How KinnPorsche Raised BL Standards

[@ohmygettingcrazy]

The chemistry between Mile and Apo is AMAZING. Had me hooked from the moment the trailer dropped

[@civivva4501]

What I hope the effect of KinnPorsche: 1) Better quality writers, directors and actors work on BLs. 2) BLs are funded better so they can tell stories outside Highschool/University. 3) Easier World Wide airing.

[@mizbootsie8175]

I'll add a 4th - It may be difficult. But if you are looking for world wide appeal, dominant/top energy has to be lessened. Or balance the energy. Does not have to be a top/bottom dynamic. The actors need to be better. K&P was lucky, every body was good. I haven't watch many Thai BL. And the acting in the ones I have...😩 Any recommendations?

[@civivva4501]

@@mizbootsie8175 KP is a BL/ Gay Drama unicorn. I am new to BL and am more used to K, J and C dramas plus Hollywood and British TV so take my recommendations with that in mind. I find Thai BL quality too basic, but I did enjoy Bad Buddy as an example of good acting but a drama set in University. The main actors are good. A direct recommendation for something similar to KP as in acting, violence and bromance not so much BL is Kei×Yaku which is Japanese. For better production quality you have to look at other Asian countries. Korea has the production quality but the run times and episode numbers are low 10mins-30mins and 8-10 episodes. Semantic Error, To My Star and Where your Eyes Linger are good. Japan has the same short run times and low episodes and they also like quirky shows, A Man Who Defies the World of BL, Cherry Blossom Magic and Mr. Unlucky Has No Choice but to Kiss! Taiwan - HIStory 3: Trapped China specialises in Bromance as they have banned BL dramas, Advance Bravely and Word of Honor.

[@lawaanjaideelyon1890]

@@mizbootsie8175 secret crush on you, Cutie pie , bad buddy master piece, lie to me ,blueming, love. Mechanics 2022, until we meet again

[@timefliesaway999]

@@mizbootsie8175 agree!!! It really needs to be less top/bottom and more balance! Which KP sadly failed to achieve, but hopefully either s2 will do it (if there'll be one) or future series go into that more.

[@K1290-c6p]

I loved KinnPorsche. Thanks to them I can't watch any other BL's. So a blessing and a curse finding the show! 😂

[@sarafinabowen6133]

So true

[@TheAngystella24]

I Iaugh now at all the BLs that I am currently rewatching now that there are no more KP. Rewatching KP too.

[@mizbootsie8175]

We all have to get over it. Its like eating delicious food not normally available to you. Still gotta eat! 😩😁

[@kasia3825]

Omg same here best curse 😋😋😋😋 ever

[@leejiji9985]

Same, had been trying to find a BL to watch since KinnPorsche but failed miserably hahahaha

[@alexiela]

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said. Mile and Apo being so in character just completely sold this to me. The first kiss in episode 3 is the sinker. I do hope there's a season 2 but only if it's better than the first!

[@hello_iamme]

I really like this kind of content. Also, I was thinking the same thing regarding the fluid take on MileApo's NC scenes. Their kissing scene in ep 8 is also like that, we have one camera chasing after them instead of jumping to different angle every time. They are so comfortable with each other. I believe that chemistry can't be fake but i believe that they can be worked on through workshop. I feel like GMM is not giving their actors enough time in intimacy workshop. Being unbiased, i believe that they set the new standard and that will be the legacy MileApo will be leaving to the Y-series. Sometimes, i can't even watch their kiss scenes because it's so realistic i feel like i'm intruding. MileApo kisses so naturally, the way they suck or sniff each other is so realistic. They have perfect rhythm. I believe that they talk a lot about what they are gonna do first before doing the scene, they design it together, and that is why they so comfortable with each other during their scenes. I hope you can talk about more of kinnporsche. I'm happy with this video. It's amazing how a kiss can change the whole game.

[@mariaponce3620]

A lot of Thai BL’s have “passable” acting and chemistry that is not great or memorable. Even though the actors on KinnPorsche aren’t super well known, the acting was better than every BL I have ever seen.

[@SarahTheSweet15.15]

It was such a unique BL. It was definitely so different. It was so amazing in every way!!! The acting, the chemistry, the NC scenes, the cinematics, the music... The whole cast blew me away.

[@maitreyeehira8523]

To be very honest...I have seen some BL series...but this one looks so real...like they are not acting at all.all the kisses and gestures seems so natural I never feel this before not even in hollywood movies...either the reel main couple is fabulous actors or they have some real life high chemistry. vegas-pete looks like they are very good in acting not that very natural but for kinporsche this is something eles.

[@puiyeechau2443]

Thank you for this video. I agree with your comments. I am so happy that you did the video, constructive criticism is always good. This will help Kinn Porsche if the series would have a second season. A kiss is crucial to establish the couple's feelings toward each other. Apo and Mile's scenes are so natural that I feel like I am intruding in their lives. The intimacy when Kinn brushes his fingers on Porsche ( the helicopter ride, in the bedroom where Porsche is drying Kinn's hair) is par none. Kinn and Porches' kisses, OMG! This is what a couple in love would do. I am very new to the BL fandom. However, I watched most of the past and present BLS. I can't watch another BL in a school setting. I usually watch the first episode and get the sense of whether or not I would invest the time.

[@albar.3038]

No other series will ever be like KinnPorsche. They just paved the way to a new different world in the bl industry. I’m not saying that the series is a MASTERPIECE, because like you said, it does have things that don’t add up. It’s not flawless, but it is the closest we’ve got to it in a bl. I don’t even have enough words to describe it, but the chemistry, the story, the locations, the colors, the dialogues, the props, the cinematography, the soundtracks, the development of the characters, the fact that they touched triggering topics and didn’t let it pass as if it was nothing, THE ACTING, it’s so beautiful and well done. Like, even the advertisements made that in most series is cringy, they managed to make it look more natural into the story and not so in your face. They demonstrated that it’s possible to have many different genres in a show (fantasy, tragedy, romance, mystery, adventure, drama, action, and comedy), you just have to find the perfect balance to make it work. Bad Buddy still holds the first place on ‘the best first kiss’ ranking for me.😭😭 If that scene doesn’t scream perfection, then I don’t know what it is). 🙌🏻

[@sophiawilson8696]

Semitic Error, Knock and Korn etc. Please check these series.

[@flowerroad1006]

I've been watching bl series since 6 yrs ago. And trust me, KinnPorsche is on another level. They have budget, best directing, best production and of course Mile and Apo carried the whole series from start to the end. Their chemistry is insane and their acting skills are so amazing. They deserved to be more recognizations.

[@whatever3440]

Finally I see someone that has the same opinion as me when it comes to VP. A lot was lacking. I think a lot of people love them because of the actors themselves but man, it felt so dry to me. Their skinship felt so unauthentic, I enjoyed them way more when they were doing anything else. Like when they stop to talk, or when they're having a high emotional scene like when Vegas got shot. I think those two needed more time at the workshops. They're great actors, I just wasn't feeling it at all during the nc scenes. Mile and App though, those two are very much in sync and they themselves know it. They took their time to study each others bodies and emotional responses, they know that having full and complete trust in each other is what makes their chemistry bloom on screen. They let themselves be immersed in the scenes, it's a joy to watch. My first bl was my engineer lmao so the jump in quality was incredible. It's definitely set a standard and I hope future bls push through

[@ashcutie1316]

I loved Kinnporsche and. I can't just have the same excitement for any other drama right now Trying to get over it but still can't

[@adz1531]

Same with me .. I can't be bothered with other BL right now when KN Is already over and I feel so empty 😢

[@louanns4245]

Your dissection and analysis of KinnPorsche wa so spot on! 👍👍

[@issey1456]

Nine months later this vid is still spot on, and I'm so thrilled I finally came across it. It goes straight into my faves. Your analysis of the Vegas Pete parts that should have been improved is perfect and very clear. If 4minutes the series is ever shot with these two as the cast , they definitely need to watch your vieo as a workshop !

[@adz1531]

They are definitely a game changer THE STANDARD 👍👆

[@hocvienbatongsan7656]

If there is one thing that is undeniable in this series, it’s MileApo’s chemistry. No one comes close to them. They brought KinnPorsche to life. KPTS raised the standard for Thai BL series because of them.

[@RK-bg4vt]

The way i agree with all of your points is giving me so many overwhelming feelings right now lmao...I TOTALLY AGREE with whatever you mentioned in this video.. Kinnporsche/MileApo are THE STANDARD!! Nobody did or is doing it like them..i really hate when ppl take their credit away just bcz they stan other people or trying to compete. I guess It is very safe to say that Mile and apo have carried majority of the show from DAY 1..acc to me it is both their offscreen and onscreen chem which made people talk & hype abt this show..they were compared to many famous ships like they are next Mewgulf, Maxtull..etc but NAH for me they are the new MILEAPO..they are very natural & genuine..no pair matches their vibe acc to me..its very beautiful ❤️ Whatever they did and created is literally so tough to pull off. Either it be two manliest men showing their soft side & chem like nobody else and their intimacy looks as if we are watching a real couple who is madly in love😭❣️ I love every character tho.. they contributed and balanced this show very well. And i agree with Vegaspete..they def have emotional chemistry ❣️ but physically it really looked flat & a bit awkward may be. Even tho Kinnporsche's vibe is more fruity and soft..they look more passionate & intense while making love..whereas VP had such an intense topic BDSM to their characters/bond but it somehow didn't make any impact. Apart from kinn and porsche..I love tankhun and Vegas characters individually 😍❣️ Inshort this show has ruined everything for me🥲🔪 & i am sad that i found this masterpiece very late 🤧

[@Hannah070]

Thank you for breaking down so comprehensively what makes a good kiss! I could watch Mile kiss on a loop for hours. The way Kinn kisses Porsche is my new personal love language. He is so hungry for his partner in a way that's beautiful to watch.

[@dylanmaxx2024]

My favorite BL ever honestly!!!

[@tams6342]

I was wondering why while I like Vegas Pete I didn't feel that engaged by their sex scene. I agree, the actors arent as in tune with each other physically like Mile Apo. I hope we see all the actors in more roles in the future.

[@LDk4816]

I just always felt it had to do with the nature of their relationship. Kinn and Porsche’s scenes were very emotionally, ROMANTICALLY charged, fueled by months of being around each other, learning each other, etc. Vegas and Pete’s first sexual encounter had the possibility of feelings, but at the time was all about the physical. It felt rushed, and chaotic, and heated, but I’d also consider it comparatively emotionally detached. True emotion came for them later. Personal opinion, but still.

[@crazysmall.artist]

@@LDk4816 I agree with this statement!! after all, they just started.

[@LDk4816]

@@crazysmall.artist And thinking about it more, it’s also about BDSM etiquette. Pete and Vegas initially bond over their shared trauma, as well as a mutual need to find release by taking/giving you control. But there is a reason things like that are negotiated and talked through first. Like Porsche agonizing over whether sex with Kinn was based on Kinn liking him or using him, I think Pete agonized over his choice to engage with Vegas, a man keeping him like he’s less than human, and what to meant about himself. Coming face to face with that kind of thing is hard to cope with. I seriously hope they visit it more. Now I’m rambling. I think too much about these things.

[@crazysmall.artist]

@@LDk4816 nope, you're just fine!! you literally said my entire thought process about those two 😭💀👏

[@LDk4816]

@@crazysmall.artist 🥹❤️😘

[@aria7046]

I just found this video and I wholeheartedly agree with everything you've said. I am a little late to comment but I watched the series real time, and I agree with all your analysis. Especially the Vegas Pete one. It's not said a lot in the fandom but its a fact nonetheless. Kudos to you for making this video with such apt examples and explanations!!

[@myrmidoni87]

I LOVED this show, but I did wish that the VegasPete story had been more fleshed out. They lived a whole romance in the span of 2 episodes. A few more episodes or more scenes would have helped show their interactions. The actors are fantastic, and I kind of wished they had gotten a chance (like Kinn and Porsche did) to show more ofthose facial expreasions/body language towards each other. The fact that we got so much from just 2 episodes, imagine what they could have done with more.

[@nivaxell6509]

I absolutely agree and I feel like that's actually why some of their moments lack compared to Kinn and Porsches scenes. It's just that they didn't have the time to build something up so a full on "I love you" kiss might just feel a bit off when you feel like there needs to be other things first. Regardless of that they did a wonderful job though!

[@queenmahsa3761]

I am so agree with you! Everything about this drama is high standard!! The chemistry, cinematography, beautiful shots, amazing lights and sets!! Even their outfit!!! The best BL serie I've ever watch!!!! Miles a head from any other BL series!!!!

[@x3needxx]

I have been watching bl for a VERY long time i i have never felt the same way i feel about kinnporsche ( especially mileapo), in fact even alot of straight dramas western or eastern don’t have chemistry like mileapo ..

[@thenightowl9123]

this is a very honest and balance take on KPTS regarding their romance and chemistry betrayal. I won't argue with the plot shortcomings because i agree with all of the points and even would add more of my owns. The chemistry department though, Kinn and Porsche or Mile and Apo carry the entire genre on their back. There were so much rawness, passion and honesty in their affection for one another that it creates a whirlwind of emotions in the viewers as well. Their takes are beautiful, every detail reflects their desire for one another. They make their love and passion so believable that you do feel like you are interrupting an intimate moment between two real life lovers. Also I have rarely seen anyone who would comment on the VP scenes arrangement bc that was what i had a bit of problems with as well. My biggest gripe was the shaky cam during the first passionate kiss scene. It was moving so much that I almost feel like I had carsick. I couldn't see clearly their facial expressions and felt so disconnected from their passion. Even the actors said they employed camera trick for the sex scene so that explained why it didn't feel like a continuous process. Bible and Build nailed their emotional scenes, you can tell when they nailed it because it was shown as a one shot. However when it comes to intimacy it seems they couldn't quite get to the level of physical lust their characters needed to be. So the camera movement and editing magic came to the rescue. It would have been more in harmony with the actor's temperament if they made the love scene completely sweet and gentle instead of trying to incorporate the BDSM elements. Their characters naturally develop in that direction too. Vegas seems to be a gentle lover when he is with Pete and not have to be anyone else but himself. They dont have to follow the book at all since the characters in series organically take their own shape through the portrayal of the actors and their chemistry with each other. As for Mile and Apo I really have no word. They raised the standard and they are the standard when it comes to chemistry between characters.

[@LisaOnyimonyi]

The chemistry of every couple on KinnPorsche is what saved the show. Mile and Apo, Barcode and Jeff, Bible and Build. The first two episodes didn't excite me as much as I thought they would but as soon as the couples started getting together, I couldn't take my eyes off screen. For me, the plot was kinda not consistent but I think they did well with, considering the many hurdles they had to face before giving us their performances. Everyone involved in the project really did well. I hope other future BL projects (from Thailand mostly) will take notes. A few from Japan and Taiwan are not so bad.

[@ADDButterfly]

This was awesome! The show really did raise the bar, just like Bad Buddy. Too bad you didn't do a video on that. I would have watched the hell out of it. Because no one else has.

[@nneichan9353]

what I appreciated about many of KP's scenes was the beautiful sensuality, the cinematography, the color of the surroundings, the raw emotion. It was emotive when it was called for, instead of awkwardly getting the scene out of the way. No one was too shy to do the best acting, it was a class act by good actors, who understood their characters and seemed to actually become them. I loved so many of the actors, I could probably just submit an entire list of the cast...

[@carmenarbelo833]

Excellent Commentary 👌 I know nothing of cinematography. But listening to you gave me a better understanding of how to evaluate acting scenes.As a viewer, I've always considered the heart of any series or movie, the director and their cast. Many actors take and respect their leads and hold back emotions, depending on the country they are in! There is a fine line.... Depending on the director who's willing to put his neck on the line, for his work of art, the actors will give them a 💯!😎

[@mizbootsie8175]

I think it will be difficult for any BL couple, anywhere, after Mile and Apo. The level of intimacy the gave us, I've rarely seen. Especially from a more conservative country. That kind of trust and bravery is difficult to have. Honestly, I don't think we will see more like they portray. Others can't/won't handle it. This is NOT attack or criticism of others. Just what I think. But, I do think other couples, Vegas and Pete to, can improve on what they portray. It will take time and more comfort. But, we see couples that have the makings!

[@meghnamitra8215]

Actually you conveyed my thoughts so well, before Bad Buddy the only series where I found chemistry was between the leads of Together With Me but that series has other different negative factors working against it. But it is really hard to go back to anywhere from The KinnPorsche standard. Even my straight partner used to binge watch this series(one episode per night) and rave with every night.

[@nneichan9353]

Tankhun, the flamboyant older brother was my favorite character.

[@risariesa2283]

the chemestry betweem Mile and Apo still amaze me Its the 1st time I feel the CP that made me 'its the real cp' ! Their gesture, their expressions even the aura when they together just incridible!

[@glendene45]

100% agree with everything you said.

[@valeriebarlow5773]

Thank you, thank you for this excellent analysis. You have given voice to my thoughts, hopes and feelings about a genre I have grown to love ❤️

[@Caiecaie]

100% agree! What an amazing journey the show was 💕

[@personunknown7129]

I'm not a Thai bl fan first of all, not that much of an bl fan in general. I have watched some bl or just very queer oriented western shows, and like the 2 1/2 kdramas that exist. However, kinnporsche was PHENOMENAL. I am painfully picky with things I love in cinema. I'm really a nerd. And to be fair, when I first started watching kp, I was a little confused. I watched like half of the first episode with one eye, got none of the jokes, then at one second got randomly skeptical and turned it off for a good 2 months. When I came back to it, I decided to force myself through the first episode, that's just what you gotta do sometimes, but then I started realizing after 10 minutes that that shut actually slaps. The jokes land perfectly, the acting is phenomenal. The cinematography is just through the roof (it almost feels a little Chinese, like in the mood for love or fallen angels). And then I was hooked. Three things stood out to me the most: 1) the humour. Often times nowadays, people praise media for being authentic but when you watch it its the most depressing stuff you've ever seen. That's not how people work. People joke to make others laugh, to loosen up a stiff situation, to cope. And that's exactly the jokes in kinnporsche. The jokes are absolutely phenomenal, they're so easy to grasp. I was a little worried to not understand the jokes because it's an entirely different culture, and that always takes time. But no. All the jokes were so based on instincts and timing, it was hilarious. And they sticked to it, too. They didn't rely on one or two jokes an episode. I literally fell of the couch laughing once. It's that hilarious and shameless. 2) authenticity. Every emotion, every story, you can read it off the expression. It almost makes you forget how bizarre the whole story is. I mean, mafia, bodyguard, suddenly a dead ex turns up, all that stuff. Every emotion is so raw, the script must've been written to perfection. When a character needs time, the series provides that time. When somebody is hesitant, they're actually hesitant. When they're happy and full of love, it's shown in all aspects, from all sides. It's unreal how good the timing is. Of course, chemistry has to do with it a lot. I was so mindblown to see that sex scene in the bathroom specifically, it was perfect. The lightning first of all, the location, the intense tension, and then the lessening of tension, and just fully accepting each other, to have the sex they both have been desperately longing for, from begin to finish, and afterwards. It was so authentic, it was just theatrical perfection. 3) the cinematography is ABSOLUTELY MINDBLOWING!! The way they use color theory, I've literally barely seen anything even close to that, even in the stuff that is celebrated for its colors. With every step every couple goes through, they get a new color palette. Kinn and porsche for example, they start off somewhere green, unnatural, dark. Almost everytime there's intimacy, there's pink or purple, but always in contrast with something completely unnatural. But once things clear up, they turn blue and white and beige, neutral colors. It's truly amazing. And just how it's shot in general. It's super interesting to look at. The editing was great. To be fair, I think they even showed Pete's and Vegas story perfectly. It's truly disgusting when you think about it. There shouldn't be like perfect bondage scenes. It's not what Pete wants, at least in the beginning. He literally develops Stockholm syndrome. It's actually disgusting and inhumane. Every cut and every movement was done consciously. It gives you an uneasy feeling. And that's what it's about. It's not romantic. Honestly, this series surpasses the 10/10 chart. And just a reminder, I'm not someone who's into bl. I'm just some random film nerd. And this series surpassed literally everything. This is way too long lmao.

[@ooreciwangwang]

The way you broke this down was amazing! Kinnporsche made me actually begin to like BL's. Edit: yeah i didnt enjoy vegas pete as much as everyone else did. I think their acting was great but passionate scenes werent the best

[@youmnambae7488]

You really said all i was thinking, especially for don't say no (that i love very much !!) the nc scene were very awkward at one point, i think they were good at building the tension but not for delevering it, and for KinnPorsche i agree with everything you say, it's crazy ! Are you studying cinema ? (sorry if my english is not good btw i'm trying my best but sometimes it's not really understandable ^^')

[@sandramilfort9261]

Loved Apo and Mile. They've become a real couple. As for Vegas and Pete maybe the lack of chemistry is because The actor " playing" Pete is not gay.

[@TStretch36]

Great video! Your breakdown is phenomenal!

[@abhasingh6865]

Yes the series was good but i must say that not everyone would want to watch serious series infact many love to watch simple light hearted series too. Standards are raised if the acting is commendable. Their acting was great that's why it was good so is other series like bad buddy, star and sky, cutie pie. These series may not be mafia series but actors acting was beyond expectations.

[@lawlola6044]

This is the best video that illustrates the supremacy of KinnPorsche.

[@docdeepwater3729]

Very well said! I agree with your comments.

[@itelshop683]

. every thing in Kinnporsche is real..for me loved Kinnpoorsche the series.. And then love Mile Apo ..👍🤩

[@minxvixen8935]

I so agree with all of this. I am desperate to see more just like this show... I do have a standard for BL's now.. I know they can be better, so I put more time into searching

[@yangardeners9530]

I am hoping for a season 2 but I don't know if they could make it just as good as the first due to the high standard plot and budget but you never know, the future awaits

[@ayakhatofile8415]

Omg you just gained a follower 😘

[@Nandie27]

KinnPorshe was my first BL and I've tried to watch other BLs but I just find them lacking and some of them childish. I don't think there's any other BL that'll ever top KinnPorshe.Mile and Apo's chemistry was out of this world, I felt like I was intruding on some of their intimate scenes. I hope I see them on another BL as a couple. ❤️

[@kingofdragons7]

Have you seen Cherry Magic?

[@chiwantstea]

Really struggling watching other BLs at the moment. KP has ruined me LOL.

[@ChugUgly]

It’s ruined all of us! 😂 I just can’t take other BL’s seriously. Especially Unforgotten Night or whatever it’s called.

[@kingofdragons7]

Have you seen Cherry Magic? It's the best BL i've ever watched

[@zainnee]

While I’m a huge fan of KinnPorsche and do agree the bar is high. You want to dispute many who claim it is due to budget. Let’s not use this as an excuse as why so many BL is subpar with poor chemistry and/or plot. Did we forget that while these are high school or university BLs. They were well scripted and had good chemistry despite low budget. Why R U?, Blueming and my favorite Semantic Error. Another BL I’ve just finished but is another of my favorite now is To My Star. What is inexcusable to me is Check Out and Unforgotten Nights. These are trash that can’t be salvage. How can a non-BL like Love Is Science be a better BL than an actual BL. While the bar might be high nowadays, let’s not make it about budget as many other KZbinrs and people in the comment section say it is.

[@dyanduffy7651]

Cutie pie is far worse than unforgotten night. The bullying into a relationship in cutie pies and forcing himself onto the other guy is toxic. In unforgotten night Kamol asked for consent 4 times in the same night. Kim uses his voice to tell Kamol to back up and he doesn't trust him. They communicate with each other.

[@zainnee]

@@dyanduffy7651if you take issue with your moral standards over a bad plot, poor storyline, terrible acting and lack of chemistry; just say so. I don’t like the moral police coming with your “consent” BS to justify your lack of taste. Bye.

[@dyanduffy7651]

@@zainnee love your opinion too 🤣🤣😁😁😁

[@minggun4474]

definitely agree with u. people who commented this series is good only because of high budget is definitely someone that can hate but too lazy to think any constrictive reasons to hate this series. for me it's completely ok to have a high budget. it's shows that they are very serious to make a series and not just to attract money from bl fans

[@evelynemadras1855]

Kinnporsche waouh trop bien j' ai adoré la série est pleine d émotions si sensuel romantique génial 😊

[@xzxzojkeymtzxzx7712]

blessing and a curse, now when i wanna watch BL i just have to rewatch the series

[@kaceym6975]

Great analysis!

[@kristinalee606]

Everything u said was right....im so agree 2gathoer that it was just exaggerated ✌🏻 Mile and apo just have an unexample chemistry 🤗🤧🥺💕

[@imissizzy8414]

I feel that you have been reading my mind.

[@skitzOfrienic]

Agree on all points! Thank you!

[@arpithahebbar7191]

It's true , about kissing scene there is no other series to compare with kinnporshe, it may be kinn& porch or vegus&pete they nailed it💓

[@greyangel9875]

The way whatever bad you say about together the series I just agree is so insane. Like a lot of people recommended me to watch that but I absolutely hated it.

[@greyangel9875]

Also the couple that really changed the game is VegasPete. #justsaying

[@greyangel9875]

For example they are for a fact the emotional aspect of the show. Kinnporsche just died after ep 6 chemistry was amazing between KP but story/chemistry wise Kinnporsche loses hard to VegasPete simply because after EP6 that fire of wanting more just turned into your typical main couple lovey-dovey until the end. As for VP the show slowed down until EP 10 where we finally got the beginning of VP arc something unique and powerful that was not filled with romance stereotypes.

[@crazysmall.artist]

@@greyangel9875 did you want them to be scarred or something???? it wasn't even typical either- but like, okay. VP is a toxic relationship and maybe that's why you feel that way. The whole point of the show is a Mafia boss falling for their bodyguard. And this is their version of their story. VP honestly, just so happens to be apart of it. And let's not forget KP's up and downs like the main point of it all: trust. They finally trusted eo after the 13th EP. At first, it was Kinn who was suspecting Porsche immediately, even after knowing that his father wanted him. It took that ONE SLAP for Kinn to come down to his senses and snap out of it. That's when he started trusting him. Porsche on the other hand, he still had a struggle with his trust, aka, when he ran off with Vegas even after countless times kinn told him to not mess with anyone in the minor family. It took him until they finally let loose in the pool, even after the words of his uncle to realize that he could trust Kinn after all. These elements are very important since trust is a huge main point in the show. Ever since Porsche came back to Kinn, that's when he finally realized that Kinn is the ONLY Mafia family member he can trust with his full heart. I've said my peace.

[@greyangel9875]

@@crazysmall.artist its as I said KP is the norm VP is the exception. KP is definitely not bad they took the main couple clichê and developed on that on the other hand VP brought new things/ topic to the table. Made a show about guns and romance more then just that.

[@yanijen9733]

@@crazysmall.artist bruh vegaspete is even the favorite couple of the authors aka Daemi and that says alot. No one is saying kp is bad but vegaspete is more interesting and exciting to watch. They have intense chemistry together

[@아무개-p2e]

I Love them so much 😍😍😍

[@msbebelle07]

Manner of death…what was also a good one

[@Tzipiii]

I'm sorry but Vegas and Pete's story was really odd to me, like come on there ain't no way that what was going on between them was love, like bfrf. idk what the writers tried to do but it was it for me. Love the actors though! they did amazing, it's just their storyline that was weird af

[@peterpaulino4736]

I so agree with your comments. If there is a second series, one hopes to see moral and emotional growth taking place within the characters. Otherwise, it merely becomes a soap opera with the characters repeating the same destructive patterns of behavior. Vegas has daddy issues that need to be addressed and also needs to deal with family resentments and his bipolar personality. Will he have the courage, with Pete's help, and his own considerable abilities and talents, to plan a future away from "the family business"? Some of the other characters need to come into clearer focus, Kinn's father's lies exposed, and the like. The thing about this series is that there was little of that coyness and silly "resisting but insisting" behavior that plagues too many BLs when it comes to love and sex. Kinn/Porsche know what they want and set out to get it. But hopefully, a second season , if there is one, will have much less graphic violence!!

[@agentofshield1]

Mile and Apo’s chemistry is out of this world ❤

[@eusouaju.]

MILEAPO ARE BIG ✨❤️

[@GANGOTREE100]

Bad Buddy and Kinnporsche have changed the BL standards and now when I am watching Vice Versa or Unforgettable Night it really feels irritating and I keep going back to rewatching Kinnporsche and Bad Buddy...

[@kingofdragons7]

Have you seen Cherry Magic?

[@GANGOTREE100]

@@kingofdragons7 yup. Cute show

[@Roughscrubbles]

Honestly it's just good acting and chemistry with a competent intimacy coordinator. The BL industry needs better acting coaches better workshops and hiring better intimacy coordinators.

[@sophiawilson8696]

Please i suggest you look at older series of BL Knock and Korn they were first and Kings of BL. They were first place BL couple. There others Semitic Error, Love Mechanics etc TharnType, etc

[@ChugUgly]

I’ve watched them all but they keep centring around students and it’s time to break the mould and find characters who exist outside of school. It’s been done SO many times. Too many IMO but Love Mechanics is good just not pushing for the mould to be broken, which is what we need for this genre IMO.

[@sophiawilson8696]

@@ChugUgly Good point!

[@honeydayia6414]

I am og a fan of MaxTul and they had good chemistry but their acting and the stories back then would not hold up to kinnporsche now. I believe that given a good story and team NOW, they could stand up there with Mile and Apo/ kinnporsche in terms of delivery. They were just a little too early in the genre. Now, tharn type is one of the tropes that need to die in bl

[@crazysmall.artist]

@@honeydayia6414 i agree!!!

[@sagajo7921]

Hi! Agree with you on VegasPete; they exhibited strong emotional connection but plz scrap the bdsm.

[@tosmaa]

Agree with everything said here!!

[@cdj588]

I came from the future, LITA PayuRain 😍 chimistry at a 10000 they are improving

[@Random-108]

I would disagree with you abt Vegas ( bible) . we should keep in mind that it was his first acting appearance and he did well and justified. With his character. And abt camera angle I know many ppl complain abt it on sm I think it was bcs of lack of screen time VP was given ,chopped and cut scenes which makes viewers unsatisfied. Pete also did well. And mile and apo this two really delivered v well. apo is an amazing actor no doubt he is some of the actor who can act just with his eyes . it was my first show of all of them I didnt knew any of them before this series. Mile I don't know how this cute guy play a mafia character but in reality he is so cute to me . I was waiting for this series since its announcement and this long wait was totally worth it. Waiting for s2 now and really want side characters will get good screen time too.

[@amuworld3948]

Kinnporsche is the best BL I have ever seen..I have watched a lot of them mostly the older ones..then I got bored because of the cringy plots and scenes

[@Arissaleesa]

couldn't agree more ❤❤❤

[@macroniinthepot7527]

Finally someone pointed out brightwin has no chemistry

[@sarafinabowen6133]

The best ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️

[@Emilia-em5cz]

For me, one of the best things about this series is how great the actors are and how great chemistry they all have. It's so natural and passionate. Compared to most other bl (no offense) but the actors eat them here. Especially Porsche and Vegas. To be honest, this is my first Thai series but I've seen a lot of other bl series and this is some other level. Jesus l want second season so bad but l hope this all shit with that author first will be solved and all actors came back

[@lucihernaga]

Okay, as someone who has only watched one BL before KinnPorche I need someone to explain this better to me pleaseee. I have nothing to compare it, so for me it was a really good show, but that’s it. Like, I liked it, I’d watch it again but I wouldn’t put it on a pedestal. I truly like it, but if you compare it to every single series out there it wouldn’t be on the top at all, but maybe if you compare it with others BL series, it would? I really wanna watch another BL but now I feel like I’m gonna be disappointed, was the bar that law?

[@whatever3440]

Watch more BLs and you'll see the difference. The thing with BLs, is that,,, that's the entire genre for them, whereas kinnporsche was about the mafia and action theme just as much as the romance. The BL industry very clearly had no faith in queer stories beyond the typical college romance with the budget of a string and this show was the first time they let a bl go beyond those expectations

[@BARROSORQUIDEA]

The bar became that high .... but there are very good BL´s out there. Have you seen "I told the sunset about you"? It´s a masterpiece too...

[@avuyilemabaleka]

KinnPorsche was my first BL and just like you I felt the same way but I watched manner of death and A tale of a thousand stars. Even tho they aren’t KinnPorsche, they do match up and I fairly enjoyed them.

[@lovelydiva06]

Kinnporsche and semantic error have definitely set the bar high when it comes to bl and that’s mainly cause of the lead actors and their chemistry cause you need great chemistry along with the acting to really sell it otherwise it’s just not gonna work, that’s why there’s very few bl I really love cause either the chemistry is bad the acting is bad or the story/plot is bad, idc how many kisses or steamy sex scenes there is if the actors chemistry is bad and it comes off forced and cringey, I can’t get into it, I can stomach a bad story/plot if the acting/chemistry is good and the kinnporsche cast was great especially mileapo and also jeffbarcode for me, I feel like they ooze natural chemistry like mileapo and even though we didn’t get much with them their still memorable cause they really sold it with everything they did but mileapo performance was so legit I felt like we were intruding on an actual couple making love, they were simply fantastic as kinnporsche and what makes me love series so much cause it’s not the best story/plot wise but the great acting/chemistry of the cast makes it work, as for vegaspete I feel they have good chemistry too but not on the same level as mileapo and jeffbarcode they didn’t have as much passion but the emotions they were really great at you felt the turmoil with those two overall it’s one of the best bl ever and I hope we get a season 2 to wrap up kinnporsche so the cast can go on to do other things they love but it’ll always remain in bl history as the best til something possibly dethrones it which I don’t see happening anytime soon

[@lawaanjaideelyon1890]

Bl writers write extreme and its different when they write the script.

[@sprinkles4375]

I so enjoyed your analysis. I agree with you! Kisses in 2gether took from an otherwise cute story and ruined it for me. Sotus kisses? Ugh! Better to leave them out! KinnPorsch excelled on many levels, best of which, to me, was superb acting by entire cast, but especially by Mile, Apo, Bible,and Build. Love scenes are meaningless to me without the story and delivery by actors.

[@Nani-0613]

Bad Buddy, Kinnporsche, LITA all raised the air and yes they have chemistry, they are comfortable it doesn't feel forced, the kisses are there, the eye contact, the intensity. Half of the gmmtv Bl they don't have good kisses The chemistry isn't always there or one actor carries the entire show Sotus Make it Right Lovesick 2gether Don't Say No Gen Y Love By chance Love,Victor Skam Norway (IsakEvan) (waterboyy had good kisses) Good examples of what we want and delivered are Kinnporsche The tuxedo Love in the air Bad buddy Not me Love in the air To my star Gameboys Between Us My beautiful man Semantic error History³ Trapped History³ MODC We best Love Cutie Pie kisses Y destiny ToruFurat Anything MaxTul Heartstopper Young royals Not all spicy scenes are good , not all kisses feel real

[@Aisha0138]

After watching kinnporsche i couldn't watching any other bls i get bored midway so i'm taking a break until i'm over kinnporsche 😓

[@bijjjjj]

I tried to watch love is in the air..but the shots is just too cringey, the acts is not that good so I stopped, can't waste my time watching things that I dislike

[@bluesuga424]

Waychaza kamnandi 👏

[@tgp9933]

REAL

[@skyazullopez6726]

This is a nice...

[@NatiNia1]

I liked this until you got to Vegas and Pete, the scene with multiple shots wasn't because they couldn't do it as actors if you watch interviews or behind the scenes they'll explain what happened and it was mostly the setting, and I also don't agree with getting rid of the comedy yes this is a Mafia but making it to serious would have lost allot of audience imo . I would not have liked it as much and also if you read the novel it also has comedy. I do agree with the need of other characters development but as someone who read the novel it's also not developed there so let's hope for season 2

[@K1290-c6p]

Sadly it was because the actors couldn’t do it. What do interviews and behind the scenes have to do with the process of post production? I hope that the actors look at their work and make the decision to do more workshops and be more comfortable so that in the next season or another show with the two of them, it can go well next time.

[@NatiNia1]

@@K1290-c6p how do you know the actors couldn't do it? Were you there or where did you get your information proving my information is wrong is yours is right? Because h clearly said he could do it. So I don't want to know where you found out the actors couldn't do it

[@summerghost2321]

The target group of GMMTV is college students. So if you don't like stories about college students. You should avoid watching series from GMMTV.

[@ladymay30]

You can raise your standart with a good budget and a good script. I agree the actors were not bad but I still could not love KinnPorsche. Mainly people love it for the spicy stuff which I don't care. My personal standart are BL's like Cherry Magic and We Best Love. They haven't the budget but they had the chemistry and a good script. Or BL's like Old Fashion Cupcake. The acting is the most important point beside the chemistry. I don't like Thai BL's at all exept I Told The Sunset About You and TharnType. So I don't get the hype about KinnPorsche I personally think it is overrated.

[@Nani-0613]

I agree with everything you said and yeah I want things to change and to break away from husband/wife top/bottom, Uni or HS series. I agree with ITSAY being better and IPYTM being not good You know that something's gonna be good when just from the trailer andfrom the trailer and some moments before the series even premieres everybody is already excited to watch it it's it's trending on every social media platform people are tuned in and threw out they enjoy it from beginning from episode one to the last episode we laugh we cried we felt angry we felt happy we felt all of the emotions that she was supposed to feel and we felt all of the actors give all the emotions that they were supposed to play the role get into the role and make you feel something and that's what I look for when I watch anything The entire cast of KP also have chemistry, they all get along and everyone aged a part in the series even the ones that died or were terrible characters but amazing in acting like Tawan, Vegas dad , Kinn dad etc... I agree um when it comes to BDSM in Asian dramas especially BL they are very vanilla like did they watch 50 shades of Grey because the same happend like it's not intense. Spanking, flogging, chains and whips aren't that intense

[@shekharchowdhary]

Thanks. I have not watched series. Maybe I should not.

[@mariejost9699]

I actually think Vegas and Pete stole the series away from Kinn and Porsche once their arc started. What was so compelling about the Vegas-Pete pairing was not the physical relationship, but the emotional one. Given the amount of pain (and for Vegas, self-hatred) that they had trapped inside of them, BDSM was, honestly, the perfect trope for expressing it, even if the depiction of that genre of lovemaking was suggested more that realistically depicted. The music and lighting of their love scene intentionally placed it outside the world of reality and gave it a dreamy and disembodied quality that suited their first love scene. On the face of it, they seemed like the most unlikely couple, until they began to reveal the pain and scars that they had locked deep inside and that they very much shared. Pain, but also trust and surrender, was the only way so much pain could be released. It might have been a lot for the audience to stomach if they had shown us a realistic BDSM love scene between Vegas and Pete. Instead, we ended up getting the most tender and caring love scene, and I found that surprising and shocking (in a good way, as it just came out of left field). The variety of different types of love, and it’s expression, was a strength of KinnPorsche. Kinn and Porsche are a very sensual couple who communicates primarily on the physical level. Kim and Porchay is the innocence of first love and what happens when it is betrayed. Vegas and Pete show a profound emotional connection that is so filled with pain and anguish that it has difficulty finding an adequate physical outlet. This, to me, is one of the beauties of KinnPorsche, the diversity of love relationships and how they come to be expressed.

[@ChugUgly]

I work in post production. That wasn’t their intention - it was poorly and awkwardly shot. A staggering amount of takes that no skilled editor would do if there was a single solid take. EP12 NC scene was an editor’s nightmare! Respectfully, it’s only fans blinded by stanning that can’t stand an objective viewpoint on it. If you objectively observed it, it would be easy to admit that Mile/Apo intimacy was unmatched but your preference is Bible/Build. Which is totally fine! I believe every fan will have their favorites. The issue I have with stanning is a lack of objectivity. Objectively, no feelings/prefence, no song and dance about “why this one outsold” they need to get rid of the BDSM and do more workshops to improve the realism of their “kisses”. It’s very GMMTV which again is FINE but KinnPorsche The Series is breaking the mould. I think it’s great VP have such solid fans but you should also want more from them if a S2 happens!

[@mileaposdaughter]

@@ChugUgly wow, you explained it so beautifully, which I agree very much

[@honeydayia6414]

we did not watch the same show. Kinn and porsche's r/ship and vegas and pete's r/ship happen to two very different pairs experiencing different things that in turn affect their romance differently. Thinking your preferecnce for vp bdsm trope makes kp any less compelling as a story is flabbergasting since if you take out kinn and porsche's story all you get is "unforgotten night". give credit where it is due. kinn and porsche's progress and character development would have carried this shows even without side couples, vegas and pete were so absolutely unnecessasry since i was emotionally satisfied with kp. no part of their "profound emotional connection" would make me give up the wholesome experience that was kinn and porsche and everything they went through for their happily ever after

[@lenasims3085]

Thank you for that statements. Unfortunately not everyone is mature enough to understand intimacy. It takes a lot of trust, committment & acting skills to show vulnerability and bear naked to the audience. MP has done that countless times. The stanns will write rebuttal after rebuttal for you to align with their opinions. They cannot accept that others may have different perspectives.

[@crazysmall.artist]

@@lenasims3085 actual facts, unfortunately....

[@HaiLuoYinBL]

There's so much that I love about this series, but Nu is one of the worst characters I've ever seen in a BL. Every second she is on camera ruins the episode for me. She's childish, selfish, foolish and extremely entitled. It would be great if she disappeared.

[@jenniepink227]

k but i am gon have to disagree wit u abt the 2gether kiss scene because that particular scene that u chose to 'prove your point' was the scene that showcased sarawat being drunk and drunkily kissing tine so of course tine was seen uncomfortable because that was the plot line for that particular scene as a whole, they have a lot more better kissing scenes than that lol

[@lenasims3085]

Girl, they had zero chemistry. I understand Bright is good looking but that's it. He was not committed at all to the story. The series is meh🐐.

[@dyanduffy7651]

The only reason 99% of the fans watched it was for the sex scenes and nothing else. You want BL that raise the bar of BL you need to watch triage, bad buddy, vice versa and unforgotten night. All of which do not have one shred of toxic BL industry behaviour.

[@echasabby6809]

im sorry that i have to disagree with you. yes kinnporsche may have explicit contents more than other series. but if i do want to watch sex scenes only, i actually dont have to watch the entire episode and being excited over the plot more than the sex scenes. like seriously tho, why do you have to watch the entire series if you are only after the sex scenes.

[@dyanduffy7651]

@@echasabby6809 it's because most people can't separate the actors from their characters. Most people wanted the pool sex scene, I preferred the action scenes and actual plot. Almost every episode has been edited down to the kissing and sex scenes, it's sad.

[@maitreyeehira8523]

Sorry but I have to disagree with you... this is a mature series ..two mature adult men one is a mafia and other is a dominant male are in love ..kisses and sex is very common if it only have toxic.drugs.death.fighting it would to so dark and monotone.. and ofcourse people are excited about pool scenes..why dont they??very few bl series have this extreme intimate moves with mature actors so we are excited to watch it.. whats wrong with that

[@crazysmall.artist]

i agree with all of you. Me personally, I don't care about NC scenes all that much. I mean it's human nature and should only be used if it's a good source material to any kind of plot. American films loves to add NC scenes rather than an actual story in order for it to sell. KP doesn't do that, and instead, they're showing how a realistic relationship starts and ends. I was also here for the violence, the death, emotional trauma and multiple back stories. But with this show, it gave me a different perspective on real intimacy; something that most Americans over here on television just don't seem to have. Their stories are more important than NC scenes. And although most people only watch the show bc of that, I'm sure this show also gave them a new perspective on life, proper acting, and a real realistic storyline with actual trust and chemistry to portray a well executed story.

[@minggun4474]

@@dyanduffy7651 I don't deny that kpts have more mature scene compare to other series which is completely ok and suit the mafia theme. but the plot, cinematography, chemistry and their act certainly surpass many series. I'm also not denying that kpts might have flaws in someways but compare to other bl series, kpts certainly is the best. if u say unforgotten night for example, sorry to say but the chemistry and the flow of the story for me it's not good enough. it's like sth is missing in the story