How Many Cultivators Is Too Many??

[@Ivokros]

A cache grab with no guilt? Wotc is that you?

[@bricelory9534]

Oh absolutely

[@WesleyMaguire-sy2nj]

Really enjoying watching you explore this format. Thanks, LSV!

[@johnbonila9197]

Loving all the bloomburrow content. Thanks!

[@memyself3510]

“Jules, could we chill?” Jules: best I can do is NO

[@anazron805811]

I love this format, but the most heartbreaking thing is that crazy wild decks can get some brutal losses against some terribly oppressive rares. Removal is bad in the tempo game that I think 75% of the format wants you to play, but the moment someone has one of these bombs you need removal ASAP or you lose.

[@ogolthorp]

I’ve had great success prioritizing removal and early plays while looking for the open lane. Removal and blockers makes it so you don’t get run over, and finding the open lane means you end up with synergy driven decks that provide mid-late game advantage. My best mouse deck was a midrange deck that had double builders talent to trigger valiant a bunch, 3 banishing lights, 2 bells, a carrot cake, and a couple take out the trash. It wasn’t trying to be super agro, it was trying to build up an advantage with synergy driven cards and not get run over. I think that should be your overall goal in this format.

[@alaron5698]

Huh, you think so? I've found it to be less bomb-heavy than many past sets myself. Ton of rares that are _good_ but not broken.

[@kyleclark707]

Keep up the bloomburrow drafts. Love watching the limited draft content! Thanks for doing them

[@G.Aaron.Fisher]

There's no way I could have dodged picking Mockingbird pack 1 pick 1. That card is always amazing. I definitely respect the format knowledge it takes to realize it's that important to avoid blue.

[@00mongoose]

But....he lost to the blue decks...

[@swiftdragonrider]

@@00mongooseblue is not worth going into very often unless you open a nuts rare or you get passed great blue cards which didn’t happen

[@Snarkeroid]

Mockingbird is pretty awful in draft, card has the same winrate as agate-blade assassin lmao.

[@holotori_senior_admin_teno]

Yeah, this is about what I've been doing with Green/Black; 3-3 or 4-3. It just feels so sensitive to draw order, and a little slow on the upkeep compared to Red/Black and Green/White. It can also be a bit vulnerable to hand disruption; Lost a few games as Green/Black to black decks packing discard effects. Can push past that with Stargaze, but I've actually decked myself looking for a good combination of cards to push me over the parity line.

[@fpejanovic]

i just had a GB draft where p1p1 Ygra, p1p2 Green Season, p2p1 Maha, p2p2 Inkeepers Talent. The plague wind combo of 1-shotting them with Green season blow up all artifacts and Ygra makes all other creatures food led to an easy 7-0.

[@rd30000]

LSV sure loves him some GB Food in Bloomburrow limited

[@cwczeppelin9813]

GG LSV. I was the poor soul who was gifted mables mettle match 2 but then punted 😅. I was also thinking to myself....man that is a lot of cultivators 😂. Good game

[@chazincharge]

My favorite game from the video! To be fair, he also played that game masterfully. I thought you were going to win for sure.

[@cwczeppelin9813]

@@chazincharge Hahah thanks, yeah going up against a legend in MTG is no easy feat

[@RM_3D]

man LSV is just getting flooded every draft i see him play lately xD

[@mvdplas8145]

Thanks for this content

[@MuscleMTG]

Is using Quick Draft to rank up dirty pool?

[@johnk6757]

Does MTGarena have some hidden mechanic to prevent mana screw? I swear it seems like 95% of hands LSV draws 3 lander both colors

[@nated1952]

Yes best-of-1 matches on arena have a hand smoothing mechanic where they draw 2 hands and give you the less mana screwed of the 2.

[@rodenburgl]

P3 back to back stouts

[@maxagnewalhagen1152]

Playing into moose there was crazy. Sounded like an oversight since he had no idea what the green opponent with 6mana up would do. Luckily the opponent punted as well and gave away the game.

[@ryanstover5284]

Silly question, how was it legal to have 5 cultivators in your deck?

[@nated1952]

The 4-of-the-same-card limit only applies to constructed magic. In limited you can play as many of a card as you open/pick.

[@alaron5698]

I went 7 wins with a deck that had 8 Shrike Force's in it not too long ago 😁

[@Speicherraum]

This format plays out so terrible, like two out of three games I played I bricked or got screwed by busted rares. I feel like bloomburrow is so bad in providing come back mechanics. Really disappointed by how blomburrow looked vs. how it plays 😅

[@CoL_Drake]

My average win so far is 7 xD love this format but I end every time with 13 creatures and 10 removal xD I r really really love removal in this format even in squirrel 0 cash grab but 10 removal win themselves xD

[@ogolthorp]

Yeah I think LSV doesn’t prioritize removal enough in this format.

[@stepniak18]

You can't even enjoy watching this format? Every content creator is flooding so hard...

[@Keyarchan]

And every content creator plays 17 lands in decks with average mana cost less than 3...

[@MarkChaney-b8k]

Yep sounds like a 16 land format to me

[@T-Ravs91]

Arena shuffler feels like it has scheduled losses

[@tizzleforrizzle]

I had a 5 plains hand I mulled into a 4 swamp hand I kept yesterday and never drew a plains. I was like wtf!

[@trappychan]

Haha it happens on MTGO too. And irl. You just draft a lot more on arena so you tend to notice that. The problem is just the limited format, it's never as smooth as constructed and few decks have ways to fix or get through multiple empty draws.

[@T-Ravs91]

@@trappychan I drew 14 of 16 lands through 19 cards the other day. I gotta be honest, I know the possibility exists because of variance, but I can't say I've ever had it that bad in paper. The bottom 21 cards in my deck only had 2 lands, that's just wild.

[@elibroide]

@@T-Ravs91 You draft waaaay more in arena In irl I drew 10 lands in a row, my op drew bad by not drawing past their second land most of the game My llenowar elf dealt about 10 damage

[@Rhystic_Buddy]

I’ve been hating this format. All my games are won or lost on my lands it’s never been this bad

[@cesarramon4636]

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[@Pandercolour]

Stop. Drafting. Bloomburrow. Say it with me, everyone!

[@nolifeSnorlax]

This bloomburrow garabage needs to stop...

[@Licw-Luxus]

I think it's very fun to play. Have you tried in on Arena yourself?

[@nolifeSnorlax]

@@Licw-Luxus Arena is trash…. Fricking cards look like garbage and online nerfed cards and exclusive cards are dogshit.

[@Pandercolour]

@@Licw-Luxus This is what it looks like to be wrong, everybody

[@massqueraider]

​@nolifeSnorlax calm down kid , have a juice box

[@robertlazenby402]

Heaped harvest at 37:45 over the 3rd cultivator was a shockingly bad play. You decided getting a tapped land was better than playing an extra blocker (while at low life) that would immediately become a 6/7, which would also add a 3rd counter to your other two cultivators, and you didn’t even stop to consider it. That’s a pretty bad play from such a world class player. If you’re ostensibly trying to grind to mythic “as fast as possible,” then take your time to think a bit more and make the obviously better play rather than just draft more, because that was painful to watch. EDIT: the forager would have gotten 2 counters, not 3. My math was wrong and they would have all simply been 4/5’s, and 3 4/5’s is obviously better than 2 4/5’s and a ramp spell.

[@brianh5844]

Foraging is not free, you do need food or cards in your graveyard to do it. He would have only been able to forage once if he plays 3rd cultivator, so it would have been a 3/4 and then his other two would have one less +1/+1 counter. Perhaps still the right play as it's the most tempo-positive play he can make, but not nearly as cut and dry. For me, the attack there was the main misplay, leaving himself dead on board to any interaction. He just shortcutted that his opponent would trade their 4/4, but opponent has no reason to block there when they just have to draw removal to win (if they don't have one already). I will say though that LSV definitely biases way too hard in favor of value over tempo and it's absolutely slaughtering his win % in these modern limited formats. The greedlord strategy worked well 10-15 years ago, but with how the game is now, the correct play is *usually* the one that leads to the biggest on-board advantage that turn, even if it costs you value in the long haul. There were multiple times in this draft where waiting to forage cost him because he lost a fight or an attack happened that otherwise wouldn't. I think the best way to describe the current era of LSV is that "he could not, in fact, keep getting away with it." Notice how that's not even really a meme anymore? For a long time it was because he would do these ridiculously greedy things, whether it's keeping sketchy lands or making sketchy splashes, and it would pay off for him. I think those things were correct for that era but Magic has changed a lot, even in just the last 4-5 years.

[@huntergarrett6668]

Posting this comment by @robertlazenby402 was a shockingly bad play. You decided ripping on the content creator was better than recognizing that there was only one forage available if the 3rd Cultivator were played, and you didn’t even stop to consider it. That’s a pretty bad comment from such an insipid commenter. If you’re ostensibly trying to contribute to the community “as much as possible,” then take your time to think a bit more and make the obviously better comments rather than just post more, because that was painful to watch.

[@massqueraider]

I think the play was fine. It was more the fact he then swung out for damage at 9hp against flyers

[@robertlazenby402]

@@brianh5844 the foraging is not free, but whenever a player with cultivator forages, the cultivator gets a counter. Playing another cultivator would have make it automatically a 4/5, so not a 6/7. It would have still netted two “free” counters from the other two foraging

[@robertlazenby402]

@@huntergarrett6668 lol nice try but it’s empty words. The play was bad as the Forager would have gotten 2 free counters and been a 4/5. I’m a big fan of LSV but he is not playing his best and seems to be on autopilot, and this is a good example. Idk why you’re white knighting for him when it was demonstrably and obviously the wrong play. You’re also wrong. He foraged twice and would still be able to forage twice, netting all 3 foragers 2 counters rather than 2 getting 2 counters, which is a big difference. The difference between us is I’m speaking truthfully, if bluntly. You’re just being a fool.

[@GAYWEEDDAD420]

ENOUGH FURSLOP we WANT CUBE!!

[@kithkindeck]

I'm calling BLB limited furslop now and am angry I didn't come up with it. Well memed, sir.

[@Cthuski]

Luis, the gay weed dad has a point

[@ArixOdragc]

No we don't, we appreciate the variety rather than getting month after month of the same format. We also acknowledge that people like different things and that some people actually prefer 'standard 'limited formats and find cube to be incredibly dull.

[@GAYWEEDDAD420]

@@ArixOdragc the dickriding is crazy

[@Cthuski]

@ArixOdragc considering he gets about 10k more views on recent cube videos v bloomburrow videos I think "we" are gonna have to disagree