How Jehovah's Witnesses Get The Holy Spirit Wrong

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@mostfunnestclass 2 ай бұрын

I really appreciate the video! I had two jehovah witnesses come to my door two weeks ago and I guess I had never even stopped to consider that some people would ignore the trinity. They’re coming back this Tuesday and I said I’d be ready for them so thank you! Please pray for me as I minister :)

@theologywithseth 2 ай бұрын

I sure will! Feel free to check out my other videos as well for some more tools in your toolbox. Remember to treat it like a friendly conversation and not a fight, and I think you'll have a great encounter!

@jacicollier6809 2 ай бұрын

I have been praying about the Holy Spirit and this is the exact perspective I needed. Thank you! Praise God

@theologywithseth 2 ай бұрын

I'm so glad to hear that! Thank you for your comment

@aaronwood8012 3 ай бұрын

“Light over dark ministry” is a brilliant channel

@weaselrjw 3 ай бұрын

Appreciate your depth and concise insight into this topic. Well done.

@theologywithseth 3 ай бұрын

Thank you! I appreciate you watching and commenting

@Sahira-123 3 ай бұрын

This was jut excellent!! THANK You!!

@theologywithseth 3 ай бұрын

I'm so glad you enjoyed it!

@zunir0a 3 ай бұрын

7:47 Something else to add here, the fact that Jesus refers to the Spirit as a He has even greater ramifications when you realize He was most-likely speaking Aramaic here and it was then translated to Greek. The Spirit being referred to with a masculine pronoun isn’t the best evidence since the masculine also refers to neuter nouns, and Πνεύμα (Spirit) is a neuter noun. Aramaic is different, there aren’t really neuter articles or pronouns, but for the most part the neuter article is the same as the masculine one, being הוא (hū.) The issue here is that the Aramaic word for Spirit, רוחא (rūḥā,) is feminine. If the words of Christ are being faithfully and perfectly preserved, then He would have been using masculine pronouns for the Spirit when the grammatical rules of His native tongue would presume feminine pronouns. He is actively breaking grammatical rules to make a theological point, something He is known to do (see John 8:58)

@JRTIGER07 3 ай бұрын

@@zunir0a Hello 🙋‍♂️ Great Post ..How would i go about adding or pasting Hebrew Words using my Phone 🤔 Any suggestions thank you 🙋‍♂️

@zunir0a 3 ай бұрын

@@JRTIGER07 In your Settings app, under General, under Keyboard, there’ll be a button for “Keyboards” where you can add new Keyboards

@JRTIGER07 3 ай бұрын

@@zunir0a Thanks Brother Bless you Shabbat Shalom 🙋‍♂️

@theologywithseth 3 ай бұрын

@zunir0a That's a great point! Thank you for sharing that with us!

@Berean_with_a_BTh 3 ай бұрын

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Greek text of the New Testament never refers to the Holy Spirit as 'he'. In Greek, πνεῦμα (pneuma) is a neuter noun, and the New Testament writers only ever used neuter articles and pronouns when referring to the Holy Spirit. The only time you'll find a masculine pronoun is in relation to the Paraclete, but that's because παράκλητος (paraklétos) is a masculine noun. For an in-depth discussion of the topic, have a read of _Greek Grammar and the Personality of the Holy Spirit,_ by Dan Wallace. It's available as a free download.

@jonathanwhiteside816 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for all the hard work in preparing this. I'm carefully making notes of what you've said in a journaling bible. I got this bible specifically to make notes to help me the next time J.W.'s come to my door. The advantage of a journaling bible is that it has wide margins in which to make notes. Perfect for what I'm doing.

@theologywithseth 2 ай бұрын

That's a wonderful idea! I'll be praying for some spiritually fruitful encounters for you!

@WatchtowerHunter 3 ай бұрын

Seth, I was one of Jehovah’s witnesses for over 40 years and have a deep love for God and the Bible. The Trinity is something I really, really struggle with. I have studied more on this subject and spoke to more people on this subject that I can count. I want to thank you for what is probably the best case I’ve heard on what really does not come all that often when discussing this doctrine. A lot in here to digest for me, and I wish more than anything I could just converse with someone equally knowledgeable, not to argue, but to listen with an open heart and have my honest questions answered. Thank you for your content.

@alcedo_kf 3 ай бұрын

Im in the very same situation. The block is huge. Then when one considers the Hebrew and Greek word for spirit, it becomes more puzzling when listening to how some personalise the Holy Spirit. On top of that, many languages use masculine and female personal/object pronouns for object nouns. And this doesnt make the object a person. The whole subject is very frustrating. I'm not sure; if it is because of how manipulative wtower teaching is, or whether I am missing something that everyone else seems to just understand? I am beginning to see how Jesus can be Jehovah, after many years working through that part; but in the light of the original languages of the Bible, i really am struggling with the aspect of the personification of the Holy Spirit. I too, love Gods Word dearly.

@Amperiyan 3 ай бұрын

What are your questions? I will try my best.

@WatchtowerHunter 3 ай бұрын

@@alcedo_kf Sounds like you and I are in the same spot. I will tell you it is reassuring to know that someone is in the same position with precisely the same thoughts and struggles. I have to say that one thing that amazes me is how unwilling evangelicals are to sit and have a discussion. Most are so preprogrammed that JW’s are a cult and only to be argued with and not helped. I continue to be hopeful that my answers are out there somewhere.

@WatchtowerHunter 3 ай бұрын

@@Amperiyan I deeply appreciate that. You honestly are one of the few who has even made the offer.

@theologywithseth 3 ай бұрын

@WatchtowerHunter Hello friend! Just wanted to let you know I'd also be open to hearing your questions as well!

@abrahamlincolnjones2922 3 ай бұрын

This is an excellent video touching on scripture, history and the errors of the Watchtower. Highly recommended.

@theologywithseth 3 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! I'm very glad it was helpful

@AndyDoesJapan Ай бұрын

Another thing that wasn't mentioned is that nearly every other spirit in the Bible is personal, with the exception of the spirits of "wisdom", "evil", and other clearly impersonal qualities. JWs believe that spirits are spirits, so Jesus, demons, angels, and the holy spirit are all of the same substance (I personally don't believe it's that simple, but they do, so the argument still works). How is it that Jesus, Satan, Legion in Mark, the Fallen angels from Genesis 6, angels in general, and the spirits that the Pharisees speak of in Acts 23:9 are all personal spirits who can speak and have conversations, but the holy spirit doesn't count because reasons.

@theologywithseth Ай бұрын

That's a great point! Thank you for sharing

@Terrylb285 4 күн бұрын

The Holy Spirit don’t count as a person because the watchtower has deemed him inanimate, and no way can they be wrong because they are in direct communication from God ,,, or so they think.

@bgslayer4529 3 ай бұрын

Great video Seth! Another great point I'd bring up is that Jesus says the Holy Spirit is supposed to serve as a comforter for when Jesus physically departs in John 14:16. But how would an "active force" provide the same comfort to the disciples as Jesus? Only a divine person who shared the same essence as Jesus himself could do that. Keep up the good work!

@theologywithseth 3 ай бұрын

That's a phenomenal point! Thank you for sharing!

@universalman5861 3 ай бұрын

If I recall correctly, isn't one of the fruitage of the holy spirit peace? Isn't 'the peace of god' that excels all thought not a product of said spirit? To have this peace of god, do we need to have a manifestation of God in our midst?

@markshark1613 3 ай бұрын

@Scott48-w9ihow does a force with no personal attributes provide comfort??

@br.m 2 ай бұрын

In Acts chapter 5 verse 3 Peter talks to Ananias about lying to the Holy Spirit. Obviously it is a person.. How could I lie to a force, can I lie to gravity, can I lie to the wind?

@br.m 2 ай бұрын

@Scott48-w9i The force? This isn't Star Wars. The Holy Spirit is a person. It is not an attribute, it is not a fart coming from God's butt.. Don't waste your time on me. You have nothing to tell me about the Holy Spirit.

@Kjs3vw 2 ай бұрын

Seth! The Spirit is clearly with you! Another brilliantly created video! Thank you!

@theologywithseth 2 ай бұрын

Thank you! I really appreciate the encouragement!

@eddyhourani 2 ай бұрын

I am deeply touched by your peaching work. And you for sure teached me a lot ever since I've been watching your videos. I have a genuine question. How do I pray the Holy Spirit or how do I pray to ask that I have him with me so I can preach all these valuable teachings to my family that are Jehovahs witnesses, I feel genuinely sad for them and wish I could help them as I love them so much. But everytime I talk I appear stupid and like I dont know what I beleive in. I have faith in this and I would love to share, but I find myself losing my toughts and words when I want to preach. God bless your work!

@theologywithseth 2 ай бұрын

Hi Eddy, thank you for watching my videos and commenting. It can be very difficult sharing your faith no matter who you're speaking to, and I've also found myself struggling to put my thoughts together in the heat of the moment. The thing to keep in mind is that the Holy Spirit can use anything- even just tiny pieces of the truth to help open someone's eyes to the true Gospel! So my advice is to keep sharing what you know, little by little, as best you can. Continue praying for your family often, and always seek to demonstrate the character of Christ in your life. A verse that I would recommend you hold fast to is 1 Corinthians 15:58 where Paul writes, "Therefore, my beloved brothers, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that in the Lord your labor is not in vain." I'll also be praying for you and your family. God bless you!

@railwayjade 3 ай бұрын

Wow, that is some lovely insight into the HS. I've heard before that He intercedes but now a weight is off my shoulders to not try make a "perfect" prayer.

@theologywithseth 3 ай бұрын

I'm so glad! Thank you for watching and commenting

@TJS7124 3 ай бұрын

I love your kind, well explained video's. Thank you Seth, I am currently trying to show two jehovah's witnesses the actual truth. I pray every day for the Holy Spirit to wake them up ❤

@theologywithseth 3 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing that with me! I'm glad my videos are helpful. I will be praying for you and the witnesses you're interacting with!

@TJS7124 3 ай бұрын

@theologywithseth thank you Seth. Appreciate that ❤🙏

@enoughisenough2696 3 ай бұрын

I am Greek reading the original text...... It sounds ridiculous what I'm about to say BUT........looking at the words the watchtower deliberately added and removed, what passages, words, concepts were changed on purpose, even a pronoun or a comma, etc. . ... I think the American corporation knows very well that Jesus is God, they know the trinity, they know the immortality of the soul, who and how will be saved, that the second coming has not come yet etc. .....they know many true doctrines..... ... Watchtower has simply made itsown product, which with a very good marketing, promotes it globally like coca cola.......

@markshark1613 3 ай бұрын

A very poisonous version of coca cola!

@Maxime-uo2iv 3 ай бұрын

Their translation is litteraly anti-jesus-christ... The way the translate the different words meaning "worship" differently when it is Jesus being worshipped in many bible stories is very telling. They refuse to bow down to Jesus.

@markshark1613 3 ай бұрын

@@Maxime-uo2iv they used to worship Jesus and then changed their minds again 😅. Looks like the watchtower don't know if they are inspired or not!

@theologywithseth 3 ай бұрын

@enoughisenough2696 Personally, I try to always give people the benefit of the doubt, but in the Watchtower's case, there is so much incriminating history that they willfully cover up, that it's difficult to see it any other way. I think you may very well be correct

@br.m 2 ай бұрын

Sometimes people dig themselves in to a hole. Instead of climb out, they just keep digging. That's how we end up with JW's LDS, and Roman Catholics.... They can't admit they are wrong now, their house of card would tumble. Poor people, I really expected these cults would get ahead of the internet and see how it changes information access. They should have repented but they double down and now the internet tears down their lies.

@teffillername3374 3 ай бұрын

wonderful work as always!

@theologywithseth 3 ай бұрын

Thank you! I truly appreciate the encouraging words!

@Maxime-uo2iv 3 ай бұрын

great video again. good biblical teachings about YHWH the father. YHWH the son, and YHWH the spirit. loved it

@theologywithseth 3 ай бұрын

Thanks again! I'm so glad you've been enjoying the series!

@serafin1352 2 ай бұрын

I was a jw for over 30 years. There are so many scriptures that are manipulated and just plain out ignored to support their theology. You have mentioned many of them (good work). It is so simple the Holy Spirit is a person. Acts is a fine example of this. Thank you brother.

@theologywithseth 2 ай бұрын

I wholeheartedly agree! Thank you for watching

@mamajan99 Ай бұрын

What is the Holy Spirit's name? Jehovah & Jesus have well known names. Persons have names. Apostles have names. I would like to know the Holy Spirit's name. Thank You.

@aaronwood8012 3 ай бұрын

There’s more evidence of trinity than there is is Jesus being Michael the archangel

@theologywithseth 3 ай бұрын

Oh, 100%

@richbaker7187 2 ай бұрын

@@aaronwood8012 especially since there is ZERO evidence for Jesus being an archangel. It's all conjecture by the Arian JWs.

@Jimmy5991-eb3re Ай бұрын

Show me the evidence that there is a trinity. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 shows that Jesus gives a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice. He is speaking with an archangel’s voice then he would have to be THE archangel. There is no way around that. Where are the scriptures that support the trinity? I have never found them and trinitarian’s tried showing me some scriptures to support it and there is absolutely no scripture that supports the trinity. Look at 1 Corinthians 15:24-28, That shows Jesus being submissive to his father, God Almighty. And what does that mean? Almighty means most powerful, no equal. Yet the trinity says those three people are equal. Well that clearly is not in the Bible.

@richbaker7187 Ай бұрын

@@Jimmy5991-eb3re The text says He will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel. This just means an archangel will be with Him, along with many others, by thw way. You are eisegeting the crap out of that verse to make it way what you want it to say. Using your skewed logic, the text also says He will have the trumpet of God, so that means He's God. (That's using your logic) As far as 1 Cor 15, just read verse 24 and ask yourself why "God" has to be called "God the Father" if Jesus isn't also God the Son? Why would Paul have to say "God the Father" at all, if they didn't understand Jesus to be God, also? Tell me this. WHAT is the Christian definition of the "trinity"? Answer that, and then I'll answer your objection.

@Jimmy5991-eb3re Ай бұрын

@ You show me you don’t understand the English language as well as the Greek. Verse 16 is talking about one person, that’s Jesus. So Jesus is the Archangel. It says the same thing in the Greek language. looking at your third paragraph, you show me you didn’t know your Bible. Verse 24 doesn’t say “God the father“ it actually says “θεω και πάρτι”. So in English, it says “when he hens over the kingdom to his God and father“. So that is Jesus his obedience to his father Jehovah. you want a Christian definition of the trinity? There’s no such thing as a Trinity with true Christians. How are you supposed to get a Christian definition when the first century Christians never worshiped the trinity. There is no trinity in the Hebrew or Greek scriptures. What does Deuteronomy 6:4 say? יהוה אלהיבו יהוה אחד and in English it says “Jehovah our God is one Jehovah”. The ASV is very close. Look at Psalm 83:18 “May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, you ALONE are the most high over all the earth.” How can you have three people be the the most high???

@jenniferrancourt8729 3 ай бұрын

Fantastic!

@theologywithseth 3 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@RG-qn2qm 3 ай бұрын

Simple Question what is the name of the person who is the Holy Spirit? Holy Spirit is a title ....

@richbaker7187 3 ай бұрын

Yahweh. Same as the Father(Also a title) and the Son, Who also has several titles.

@universalman5861 3 ай бұрын

@richbaker7187 When last have you thanked the holy spirit for your daily bread and life?Why have I never heard a single prayer in my life directed at the holy spirit?

@quit-rt4vz 3 ай бұрын

@universalman5861 alot of people pray to 'the father, son, and holy spirit '

@universalman5861 3 ай бұрын

@quit-rt4vz Wrong! At most you can say that Catholics start their prayers by saying "In the name of the father , son, and holy spirit". But the prayer is never addressed TO the holy spirit.

@RG-qn2qm 3 ай бұрын

@richbaker7187 So if the Holy Spirit is Yahweh and Jesus is the Yahweh of the OT then Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit.

@MrZeuqsav 2 ай бұрын

The apostles said, Jehovah rose Jesus from the dead, and we are his ( Jesus) witnesses of this matter, and so, is the Holy spirit, which Jehovah given to those who obey him as the ruler, @Acts, 5:28-32, the holy spirit one person can be given to many obedient believers,? Who else want to refutes the apostles?

@marcelocampbell1679 3 ай бұрын

An honest question: when you trinitarians pray, to which of the three persons do you direct your prayers? Do you sometimes pray to the Holy Spirit for example?

@JRTIGER07 3 ай бұрын

I can only Speak for myself .. I pray to our Father in Heaven in Jesus Name ...The Holy Spirit is to Guild us into ALL TRUTH 🙋‍♂️

@theologywithseth 3 ай бұрын

Hi friend! I think most Christians would direct most of their prayers to the Father. However, it's not *wrong* to pray to the Son or to the Spirit since they are fully God. If you'd like some specific biblical examples, you can see how Stephen prays directly to Jesus in Acts 7:59. Then Jesus himself gave us license to pray directly to him in John 14:14, at least in our best manuscripts of John. We also seem to have an example of praying to the Holy Spirit in Ezekiel 37:9, though some translations differ on that verse. Nevertheless, since all three Persons are God, and since prayer is rightly addressed to God, a Christian can appropriately address their prayers to either the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit with equal reverence. Hope that helps!

@richbaker7187 3 ай бұрын

@@theologywithsethAgreed.

@richbaker7187 2 ай бұрын

@Animalsandwildlife.7527 I can see by your reply that you believe the WT rhetoric that the Council of Nicaea(notice I spelled it correctly) "invented" the doctrine of the trinity? Incorrect, so, you should do some history research outside of cult literature. However, Moses obviously believed God was more than a linear human being. He wrote the first 5 books of the OT, and stated, "Let us make man in OUR image." Genesis 1:26. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe I am. Moses said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about creating anything OTHER than MAN in His image. Furthermore, the scripture also must "forget" to mention that God created some angel, named Michael, FIRST? Seems like something kind of important if it's true. Oh, but it's not true. So maybe that's why Moses didn't mention it. But, not believing the doctrine of the trinity itself doesn't matter as much as teaching some absurd Arian fable about Jesus being a created angel. that is heresy, just like the Arians of the first century. They didn't believe Jesus was God in the flesh either, as well as some self-aggrandizing Jews that tried to stone Jesus for claiming to be God. However, if you blaspheme the Holy Spirit, the bible says that is unforgivable. So be careful if you just write Him off as some "active force". I fear for your soul.

@JRTIGER07 2 ай бұрын

@Animalsandwildlife.7527 Shalom 🙋 Just a Few Quick Question I have 🙋 *Isaiah 6:1-5 / 8-10* (N.I.V) Who Does Isaiah See Sitting on the Throne highly Exalted in *Verse 1-5* 🤔 The KING The Almighty Right God the Father 🤔 John the Beloved Disciple said Isaiah Saw Yeshua and Wrote About his Glory *John 12:38-41* (N.I.V) 🤔 Who Spoke to Isaiah in *Verse 8-10* " *Whom shall I send and who will go for " US* " The Almighty God the Father Spoke to Isaiah Right 🤔 Paul Says it Was the Holy Spirit Who Spoke in Isaiah 6:8-10 ( *Acts 28:25-27* ) So Let's Count 1 ) God The Father *Isaiah 6:1-5 / 8-10* (N.I.V) 2 ) Yeshua The KING *Isaiah 6:1-5 / John 12:38-41 / Zechariah 9:9 / Matthew 21:5/9* (Isaiah 44:6 / 48:12-13 / Revelation 1:17-18 / 2:8-9 / 21:5-7 / 22:12-16) 3 ) The Holy Spirit *Isaiah 6:8-10 / Acts 28:25-27* (N.I.V)

@alcedo_kf 3 ай бұрын

The problem I have with all this (as an ex JW) is when it comes to the Hebrew and Greek words for spirit. Eg at BibleHub it says: Hebrew - Strong's Concordance ruach: breath, wind, spirit Original Word: רוּחַ Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: ruach Phonetic Spelling: (roo'-akh) Definition: *breath* , *wind* , spirit Greek- Strong's Concordance pneuma: wind, spirit Original Word: πνεῦμα, ατος, τό Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter Transliteration: pneuma Phonetic Spelling: (pnyoo'-mah) Definition: *wind* , spirit Usage: wind, *breath* , spirit. Also, many languages use personal/object pronouns for describing things (nouns) that are not living. Eg, in French, la fenetre (window, feminine noun); le porte (door, masculine noun) This is what challenges my mind when it comes to personalising the Holy Spirit.

@TeresaMalinao-d1n 3 ай бұрын

something that shows weakness is referred to as feminine

@markshark1613 3 ай бұрын

Personhood is not how something looks or in what form it is in, it's whether it has personal attributes and personality The Holy Spirit teaches, thinks, speaks, guides, heals, comforts, has a will etc. literally every attribute of personhood is that which the Spirit possesses. His own words, numerous times in the New Testament are credited back to God of the old testament

@rayjunior5098 3 ай бұрын

Could you make a video on their beliefs about the human spirit.

@theologywithseth 3 ай бұрын

I'll see what I can do! Thanks for the recommendation

@rdaleyj1 Ай бұрын

The Holy Spirit does have a name. Matthew 28:19 Jesus told them to baptize all nations in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and that name happened to be Jesus. Jesus did say to them, I will not leave you fatherless, I will come to you....

@Terrylb285 4 күн бұрын

Jesus was a trinitarian.

@juanitobarcelona7050 2 ай бұрын

Every person has a personal name just like The father has a personal name, and also the son has a personal name, (Prov.30:4), how about the holy spirit, if he is a person,what is his personal name?. I am not JW, but this confuse me, another thing, if the holy spirit is 3rd member of the one true God, why everytime the one true God is introduce, the holy spirit is always missing and not even mention.? Only the father alone always as the one true God,and Jesus as the one he sent or the one Lord. ( John 17:3, 1 Cor. 8:6) 2 person only no mention of the holy spirit.that 's very unfair for the holy spirit. He is the 3rd member of the one God according to Trinity, but everytime One true God is introduce , the HS is not even mention. Thats so confusing, thats make no sense.

@12Knaves Ай бұрын

In my language, the term "holy spirit" is translated "kuasa kudus" in the NWT, which roughly translates to "holy power". Suffice to say, some verses look very silly haha.

@RG-qn2qm 3 ай бұрын

Many bibles say in Matthew 11:16 " Know one knows the Father except the Son. The Kjv says " no man knows the Father" if one uses modern Bibles then this would mean even the Holy Spirit doesn't know the Father. But if one stays with God's Word the KJV they would realize that no man knows the Father which doesn't include the Holy Spirit.

@JRTIGER07 3 ай бұрын

Who is Active in *Genesis 1:2* and who Says "Come" in *Revelation 22:17* ? Not the bride but Who 🤔

@JRTIGER07 3 ай бұрын

And i think you mean *Matthew 11:27* as Verse 11 say "No one greater than JOHN THE BAPTIST has Risen ..but he who is the Least in Heaven is Greater than him ... Quick Question who was *John the Baptist* Preparing the Way for 🤔 *Isaiah 40:3* (N.I.V) 🤔

@RG-qn2qm 3 ай бұрын

@@JRTIGER07 Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit in Revelation 22

@RG-qn2qm 3 ай бұрын

@@JRTIGER07 yes Matthew 11;27.... Isaiah was prophesying the coming of Jesus Christ the YHWH of the OT.

@JRTIGER07 3 ай бұрын

@@RG-qn2qm Amen Brother *1 John 5:6-20* (NKJ)

@1645austin 3 ай бұрын

Why isn’t mani the paravlete an emanation of the Holy Spirit

@aaronwood8012 3 ай бұрын

The Holy Spirit is the wallflower of the trinity

@rdaleyj1 Ай бұрын

What trinity??? It is God who is manifest in the flesh as Jesus and manifest in the Spirit as God. He is one God manifest in different manner.

@peterockbx 3 ай бұрын

Personification does not prove personality if that's the case what is the case with as mentioned wisdom personified in (Pro 1:20-33) and (8:1-36). in (Matt 11:19) and (Lu 7: 35) wisdom is depicted as having both "works" and "children" The apostle Paul personalized sin and death also undeserved kindness as 'kings ( Rom 5:14,17,21; 6:12 )"he speaks of sin as "receiving an inducement" "working out covetousness", "seducing and killing" (Rom 7:8-11) It's pretty clear the message Paul was conveying in these texts that can also be applied to the Holy spirit

@theologywithseth 3 ай бұрын

Hi friend! I address the "personification" objection later on in the video. Friendly reminder to always watch the whole video before commenting!

@aaronwood8012 3 ай бұрын

The NWT - just a few more revisions and they’ll broom the rest of these difficulties…

@justinwooten9998 3 ай бұрын

The "he" is John 16:13-14 is required grammatically, because Παράκλητος is a masculine noun. Matt 18:9 literally says to "gouge him out" when talking about your eye (ὀφθαλμός), because eyes are grammatically masculine. The Holy Spirit is Woman Wisdom, the original statement of the Trinity is God, his Word and his Wisdom (Theophilus).

@br.m 2 ай бұрын

Nonsense please stop lying, people might think you are serious.

@justinwooten9998 2 ай бұрын

@@br.m Notice how they don't dispute anything.

@br.m 2 ай бұрын

@@justinwooten9998 The Holy Spirit is not "Woman Wisdom". Why would anyone dispute something so absurd?

@justinwooten9998 2 ай бұрын

@@br.m There is nothing absurd about it, Wisdom was there at the beginning (Prov 8:22), she was the Spirit hovering over the waters (Gen 1:2). Jesus says the Advocate convicts the world of sin (John 16:8), this is Wisdom crying out in the street (Prov 1:20). The seven spirits of God (Isaiah 11:2-3) are the seven pillars of Wisdom's house (Proverbs 9:1). The list goes on and on and on. This is why Theophilus and Irenaeus both explicitly associated the Holy Spirit with Wisdom. Jesus calls himself a child of Wisdom (Luke 7:35).

@br.m 2 ай бұрын

@@justinwooten9998 Friend, that is a whole lot of insane conflation. Way to twist up and abuse scripture in order to make it support your ideas. You wasted your time though because you don't even know who you are talking about, but I do. Bye.

@camjames7327 Ай бұрын

Could somebody explain what a impersonal force is? I know what it just trying to get clarification for myself. Thank you.

@theologywithseth Ай бұрын

Hi @camjames7327! An impersonal force would be like pure energy, or electricity, wind, etc. In this context, JW's think of the Holy Spirit as a tool in Jehovah's hands that he uses to accomplish his purposes. Hope that helps!

@nomadicrecovery1586 3 ай бұрын

I don’t think you quite grasp what the Jehovah’s Witnesses are saying And I don’t agree with him, necessarily as an ex Jehovah’s Witness myself But every time you see the word spirit, just replace it with the word Jehovah. So in a backwards way, they are admitting it God, but it does not have a personality so when it says, for example, Peter says you have lied to the Holy Spirit you have lied to God, that’s the same thing , but not in other words, you lied to God because you resisted his impersonal direction his force his spirit it’s the same as lying to him. Those two things equal each other, but not in the way that most Christians see it. Which does make sense. Just as much sense as the other way around. It doesn’t mean it’s true, but it does have logic to it I do not see any convincing argument, even after watching this video that the spirit is necessarily gone that it could be a personal person But no, I don’t see that anywhere in the Bible , It’s a spirit is teaching in the spirit is grieved, etc. etc. that just means that God Jehovah the father is grieved Jehovah’s Witness, and to be honest with you that fits as well with the other After many decades of researching this and the Trinity over and over on both sides, I can honestly say with absolute confidence, there’s no way to tell No one is seeing God, no one has asked the father what his personal relationship is with the son. No one is in heaven to verify any of this. It’s all speculation based upon text text That can be interpreted in many different ways

@davidmcbrine4527 3 ай бұрын

If the Holy Spirit is just simply Jehovah, why doesn't the Bible just say that it was "Jehovah" that was grieved etc? I know what your talking about, as I spent my whole life in the JWs. When the holy spirit is mentioned, as a JW you would just think of some kind of connection between Jehovah and the holy spirit, attributing all the personal attributes to Jehovah. You can interpret it as you like, but doesn't all interpretations belong to God? In other words, ask God for help to interpret it correctly. Who's the helper sent in this regard? The Holy Spirit. HE is the one who can help you, since HE is the one given the responsibility to teach. All you have to do is ask Him.

@juanitobarcelona7050 2 ай бұрын

When you lied to the holy spirit, you lied to God... simple because the holy spirit came from God.. to say the holy spirit is the God himself that is a weak argument..

@universalman5861 3 ай бұрын

If the HOLY SPIRIT is the second person of the godhead, then what do we call the power or active force of the Holy Spirit? Does the Holy Spirit itself have a holy spirit?

@theologywithseth 3 ай бұрын

Hi there! Since the Holy Spirit is God, His power would simply be exactly that- the power of God.

@nomadicrecovery1586 2 ай бұрын

In regard to the preaching in the name of father son and Holy Spirit or baptizing in the name of father son and Holy Spirit, I don’t think your argument holds up I’m an extra Jehovah’s Witness and I am on the fence about the Trinity But this argument never made sense to Even in English, we can say in the name of the president, vice president and the secretary of defense we don’t have to say in the names of, that’s not proper grammar For example, “I come in the name of President Biden and his cabinet” you would not use names plural so I do not see trinitarianism in that text

@revelation1790 2 ай бұрын

At 9.30, when discussing 1 Cor2:10-11, this was not fully explored. The words "even so" invite us to compare the two things discussed; namely man and his spirit with God and His Spirit. So, applying the things ascribed to the Holy Spirit to me, my spirit has a mind, my spirit is a person, my spirit can be grieved etc. But, my spirit is not a separate person from me, so God's spirit is not a separate person from God. There is a big difference in those verses though, man's spirit is in him, but God can send forth His Spirit. At 28 mins, discussing the name of the Spirit, the scripture gives the name of the Comforter (paracletos, also translated advocate) in 1 John 2:1, and the name given is Jesus Christ.

@gideonopyotuadebo2304 2 ай бұрын

Do not God beyond what God Lord Yehovah has said.

@bearer-of-christ 2 ай бұрын

1 minute and 14 seconds in and your wrong. You make a whole video about how jws are wrong but you say the 3 are co equal. Your own god jesus said the father is greater than me. Jesus said I can do nothing on my own initiative. They have separate wills. Jesus said let this cup pass, but not as I will but as you will

@ravikeller9626 2 ай бұрын

He said that’s “what Christian’s believe”. And that is what they believe. So… How was he wrong in stating a simple fact?

@Mk-xw1yj 2 ай бұрын

Hi Seth, Very nteresting, but the holy spirit clearly does not have a name. Your arguments are weak: 1. When a baby is born or is found, the first thing you do is give him/her a name. 2. The angels who are unnamed are those whose role is insignificant. Does Gabriel have a name? Of course. His role is very significant. So why no name for the holy spirit? 3. You say then that his name is Jehovah/Yahweh. So the third person of the Trinity has the same name as the first... What about the second person? Is his name Jehovah too?

@fcastellanos57 2 ай бұрын

The Holy Spirit is the Almighty himself acting out in the world. The Almighty does not and can’t present himself to be seen first because he is Spirit, John 4:24, and does not have a form. Second, because he is greater in power than the universe itself, so his Spirit, which is coming out of himself is what does the work, it is like his hands doing the work. 1 Corinthians 2:11 gives us an idea, also there are several verses in the Old Testament that basically equate the Almighty with his Spirit. The New Testament has given personhood to the Spirit but the Spirit of God is not a person as if there was a person inside God, the Spirit of God is God acting in the world.

@julietamez3276 2 ай бұрын

I do like and agree with many things you say, but you are in error when you say "Christians" believe in the Trinity. There are many Christians who do not believe in the trinity. Maybe you just need to use another word to describe those who believe in the trinity other than all inclusive "Christians" Merriam-Webster defines "Christian" as one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ. Jehovah's Witnesses ARE Christians, yet they do not believe in the Trinity. The same can be said about Latter Day Saints (aka "Mormons"). They also do not believe in the trinity, but as their full name states, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints", they are definitely Christians. And I'm sure there are others out there. So yeah, it's hard to hear "Christians believe in the Trinity" when it is not an accurate statement. But I do appreciate your research.

@travisrepp1836 3 ай бұрын

Excellent video, sir. The idea of SPIRIT has more to do with BEING than with energy. Breath in the body is like a similitude of the person's being in the flesh, and wind is like the breath of the air. But the most radical meaning is personal and is to do with being. None of this has to do with energy. GOD is SPIRIT in the most radical meaning, and HIS Teaching is spiritual along the same lines. HIS Teaching is neither breathy nor windy nor merely energetic. The term HOLY SPIRIT is used in three ways in Scripture: as naming one of the THREE PERSONS of the DEITY, sometimes of the nature and status of JESUS as GOD, and thirdly as the Gift of the HOLY SPIRIT loaning HIS Life to us, and it is in this that it is said that the SPIRIT speaks not of HIMSELF, as meaning the life of the Saints HE causes from HIS own Life, in which the Saints are caused by HIM not to speak of themselves. As GOD, HE can speak of HIMSELF, apart from causing our response to HIM speaking within us, in our spirits. Even the Gift of the HOLY SPIRIT is HIM gifting HIS Inspiration to us. Thus we see that the SPIRIT and the Bride say or do things on earth as in Heaven.