How John Ridley DEMOLISHED Black Panther

[@shinecomics]

This video took about a month to make, so please consider dropping a sub! This video is about how modern Black Panther comics have been on a hard downward spiral, and how we could change that. NONE of my critiques on the writers' WORK, is a reflection on how I feel about them as PEOPLE. I was brutally honest in this video about my feelings on the comics, but please know I mean no malice or hate to the writers. I respect, and am actually a FAN OF every writer i talked about in this video.

[@bronzetiger6360]

You did a Good job. Came across as passionate but knowledgeable. 👍

[@MuhammadAli-xw4yc]

African Americans still suffer from post slavery and self identity issues,such as calling themselves black people, when in reality this is a false bs label and narrative spread by gringo people. I'm Hispanic mexican and African. My mom is African American and her whole family are various shades of light to dark brown skin. Not a single one of them has black skin except black hair. Even the dude in this video contradicts himself. When he rightly says wakandans are brown skinned then later refers to them as black people. In Africa no African tribe called themselves black people until Arabs and Christian gringo pagans turned up. The guy in this video himself is brown skinned with black hair. Only a ignoramus would call him black. Unless they are referring to his hair colour. Black is NOT an ethnicity at all. Unless someone is talking about black animals such as a black bear, cat etc. The darkest African from the Sahara are refer to as blue people. They are so dark that they have literally a blue outline and their skin is super dark and has a grey blue tone. But yet they are still not black like their hair which is clearly a different colour from their skin. My God do I have to give a breakdown every year to my African American peoples because they are brainwashed by gringo bs narrative and false labels from slavery days.

[@nivekleveb8872]

No love for the Man Without Fear/Most Dangerous Man Alive run or New Avengers/Secret Wars? One bright spot in the Ridley era was the King In Black tie-in one shot. Probably the best depiction of T'Challa and Wakanda in a BP solo since the Secret Invasion tie-in and a bright spot in te Coates era is Al Ewin's Ultimates run. Good, cosmic, weird stuff and T'Challa shines a lot- I would say Aaron's Avengers too, but it's pretty goofy aside from the depiction of T'Challla.

[@PureMoss]

@@nivekleveb8872 King in Black happened during Coates' run, but I totally agree. I say that just to highlight that there were NO brightspots in Ridley's era 😅 Ridley got T'Challa kicked off the Avengers book - which atp is like one of the only safe places for T'Challa to get written well - and then we got that bullshit Wakanda series that nobody gives af about instead.

[@nivekleveb8872]

@@PureMoss Oh, I guess all the trash just blurred together- and yeah, Al Ewing and Jason Aaron were pretty much the only writers during either the Coates or Ridley era to give T'Challa any agency or dignity. They keep pushing Wakanda as if it's the draw of this property, but I don't think either the wider comic audience or the fans of this character who actually buy the comics actually care about some superficial and superfluous "world-building" or "fan favorite" characters like...that one guy from Ridley's run whose name I can't remember and refuse to look up.

[@Potara_edits98]

Hey guys remember when black panther used to mean something in terms of writing . Man I miss those days now black panther is just a literal punching bag In terms of writing

[@christopherbyrdakaSuperman]

First Mr.Fantastic get's cucked by Namor, then poor Colossus get's left at the altar, now Black Panther get's played! I have one word in the word of Farooq, DAMN!!!!!

[@patrickmcguire7896]

What's going on with Black Panther is similar to what's going on with Spider-Man. Comics will do this every now and again where they have LONG arcs of our heroes going through hard times or acting out of character, getting beat up and suck to his lowest. Its a good story if they can raise them up but its hard to watch and only works if there's a plan set in advance.

[@NaquanGreen-zt4gr]

Which judging by the current direction of Marvel comics in the case of Spider-Man. there doesn't really seem to be a plan set in place especially since we are coming up on the end of Zeb Wells run on TASM.

[@nivekleveb8872]

8 years and 3 different writers, though? That's not an arc, it's just BS

[@NaquanGreen-zt4gr]

@@nivekleveb8872 Marvel comics don't really have a lot of talent comic book writers working for them. A vast majority of their writing team are all a bunch of activists writers with little to no history with comics and who have some personal grudge against the characters that they are writing Which is probably why it feels like a lot of the characters including black panther himself keep getting disrespected.

[@NaquanGreen-zt4gr]

Marvel doesn't have talented writers

[@patrickmcguire7896]

Personally I think the biggest issue with Black Panther is he gets over shadowed by Wakanda, so theirs not enough focus on him or his development.

[@nivekleveb8872]

This didn't start happening until the Coates run and the film

[@DukeMc678]

There’s *

[@ManDinqa]

@@patrickmcguire7896 Blame Coates, he switched up a LOT of T'Challa's character.

[@7783DEATH]

The real problem is the awful writers at current marvel. Almost every great hero has been “deconstructed” and just end up embarrassed/cucked/shamed

[@riozulu9040]

Saying Coates run was boring and enjoying Ridleys is wild

[@shinecomics]

Coates' is very boring (or atleast the first half). Ridley's run is ALOT of things, but boring isnt one of them.

[@riozulu9040]

@shinecomics that comic run was all over the place and brought nothing to the character overall you even say it took away from the character

[@sjbrigante4845]

Also, his marriage annulment is pretty old. It happened during Avengers vs X men after Namor flooded Wakanda. T'Challa branded the X men as enemies of the state, which included his wife. This was in 2013. They reconciled during the Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda, but Ridley broke them up again

[@bronzetiger6360]

Coming from a VERY longtime Black Panther fan( Everything but the " Kirby Run"), I truly feel that the whole " Shuri" character was needless and put us on the Outright TERRIBLE Path we are currently on. I can't even touch the book now. Definitely disagree with the " Dora" sentiment. Priest made them as possible concubines, representing the various Tribes that were still " in competition ". Understandable in such a Culture, said culture actually being the Strength of the book. Wakanda was never meant to be " America ". NOW the Dora are a "Bad Black" Amazon imitation. They were " personal Guard" Not the Wakandan Army😢... just another Black male Cuck😢...MAJOR props must go to Priest, who incorporated the Vibranium into the suit, Energy knives, Satellite tech and a DEFINITELY more offensive " Stance" in Marvel's Pantheon. Suddenly " The Kitty Mascot" ,had Real " Mojo". Marvel has nearly destroyed a Great character.

[@bigevil1001]

Hudlin was the beginning of the end for sure.

[@nivekleveb8872]

Agree 100%, but I would blame the movie for that. Taking away T'Challa's scientific acumen and giving it to a jokey, scrawny child version of Shuri put T'Challa in the coffin

[@TheMallachiv]

I almost thought he said “black pander” in the opening lmao

[@Disorderlie_Dot]

He doesn't pronounce the "th" lo

[@xrossingtherubicon]

Exactly what I was thinking

[@SyvesterMali]

The ultimate black panther comic his awesome love tchalla

[@mochii813]

I love the new ultimate line up fr

[@DKdusk]

Yup, X-Men is getting really good on the new ultimate universe

[@tyronleung5276]

He was a mute and carbon copy of wolverine

[@OGP2293]

My first introduction to Black Panther was with that Animated movie with Hydra and Captain America.I have vague flashbacks abt it but i remember being dope and kinda scary

[@Neos_Syber]

Was it Ultimate Avengers 2? That’s how I found out about Black Panther

[@OGP2293]

@@Neos_Syber i don’t remember the name all ik is that it was an animated movie set in WW2 and i think in the current timeline as well.And Tachallas dad fought with this Nazi alien and it was dope af

[@tyronleung5276]

@@OGP2293 clizer

[@tyronleung5276]

You do know it's not canon to the ultimate black panther

[@revolutionarydragon1123]

Operations Killswitch make a lot of sense coming off of coates runs as he was almost got topple because the people feel like t'challa can't protect them after doomwar avengers vs x men and the battle against thanos

[@Taylorlove17]

Intergalactic of wakanda was 🔥. They put storm and tchalla back together and he became an emperor. John Ridley book was horrible you didn’t know if tchalla was gay bi lol getting beat up by everyone the whole book was trash Eves book was trash as well the transgender cat women/man. 😅 you know wakanda ain’t about that life All I know they shouldve kept him king 🤴🏾

[@drk1215]

Marvel has not been the same ever since It was purchased by Disney. That's why you're seeing this big push for LGBT stuff.

[@ryice944]

@@drk1215 ...... You know marvels been owned by disney for a long time

[@NaquanGreen-zt4gr]

​@@drk1215 All new, all different Marvel was the beginning of the end as they brought in a lot of writers who weren't even comic book writers and had no experience writing comics They were hired because of their activism and political stances.

[@NaquanGreen-zt4gr]

​@@ryice944 It really only became a Thing once Paramount sold the rights to Marvel to Disney rather than keeping the rights themselves... And now look at Paramount pictures nowadays.

[@ryice944]

@@NaquanGreen-zt4gr paramount also had marvels ip for a very long time and never used them

[@plastikloser]

Coates came in arouhd the all new all different era. Lots of non comic writers flooded in, many of which cared more about activism alone than any kind of good story telling. That kind change torpedoed marvel and dc to this day

[@illikaspain]

Thank you. It's a disgrace. I'm so tired of the deconstruction of characters just to build them back up. This is getting very old. He's already been through this when he lost vibranium after the Doom War and redeemed himself when he discovered that going back in time, to his ancestors to find vibranium in the universe, which became the foundation of the Wakandan Galactic Empire.

[@drk1215]

I agree that Reginald hutland's run is the best. The book is told from the perspective of T'challa and he is a brilliant strategist, scientific genius and one of the best martial artists in the world. I think Disney has certain sensibilities that they're trying to pass off in the comic books. Marvel has not been the same since it got purchased by Disney. I don't think the black panther movie does Justice to the character of T'challa. But unfortunately, everyone thinks that is how he's supposed to be because of that damn movie.

[@shinecomics]

Facts, like dont get me wrong i LOVE the Black Panther movies, but the way T'Challa is characterized just isnt very accurate to the comics. They NEVER show off his intelligence (hes literally on par if not MORE intelligent than Reed Richards) and he just doesnt have that stoic, mysterious, "man with the plan" vibe that he has in the comics. Chadwick stil played the role great, and I dont think MCU "destroyed" Black Panther, i just think it couldve been better. Whats funny is that T'Challa was more comic accurate in CIVIL WAR, than he was in his own movie.

[@bigevil1001]

Can’t have T’Challa outshine Shuri. Now can we?

[@Haramu-Fal0]

​@@shinecomicswould you be willing to chsnge thst sentiment seeing ss how theyve killed him off in his own franchise and replaced him with his father albeit in yhe wrong continuity in X-MEN '97?

[@jerronwesley4473]

​@@drk1215 Best writer on Black Panther is Priest....hands down.

[@barry6140]

Why do comic creators always character assassin the good characters

[@WikiThis]

Because you can’t really assassinate a character that already poorly written.

[@GoodDudeMadWorld]

I was hesitant to watch this video but i am glad i did. Bro is somebody who actually cares about the character.

[@arman3804]

He was awesome in hickmans new avengers too

[@nivekleveb8872]

Yeah, Hickman set the character up for success by the end of Secret Wars, and Coates dropped the ball and copped a squat on it.

[@thechosenonetim7738]

At least we still have Ultimate Black Panther

[@revolutionarydragon1123]

Storm and t"challa broke up way before coates and ridley run their relationship ended after namor flood wakanda and t'challa ended it because storm chose to be on the x men side instead of his

[@shinecomics]

I know, but in Coates/Ridleys run, they were rekindling their relationship, and you can tekll they were going to get back together. Ridley however just destroyed it all and changed both Storm and T'challa for his story

[@donaldsimmons4526]

Before I even start the video. I can sum it up in two words. Ta-Nehisi Coates

[@wambokodavid7109]

exactly😤😤

[@77Productions77]

Bruh these recent comics are looking like a modern day lynching lol.

[@sjbrigante4845]

Something I've said for sometime now is that Black writers cannot write Black characters. Black Panther written by Jonathan Hickman, Russos>>>>>>>Black Panther written by John Ridley, Coogler, Coates.

[@bigevil1001]

I don’t think the race of the writer is really the problem. The problem is the agenda being pushed. Most of the black writers you mentioned are from the modern age of comics. And we all know how trash it is.

[@sjbrigante4845]

@@bigevil1001 Jonathan Hickman, and even we can throw in Jason Aaron are from the modern era of comics and they had a significantly better portrayal of T'Challa than the Black writers listed did. David Liss also had a better BP run than them. Sure the race is not relevant to a writer's talent but it is a pattern I think that needs to be acknowledged.

[@NaquanGreen-zt4gr]

​@@bigevil1001 And a lot of those modern writers are activists with little to no experience prior with writing comics.

[@NaquanGreen-zt4gr]

​@@sjbrigante4845 In the case of Jason Aaron's Black panther being one of the few redeemable things from an otherwise very mediocre Avengers run imo Outside of the other Avengers I feel like he was the only one that wrote both Black panther and Captain Marvel well as characters Unfortunately the same cannot be said for how he wrote She-Hulk, Ghost Rider, Moon Knight, Captain America, Thor and Iron Man.

[@joshuaj.chinda9873]

​​@@sjbrigante4845Priest runs were the best that's it.

[@wambokodavid7109]

at this pace, im content reading manga and indie comics and i have no regrets nor do i miss anything from the big two

[@TristanClarke]

I mean....all comic book characters have had bad runs.

[@nivekleveb8872]

8 years and 3 consecutive writers, though?

[@joshuaj.chinda9873]

That's a lié. Some comics have great runs. But that would only happen if the were short runs of course.

[@joshuaj.chinda9873]

That's a lié. Some comics have great runs. But that would only happen if the were short runs of course,

[@rocky_Sullivan_69]

They got spider-man and gambit and ironman!!!! Now they got black panther!!!! They do that to our marvel heroes!!!!!!!!!!!

[@MN-zg7fi]

RESPECTFULLY, I gotta disagree. Hudlin’s run is inferior in every way. Priest’s run was a deconstruction & social commentary on American Culture, Black culture, Interracial relations, and comic book culture. Hudlin straight up just wrote an action comic. It felt dumbed down & T’Chala was written as a “black superman”. Priest wrote T’Chala as a flawed man trying his best in a complicated world. Please revisit Priests run, I really think you got it wrong. RESPECTFULLY

[@nivekleveb8872]

I like Priest's run the most, but I also enjoy Hudlin's dumb, cartoon version and wish there had been 200 issues like that done in the Silver/Bronze Age to build up the character. For me, it was refreshing to read a streamlined, ass kicking version of the character that wasn't mopey and dour.

[@dubialexander9802]

Hudlins run was amazing but it felt episodic more so. It was a bit more cartoon-like and is easily tchallas funniest run. It's still considered one of black panthers best comic runs. The arc of "who is the black panther?" is considered one of the best Black panther stories, and was so good it even got a television series. Man without fear is an underrated run in my opinion. It showed black panthers competence even without his resources. It showed us his detective work, skill and especially his intelligence despite having taken a different identity while having limited resources.

[@nivekleveb8872]

@@dubialexander9802 totally agree, and "Who is the Black Panther" is the movie the fans deserved- the one we got is ok, but ultimately has done more damage than good to the character, his mythos and "brand" imo..and I didn't mean "dumb, cartoon version" as a diss, there's definitely a place for that in superhero comics and I will take that over Coates' dreary and miserable pseudo-intellectualism any day.

[@dubialexander9802]

@@nivekleveb8872 fr. Coated run is what bad writers think black panther should be portrayed when leaning into more depth of the character. I find it funny that the best black panther related stories in Coates era were miniseries written by Narcisse and Hill and not Coates himself. Should show how bad of a writer Coates was. Intergalactic empire was somewhat good, and the only great idea Coates had was when he made shuri the "ancient future" (dumb name) or the griot

[@nivekleveb8872]

@@dubialexander9802 I liked the first few issues of the Intergalactic Empire storyline, it just went too long and Zenzi's redemption or whatever that was is unearned and the last few issues as a whole are dumb. I had actually bailed on Coates as a whole by the end of his first arc, but got his omnibus as a birthday gift, read it in 3 days while I had covid and I respect it a little more and I think I understand his vision, but I mostly still hate it. Some great art, though

[@ejohnson1767]

Christopher Priest's run on the Black Panther was not that bad when I read it. I think I got a copy of the TPB stashed away somewhere. It was the first Black Panther comic I read and I was in high school. Didn't read many of the issues on Huddlin's run. I was reading DC and indie comics during that time. I will have to read the Huddlin' run.

[@tyronleung5276]

Yeah they fucked over black panther blade luke cage falcon bishop blue marvel etc

[@NaquanGreen-zt4gr]

Blade - basically sideline by his owb daughter and put in a very mediocre Avengers comic by Jason Arron Bishop - what was even the point of turning an evil not once but twice Blue Marvel - why hasn't he been made leader of a main Avengers team since ultimates Luke Cage - where has the character been since that unnecessary melodrama between him and Jessica that made it seem like the two were going through a divorce Falcon - I put some of the blame on the writing teams that they get for the 616 Captain America comics, all of them are copy & paste Ed Brubaker's Captain America comics.

[@tyronleung5276]

@NaquanGreen-zt4gr blade hasn't had anything since the 2010s and had been on hiatus with solo titles in-between his black spliotation 60s appearance to the motorcycle fetish S curl leather jacket light skin phase to the carbon copy Wesley snipes & sticky fingers era and he's only a side guest character like helping out vampire jubilee and wolverine but other than that the character has been sidelined by a made up daughter character when for the longest he's been single and a loner he has no development.

[@tyronleung5276]

@NaquanGreen-zt4gr yeah bishop and shard in those comics gets the shaft it's like he's just there to be the token angry black man on the team he has no solo villains or character arch like wolverine has the weapon x alpha flight sabertooth department k the summers gets to have family and children and marrital affairs and be the choosen ones of all mutantdum gambit gets to have a whole solo series with a cajun thieves and assassins guild was integral nuances with the mutant massacre gets married to rogue, rogue mystique nightcrawler graden creed azael and Sabertooth all gets development together as a pseudo surrogate family magneto and charles Xavier he's just there to be an antagonist to cable and hope summers or to accuse people of commitng crimes before they happen like a time cop what does bishop have other than that ?

[@tyronleung5276]

@NaquanGreen-zt4gr yeah they straight up cucked Luke cage and upstage him with his white wife Jessica Jones they dont know what to do with blue marvel they could either make him a magneto type character or just a boring o.p. character with no rogues and solo stories to tell with him.

[@NaquanGreen-zt4gr]

​@@tyronleung5276 Wasn't it revealed in one of Jessica Jones last comic runs that her daughter had purple skin? I don't know the whole story but I think the whole thing was meant to reveal that Jessica under the influence and control of the purple man was SA by him and as a result of the unprotected EX messed with her DNA. Resulting in her and Luke's daughter to have purple skin similar to that of the purple man Don't know if that makes Luke Cage a cuckold since the whole thing between purple man and Jessica was due to the effects of mind control/manipulation and nothing that Jessica would do willingly.

[@EyeOfTheWatcher]

Ta-Nehisi Coates did well with the Killmonger mini series, but to me his writing is not good for a long run.

[@nivekleveb8872]

That was Bryan Hill

[@dubialexander9802]

That wasn't even Coates that wrote that. It was Bryan hill

[@Sito0]

I wanna see black panther in more media and videos and everywhere 😂his my favorite hero

[@darkroninmarvel]

Spider-man: first time?

[@inklingboi08]

The reason for the grey skin is the combination of digital recoloring for rereleases AND the limited color palette of the 60s. This went for all black characters back then such as Bill Foster.

[@158Cypher]

I've said that there is so much hate towards T'Challa these days. Like even the Coogler films nerfed the man, and now the comics have the whole kingdom hating on the man in every arc, starting with that Coates horrible run. What is the issue, like honestly? Actually its almost similar to the damage they have been doing to Batman. These people are ruining iconic characters like they aren't making money off them. I don't get the self sabotage.

[@ftwnoobbuster]

The only GOOD Black Panther comic right now is Ultimate Black Panther. I can’t touch anything else being released right now because just like Spidey’s main line comics they are destroying my boys. Why can’t Marvel actually hire people who want to write GOOD stories for our mainline heroes?? Don’t even get me started on how catastrophic the MCU is treating T’Challa and the BP franchise smh 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@graysonred2641]

The one thing that you’re missing is that the first half of Coates run was actually selling well. I believe issue #1 sold damn near 500000 copies. And I personally love the first half of Coates run, the second half where he’s in space…. Not so much lol

[@shinecomics]

I never said that it didn’t sale well. I literally said in the video that although his comics weren’t really looked at as great, they still were pretty successful. There was a lot of hype going on around black panther because he appeared in the civil war movie, and later got his own movie, so I think that’s why so many people were reading Coates’ run, because it was easily accessible

[@bigevil1001]

Of course he sold well. The movie had just come out.

[@nivekleveb8872]

I think it was about 300K for the first issue and the sales dropped after the first 4-6 issues and then spikes for variants, legacy number relaunch and a second new 1 and ten immediately tapered off. It was selling a little over 20K by the end. World of Wakanda was cancelled by issue 6 and The Crew was cancelled by the time issue 2 came out and went to issue 6. The only good books in that period was Rise of the Black Panther and the Killmonger miniseres

[@khenmozhione4473]

Dude, you DON’T KNOW COMICS!?? Besides Kirby, Priest kick the door down! Storm with Black Panther …..DUD! Husking was HUFF!?!

[@DonNeil-y6t]

The truth is I could create the best one. But I am gonna start my own individual series with my own product.

[@Hawbitten]

I don't think Ross's creation is quiet for the reasons you're saying. Racists aren't going to pick up a Black Panther book, no matter how many white characters you put in it. It sounds more like Ross is a POV character. One made to give non-black people someone to act as a stand in if they don't know who T'challa is or what motivates him.

[@greygremlin1248]

And this is why i got classic comics

[@thebibliophilering8881]

Characters that have an unspoken rule that the writer has to share their identity tend to suffer writing wise. Brian Azzarelo isn't a woman but his new 52 take on Wonder Woman was fantastic. I tried reading Coates' Black Panther run but it was too 'written' and thus, boring. He couldn't adapt his writing style to comics. The idea that being black alone makes him qualified is ridiculous. I want to read the best pitch from the best writers regardless of their identity. I never read Bryan Hill's run but his recent Blade series was excellent. I hope Bryan Hill gets a shot at any character he wants regardless of their identity.

[@dubialexander9802]

For real. Look at Al Ewing, Jonathan Hickman and David liss. Look at Jason Aaron as well. They write black panther better than every black black panther writer since hudlin. Bryan Hill seems to be a bit of an exception because of the recent blade series being good, and the amazing killmonger series he wrote. I think right now we should wait and see what Hill does with ultimate BP before we allow him to write 616 BP, because as of right now, I'm cautious of whatever writer will write BP. One more thing is that I think the recent black oanther writers were allowed to write BP simply because they were black and nothing more. Otherwise I don't know why John Ridley or Eve Ewing are writing t'challa. John clearly has mental problems and eve has no experience or resume required to write a compelling story, with writing not even being her main profession.

[@sosmooth13]

Changing up T’Challa is a big mistake, but I can appreciate a country turning on its leader or quickly forgetting its identity/history. THAT is at least a really good realistic aspect if done right. I hate to get political, but the same people that consider themselves patriots rn, would 100% be considered too extreme 20 years ago.

[@jagdeishwarmagendran3395]

I think Wakanda needs more Wakandan based heroes inside Wakanda itself.

[@Sheetmetalsupreme]

Wh9 do you think was the best ARTIST in the black panther series? I liked Stelfreeze

[@irvingramirez2335]

What’s on marvel and DC comics in Hollywood in general hiring activates and every time they fail they fail upward

[@GuerrillaxMoBxVILLAIN]

that whole Ridley run was just weird. it may not have been boring but it wasnt good either, at least not to me. i feel like ridley was projecting his own life story into his bp run. thats why it seems so far left to the continuity.

[@ronin6033]

“Black Panter” lmao. I see you son. 4th nerd (not being mean) to say something weird. Shoutout to you though. I support you.

[@PureMoss]

Ngl, I think you needed to do a lot more research for this video. You significantly undermined the importance of Priest's run, choosing to mostly harp on the few aspects that didn't age well instead. Also almost everything that's wrong with modern Black Panther can be traced almost directly to the foundation of Coates run, which you did absolutely no analysis on, instead just saying "ya everyone didn't like it." I'm a big hater of the Coates run, but I'm objective enough to know that's not true. There is a particular segment that really enjoys it and it would've been good to explain why. Sorry but this video kinda sounds like Ridley's Black Panther run is the only BP run you've actually read start to finish. No offense 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@shinecomics]

Not sure if you actually watched the whole video, but i literally delved into what I liked about Priest's run, and how it really revolutionized T'Challas actual character (being the Man with the Plan, Mysterious Hero). This video was never about Priest's run, so of course I wasn't going to dive into EVERYTHING it did well, (although I might do so in the future because upon rereading it, I appreciate it alot more). Coate's run wasnt very well received within ACTUAL fans of the Black Panther mythos, and thats not my opinion, its just facts. I brought the omnibus and started reading it after posting this video, and it doesn't tarnish the Black Panther legacy whatsoever. Sure you can say its boring, and a bit wordy, but saying that EVERYTHING wrong with modern Black Panther can be traced to his run is a bit insane. Coates introduced MANY original concepts, and characters to the Black Panther mythos that I think serve the mythos well. You are right though, this video was originally made to be a deconstruction of John RIdley's Black Panther run, and i probably should have just made it that, rather than adding all of the character's history because I feel like I rushed the video alot, and it would have been better if it were JUST about John Ridleys run.

[@PureMoss]

​@@shinecomics you said the general public also didn't like Coates run. I'm saying that part isn't true, it was a lot of ppl's first BP run and for those ppl it was well received. You asked how Coates was able to write for so long and the reason is his first issue sold like, 350k+ units and was a critical darling in those non-comic reader literary circles. This is key information imo, cuz it shows why editorial is continuing down this path with BP - Coates made them A LOT of money at first while "elevating" the title. My point about everything wrong with modern Black Panther being traced to Coates run is true bro. Your complaint about Wakanda being written like it's neo-fascist starts with HIM, not Ridley. Coates' run is the start of the heavy deconstruction of T'Challa as a king/superhero and Wakanda as a state. You gotta actually finish it first bro. Coates introduced the idea of r*pe camps in Wakanda that apparently both T'Challa and the crown didn't give af about, retconned Wakanda into being colonizers that killed and displaced the original inhabitants (the Originators) of the land, and then made them space colonizers with the IGE (which he also made T'Challa "responsible" for). The entire first arc of a Nation Under Our Feet is pretty much T'Challa as the antagonist, with Ayo/Aneka as the protags. Coates literally had T'Challa meet with fascist dictators to get advice on how to stop revolutions. This is the light he painted T'Challa in and it all culminates with the Dora chanting "No one man!" and turning the country into a democracy (one of the single worst contributions of his). Also Coates is the start of the trend of Black Panther writers who's main acclaim isn't from comic writing but other literary works. Coates is an essayist first, Ridley is more known as a screenwriter (Twleve Years a Slave) and E Ewing's main bag is as a sociology professor. Coates is the inception of multiple trends and downward spirals of the BP comic franchise.

[@joshuaj.chinda9873]

​​​​@@shinecomicsWithout Priest, Black Panther would have been garbage. The reason Black Panther sucks is because coates came and trashed it bit by bit. In fact, BP written from the point of view of Black Americans who haven't done research on the motherland hurts the series itself. Stan Lee created Wakanda but didn't know what the heck to do with the World until Priest became their literary messiah that saved the Characters's legacy. Priest also did much research on África which helped to built the nation of wakanda from scratch. Even basing the Dora Milaje on historical female African warriors that appeared decades later in cinema in the woman king.

[@Anderson_Se7en]

I haven’t liked the Black Panther series since Secret Wars. I didn’t like what Coates, Ridley or the latest fired writer. Why are they constantly putting him at odds with Wakanda? What we like about this imaginary city is the unity within and threats only come from external forces. They turned Wakanda into every other city on earth and thought we would love it. These writers really think subverting expectations is a mandate. People don’t usually like for their heroes to be defanged punching bags.

[@ninodebiase745]

the TH's are whoopin yo a$$

[@TollFree999]

Was Beisa a love interest of T’Challa? (I stopped reading the title after that run where he was getting beat down by everyone)

[@sheldonlarmond6217]

Their relationship was never written as romantic; more like work acquaintances.

[@LucaMarveldcmaster]

Great Video

[@godmvskvisions8831]

Coates was boring but Ridley was better? Ok.

[@DonNeil-y6t]

I mean this is the same company that created Tar Baby And also made a ridiculous storyline about black panther being the Pink Panther having to do with some sort of homoactual story line. The movie was successful because it had real black people and the Cowards that make the terrible storylines you usually see were hiding like the cowardly roaches they are. And it got a chance to thrive with real people.

[@tyronleung5276]

I preferred the storm forge relationship the tchalla storm marriage was too forced to me

[@AthnaseCineas]

Shine comics can you please do a video on the comic book version of killmonger because i think the mcu and Michael b Jordan ruined the killmonger character

[@JayRose0926]

Ridley run was hot garbage

[@irvingramirez2335]

I thought ultimate black panther can’t speak?

[@leojones8552]

White guy was not there to check a box.

[@shinecomics]

The writer HIMSELF said that he made the Ross the main character to get more white people to buy the book. His words, not mine. The book is told from Everett Ross's perspective so that white audience's were more likely to buy the book.

[@irvingramirez2335]

Ultimate black panther!?!?

[@irvingramirez2335]

14:01 of course the writer is woke so he’ll Lean on victimizing himself

[@Green-Hybrid3017]

There not that bad. I find them to be pretty good. 😊

[@JavonReed-ej2ub]

Why do you say ur ts with ds like you say broader instead of brother

[@SHADOW-ur6th]

Lisp or sum

[@sexyquil87tx83]

Very Knowledgeable! I'm sorry but this guy cannot say the word Panther or any word with "th" at all, its so distracting LOL!!! Sounds like E-40 rapping. Thanks for the breakdown

[@shinecomics]

bruh im from new orleans lol