How Male Minimalism Threatens the US Economy

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[@aaroncostello8812]

It isn't even that men need very little to 'survive'. Most men don't need much to actually be HAPPY.

[@marcusmcgraw3519]

But they NEED a woman. And thats why women take advantage of men so frequently, because you will sacrifice every bit of your own happiness trying to please her. That is where most men fail, but they'll never admit to it

[@marks-0-0]

Well said

[@richardtibbetts574]

All I need is my rescue dog. ❤

[@RKmndo]

I bought a modest old house by a lake, a used canoe, and a used Suzuki DR650. I'm all set. 😂

[@snakeplissken3063]

And it drives women crazy.

[@rrdutch4111]

When owning your own house and starting a family becomes a fantasy, Abandoning that society and living a minimalist life becomes a reality….. *whoa, thnx for the 3k likes😳

[@marcusmcgraw3519]

I can understand wanting your own house, but why would any man want a wife and kids who dont respect him? Bad idea on that part

[@The2ndFirst]

Do you often have the fantasy of jumping out of an airplane with a 56% failure rate? Pick another fantasy.

[@captnhuffy]

@@The2ndFirst Yup. I chose to retire super young and play everyday. Just bought an another motorcycle. Wanna get an another,newer, mtn bike. And I’m looking at EUC.. not sure I’ll have the skills, but time will tell. I lost interest in Surfing and snowboarding and won’t waste my time on it.

[@The2ndFirst]

@@captnhuffy Live your life brother. I just got out from under the debt I incurred from my second marriage, and have had just the first breath of fresh air.

[@dystervarg5257]

​@@The2ndFirstWell skydiving is safer than a relationship with a feefail, now you don't have to be married or cohabitate, she only needs her feelings to unleash the wrath of Daddy Gov and Soyciety on you.

[@saturn580]

Nothing creates male minimalists like the divorce industrial complex. Even guys who have never been divorced know several who have.

[@snowheader2200]

Created by bitter feminist and suffragist

[@kooolainebulger8117]

fuck the old prudes and seamstresses who brought about modern feminism

[@victorhayes5471]

This. Once you see your closest friends go through bitter divorces...it's hard to unsee it.

[@johnbruenn8755]

Exactly. Who can blame young men for choosing not to get married or risking a common law situation. Divorce complex indeed. No thanks to that potential misery.

[@mbradley274]

At the very least, men should teach their sons that marriage contracts are slave chains. If marriage was just love, a contract wouldn't be required. The contract makes it governmental prostitution.

[@Azure_Tint]

I'm always thinking "If society hates us, then why not let it rot?"

[@derikuk2967]

Do not support or defend the state that hates you for what you are.

[@user-zk9tg9tr4b]

welcome to acceleration, I say put the pedal down and full steam ahead into the mountain side, let's see how big a fireball we can make.

[@eltreum1]

This is happening all over the world. In China there is a youth movement literally called 'Lie flat and let it all rot'. They refuse to get married or have kids and don't work themselves to death for the state or take on huge debt for housing. The economy is imploding, and mass layoffs are starting and Shenzhen is starting to look like Detroit full of miles of empty factory and worker apartment buildings.

[@The_Natalist]

​@@user-zk9tg9tr4b Thats a bad idea, letting it rot means that we wash our hands of this to focus our energy elsewhere. If you try to accelerate the fires, it will reach and drag you down with it, _stay away, being spiteful helps no one_

[@KARKATELCESARENVIADODESA-pv4yd]

Based and robloxpilled

[@wambutu7679]

The humor starts when the government, in desperation starts to treat women like they treat men. That's going to be hilarious.

[@davebellamy4867]

When they have enough assets to steal, it will come.

[@lightningstrikes7314]

Lol

[@mekkler]

And it will fail miserably, like herding cats. But, yeah, it will be funny.

[@NahuCommNS]

I'm stacking boxes upon boxes of 🍿 bags and bottles of 🥤 in preparation for that. Can't wait to be able to see it hahahahah 🤣

[@MuscularOrphan]

maybe, maybe not the 1%ers take over small countries for financial gain and claim there fighting for freedom or searching for wmd's@@mekkler

[@willingtooppose7919]

My crew of men were working on a site when a woman's car was out front with a flat tire. She asked us if we could change it for her. I asked her if she had CAA ( Canadian Automobile Association ; a not-for-profit federation providing more than 7 million Members with emergency roadside service ) She said she didn't . I asked her what she normally does when this happens. She said she calls her Dad or brother. I explained to her that my guys make big hourly bucks and we have a certain amount of time to complete our project and ( also ) for liability reasons we could not offer her a free car repair service during our work hours. She then immediately insulted us and stormed back to her car. I own several trucks and there's very little I can't repair because I had to learn about trucks when I first started driving. I understand not all people are mechanically inclined which is why the CAA service is quite popular. I guess she assumed all men were just like her male blood relatives who treat her like a child with a broken toy. When her dad showed up 2 hours later she again loudly insulted us while the dad looked over with a look of embarrassment.

[@andybuscus383]

How to change a tire is something everyone with a car should know how to do. It's why we keep a spare in the back, after all. If I ever have a daughter, she's learning everything I would teach a son.

[@willingtooppose7919]

@@andybuscus383 You're a wise man . Changing a tire, checking/filling the fluids and knowing how to boost a car ( especially in Canada eh ? ) should be the basics taught to anyone who owns a car. CAA or AAA is relatively cheap as well. 1 tow without it is usually more that the service costs for a year !! Cheers !

[@essentialpunisher5181]

He should be embarrassed for raising such an entitled sh!thead.

[@Numantino312]

any father that does not teach their daughter car basics is setting her up for -being 'exploited' by mechanics who see an easy payday -being worse-than-exploited (raped) on some roadside

[@GbpsGbps-vn3jy]

@@andybuscus383 Most cars EU from last 10 years don't have spare tire. They even have smaller trunks which if you put it there, you can't use it for anything. Technology at its best

[@maxhouse2409]

Back in the 1990's a then roommate told me "It takes stupid people to keep the economy going".

[@nexusdrop7863]

I would have to disagree with that. Long story short is we are seeing the results of such thinking, one example being that women can do the same jobs at the same proficiency as men. Governments were building their 'ideal' society around that kind of thinking; endless consumers. Problem we are seeing is that men can and will walk away, something never expected. Without a family men have noting to sacrifice for and can sacrifice everything (for survival). Great example is how govs are now trying to say MEN need to have families instead of women have kids. Govs thought single mothers could produce useful citizens (for tax purposes) but they only produce tax expenses. Govs will either go bankrupt and be replaced or start prioritizing men, and since they would rather men d*e those govs will collapse.

[@derikuk2967]

And stop joining the government's military and police. Don't be a thug for a state that hates you for what you are. Do not defend it. @@nexusdrop7863

[@BrandonLeech]

Go to any major shopping mall in America and bask in the realness of THAT statement.

[@aleksandrorlov1515]

​@@nexusdrop7863 Government is already bankrupt. But government burocrauts are rich. They bankrupt the country.

[@silverhammer7779]

Stupid people are the target audience of the advertising industry. We must consume...we must consume...

[@smashfanatic]

Couple additional things to consider. 1) Men make less money = less of that money is taxed, ie stolen by the government. So male minimalism directly affects the government’s pocket. 2) Most of a married man’s bills are just money he’s giving to his wife, so male minimalism means no marriage and therefore no money going to a woman, so this directly affects women’s pockets.

[@SweatyFatGuy]

For 3 years after my first divorce, I lived on $100 a month while active duty and slept in my car (a ratty 1970 GTO that I had all of $5k in) and on friends couches. They took the money I was being paid for housing and food and included it in the child support. Illegal to do, but no lawyer would touch it. Several times after I was medically discharged, they took the entire contents of my bank account as a punitive measure, just to set me behind so they could punish me more when the payment bounced. I got good at living on nothing and still doing things I wanted to do. After the second divorce 11 years ago, I bought some land in the middle of nowhere ($27k for 13 acres), built a 1050 sqft home on it that is VERY uncomfortable to women (by design) and a 1540 sqft shop because I like to build old cars to drive in summer. I built both with a $30k building loan and my monthly income which was finally available to me after 2015. Paid it all off in 2021. I am exempt from property tax and income tax. They created a nightmare for themselves, because I am working on never needing to buy anything other than car parts and supplies to rebuild them. Like welding wire, cheap paint, tires, etc. Not only that, but I show others how to keep old junk running for dirt cheap, produce fuel for it dirt cheap so they don't have to buy it, and heat their homes for dirt cheap. Growing food is the more valuable product of the fuel and heat endeavor. Someone could do this with a $25k a year income, that is easy to do passively. Just have an old truck, I'm talking 1950 to 1980, run it on vodka fuel, and play video games most of the time if you want.

[@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115]

@@SweatyFatGuy Two divorces? Did not you learn after the first experience!?

[@S1000xrhp]

I've been saying this for years, every divorce produces another woman locked out of a man's wallet. The man finds himself better off after resolving child support/alimony and with more cash to spend on quality items for his hobbies, cars & motorbikes, football stuff, walking gear, cycling etc etc. And it looks like it's not simply happening at the end of the marriage but also by not getting into that scam at the start!! 😂 We are seeing the end of male conditioning, technology allows us greater communication with like minded men to pursue hobbies of interest to them. The reason why men hid in sheds with their hobbies was because the wife had the house!! No wife/happy life!!

[@eurosalamander]

3) The less taxes a man pays, the less money the government have to give out in wellfare, which affects women the most *again*! It's literally a one-two-punch!

[@victorrenevaldiviasoto9728]

Just one problem: damned FED is gonna print hundreds of new bills to make for the loss of revenue

[@mckeeasdf]

When times get hard, unnecessary expenses get cut. Ladies, that's you.

[@marcusmcgraw3519]

Why would you be willing to spend money on women in the first place when they would never do the same for you?

[@mckeeasdf]

@@marcusmcgraw3519 I'm still classy, my pump & dumps usually get some of my pizza.

[@marcusmcgraw3519]

@@mckeeasdf well that’s normal, I’m not gonna trip on that. I just don’t take women out for dates unless there’s something in it for me

[@user-sw1nv7qz2c]

Supercharging MGTOW 😊

[@mckeeasdf]

@@marcusmcgraw3519 Besides, times are not hard for me, because I don't keep a woman.

[@gerkrulz8273]

I read that 85% of all the space in a typical mall is occupied by stores that cater to women's wants/needs/desires.

[@bargainhuntbricks420]

Clothing, appliances, and smell goods are most of the stores. So that tracks.

[@kessku1484]

Men just need two shops, the auto store and Cabelas. Malls are for women and eye candy

[@willingtooppose7919]

"Women employ the children in the foreign factories ...... If it's at the mall she must have it all, the advertisers agree .... She don't see it* right up close, she ignores it * far away .... As long as he has his job , she will spend his pay !!! " it* > the problems with consumerism and child/slave labour

[@valer119]

​@@kessku1484book store too. That's like a second home, I don't really watch TV and I don't game.

[@onemotherpucker]

Yep...despite what the feminists say, it's a female oriented society here in the west. The Western women is the most privileged human in the history of humanity.

[@The2ndFirst]

This is probably one of the biggest things that I never hear from anyone in the manosphere. One of the biggest things I learned from being in the military was that I could live with nothing and be happy. Even when I was married, when I looked for housing I passed up multiple places because it would not be suitable for my wife. I would've been fine living in those places. I have lived sleeping under a poncho liner and eating dry ramen. It's not ideal, but I can make it. I recently got sick of the gym culture and converted my bedroom to a home gym and sleep on a pull out sofa bed. As long as I have oatmeal and some butter.....Maybe multi grain bread, I'm good for three meals a day. I can eat on pennies. I choose not to at this stage of the game but it doesn't mean I can't. I paid off my vehicle in three years because I worked my ass off. Now, I'm free and clear. No debts. Society doesn't really know what it's doing shaming men like it does.

[@ozarkrefugee]

Army CAV Scout live out of their ruck.

[@The2ndFirst]

@@ozarkrefugee To a point. You still live in a poncho liner on the ground if you're in an OP.

[@jimmym3352]

I remember getting out of boot camp, and pretty much everything I owned I could carry in my hands and on my back. Flash forward 25 years, and I accumulated so much junk. I dumped a lot of that when I sold my house.

[@RagTag-N-Bobtail]

Much love! But please take care of your health, sir; no processed carbs, sugar... it'll save you in the long run.

[@abdiellawrence397]

Nothing but absolute facts. I got out of the army 18 months ago and I feel the same way. After 5 years in the barracks, living in a one bedroom apartment is cool with me. The place I got 30 minutes outside of Frankfurt has the gas, water, cable, and electricity included in the rent. It really is a beautiful feeling not needing all of that extra crap just to impress women.

[@jameshoopes6467]

You’re wrong. Men don’t think it’s ok like that. Men think it’s f*’ing awesome to live like that. The best times in my life were when I was in my early 20s and all I had was a bicycle and a largely empty apartment. My friends and I spent the weekends riding our bicycles on the boardwalk in Pacific Beach and we were so happy. Nothing got better from that point. I worked harder and harder and my happiness declined. I wish I knew that then.

[@Spartan11117777]

Yes man, I miss riding my Bicycle all around the City.

[@trvekvlt7196]

Dude same. I quit my job and took a trip to LA where I went on the beach for hours and hours every day. I then lived for 2 years in an apartment with my best friend and had dozens of great experiences with lots of women. And not a single time was money ever an issue

[@herbderbler1585]

"We didn't know we were making memories. We just knew we were having fun."

[@San-lh8us]

why not do it again then? isn't it cheaper to just live like that?

[@MrWaterbugdesign]

Been living this for 22 years starting at age 45. Been an absolute blast. Next year planning to move to SE Asia and finding a great young (18-30) beautiful woman. Maybe even have kids. I'll be going with $600k cash after selling my central Phoenix house and $5800/mo income ($3800 from SS). That's 5x -10x what a doctor there earns.

[@kevinkearns7719]

One of the most shocking things to me was during the early months of Covid (March, April 2020) when people (i.e. women) were not shopping, getting their nails and hair done, eating at restaurants, and traveling the economy ground to a halt. I knew this was a problem but those months made it clear how deep the rot really is. Our economy literally functions on female consumer behavior.

[@MajimaEnterprises]

Yeah. Even wmen started embracing minimalism during that time. Now that things have gone back to "normal", they've reverted back to their old habits. Really though, it's because they're highly susceptible to propaganda. The state was telling them to stay home during the pandemic, so that's what they did. Now the state is encouraging them to go out and "live a little" i.e spend a load of money on flights abroad, going to nightclubs and buying goods that they don't actually need, so that's what they're doing. Wmen just conform to whatever they're being told is the normal thing to do.

[@skylinefever]

@@MajimaEnterprises Well, does that mean women can be ordered to marry, enjoy being married, and enjoy pumping out a bunch of kids?

[@moisesfrias1117]

@@skylinefever Yes if enough money in publicity is done it will but goverment will loose and capitalists also

[@MajimaEnterprises]

@@skylinefever I don't know about ordered, but subtle propaganda would definitely work. Like every other advertisement depicting a happy family, subliminally telling them "Look how much happier you would be with a husband and kids". Pretty much what the government did after WWII and resulted in the post-war baby boom. Obviously a lot of stuff would have to be changed/scrapped first for it to work in today's society, but people have incredibly short memories, so if all of the feminism stuff was scrapped tomorrow, people would quickly forget that it was ever a thing.

[@skylinefever]

@@moisesfrias1117 It has a benefit, problem is it doesn't happen within a politician or CEO's term. Since those people aren't going to benefit, it won't happen. Besides, I think about how many people had children because "They are supposed to" and hated it.

[@Warder-hn7pe]

I went rural and made a homestead intending on a family. Third Fiancée cheated and I just gave up on marriage. Now I just live on the land. Grow my own food, raise my own meat, and utilities are Solar+Wind barrel turbines and a 1000 foot well into the largest aquafer in Texas. I have no need for the government or to spend money. I just store guns, food, ammo and precious metals.

[@MrBooYa-yd5er]

You’ve made it.

[@AlexiosLair]

Isn't it tad too expensive to have such a land in Texas?

[@enclaveofficerz3245]

​@@AlexiosLairif you get desertified land you can get alot of acreage and create swales and then build on it.

[@geomundi8333]

Same here; I was saving for a tractor and the bizlle left and took the money. Now she lives in tiny apartment and lives a city slave life; that's what she deserves.

[@AlexiosLair]

@@enclaveofficerz3245 I was refering to property tax

[@personnesenki4521]

"There are levels of survival that we are prepared to accept."

[@nexusdrop7863]

.....that is a damn good summery of the male ideology.

[@Neoquaker1]

​@@nexusdrop7863Nice Matrix reference. Edit: I was referring to personnesenki's comment

[@marks-0-0]

Like me, my house has poor insulation with basic central heating that costs more than i want to spend to heat up. So i just put on a jumper and use the woodburner with free logs i get from work. I simply don't mind as its only noticeably cold inside for about 3 months of the year.

[@malvadosyasociados6373]

Literally me, I only use my heeating to like 25% of what I should and make up for it with a sleeping bag@@marks-0-0

[@anthonyzeal6263]

@@marks-0-0 yup..you got your house.. that’s your domain. It may be a fixer but it’s YOUR fixer. That’s commendable

[@titolovely8237]

i actually just used this to my advantage. i just changed jobs and got $14k relocation fee. see most people have an entire house full of stuff, but not me. i moved the entire house worth of stuff out in 6 hours by myself, put it in a uhaul i rented for $30/day, and drove it to my new place. everything was 100% moved out and moved in within the span of 36 hours, costing me about $300 with gas included, and i made $14k. next job i take i will do the same thing. it's essentially a bonus for not being materialistic. it's great.

[@ironxYT]

Absolute W my man, absolute W

[@albinoyak2755]

What's the job?

[@mjgII]

who tf paid you 14k just to move that's insane

[@MrWaterbugdesign]

I'll be moving to SE Asia next year with 1, maybe 2, suitcases and $600k and $5800/mo income. Amazing how money builds when not buying lot's of crap.

[@Woow-vr8fe]

I can attest to this. I never bought candlesticks, pillows, wicker baskets, window sill figurines, blinds, a rug, a small side table. If I show a picture of my livingroom to women they'll probably think I am in the proces of moving. Neither do I need or have a 192-pieces cuttlery set and two dozen plates. I can move my whole house within 1 day. Everything I don't use regularly is already in cardbox boxes.

[@iamaronman]

Only candles I own are emergency candles.

[@keith4826]

I remember one of the scenes in the Equalizer with Denzel Washington. His apartment had a chair. small table. A fork, spoon and knife. A pot and pan....you get the drift.

[@prettyboyjeremy]

I like the scented candles and my books. Outside my section couch and 3d Printer. I could move everything out of my house in 4 hours or less Washer, dryer and 4 fridges included

[@jared2880]

Thing is, we as men *can* enjoy those extra amenities, but it’s not the core of what makes a home, home- at least to most men. To me it means a place where I am safe, sheltered, can be at ease, and unbothered by the outside world. The inside doesn’t have to look like the Louvre for that to be for a man.

[@MajimaEnterprises]

It is a good idea to have a stash of long candles in case the power goes out though, which is probably going to become a common occurrence as our society falls apart.

[@dougb4956]

I retired after 35 years in local government in SoCal. With a nice pension. My ex and I were married 17 years and split up 11 years ago. I'll never remarry. The day after I retired I moved to my little beach house in Baja, Mexico. Don't know if I'll ever return to the US, other than to hit up Costco for supplies. I live CHEAP on my little beach and the rest goes into investments. My biggest expense is gasoline for my boat so I can fish whenever I want in the Sea of Cortez. Don't need the big house. Sold or gave away most of what I had. The rest of my stuff came here with me. Loving it. I have no desire for the USA rat race.

[@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT]

I do envy you! I intended to do something similar, but failed along the way - the farthest I went was the outskirts of a big city and I can no longer afford to go further away.

[@largervoid1708]

Nice.... another gringo going south to Mexico....

[@davidwalsh6608]

Well done you have beaten the system

[@davidcarvajal5739]

The New Américan Dream

[@dougb4956]

@@largervoid1708 It's all America separated by a skinny border. Mexicans and US citizens have the same values, and a ton of mixed families among us. I thank God the USA was not successful taking over Baja.

[@keith4826]

During a discussion with my last long term relationship I told her... " you have no idea how simple a life I could live ". I think way back in some remote part of her stubborn mind she might have known what was coming. It took some time to wrap things up. Sold the house and reduced my things to a suitcase and a duffle bag. Left a very good paying job that was physically demanding and stressful. Retired at 61 on much less money. No more shopping trips buying crap she already has. No more expensive trips I need to work overtime for, or spend retirement funds on. I rent fully furnished places and can walk out the door with my stuff when the lease is up. Gentlemen....Live your best life.

[@terywetherlow7970]

We women have been figuring out the same. Just another iteration.

[@tomdavis8757]

Anyone who has ever moved knows the value of minimalist living whether it’s by choice or not. If that threatens an economy then you don’t have a strong and sustainable economy Cheers

[@SharpBalisong]

Someone's so bitter, I can taste it. @@terywetherlow7970

[@hectorzero8545]

​@@terywetherlow7970 lmao try again.

[@Ok-_-719]

Cheers 🍷🗿

[@mrcrhartman]

You know, whats funny is when I was 21 years old I lived in my car, showered at an office building when my friend would let me in after hours, kept my stuff in a storage unit for $30 a month, and all because I put all my money into the business I was starting. A year later I was pulling over 10g a month from the business, and I ran that business for two decades until it became an obsolete venture. Never once did I feel discomfort living in the car. I even went out and had a regular social life and dated during those 18 months. Doing what I had to do to make my vision come true made me feel tough and strong, not degraded. I thought "real men" all dealt with lack of shelter, manual jobs, walking, etc. so I never thought a bad thing about it, and looking back it was one of the most important things I ever did for my long-term finances.

[@Elitegama2]

dude respect youre a hard ass, what america was built on. a real man

[@turokforever007]

I used to know people with a house full of stuff paid $$$ a month on SKY. But they were never really home unless thy were just sleeping. So many people could live in a box

[@Hysteresis11]

Shelter thyself from any relief. Words I've lived by.

[@mowtivatedmechanic1172]

I did something similar twice. First time I was homeless but working my ass off and paying for flying lessons. (Now I’m a corporate pilot). Second time was going through a second divorce and chose to live out of my truck because she was insufferable. Both times I came out on top (Thank God) and my life now is totally epic. I’m grateful everyday for my life today. But I can live out of my truck if it got that bad.

[@mrcrhartman]

@@mowtivatedmechanic1172 I won't say it's a ton of fun, but sometimes that's just what you need to do.

[@warningsigns4526]

we are a 3rd generation family, living under one roof, home schooling, self-employed, and we live that way - stayed away from credit and seeking approval, serving God, not man

[@WaveLord14]

Mega based

[@theempoweredman7353]

Based AF!!!

[@coasteyscoasteys4150]

​@WaveLord14 not sure what that means but comment above is winning

[@isaacwojo3273]

@@coasteyscoasteys4150It’s a term the zoomers made up. It’s said when someone does a conservative thing that is cool.

[@proprgent]

How's God treating you these days?

[@sparklessconnectionselectrical]

Happiness is now a pick up truck with a manual transmission.

[@VenturiLife]

Millenial anti-theft device.

[@tedsell1455]

Right on 👍

[@aaroncostello8812]

Best comment I have read today. 💯

[@marks-0-0]

Add a double garage to the pickup truck then you've made it, park on one side live on the other side.

[@skylinefever]

Dodge Cummins 12V

[@garylester3976]

Its worse than you know.. new study out, 30 million men have disappeared off the labor radar, not Mike Rowe's 7 million. Mgtow level 5 at work. Every man building his own lifeboat on the Titanic. Garden seeds sales are up, Hunting and fishing license sales are up, Self Sufficiency and cabin in the woods are things in the Manosphere. And guys are even helping other guys escape the plantation. The tub is draining like a sieve... Yesterday, did a town trip, bought a monster salt water sized casting reel, and made a lay away payment on a MIG welder.... What do they have in common? both part of my escape plan... All I do with my money is work towards self sufficiency... Been at this for years... No Parasites for me! So its not just about a flatscreen and video games.... its about getting out of the system and to more wholesome lives.

[@zelenicaljubljanica5410]

a big under noticed factor is men withdrawing from the workforce because they don't want to help it. it's doing things they see as harmful and it's immoral to participate. many, many qualified and skilled people have withdrawn their productivity for this reason and are just finding other things to do. as long as they're not helping this destructive system, they are achieving their goal and are content. anything they do with the spare time is gravy.

[@garylester3976]

@@zelenicaljubljanica5410 Yeah, I got out decades ago. went from doing construction to tropical permaculture. Sure many others got fed up with the Academic management plague, and found their own exit from the theater quietly after smelling smoke. It happened in Rome too, most note worthy were the bachelors. But I'm sure all kinds loaded up Donkey carts and Ox wagons and moved to the provinces. There was a shift. Likely common since the stone age when Tribal leadership got too decadent. Guys started slipping out, and as food supply was affected. Sure women made the realization that those guys they laughed at Weren't as stupid as they thought. No doubt interesting love letters got sent to guys in far provinces, Roman women hoping the one they remembered hadn't hooked up with some Barbarian girl yet... That the food in the city market wasnt looking good or as affordable. And the Barbarian cheap labor seemed more problematic. Basically its a biological overshoot event, thats expressed socially in humans, and those who get out earliest do best. Can take wealth and materialism with them... The last leave with what they can carry on their backs, or as Captive Slaves.

[@clydedoris5002]

If everyone is self sufficient off the grid then nobody is all the fish and game will die out forcing society's to form again I think having a skill that's in demand would be a better alternative

[@garylester3976]

@@clydedoris5002 Specialization always leads to extinction in nature when conditions change. Conditions are changing.

[@miguelpereira9859]

Link to the study?

[@KojaVukovic]

I love this, society pushed us this way, now we will take our talents somewhere else until something drastic changes.

[@morganmosley5136]

Amen, let women have society.

[@Nerotique]

When they have it, it's soysciety.

[@marcusmcgraw3519]

Society pushed you that way because men ruined tons of previous generations of women. I will not be like you guys and hold myself accountable for previous generations of men being abusive and problematic

[@johnmcaulay8448]

Women will start World War 3, they are strong & independent, they can fight the War they started themselves.

[@The2ndFirst]

@@robert.9028 One has to manage their fucks. I don't give a fuck about a society that has told me I don't matter.

[@Hawtload]

millennial men: can't afford anything because jobs aren't paying and living is too expensive economy: stop threatening me!

[@SpiKSpaN-ei6zq]

Gen z and alpha are in for a reality check.

[@deker0954]

They are the ones who need to worry about inflation.

[@richardtibbetts574]

I’ve learned to HATE “stuff”. My mom is a hoarder, and I have been asked to move, and or arrange it all, countless times, even though she has lived in the same apartment for 13 years. It’s all good stuff, but there’s just too much of it. You literally can’t move around in her place without bumping into something, and knocking it over. I can’t stand to be in that apartment.

[@beloved-child]

Hoarders are the worst, and most w0m3n hoarders only horde trash or their own f3c3s. It's so gross.

[@hyperteleXii]

My mom had a literal box of rocks last time I helped her move. We laughed about it, but then I went home and recycled all of my stuff.

[@ShiroiKiba]

I've learned the same; and if I want a "thing" I'll just make it. Is it as good of a product as a company specialized into making that same "thing" would be? Definitely not, but I also know what I made and how to maintain it. Sometimes homemade stuff even lasts longer than store-bought.

[@vladildikan]

I feel that, my room was always the family storage unit. And when I moved out it took about a month for my new place to start being stuffed with their belongings that weren't worth bringing with them to another state. I can never find my things anymore.

[@tuffguydoe7937]

lol my mom is the same way but with useless and duplicates of stuff. She even has a storage unit with more stuff in it. Convincing my mom to toss crap away comes with heated discussions. What i find annoying is my mom pointing out other peoples collections of items/crap

[@oldscratch3535]

I once quit my job with about $400 to my name. I ended up not working at a real job for the next 5 years. I made plenty of money buying/selling at local flea markets and doing odd jobs for people. I learned that I really don't need a whole lot of money to sustain myself. That was the best move I ever made b/c up until that point I was shit with my money. I have a gravy job now. I work 3 days a week and made $54K last year. I don't plan on quitting this job unless something comes along that is double the salary b/c you can't beat having 4 days off each week.

[@swojnowski453]

you can. Being off 5 days a week is even better!

[@audie-cashstack-uk4881]

My brother has lived like this his entire life now 48 yrs old never left home same home from age 3 never lived with a woman other than are mother who died 2005 his never worked learned a skill attended a collage buys and sells anything has 1 million pounds under the matress never paid income tax drives a vw golf R .

[@coasteyscoasteys4150]

​@@swojnowski453even better but harder to get there

[@WinnietheDepressedBear]

What do you do for a living, im joining the army next month

[@kkarllwt]

Worked 4 10 hour shifts for a year. second shift starting a 2. Fri,sat,sun off.The best if you have to work

[@flechette3782]

This is true. After I went through a nasty divorce and had to pay my ex a bunch of money I went into super-frugal mode. What I discovered is that before the divorce my wife and I were pulling well into the 6 figures and felt like we were still struggling, but after the divorce I was fine when living alone and only drew $35k per year salary from my business. That's it. That was all that I was spending. The other $120k or so we made before the divorce was unneeded. Somehow *we* were spending most of it. Obviously *I* was not. Interestingly, since I was not drawing as much off my business my business took off. This shows you how much drag that women was putting on me.

[@PeterLawton]

Same, basically. Made good money for years; accumulated huge debt anyway; divorced; paid off all debt, lived frugally, and saved aggressively, then bought a mountain [sic] with no debt. Despite my own mistakes, that's when I knew spending wasn't a *me* problem.

[@brent4073]

Women always want to renovate or fix something, or travel. It just costs a lot!

[@BrokenWill]

I can concur as I have dropped out of society in my 40's. I spend very little. My investments and savings will last me about 100 years at this rate.

[@Larry_Sycamore]

It's really fantastic being in your 40s as a man with no wife/no divorce grapings, and just being content with the few simple things we need.

[@AnthonyLauder]

Yep, I retired age 42, and with my low expenses due to being single, my accountant said I have enough to live off until I am 150. Can't think of any reason why I would want a job or a woman. I have everything I need.

[@thomasbrown7728]

Me too, I drove 18 wheelers, lived in the truck. Had my things in storage unit. Never married, no kids. Quit working at 50.. 12 years ago. Doing great.

[@Mark65845]

It’s never wise to piss off somebody who can harm you by doing nothing.

[@thepassdude5173]

This is definitely impacting the nation. The current 23% decline in the birth rate means a decline of potential resources for those who seek cash, prizes, alimony and child support from divorce. Looks like the free ride is coming to an end ladies.😂😂😂

[@user-ff8rs7gk6r]

Don't worry, draconian single people laws are coming your way. Prepare to be taxed at a MUCH higher rate for being single.

[@Genevasplaytime]

We need to stop immigrants propping up the mess

[@marks-0-0]

@@Genevasplaytime the declining birth rate is the reason there is a frantic grab all around the world for young immigrants of any kind. The governments won't admit it but thats what i believe. The plan might well tear apart a countries culture but they need to secure tax payers into the future.

[@skylinefever]

@@Genevasplaytime This is exactly why it won't happen. The C suite demands a neverending supply of producers and consumers. They don't w\ant to be like feudal lords after the plague.

[@manager4409]

We're taking in millions of third worlders every year

[@MarsGundam]

Yup and I'm far happier with less. This era is more about being a consumer. Aside from replacing what needs to be replaced and a lot of what's shoved in our faces we don't need. From crap food to shitty electronics, I've realized I wasted a lot of cash on useless or very momentary products. Just ask yourself guys, "Do I really need that?" Most of the time the answer is NO.

[@CarWavExe]

yeah been looking at cars and if i wanted to atract women id get the new 40k SUV but tbh since that stuff doesn’t matter rather have an old honda for 5k and maybe an old sports car for 5-7k and im set for life

[@oldguy7402]

Married to a first wife who spent more than we earned consistently. Volvo when it was cool, 2 houses in 3 years, looking at a 3rd to keep moving to a "better neighborhood". I dumped her. Married a woman who loved me for me. I started with literally 0 assets after divorce. Second wife and I were very frugal. Started a career in tech, retired with 6 figure salary, and now still well below our means. First wife? Sued by rest of family for embezzling money from her father's estate when he had dementia. I'm assuming still going paycheck to paycheck. Now my goal is to live comfortably for longer than she stays alive.

[@The2ndFirst]

I was schooled very early in life about that from a male figure in my life at a young age. "Want vs Need". It was a wise bit of truth to pass on. I still hear his voice in my head every purchase. That voice doesn't always win, but it's always there.

[@largervoid1708]

EXACTLY.... EVERYTHING I BUY IS BASE ON NEED, NEVER OR RARELY ON WANT...

[@MajimaEnterprises]

@@CarWavExe I live in the UK and when I see someone driving a big gas guzzler, I assume they're a dr*g dealer. I feel like they're the only people who can still afford to run them in the area I live in. Everyone else has switched to economy cars.

[@raymond_sycamore]

Yep, my total cost of living for 2023 came out to $17,613.

[@SteveNoverini]

I have a family of 4 and we were close to 20k. No debt. House paid off

[@raymond_sycamore]

@@SteveNoverini congrats on finding a woman willing to breed with you. That is more than I have accomplished in life, for sure.

[@SteveNoverini]

@@raymond_sycamore it’s frequent headaches but yeah… thanks. I think people envy us but it isn’t all roses and sunshine I assure you.

[@raymond_sycamore]

@@SteveNoverini I'm sure it isn't, but you have A FAMILY. That's something most men will never see.

[@Genevasplaytime]

Now just drink water and cut alcohol and coke

[@vibrolax]

Back when there were shipping malls, 80%+ of the merch was for females. Now that guys have stopped paying for all that stuff, the malls are dead.

[@cattysplat]

Uhh, that spending never went away. Now these women just sit at home and have it delivered to them by delivery men, whilst they set record obesity levels.

[@przemyslawgawel8501]

10/10 you can’t believe how minimal we can get!

[@marcusmcgraw3519]

Given men's total lack of standards with women, I absolutely can

[@davidcarvajal5739]

Homeless people the most minimalist

[@MustafaKulle]

What scares those in power the most is that men can live with so little and still be happy. This is what made boys into men for thousands of years. Nothing is going to change that. Real men win. 👊🤘🔥

[@hyperteleXii]

One of the most profound realizations I've ever had was that I'm always carrying everything I need - brain, brawn, clothes, a few tools. I can literally walk anywhere, or cycle on a bike, sleep under a military rain cloak, eat dry uncooked food, and probably feel more alive than at my desk.

[@erikmajaron1247]

Yesss!

[@mysteriesphanto3528]

And when you think about Jesus didn’t need much to live he lived a very minimalist life style I mean dude was ok on very little And yet he’s the son of god and the king of the stars

[@Acvdsxbfz]

“You will own nothing and be happy”

[@neilmcdougall4927]

Bless us all

[@jasonlommen4769]

I was married 10 years ago, got divorced, she got everything. I had to start all over. I went backwards a decade. I said the hell with it and bought a really nice RV, paid cash, that was six years ago and haven’t looked back. I live simple And it works just fine for me. I camp and shoot my guns a little bit and I’m happy as can be. I have zero debt, do what I want, when I want. I don’t even own a TV.

[@djjukeboxhero6491]

What RV did you buy?

[@tedlogan4867]

This not only may happen, it IS happening. It's already starting right now. Sooner than most comprehend, the power will start going out, and not just for a few hours, fuel will run short, not just at a gas station or two, food will start to become scarce, not just a few things, but nearly everything. Winter is coming

[@SweatyFatGuy]

Then it would be a good idea for other men to do what I have been doing since 2007. Produce ethanol yourself, modify your vehicles to get very good mileage and lots of power on it (easy to do) and in doing the fuel thing you can use it to produce a lot more food and heat for your home. Buy a generator large enough to power your home, produce methane and ethanol to run it, direct the exhaust into a water tank sitting in a greenhouse, and the plants will grow like mad with all the Co2 and water they have available. You don't have to be a consumer. You can be a producer real easy.

[@JeffCaplan313]

Days of Isaiah.

[@hauntngu4002]

​@SweatyFatGuy Where do you begin making ethanol, or even diesel?

[@jimsimpson1006]

@@SweatyFatGuybelieve me, you're preaching to the converted. But it can't work for a guy like me living in a crummy apartment. 😕

[@Ominiumshadow24]

Wtf are you talking about. Winter is here.

[@BrandonLeech]

I even quit paying rent and am doing the van life thing. That was $6k a year down the shitter just putting money in somebody else’s pocket. Not saying anybody should sell their house and do that but if you’re renting, that’s money you have a guaranteed zero percent chance of ever seeing again.

[@RealJayNice]

Van life seems fun just have your own things in there and drive and not be bothered by anyone and stack your money up.💯

[@moneyobsessed]

even as a landlord you are renting, just from the state with property taxes. A refitted car/van can cost less than 2k/month on a 10 year depreciation schedule.

[@BrandonLeech]

@@moneyobsessed At least a house or even just a piece of property to park a van or RV on is a hard asset you can sell later and it might even appreciate a little. So all the money you paid in payments isn't totally gone forever like it is with paying rent.

[@moneyobsessed]

consider unless you live in a condo, costs of ownership/upkeep can be high on a longer timescale, obviously a RV cant be considered an investment, more like a lifestyle choice@@BrandonLeech

[@brusso456]

that is what I paid for a 1 room studio in 2002, then 2 years later it was $750 a month. and I left.

[@chasecarter8848]

I sleep on a couch in a metal shop with a sink and toilet, no shower. It's mostly garage doors and heated only by a ceramic gas heater. Concrete floors, tooling everywhere. I set up a hot plate and microwave and coffee pot along one wall. I eat sleep work and entertain myself in this same space. I shower every several days at a friend's place, or at the gym. I have a PlayStation and a big tv. I am happier here alone than in any fine house or with any woman I've known, and I've known a few of both. I have only myself of to please, and as you see, I'm easily pleased. I'm not poor by any means, I choose to live in my shop because I like it here, I like it like this. I do what I want, when I want, and I fix things so they suit me, not some post modern unrealistic consumerist lie of what life is suppose to be like. I find the company of women unwanted, and frankly annoying at this age, and I'm not old, just no longer young. Sheetrock is dumb, pegboard is practical. Carpet is dumb, concrete is practical. I think that the influence of women is only not destructive to practical and efficient living to the extent that they have no real input. That is, now that they seem to think their frivolity and hysteria are valid arguments, they are simply intolerable. Oh, and I haven't bought a valance, nor looked at a paint chip, nor performed work solely for cosmetic purposes since they put my ex wife away. I'm never going back into a "normal house" and I won't tolerate any woman making any demands of me ever again. They just aren't worth it.

[@kkarllwt]

Paint. I make things for my use. house and shop. It isn't finished unless it is painted. missmatched qts and gals from the big box stores or estate sales.

[@cattysplat]

Everything about women is the antithesis to practicality. So much they literally turn their homes into show homes that are not for living in, only showing off.

[@1BuFo]

so what if it isn't finished? He's comfy, that's all that matters. Also look at you, acting like a woman, telling him what he should be doing. @@kkarllwt

[@deker0954]

Walmart has gone with bare concrete.

[@comicrandomness3289]

I used to have a boss, more like supervisor, who would sleep at the shop. He came from the Midwest to southern California. As long as we got the job done he was fine with us and taking our time. He unfortunately had a gambling addiction and got caught. He went back home to his parents.

[@anthonywilliams7052]

Whooooamun - the most expensive thing, then they get everything you have in a divorce. Not worth it.

[@marcusmcgraw3519]

How are women expensive when sex is free and costs nothing for either party. This may be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I've never spent more than $50 on a girl in my life

[@ltb1345]

@@marcusmcgraw3519 Okay Chad. You've gotta understand that sex costs a lot more than $50 for most men.

[@marcusmcgraw3519]

@@ltb1345 That's because you guys have no clue how to stop being desperate for women. If you want to attract them, stop treating them as social status objects and prizes to be won and start treating them as people. It's not as complicated as you're making it, but you refuse to see the light

[@mowtivatedmechanic1172]

Both sides of this have validity. Women for seggs are fairly cheap. Women as partners (wives) are expensive AF.

[@coprilettodelnapoli5466]

​@@marcusmcgraw3519ok, simp. Now let men talk.

[@menguardingtheirownwallets6791]

It used to be that vvomen said to men: "Get rich and I will marry you and have your children", so men worked hard to get rich. Now vvomen say to men: "I don't need you, I don't even want you around me creep!", so men wander around for a few years, stunned in shock at how much they are now despised by vvomen, but once they get used to that fact they realize that life is good and they can just work a little bit and enjoy life quite a lot.

[@stereo-soulsoundsystem5070]

whats crazy is when women realize they can be independent in the work force and men realize their value is dependent on themselves and not the women they engage with.

[@elduquecaradura1468]

​@@stereo-soulsoundsystem5070what is crazy about that?

[@A.C.E.]

Kinda nailed the numbers there. Single 23 year old making about $54K a year right now. Need about $1800 a month to be my ideal level of comfortable living wise. Rent and utilities paid (I live alone) gas in my car, shop at Aldi for almost everything, gym membership, drive an ‘06 Camry (and will into the ground). Then throw the rest into retirement, brokerage, and savings (in that order). Life ‘aight sometimes

[@flintb6559]

There will be many women that will try to get some of that salary off you. Be ready.

[@A.C.E.]

@@flintb6559 oh my friend I'm well aware. This ain't no charity. I have enough money for me and my financial goals. Stay smart out there, and thanks for your warning as well

[@prettyboyjeremy]

At 27 at 62K Outside House and car that's about 2100 off the bat my next biggest cost is Internet at $65. I practically spend no money most of the month

[@Visstnok]

Strive for 1 bitcoin in self-custody before putting anything into the rugpullable financial system.

[@A.C.E.]

@@Visstnok I personally trust the index more than any crypto. I understand you want to diversify, but I don’t like it as of now. To each their own

[@stevenc.6502]

Men don't have to live an extreme minimalist lifestyle to live on less money. They can shop around for bargains, and then not replace everything every few years. They can also not buy things to impress other people, just buy things they intend to use and enjoy. When I was young; I had a nicely furnished living space in someone else's basement, no car, no brand-name clothes, and my own library. I used to visit museums, the zoo, and go to the repertory cinema.

[@vladildikan]

The only thing i need to be happy is a computer i can game on. Everything else is a luxury.

[@mbrady2329]

Many of my belongings are 25-30 years old, and they continue to serve me very well; some others were careful second-hand purchases, or were gifted to me by their previous owners. The saying, "Buy cheap, buy often" has never been more relevant that it is today!

[@Scourgewor]

Reminds me of those shows where couples get shown a house and the woman is saying 'I don't like those countertops, the whole kitchen needs to be replaced. I don't like the carpet or the tiles, the floors need to be redone...' and the guy is just saying 'hey there's plenty of room in the basement. The garage has a concrete floor'

[@deangerber1797]

Yeah what simps they sound like! That woman gets all she wants and the dude is left paying for it ALL

[@skibum914]

Lived in a studio apt with roommate (fraternity brother) for about 15 years. Never married, no kids, now have a million dollar townhome in best neighborhood in Denver, Co. No one ever took my savings and I retired comfortably at 58 yrs old, now 60. I am somewhat of a minimalist...I don't waste on emotion driven shit and have great toys for outdoor fun...budget wise and enjoy life spending for comfortable needs...no woman necessary at this point in my life. Cheers!

[@luvr381]

I fully expect the government to institute a bachelor tax.

[@improvisedsurvival5967]

They already do

[@Toshinben]

There's an entire backdoor bachelor tax system already in place. Married couples get a lower tax rate when filing jointly, and single moms get a lot of handouts. Nothing for men.

[@skylinefever]

I wonder what happens when it gets argued as a tax on gay men? I think it may be the one thing that gets in the way.

[@improvisedsurvival5967]

@@skylinefever they will make a loophole for married gay men.

[@dsc3275]

Then men will continue to drop out of the workforce, or, history shows us that single men deal with oppression in ways that result in the oppressors not existing any longer. We all need to remember that men can survive and will do anything, no matter how ruthless, to do so.

[@toweringhorse2054]

Reminds me of a coworker who recently had a divorce, she was caught cheating, he tried to make things work still and she filed for divorce and is attempting to take everything from him. He’s currently living in a cheap apartment, has essentially 20% of what he did before, is now plays baldur’s gate 3 all day while being the happiest person he’s ever been. While I don’t want that to happen to anyone, I think that proves your point

[@1983jcheat]

I turned 40 recently. Unless I need to spend money, nothing is spent. Rent, Gas, food and insurance.

[@nilomardesouza5]

And for what ? To leave it all to others or the state ? Looks like you didnt get what minimalism means : it is after all not make money for more than what you will consume.

[@BNOBLE981]

@@nilomardesouza5 You taken into consideration emergencies, that need a lump sum of cash, eg, your car getting written off in an accident, doctors bills, not being able to work for an extended period etc... nothing wrong with having some savings in reserve for when you need them.

[@1983jcheat]

​@BNOBLE981 Yeah. Growing up in NJ, things were pricey. Emergencies came up a couple times a year. I'm trying to retire before 60.

[@hybbfr727]

if you live in a place with good transit you don't even need gas

[@1983jcheat]

​@hybbfr727 In Delaware and South Jersey, you need a car.

[@WoebringerofDoom]

I'm seriously considering living in my van and getting a pobox and saying screw it to the whole house owning and paying rent and going super minimalist and enjoying my life and being free of all the people and stress. I'm sick of cleaning up after people who I have too live with.

[@lagaul5124]

That picture describes me perfectly. I have a lot of money saved, but I hardly spend any of it while I continue to make more. I sleep on the floor, the chair I'm sitting in was free, the desk my computer is on was free, I have no dept, and I cook almost all of my meals. I own little that I don't actively need or use aside from emergency food, supplies, tools and gear. I did construction for 8 years and now I just do low tier yardwork. It's low stress job that allows me listen to podcasts and audiobooks all day. For entertainment I have access to anything you can do on a computer.

[@the_leveraged_accountant2890]

Male minimalist here ✋ there are many people in my life who would be shocked at how I live and what my house looks like. But, I own a home with 30% equity in it, and am stacking cash and investments. Aiming to retire at 45, not 65. No wife and no kids means I don’t have to work for an extra 20 years

[@stereo-soulsoundsystem5070]

Hold on wait. What the fuck does equity mean? And I study stuff like the housing market and real estate. But I don't what equity actually is besides a buzzword

[@the_leveraged_accountant2890]

@@stereo-soulsoundsystem5070 … it is widely used to refer to the difference between the value of your home (what it could likely sell for at current market price) and how much you still owe on the loan (mortgage). It is not a buzzword. The problem is most average people overestimate their home’s current market value; they may not incorporate the repair costs necessary to bring it to full market value. I am always conservative with my estimates and what I think I can sell something for; so, taking things like that into account, I have a roughly 30% difference between what I owe on my property vs. what it is worth on the current real estate market where I live.

[@theproplady]

Here's my media setup: Flat Screen TV: found in a friend's apartment's trashroom and works fine: $0 Roku Device: Received as gift: Original cost : $18.00 DVD Player and VCR (for my old media collection): Received as gifts: $0 Chromebook (used to play media files or access internet for KZbin videos): $75 Wheeled cart just big enough to hold everything: Gotten from thrift store: $10.00 So, for about 100 dollars plus monthly hi-speed internet fee, I can watch pretty much anything. Throw in a portable hard drive full of -ahem- legitimately acquired movie files and I'm set. Yes, it would be nice to have the 4K 100 inch wide TV and all of the streaming channels, but I don't think it would be worth the price I'd have to pay.

[@mowtivatedmechanic1172]

Freedoms priceless.

[@Bawkr]

It's bs. 1080p is the way. Low res LED panels are power misers especially 60hz ones. I understand the upgrades I see the difference but when you consider how many more hours worked to either upgrade or keep up with the Joneses, wow you are talking about some serious waste. If I have have (sometime) copious amounts of money I might get 3x 240hz gsync 3k displays. Half the people with 4k displays can't even afford to use them on a regular basis with hardware capable of utilizing them. 4k displays last I checked, been awhile were 3 times the power consumption of 1080, not counting GPU usage. My power bills are nothing in the summer and I'm working on minimizing them in the winter.

[@blazingfuryoffire1]

@@Bawkr beyond power consumption, the storage side favors 1080p for live action and 720p for older anime.

[@machupikachu1085]

Consider getting a projector. My HD projector was around $400 new. just shine it on a wall, and set up the color wheel. Super portable too. Cheers!

[@Spartan11117777]

I gave up TV Channels so long ago, it’s just been KZbin for quite a while now.

[@nexusdrop7863]

I know! I love how we are starting to get some concern from the government. If men have no reason to strive then all that productivity ceases.

[@lihtan]

A couple years ago my contracting business came to sudden end overnight when my vehicle, along with all my tools were stolen. What ended up happening is that I switched over to having a bicycle-centric lifestyle. Not paying for vehicle expenses, allowed me to put more money back into my pocket. My health and physical fitness improved enormously as well.

[@vf19blue]

"Every cloud has a silver lining "

[@billw6903]

Awesome , i have a friend who does this in la. I like to ride bike to the job but im happy to use a old minivan to make it practical to bring the tools and supplies

[@cattysplat]

Huge chance that theft was caused by the drugs epidemic too. More lost men searching for hedonism in an uncaring world.

[@stereo-soulsoundsystem5070]

Yo what how did that happen a whole truck with tools stolen and not recovered??

[@lihtan]

@@stereo-soulsoundsystem5070 The vehicle was recovered about a week later, minus the cat. I never saw my tools ever again. Due to the damage from the theft, the vehicle then sat in parking garage for months.

[@edenbreckhouse]

I earn £30 an hour self employed. When I consider buying something I work out how many hours of my time I;'d have to work to buy that object. Often I don't buy because I';d rather have the time not working instead.

[@Jay-eb7ik]

bingo

[@markeberle3984]

The "Fight Club" house, that is literally all we need. I am Jack's lack of desire, Jack checked out.

[@greenwendal5056]

My house is pretty much the fight club house. It's 120 years old. No heating. I have to turn the mains stop cocks on to get water. Everything is broken or has a weird quirk to get to work.

[@dirigoelectric]

90% of all men I know would live with way less, buy way less, and live more simple if they weren’t married or living with a woman. My late wife kept me strapped to the grind wheel for 37 years. Best thing that ever happened to me when she died. I have a life now. I should have gone through with divorce the day my last kid graduated

[@Overt_Erre]

It becomes even darker when you realize that if a man gets bored of his porn and playstation and tv shows, all you got on your hands is literally a man with nothing to lose.

[@SeattlePioneer]

Yes, but why should a man get bored?

[@RonnieMyers777]

"The things you own, end up owning you" -Fight Club

[@DamienZachariah]

A couple of years ago, I was in hospital for weeks. It gave me time to think. I realised that I can ditch 80-85% if what I own. Most if it is just crap anyway. This is an ongoing project now and I am in no way any worse off. I am much happier without all the extra crap. If you multiply that by tens of millions of men no wonder they are worried ! Without a Wallet Vampire on our cases we really don't need much at all. The dream of a house and family is dead for many of us as commented on elsewhere. keep up the good work. From a MGTOW 3. Been full monk for years best decision I ever made! I strongly suggest looking at minimalist sites for further details. Stay strong brothers, if nothing else it's been an amazing journey of amongst other things learning about the absolute BS society feeds us. General Rule: whatever society says believe the opposite .

[@michaelmurphy6869]

I like that term "Wallet Vampire". Saids it all.

[@barry5138]

Yes, if it's promoted, do the direct opposite. A rule to live by!

[@terryeleeemail]

Well said and your general rule is correct.

[@theashdey9383]

That's EXACTLY what happened in Rome. Roman men got sick and tired of being taxed like crazy, being forced to serve in the army and being disrespected by women. So lots of them left Rome. Then Rome and the women were screwed.

[@brent4073]

Dont forget their currency getting watered down too in order to fight ever more distant wars..

[@williamseigler3408]

I’m 71 years old. I’m still working. I even help my wife with her job. We live low on the hog, house paid off, and money in the bank. I recently paid off my pretty little Cessna 150, which I hope to use to tour the country after I retire. We could even cut our expenses further if we wanted to, but why bother. For you young guys, if you can bring yourselves to stay away from the golden vjj, there is a ton of money to be made in the trades. College has become a ripoff and Marxist indoctrination centers. I know because I teach at a college. Wise up while you are young, don’t wait like I did. Good luck gents.

[@karansena]

I echo with you. I learnt more about the world when I started working after college.

[@josephstevens9888]

If I had to do it all over again, I would have gone into the trades. Good luck with your retirement plans - hopping around the county in a Cessna 150 sounds like an adventure!

[@ardalwinterborn]

This is why the Machine needs men to be willing to marry women, because without a wife, most men are relatively frugal.

[@carolwelcome3348]

This is why the machine previously prevented women from working. They HAD to marry for survival. Which of course pushed the men to work more to provide for her and the children that would inevitably come along. Both genders had their roles manipulated by the machine.

[@donwelch6612]

my net worth is $400k+ and climbing. i owe nothing. zero. i net $6500 a month. i live alone in a 2 bedroom i bath house. i drive a ford escape. i keep to my self. i have been married 3 times. mgtow. couldn't be happier. seriously guys. protect your assets. by the way...i am 75 years old and am in complete control. mgtow and never look back.

[@vipeton.8927]

Do you have kids?

[@mowtivatedmechanic1172]

Would you like to adopt one?😂 (he’s in his 40’s though)

[@largervoid1708]

Well, after 3 failed marriages even a donkey becomes MGTOW....

[@SeattlePioneer]

> Oh dear! Slow learner?! I am 74, never married and no children. I have a net worth of several million $$ and no debt.

[@guidoschaarschmidt8770]

@@SeattlePioneer I married Zero. And it stay so.

[@law844]

My rent is $6000 a year. Furnished, All utilities and internet included. I know guys that a married with kids and they both have to work because they need that much each month. I’ll pass on that stress.

[@robertchapman6795]

That’s why I’m hated by government and big business. I only buy what I need. I rarely buy new also.

[@deanchur]

Had a decent pair of headphones, a new phone (to replace the Galaxy Note 3 I was still using in 2023; 3G network is shutting down so no call functionality), and a new laptop on my shopping list. Got headphones for half off RRP because used, "new" phone for half price because barely used and laptop for 60% off because 2yo refurb with a 15% discount.

[@winstonh7094]

This is your permission to start doing more LIVING now. Hobbies: cooking, music, art, poetry. Go out into nature. I got everything I want already. Now I just want to feel more alive being in the present moment and be an instrument to reveal beautiful energy that makes others find more inspiration to live. There's this stream we have to surrender and let ourselves be taken up into where creative magic can happen.

[@impudentdomain]

yup, I retired early and am doing things I like as the weather and my health permit, And a big middle finger to most of society.

[@spiritanimal7516]

True, you can't rely on other people for your happiness

[@mikefleek9259]

LOOk at what Davinci, Michelangelo and other men accomplished. No divorce courts.

[@MrWaterbugdesign]

I dropped out 22 years ago at 45. I was a software engineer, loved it. But wanted to live differently and love the freedom. I own my house in central Phoenix. I have a super Japanese garden I created. I can walk everywhere so I fill my car gas tank once or twice a year. My total spend for the past 15 years has been $600/mo while my house has appreciated an average of $2000/mo. Because I live off savings my income is $0 so I don't have to file Fed or state income tax forms, get free healthcare (Medicaid), free smartphone (LifeLine), free internet (ACP). If I converted my living room into a woodshop. I live in one bedroom. Don't run the heat in winter and turn off the hot water heater in summer. It feels like camping. Love it. Could never live this way if I were married. I've been fixing up my house to sell in 2025 and will then move to SE Asia for my next adventure. I'll have $600k cash and $5800/mo income ($3800 from Social Security which I haven't needed to take yet). There I'll have no problem finding a great young (18-30 no problem) beautiful woman thrilled to be with me, take care of me. And I can afford a live-in housekeeper ($100-200/mo USD), live-in trained caregiver ($500-1000/mo). If she wants kids, no problem. Nanny $100-200. If I pass my kids will be covered by the Social Security survivor benefit and get $2800-6800/mo depending how many kids until 18. That's 5x-10x more than a doctor earns there working in even a private hospital. Why would a guy work if all our basic needs are met? Why would an American man ever have kids in the US? We can only father kids here. The mother and the courts determine how my kids would be raised here. I would just get the bill and be forced to work. I'm thrilled American women are so into their careers. Let them earn and pay taxes. I'm happy being taken care of.

[@elhazthorn918]

My mother was absolutely a wasteful person. I used to watch her throw away about $200 every week on food nobody ate, or clothes and plates nobody would use. It drove me nuts because I was struggling to pay off multiple loans and sometimes resorted to skipping meals because I thought that $10 could be put somewhere else. She spent more on speeding tickets in a month than I did on food in three months. She smashes an iPad my father bought her because he said she was on Facebook too much, and still bought her a new one.

[@covertcounsellor6797]

More great content, Aaron! Love the book. I especially like your referencing of the idiotic feminist that trotted out the line “(men) lean out, we (women) got this”. Well, as women get more and more power, it’s more and more obvious that they (women) don’t “got this”. Society has suffered technological stagnation, plummeting population, less stable economy, skyrocketing mental illness rates and an epidemic of male self-deletion. Clearly, they (XXs) ain’t “got it” and minimalism is an adaptive response.

[@user-zk9tg9tr4b]

It's almost like those old guys of the past that wrote all those supposed means books on how to run a civilization actually knew what they were talking about from experience. who would've thought but here we are re-learning things which were already known over 200 years ago. And we call them dumb? I think we should look in the mirror and there we will see the idiot.

[@the_expidition427]

@@user-zk9tg9tr4b Then men did a dumb

[@cattysplat]

@@user-zk9tg9tr4b Industrialisation was always about putting women and uneducated immigrants into the workplace with idiot proof machines to devalue men's artisan labor, whilst also exterminating the children of tomorrow to make a few more dollars today.

[@shago90]

I remember there was one day here in mexico, in which women didnt come to work, or left their houses for whatever activity (school, etc) think it was on 2021 or 20 I dont remember, to aparently show society how important women are in their jobs and stuff, man there where students 15, 16, 17yo making bbqs at school where even male teachers joined, at my university me and some friends were speaking on how peacefull the environment was, and how there should be more days like that lol

[@loganwheeler1080]

Recently at my job we had two nights with no females and it was the best two nights us dudes have ever had while at work. It was so peaceful we had fun and got shit accomplished. We're still talking about it. 😢

[@ismaileee]

Modern economic model relies on high priced impulse purchases regularly - which means the ideal target are families and single career women with a credit card. Imagine if you are a single male who destroyed his credit card 😅

[@Dumah36]

We can know no other way. Shrinking middle class, jobs paying less yet asking for more to get them and prices rising all the whole. We are actively being slowly chock out.

[@raketensven3127]

Less possession also means less burden. A guy I know IRL, he is always concerned about the paint and the rims of his lambo and therefor barely drives it at all. And no, it wasn't meant to be just an investment. What's the point in having it then in the 1st place? Females have always been *THE* consumer, guess why male stuff is demonetized here or why they always get such an unproportional amount of CS or alimony... They had a bachelor tax back in the day...

[@brent4073]

There is a balance between minimalism and respect for yourself. I dont want to drive a rust bucket to work and show up in baggy, shredded business casual clothing bought in 2003..

[@BNOBLE981]

I don't know how they didn't realize men are minimalist in general, you only get the small portion of amount left over after the bills and family is taken care of to buy things you actually want. Is it such a surprise that when men are taught to sacrifice/put off the things they want for the good of the family/partner, that they don't actually end up needing much for themselves to not just survive but be happy when they are living alone.

[@brent4073]

Right? Looking back on my time growing up, my dad never spent money on himself. It all went to the family

[@mikemotorbike4283]

There are some who don't appreciate or perhaps don't want to face or acknowledge that men's jobs are often risky and offered as a sacrifice for weaker members to be safe. The need to consider gratitude isn't removed by safety laws, there is inconvenience associated with the fact life is just plain dangerous. Using power tools, repairing the house and car, operating heavy machinery at work. Women also sacrifice their lives for the vulnerable. Men are often out of sight when performing their duties, so we must remember men are still out there in winter hanging skilfully fixing power lines and generally navigating hard edges to make that trip to the grocery store possible.

[@Electric_]

This is a 10/10 video. When I met my wife I lived in a simplistic studio apartment with a computer desk, gaming PC, 32 inch TV, full sized bed, chair, spoon, fork, knife, mini fridge. All I needed and I was totally happy. But then I met this very beautiful Brazilian waitress, and while she never said anything about my apartment or lifestyle I wanted the best for her. I immediately started working on a graduate degree with my GI Bill from the Army, eventually got to the top of my field, started a business, and was very successful out of sheer determination. I bought her a big house with a pool by the ocean, a Porsche, and great things for our children. She’s a good woman and I have no doubt she would be with me if we had much less, but that’s why I’m all the more inspired to maximize my own capacity. I did all of this hard work basically to impress her and make her happier. Good, beautiful women inspire men to do things like build aqueducts, powerful militaries and world wonders. If conditions continue civilization will collapse. Patriarchy is a necessity for civilization.

[@angelnum18]

Good womens are also necessary to inspire mens, indeed, in WWII the red army fought fiercely while Katyusha song inspiring them up (song about a girl that wait for her loved one that return from the front). I don't see me working that hard for the specimens that are available right now

[@devilgames2217]

This is all part of the plan. Make women not worth fighting for (not worth the squeeze) and men will not reach their full potential, the west will fall.

[@KevinWarburton-tv2iy]

Don't buy that crap that there is such a thing as Patriarchy. It's a Myth.

[@JoseDiaz-rd9fh]

Women have always needed to be protected from themselves. Society preys on good men by default and they have little to no support. Women are encouraged to be terrible people and pretty much nothing stops them from taking advantage of men in committed relationships.

[@djjukeboxhero6491]

False.... women are time and resource thieves. Nicola Tesla never married and was one of the most important inventors to ever live.

[@jerryrichardson2799]

I'm a late Boomer and a liberal, and I frequently view things from a woman's perspective, I have a mother and sister, but you make some telling points, here. A lot of men can't take the risk of getting married or having children, in or out of a marriage, they can't afford a divorce or child support on less than about $50,000 a year. All the videos on living cheap, or out of a car or RV on KZbin, are popular for a reason. I figured out _some_ of this when I was still a child, I decided I wouldn't have children unless I had a lot of money. I've watched some guys get stuck with _one_ mistake. I've been lucky in _some_ ways, I got my BA cheap and figured out the pursuit of women would make me go broke, finally.

[@weirdshibainu]

Your numbers are ridiculous. You need at least 100k a year to be able to have any kind of life after a divorce and then, it would be a one bedroom apartment.

[@jerryrichardson2799]

​@@weirdshibainuNo, it's doable in _some_ parts of the country, but you're right, in many places it would take $100, 000.00 or more to carry it off. Voted up.

[@weirdshibainu]

@@jerryrichardson2799 Very few places. Many jurisdictions have a formula-1st child 18% of gross plus health insurance. 2 children 28% of gross plus insurance. If you're making 50k between taxes and insurance you're about 53% of gross. Almost impossible to live on that in any decent area. Additionally if you get a live in partner, their income is considered part of the household income and the payments increase based on the combined income.

[@davidowens1424]

In this whole equality discussion women focus on the CEO position and management and ownership. But I've never in my life seen a woman riding the back of a trash truck, climbing a telephone pole, putting a roof on a house. And so for there to be equality they need their fare share of all jobs, not just the desirable ones.

[@the_expidition427]

Saving this

[@deanchur]

Next time you see someone blather on about equality, mention "I think it's great that you're trying to get more men into Human resources and more women into bricklaying".

[@anthonyg.4761]

I think often of how simple and easy my life was before marriage, kids, divorce, do over. I would have so much more solo. Most every thing I felt I had to have was to make the wife and kids comfortable and insure my heirs got something when I die.

[@godogsgo100]

Also, never enter in to a contract where the woman is rewarded for breaking said contract!!

[@lashlarue7924]

Sounds like echoes of the same sort of stuff I hear about going on in Asia right now with the hikikomori shut-ins in Japan and the "let it rot" and "lying flat" movements in China. It's been like this for some time now. There is a really sound logic in maximizing your economic benefit by working less so they don't tax you as much and just living an ascetic lifestyle.

[@shaminoranger8588]

They break the domestic men, then they import fresh new immigrant men to do all the work that the domestic men are shunning. Classic princess behaviour: don't fix something that's broken, just demand a new one.

[@skylinefever]

That is also because the old people on top will do anything other than pay better.

[@the_expidition427]

@@skylinefever It's this

[@JohnMiller-iu2sx]

Me at 42 working on 7 acres to build an off grid cabin lol _Edit_ My man said a $300 tv... *laughing in $80 TV DVD combo*

[@AlexMathersFilms]

exactly my plan sir

[@theproplady]

One tip: Go look around Apartment trash rooms for TVs around Tax Refund time. A lot of people will get rid of perfectly good TVs so they can buy even bigger ones with their refund. I got one that way, and my friend found a 50" TV for his bedroom that still worked well.

[@JohnMiller-iu2sx]

@@theproplady put that as a main comment. Money and Amazon I've got, that said marketplace has hella deals on DVDs. Got 200 for a buck twenty five (I'm exaggerating.... A little)

[@ktowniecity7269]

recycling depots. ppl are fooled to give away tvs for a 50$ recycling refund that is a misnomer. the tvs are never recycled. give an gullible employee at the depot 10$, wait for them to bring the tv on the forlift to your car and you can get a very nice 500$-1000 tv. I did the same working there and sold a few tvs for a 400$ profit a pop. recycling is a massive scam@@theproplady

[@jtbrowne]

Men have been expected to “shake it off.” But after decades of being bashed, a lot of them are reasonably asking, “Why?”

[@user-oj4ll2bf6k]

I'm an Eastern European, I look at all this from the outside. I think you have the opportunity to fix all this, but you won’t have time. There are too many things that need to be corrected, too many people in power need to be replaced, but your enemies will not give you the opportunity to do this, and you are mistaken if you think that the US is now in shape to defeat them all, both external and internal enemies.

[@ButchersNailsEnjoyer]

Im so excited to see the tables turn in my lifetime as a zoomer. Most guys my age cant even hold a job longer than a month that is if theyve even worked before, and there’s zero encouragement or incentive for men my age and younger to go in to the trades or put in the extra work fir a job that can support a family. Women are gonna have to just deal with their car or toilet being broken unless they’re willing to either fix it themselves or pay like 4 times as much to get it fixed since those skills will be scarce.

[@_Patton_Was_Right]

I'm a millennial, I agree you guys have it even worse overall. But I've made over a million in the trades/real estate and there's even more opportunity now. If you can be consistent you can make fantastic money building stuff

[@codniggh1139]

I was raised in a family with money, maybe not millionaire, but very accommodated. I used to have most of the things I wanted and even more, but when I bought things and arrived to my home, I feel a very discomforting sensation inside me, but I wasn't aware of that so Ignored it. Some time ago, I began to make fastings, and felt unattached from my impulses, I began to become aware on how food was so related to anxiety and a lot of bad feelings, and suddenly I could separate food from that emotional necessity thanks to the contrast of the fasting. Thanks to that I became aware of many emotional sensations attached to things like buying, and remembered that when I bought things I felt nad, and that was because that made me feel empty, discomfortable. Its lot like buying things is not good, but when you calibrate your mind and awareness, you know that you need very little, and after that, is only pain. I began to realize why fasting is something practiced in every religion, and that independently of the relgiii, modern or lost, monks and religious began making themselves minimalists, but the objective was discipline, and minimalism is an expression of discipline. Discipline about our own impulses give us peace, and we can't be really spirituals if we don't pursue discipline in ourselves. We can only be religious or espiritual if we begin with ourselves, and that's the path to god or the universe, name it as you want. That's what religions talked about in a way or another, and that's why they wanted restrict also sex impulses, because every impulse that controls you is a factor to your demise, and sex is the very most destructive of all. For everything of this, we need habits, strong and disciplined habits. Waking the same time, sleeping the same time and habits on what to do immediately after wake up and before sleeping. You begin there, then you expand it to everything else. Fasting is the most powerful tool for this, the ris something incredibly spiritual on that, you need to experience it. 24 hours, 36 48 or even more. Women by the other hand, tended to be minimalist In other times, when they were connected with her womenhood, they were the ones administering the oney and resources, but after their false liberation, they began to expend like crazy. That was all about that liberation they very ones that began to make profit from that were companies like tobacco and etc. Now they are like a black hole.

[@mrstealyoblocks4473]

Being in the army for 12 years...then going to war for 6 months... with artillery and mortars coming in 24/7...really puts things in perspective. I drive a paid off van, have an army pension and paid off health care (Canadian Veteran)., I make over 100k a year, and live on *maybe*15k a year. The rest goes to investments. Only 6-7 more years and buying an acreage in the middle of nowhere and disappearing.

[@deangerber1797]

That having some land in the middle of nowhere may be a pipe dream. Thats what everyone wants!

[@landonray9517]

@@deangerber1797that’s what everyone says they want. 99% of people are too incompetent to do that.

[@AlaskanInsights]

my room had a couple bricks and a board to set stuff on.. we gotta support the construction supply industry

[@davidcawrowl3865]

It's that men have simply caught on to something (minimalism) very early in their lives that women happen upon and embrace several decades later into their lives. You underestimate the freedom that comes from minimalism. Men learn that much earlier.

[@Cyber-Rain]

The credit card debt ratio is going to change.

[@fjoa123]

95% of the things in my house belong to my wife.

[@lettybastien4624]

Truth, all my stuff is in two closets, in a two thousand square foot house.

[@toofast0253]

When I was dating/married I barely got by on 100k per year. Now that I live alone (and don't date), I get by just fine on 25k per year. Weird. Also, I realized that women NEED drama in their lives. Guess what? I don't. You can't put a value on peace and quiet.

[@28pbtkh23]

It’s frightening to read the number of comments that I have read from divorced men over the past week, where they state that their kids have nothing to do with them. This is due to their minds being poisoned by their mothers (the ex-wife) and turned against their own fathers. In the light of this, which man would want to get married?

[@unconventionalideas5683]

That’s a form of child abuse.

[@esra_erimez]

I don't think that is what the WEF meant by "You'll own nothing and be happy". Blow back

[@picivyvortac2641]

History time: Male minimalism is the reason feminism became a political force (after suffrage). Men are naturally more minimalist (more stuff requires more work to obtain for the hunter/gatherer) but the men coming back from world war 2 were EXTRA minimalist. These men had lived in holes and eaten week old rations from helmets. These men had been raised in the dust bowl/great depression. The men returning from war were SUPER minimalist and they were the bread winners. This was combined with the fact that companies were starting to use statistics to determine better ad strategies. They found that women are effected by advertising far more than men. So: 1. They needed women making money so that they would spend money that men would not. 2. It became almost universally normal in advertising (then politics) to pander to women, since pandering is 90% of advertising. What do you get when society panders to women and wants every one of them in the workplace so that they can spend more money as the more slad susceptible sex? Feminism. (Also, supply and demand. Double the workforce, half the labor cost.)

[@GoonyMclinux]

Theres no point in buying things when the criminals are running the country.

[@paulh7798]

The less you own, the higher your level of freedom.

[@Adam-rz4wr]

Indeed. I own only as much stuff as I can fit into my car. I can move anywhere I want at any moment. I'm not a nomad type of person, but knowing I'm not tied to any place gives me comfort on its own.

[@paulh7798]

@@Adam-rz4wr I'm planning to go to the extreme. I'll own a few clothes and knickknacks. Not even a car. If I don't like a situation, I can bounce in 30 min and never be seen again.