's military

[@epicscythe5538]

There are probably way too many holes in this theory -_-

[@venomgaming7014]

Fun fact: the cat mech’s name is the catzenwagen. Wagen in German is car, so it’s essentially called “cat-car”

[@battybuddy]

One thing that I should mention, Acme MOSTLY sells the basic stuff, it's the fact that the coyotes using them in combination with eachother to try to make road runner traps, or he doesn't read all the fine details that state how this "doesnt work on roadrunners" that make the products dangerous,

[@redumbreonandgreenchicorit9176]

I have a explanation on the British medals owned by werman, Katsanvagen ( the cat ) is Tom *AND A TOM* which is apparently a British soldier ( side note: jerry is the term for a German soldier sooo……… yeah………… )

[@acescalifornia773]

I'm pulling this idea out of nowhere, but could a potential war in the Cuphead universe be between characters who are animal based, against those item based? It would make sense for Werner and the Howling Aces to serve beside each other (Despite in real life being inspired by both sides of WW1), while explaining why the flask guy is our pilot in the Howling Aces fight, and seems to do this role enthusiastically. It would also explain why the mechs used in these fights; Katz and the Chinook are both animal-based themselves, as a side who is representing animal based characters wouldn't want their mechs to look anything but animalistic to follow the ideals they are fighting for.

[@thedoctor1_125]

An interesting thing I noticed is that the soundtracks Murine Corps and Aviary Action seem to share a motif. This could imply a connection, especially since cats are stereotyped as bird killers as well as mice and rats.

[@scrunglebungle6767]

A potential tie-in between the Howling Aces and Werner Werman is that he was a German soldier/engineer from Austria who defected to the British side during the conflict. Him being an engineer who defected could explain why both he and the Howling Aces have the Katzenwagen, due to it being an invention made by him during the war. It could also explain why he has both German and British war medals and memorabilia.

[@Hiiii000]

Ok so for the cat in the 2 boss fights…. Cuphead and Mugman could have shrunk on some mysterious circumstances. So the cat looks big in the first fight, but then in the howling aces boss fight cup and mug (Nickname) must’ve grown back

[@sab_bbrinaz]

The fact that I am in the uk for vacation, landed 4 days ago, and we just kinda looked up a bunch of stuff about ww1 and Winston Churchill

[@favorites2170]

Werner:"spawns ghost mice" Cuphead:canabilisam

[@PootisSpencerHeeyah]

This probably means nothing but you can see ACME soil in the root pack fight

[@MatthewChenault]

It’s all a reference to World War I and the Interwar period (along with some subtle World War II references). Werner’s first name happens to be the same name as Werner Von Braun, a German scientist most notable for the development of the V2 during the Second World War. However, it’s fairly obvious that Werner is meant to represent the mentality of the Great War, since most of what appears in his little lair is references to that war with the name being an outside tongue-and-cheek reference to the German’s capability of designing _Wunderwaffe._ As for the Howling Aces, they’re meant to represent the Interwar fascination with Aircraft and flight in general, which was commonplace during the 1920’s and 1930’s thanks to the exploits of the time (Charles Lindbergh, Richard E. Byrd, etc). It seems the Flying Aces are meant to be modeled after that, though with more of a military spin.

[@Thehatguywho]

Inkwell Isle four was originally connected to the Isle but they had a war so it’s split off

[@TheOneAndOnlyAnt24]

YEESS ILOVE THESE VIDEOS!! So glad you continued them :)

[@CybersoxK.T]

I believe Werner was an engineer for the German side during their war and eventually was captured by the howling Aces and then decided to work with them it would explain how they have the design for his cat Mech as well as why he has different metals. It would also explain why he is in depth of the devil maybe due to him having guilt / ptsd for betraying his country.

[@Sparkle8205]

Werner Werman is actually pronounced Verner Verman, as he’s supposed to be German, and we pronounce Ws like Vs usually, as with the case of Werner. Just in case anyone didn’t know ^_^

[@Pogobro]

yes as I stated I just felt really awkward pronouncing it that way, it came across bad in recording

[@speedrunmcporridge286]

I think King Dice could potentially have links to the moonshine mob,and the mob could have supplied the devils casino with their moonshine

[@anthonymarziano9984]

I Can't wait for Another of your crazy theory video, because they are Awesome, good theory I like that you that you did some research.

[@packosand3287]

Werner could have just been a ww1 vet who collects medals from dead soldiers because that happens alot during both world wars

[@highspeakerofthesluglord3475]

I think the rat designed technologies that were used in the war and sold them to both sides. He could have designed boats for the navy which would explain that award and the non registered one and he may have designed the cats for the howling aces and some tanks. The reason I think they were bought by both sides is he has the Austrian award and he has the German helmet he may have designed and sold to them. TLDR our rat friend designed technologies for both sides of the war of all varieties and got awards for it.

[@Creeper_6477]

Him: this is the flag of the United Kingdom Also him: *shows the Eiffel Tower*

[@CartoonFreddy5055]

I was thinking the ghosts in Warner werman were maybe holograms that Cuphead can shoot

[@realgod1002]

Okay here's something i just found out about Werner. he WAS part of the army once for a Side Quest in Inkwell Isle 4. u have to beat all the bosses. the NPC for this Sidequest says "The Tale of a Platoon Pest Gone Awol"... and the only character that fits this description is Werner Werman. (Rats being called a Pest) and a Platoon is a group of soldiers.

[@electricsheep1506]

If Werner isn't actually a ww1 veteran and is just crazy, he is super similar to the soldier from tf2.

[@pointsparkgamingandarts5146]

Everyone else:Wait why is there the cat from Tom and Jerry???? Him: Werner’s mech is in the dog fight, interesting

[@HannahBanina]

The theory I came across on TVTropes came to the conclusion that Werner is indeed Austrian, but defected over to the British at some point for whatever reason, and I personally like that idea a lot. No clue how historically viable that is, but also we’re in Fictionland, so who knows what kind of rules apply and what don’t. The Howling Aces, on the other hand… well I’ll be dead honest: aside from the bulldog indeed reminding me of the bulldog from the Tom and Jerry shorts, my first thought was actually TailSpin. More specifically Don Karnage and his crew. Aside from them, y’know, not being pirates, obviously.