How Lethal Are Less Lethal Rounds ??? (Part 1)

[@KentuckyBallistics]

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[@marat1737]

Cool

[@PC-mc5qw]

I went on vacation to Kentucky and it’s really nice there, have you ever been to the corvette museum?

[@josetemali3]

Get on of the guys from BELL LIFE on youtube to take a less lethal round from like 50yrds

[@rare4926]

Awesome

[@MurderCrowAwdio]

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[@KentuckyBallistics]

I think we should do some more testing with these. Any ideas? I hope you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching!

[@marat1737]

Hi

[@wild_goose_0285]

Yes. Maybe you should use the salt rounds on ant hills.

[@aiden.t1776]

Have you made a video of you testing 50 BMG against sand bags? If not can you make one? I think that would be a cool video.

[@birdperson2540]

I'm so glad full torsos are gaining more popularity with y'all guntubers. I've been waitin for years and I'm excited to see more!

[@josetemali3]

Get one of the guys from BELL LIFE on youtube to take a less lethal round from like 50yrds

[@hard2hurt]

So... confirmed that a 10% power punch from Scott can crack a skull. Scott's fists are definitely NOT less lethal.

[@dimmadomegaming9131]

I was about to comment that, scott is very scary if you think about how he would be mad.

[@goldenhate6649]

@@dimmadomegaming9131 hes a big boi

[@marpat_prepper8954]

Looks like he's 100% healthy lol

[@olkris7369]

Those guns are rated e for everyone.

[@stevenschleigh1002]

put him in the slap competitions, and watch heads pop like matts ranch container did, lol

[@keith9022]

"The last round we're gonna use is a 12 gauge confetti round" *YIPEEE-*

[@pronounced.see1day]

🎉 YIPPEE-- 💥 _BWAAAA_

[@funnyfish1982]

yes

[@esperanzademayonicolas8137]

🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@StillmanSpinningSteel]

My favorite round

[@brokentoaster999]

Who else here cuz of the meme

[@kokokothechicken]

12:59 Yippie!

[@eskibal36]

YIPPPEEEE

[@nigelroberts4357]

Yipppeeee

[@rioku_noises]

Yippeeeee

[@reubentherblazer9756]

AAAAAHHHHH!!!!

[@ActionAdventureTwins]

my bro got shot by the herters rubber buckshot at about 10 yards. it left some wounds that looked like small paintball hits. the herters sound like like a tiny pop basically nothing compared to the rubber buckshots you were shooting though. i don't doubt these would at penetrate at close range. and the rubber slugs mean business for sure. we shot a fiocchi law enforcement rubber baton at a 55 gallon drum and it was very loud and left a massive dent. it could for sure be lethal

[@JeffTheKiller000]

Why did he get shot?

[@williamkowalchik572]

Who needs a reason?

[@DrHecubus]

@@JeffTheKiller000 Have you seen his brother?

[@Louzahsol]

Honestly they needed rubber batons on full auto for the BLM riots. Hose down the crowd with them

[@johnpollard4158]

@@JeffTheKiller000 beer and a $5 bet? 🤷‍♂️

[@A-G-F-]

Remember, balistic gel simulates flesh, not skin. If a projectile barely pierces the gel, in a real scenario, it probably just leaves a big hematome or pops the skin

[@Gieszkanne]

Also he cracked the skull from just slapping it. I think the dummy is more fragile all around.

[@A-G-F-]

@@Gieszkanne These skulls have thickness variations in the back and the top, while the front (nose and teeth area) are abnormaly thick

[@Cacowninja]

Isn't skin flesh? What's the ballistic gel simulating then? Muscle?

[@pxblothemexican5564]

@@Cacowninja Flesh is the soft part of a person's or animal's body between the bones and the skin.

[@pxblothemexican5564]

Didn't type that copy and pasted from Google

[@MillennialFarmer]

🤣 the random slaps to the zombie got me

[@RayneHerring]

welcome verified youtuber

[@towerofresonance4877]

You are almost at 1 million subscribers! Wow

[@nathanh5713]

He should have poked it and asked if he was ok?

[@Kak4_Hermano]

O,g

[@Gadsden-rn2wl]

Those tater smacks lol

[@Zelmel]

I feel like taking a few confetti rounds to a range (with permission from the owners of course) could be pretty funny, just to see others' reactions.

[@shitpost-o-matic7469]

That would be pretty funny

[@FranciumBoron]

Perfect birthday surprise.

[@918Mitchell]

Scott - "Most attackers would be wearing clothes" Florida Man - "Are you challenging me?"

[@reptiloidmitglied2930]

Everyone was thinking about Florida :D

[@FloridaMan0561]

Challenge accepted!

[@vviimmi]

Florida men have already been excluded from this generalization

[@plotholedetective4166]

@@vviimmi Florida man is excluded from all generalizations except those directly about said Florida man.

[@toddk1377]

The Florida man was a prime example of why less lethal is not what you want. That guy took several rounds of 9mm before he stopped and died. That's why I don't mess around with less lethal stuff, I want maximum power. #4 buck is as less lethal as I will go.

[@HoustonJones]

Interesting data here. It shall prove to be invaluable to me in the future…

[@seetheanimal5867]

Houston aka mr no pain

[@benjaminsmith7228]

You vs angry cops made my day dude

[@kennethbressler3451]

Scott: "I broke his skull" Houston: insufficient data

[@whatsupchris]

You gonna let Scott hit you in the chest with the rubber shots ?

[@therealpengo]

There are no horrible ideas, there are only horrible results!

[@jamescoley2866]

That salt and pepper round was brutal. In my youth a few of my friends and I were trespassing ( kids being dumb kids) we all caught rocksalt out of the farmers 12ga. It wasn't anything close to lethal.... but we all learned a valuable lesson

[@WillyK51]

That was in the day's, Depending where you live, pepering someone today will get you in a lot of trouble, I even loaded some black bean rounds(Had no coarse salt), Today I have my pump with 1 st birdshot and next 4 buckshot, No pepering, just for seriuos confrontations, for kids 911 and a call to their folks

[@WillyK51]

And I bet you the farmer new you and your Dad

[@D64S]

That shows the difference of cultures. In my country a farmer shooting a kid with actual deadly weapon would be imprisoned and beaten up by other inmates. Even in the past like 70's or 80's.

[@WillyK51]

@@D64S Care to explain where and which culture?

[@Super121391]

@@WillyK51 basically any other place than the us

[@bluefalcontransport6335]

12:52 I found it!

[@Night_Hound1942]

Yiipeee

[@1nfinit3]

YEEEIIIPEEE

[@Brant74]

YIPEEEE

[@Zapper-Zac]

YIIIPEEEEEE

[@michaeljohnson620]

I am retired law enforcement and I am curious how would the less lethal rounds act if your intruder had on a coat or leather. You have a very good channel 👍

[@alphagt62]

I had the same thought. I’ve got a motorcycle jacket that weighs a ton! I was thinking it may help deflect the smaller rubber projectiles.

[@Lost.aussie]

I got a thick dryduck jacket I got hit with a beanbag broke 2 ribs and sucked so much

[@Charles-A]

Hi, actually I can answer that. In my country, Colombia we have turkish made "trauma" guns and ammo and they pack quite a bit of a punch. Some sturdy materials like nylon belts or heavy leather will stop them or slow them down, but the ball will deform the material and leave a good dent, and if your clothing is close to your skin, do expect that to hurt a lot. With body armor though, yeah, completely useless. On shotgun ammo, some brands make rubber slugs or single/double ball projectile, and I saw a guy shoot one into a (dead) pig's head which completely penetrated the front skull and still had enough energy to embed itself into the brain, and another guy shot some at a car's door. They went through the outer metal and still had enough energy to leave a huge dent on the back

[@nsfw4832]

If you are retired law enforcement, then you should know that you wouldn't even want this. What happens when you run into someone all dosed out on stimulants? I've never been anything official, just a street kid, but I've seen enough to make me cringe. Like a friend who took a 25 acp in the ear which twisted at an angle due to the low velocity and weight of the projectile, and he spit that bullet out and was able to drive off. I heard of a story online that was verified by multiple vloggers of a man who was shot over 10 times when a cop pulled him over. He was shooting back the entire time and even lived to make it to the hospital where he died. The surgeon was heard in the ER area saying, "why did the cop have to shoot him so many times?" And the officer was right next to him In another bed with a bullet wound. Lol. I have an answer to that ER doctors question. Sometimes you need to. And if you need to, you want to make sure to use the right tools for the job. The cop now carries over 100 rounds on his belt from what the reporters said.

[@KimJongIl57]

@@nsfw4832 145 rounds, if it's the guy I'm thinking of. not very good with names but Donut Operator has a video on it

[@kevinfleming9919]

Would love to see you test some of the "exotic" 12 guage rounds like Flechette, Flash Thunder Grenade Ammo, Bolo, Piranha, Double Slug, Rhodesian Jungle, Armor Piercing Incendiary, the Bomber, Flashbang rounds, and for a kicker, get some of the "Bio Degradable Detonating Targets" from Gum Gully Provision! That should make for a fun time on the range!

[@tjb50cal]

fletchette is prohibited by the geneva convention, so that would be hard to test, as would alot of others mentioned, no doubt alot of it might be illegal, unless scott travelled to a war zone ...lol

[@crazycherokee8552]

I think it's been made very clear that Scott and exotic, hard to find ammo don't mix very well. However, I am very interested in seeing another channel try some of these exotic shells because after what Taofledermaus said about Scott after the RN-50 accident, I don't watch his channel anymore. He was really the only guntuber that displays incredible types of 20ga, 12ga, and 10ga shells either custom made by fans or simply designs lost to time, so it'd be nice to see some other creators showing some love to the weird side of shotgun ammo

[@jakesorensen104]

@@tjb50cal hollow points are banned by the geneva conventions but they are still available. All that the Geneva conventions do is ban them in warfare

[@XBDAX1]

Good Idea! I’d love to see those rounds tested on a ballistic dummy

[@XBDAX1]

@@crazycherokee8552 which video did Taofledermaus say that stuff in? Or what exactly did they say about it? I haven’t heard about it :o

[@rockbutcher]

When I was working in the Yukon, I carried a Winchester Defender against bears. I was told to load two slugs first into the mag, then all the rest 7 1/2s. The argument was that I would (and did) expend lots of rounds just making noise to frighten them off and that dust shot was way cheaper than slugs. The other argument was that if the bear actually did get danger close, the last one or two dust shots before you got into the slugs would act like a slug at close range. It would be interesting to see you try that one out on a ballistics zombie. Edit: The upside to carrying that loadout was that more often than not, we had a few partridge or ptarmigan for supper.

[@williamjeffersonclinton69]

Love my Winy 1300. Damn good shoty

[@andrewlawrence6357]

@rockbutcher 7 1/2 shot at close range is devastating i think thay demo ranch and several other channels did videos on it! If you have the choice use bigger # ammo but better then nothing in a pinch!

[@r.a.facklam4851]

It's amazing that some people would put such a cheap price on saving someone's life. I mean if you're carrying that gun for defense then carry it for defense, not to try and save money, that's what banks are for.

[@rockbutcher]

@@r.a.facklam4851 You missed the point about 7 1/2s working just as well as slugs at 8 feet.

[@r.a.facklam4851]

@@rockbutcher I'd much rather stop a charging bear at 20 or 30 ft with a slug then at 8 feet with birdshot.

[@Lattrodon]

That confetti round was absolutely brutal. I wouldn't fire one of those at my worst enemy. Surprised the government hasn't banned ammunition like that after seeing the brutality a round like that can cause.

[@fin_redi]

fr that's worse than a death sentence mind the fact that it is a death sentence

[@SerathDarklands]

I'd love to see you test dragon's breath shells on a ballistics dummy. I've seen them fired before, but never at an actual human analog.

[@SerathDarklands]

Thanks for the ♥!

[@old-rcplane-phart]

Ill 3rd THAT idea! 👍👋👋👋

[@jacksnexus2616]

As much as I fallow the idea and want to see it, aren't dragons breath like, outlawed or something

[@ZarkowsWorld]

Dragon's breath is garbage for self defense though, just a "fun" shell.

[@bradleyhollon6085]

Not going to swear to it but i think fps Russia used dragons breath on dummys

[@random.3665]

Interesting note on that bean bag round: Scott managed to hit one of the more dangerous areas to get hit with in regards to less lethal ammo. The bean bag hit the liver, at a part that isnt protected by the lower ribs. He is right that humans have skin, muscle and fat tissue over that spot normally, but that actually makes it worse in this scenario. The liver is very prone to rupturing from impacts (it can rupture even from a strong punch in that area), and since muscle and skin tissue absorb shock to a lesser extend than that rubbery ballistic gel, there is a very good chance that that bean bag - while not penetrating into it - would have ruptured the targets liver, which IS a lethal wound, and need surgery right away.

[@weekend_at_burnys]

interesting take. even though there may not be a significant drop in blood pressure, would the target still go septic?

[@TopHatPenguin]

@@weekend_at_burnys I dont think it would go setic in time because you would prob croak before it kicked in

[@weekend_at_burnys]

@@TopHatPenguin fair enough lol

[@old-rcplane-phart]

IF ur in MY house, u get whatever i get my hands on 1st! 12 gauge, 9mm, .40, .45acp.

[@michelguevara151]

luckily, this being a zombie, he won't need to go to the emergency room..

[@quadrupleheart]

I remember hearing about how rubber rounds for riot control and stuff are supposed to be fired at the ground and bounced up into people, it would be interesting to see if that works with these rounds that seem designed for direct aiming.

[@fairguinevere666]

Yep, especially with the 40mm grenade launcher rounds. Pepperballs are more centre of mass. But cops just love shooting everything at face height, apart from actual bullets which they do generally keep centre mass.

[@Sneakysneaky88]

@@fairguinevere666 Yep, especially if annoyed and know they can get away with it. My toes still curl thinking about the videos of individuals shot deliberately and directly in the face with whole CS gas cannisters. I get that in a crisis situation a cop has to prioritise neutralising an immediate threat to human life/safety, but it's just sad when LTL gets misused so regularly as a shortcut or even as a cheap thrill for cowboys that give LEOs a bad name.

[@traviscase447]

That is correct most are ment to be skip fired but some are meant for direct fire depends on distance projectile and platform

[@Bikonito]

@@Sneakysneaky88 they aim for the face on purpose, cops love maiming innocent civilians and getting away with it

[@Colonel_Bat_Guano]

@@Sneakysneaky88 fr, I saw it first hand. Sometimes swat just wants to use their toys and it puts everyone in danger for no reason

[@alnabulsi313]

Glad a well known firearms-based content creator shed light on just how lethal LLRs can be. I've seen a real humans head split open from a baton round, less lethal does NOT mean not dangerous. (Also I really love his humor, I was cackling as he peeled out with the triaged ballistics dummy 😂👏)

[@Nr15121]

People don’t seem to realize that less lethal can still and is absolutely lethal in the right circumstances hence less lethal not non lethal

[@alnabulsi313]

Very true! I remember the language around these types of munitions used to be much more casual, it's important for the public to remember/be reminded that these arent party toys.

[@dane1382]

yeah a lot of media portray them like airsoft, but they are still shot from a real gun at gun speeds. the only real difference is theyre way less dense andd less prone to shattering on impact.

[@clownworld4655]

Amazing how dumb people are. It’s literally called “less lethal” for a reason. There is no such thing as “non lethal”. Got tired of explaining what is common sense to people years ago

[@illansuu9572]

​@@Nr15121almost all less lethal rounds become very lethal if you hit the target in the eye

[@larrystokes8787]

I've been on a scene where a guy was hit with a bean bag round. He went down, but because he had a leather jacket on, the injury was pretty non-existent. The good thing was, he gave up, immediately after being hit with it. I have shot nuisance bears with them, and they do run off rather then have to use lethal rounds. They usually do not come back again.

[@KimJongIl57]

they don't usually do a ton of damage, but you wish you were dead if you get hit with one of them from what I've heard. that's gotta hurt like a wasp the size of a Saint Bernard

[@herrikudo]

Thats smart. No need to shoot the bears immediately if a beanbag will do the job

[@jacobbrooks2028]

Didn't a kid get killed by one of those a couple years ago? He got hit directly in the head and he dropped. Survived at first I think but died in the hospital due to brain damage

[@twistedyogert]

@@jacobbrooks2028 Well that's because he was hit in the head. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a skull fracture and internal bleeding.

[@mrquaackers]

@Fiendish Memory 🇺🇦 so quick to blame it on the cops. what if the kid was holding a gun?

[@ianrawlings2546]

I can't do without Scott's uploads on Thursdays. I had an especially bad day at work today, all 14 hours of it, but this video restored my mood. Bloody hillarious!

[@michelleobamagaming5937]

Can't believe how good these intros are getting. Keep it up Scott, we love to see it!

[@jakenichols2626]

Really!! They're gettin FUNNY

[@reubentherblazer9756]

14:23 That fart sound you made with your mouth is the best one I've ever seen a human do.

[@OFFICIAL_USABALL]

Im happy to watch videos about guns with Scott. Makes learning about guns better and interesting with him

[@ajbone5188]

who dat

[@andersn4931]

Scott is bald guy

[@yourbudmanicc8665]

This man is both an awesome actor and gunman. Truly one of a kind

[@gagsen1219]

You forgott the egg plant yeeter

[@kotastrophie]

Champ Kind

[@yourbudmanicc8665]

@@gagsen1219 Yeah screw eggplants

[@angryginger791]

He's pretty good at sticking his thumb in things too.

[@surfingonmars8979]

Are you referring to the ballistics dummy?

[@usmcnguyentrw]

I absolutely loved the confetti round. That would be a great way to psych a home invader out…followed up with a less/lethal round. Also, I recommend giant Googly eyes for the dummy next time! It’s great to see these less lethal analyzed. It basically shows what makes it less lethal versus…well, lethal. AND basically tells people “it’s less lethal, doesn’t mean it’s NOT going to hurt”

[@ccarts2567]

I fully endorse googly eyes!

[@francisschweitzer8431]

I THIRD BIG GOOGLY EYES

[@cardo718]

@@francisschweitzer8431 The dummy's name can be Barney Google.

[@martinphilips6091]

Googly eyes for the Zombie AND the intruder!

[@electrolytics]

No my friend. Never use a gun to psyche somebody out, especially with harmless rounds. The gun should be used for what it is intended to do. Anything less and you're putting yourself in harms way. The home invader has a gun. He sees your gun. Your first shot is confetti. Your second shot is less lethal? If you're brining guns into an equation use real ammo. Unless you want the words "confetti" written on your tombstone.

[@BoomerElite4u]

When we were deployed we had a soldier shoot an elderly man in the chest at point blank range, with a non lethal round. It stopped his heart / killed him. Turns out the man was a COLONEL in the Iraqi Army we were supposed to be training, and there was no reason to do this. This soldier was very problematic, and it cost a man his life, and they ended up moving him to another unit as punishment, which ironically got him promoted even faster. He died to a roadside bomb a couple of years later.

[@jamieklinder520]

That's fucking wild

[@judgeloopy2044]

Karma

[@cpi3267]

He had a reason tô shoot te Man?

[@vonathenbrod8498]

*shoots superior and kills him for no particular reason* *gets moved to different unit as “punishment”* *Still gets promoted in different unit*

[@AndTecks]

MURCA

[@h.a.9880]

Apparently, in the 50s less lethal shotgun rounds were just regular birdshot, fired at the ground at an angle to hit people in the shins. Given that, the new rubber rounds are insanely efficient. They do hurt and can injure a target (they are called *less* lethal for a reason), but overall, they are great if you just want to defend your property with a drasitcally reduced risk of killing someone.

[@ardynamberglow3124]

Ah yes, the 50s, where less lethel meant kneecapping someone. Good Times, Good times.

[@jaycrall69]

@@ardynamberglow3124 birdshot not buckshot

[@ardynamberglow3124]

@@jaycrall69 it's still the same thing, doesn't matter if it's buckshot or birdshot.

[@Briskrainbow0]

@@ardynamberglow3124 Not necessarily. Buckshot has thicker, heavier balls of lead than birdshot.

[@ardynamberglow3124]

@@Briskrainbow0 less lethal, as the name implies: is less lethal then if they were shot in the chest. Rather then being "he's fucked" it's more "I don't think he'll make it.

[@chriskola3822]

I've used those foam slugs on bears before and can confirm that they do work quite well. More for encouraging a bear to leave the area than a defensive round for sure. They bounce off a bear, no apparent harm done.

[@goldeneaglearbor614]

Just a thought. It's been a long time since you have done a pine board test. Might be pretty interesting to see some of the newly acquired calibers hit the pine board box.

[@PVT900]

You should do distance comparisons, possibly grab projectiles speeds ? See how the damage varies at distance and compare the speed of the LTL Projectiles. I know the boxes give a minimums distance in which these are considered less than lethal

[@TehTub]

As someone who grew up in the country, and as teenage boys are want to do, I trespassed on a few farms in my day and can say 12ga salt rounds hurt like nothing else. There is no amount of rinsing that gets that rock salt out of the wound, it burns for days and makes its impossible to even attempt to say it wasn't you when the farmer comes knocking.

[@Brandon-f98]

I’ve always been curious to see what different slug type rounds (700 Gr 500 mag, 1 1/4 ounce slugs etc) would do to a torso that has a ceramic plate protecting it as in organ damage or if things would rupture, would def be a cool video as I have not seen this concept anywhere else!

[@CapnDumbass]

That’s a good idea

[@nemoexnuqual3643]

In the Army we were taught that the minimum range for less lethal was 15 meters and the preferred target was the gut.

[@joshkiej6601]

yep, but minimum distance usually can't be maintained so you gotta do what you gotta do. We were also taught to try to hit indirectly, so shoot at the ground in front of them so it would bounce up and hit them in the legs with less energy

[@nemoexnuqual3643]

@@joshkiej6601 on the civy side I see no advantage to them. You don’t really have any extra legal defense from using them, especially if the guy still dies, but if they start shooting back all the sudden your at a great disadvantage

[@twistedyogert]

@@nemoexnuqual3643 It seems that less than lethal is more of a deterrent. I guess I'm just a coward because if I was hit with rubber buckshot or a beanbag I'd probably try to run away. Then again I wouldn't break into someone's house under normal circumstances.

[@feliped4608]

Well here in my country a 17yo kid was murdered by a riot police officer, a direct shot bean bag round in his nape at minus 10 meters. the most fucked up thing is he was the human rights instructor at the riot police academy...

[@joshkiej6601]

@@feliped4608 like i said, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

[@MTMILITIAMAN7.62]

I think more than anything, this demonstrated the limitations of ballistics gelatin as a testing medium. Consider that in calibration, a .177 caliber BB at about 440 fps will penetrate about 3 inches of ballistics gel. But as a man who grew up as a bored rural kid having BB gun wars, I can assure you, these BBs will not penetrate 3 inches into an actual human body.

[@SgtRudySmith31bRet]

I second this statement! I'd be dead if that were true.

[@mrblack5145]

Same. You can always tell where someone grew up when you tell them about those days- if it's a grin, they are just as guilty. If it's abject horror, they're city folk.. 😂

[@bubbaphett3261]

Me and my brother did that from time to time.

[@KeKsEfReSsEr200]

I mean...not a single person that has even the slightest idea of what they're talking about has ever claimed that ballistics gelatin is actually anything like real human skin and or flesh (or any other tissue for that matter). It is exclusively used as a baseline among all people testing the penetrative capabilities of different things. If everyone is testing with the same mixture ballistics gel, then those results can be compared. If some people are testing with gel, some with archery mats, others with plywood and some with human children, you couldn't possibly compare the results of these tests. Ballistics gelatin is not and never really was meant to resemble human tissue, it just somewhat coincidentally is similar-ish.

[@MTMILITIAMAN7.62]

@@KeKsEfReSsEr200 Yes, ballistics gel was intended to give a homogeneous, calibrated substance with roughly the same density and elasticity as swine muscle and fat tissue. This is important because scientific method demands only one control in an experiment, so that any change in results can be attributed to the control. If you have a variable density testing medium, such as a "meat target," you introduce another control, and can now no longer attribute any change in the results to the ammunition being tested because you can no longer say for certain whether the change was due to the ammunition or some variable in the testing medium. Ballistics gel does okay within its limitations, but it was never intended to give one-on-one direct comparisons to real life results. So for example, we can't say that "X" amount of penetration in gel equates to "X" penetration, or even "Y" penetration, in living tissue. Rather, the best we can do is say that bullets which penetrate within a certain range, like 12 to 18 inches, generally penetrate deep enough in tissue to reach vital organs without exiting the body with enough remaining velocity to cause life threatening trauma to anyone struck after the projectile exits the body. Gelatin will give scientifically valid results that can be repeated, and compared on a relative scale. So we can say a round that penetrates further into gel will probably penetrate more tissue as well, but we can't translate this into exact predictions, only generalizations. The reason for this is because living tissue is complex, variable density, and rarely the same. Muscle tissue, for example, becomes more dense among physically active, so shooting a 300 pound body builder is going to yield drastically different results from shooting a 300 pound couch potato.

[@buzzlightyer2948]

this man would watch a dude getting crushed with a femur breaker and go "that hurt a little bit"

[@williamstansbury2717]

First of all, the laws in some states make use of a firearm deadly force regardless of the type of ammo. It's been a few years since I was on a riot control team (which is what most of this type of ammo was originally designed for) but all ammo of this type had a minimum distance at which it could be considered less than lethal, closer was considered deadly force. I noticed at least on camera Scott never read the package for proper usage. The idea that such ammo is suitable for home defense is laughable since in just about all situations you would be inside the minimum range.

[@johntaranto29]

Well I think these are good from a moral standpoint and not as a legal defense. Should have lethal coverage, but absolutely don't shoot anyone without being justified with lethal force.

[@phosphor112]

I just don't wanna repair big holes in my wall. Lol.

[@pepperroni6252]

I'd say pretty much anything propelled by gunpowder that wouldn't burn up in the explosion is potentially lethal

[@Th3BlackLotus]

In NJ, we can't even shoot an intruder unless we have 0 ability to escape. If I'm in a room with a window, I'm expected, by law, to jump out the window before I shoot the person coming at me. Stupid law.

[@tristanmack5779]

@@Th3BlackLotus hmmm...sounds to me like the law you need to use instead then is the 3 S's law, "shoot, shovel, and shut up" 😂 it's the loophole law to all the BS laws stating you need a reason to blast someone invading on your property and risking your personal safety 😉

[@mattr3438]

A cop buddy told me the closest they are allowed to use the bean bag rounds is 20 feet because if you get closer that that, they aren't so less lethal anymore and can penetrate into the body.... looks like you prived that one right Scott.

[@JayMac]

It killed someone here in boston after the sox won the World Series on 04

[@russhowison132]

I absolutely loved the 'less lethal' test! I have seen pictures posted by people of wounds from rubber bullets. Kinda believe them now! Always love when ballistics gel zombie can make an appearance too! Too cool brother man! Keep rockin'!!

[@ForestX77]

I don’t know what Scott is complaining about. Scooter’s reaction to the spider was totally understandable and reasonable.

[@DrewishAF]

I can answer this question before the video starts. "Less lethal" ammo is more effective than a TASER but less effective than an M249. But you also need to remember that the "rubber bullets" are NOT made to shoot directly at someone. They're supposed to be skipped off the ground in most instances. But I still think the coolest "less lethal" weapons are the little Hornet's Nest rubber ball grenades. Chuck one of those little bastards through a door opening, get back behind the wall, and listen to the beautiful sounds of grown men crying for several minutes.

[@theetactician]

I liked this. I could definitely see a part 2 with some other calibers, maybe rodent ammo, or something more exotic like the ball and chain rounds, or dragons breath and flammable clothing.

[@loger_2floofyboogaloo278]

the dragons breath company made some waaayyy better stuff that taofledermaus did

[@Coolcoop2008]

You got your wish

[@loger_2floofyboogaloo278]

@@Coolcoop2008 right? he liostens lol

[@donvandenberg5301]

As someone who has been shot with rock salt, it doesn't just sting, it burns and continues burning for a long time after as your blood slowly dissolves the salt. Edit: Where that beanbag hit would have a good chance of being lethal. Could be wrong on the name, but would have likely hit the xyphoid process, (the little point of cartilage at the bottom of your breastbone). Doubt the dummy actually had one since it's just bone in there, and it could have caused that cartilage to break of and become shrapnel in the body.

[@thedisturbedone5026]

How did you get shot at with Rock salt?

[@semajniffirg230]

not to mention the bean bag hit the liver

[@SafetyLucas]

@@thedisturbedone5026 Yeah it's honestly kind of alarming to hear how many people have been shot with salt for something like trespassing. Like, I know it's not lethal but it still seems like an extreme response when yelling at the kids would have gotten them to leave just as well. Even if you're getting robbed. Although it's legal to shoot someone who's robbing you, you have to ask yourself whether some stuff is really worth more than a human life. I'm not saying there aren't situations where you should shoot someone, but it seems like so many people just want any excuse to shoot a person.

[@thedisturbedone5026]

@@SafetyLucas Lotta things boil down to lawful but awful.

[@deezboyeed6764]

@@SafetyLucas usa baby where shooting people because they accidently entered your land is the norm

[@colestock9980]

8:47 takes the phrase “rubbing salt into an open wound” to a whole ‘nother level 🤣🤣

[@damienhh288]

These slow-mo shots are genuinely impressive ! Thanks for your videos Scott, they keep getting better and better

[@dan.13]

I've always been curious about a round filled with broken glass!

[@simonodegard]

I feel like the detonation would just turn the glass to powder Pocket sand rounds :D

[@dan.13]

@@simonodegard, I have thought of that, too. But what a fun experiment!

[@simonodegard]

@@dan.13 oh absolutely The best kind of science experiment lol

[@bradleyhollon6085]

@@simonodegard pocket sand sh sh sha

[@potterportraits]

What about a compressed glass powder. Like the compressed copper dust

[@T_Humphries]

The slo mo was perfect for showing the trauma that goes along with the visible wound. Great job guys!

[@SheikhAmeen]

12:50 the confetti round. Came here for this.

[@peltiereric6497]

There’s a reason why there’s a disclaimer on the less lethal ammo and why cops skip the rubber slugs off the road in crowd control/ riots, all those rounds are entirely capable of doing substantial damage but compared to standard ammo it truly is less lethal

[@haunted5311]

Thank you Scott. Even when I'm chronically depressed, you still make me smile and laugh. You the man, keep it up :).

[@jeffconn722]

I always laugh at the "you just got jammed" guy. That gets me every time. And how about a shout out to Johnny Knoxville . He took a bean bag like a true champ.

[@cfltitan]

Yeah right to the stomach too! That bruise was insane a few days later. Looked like gang green.

[@simonofmonroe7793]

Absolutely love the after shot laughter, especially when examining the torso. I also had to admit I’m surprised it went through the shirt

[@johnhobbs.4007]

I think you should name him Cooper the zombie! Hes a good sport and no matter what you do to him he is always back for more friendly educational tests! Id love to see some tests with more exotic rounds on him! Maybe some dragons breath with a shirt on him? or flechette shells if possible? Maybe even a SLAP round? IN A CONTROLLED SAFE WAY OF COURSE!!! But its all up to you Scott you make it fun and interesting every video!

[@johnhobbs.4007]

@tvercetti1Oh I know, I think he just looks like he’d be named Cooper.

[@JoseOrtiz-zi1zb]

The “you just got jammed” gets me every time 😂 great content man🤣

[@kevw25]

I'm in impact munitions instructor school right now, the rubber pellets are good but what seems to have more ooph is the drag stabilized beanbag rounds.

[@rhesareeves5]

Nothing says "You don't belong here, please leave." better than rock salt shells.

[@notsoholycrusader3120]

I think salt and pepper rounds should be illegal it would hurt SO much

[@MistaOppritunity]

@@notsoholycrusader3120 I mean... I feel like making it less lethal but hurt like hell is a good way to get someone to stop. Although I feel like just making the first round be bird shot would be effective enough. no need to get fancy with it.

[@progearreviews7455]

We always thank Scott for his quality video content, all the while forgetting that his dad is the one that records it all. Thanks you old tank, for holding that camera steady and always keeping up with your son 🤙.

[@henrykelso7349]

2:48 Scott: “most attackers would probably be wearing clothes; some wouldn’t be…” Me: *has PTSD from doing retail security* “you have no idea…”

[@allinaday3526]

Seen some wild stuff eh?

[@henrykelso7349]

@@allinaday3526 oh yeah; it's amazing what people can be capable of when they're high

[@allinaday3526]

@@henrykelso7349 capable of anything but thinking logically.

[@MarkHahn]

The round i would dred the most would be the salt and pepper round! Could you imagine a chunk of rock salt buried under the skin? WOWUCH! and would sting for a LONG time. Love the less leathal series. Very cool!

[@chrisgabbert658]

And sneezing

[@kyledodson2992]

I met a guy who grew up in a farming area and as a kid he took some rock salt to the back of his leg because he and some other kids trespassed one too many times on someone’s property. Apparently you just have to sit and soak in a bath tub while it burns like hell

[@gwarrichmond6232]

We used to use salt shot rounds on c o l o r e d folk that used to steal 🍉 's & gas out of our tractors on my grandpa's farm back in the early 80's. Boy ol boy does it burn I hear !!!

[@matthewtracy8744]

I know first hand... you do not want to get hit with rock salt!

[@gwarrichmond6232]

@@matthewtracy8744 *NO SIR !!!!*

[@BennyBrown00]

12:50 I am deeply disappointed that there is no *yippieee*

[@Thatoneguy-ju6gq]

I have been shot with 9mm and I think that i could probably still keep fighting after the first few rounds of rubber that he showed (assuming only one or the other shot me and i only got shot once) but that slug would definitely stop just about anyone Also ballistic gel dosent simulate skin and airsoft pellets can penetrate ballistic gel so most of these would tear muscle and cause a lot of bruising and severe pain and not break skin, the slug would absolutely break skin and at close range a shot to the head can still be very fatal its still a gun Id recomend steel birdshot for home defense and a lead slug for property defense, both are fatal but id rather not risk an attacker being on drugs and just not noticing the rubber bullets

[@CyberGenesis1]

While advertised as such, i don't think i know ANYONE that uses these for home defense. You break in, you deserve an FMJ surprise. The sad part is they're primarily used by police for riot control, and "less" lethal simply -isn't- when a lot of these are intended to be aimed at the chest. Gut shots and, as shown, head shots with a bean bag/rubber slug can/will/do often end in fatal injury. As someone else pointed out, that bag to the liver likely would have caused internal bleeding/ruptured liver and without immediate medical attention/surgery - death. And before someone pulls the "then dont be in a riot" card - They've fired these off at cameramen and news crews as well. "less" doesn't mean non-lethal and you should still understand that you're pointing a whole lot of compacted kinetic energy at another human being.

[@Thatoneguy-ju6gq]

@GunGirl1997 id be afraid of buckshot going through walls (i have a small house) I also have an AR15 for multiple invaders if i need several shots in a short amount of time. Buckshot is fun though, I think it depends more on the situation what ammo or gun works best so obviously that means we need 2 of every gun, it’s clearly the only way to be prepared and not at all an excuse to buy more guns

[@Thatoneguy-ju6gq]

@Paul Martin true, I normally call them pellets because i talk funny so bb sometimes sounds more like it has an h at the end (same with bee, see and most others that have the same end sound) so i just got used to calling them pellets, most people know what I mean and I don’t sound stupid for saying it

[@domosrage5434]

@GunGirl1997 if you have a large home or big rooms, sure, but I like the idea of birdshot for smaller homes at minimal ranges. If you wanna see what birdshot does at extreme close quarters, garandthumb made a video on that and it may surprise you :)

[@barrybb5409]

Youre assuming the home invader wont be armed themselves. Birdshot wont penetrate far and at those extreme close ranges youre more at risk of having your shotgun grabbed or wrestled away.

[@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875]

I was surprised how soft the gel was. I don't think you would see penetration like that on a person but a broken rib is a possibility for sure. I have used fiocchi rubber baton and lightfield rubber slugs on bears and they work pretty good.

[@Damian-cilr2]

a shirt that was more thick would kinda simulate skin i guess

[@TooSketchyForYou]

9:50 that guy would have been like did you just shoot me with a squish ball?

[@TheRangaTanGaming]

I think you and Demo need to work together again for this idea: shotgun junk shells vs dummys. Coins, Lego, batteries, unloaded bullets, clay, play dough, hardtack- if it fits, it ships. It’ll be a nice homage to Matt’s past, and it’ll show what happens when you load random garbage into a shotgun

[@imemployed1524]

I miss Matt's old vids, Microwave Monday and shooting random objects out of a shotgun!

[@timmytimay602]

If you like interesting shotgun stuff TAOFLEDERMAUS is an awesome channel! KB and Demo doing anything is a great idea too!

[@TheRangaTanGaming]

@@timmytimay602 Tao have maintained the content over the years, yes, but I’d love to see Matt go back to his goofy roots and make content like this again, even if it’s just a single episode. Plus now they can use things like the ballistic dummies to test and see just how effective some of these homemade shells actually are.

[@trevorbrown1964]

I have an idea of a future video you could do with the zombie torso can you shoot the zombie torso with hunting rifles starting from 22 caliber to 50 caliber bmg please?

[@kenwheeler3637]

I have been curious for a long time about just what kind of effect these types of round would create. Looks like, for the most part, they would give plenty of incentive to an attacker to cease and desist in their actions without the probability of sending them to the morgue. Still, though, if choosing to use one of those I would want any follow up shots to be standard rounds for individuals who just can't take a hint.

[@laketravisswag]

Kat William’s “bird shot, then slug “

[@bloxybro1]

"12 gage confetti round" *YIPPEE*

[@EpicEvilMonster12]

In my neck of the woods I've heard many people use rock salt shells as the first shot or two just to make sure they don't unalive someone that didn't really need unaliving just needed some stained drawers and an elevated heart rate

[@DinnerForkTongue]

And maybe a lil' bit of a skin rash.

[@jacobkeltz3584]

Picking some rock salt out of your skin and changing your fruit of the looms would *probably* dissuade someone from doing something they'd regret..again

[@lemax6865]

Rock salt shells for dissuasion are basically as old as shotguns themselves. A tried and true formula to deter trespassers who didn't mean you any harm, but might have been up to stealing some crops or scaring your livestock, as I understand it.

[@theshowmaster3836]

9:20 I guess you could say the ballistic dummy is a seasoned veteran!

[@aceofspadesify]

If you continue this kind of video, I'd love to see what something like the aguilla 12 gauge mini shells, birdshot, do at 7-10 yards.

[@goobiusmaximus86]

8:56 “that looks like it woulda stung a little bit” nah i’m sure he’s fine, he’s a seasoned veteran after all

[@KenLuong86]

Actually back in 2004 research and study did show that a bean bag round was shot and hit a person on the head and ended up dying from the injuries. So yeah. That’s pretty lethal.

[@hedgeearthridge6807]

You definitely have to take into consideration that skin is insanely puncture resistant, more than we even realize. Ive read something before about skin being equivalent to 5 inches of ballistic gel in bullet tests, but don't repeat that because I can't remember the correct number or source. Next time you're grilling a Boston Butt or any other pork that comes with skin, do some experimentation on how difficult it is to puncture it with things, even a knife isn't as easy as you think.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Nope for sure. Skin is more like rubber than gelatin. Though in the beanbag's case that's a _bad_ thing. That first shot Scott took that hit our torso boy in the gut? Ruptured liver for damn sure.

[@blackhawks81H]

@@DinnerForkTongue Yeah but a liver shot punch from Bas Rutten can also rupture your liver. So I guess the question is, which would you rather have fired at you, the beanbag, or a large bald angry Dutchman?

[@briand9027]

10:16 when you ask scott for a little pep talk

[@Ratstalgic]

2:27 not everyone knows the secret tactics, but this man… he mastered them all

[@helium5912]

Remember these BALLISTIC GEL TORSO's are $3k dollars. They also have a full body one. I would love to see that here.

[@dr.yassergpvirusandepidemi6641]

*Yes we want more tests with these guys I enjoyed the video keep it up* 👍🏼😎

[@JimLBon]

Definitely exposes what the term ‘less lethal’ really means. As I understand most common US ‘lethal force’ doctrine there would be no difference in court between using these rounds and actual buck/slugs/etc.

[@yepyepfool4711]

You do have to remember ballistic gels are better for actual rounds and blades but don’t completely replicate an actual human body, you can see this when he lightly punches the head and it fractures it’s skull. Shirtless people have been shot with beanbags and rubber bullets. They’ll have broken ribs or bad cuts no doubt but not a sucking chest beanbag wounds lmao

[@clownworld4655]

Lol no. By your logic any physical force whatsoever would legally be called “lethal” because just shoving someone on the ground can be lethal. “Lethal force is a force or action which a reasonable person would consider likely to cause death or serious bodily harm”. Shooting someone ANYWHERE on the body with live ammunition is deemed as lethal force in any jurisdiction (for all the mouth breathers out there that think kneecapping people is a great idea), punching someone in the face is not considered lethal force, things like hitting someone with a bat are in the grey area. To the head? Definitely lethal. To the arm? Potentially meets the definition of lethal force depending on the court considering you can break their arm which would make it “serious bodily harm”. Less lethal ammunition can fall into this same grey area depending on the circumstances

[@carbon_no6]

That slow-mo camera is very cool! Seeing the slow motion shots really do paint a good picture.

[@jayturcotte1999]

Very interesting. I'd like to see a lot of confetti rounds shot from a fully auto gun. I don't know if it's possible, but I think it would be funny.

[@BeezyKing99]

I don't think that would work so reliably, due to lack of gas expansion from burning gunpowder (not enough oomph to cycle)

[@jerrytaylor4078]

Interesting and humorous video that informs about the power/effects of less lethal. Very glad to see you are doing well, BZ, keep up the good work.

[@PolenarTactical]

Ouch

[@Corvus__]

8:42 That's one way to season your meal!

[@LegoTechnicsRule]

2:28 Will Smith is that you?

[@fallenknightofthelight3842]

My step father when i'm back after school 13:22

[@doughesson]

I'll let someone else use the "less than lethal"exotic rounds for self defense & see what the DA in their jurisdiction has to say about it. A viable alternative to buckshot & rounds marketed to the police would be to use #5 turkey rounds. I defy the most hoplophobic DA to claim that using a hunting round in self defense is tatamount to being a wannabe cop.

[@LackingAGoodName28]

12:49 Confetti round meme, yipee!

[@oscarurquhart-dixon1999]

Just saw the salt and pepper cartridge and though ‘’he got peppered there. That’s salty.”

[@friskyfloof3505]

I may be Canadian and not know much about guns, but these videos always brighten my day and help me learn things about firearms that I wouldn't learn anywhere else. Thanks for the great content Kentucky ballistics keep up the great work 👍👍

[@IntelligenceNetworkCanadaINC]

Remember there are many guns we can own, and many can be carried and used at national parks.

[@Josh47147]

Consider saving up and getting you a gun. A Mossberg Maverick 88 costs roughly $225 U.S. dollars, which isn't much for a decent gun with all around general purpose.

[@thatontariofarmer]

There's nearly 3 million gun owners in Canada. Gun culture is strong here In Canada. The state run media just wants to talk about the criminals with guns though. Get yourself a Winchester defender and order some of those extended range rubber slugs from Cabela's . You won't be disappointed, trust me lol

[@captain687]

Same here.

[@claytonnewman2265]

@@thatontariofarmer Well actually you could be charged with murder for defending yourself so I mean you know maybe not

[@RayEvangelista70]

I think "less lethal" is a great way to end up with a massive lawsuit on your hands. Great video.

[@dudeistpriest787]

As messed up as it sounds, legally you're better off using lethal force on somebody that breaks into your house or tries to rob you. That really shouldn't be true, but there's enough cases out there that prove it is.

[@krispypepper1898]

@@dudeistpriest787 I feel like you should use birdshot though

[@dudeistpriest787]

@@krispypepper1898 Why's that?

[@davidjones341]

@@dudeistpriest787 To put it short if they live they can sue for assault and other bs they can't sue or take you to court if their 6ft under.

[@waitwha9734]

@@dudeistpriest787 self defense?

[@brick5605]

12:51 *boom* YIPPEE

[@SuperKaamio]

You also need to remember that human skin is actually much more resilient than that ballistic gelatin. Probably none of those non-lethal-projectiles could not not break the skin. It would hurt like hell but wouldn't penetrate.

[@mattrunnebohm5390]

I’ve seen one of my colleagues have to dig a beanbag out of the face of someone who was shot with it. It hit him in the cheek and tunneled under the skin some. They definitely can break through human skin.

[@justamicrowave2572]

Even so, skin is relatively elastic, so rounds that don’t break the skin can still break bones and potentially puncture organs.

[@psycosanches589]

I get a feeling the salt/pepper round is meant to act more like a pepper ball and it’s meant to sting and irritate the eyes rather than just hit them with a chunk of salt. If I were to run these, I’d probably have the first 1 or 2 be the salt/pepper rounds, followed by rubber shot, with 1 or 2 of those double balls at the end just in case

[@berjerk3425]

@Nathaniel Shrock Farmers in france also used to do this with coarse salt.

[@damiensurnameless4586]

Two shells of salt/pepper, one of beanbag, two buckshot, two slugs, and if you're empty and the target is still coming at you, you have much bigger problems, because chances are you're fighting Wolverine.

[@crazycherokee8552]

9:03 *"his shirt kinda got peppered there"* 😐 Well you did kinda shoot him with *peppercorn* so I'd imagine he's well seasoned right about now 😂

[@Cat-dy8ne]

12:59 YIPPIEEEE

[@Cat-dy8ne]

Imagine that one meme where the German boy says yippie

[@timblack131]

Hilarious! All of this was absolutely hilarious! Scott is king of opening skits, I'm not even kidding. Scooter has to be tied with the T Rex as my favorite KB character, awesome video Scott! As always, shout out to Scott Sr for being the best camera dude in the game!

[@jerryhammack1318]

In the military we were taught to aim for the legs with the less than lethal loadings! Because of the danger of severe injury with these loadings!

[@guywiththebottle]

That last shot really makes you think.

[@Tau_19]

4:55 sponsorship skipped

[@ParkerLaCore-rh1yt]

12:58 add the yippee sound effect and there you have a meme