How Luke learned the TRUTH of ORDER 66 and PADME'S DEATH | Star Wars Legend Lore

We look at how Luke learned the identity of his mother, the truth of his parents relationship, and how Order 66 and the Great Jedi Purge actually occurred. All that and more on today's Star Wars Legends Lore video, which dives into the Dark Nest Trilogy!
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[@EckhartsLadder]

www.twitch.tv/eckhartsladder Who stopped in for last night's awesome twitch stream? If you missed it, make sure to follow! Also lots of fun clips on the page

[@ZenMnre]

Great stream last night

[@chrishill8292]

Always fun to tune in!

[@corydorton2660]

I was their

[@corydorton2660]

Interesting video and definitely show that R2D2 had personality

[@thorshammer7883]

*Attempt 379* Do the Forerunners vs The Imperium of Man (Halo vs Warhammer 40k) please with both at their peak strength and advancements everything. And if the Forerunners win then the Emperor will lead the Imperium.

[@amead78]

Luke: Play the recording. Voice in recording: I hate sand. Luke: Tell me about it.

[@thatguywithanumbrella]

Lol, I kind of wish Luke talked about how much sand sucked too now. I mean, we all can agree it sucks. Dessert planets are the worst.

[@qualityautismNoah]

@@thatguywithanumbrella There is a scene in The New Jedi Order where Luke walks barefoot on a sandy beach with Mara and it reminds him of his home on Tatooine and how he still misses his Aunt and Uncle.

[@ninetails6218]

Quality Autism “I hate sand. It reminds me of dead people.”

[@nathanbaca5131]

That Guy with an Umbrella Dessert planets would be awesome. Desert planets however suck major ballsack.

[@thatguywithanumbrella]

@@nathanbaca5131 lmao, i'm so glad you caught that misspelling and make a joke out of it!

[@itsstillpasta]

Artoo probably has some serious droid PTSD. He's never had his mind wiped.

[@johnbutjack7519]

You really said artoo?

[@blayneyboiii9604]

@@johnbutjack7519 He really said artoo...

[@maestroaxeman]

His memory wasn't even wiped in any EU story...even though it ALMOST was in Dark Empire..."artoo" (to continue the joke in this thread😜) even went into low-power shut-down mode from epi7 into epi8. PTSD...yeah...R2D2 is basically the ONLY driod in the whole series with a free will & emotion. I've even gone as far in some SW theory to say R2D2 is actually the ONLY "Force Sensitive" driod in canon & EU🤔

[@seadve]

his mind was semi wiped in the clone wars though

[@beansontoast2158]

This man really said artoo

[@standingroom1236]

Luke: I WANT THE TRUTH!!!! R2: YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH....BEEP BOOP BOP!!!

[@PanSaltzCaballeratos]

lol XD

[@HYDN150]

"Nah man, I think you're talking about the one that goes Beep Boop Boop"

[@Chameleon1616]

“You switched on your camera when my mother was dying didn’t you!?” “YOUR GOD DAMN RIGHT I DID”!!!

[@Enterprise-D666]

hydn150 Beep boop, beep boo bob?

[@soppingwetburgers6493]

R2 drops a liveleak link.

[@danielhales8169]

Shows R2's loyalty to the Skywalker family

[@blackshogun272]

R2 us the most caring being in Legends and possibly Canon still. I don't know what made him become like this but R2 learned what Love and Empathy was over his long life in service, existence, and sentient life 😔

[@stunner9005]

To be fair it wasn’t technically Anakin’s droid. It was his wife’s droid

[@HonestHappyHater]

@@stunner9005 Well, I think that from R2's perspective he was the droid of a person that needed him at the moment. He was Padmé's droid, he was Anakin's droid, he was Antilles's droid, he was Obi-Wan's droid, he was Luke's droid... and the list goes on and on up until Cade Skywalker

[@GAdmThrawn]

His loyalty continues all the way to Luke's descendant, Cade Skywalker, in Dark Horse's _Legacy_ comics.

[@james6401]

"Will I dream, Dr. Chandra?". I imagine droid consciousness and destiny isn't delved into too deeply in the EU or Legends? I always thought it might be explored that R2 would somehow turn out to have some connection with the Force (via nanochlorians, god forbid 😨) from the time in Episode I over Naboo when it was remarked that "there's something special about this little droid".

[@markednomad3630]

Damn, that was kinda heartbreaking. R2 carries all the saddest memories.

[@epicwolf6486]

That kinda makes r2 the most human character, if you think about it. He doesn't want to release the memories and secrets that he is holding, because he knows what anguish it will bring, and the torment it will cause. Case in point... Luke. R2 cares for luke, and doesn't want to see him in pain.

[@blackshogun272]

@@epicwolf6486 imagine R2 gets a Blue and White BX Commando Droid body so he can be do "more" for those he loves. Dude I'd love to see that. And better yet, he keeps his astromech dialogue transmitter so that he still has the feeling of R2 for fans of all ages. Dude, R2-D2 mowing down enemies with a commando droid body would be sick ! 😎😎😎

[@epicwolf6486]

@@blackshogun272 I think that you have the next cool star wars movie idea!

[@Plastikdoom]

That’s cause r2 is the harvester of sorrow

[@epicwolf6486]

@Nick de windt That's actually pretty cool. Thanks for the information.

[@chadg.7162]

R2 was like “don’t look at my search history”

[@X_Gon_Give_It_To_Ya]

He's got some Anakin and Padme porn stored away.

[@bucktoothbill5334]

FIND THE DROID

[@ellisf4300]

@@X_Gon_Give_It_To_Ya nice...I mean ...wait!? What?!

[@masterskywalker7131]

@@X_Gon_Give_It_To_Ya there's ALOT of it... Trust me....

[@martianmanfrommars8428]

Wait, Luke sensed darkness in his nephew and didn’t immediately try to murder him? What madness is this?

[@SteveSmith-ty8ko]

MartianManFromMars Geez it’s almost like Luke is treated with much more respect in Legends.

[@jonmkl]

It’s almost like Luke had been training Ben for more than 10 years by then, and sensed that Snoke had already turned him and that he would bring “destruction and death and destroy everything Luke loved” rather than just sensing darkness. You know.. since he says “I had sensed it in him before”, he knew there was darkness in Ben from the beginning, Ben was sent to him BECAUSE of the darkness. I mean there’s also the fact that he _didn’t_ try to murder him, merely contemplated it, but that’s whatever.

[@the_grim_gamer3039]

@@jonmkl it's still very disrespectful of the character to say Luke even contemplated murdering his own nephew

[@LeglessWonder]

Not a story a Mouse would tell you

[@LeglessWonder]

@@jonmkl and what did Luke do for his father? The most ruthless and feared villain in the galaxy, and had been for years. But Jake Skywalkers first thought at the slightest hint of corruption of Ben is "imma murder this dude in his sleep" riiiiiiight. Totally fits the character/ s

[@shadesinsertlastname1631]

“You don’t understand the secrets I’m hiding” dam that’s deep

[@ImmrtalGamr]

You mean damn that's beep

[@sneaky3294]

Imm0rtal Gam3r621 that’s jokes 😂😂

[@tylersingleton9284]

Luke and Han's brother in law relationship and friendship is one of my favorite in all of Star Wars. Knowing that Han saw the younglings massacre alone with Luke and was there for him hits pretty hard.

[@melissalayson7275]

Luke's and Han's friendship had rocky start in A New Hope but after that they were best friends and brothers especially since Han married Leia he is Lake's brother in law. I'm glad Han was there for Luke, when they watched that recording of Vader killing younglings because that recording caused Luke so much pain.

[@MountSec]

You know what bothers me? The anime industry makes millions by simply adapting the manga/taking it as a script, meanwhile disney simply says "im not gonna adapt anything"

[@weberman173]

Welp.. this turned out longer then expected.. feel free to just ignore this the thing is.... there is a HUGE different between what we in the west understand as "canon" and what Japan understands as "canon" the concept of "canon" dosnt as much exist in Japanese Media as it does in western, its less "canon" and more "continuitys" a later entry in a series can contradict or superseed a previos piece of information entirely, and its not considerd "breaking canon" as its simply on a different continuity then the previos work, gundam is a great example for this, 0079(The OG gundam show) establishes the world, and sets certain rules and events, these rules however are later rewritten/superseeded by the novelisation(which to be fair was the original intension of how the Series should be if it wasnt for needing to sell toys) which lead then into Several SEQUEL stories following THAT continuity, while the Anime has its own sequels in THEIR continuity(which also partialy got adapted into novels in the novel continuity) , these all gets further complicated by the existance of Chars counterattack, a movie based on a Book from the Novel continuity, that was changed during adaption to fit in the Anime continuity, which then lead into the adapation of another Novel continuity work in gundam unicorn, that was also changed to fit the NEW continuity following CCA, Gundam basicly has two continuitys for its MAIN Part alone(aka UC) and that ignores thunderbolt, which is its own continuity within the continuity of the Novels, which are indipendend from each other, This is why in Japan "breaking canon" during adapating something isnt a problem, the anime will have a different continuity then the Light novel, sometimes leading to VASTLY different endings, yet booth are "offical continuitys" HECK i know of at least one Series that has 3 different continuitys coexisting(SAO, Light Novel, Anime, Games) and all three are somewhat or even VASTLY different from each other, contradicting each other constantly(mostly games strongly contradicting booth anime and light novel and Anime slightly contradicting light novel) or at times taking elements from another continuity(anime continuity had some influence on Anime continuity) to add to it You cant do stuff like that in the west as easy.. because we for some reason think that if something isnt "canon" it dosnt exist or is worth Less. What disney did is basicly what gundam did.. it has two continuitys, the "main continuity" aka the movies and TV shows, and the "Legends continuity" but people act like Legends means these works dont exist or dont matter at all, or are annoyed if a character form Legends is adapted into Canon but he isnt the exact same character as he was in legends(Thrawn comes to mind) because suddenly the other version dosnt Exist anymore? being part of a different continuity suddenly makes it worth less? (tbh, i kinda blame tolkin for this.. his work on LotR etc created a world that just "exists" as one piece of work, where everything fit together to build one coherent "canon" so we just assume thats how it should be for media, there cant be a second Canon, or if there is, its worth less because thats how it is) Also the way we release media in the west is vastly different, in japan a HUGE ammount of Light novels where Web novels first, so from the inital version people could read(often for fre) to the first "offical" printed version, there is already one layer of Rewrites and changes(a different "continuity") where events could turn out COMPLETLY differently, or the story just ends differently, creating two versions of the same story, neither worth less then the other(well.. as long as the Light novel dosnt continue after the Web novel in any significant way)here, a book gets released, thats it a book is finished, this is the only version your gonna see form this particular story from the original Author(ignoring sequels because thats a different story) the most most franchises get is a Netflix adapation as a series, or a Movie, so you, at most, have 1 layer of adapation, in japan.. its not uncommon to see a Popular web novel get a Light novel, that light novel may get a Manga, a Spin off Manga, a Spinoff Lightnovel, an Anime, an spinoff Anime, a Game, etc, Star wars do to how its published, expanded and retooled is an anomalie in the west, yet is all to common in japan, it has layers of adapation and subseries that not always work together well.. its one of VERY few western franchises that has so many different itterations and subseries without a big Nuke every so often(Marvel and DC comics as examples)we had layers on layers of "canonicity" we litterly have NOTHING to Compare Star wars to in the west, yet in japan? we have gundam as an example to compare it too, its similiar,(and even similiar in the way that not many thought it would do to well and being saved by toy sales)Gundam and grew into what it is today trough countless sequels(and prequels) books and toys and video games, and it would have long since run out of storys to tell without contradicting itself if it was following one "rigid canon" like star wars (or anything in the west do)(which it does all the time but noone cares do to how its done) instead, it dosnt do canon, it does continuity(and Alternate universes.. which is a fancy term for alternate continuity) "you want to tell a Story about a energy crisis creating 3 Major power Blocks, terrorism and human evolution into a space faring species by having to understand each other?" sure no problem.. create a different continuity and tell that story, it wont affect the other stories. "Oh you want to tell a what if scenario? here is an ENTIRE GAME Series based around what if scenarios", in Japan this is normal(not on this scale though) in the west, its uncommon as all hell, in the west, if a new star wars game comes out that isnt "canon" people would loose their shit(i said new, TOR expansions dont count, the game was canon at release, also its an MMO so its special to beginw ith) sure you can do whatif scenarios in multiplayer or as bonus chapters, but thats it, the main game itself or a Book? it either must be canon, directly adapt the movies, OR be an RTS(RTS games get away with a suprising ammount of being "not canon friendly" funnily enough) or if a new star wars book comes out that isnt considerd canon, at any point in time, was considerd "a bad book" by many because it isnt "canon" so why bother reading it right with VERY few exception(i can remember the 3 What if Comics)? If anything in the west realease and isnt following pre established Canon its considerd "badly researched, and breaking canon" in Japan? if a new Gundam releases that isnt following the main continuity people dont complain,(most of the time) they just see it as what it is a different interpretaiton of the core of the franchise EVEN if it is set in the main continuitys timeframe or even universe(like thunderbolt whitch contradicts 0079) Adapting existing works for Movies dosnt work for star wars as it does for anime, because the way we see "canon" is vastly different from how Japan does it, and even more adapating something and changing it in the process in the west is considerd "bad" at most occasions, yet is normal in anime, this alone makes adapating for an anime WAY easier then adapting ANY star wars legends book for a movie. An example here, one character in the gundam novelisation died at the end who survived in the Anime, the novel sequels follow the version where he is being dead, then got readapted into an anime where they changed it so the character WASNT dead(as the anime continuity was moving along with him being alive) which became then the new starting point for the NOVEL continuation. now imagine that in star wars, Luke dies(and YES this is comparable do to who died in gundam)somewhere, one Book series move along with him being dead, ANOTHER simply started off before he was dead and moves along with him being alive(while roughly following the Same story as luke wasnt the focal point of the story), this one gets adapted into a movie, Luke isnt dead, great, now the First book series continues(the one where luke was dead), but from the standpoint of luke never having being DEAD, aka contiunint from the movie version.

[@Wolf_3125]

And disney wonders why everyone hates their guts

[@skeletalmesh9872]

"R2, I want to know what happened to my mother and my father back in the Republic times." "bruh"

[@pinstripecool34]

skeletalMesh R2: ight imma head out

[@noahbannister1834]

R2: starts Disney plus account and starts playing the clone wars

[@elite4702]

Noah Bannister R2, what a good idea! R2: ima just watch the mandalorian

[@tricky2055]

After Luke sees everything and is crying. R2: “Bruh, I warned your ass.”

[@EckhartsLadder]

Sad video today. R2 play Despascito.

[@patrickdonovan2323]

Despacito play alexa

[@patrickdonovan2323]

(Despascito)

[@matteussilvestre8583]

R2-D(espaci)2

[@jarddooku5190]

R2: *accidentally plays Baby* Oh! Uh...how did that get there? I just need a memory wipe

[@patrickdonovan2323]

@@jarddooku5190 these are not the memory banks you're looking for

[@fulcrum2951]

This is so sad Execute order 66

[@yeetus1398]

You now have 66 likes

[@simmerjem2411]

Shoot! I better get outa here.

[@natahndolar2142]

Alexa execute order 66

[@robertzarumamuyolema1505]

You now have 666 likes

[@DarkNova50]

As somebody who appreciates the EU but didn't get around to reading too many of those novels, I definitely appreciate videos like this one.

[@OGStarwars]

DarkNova50 The Dark Nest trilogy is a great read if you like to see a lot of continuity - It was heart breaking yet intriguing to read these books. Far better than DisCanon

[@EchthelionII]

I recommend, Kenobi (self explanatory really), the Thrawn trilogy, the Jedi Academy trilogy, the Darth Bane trilogy, Outbound Flight, Maul Lockdown, and Death Troopers, these are some of my favorites.

[@jayscott8583]

The Clone commando books leading up to Order 66 are excellent.

[@EchthelionII]

@@jayscott8583 I have them all but only read the last 2, I didn't know they were part of a series when I got them.

[@jayscott8583]

@@EchthelionII One of my favorites that was not of the thrawn Trilogy is Star by Star. one of the most emotional charged books

[@bobshoe8426]

I know this was a serious video but I laughed when you zoomed in on 3po slapping r2

[@tysonasaurus6392]

Robbie Hsu this is a lore video, none of this is truly serious

[@chadfurlong2919]

Anakin: Slaughters children in the temple. Luke: Anakin: Chokes Padme Luke: I FORGAVE this man?!

[@scutumfidelis1436]

He had an ideological reason for tbe younglings, with his mum Anakin simply lost his cool.

[@ToveriJuri]

How is this surprising? Most people care more about their own families than strangers.

[@chadfurlong2919]

Scutum Fidelis “he had an ideological reason to kill children” is about the most absurd argument you could have made. It is the single most evil thing we ever see Vader do in any of the films. He personally murdered children. Sorry, but discovering my father was once abusive towards my mother, while upsetting, would be far less traumatizing than learning of his slaughtering of children by the dozens, regardless of his ‘Ideological reasons’. If this wasn’t fiction, I might even be offended you could think that way. As it is, it’s still just Star Wars.

[@ToveriJuri]

@@chadfurlong2919 But it is fiction and it has a supernatural force which can corrupts people into becoming more evil than what they are normally capable of.

[@chadfurlong2919]

@@ToveriJuri It's fiction, yes. But it's still ridiculous for Luke to be more upset over a horrible moment of domestic violence than the slaughter of dozens of kids who knew and trusted Anakin. Why are we arguing about this? This is stupid.

[@Tar-Numendil]

I think Jacen was far more evil than Anakin ever was. He killed his uncle's wife and then attended her funeral and no one at the time suspected that he did it.

[@jps6071]

Not only Jacen. Luke´s son Ben intentionally leaked information about the Jedi meeting on Kashyyk to Jacen. What caused him to attack the planet in the first place. Then he actually ADVICED him to target and burn down the towns of the planet (until then they were only setting the forests on fire) All just to come close enough to Jacen to kill him. And then, when he actually tries, he cuts a member of the bridge-crew in half who was standing between them and later never shows actual regret about it. But ironically, Ben´s actions are excused away with a handwave.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Adds a nasty twist to that fanfic "Only Right" about him going Dark...

[@The_Maori_Taro_Planter]

Did Jacen kill any kids? Serious question.

[@Stego1819]

But didnt Jacen do it for the good of the galaxy while Anakin turned to the darkside out of selfishness. Either way they could have done way more with Jacen turning to the dark side than they actually did.

[@Tar-Numendil]

@@Stego1819 I actually don't know exactly why Jacen killed her and I don't particularly care. He killed her and then attended her funeral and pretended that nothing was wrong while standing next to Luke. That is just messed up.

[@AJadedLizard]

If into the astromech droid's memories you go, only pain will you find.

[@peace7642]

A Jaded Lizard I can’t watch any longer

[@AJadedLizard]

@@peace7642 *Strokes mustache sadly.*

[@MM-vs2et]

R2 is a bro to Anakin. No way a bro would ever throw shade at his bro. That is nothing a bro would do to another bro

[@psychotictrait3757]

Martin Anthonio16 So does R 2 realize Luke is Anikan’s son?

[@thesenate433]

Psychotic Trait of course he does

[@ijnisus6273]

Bro

[@aldo1871]

Martin Anthonio16 facts bro

[@sagedecoteau9353]

a brobot, if you will...

[@GeorgTheGr8]

I prefer this over history lessons

[@robertnelson9599]

I like all types of history.

[@astrobot4017]

History can be very interesting

[@MalevolentSpirit234]

And history lessons were formerly my favorite lessons... But now, in my head, this possesses the high ground

[@ajl1218]

Yespacito i like both

[@orumonuldor1340]

A word of advice: History lessons in school are generally boring due to terrible teachers.

[@schaddalton]

I loved how willingly Jacen accepted Vergere's preposterous claim that he wouldn't fall to the dark side so long as he meant well. Surely Jacen knew enough about his grandfather -- especially after seeing the videos you outlined-- to see that Anakin totally thought he was doing the right thing and meant well when he murdered countless Jedi in the temple. His fall was, after all, because he thought Sidious was his only path to saving Padme. In short, Jacen is a typical teenager: Gullible and happy to listen to what they want to hear while ignoring the rest haha.

[@redjirachi1]

Skywalker angst is genetic, it's just only on the male line

[@Godzilla00X]

"You don't understand the secrets in my mind" that's pretty dark to come from R2

[@loganberlew3191]

It’s sad because R2 remembers everything

[@theghost6412]

R2 was an incredibly old and wise droid. he knew everything, and his memory goes back even further long before Anakin. He wasn't stupid, there was one book that was pretty much about him being away from Luke and finding out something crucial and dangerous which resulted in him kidnapping a man and his ship. Trapping him in an airlock and threatening to space him if he didn't help him to get back to Luke across the galaxy. Cant remember which one it was though.

[@Donald915]

Logan Berlew that makes me a bit sad but R2 is a tough cookie to crack I’m sure he can handle it

[@zxKAOS1]

R2 might exceed Yoda's age one day, and be "the new Yoda"!

[@maestroaxeman]

What's even better is it explains EXACTLY WHY R2D2 is foul-mouthed, cynical & jaded. Some idiot pseudo-fans scoff at me for saying R2D2 is my favorite Star Wars character. The EU story here & others (canon & non-canon alike) putting my favorite astromech driod in the center prove WHY "artoo" is my favorite character.

[@darthveatay]

I can understand why r2 didn’t want Luke to see those recordings. Every son wants too see their parents in a good light as a hero

[@Commander_Shepard.]

He felt violated that's why.

[@ScooterinAB]

Because the author wanted to manufacture drama so they could rag out the story. If he just showed Luke, then it wouldn't be a big deal.

[@theghost6412]

Cause he deemed it extremely traumatic and a secret that he would keep forever. Don't forget he has always been a military droid and sometimes spy, secret agent himself.

[@alexj848]

I’m pretty sure this is a joke, look at the name

[@jimbodeek]

By this point, Luke already knew his father had gone bad in the past. But he never could have imagined just how far Anakin had really fallen at the time of Order 66.

[@syedrameen4529]

Mara: throws shade at anaki Me: didn't u kill people for the empire

[@ethpling165]

I like to believe that Anakin did love Padmé and that he wasn’t always an evil man. It’s more that Anakin and Darth Vader are separate personalities

[@theghost6412]

He did, but his possessiveness and fear of losing her is what began to cloud his mind and weakened him to the darkside.

[@BattlestarZenobia]

Anakin was always a step away from a psychotic break, Palpatine gave him a mighty shove and a series of small pushes right over the ledge. Anakin was more obsessed and passive of Padmé than he was in love with her, it’s that image from the original Clone Wars cartoon when he cradles the hologram of her in his scary metal hand

[@Kairac112]

@@BattlestarZenobia From my point of view, it's the Jedi and their silly prophecy that broke Anakin more than Palpatine. Palpatine played his cards right and on the contrary, became a stable pillar to which Anakin could turn to if he ever needed it. That's planting seeds before even having access to soil, Palpatine planned for it all along and it still held a huge risk. Sidious never coerced Anakin to betray the Jedi. He just told him his point of view and that the galaxy and the Force work upon points of view, perspective. And then he told him he too uses the Force, but also the Dark Side. Anakin was given a choice: Destroy the Sith and bring light to the Galaxy and potentially have his wife killed in childbirth or... Save the man who was at his side at every step, promising to teach him the mysteries of the Force and save his wife and ultimately, bring balance to the Force.

[@TheApfelschale]

Being told the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise is also very seductive to the dark side. Don't tell me you didn't get wet when *he* told it.

[@tt133345]

Gentle Pirate I don’t believe Palpatine ever had any intentions of saving Padme he used Anakins emotions against him to get him to come to the dark side

[@tonybaloney4342]

The history that R2 carries with him is heart breaking honestly

[@jackryan444]

You are my SOURCE for EU content. I keeping up personally as much I can, but you are holding me to it.

[@LukaDoncicGOAT]

Because He watched the prequels

[@kantoboi9699]

Underrated comment😂

[@bronumero7334]

damn explains why he went off to some random planet to die.

[@user-dp2uv9lt2m]

And he's in the Sequels. Poor Luke.

[@spadesofpaintstudios1719]

Evolution Did not happen but did he watch the droid attack on the Wookiee’s

[@sikid4000]

@@bronumero7334 It's 2019. Not 2009. The prequels are just as good as the originals if not better.

[@thevoidlookspretty7079]

“You don’t understand the secrets I’m hiding.” I’m convinced that R2 has more information than most immortals, since he’s never had his memory erased and is unlucky enough to always be around the most important events in the galaxy. No wonder he’s so bloodthirsty. The triumph over his enemies is the only thing to cover the pain.

[@WarriorNoldor]

The Star Wars legends is way better the current cannon.

[@lordfenix17]

* Star wars canon is better than Disney canon

[@krim7]

That is because Lucasfilm put care and thought into the EU world they were building. They planned things out years in advance. Disney Canon is less refined and shot at the hip. When it works (like Rogue One and Solo), it works pretty well. When it does not work, it makes the franchise feel hollow and barren (TFA, TLJ).

[@sgtrinity4047]

@@krim7 Lucasfilm had nothing to do with EU fan fiction. They ARE behind the canon in all the new books, comics, animation and games that have come out in the past few years.

[@asheer9114]

Post Endor Expanded Universe *WAS NEVER OFFICIAL CANON* story lore, because as Lucas said "for him Star Wars story *ENDED ON ENDOR*... " and what appeared after it were just a FANFICTIONS which he more or less recognized as possible continuation of the story (especially books) except DARK EMPIRE which he hated due literally derailing entire premise of Anakin being the "Chosen One" who bring balance to the Force by eliminating it's Dark Side abomination in form of Mr "Senate" himself. On the other hand, so praised by many EU followers Wong War arc become at the end way too DARK (it's almost become Star Wars GoT esque) to even be considered as movie material... unless Lucasfilm would for the very first time go with R rating for them... which was of course a giant NO GO both for Lucas and Disney... and I think even showing how Ben Solo kill Han was pretty hard to do (and was done on Ford's own demand) and you really expect that they will show Jacen's killing spree among members of his own family and allies?.. that's not happen.

[@TheEagleNut]

@@asheer9114 Guess again, the EU was canon swforce4continuity.info/defenders-expanded-universe/

[@bigstunna2049]

I hate seeing legends lore because then I realize how great it is compared to the current cannon garbage we have now

[@BooksfromaBiGuy]

Full offense but obviously 30+ years of lore is gonna have more good in it than 5+ years worth of reboot stuff lol. Trust me when I say there’s a lot of crap novels in Legends. It’s no wonder they wanted to start over. I defs would recommend checking out Annihilation if you like the Old Republic stuff tho. Fantastic Legends novel and features the bi disaster than is Theron Shan.

[@bigstunna2049]

@@BooksfromaBiGuy I get what ur saying, I see now that my statement was pretty vague I just meant the new trilogy should've just adapted the best stories from legends instead of disregarding all of it

[@BooksfromaBiGuy]

I haven’t touched much of Legends that takes place during/after the original six films myself so I can’t speak for the quality of the sequel stories, though I cannot blame people for feeling disheartened since I know how extensive and how finely crafted a lot of it was. My main thing is that either way, films set after Episode 6 woulda created discord - either from being adaptations of old AF stories, orrrrr doing a variation of those stories, or being completely new. I think everyone kinda knew it was gonna change eventually anyway cuz Lucas was consistently messing with his own franchise lol. He had plans to do his own new trilogy that was gonna be different. I defs would love to see adaptations of these stories tho on Disney+. No reason why they couldn’t do it and just slap a Legends label on it/“what if” like they’re doing for Marvel stuff.

[@bigstunna2049]

@@BooksfromaBiGuy wow yea that's a smart idea they would make a lot of money that way

[@BooksfromaBiGuy]

It’s a better idea imo than the dumb Aladdin spinoff they wanna waste money for on Disney+. I would killlllll for a live action Phasma adaptation. It’s a fantastic Disney Canon novel and while she was wasted in the movies, her novel makes her sooooooo much better.

[@AP__Anthony__]

R2 is possibly the most valuable droid in all the galaxy he has recorded evidence of who darth Vader really was he knows how the republic was turned into the empire he knows a lot

[@lionpick7913]

Your outtro never fails to put a smile on my face

[@kflames420]

Bop......bop bop bop *doge looking confused like what’s going on *music begins to play

[@ishma2100]

Same here brotha: WUUAHAHHHAAAAAAAAAA!!!

[@Darth_Bateman]

Doggo : "WUAAAAAAAAGH!!!"

[@tricky2055]

Here’s the thing. Obi Wan and Yoda told him Anakin turned to pure evil and essentially killed when Vader emerged. He just saw first hand how evil he became. But despite the horrible atrocities Vader did Luke still sensed some good in him. That good was the love still in him for Pademe. He never stopped loving her regardless of how evil he became. The beauty is it was his love for his son, his boy he never new was alive, that was stronger than the Dark Side and turn a Sith back to the light and bring back Anakin. He sacrifices his own life to save his son, the opposite of what a Sith would ever do. Sidious, made a critical mistake by thinking he could turn Luke and have him kill his own father, but his biggest mistake was his Arrogance in thinking he had such a control over Vader that he’d stand by and watch him kill his son.

[@Dankumemes]

legends luke: never lost his hope when he found out about order 66, his mom's death, father attempted to kill his mom and best friend (obi wan), and has to face his nephew. canon luke: one misunderstanding = wants to die

[@melissalayson7275]

Screw the sequel trilogy, Legends will always be cannon to me.

[@Dankumemes]

@@melissalayson7275 the sequel trilogy literally ruined luke's and han's characters and turned the force into a deus ex machina with leia being able to control it without any training whatsoever. so you good sir take my like

[@melissalayson7275]

@@Dankumemes I also hate Rey and Kylo Ren (Who is just a Jacen Solo rip off). That being said I have nothing against Adam Driver who was great in the movie Marriage Story.

[@ATATChat]

Ah, a tasty treat with Luke? I'll bite. Edit: this video proves R2 is alive and a jokester.

[@GAdmThrawn]

R2 actually survives all the way to Luke's descendant, Cade Skywalker, in Dark Horse's _Legacy_ comics.

[@huntmastergutentag557]

not sure that jokester applies in this situation.

[@shadekerensky3691]

This was absolutely awesome, please do more on all of the post-New Jedi Order stuff. It'll be awesome to see you do stuff over Cade Skywalker and his contemporaries as well as the events of that time.

[@IonTorch52]

I had mixed feelings on the Legacy comic era; on one hand it was an interesting premise on the other I felt it compromised any new Legacy stories in the novels: since events in the novels would have to fit events in the comics set 100 years later, thus limiting new possibilities. I also have ambiguous feelings about Cade Skywalker; I find him at times selfish, unpleasant & unlikable, but I can understand where this comes from.

[@Kolonol1]

I'd like to learn more about Cade and Kol Skywalker as well...I'm not much into comics and have no idea which ones are which so it would be nice to hear more about it....and I'm still looking for more info on the old republic and especially the Mandalorian wars...since the Mandolorians have always been my favorite...

[@MrDrProfessor4]

That was really good. Kinda wishing that I read this book series.

[@DIEGhostfish]

Nah, it's not a good one. Lots of contrived conflict, Luke actually thinking Mara was involved in Order 66 and her brushing off that clear lack of trust with a joke that she was upset he thought she was that much older than him. Introducing the normal real world F-bomb to Star Wars. It's just a really bad mix of edge and attempted comedy. The only cool part was when Leia realized the Kiliks were the Mound Builders of Alderaan. That part did admittedly give me chills but only because I read "Inside the worlds of Star Wars" that turned Alderaan concept art into story pieces.

[@sirius4k]

It was great.

[@IonTorch52]

@@DIEGhostfish Unless Mara Jade didn't know her birthday (Wookieepedia has it at 18BBY) she found it ridiculous that her husband Luke didn't do the maths right, in comparison with their ages and when the Clone Wars happened (which ended before they were born).

[@DIEGhostfish]

She found it ridiculous yeah, but she seemed more upset by being called old than by her HUSBAND suspecting her of mass Jedi murder.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Killik clinches are just... wrong.

[@qwertymanova2652]

Once you get into Star Wars lore,you can't stop.There's so much to know and so many more characters.What happened after that,before that or during that.So many questions and answers.So much complexity and so much gap and time lapse

[@JustinY.]

Like it or not, that's history right there

[@billbolor9142]

Justin Y. Do you actually watch these videos?

[@astrobot4017]

@@billbolor9142 No

[@Jacaerys1]

@@billbolor9142 no, he just comments. It's honestly annoying the top comment spot here Is for a new topic for the next video. Instead this losers comment will over take other relevant comments.

[@Game...007]

Hello there again.

[@lionpick7913]

dude your in every comment section i ever see

[@speed24601]

Just now found this video. Those books are way better than what we got in the last 3 trilogy movies!

[@eren34558]

Luke: R2, why were you hiding all these memories of my parents? R2: Luke, some secrets are best left buried...I've seen what people become...I don't want it repeated. And then Nephew has to fucking repeat history!

[@InameAsOne]

As a dude that's reading through Fate of the Jedi and finished up Legacy of the Force for the first time a few weeks back, yes please. More content of this era.

[@julioacceus253]

Getting into the EU after Revenge of the Sith made the Star Wars universe feel massive. New Canon makes it small in comparison.

[@emzonik8851]

Thats why I consider Legends timeline the true one.

[@7dfive105]

For some random reason, I always forget Padme is Luke's mother

[@Ardejas]

Luke handled it better than Jake.

[@chriscarrete5303]

This alone has more meaning than the sequel trilogy.

[@fGlassmanN]

I would really be interested in a video on why cybernetic enhancement is so rare in the ‘main’ star wars era or one on pazaak vs sabaac

[@theghost6412]

Ton Phannon comes to mind when people ask about cybernetics and why some use them more than others.

[@adarkwind4712]

Well for Jedi to lose part of you inhibits you’re ability with the force. Can’t remember the reference but I know that was something talked about in legends when discussing Vader’s lost potential

[@Kp2fresh]

I love legends

[@Commander_Shepard.]

I love you too. 🙂

[@aidanmoore4311]

Kayin Portis I love Legends too.

[@jhroomy]

Luke during the whole thing: Man, old Ben sure has been through alot with my family. Wait, R2, WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ME YOU KNEW OLD BEN?

[@Eric_Stoneheart420]

I need to read this trilogy now, this also proves that r2 had pain from his former master and his actions.

[@classyviking1965]

Still can't believe Disney axed this in favor of... Yeah.

[@sheevone4359]

They couldn't have used original actors like Mark Hamill though then, because Luke is like 35 years old in these comics...

[@classyviking1965]

@@sheevone4359 The way they couldn't use the original actors in Solo?

[@sheevone4359]

@@classyviking1965 exactly. And everyone was like: " Oh I'm not interested in and they shouldn't have done solo, because they (obviously) couldn't use Harrison Ford and Billy Dee for the film so I'm not going to watch it." Many people would have said the same for a film in the period described in this video because they don't want to see luke being played by sbd else than Mark...

[@classyviking1965]

@@sheevone4359 That's just a fact of life we would have to get used to. Fact of the matter is, the old EU was, and is, a far cry better than the new canon. They could have run with any story from the EU they wanted, not just the Skywalker saga.

[@sheevone4359]

@@classyviking1965 I agree, the only problem is that many people are too narrow minded to "get used to" as you say.

[@thebronzedragon1]

You know I now choose to believe that R2 is the star wars version of Hitchhikers Marvin the depressed android and in the end will end up several times older that the universe itself

[@STSWB5SG1FAN]

How much different things would have turned out if Padame had survived childbirth.

[@rqneo5361]

Vader would have found her and awkward reuinion

[@frozezone22]

Why can't Disney use this material to make an actual good sequel trilogy

[@theguybehindyou4762]

Because muh feminism!!!1!!one!

[@SultanFilm]

I loved most of the old EU. But a good portion was pretty bad. And back in the day wasn't well received when it came out. I remember the Vong series being pretty disliked at the time

[@powerarmorpatriot2068]

Because they have a social justice agenda.

[@IonTorch52]

@@SultanFilm The New Jedi Order was the whole EU being built up to that time in 1999 (When the Prequels started) and taking a hammer and smashing it into the most bloodiest conflict in Star Wars EU history, if not the whole saga. It could be said in terms of anguish, death and destruction it was the "Game of Thrones" of Star Wars. Along with the deaths of many characters including one of the most beloved in "Vector Prime."

[@youwished8806]

@@SultanFilm I disliked the direction the EU took. Pitting Jacen and Jaina against each other. Killing Anakin Solo etc. The new and old character mixes did bring some light hearted moments but ultimately failed in the end. Most became drawn out comic books with more fluff that actual stuff.

[@Locutus494]

Man, we all knew and have always said how R2 knew everything that was really going on and could have really saved the other heroes some trouble had he just spoke up, but this kind of makes me feel sad and sorry for R2. All that he was holding inside, if he weren't a droid, was so horrible and depressing. Also, I LOLed at "R2 does the most R2 thing ever"; perfect description! I wonder if that similar scene in The Last Jedi was inspired from that book?

[@javierg.2938]

Damn Luke never got to see his mother and how much he accomplished as a great Jedi.😣😣😢

[@adarkwind4712]

I still remember reading when Jacen killed her. Definitely the “there’s no going back now you’re dead one way or another” moment. Not necessarily because Luke would disallow him the opportunity, but because he would never return to a state of mind that would allow his return. At the end even he knew what was required.

[@pinstripecool34]

Damn, this stuff is deep. R2 “grabbing”the wall not wanting to show Luke those horrible memories. “You dont understand the secrets Im hiding.” That hits hard. Poor R2. This is why I love Legends.

[@henrymarckisotto9025]

Man R2 really deals with some shit doesn't he? That's one badass droid

[@STSGingie]

I enjoyed your touch of Legacy of the Force, it was the first Star Wars novel series that really held my attention. Jacen's fall was deeply compelling and I loved the journey despite how heartbreaking his decisions would become. The story mirrored the rise of The Empire and Darth Vader is so many ways but the eventual schism of the Skywalker family, the fated duel between twin siblings, was incredibly exciting to see over time.

[@kyletimmons421]

I only finished the Dark Nest Trilogy and Legacy of the Force last year. I've been dragging my feat because I'm reluctant to reach the end of the Expanded Universe knowing there's nothing to follow (yet?). They're absolutely incredible, and Jacen and Jaina's stories are powerful and personal, developing over years of reading the books associated with them. I highly recommend them to anyone who's never read them before and I'd love to watch videos by you on the topic!

[@chrissonofpear1384]

I felt kind of wounded by seeing where Jacen went. Still invested, but a bit sore at Denning for what feels like a blatant retcon (over Vergere)

[@Spartahhh]

Every time I see Darth Vader unmasked I think back on young Anakin during his pod racing days full of hope and courage seeing his rise and fall gets to me every time it’s almost like loosing a close family member

[@BronyHunter]

My question is: Where was the Executor at the beginning of ROTJ? Why did an Imperial II escort Vader's shuttle to the DS2? #askeck

[@thepewplace1370]

good question: my guess would be two fold 1) the space around the sanctuary moon is crowded, between the shield, construction ships, supply ships and security, its probably quite a cluster, and using a smaller, "standard" size ISD is probably easier (plus logistics, the SSD costs more to move), hence why Vader debarked the ISD in his shuttle while still several hundred/thousand kilometers away from the DSII 2) security - they are bringing the second highest ranking, and highest ranking people in the Empire to the DSII and while Palpatines plan is to let the Rebels find out, Vader doesnt know about this plan yet, and so a shuttle flying in from a regular ISDII is more mundane and less identifiable than Vaders flagship flying in system and a lone shuttle departing it for the DSII

[@chrissonofpear1384]

It may have gone to fetch Palpatine. I think that was in an earlier script?

[@nickobrien8043]

I will say Luke's nephew in this is extremely interesting to watch in development, in this series, wish we would have had something fleshed out for Kylo Ren like this.

[@S-Fan2006]

Imagine if Luke’s disapproval of attachments stemmed from seeing R2’s memories in canon, maybe having R2’s memory glitch be a result of him getting shot in the Battle of Endor (which forced Han to hot-wire the door open), showing how even the smallest things can deal a massive impact on the future.

[@Danith]

You should make a "Reasons R2 is the most noble Droid in the Galaxy" video. Him trying to keep that pain from luke almost made me tear up.

[@indianajones4321]

You can’t handle the truth!

[@brenobastos8620]

this story belongs to a museum!

[@SoulCharizard]

Breno Bastos ... Wait, shouldn’t it belong to the library or something?

[@AustralianGQ]

In episode 4 when Luke spends time with Obi-wan in his house on Tatooine. You would think Luke would inquire about his mother like he does about his father. the question never comes up at all. I know George Lucas wrote the script that way but any human would ask those questions. I know Obi-wan tried to keep a lot of information from Luke to let him discover it on his own and at his own pace but Luke should of pressed Obi-wan with more questions about his lineage. It also would of been nice to see Luke and Leia one day travel to Naboo.

[@colorcommentary5987]

That was a really good story. I like learning about how Luke learned about the savageness of his father. It was even more than he thought. It was also interesting to see R2 try to protect him from this. I wonder if the novel itself spoke more about Droid rights. As they obtained that information against R2's will.

[@jj003333]

This video was absolutely fantastic. It was my favorite video you putting out so far. I love your videos and this one just took the cake for awesomeness

[@critter30002001]

Awesome video! I was never able to catch up on those books back in the day, and I really enjoyed learning more about that period in the old timeline. Especially about Jacen, Mara, and how R2 revealed the events of EP3.

[@mangleplaysfnafcraftyt4909]

r2 has seen every major battle in starwars history. he probably has Vietnam flashbacks

[@skyhunter2423]

Going by his age, a few WW1 & WW2 flashbacks too

[@TobeWilsonNetwork]

Dark Nest might be so-so plot and lore wise, but I always liked the cover art. Sometimes the artwork of real life actors is a little creepy, but everybody looks great on the Dark Nest covers.

[@emzonik8851]

I love this, not just the lore presented here but the video itself. I come back here every once in a while, cos I think it's one of he first I watched here. Idk, but you not only managed to elevate Dark Nest even more in my eyes, but this is perhaps my single favourite video of yours. You should do more videos like this again!

[@dianesinger9729]

I remember reading these books as they came out and I absolutely loved them. The fall of Jacen Solo to Jania becoming the Sword of the Jedi.

[@Tenancy92]

i listen to the legends audiobooks in the chronological order for the second time, and not so long ago passed the dark nest trilogy, waited for that moment when R2 shows the recording of padme and anakin, but its not mentioned. the audiobooks are sadly the abriged version which means it only happens in the book..... damn it!

[@andrewshepherd1633]

Yeah, I had no idea this was in there. Kinda ticked that they left it out!

[@Hezigrimm]

So, this was a considerably better version of what Star Wars has been doing recently. Nice.

[@oS2006DE]

I knew this was going to be pretty emotional, but wow they really sat down these characters with what happened in the prequels and I mix them grapple with what took place as humans would. Bad ass! I should check these books out.

[@Nathren]

The way you framed the time period that the content was released was really well done and is something that separates you from other Star Wars Lore-keepers. Seriously, it's really important to understand the context of the time a piece of writing is published, thank you so much for shedding some light on a time I wasn't old enough to recognize or properly understand (when these books originally came out I was no where near mature enough to understand the gaps they needed to fill).

[@mykls8712]

This was actually horribly tragic. It hit me in several parts..

[@eyesrajones]

Keep going. Cover the next two series as well. Darth Cadeus and Abeloth are awesome and most people have never heard of them.

[@spencerrehn101]

Appreciate the Dark Nest/Legacy of the Force content, probably the two series I know little about (aside from the parts about Mara's death and Jacen's later death).

[@bradleyraymond1220]

One of the best KZbin videos I've seen in a while. Fantastic job!

[@oddtick]

Luke: *Discoveries massive manipulated Jedi Slaughter* Also Luke: *Blames the jedi for it*

[@earthhound]

The Jedi beget the Sith.

[@didokell]

Jedi started the war and controlled the senate through corrupt manipulation. They always undermined the Democratic Senate. Palpitine did nothing wrong

[@oddtick]

@@didokell Stop spreading you're separatist propaganda

[@AmoralPhat40oz]

1:32 “LUKE TOUCHED THE TIP..”

[@b.lonewolf417]

Giggity

[@sloreo8278]

Finding out that this is in the Dark Nest trilogy blows me away. I’ve gone through so much of Legends with the Audiobooks and some of the older ones are abridged, I can’t believe they’re THIS abridged that I never knew about this.

[@letstalkstarwars5490]

Wow you just gave me some more books for my reading list. I love the idea of R2 being burdened by the memories he's storing. Great video!

[@rsmith8113]

These are the things we all wanted from the sequels!

[@mitchcoleman1238]

I would LOVE to hear more about this series!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@jimcarrillo720]

Thanks, Eckhart!!! I didn't realize the novelizations continued after the Yuzhon War. This was great I appreciate the video!!!!

[@TaisharEnder]

Wow. That was really interesting. Yes I’d love for you to continue doing that story, eck.

[@scytheseven9173]

Do a Yuuzhan Vong invasion of Fluidic Space and war against Species 8472(the Undine)! Try 146.

[@Locutus494]

Woah, woah, woah! A Star Wars and Star Trek crossover?!! Are you TRYING to destroy the entire space-time continuum?!!

[@joshk96]

Yes!!!!

[@thorshammer7883]

*Attempt 378* Do the Forerunners vs The Imperium of Man (Halo vs Warhammer 40k) please with both at their peak strength and advancements yes super weapons and ai included and if Forerruners stomp then the Imperium may have their Emperor for help.

[@egorex1834]

Keep it up, pal. We'll get it eventually.

[@omgidkwhatimdoing9626]

forerunners at peak beat any galactic empire, by nature of them having the halo array, which kills an entire galaxy at once. this of course means you can really counter any argument for 40k by saying "but everyone in the empire gets killed in one blast." the only chance they have is if they can manage to destroy most of the array before it gets fired, which is possible for sure, but highly improbably, even with your time shenanigans. and then we need to consider the fact that the forerunners were actually a much larger empire. there is evidence to suggest that they were colonizing a second galaxy, both meaning they had ftl to do so, and were big enough to want to travel that far out.

[@slovakiaballif24]

I love how interlinked legends was. Everything was coordinated, or at least as well as it can be. Wish canon had more of that

[@thefrontnine]

Good stuff Eckhart, I've not read much Legends stuff and would enjoy more content like this. Especially now that the current trilogy had brought so much turmoil amongst our fan base. Its refreshing.. keep up the good work :-)

[@ronparker8582]

I had the idea that the Emperor removed or blocked the living force from Padme since she was in pain the droids could not explain being separated from the thing that binds the galaxy together for the first time could be a traumatic way to die and as her Force strong children were delivered she lost all contact with the Force. The Emperor needed her dead to consolidate his hold on Vader. Just my 2am thinking.

[@samuelvillarreal4157]

OMG my innards were in tears when I heard look finding the recording of anikin and padme

[@jamieh1819]

Ani kin

[@brunobertossi]

MORE ABOUT THIS PLEASE, we love you man

[@bastogne1327]

I would love to see more videos like this! Keep up the great work!