How many boat engines is too many?

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PeterSripol

PeterSripol

11 ай бұрын

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@dfgaJK
@dfgaJK 11 ай бұрын
I'm amazed how well the low camera angles make it look like a full size boat!
@caturlifelive
@caturlifelive 11 ай бұрын
Agreed lol 😅😂
@MoneyPitBoating
@MoneyPitBoating 11 ай бұрын
Was thinking the same thing!
@dfgaJK
@dfgaJK 11 ай бұрын
@Karl with a K ?
@brodz3000
@brodz3000 11 ай бұрын
@Karl with a K shut up carl
@kiarawhalen1544
@kiarawhalen1544 11 ай бұрын
Agreed. The thumbnail got me until I started the video. But I'm drunk so it might not count.
@FrijoleJoe_BeanMan
@FrijoleJoe_BeanMan 11 ай бұрын
Florida Boat man here, again. The Step hull Is Great for rough water, but ultimately slows you down. They're basically hooks. To achieve better performance you need Trim and Tilt, and Jack Plates. The trim and tilt will allow you to adjust the angle of thrust, making it easier to get on plane and reach a top speed. The jack plate will give you control over the depth of the engines, which also helps with acceleration and speed. Prop pitch Is super Important, but I'm not sure how that would translate into miniature applications, so you're sort of at a loss there. And finally, you made a very good observation not too many people would catch. The engines on the outside will get thrashed without something to help break the water. This is true for large applications as well. They're dragging more than providing thrust at that point. The ORIGINAL idea behind Multiple engines was to avoid getting stranded. If an engine failed, the remaining engines would provide enough power to pick the boat up and put it on plane. There's nothing worse than having to chug along at 5mph, 100 miles offshore, because you cant get on plane and cant risk burning all the fuel by plowing through the waves. Any number of engines past that is normally just a rich dude flaunting his cash and ego. And just for fun, I bet the hull you chose to model your "12 AM Quickee," after is either a Intrepid or a Contender (32'+ IRL)
@EDCandLace
@EDCandLace 11 ай бұрын
Most definitely a contender
@chrisk6101
@chrisk6101 11 ай бұрын
Just read Florida and he's qualified from the start and expert 🦅🇺🇸
@josephgraham3807
@josephgraham3807 11 ай бұрын
thank god were moving to pensylvania this summer been stuck here in florida for 7 years! (that was just bad luck i can speel)
@reignman0311
@reignman0311 11 ай бұрын
@@josephgraham3807 Pensylvania? Get a rope!
@Lucien86
@Lucien86 11 ай бұрын
I think he was also hitting the problem of not having enough weight in the nose.. The stack of three rows was definitely working though - so fast. All it needed was full all engine steer and that extra bit of weight..
@makarlock
@makarlock 11 ай бұрын
I love how everyone at the actual boat show was like “yeah never enough outboards”
@bigiron4018
@bigiron4018 11 ай бұрын
That was funny. needs more
@feloniousfloyd2203
@feloniousfloyd2203 11 ай бұрын
They were being nice and having fun.
@mjodr
@mjodr 11 ай бұрын
It's the reason the ridiculous photoshop's even exist. It's because that is the actual mentality of Americans building/buying these boats. I even tried my hand at a silly photoshop like this one time.
@tin2001
@tin2001 9 ай бұрын
I feel like the correct answer is that once you need more then 2, you probably need to consider inboard engines. 4 or more and you're kinda just showing off that you're a wealthy idiot.
@mooney_gaming
@mooney_gaming 10 ай бұрын
what if u use real boat engines
@busasquid
@busasquid 16 күн бұрын
He’d be even more broke😂
@mooney_gaming
@mooney_gaming 16 күн бұрын
frfr
@infinitytoinfinitysquaredb7836
@infinitytoinfinitysquaredb7836 11 ай бұрын
This channel is like _Tool Time_ with an insane amount of imagination and energy.
@Knemer1990
@Knemer1990 11 ай бұрын
More power!! (Tim allen grunt noise)
@tomothybahamothy
@tomothybahamothy 11 ай бұрын
If peter uses the boat to smuggle cocaine it would be perfect
@mattfleming86
@mattfleming86 11 ай бұрын
Ahh the Binford Bad Boy Boat.
@OlaftheGreat
@OlaftheGreat 11 ай бұрын
AEUHHH???
@1nvisible1
@1nvisible1 11 ай бұрын
*SOLUTION: You need a single toy boat mounted **_BEHIND_** the outboards but inline with original ship hull. With the three rows of motors only the first row is getting clean undisturbed water, everything behind it is just causing drag.*
@ConvincedIdiot
@ConvincedIdiot 11 ай бұрын
I was waaaay to happy to just keep watching B-Roll of the 4 motor setup. I am so easily entertained......
@letsdosomething6691
@letsdosomething6691 4 ай бұрын
You can get way more speed just by changing props. For the four motor set up the props are probably perfect for the power you have, but with the 12 motor setup you have tons of power you aren’t using. You can see this by the fact that the boat had an almost nonexistent 0 to top speed time. You need steeper pitched props to utilize all that power. For reference look at offshore race boat props. That’s probably the level of pitch you need. Where they are almost parallel to the direction of boat travel through the water. You could even do sequential pitch on each set of 4 motors. The ones closest to the boat being the shallowest pitch and the third set back being the steepest. You could definitely do a revisit video testing prop pitch.
@joshanderson1019
@joshanderson1019 11 ай бұрын
I love this idea. From what I can tell, the motors on riggers was just too much, and putting them in rows behind might work if you make the propshafts longer on the motors the further back they are. Also the props are possibly too small since there is a bunch of bubbles from cavitation, but first try putting the props deeper in the water the further back they are and if you still see lots of aeration behind the boat when its not on plane, increase prop diameter and or pitch.
@AmmonHAMMR412
@AmmonHAMMR412 11 ай бұрын
With the addition of the smaller side boats, you created tons more drag. Also, the motors in rows wasn't effective because you wont go any faster without an increase in rpm, which would increase the drag from the slower motors. An impeller setup would be fun to watch!
@davidbandler
@davidbandler 11 ай бұрын
Also the reduction in propulsion due to neighboring propeller wake causing cavitation interruptions and blades being out of water. Watercraft are several separate systems designed to work together; hulls, propulsion, etc. You just can't tack a random drive system on a sail boat, barge, or anything random that floats and expect performance or worthiness.
@Largetalons
@Largetalons 11 ай бұрын
13:38 covered this...
@godsonjoseph
@godsonjoseph 11 ай бұрын
I am fairly confident peter knew exactly how this video would turn out to be even before doing all of this. Its just fun to go through the process even still :)
@Lonemite
@Lonemite 11 ай бұрын
@@godsonjosephI find physical models help a lot when I comes to seeing what other options might work. Kinda like the turbo axle. What an innovative technique that flopped hard. I’ve always wanted to see it revisited with more modern tech. Plus some odd things are just cool. The rotary Motor has its mighty big list of downfalls but it’s such a cool system to see done well.
@GrimReaping
@GrimReaping 11 ай бұрын
Hey Peter, if you want the boat to be able to turn in the stacked rows of 4, you'll need to invert the direction of the second set of motors. Having multiple pulling in the same direction will result in a "crab walk" or "strafe". / = crab walk / = turn / \
@FtanmoOfEtheirys
@FtanmoOfEtheirys 11 ай бұрын
I would be surprised if he wasn't aware of this since this is also true for planes with twin props or more.
@bigiron4018
@bigiron4018 11 ай бұрын
@@FtanmoOfEtheirys you misunderstand, he means the steering direction not the prop rotation direction. airplanes do not steer the prop.
@GrimReaping
@GrimReaping 11 ай бұрын
@@bigiron4018 Thanks
@GrimReaping
@GrimReaping 11 ай бұрын
@@FtanmoOfEtheirys Also, misunderstanding or not, knowing something and thinking to do something are two very different things.
@bigiron4018
@bigiron4018 11 ай бұрын
Although I did just realize only the first set of motors turns, hence the issue.
@Lizlodude
@Lizlodude 11 ай бұрын
Ok, I really want to see 1:30 done with a full size outboard now lol The baby outboards are so cute!
@shaiseg
@shaiseg 11 ай бұрын
the prop pitch dictates the max speed. No mater how many motors you add, it will always reach the same max speed. You need to increase the pitch together with adding motors to gain more speed. Anyway, thanks for another hilarious project!
@newmonengineering
@newmonengineering 11 ай бұрын
I pretty much had an idea about the outcome from the start, you guys confirmed it. It's not just the number that matters. There are fluid dynamics at play. That said you just need bigger faster motors, not more of them. Besides more =more headaches and maintenance
@roshanpereira7650
@roshanpereira7650 11 ай бұрын
Nowadays such real life boats are using toroidal props for propelling themselves they're quite efficient too
@robwilcox9296
@robwilcox9296 11 ай бұрын
You have a planing hull, with lifting strakes and all the weight is at the rear which does not permit the lifting strakes to 'lift' the boat. Add some weight to the front and it may fix the issue, and will also reduce your rear drag.
@hockeymikey
@hockeymikey 11 ай бұрын
Good idea. I was thinking about weight too when it wasn't working well also.
@whappy212
@whappy212 11 ай бұрын
Exactly this👌
@colstace2560
@colstace2560 11 ай бұрын
Trim the motors down a little maybe ?
@davidbandler
@davidbandler 11 ай бұрын
It is a ballast and center point issue, but I believe that specific hull will always plow-under and turn sub at an excessive speed point.
@Debbiebabe69
@Debbiebabe69 11 ай бұрын
How about glueing one of those spare outboards to the back of the boat, pointing straight down, to help lift the boat out of the water? It looks like a lot of the energy created by those 12 outboards was wasted in pushing the bow of the boat upwards....
@WowReallyWhoDoesThat
@WowReallyWhoDoesThat 9 ай бұрын
I like the attention to the little details, like the rotating radar on top. The original row of motors might done better if there was adjustable trim. Also more might be more beneficial to run at top speed even if towing a skier.
@williamdowling7718
@williamdowling7718 8 ай бұрын
I love the attention to detail, especially on the "little johnson 25" stickers. I grew up with a small johnson 15 outboard that looks just like the ones you made.
@sharonbraselton4302
@sharonbraselton4302 5 ай бұрын
buy mini tug boat hibda 15 hp 21 moh 18 inch draft dowñ
@kevinderung8524
@kevinderung8524 11 ай бұрын
I agreed with the boat show guys "never enough motors" until you sent it...its be col to see some different prop configurations as well...and oh yeah you need to make it fly :)
@power21100
@power21100 11 ай бұрын
Hydrofoil it!
@Sawer
@Sawer 11 ай бұрын
I like sailing, I think ONE engine is one too many xD
@skitzojedi2505
@skitzojedi2505 11 ай бұрын
​@@power21100 hydrofoil...to float plane takeoff.
@myotherusername9224
@myotherusername9224 11 ай бұрын
Peter: drops 3D printed outboard in fishtank Fishes: "ahhh noooo... not again !"
@markchinguz4401
@markchinguz4401 11 ай бұрын
The fish looks sad enough in that tank already
@WingedAtheris
@WingedAtheris 11 ай бұрын
@@markchinguz4401 Yeah, straight up r/shittyaquariums material.
@trolleymanV
@trolleymanV 11 ай бұрын
yeah, wtaf, animal abuse right there
@theprofessionalfence-sitter
@theprofessionalfence-sitter 11 ай бұрын
I'd be curious, whether cutting some holes in the middle of the boat and fitting more motors through there might solve things. Presumably, the water will no longer be as turbulent once it reaches the motors at the back, so it might function better than the stacked rows. Also, you could fit the propellers in the middle somewhat lower than those at the back to get the boat to naturally pitch upward a bit.
@davidbandler
@davidbandler 11 ай бұрын
For the amount of propulsion/engines you're wanting to use, the draft & water displacement is too shallow (or you need to switch to a more flat bottom, plane hull and/or a hydro-foil.) Increased surface area & buoyancy wasn't the solution, but increased ballast, changing the center point, and a longer, prouder keel. Your hull is the problem for the power you want to output - that hull will always turn submersible at excess speeds.
@danielmarek4609
@danielmarek4609 11 ай бұрын
More engines give you more torque but not necessarily more speed. More speed would come with different props or faster prop speed. Also putting more weight on the front to balance out the boat better might allow it to get up on plane easier.
@nielsdebakker3283
@nielsdebakker3283 10 ай бұрын
More outboards also means more drag. A pair of big outboards for a certain powerlevel is more efficient than more smaller ones.
@tin2001
@tin2001 9 ай бұрын
​@@nielsdebakker3283 OK.... That confirms what I just commented elsewhere then... I felt like 2 is the sensible number, and if you need more, you probably want to consider inboard instead. I'd say 3 is the max you'd ever want outboard, and 4 or more is just showing you're a wealthy idiot.
@davidleavitt5146
@davidleavitt5146 8 ай бұрын
Your prop pitch is basically your gear ratio... If you keep the same gear ratio and add more motors, it'll get to top speed quicker but will not go faster... Of you add more motors (more horsepower) you'll need to increase your prop pitch to give it a higher gear ratio which will give you more speed.
@oliverscorsim
@oliverscorsim 11 ай бұрын
I just wanna point out an interesting thing the motors on the right side of the boat when you lined them up on both sides were making the down wash much less frothy that's normally a good indication that efficiency is going up. I know in planes they had some success with tip motors making a vorticy that helps drag. Might want to try making them turn the other way on the left side and making new props.
@animationtime947
@animationtime947 10 ай бұрын
I don't know how easy it would be but you should make an rc gatortail surface drive
@pious.techpriest
@pious.techpriest 11 ай бұрын
bro, look at the Viet Nam era PTR (Patrol boat, river). It had a two stage impeller and was SO fast for its size. I think it was probably converging on the limit of the maximum velocity of a traditionally hulled boat. Could be very cool to try on the RC scale... Especially as a test to model up for your new large boat....
@HeisenbergFam
@HeisenbergFam 11 ай бұрын
5:17 that 80s montage is sick, spectacular work yet again
@vsci79
@vsci79 11 ай бұрын
The lil spinning radar is the cherry on top 🤌
@user-cj5ly3ug9s
@user-cj5ly3ug9s 3 ай бұрын
You should have Tried Counter Weight
@JohnJones-ps9fo
@JohnJones-ps9fo 8 ай бұрын
As noted by others here, there are a number of other factors that affect the performance that seem to be lacking proper consideration on this model boat: prop pitch and diameter, motor attitude (tilt/trim) and balance of the load--I can assure you that the boat will perform much better if those batteries are moved further forward, and that will decrease any need for additional lift at the stern (such as the empty plastic drink bottles or those smaller hulls), whether it's on a radio controlled model or the real thing--too much weight in the back and it's hard to get it to plane, the stern wants to drop down into the water, and your videos prove that--the extra width can also be a problem, but so can additional length--there is always going to be a point of diminishing returns, so YES, there can be such a thing as "too many" outboard motors--it was still a hoot to see all of the modifications and test runs, thanks for the laughs--
@TrashPandaPirate
@TrashPandaPirate 11 ай бұрын
I love how the consensus of the boat show was "never enough motors"😂
@Arcfay
@Arcfay 11 ай бұрын
My thought on this is that more same motor is like connecting the engine with more wheels to spin, like fwd vs AWD. I'd say there is a slight improvement in initial acceleration. At the end of the day, you are reaching the top flow speed of the rotors.
@Lucien86
@Lucien86 11 ай бұрын
Very close too if not reached.. I think you have the real answer here.. Need faster propellers.
@PabloEdvardo
@PabloEdvardo 11 ай бұрын
would love to see more along this idea, like dedicated turning props, and submarines!
@PabloEdvardo
@PabloEdvardo 11 ай бұрын
you could also 3d print internal channels and make jets!
@pinocleen
@pinocleen 11 ай бұрын
@@PabloEdvardo Subs that can fly it is!
@BikingVikingHH
@BikingVikingHH 11 ай бұрын
A propeller in water pushes water backwards, propelling the boat forward. The terminal velocity of the boat is the velocity of that backwards stream of water minus the drag of the boat. The more propellers in the water, the less effect the hulk drag has on decreasing that terminal velocity, but at some point you can only go as fast as the propeller spins and sends the water backwards. Basically the more motors you have the better at towing you will be at low speeds, but it won’t ever make you faster than the terminal velocity of a single engine propulsion stream … It’s like a car with tires that slip on the road surface. Making the tires wider will get you better grip, but won’t make you go faster..
@busasquid
@busasquid 16 күн бұрын
I like how Peter talked trash on the Miami water when his fish tank was absolutely foul smh
@PhilBender612
@PhilBender612 11 ай бұрын
Its like a Midnight Express, dude it is. I want that hull! Looks awesome. Oh, and I love the "Little" Johnson on the outboard cover. lol Great Job Peter!
@milaandahiya
@milaandahiya 11 ай бұрын
I lost it when I read "12am quickie"
@jons6125
@jons6125 11 ай бұрын
Well obviously 6 was the magic number as recommended by experts at the show
@jram7047
@jram7047 10 ай бұрын
Im enjoying all the boat stuff your doing , hopefully your viewers and the algorithm works together to make it sustainable
@exterminater267
@exterminater267 10 ай бұрын
Peter: Hull is what determines maximum speed, not the size of the motor. At a certain point the resistance of the hull on the water becomes maximum and no amount of added horsepower will make you go faster. instead: the excess pressure in the transom causes it to break the motor mount.
@Lancerandduck7
@Lancerandduck7 11 ай бұрын
I find it hilarious how evenly-split the vote was on "too many" or "not enough"
@BrutalButtSlap
@BrutalButtSlap 11 ай бұрын
Because there is the cautious-entusiast rich folk that have in mind weigh and efficiency in mind and the crazy-estusiast rich ones with now 4 is enough but if you got the gas why not
@Adriaaan
@Adriaaan 11 ай бұрын
You just create more torque if you don't change the propellers. That's why it doesn't go any faster. Also adding counter-rotating props could be ideal for the stacked setup.
@nortvpn2550
@nortvpn2550 11 ай бұрын
I grew up down the street from Shawnee Park, literally used to live on N Monroe it's so nostalgic to see it in your videos.
@Zappy1210
@Zappy1210 4 ай бұрын
Pitching the motors will give you more speed, plus counter rotating motors might be helpful too.
@leokimvideo
@leokimvideo 3 ай бұрын
Your always going to be up against the 'hull speed' of a boat, adding more motors just adds more drag once you go past the happy balance of power for the hull design
@KrayZieTyler
@KrayZieTyler 3 ай бұрын
you're
@h2s142
@h2s142 3 ай бұрын
@@KrayZieTylerur a B===D
@KrayZieTyler
@KrayZieTyler 3 ай бұрын
@@h2s142 hey man, I'm just doing my job to help fight the "your you're there their they're our are" pandemic.
@MarkTubeG
@MarkTubeG 2 ай бұрын
That's what I was taught by a sailor. He was training me on a sailing yacht. He said, while under motor power, don't push the RPMs past the point of diminishing returns. The hull speed maxes out, and more power just uses more fuel without much, if any more speed. This guy's hull seemed maxed out, and more motors just made more bubbles, not speed. He's gotta deal with drag as he adds more power.
@ZanderPrints
@ZanderPrints 11 ай бұрын
Hi Peter love your videos. You should make a dermal boat.
@daniellewis1789
@daniellewis1789 11 ай бұрын
SKINBARGE Oh, you meant Dremel!
@EdwardChew
@EdwardChew 11 ай бұрын
Those funny configuration after the failed one was hilarous
@DatBoiOrly
@DatBoiOrly 11 ай бұрын
9:40 Yeah the issue is thrust basically your creating a vacuum under the hull causing it to stick to the water and drag down the rear end theres a couple ways to fix this one of the simplest however is extending the length so it takes more force to leverage it down or weights at the front
@resistanceisfutile
@resistanceisfutile 11 ай бұрын
I think my favorite thing about this and many of Peter's videos is the chemistry between him and his brother.
@sethburnsman
@sethburnsman 11 ай бұрын
Can you 3D print toroidal propellors and do some efficiency tests? Would be cool!
@BIllMcCambridge
@BIllMcCambridge 11 ай бұрын
Funny how toroidal propellers are "new technology" they were invented in the 1890s hahaha reinvented in the 1960s. I do understand that material technology and manufacturing processes have made them easier to produce it's just funny when the marketing department gets involved it is labeled as new tech.
@guily6669
@guily6669 11 ай бұрын
@@BIllMcCambridge Probably, but even then I have seen some good amount of 3D printed versions and they were worse than the original propeller, every small tweak could do a big difference and probably will still have to do many tries to get a perfect one.
@jonathanpalmos2911
@jonathanpalmos2911 10 ай бұрын
The boat is already going at it's top speed with 4 motors on it. Adding more motors will not change the top speed. It'll just change how fast it gets to top speed. You could probably double the speed just by changing the pitch of the props on the 4 motor setup
@SailingFrolic
@SailingFrolic 10 ай бұрын
When you lined them up behind each other, I legit had a flashback to how I used to draw boats as a kid. Literally exactly like that, lol
@danwood1121
@danwood1121 11 ай бұрын
Would be cool to see your take on that dragster boat from Hydro Thunder
@BIllMcCambridge
@BIllMcCambridge 11 ай бұрын
I wanna see the skiff with the dog in the front!! From hydro thunder. Look it up it was a hidden feature boat!!
@Jsederap
@Jsederap 11 ай бұрын
Support from Philippines 💪☝️
@ngsomeguy
@ngsomeguy 11 ай бұрын
If i may, try a hydrofoil setup on it with different stages for the motors. 1st is the original 4. 2nd is the additional 8 once the lift is achieved.
@mycorona66
@mycorona66 8 ай бұрын
the problem you were having getting on plane wasn't the motor configuration as much as the motor "pitch". to get a boat on plane you have to trim the motors up so they try to thrust slightly downward which in turn lifts the nose of the boat and gets more of the hull out of the water so you go faster with less resistance.
@PeacefulStream
@PeacefulStream 11 ай бұрын
This is a great video.. keep it up
@femanvate
@femanvate 11 ай бұрын
And TV wonders why their ratings are down. Channels like this are the new entertainment! Cheers!
@wesbrackmanthercenthusiast4695
@wesbrackmanthercenthusiast4695 11 ай бұрын
You need to do more train stuff
@propabilityfpv
@propabilityfpv 11 ай бұрын
That actually was a pretty sick 80's montage, and now that song is stuck in my head 😆
@leeawesome4386
@leeawesome4386 11 ай бұрын
you could also put the motors behind the boat but in a stair arrangement so that the turbulence from the motors closest to the boat doesn’t affect the other motors
@Heneling
@Heneling 11 ай бұрын
my brother tried to set fire to my house while watching this 🤷‍♂
@MACH050
@MACH050 11 ай бұрын
We need more motors
@sakepaardekooper223
@sakepaardekooper223 3 ай бұрын
To me as a mechanical engineer the best solution was the first solution(all engines next to eachother). In your experiment due to the fact adding more weight to the back and the torque of the engines it didnt work as well as it could have. I think you should add more weight to the nose of the boat. this will result in better performance up until a certain point. Putting engines in front of another one will not result in an increase of power due to flow interferance of the engine in front. For the mentioned first setup: adding engines will work for increased acceleration(in my theory). however, top speed wise it wil not likely increase up until a certain point as the propellers of the engines will simply not turn faster then a certain rpm(adding 2 engines from 16-18 engines for example will not be likely to increase much top speed).
@ront8261
@ront8261 11 ай бұрын
Great stuff!! Props in the 2nd and 3rd row cavitate and provide no thrust once the boat gets going; they just suck air from the props in the first row.
@wessle3233
@wessle3233 11 ай бұрын
great to know i'm not the only one who thinks they put way to many on there
@ZirconGames
@ZirconGames 11 ай бұрын
I mean.. in my opinion once you go over.. 3 it's already stupid, but if they have the money... idk
@SOLA_FPV
@SOLA_FPV 11 ай бұрын
Going to need them stl files I’m going to need something to do this weekend. Bad ass build buddy
@PeterSripol
@PeterSripol 11 ай бұрын
they're up for the boat now! motors are still in the works
@witebwoy13
@witebwoy13 10 ай бұрын
@@PeterSripol any chance you have the stl files for the console and hard top?? I have been searching the internet with no luck. Just want to print a cool display model.
@recoilrob324
@recoilrob324 3 ай бұрын
That one boat in the intro had 6 of the 600 horse Verado motors....$77,000 each!!!!! That is just insane. The model engines here are SO cool! What a great use for 3D printing!!
@bonafide9516
@bonafide9516 10 ай бұрын
I would have tried 6 tight on the transom. But you did so much work, well done and nice work.
@SaureZitrone
@SaureZitrone 11 ай бұрын
Love youre vids keep it up🎉🎉
@Maybe-So
@Maybe-So 11 ай бұрын
Government: oh no! We must regulate that!!
@altraffie20
@altraffie20 Ай бұрын
Damn!😂
@SteinGauslaaStrindhaug
@SteinGauslaaStrindhaug 11 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure one optimally shaped and high powered prop is the most efficient, maybe two props rotating opposite directions to cancel out rotational torque. Using more than two IRL is more for compromise reasons than to be opttimal; e.g. more small propellers rather than one or two big ones to be able to go into shallower harbours; more props in pods around the ship to get more maneuverability at the cost of less optimal max speed, multiple outboards on a smaller boat to get around size limitations (both physical and legal maybe) of how large an outboard can be before it's impractical; or just because you want more power than the largest outboard that is made etc. (and for some reason you want the motor to be outboard). Outboard engines is already in itself a compromise; by having the engine and propeller combined as one unit you make it easier to add and remove the engine to the boat, and originally most people would detatch the motor and gas tank and keep it at home most of the time and only leave the boat outdoors or in the marina. But with the ridiculously large outboards, and particularly a complex multi engine steering setup it's a huge process to add and remove the engines anyway, so they might as well be inboard engines; but I guess some boys like to brag about how massive and how many engines they have and it's easier for everyone to see how excessive your setup is, if it's all outboards...
@user-vt2ps3kl2o
@user-vt2ps3kl2o 11 ай бұрын
Looking forward to your stl file. I'm waiting here
@kjho1224
@kjho1224 11 ай бұрын
I think I need to make some outboards, I need the files as soon as possible
@nickye2864
@nickye2864 11 ай бұрын
I'd say 750000 is too many and 0 is too little. So somewhere in between.
@Zarkonem
@Zarkonem 11 ай бұрын
I think that the main contributing factor to the top speed of the boat is how fast the motors themselves are spinning. To put it in a different example, lets say you have an RC car with a motor on each of the wheels. If the top speed of the motors will only push the RC car to 10mph, then it doesn't matter if you have 2, 4, 12, or 20 wheels driving it forward, the top speed will still only be 10mph. That is essentially what you have here. Having more motors that are also pushing at the same speed isn't going to make it go any faster. It might have more thrust, but that thrust still has a top speed. That said, the correct number of outboards = the least number of outboards it takes to give it the maximum amount of acceleration and top speed. If you can do it with less motors, than it's more efficient.
@chchris51
@chchris51 11 ай бұрын
Looking forward to those stl files! Great video!
@SnowingNapalm
@SnowingNapalm 9 ай бұрын
so glad you tried all the configurations and went 12x maybe a prop swap for the successive layers of motors like each row gets more agressive pitch props basically each row being a stage ... uh oh you forgot to do single file 12x outboards can't wait to see 🙈 the results ❤
@Chris.Davies
@Chris.Davies 5 ай бұрын
FYI; a Mercury 450R costs between $55,000 and $80,000 each, Each engine will consume 2 litres of petrol every kilometre at speeds over 25 kmh. So, six of them will use 12-litres per klick. In NZ, that would cost $34 per kilometre, for the fuel alone!
@johnhaythorpe1063
@johnhaythorpe1063 11 ай бұрын
Noting the name of this video is about the number of engines, I would say you have tried almost every combination. If, however, the intention was to get a 3D Printed boat to accelerate, ride, plane and to have the power of an electric motor(s) produce thrust; then the variables would have been power (Watts), RPM, Prop size, Prop pitch, and angle of inclination (instead of the number of motors). I love all of your videos, the perfect mix of optimism, goofiness and perseverance; please keep going and pushing the envelope in all you do (land, water, air and ice).
@jackm6307
@jackm6307 9 ай бұрын
Trim the first configuration either in total, but at least the left and right 4 motors. Fun video.
@zip1233
@zip1233 11 ай бұрын
another issue you ended up running into was weight bias and trimming. with the weight in the rear it needed more trim down, or weight up front to balance out.
@emory442
@emory442 11 ай бұрын
I love the silliness of this project, but man, that boat looks really nice.
@iTzHuGzz
@iTzHuGzz 11 ай бұрын
I love the thought and the execution, but i have some thoughts as well. with all the engines, as you said, adding them in a "series" manner does not increase the effect as much as side by side as there are props functioning on turbulent flow with a lot of cavitation (air bubbles created by unnder pressure for those unknown :) ). My immediate hypothesis is that when using more engines, the torque needed by each motor decreases, meaning you could increase the prop pitch to push more water pr. rpm, increasing the top speed. If the maximum rpm is reached, but the engine is "running loose" (definitian ad hoc now: push
@donnieharness2
@donnieharness2 9 ай бұрын
i think the motors set up at 12:30 would be a great idea if you raise them up as you ad rows on behind because with them the same height as the row in front of them when you take off buries the whole motor under the water and the water hits the big part of the motor and cancels out the water flow if they were raised then they wouldn't interrupt the flow of water so much and would help speed up the flow
@kornfed81
@kornfed81 11 ай бұрын
I know it could just be appearance but all the motors within the width but behind the boat was faster. Its awesome!
@docthebiker
@docthebiker 11 ай бұрын
A triangular transom might keep six to eight motors inside the critical footprint without overlapping cavitation. It's having hull in front of, or over the prop that stops the thrust burying the rear. It should work with the correct trimming to compensate but it would need to be dynamic with each motor adjusting its AOA in accordance to the trust torque .
@keybrent64
@keybrent64 11 ай бұрын
Those stl files would be sweet! I really dig the hull design
@PeterSripol
@PeterSripol 11 ай бұрын
Stls for the hull are up now!
@ayoaina_fpv
@ayoaina_fpv 10 ай бұрын
1:30 Wow! That was close! Any closer and you'd have had minced goldfish lol 🤣
@Lilwolf2000
@Lilwolf2000 11 ай бұрын
Adding 3 more outboards, but not right behind the others... might be a bit better then 4x3 config. And turning on off the motors based on left/right would help turn
@42jeep
@42jeep 11 ай бұрын
Awesome video mate i want to print this boat and can't wait for the file.
@justinsch789
@justinsch789 10 ай бұрын
Ok!!!!! Really need a shopping list for this project!!!! already have the motor parts printing!
@Slalomer83
@Slalomer83 10 ай бұрын
can we just point out for a moment what a beautiful boatdesign this is! 😀
@koldbloodedkiller2076
@koldbloodedkiller2076 11 ай бұрын
If you wanna have more motors behind one and a other they need to rotate differently for it to have a effect And to boost this kind effect to the max the turbines need to be inside a tube So small explanation the one in front rotates left and the one in the beck rotates right and tada more speed this concept is used in some wind tunnels btw
@SocksWithSandals
@SocksWithSandals 11 ай бұрын
That was extremely interesting. I was surprised that was even a relatable problem!
@rcOhio
@rcOhio 11 ай бұрын
been a P.S. fan from the beginning! This guy is so awesome! So smart! Keep it up Peter!
@pixelpeter3883
@pixelpeter3883 11 ай бұрын
Loving the on-board footage! The rotating shot got me puzzled for a moment (360camera?) until I thought of the radar! Cool! :-)
@randomstuffbychris
@randomstuffbychris 11 ай бұрын
The four motor montage was pretty sweet
@richd9363
@richd9363 11 ай бұрын
I found myself giggling when I saw that the stickers on the motors said "little johnson". Well played 😅
@EDCandLace
@EDCandLace 11 ай бұрын
Adding more outboards aren't really for more speed, it's to carry load. The difference between running triples and quads in speed won't be much unless the boat is loaded down. Remember each one of the lower units is extra drag. When we took our 33 foot CC from twin 400R to triple 300s we lost 6mph with a light load in the boat... BUT when we have 6 people, lots of gear, Ice, fish, full tank of fuel the difference was night and day. The boat handled rough water so much better while loaded down, it popped up on plane quick, it's cruise efficiency was drastically better when the boat was loaded down..... if you want to carry more load you add power. And I'll tell you a secret two 450s will always be faster then 3 300s... hell two 400s will be faster then 3x 300s (won't carry load as well) when the boats light because all that extra drag and weight. Best way it increase speed in a boat is to remove weight and run more pitch on the prop.
@clonkex
@clonkex 11 ай бұрын
I LOVE how many people are immediately jumping on board with the joke when you ask if it's too many motors 😁
@EnthusedPotatoes
@EnthusedPotatoes 10 ай бұрын
In addition to being in turbulent wake, realistically the props can only get the water up to some speed V_max. If the water a prop is ingesting is already near V_max, it's not going to make a huge difference in the speed of that water and thus the thrust produced is going to be marginal at best. At the end of the day the force you can produce is going to be the difference between momentum of the water in vs momentum of the water out. If there's a small difference in momentum, there's only a small difference in force.
@stanleydsouza6723
@stanleydsouza6723 10 ай бұрын
Peter Sripol is Aeromodelling enthusiasts best 👌 buddy..We as enthusiasts love all your experiments, Hope more from you, Love you 😍
@Samsgaming88
@Samsgaming88 8 ай бұрын
All you do by adding more motors is adding power not speed, what happens is if you go any faster the props will over rotate causing them to brake
@TheProboys3
@TheProboys3 11 ай бұрын
More weight in the front will definitely help. I have a john boat that can only get on plane with 4 people if 3 of them are all the way at the front. Even if you added weight that wasn't there yet it may help
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