How King Daeron Nearly Lost Westeros to the Blackfyres

[@CrusaderChris]

Thanks for your patience on this, everyone! It's been 3 months since my Aegon the Unworthy video, but I was only able to make slow progress on this one whilst making weekly HOTD goofs. Also, keep an eye out for another progress update this Friday for my upcoming Daenerys video. It will be the third entry in my "Chaos in Westeros" series, this time focusing entirely on Daenerys. It's my most ambitious project ever, and should be done sometime next week!

[@wagiecagie]

YES FUCKING FINALLY DAERON 2.0 THE GOAT

[@Lionstar16]

Daeron will always be one of my favourite Targaryens because he achieved something that had been thought impossible - bringing Dorne officially into the Seven Kingdoms by peaceful methods, rather than dragons.

[@MenwithHill]

And of course all the dumb marcher lords who tried to gnaw at Dorne for thousands of years by then and couldn't even do it with dragon support were mad. Losers.

[@iheartcicada]

I mean Baelor arranged the marriage... Dorne WAS conquered, and it took an extremely dishonorable action by the Dornish to get rid of that subjugator (Daeron I)

[@Chadius_Thundercock]

@@iheartcicadathank you

[@iheartcicada]

@@Chadius_Thundercock 🫡🫡. Also, why didn’t Daeron II try to honor Daeron I upon the unification of the kingdoms by inquiring where the conquerors crown was/returning it to the crown? Just shows that he was an extremely pragmatic person, for better or worse.

[@taylorbeckett9686]

​@iheartcicada I mean tbf we don't know if he did or not. I can't wait for Fire & Blood 2 because Daeron II's time is so interesting to me yet we know so little. Even the world of ice and fire is close lipped on his reign. We know about Dunk & Egg and a few random short stories but that's bout it

[@billiramone]

Mark my words: Daemon's an Edric Storm/Renly Baratheon type. A good guy, a bit starstruck and innocent, a bit vain, a gullible man who worships his dead father. He'll be manipulated into starting the war, and he'll lose because of his innocence. Plus, he's Bloodraven's "brother that I loved".

[@sammyj1446]

Definitely. I think Bittersteel is the real villain.

[@MenwithHill]

I still like the theory that the brother he loved was Daemon, for the tragedy of it. He did the most for Daeron though of course.

[@jmpabd872]

Daeron might just be the brother he loved. I mean Daeron and Brynden's mother were friends, they probably had a very close relationship since childhood and Daeron probably gifted him dark sister too. Daemon definitely was a lot of more closer to Aegor

[@billiramone]

@@jmpabd872 I think that's too obvious. We'll see...

[@jmpabd872]

@@billiramone Maybe it's an obvious parallel between bloodraven and bittersteel, fighting for the cause of the brothers they loved. I could wrong, either way I think it works

[@alejandronunez5110]

Aegon the 4th was such an asshole it's like he did everything in his power to undermine Targaryen power and alliances out of pettiness

[@Lionstar16]

He certainly earned his nickname of 'The Unworthy'

[@alejandronunez5110]

@@Lionstar16 unworthy is an understatement

[@jmpabd872]

I doubt he wanted to ruin the targaryen legacy. He hated his son so much, he decided to shit on him while on his deathbed

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

That's what makes it so hard to determine who is worse him or areys , areys was a terrible king but he was mentally unstable and traumatized but aegon 4 was a bad king on purpose.

[@penloprager1218]

Based, screw the Targs

[@LowkynTheBroken]

I mean aegon the thirds kids weren't idiots they just weren't fit to rule. Daeron would have been a good general and baelor a good septon

[@iheartcicada]

Personally , I think that a lot of people that take the standpoint of Daeron I being solely competent at war neglect to realize that Visery's (whom was a very astute Hand of The King, & also had a great excuse of holding the regency for as long as he can under the guise of being the young kings uncle) was more than willing to allow Daeron, to act without regency. To make decisions befit of a grown man, let alone ruler of the Seven Kingdoms. To me, this evidently shows Visery's trust in Daeron's potential aptitude as a ruler, and mature attitude for his age.

[@SirBolsón]

​@@iheartcicadaLet's not forget that Daeron I WAS successful at taking Dorne; he only lost due to the Dornish being the desert equivalent to the Viet Cong.

[@FlameQwert]

​@@SirBolsóni.e. he lost. no one says Napoleon won just because he won the first part and lost the second. comments about "dishonourable" tactics (which somehow only ever is used to describe the kind of war a less powerful side can smartly use against a stronger invading force) is pure salty cope

[@SirBolsón]

​@@FlameQwert Whilst I agree with you that Daeron I did lose in the end, as the Dornish did as their grandsires did before them with the Conqueror which is understandable as Aegon burnt the place black like bacon, I do think that comparing the Young Dragon to Bonaparte is slightly unfair as Napoleon had to deal with several nations against his Empire with nominally standard and similar terrain (i.e. European biomes like open fields), Daeron dealt with a dry, desert landscape full of people who knew how to work it to their advantage. The equivalent for Napoleon was Russia, but it was not as if Russia itself was cold all year round.

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

@@FlameQwert I wouldnt say he lost the same way Napoleon lost. He won the war an conquered dorne. They rebelled, he went back and was killed in a parley.

[@rudebanana3037]

In the end the Blackfrye rebellion was started no more than a peer pressured heartbroken mess.

[@MenwithHill]

I feel really bad for Daemon. I'd love to see his story adapted ; a man who didn't seem to want to become king as much as everyone else had a vested interest in pushing him. If he had been encouraged to work with Daeron instead they could have made such a great team.

[@rudebanana3037]

@@MenwithHill Same hopefully they fill in the blanks on his story in the upcoming series.

[@Nanakaririka]

​@@rudebanana3037I don't think you should depend on HBO for filling the gaps, you should wait for fire&blood2 and future dunk&egg books because after HOD i don't trust HBO anyone they will choose and pick any character any they favour or fits to agenda to 🍆 ride. Even with fire and blood 1 being a full source material they are still fumbling imagine the Blackfryes story which has so much gaps in them and some characters are not even named

[@Nanakaririka]

​@@MenwithHillhonestly i don't want Daemon to be a sympathetic character if will make him look so stupid and dumb

[@MenwithHill]

@@Nanakaririka I don't think he has to be dumb. What we know of his life, he was always his father's favorite son. And even if he knew that that dad was a piece of shit, that has to be important to his upbringing. After that, we have dozens and dozens of scheming lords gasing him up, admiring him over his brother. Even if you have a firm mind, years and years of people singing your praises (in their own interests of course) will eventually wear someone down. Especially if you believe he wanted to marry Daenerys and had his marriage forced on him. On the one side we have Daeron trying to placate everyone and on the other Daemon losing faith in his brother over years, that he's looking out for him and actually sees him as something besides a threatening bastard - with tons of voices in his head telling him he's the one. There's tons of political and personal drama to be mined in fine ASOIAF tradition.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Daeron II definitely eaened The Good epithet. Shame his eldest son Baelor died before his time

[@erosennin211]

Would love if someone asked GRRM which Targs who never got to properly sit the throne would've been the greatest. Daeron II is probably the 2nd best of them all behind the GOAT Jaehaerys I.

[@imperiumbrasiliae]

​@@erosennin211Anyone called Aemon seems to be decent

[@jmpabd872]

​@@imperiumbrasiliaeGood men all of them

[@bingobongo496]

" Died before his time " more like killed by a warged maekar....

[@elilevit4574]

@@erosennin211 Aemon the dragonknight would have been great. Baelon the Brave and baelor breakspear would be great options too

[@edgarrojas5060]

16:00 That explains why in the current events of the saga the ruins of the Dragonpit are blackened like they were burned, despite the fact the pit was rebuilt right after the Dance of The Dragons.

[@jessedellross3245]

First it was the dance then this. The Targaryens would’ve had an unstoppable dynasty if they didn’t spend so much time destroying themselves

[@carmacksanderson3937]

That probably goes for a lot of real-life royal dynasties as well. After a certain time, they just keep shooting themselves in the foot

[@nathanlima4608]

This is all fault of Aegon IV, what a disgrace king

[@Kevin-xk3me]

ABOUT TIME! WHAT TOOK SO LONG!

[@Colincamera363]

Dearon the good is one of my favorite Targaryens 🐉

[@abandonallhope.1040]

It kind of is telling many of the good Targaryen monarchs mostly fix what previous bad ones did. It holds back on true progress. Kind of an unlucky dynasty the best Targaryens who should have been rulers were either passed over due to gender died too early or gave up the throne.

[@truetory6231]

Both the Dance of Dragons and the Blackfyre Rebellions happened because of kings who decided to pick their favourite child as their successor instead of following of the clear rules set by the great council of 101 which decrees that the king’s eldest trueborn son was always the rightful heir to the Iron Throne in all circumstances. Both Viserys I by nominating his daughter and Aegon IV by selecting his bastard son laid the groundwork for the realm to be divided and although the details were different, both wars were fought over the same fundamental question. Could the King ignore the customary succession law and set up an alternate succession line? And it was this that ultimately weakened the House Targaryen’s grip on power in the Seven Kingdoms. The dragonlords could have reigned for 1,000 years if it wasn’t for these civil wars instead their rule lasted barely 300 years.

[@Medvelelet]

I was led to your channel by some artist linking it under an Aegon/Daenerys artwork. You are a lot kinder to HotD than it deserves to be, but your videos are entertaining, and it is clear that you know your stuff when it comes to lore. So you earned another subscriber. Cheers.

[@vasylhohenzollern7218]

Glad to see new part of this series. Thx for your content

[@Laramaria2]

Daeron II was a great king! To me, he's the 3rd best Targaryen king! I would stand by him against the Blackfyre Rebels! I'm so excited to see prince Baelor on screen ❤

[@bbtfan7957]

I do hope they remember that Baelor's supposed to have dark hair and eyes.

[@Sololede]

This is Targaryen propaganda🤬 LONG LIVE HOUSE BLACKFYRE

[@SwallowedStov_e6]

​@@Sololede Fuck house blackfyre, King Daeron ii forever.

[@FuckfreysLuvfamily]

​@@Sololede"I ain't gay but flat belly is flat belly" Sir Useless Osgrey

[@vicanjel]

Daeron I was not an idiot. His character is inspired by Alexander the Great and he displayed great qualities. He was a teenage military genius, brave, and noble who died an honorable death. Had he lived past the Dornish treachery, he would likely be considered one of the greatest kings of his dynasty, for who knows what else he might have achieved.

[@AesirUnlimited]

He started a pointless war that got thousands killed just to stroke his own ego. Warmongers like him make the world a worse place.

[@tylerbarrett6652]

I'm looking forward now to the rest of these Targaryen Kings videos. Thanks for putting them all together and sharing them with us.

[@caverramos7581]

Excellent video

[@AlfredoPuente8]

Just imaging for a second that Daeron was the real bastard and the legitimate son of Aegon IV was Daemon. Daenerys would be the mummers dragon.

[@qsoraww5229]

I’ve been waiting on this. Let’s get it !!

[@thalmoragent9344]

I've said it so often but here I think it'll have the most publicity: I truly believe that House Blackfyre could've been a great boon to the Targaryen Dynasty as a loyal Cadet Branch. Much like how Orys Baratheon eventually started a House which was loyal to the Targaryens (well, till Robert's Rebellion) and shared blood. Imagine if the Blackfyre's were around, in a major castle in the Crownlands with a decent port that could've aided in trade/wealth for the Narrow Sea, and gained numbers, often marrying into the Velaryons, Targaryens, and perhaps Celtigars as well? Could've been awesome, but instead... we have the Blackfyre's, a whole branch family of Targaryens under a different name (basically a cousin house) warring with their kin for generations on end. Spilling more Blood of the Dragon, needlessly.

[@thehaus6998]

hell yea, Love these series of vids

[@Sniffin_Smarties]

It’s kinda cool how aegons kids were all seemingly kinda decent daeron (assuming aemon isn’t his real father) is a great king and a good man daemon despite putting the realm in rebellion is decent even attempting to save gwanyes life after defeating him in battle bloodraven basically ruled the realm for years and while he did bad things he did them for a good purpose

[@Cyanduck485]

Spiffing video First time I’ve seen a new dragon king videos since I subbed

[@ashleyofnaath]

Mark my words, Bloodraven "possessed" Maekar and killed Baelor then wiped Maekar's memory of the incident afterwards so he wouldn't live with the burden of that memory, similar to how he (Bloodraven) would later wipe Bran's memory of who pushed him. My thought's always been that that scrub was more to do with Jaime needing to live for some future event rather than anything to do with Bran; I wonder if it's similar with Maekar, and the burden of the memory would adversely affect someone Bloodraven needed to live. Or perhaps Bloodraven was just protecting the bloodline necessary to produce the 'Prince That Was Promised', used Maekar to do it, and afterwards granted Maekar a courtesy for the trouble by taking the memory from him. In any case, this was a great video. Nice job.

[@chrisrubin6445]

I always thought Bran was suppressing the memory of who pushed him as a trauma response. But id buy that about Maekar and Baelor for sure.

[@ashleyofnaath]

@@chrisrubin6445 That's certainly possible. The reason I thought the memory was erased as opposed to suppressed is because I thought during the coma dream, Bran attempts to remember who pushed him and the three-eyed crow says "you don't need that" and pecks him (or something to this effect), and after that Bran can't remember who pushed him. I might be wrong about that; please correct me if so lol.

[@MenwithHill]

Daeron II is absolutely one of the best kings, probably the best since old king Joe. He did everything right and they rebelled against him.

[@mcbeaty3971]

>He did everything right >They rebelled against him These statements are incongruent.

[@MenwithHill]

@@mcbeaty3971 He took the morally and politically right choices to expand the realm while maintaining peace. A large part of the upset was because there were a lot of warmonger who didn't want Dorne to be given the rights it had. Lots of racism against Dornishmen from marcher lords, as well as people who just didn't like Daeron's affect. When you look at the big ringleaders it's even more clear cut. Fireball joined the rebels because he wasn't allowed on the kingsguard, which is the best case possible for why he shouldn't never have been allowed on there indeed. The one person who seemed to be consistently looking above his petty interests and for the greater realm was Daeron. And it's a damn shame all these rats ever pushed Daemon to do the deed, he deserved better.

[@jonaslillelid5621]

Waited so long for this one, great job

[@denicabeale206]

Loving this series, please keep making them!

[@loggames3864]

The video I have been waiting for!!!!

[@beaver6d9]

Red or black, a dragon is still a dragon

[@muhammadhabibieamiro3639]

Finally i have been waiting for the next episode of the targaryen kings series

[@brianaguila6925]

Westeros is stuck in cycle of good and bad kings: good king helps the realm,realm elects a bad king. Bad king is bad,they chose a good king..... And the cycle goes.

[@Oceanatornowk]

Daeron the Dastardly more like. His woeful propaganda against King Aegon IV the Worthierest is a blight on goodness and trueness.

[@vibechecker3168]

All hail the king of the girth!

[@MenwithHill]

Aegon the true Dragoncock, father of hundreds, best dad ever.

[@viewer8734]

He was jealous if Big Aegon Cok

[@brodyestes2376]

Honestly, I would have been a massive Blackfyre supported had Daeron not been king, if someone like Aegon the unworthy was king I would have supported them

[@Jmm9667]

I just finished binging the last 12 so thank you for makinh these. Love exploring the targ family tree this way

[@richtea615]

Why does Aegon the Unworthy always look like GRRM?

[@billychops1280]

Once again Bashing Daeron I for doing literally nothing wrong, except believing that the Dornish had honour

[@AmericanImperium1776]

Another fantastic lore video. Keep up the great work. 👍 P.S. I bought Fire & Blood yesterday and can't wait to dive into the lore on my own. Peace ✌🏻 P.P.S. My fan casting for Daemon Blackfyre would probably be Henry Cavill. He's already played another white-haired warrior, let's give him another chance to play another. Aegon the Fifth is my personal favorite Targaryen. He actually passed reforms to help the smallfolk and reigned over a mostly peaceful Westeros. Daeron the Good seems good in my book too.

[@taylorbeckett9686]

Never really thought about how (other than having Blackfyre & being legitimized) Daemon had a legitimate claim to the through through his mother in a way that mirrors the dance. Fittingly, his name comes from Daena and Aegon's closest familiar relative (Daemon is grandfather to both).

[@Mmu12059]

Kind of wild that the first Blackfyre rebellion is one of the major wars that happened under the Targaryens and yet there’s so many details about it we don’t know yet, makes me hope we get Fire and Blood II eventually (after Winds of course)

[@DaemonB.170AC]

He was aight

[@Thebrave_taco078]

I believe that you should do Aerys i and maekar reigns all in one video I think it’ll be great idea 17:03

[@aarondemiri486]

Please do a video on Baelor Breakspear

[@badyoutuber1986]

7:15 what is the type of top Bealor is wearing in this frame?

[@ReuvenGoldstein1]

This is one of the very few conflicts where either side winning is still a good thing. Daeron II was a good king, and Daemon would have been a good king. both of their heirs were suspect, but Daemon's blood is more pure, so I'd support him in the hopes of the return of dragons.

[@rakshithanand8262]

I actually want to question this, given it is Daenerys (descendant of Daeron) who actually returns the dragons. Also, whilst Daemon by himself seems a decent guy, I also wonder how he would have handled the burden of the realm. Daeron was noted as a scholar and administrator, but he also had some of the best advisors and subordinates ever- Eleana, Baelor Breakspear, Bloodraven to name a few. All of them served valuable roles in putting the realm back onto a solid footing, and increased trade and access to the markets and goods of Dorne wouldn't hurt either. Meanwhile Daemon skews his council almost exclusively towards military matters- Bittersteel, Fireball, Redtusk etc. etc. He would have a hard time escaping Daeron's shadow in terms of economic development, made worse by the fact that all his biggest supporters would want a war with Dorne (wars are expensive and Daemon doesn't have an equivalent to Viserys II to do the finance for him). So with this in mind, what makes you so sure a hypothetical Daemon I would go down as well as Daeron II? Who would actually help him rule from an administrative sense? And how would he deal with Dorne given that Daeron I who was also a genius commander failed?

[@AlfredoPuente8]

George R.R Martin should have come out with more than 6 targaryen names, not only there are very few names, but they sound the same, this civil war is Daeron vs Daemon.

[@mcbeaty3971]

There’s around 58

[@mike4721]

Hope we dont have to wait too long for the next king in the series, honestly so cool you explain it really well I love this lore

[@justcallmeD90]

I really do love your videos I look forward to them Id definitely fight for the red dragon as with the dance id side with Queen Rhaenyra

[@leverans]

Bloodraven defeated them through tomfoolery

[@MenwithHill]

Brynden the Pale Tree, lord of shenanigans. Vizier of pranks.

[@badyoutuber1986]

Our mutual hate for veserys 1 brings us together.

[@Mysterey101]

Always nuve to make it to the end of a playlist and see the newest vid uploaded earlier today

[@alfieingrouille1528]

Daeron the Dorne lover

[@mcbeaty3971]

Daeron the Dornish

[@tuckernutter]

Daeron II denied Fireball a position because, in a very real sense: he broke his oath with his wife (marriage) and forced her into an oath that was likely against her will. How could he trust someone who views oaths in such a transactional way? There's no real honor, so why should he, Daeron II, honor his dishonorable father's promise to a dishonorable sycophant? Something tells me Fireball would have betrayed Daeron II one way or another, eventually.

[@higharchbishopofteatasting6217]

Exactlyyyyy, Fireball was an amaizng warrior, but a terrible man.

[@thomascherry2281]

Great video as always- can’t wait for more - nice to see someone who bases there opinions on actual lore rather than the randoms who spew everywhere else.

[@TaeSunWoo]

Something to watch while I’m playing as King Rhaegar in CK3’s AGOT👀 Aegon Blackfyre son of Maelys the Monstrous just invaded via Sharp Pointe in my game and is about to be like “wtf is up, Westeros?! 😆 Time to take the throne from the usurping cadet branc-wait, why do you have like a dozen dragons..? 👁️👄👁️”

[@Eddy1938-b]

Any chance you’ll cover the Blackfyres?

[@fatimazuberova6753]

Finally, something to watch while i eat

[@cristianandresmurilloalbor1309]

Amazing video as usual, but is it me or the timeline at 0:45 is wrong? I mean, Daeron II appears before Aegon III

[@CrusaderChris]

I put Daeron where he was born, in 153 AC, to show how many kings there were between his birth and his father's death. So there is a "B." under his name for "born," whereas the other dates use "D." for the year their reign ended.

[@fearless3405]

daemon blackfyre the first of his name and the son of baelor the great and Daena the Defiant

[@Ranben.]

He probably was. I think the Blackfyres are a reference to two DC characters, Deacon Blackfyre the religious cult leader, and Blackfire a warlike princess who is the sister of Starfire from the Teen Titans.

[@mouse3872]

Something that NOBODY talks about is how Daeron the "Good" NEVER sent help to Lord Stark to fight off the Skagos rebellion leading to Lord Starks death and eventual Northern succession crisis in Winterfell. If Daeron hadnt been so focused on Dorne and the rest of the south he would have prevented the succession crisis. Plus most of the Blackfyre supporters were some of the prowd warrior houses its possible that not sending reinforcements to the North gave many of these houses further justification to seeing Daeron as weak and being manipulated by the Southern Dornish

[@mouse3872]

Just got to the end of the video and yeah Daeron did not have a peaceful rule... As mentioned above the North fought with Skagos for what is described as YEARS. The fighting was so bad that the Stark lord had to ask for help from the South which as far as we know never arrived other than maybe some Sellswords and individual Knights

[@sleepyguy236]

I doubt that most southern’s lords really gaf about the north honestly. Hell, I don’t think any northerners were participate in blackfyre rebellion too. Btw I think you mix up between skagoshi’s rebellion with the dagon greyjoy stuffs(as far as we know, lord stark actually started call bannerman when greyjoys become troublesome, again not during daeron ii’s reign), they were whole different events. About stark messy succession I’d argue it was started from rickon got killed in conquest of dorne. I think if you really want to argue about daeron ii’s not being peaceful, you should bring “vulture king” aka another self-proclaimed king other than house blackfyre instead and I personally doubt that house blackfyre and vulture king are only pretenders in daeron ii’s reign.

[@mouse3872]

@@sleepyguy236 it was both the greyjoy stuff and the Skagosi stuff the led to the crisis like how Daeron the young dragon and Baelor both died relatively soon to each other without producing heirs. The Skagosi killed a Stark lord during the conflict and its said the war lasted years. But the point still stands the fact that Daeron ignored one of the largest realms in his kingdom having a crisis is a sign of bad leadership. While Daeron was giving special treatment to the Dornish in the South he let the North bleed. It's mentioned that Daemon Blackfyre spoke up and opposed Daeron on some political situations and it's possible that the Northern crisis was one of those topics

[@mouse3872]

@@sleepyguy236 also forgot to mention the North likely didn't participate in the Blackfyre rebellion because of the fact they just fought the Skagosi and maybe the Greyjoys (don't remember specifically when the Greyjoys attacked the North) but the point is both the Greyjoy attack and the Skagosi rebellion are said to have been very bloody with the both of those conflicts including the death of the Stark Lord. The North was in no position to be taking armies down south to participate in a war for either side.

[@user-cm6yl6lt7p]

Daeron 2 is one of the best kings in the history of the 7 kingdoms. He is top 2 or top 3, and maybe could argue top 1. He is the undisputed greatest king without dragons.

[@nathanlima4608]

Top 1 is Jaehaerys I, ruled for 55 years without making huge wars

[@Jameson3.14]

Will you remake this series if F&B2 comes out?

[@Raincognoscente]

1. Daeron II 2. Jaehaerys I 3. Aegon V Daeron was Jaehaerys but without the daddy issues.

[@andreademarchi7495]

and without being sexist lol

[@nathanlima4608]

​@@andreademarchi7495stop with this nonsense

[@ethangartin4865]

I would rank him as second only to the conciliator

[@dellavonta187]

Ok why did bealor statue have a sword and a clean cut ?

[@joshdoeshelp8215]

We love Daeron II in this household

[@somebodyoncetoldme5203]

when it comes to rulership I would say Daeron ii is the second greatest king in the 7 kingdoms only behinde jaehaerys i

[@AnthonyDeeYT]

I love this series!

[@badyoutuber1986]

All this is better than the dance.

[@TrenParker-hi8tx]

Who's Next Aerys II or Maekar I

[@oathunderelo4723]

Didn't know Aegor married Daemon's daughter. Could he be Young Griff's ancestor and the reason the blackfyre line is still alive through the female line?

[@Nanakaririka]

I am mad that people always forget that he was married, but he didn't have kids.

[@aegorbittersteel2154]

LONG LIVE HOUSE BLACKFYRE TRUE ROYAL FAMILY AND HOLDERS OF BLACKFYRE THE SWORD OF KINGS!!!!!

[@arielathomo229]

YOU ARE ALL USURPERS!!!

[@aegorbittersteel2154]

DAERON IS A FALSE KING!!!!​@@arielathomo229

[@Lalvon_Zelpharr]

"Do you still believe good soldiers make good kings?" - Renly Baratheon.

[@aegorbittersteel2154]

@@Lalvon_Zelpharr King Daemon Blackfyre was more than just a good soldier. He was also charming and honorable man a king that can lead by example.

[@Lalvon_Zelpharr]

@aegorbittersteel2154 Bollocks, Daeron II Targaryen was a good and capable king because he focused on peace, diplomacy, and stability during his reign Like he successfully brought Dorne into the Seven Kingdoms through marriage and diplomacy rather than war, which was a significant achievement, Something Aegon The conqueror himself couldn't even do Daeron also promoted a culture of learning and supported the arts, which helped enrich Westerosi culture. His reign was generally marked by prosperity, although it wasn't without challenges, despite this, his emphasis on unity and cultural development made him a respected king in my opinion

[@apenasumbotp7788]

When it's said that a quarter of kingslanding burned with them, I believe it's implied that a quarter of the population that fell to the sickness was burned at the dragon pit (not a quarter of the actual city)

[@Hohenstein1871]

0:57 Did you just call Daeron I. "The based Dragon" an "idiot"? Wars have been started for less.

[@SirLofHearthaven]

Fantastic video, but never disrespect the GOAT Baelor the Blessed. Have a nice day, good sir:)

[@vibechecker3168]

Bittersteel is my favourite character of this generation in my opinion as he seemingly kept the whole thing afloat out of absolute spite. Also his heraldry is far, far better than bloodravens.

[@Colincamera363]

Seven hells no! The albino dragon is way cooler and some lame horse sides. He’s a descendent of the Brackens who often choose the wrong side, a.k.a. the villains

[@aegorbittersteel2154]

So true you are very wise although spite and loyalty.

[@aegorbittersteel2154]

​@Colincamera363 House Bracken Superior!!!!

[@Colincamera363]

@@aegorbittersteel2154 I think you mean house Blackwood superior and house Bracken lesser, common mistake

[@turtleguyfan]

He’s such a funny character cause he’s been so pissed off all his life that he’d gladly lead a rebellion against the Iron Throne almost 4 times in a row and each leads to more disastrous results. Golden Company 0-4 against the Iron Throne. Mickey Mouse Mercenary Company. Fights against pirates and circus performers in Essos. Can’t handle Real Westerosi Knights. Got stomped by a half peasant King.

[@GodBless423]

Another Home Run !! 😊

[@guwopzy]

6:57 Still got smoked by Breakspear at the Martell wedding tourney 🤣🤣🤞🏼 Brown boy takeover

[@ChrisCipparrone]

Daemon Blackfyre was the right choice of king. Aegor rivers was a mongrel like the rest of the brackens. Bloodraven was a pragmatic man.

[@badyoutuber1986]

Deamon would have made a good master of laws or even hand not the ruler himself.

[@kenthehobo]

Bloodraven?

[@AegonTargaryenthesecond3096]

Daemon blackfyre is the true king and I can prove it if you all wanna know why

[@kingston4313]

Wish they could make an anthology series, just showing targ kings and their rule.

[@vladimirspasojevic2969]

If HBO ever adapts Aegon the Unworthy’s or Daeron the Good’s reign, my bet is that they will go with Daeron being a bastard son of Aemon the Dragonknight. I don’t see Aegon the IV being a carrier of the Conqueror’s prophecy, so it would only make sense for the Dragonknight to have the dreams or something, hence Daeron is conceived. This would mean that the Blackfyres are the true Targaryens of course, and could somehow explain Aegon the IV’s decision to legitimise his bastard children. Just a theory though

[@williamdaniels9728]

It really irks me that they are going to do A Knight Of The Seven Kingdoms without really covering the events of the Blackfyre Rebellion itself except with exposition. I know HBO probably thought fans wouldn't want to see another "succession crisis" series after HOTD ends but I feel that's really where the similarities between the two stories (Dance Of The Dragons & Blackfyre Rebellions) ends. All of the character work and drama is entirely different and predicated on a lot of generational history the viewer has to familiarize themselves with, but it also adds so much to the lore and world building (big focus on Dorne) and really the story kind of ends (after Egg) where the events of Tywin & Aerys and Robert's Rebellion begins. I really hope they continue HOTD into Blackfyre Rebellions for 4 seasons (use the same actors from KOTSK, Dareon & Brynden Rivers, if they make appearances) and then once that ends do the lead up to Roberts Rebellion. 12 seasons in total and then end the series and you will have covered most of what needs to be told between HOTD & GOT. I don't know that they should separate them into their own shows but maybe they will for trademark and branding purposes. All that being said you know my personal favorite fan theory is that Damon Blackfyre is Baelor's son from Daena The Defiant and that Dareon II (The Good) is also a bastard of Aemon The DragonKnight & Nerys like Aegon accused. I also think Dareon had his father murdered (in his dying days) to take control of the realm. I think a lot of the personal micro decisions Dareon makes will have us questioning his namesake (The Good) while we will sympathize with the larger macro decisions he makes to try and stabilize and bring order and justice back to the Kingdom. It could really be some fascinating character work.

[@SamButler22]

All those Blackfyre rebellions that Bittersteel kept supporting, kept surviving while his various Blackfyre pretenders kept dying. Aegor's claim was as good as Daemon's. You'd think he would eventually take it as a sign from the gods that he should press his own claim

[@Nanakaririka]

He's probably not as bad as people make him out to be, he basically took daemon's kids as he own why would he dare to press his claim over his brother's sons

[@Nemenon]

Is it said why Daeron rejected Fireball as a Kingsguard? That seems like such a strange decision.

[@Jdjdjdujakzgsha]

Fireball was promised that by Aegon IV for some reason, likely he did something to please the king. Whatever it was if Aegon IV approved of it Daeron probably would’ve disapproved, considering that they were complete opposites. Maybe that’s why he refused Fireball a place in the Kingsguard

[@rakshithanand8262]

@@Jdjdjdujakzgsha Also Fireball forced his wife to become a Silent Sister to meet the criteria of 'unmarried'. For Daeron whose mother was forced to doo things for political gain, actions like that probably made him quite angry.

[@durrangodsgrief6503]

@@rakshithanand8262 but would have also showed his devotion to the white also fireball was a very good commander

[@rakshithanand8262]

@@durrangodsgrief6503 I’m not saying it was a perfect political decision. Just that Daeron had pretty obvious reasons to dislike Fireball and thus deny him the prestige of a Kingsguard position.

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

​@@durrangodsgrief6503 if he can't be devoted to his wife what makes you think her be devoted to the kings guard ? That likely what daeron was thinking quintan was just seeking glory and fame being a kings guard which is not what the position is about.

[@Baelor-Breakspear]

I was a kind and capable heir thank you Ser

[@IlijaNenadović]

So, the Black Dragon was defeated because he held on discency. There is no discency permitted when you seek power in Westeros. Aegon 4. must've planned this to torment Daeron and his loyalists for a little bit. In coming series about Duncan and Aegon 5., I'm really looking forward to Duncans talk with Eustace Osgray about the rebellion and Daemon Blackfyre the 2s mockery of a confrontation with Bloodraven. I hope they'll be as good on screen as they were on pages

[@badyoutuber1986]

I really wish they wouldn't touch the lore anymore. It's clear the studios give zero shits about the art that is a song of ice and fire. They are 0 in 2 when it comes to live adaptations . Also the book will never be completed.

[@Sorrykid01]

Daeron will probably be ranked 4th of my Targaryen king list. It could be higher but his competition is aegon the conquer, jaharyes the conciliator, and viseryes. All great wise kings but possessed more grit than daeron. If any of them were in the same position as him the blackfyre rebellion would have ended a long time

[@Caelus3528]

Team Red

[@hendrix7948]

Red dragon I ain’t playing around with bloddraven crazy azz

[@SamButler22]

If Aegon 4 had disinherited Daeron and his line, Daenerys would have been the presumed heir? Right up until Daemon was legitimised, who she may have married by then anyway? Were there any other Targaryens alive by then or had the Dance pruned the tree right down? Daemon and Laena's daughters and/or grandchildren? Aegon's youngest sister? No legit males at all???

[@Fitz2364]

Red Dragon.

[@Jayvvon]

Daemon would of been a great master of war if he and Daeron had a better relationship

[@King_Steffon_II]

You know, Prince Baelor could've died during the Great Spring Sickness if he survived the tourney trial 🤔

[@evannesbitt7852]

To the point of Viserys not teaching his heirs to rule, that is exactly what we see Viserys I do with Rhaenyra sitting on his small council in the show and Rhaenyra brings forward incredibly valuable policy proposals, like not letting the Blackwoods and Bracken's feud spiral into civil strife. And garrisoning the Stepstones to deter future invasions and war, and a solution to the inevitable succession crisis by wedding her son Jacerys to Helaena.

[@rakshithanand8262]

Except that Rhaenyra was never given visible authority to build up her credibility as a ruler, so naturally none of the lords saw her as worthy the way Baelor was as Hand of the King. Nor were her solutions all that incredible; The Blackwood/Bracken feud was a known issue that fell under the jurisdiction of House Tully as Lords Paramount of the riverlands, and meddling in their affairs would not look good. Similarly, garrisoning the stepstones is cool and all, but with who? Who would want to spend men and money on sparse, poor islands constantly under the risk of war? An occupied stepstones drains an awful lot of money and political power for no real benefit compared to just negotiating with the Triarchy directly (what Viserys does). As for Jace/Helaena- it solves the crisis only if it is known who will sit the throne before their eventual child. It's a way for the 'winner' to solidify their claim, but doesn't actually address the issue of if Aegon or Rhaenyra are the rightful heir to Viserys. This is what happened- Aegon III married Jaehera, but Aegon II 'won' because his claim was recognised through Aegon as his uncle and not Rhaenyra his mother. I do think Rhaenyra could have been a good queen, but it's clear she never got all the training needed to overcome the hurdle of being born a woman in a patriarchal society.

[@evannesbitt7852]

​@@rakshithanand8262that's simply not true because the other lords of the Small Council see and hear and report back about Rhaenyra's voice and activities and that is just in small council meetings, never mind any presentations before Court itself as well. We lost so much opportunity either from the brevity or the writers or in the massive scope of the years long time jumps. As for the stepstones being only a pile of rocks, that's not true either, it protects and monopolizes westerosi trade for the entirety of the Narrow Sea, connecting more cities and ports to the richest markets in the world which would be a key factor in the development of the whole realm, especially as it benefits the capital and inevitable largest city of King's Landing. The men could very easily be found from the house's whose interests are involved there like in the Manderlys, the Graftons, the Darklyns, the Mootons, or to some degree, the houses who do not benefit quite as directly but still would all the same, such as House Hightower and House Redwyne.

[@evannesbitt7852]

​@@rakshithanand8262i don't really see your perspective about Jace and Helaena not solving the problem or Aegon III only "winning" because of his uncle, the fact is he was the only Targaryen left alive that the realm would accept, the other Targaryens would still be alive if Alicent weren't so hotheaded and was actually "counting the cost to her people"

[@evannesbitt7852]

​@@rakshithanand8262as for meddling in "House Tullys Affairs" that's simply lazy, Lord Grover was incapable of fulfilinng the role and to a larger extent, House Tully was as well, it is the Targaryens realm and the outbreak of war would affect more than just these two powerful houses in the Riverlands, as Rhaenyra says "the cost of war is greater" if House Targaryen allows two houses to break the Kings Peace, anyone would think they can get away with it

[@durrangodsgrief6503]

@@evannesbitt7852 it doesnt sort out the fact that by all law aegon should be heir that fact is still their that claim still their and doesn't stop the fact that Jace is a bastard, and by alicent I think you meant viserys

[@sumairshirazi]

Hold on isn't daeron alicent and viserys son how did he become king ?

[@CrusaderChris]

This is a different Daeron, who lived a few decades after Alicent's Daeron.

[@sumairshirazi]

@@CrusaderChris after ? Didn't rhanerys children rule though?

[@badyoutuber1986]

​@@sumairshiraziDearon the first is the grandchild of Rheanyra, Dearon the Daring is the last son of Allicent and Dearon the second is the great grand child of Rheanyra.

[@sumairshirazi]

@@badyoutuber1986 ah ok ok

[@deityjc]

Correction: how BLOODRAVEN defeated House Blackfyre 🤣

[@MikeyDfromTN]

I love learning about this universe but damn G RR MARTIN . Should’ve changed up the freaking names of the Targaryen’s wayy to many A Names and all these videos fly through the lineage so it’s almost impossible to wrap your head around the history of the dragon