How long can we drive for? HGV Driving Hours Explained.

[@AshleyHaleUK]

Now there is mistake in this video can you spot it?

[@jonathancrawford7106]

Confusing driving time and work/drive tome.

[@ItsRyan.]

Is it with the reduced rest times? said 13 hours plus a 9 hour rest for a 24 hour period but that equals 22 hours? (Sorry if not, still learning and getting my head around it myself)

[@AshleyHaleUK]

As long as you have your breaks when you need them, they are interchangeable.

[@AshleyHaleUK]

If you have a 9 hour rwst after a 13 hour day you would 'lose' one of your 15 hour days because you have used one of you reduced rest.

[@truth3358]

There’s loads because if you work using a Transics computer you can do a lot more It’s because in the uk all they know is 6 and 5

[@Ciaran_04]

This was incredibly helpful. I have my class 2 theory test tomorrow and the rest periods have been confusing the life out of me. The theory training I've been doing has been doing a useless job of explaining it, but thanks to this video I now fully understand it! Thank you!

[@AshleyHaleUK]

@@Ciaran_04 You're welcome

[@Kynapple]

Thank you for explaining everything mate my confusion was always the working 15 hours and taking a reduced rest period for it. But makes alot more sense when putting it in a 24 hour period.

[@DilipKeshwala-f4h]

Thank you for the information

[@AshleyHaleUK]

No worries!

[@livingwiththis164]

It definitely takes some getting used. Its like they have rules, but for every rule theres an exception. Youre only allowed to drive 9hrs a day, but you can do 10. Daily rest should be 11hrs, but can be 9. Ik, theres min/max, but just make it one rule if youre gona make it so strict.ive done local, mon-fri, so it was pretty easy, textbook, but now,next week, im going long distance for the first time, and it just feels so much more complicated, all of a sudden its become so heavy.

[@PiotrstrashcanŚmietnikPiotra]

Very well explained! There is still just one bit that I am missing. So how exactly do you extend driving to 10h? You take your 45 minutes before 4,5 hours of driving, driving time resets, then before another 4,5 hours of driving you need to take another brake (how long?) and then the tacho will allow you to drive one more hour? Never experienced this as I rather do local runs with driving rarely going over 4 hours.

[@AshleyHaleUK]

@@PiotrstrashcanŚmietnikPiotra if you reset you drive time at 8 hours you would have to hours left if you were doing a 10 hours driving day, you wouldn't need to have a break at 9 hours to reset your time again for the extra hour. If you reset you time at 9 hours you would need to have 45min break if you haven't already had a 15 min to only need a 30min break. That makes sense?

[@TheRockgod23]

One thing I will say (which confuses a lot of drivers and isn't mentioned in this video) is there is a difference between what you can work/drive in a 'fixed week' (Monday - Sunday) and what you can work/drive between 'weekly rest periods', especially if your weekly rest period (minimum 45 hours) isn't a typical Saturday/Sunday but could be a Weds/Thurs (eg supermarkets, which you did mention).

[@robertt8862]

Regarding the wtd 6 hrs 30 min; 9 hrs 45 min: as I understood it we get until no more than 9 hrs to get the 30 min break in - either 15 x2 or a straight 30 (and then anything over 9 hrs must amount to 45 min) - Eventhough the tacho will flash 'take break' after 6 hrs if only 15 min break taken - I always thought that was the case? Been driving a few years now but just when things go tits up this comes up

[@andybirchenall1113]

Just do whatever hours you want,what could possibly go wrong?

[@daviddodds4550]

Cheers mate very helpful

[@AshleyHaleUK]

No problem 👍

[@David-d8l3w]

I thought you could reduce the weekly rest from 45hours to 24hrs - every other week - where you used to have to pay back the difference BUT not any more - No pay back time

[@edsuffield2270]

WTD breaks - Up to 6 hours, a minimum of 15 minutes break is required. You said 30 minutes. 30 minutes is required if you're working a shift between 6 and 9 hours. 45 minutes in total if working over 9 hours.

[@AshleyHaleUK]

That's the mistake! Read the wrong number when I was looking at my notes!

[@dventure..]

I started well understanding it, but then ??? 😣

[@lewys9204]

Ive been driving for 2 years and still need to triple check this crap after ive been off for 2 weeks 😂

[@cloggsy1971]

Not confusing at all 😳😬

[@shleemcollector3988]

Does the employer give you a general time frame to work with regarding brakes and rest periods, or is all left up to you to figure out on your own?

[@AshleyHaleUK]

You just figure it out on your own, depending on what work they have given you, traffic etc that why is not fixed times

[@JaCk0oO]

Let’s say you drive for 3hours and do other work for 1 hour then have a 45 minute break. Then you drive for another 3 hours and do other work for 3hours which is 6hours in total. Do you need to have another break after 6 hours even though you have already had 45 minute break?

[@AshleyHaleUK]

Depends if you are going to be working after that 2nd period. If you are then you would need a 15min break. If your going to drive then you need to factor in you only have an hour and an half driving remaining so you may want to take a break of 45min to reset your driving time which would also reset your working time as well. Hopefully that makes sense.

[@dhenbhoy]

Depends on whether your shift is finished or not. If not, yes you must have a 15 minute break. You cannot exceed any 6hr period (WTD) without at least 15 min break.

[@dhenbhoy]

Far better explanation - kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3S6m55nn5ugfpY

[@ryanstubbs_]

I’ve been driving for about 3 years now but have always done day work. This coming Tuesday I’m doing my first night out. I’m starting my yard in Rochford (Essex) at 3am and am delivering piling cages to Darlington. Am I right in saying I would then need to be parked up somewhere for the night at 6pm at the latest?

[@AshleyHaleUK]

If your card goes in at 3am to donyou daily checks etc then by 6pm you need to be parked up having done all you required work duties ,paperwork etc. If you are parking somewhere that you need to pay for parking then you need to have done that too.

[@ryanstubbs_]

@@AshleyHaleUK great, thanks!

[@nerdydrew6818]

I had a theory test question saying you needed to take "at least 45 mins" after 4.5 hours. one of the wrong answers was "at least 10 mins", so how does the split break work?

[@AshleyHaleUK]

@@nerdydrew6818 your driving break can be split in to 15min and 30min. Must be that way round. Your daily break can be 11 hours or reduced to 9 hours 3 X a week. If you have a break during the day of 3 hours in one go you can do a 9 hour rest but that wouldn't count as one of your 3 reduced rests. That makes sense I hope.

[@nerdydrew6818]

@@AshleyHaleUK so after 4.5 continuous driving you have to do the full 45? but if you drive 2.5 you can do 10mins, then 2hrs drive 30min break.

[@AshleyHaleUK]

@@nerdydrew6818 no 10min breaks won't count has to be a minimum of 15min then 30min if you do it like that. They put answers like that in there to confuse you.

[@nerdydrew6818]

@@AshleyHaleUK Thanks 🙏

[@craig6090]

This is important to know, it is not AFTER 4.5 hours, it is WITHIN. Do not let your driving time hit zero

[@ap0lll0]

What if you need the toilet a few times a shift?

[@AshleyHaleUK]

@@ap0lll0 then you go to the toilet 🤔

[@billywilz8753]

😂😂😂

[@1962starchild]

I THINK DRIVING ACROSS THE USA WOULD BE A GREAT JOB .

[@AshleyHaleUK]

I think it would take a while, I wonder how long?

[@olives1480]

Is the tachograph difficult to use?

[@AshleyHaleUK]

It's easy. You put you card in when you start your shift. And press one button to change it to break or other worth throughout the day and then one button to eject it at the end of the day.

[@olives1480]

@@AshleyHaleUK thanks! Sounds easy enough.

[@mk-zu6bw]

From Monday to Wednesday I can work 15 hours then Tuesday and Friday I can work 13 hours I'm new to hgv I can't understand it how does it works out

[@AshleyHaleUK]

@@mk-zu6bw 3 x 15hr days per week 3 x 13hr days for the rest of the week if you work 6 days. 2x 13hr days id you only work 5 days per week. As soon as you do more than 13hrs in the day that counts as a 15hr day, meaning of you work for 13hr01min you have used one your 15 hour days.

[@BenWard-co2vf]

So with the max 60 hours you can work am I right in saying I'm already on 51 hours and got one more shift to do which will be about 12 hours but I haven't deducted my breaks from the 51 hours work is this the correct way to work out how many hours you've done

[@AshleyHaleUK]

Yeah the 60 hours in a week doesbt include breaks and POA. So if you done 51 hours this week by Thursday, take off your breaks and that's your total working time out of the 60 hours. Remember its an average over the 26 week's so you'll do less some weeks and maybe have a holiday which will bring it down over the period.

[@BenWard-co2vf]

​@AshleyHaleUK thank you

[@markycolt1]

Thought it was 15 rest minutes between 0-6 hrs working time

[@dhenbhoy]

If your shift is only going to last 9hrs then you require additional breaks to reach a total of 45 mins which can taken as two 15 mins one of which must be before 12 hrs are exceeded and another before your shift ends. (or you can take a 30 min before you exceeded 12hrs) ... If your shift is less than 12 hrs the additional 30 mins can be be taken any time before the end of the shift. Sounds complicated, it really isn't. Edit. Note you cannot end your shift with a break period.

[@dhenbhoy]

This is a far better explanation... kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3S6m55nn5ugfpY

[@-PaulT-]

Clear as mud...

[@AshleyHaleUK]

Makes more sense when your actually doing it every day.

[@jiinx72]

So how are some hgv drivers claiming they are driving 70-hour weeks??

[@AshleyHaleUK]

Working 70 hours weeks for sure. 3 x 15 hour days and 3 x 13 hours days. That means they could work 84 hours in a week. Still only driving for a maximum of 56 hours driving in a week. That 84 hours would include time spent on break during the day

[@philgibbons7108]

Some companies also opt out of the 60 hour rule 👍

[@xj358]

​​​@@philgibbons7108There is no allowable opt out for HGV drivers so any company that hands out an opt out form for you to sign, is committing an offence. "It is not possible for mobile workers to opt out of the 48-hour working week. The reference period for the average 48-hour working week, however, may be extended from 17 to 26 weeks by a collective or workforce agreement". Therefore, even if you do only a few weeks above 48 hours, it soon starts to become very difficult to average it out to 48 hours even over 26 weeks without cutting a few weeks to well under 48 hours. So clearly, most employers in the transport industry are systematically breaching the working time directive.

[@yan24to]

That sounds fun(not)It's a dogs life.​@@AshleyHaleUK

[@sliderdriver1]

It gets even more complicated if there's 2 drivers as technically the truck can be in use for 30 hours without showing it stopped for a daily rest? Very confusing! ​@@AshleyHaleUK

[@gwandao]

Interesting how new drivers or those with limited experience become fonts of all knowledge and want to set up You tube channels to advise the rest of us. When did you get your class 1.

[@AshleyHaleUK]

Interesting how people feel the need to comment things like this. It's often the people who have passed their test the most recent who are best equipped to give the new informatiion to pass a test, as they have just learnt it and it's fresh in their mind. The people who have been doing the job for 40+ years like my dad, uncle, both grandfathers, next door neighbour growing up to name but a few are the people who I get advice from on how I do something and hint and tips that I get and use this KZbin platform to pass them on to people who aren't lucky enough to have that support network. I'm guessing your someone who has done the job for a long time, done more miles backwards, drove a Eaton twin Box and roped and sheeted back in the good old days when truckers were real men, so set up a KZbin channel and give your knowledge to the world so us fresh drivers can learn how the job 'should' be done.

[@sliderdriver1]

​Well said mate! I'm 34 years in the recovery industry and tacho is hardly ever used within the 100km radius rule. Even the cpc instructors have either zero or low knowledge and won't discus the rules as there's so many confusing ones. The fact they talk about vehicle type and is it classed as a locomotive etc! I understand the need to have the user knowledge for tacho but when you've only exceeded the 100km radius twice in 7 years you simply forget what you need to know and the to be fair, the cpc courses go in 1 ear and it's lost out of the other by day 2!@@AshleyHaleUK

[@markyg1964]

Confusing as , no wonder there is a driver shortage

[@AshleyHaleUK]

@@markyg1964 makes more sense when you're actually doing it each day.

[@cliffboulton8763]

@@AshleyHaleUK Does it F - - k make more sense!!. What other job has such ridiculously complicated rules? Your Transport manager (or similar position) Sits in his cosy office, gets a Coffee when he fancies it and doesn't HAVE to stop when a little machine tells him. 40 years driving, only on rigids, but it just got too bloody silly for me. Glad when I reached retirement age.

[@dhenbhoy]

You're easily confused.

[@Fiery-venom99]

I'm still struggling with this and been in the job 6 weeks. It seems stupid to have the 2 sets of rules

[@AshleyHaleUK]

It takes a while. All I ever worry about is my driving time and as long as I'm not waiting on site for ages or loading and unloading for a long time the WTD has never been an issues.

[@Fiery-venom99]

@@AshleyHaleUK I think I get it apart from how they cross. I totally get after 4.5hr driving have a 45min break or split it 15/30. My understanding of the WTD is if I do, say 3hrs of driving during a 6hr period and the other 3hrs is other work (loading/unloading), etc. Then I must have a break of 30min after 6hrs. But once I do another 1.5hrs of driving I need to have another 30min??

[@AshleyHaleUK]

The breaks can reset you working time and driving time. So if you drove for 3 hours did 2hr 45min of other work and had a 15min break. You would have 'reset' your working time. You'd then have 1.5hr of driving before you needed a 30min break. Once you've taken that 30min you have then covered yourself for up to 9 hours WTD from the start of your shift because your had a 15 and a 30min AND reset your drive time for another 4.5 hrs. It's then another break to cover it for 12 hours working but youd again probably reset it with your required driving breaks.

[@AshleyHaleUK]

It is very complicated because they added these rules on, the WTD rules are the same if you work in a shop or an office. It's just the fact that we also have the driving time breaks aswell, but one break does both.

[@Fiery-venom99]

@@AshleyHaleUK 🤯

[@sonofearth2046]

Hi . Thanks for your videos . I’ve got a question about if I work 12-13 hours two times a week and total driving 9 hours how much breaks should I have or take for 12 or 13 hours driving and other jobs. Thank you

[@AshleyHaleUK]

If you have done 9 hours driving realistically you would have done 45min for the first 4.5hrs and then the next 4.5 hours I would have a 15min break before reaching the total of 9 and then I'm covered working time up to the 12 hours. It's all more complicated than it needs to be.

[@sonofearth2046]

@@AshleyHaleUK thanks a lot 👍

[@ryanyoung7170]

WTD is 15 mins in 6 hours not 30 mins

[@AshleyHaleUK]

Spot On!

[@Bigmankeywarrior]

! WTD 0-6 hours 15 min break ! (if u haven’t driven 4 hours and 29mins already) ! WTD + driving (6-9hours into shift) 30min break ! ( again if u still haven’t covered 4hours 29min driving time) Now WTD AND DRIVING breaks have been covered 2 in 1 After 12 hours 15min break again It’s very confusing to explain but as your said once doing this on day to day basics it’s quite simple it’s not the same with everyone. It’s depends on the nature of the job aswell the way I explained is my own personal way to do it as it fits with my work as my role requires less driving and more work everyone will have different experiences and I hope everyone find their own way to !

[@H8XME]

What a load of EU Red tape 😵‍💫😡

[@mikebarrett1004]

Blah blah blah. Yes totally true and good info. But what a load of %-++=/ ………..why have no governments( they hate truck drivers) allow truck drivers to do a maximum 12 hour day full stop! Then take 8 hours off. Then start a fresh day. 5 days a week. Not rocket science really is it 🎉

[@AshleyHaleUK]

@@mikebarrett1004 there is definitely a more simple way to do it

[@yif217]

This country just full of regulations and restrictions for the sake of it and becomes counter productive at a certain point

[@billywilz8753]

hey crew...i can work for 16 hrs non-stop.... secure me a driving job @AshleyHaleUK

[@andybirchenall1113]

So a driver does 12 hr shift n takes 8 hours off does that mean 4 hrs of poa 😂