How many Pokemon beat Bugsy without Optional Battles? - Episode 10

[@Lukja08]

The Houndoom line is my favorite introduction from Gen II. I loved Gen II so much.

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

Agreed, the Houndoom looks so cool!!!!

[@orangefiberdrinkgaming]

I'm so glad you uploaded this today. It's been a terrible day! This is like the most comforting series on KZbin.

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

Sucks to hear it's been a rough one, glad to help any way that I can! Keep your head up, you got this!

[@Robert-rq2ls]

Imagine Bugsy and his entire gym seeing some rando come in with a Moltres! Terrifying!!!

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

Seriously, his worst nightmare.

[@Radar_of_the_Stars]

Raikou is the point where half of all Johto Pokemon beat Bugsy and Rival 2

[@PhilipMurphy8]

The end of the Bugsy Challenge is here folks

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

One more episode, but yeah, we're almost there!

[@PKMNwww411_MkII]

Battle plan: In Ilex Forest, catch an Oddish or Paras and teach it Cut. In Route 34 or the Game Corner, get an Abra, trade it for Machop, and teach it Strength and Rock Smash. At the Route 35-Goldenrod City gate, get a Spearow and teach it Fly. In Olivine City, get the Good Rod and catch a Water Pokemon and teach it surf. In the Lake of Rage, Catch the Red Gyarados and teach it Whirlpool and Waterfall if the prior Water Pokemon you caught can't learn said moves. Teach Togepi Flash after it hatches. Alternatively, catch an Electrode and teach it Flash. The button is under the desk near a Scientist in the Rocket Hideout. You'll be catching 5 or 6 Pokemon given the circumstances.

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

Yeah, lots of Pokemon to catch and use for HMs. I should have grabbed a Sentret earlier

[@PKMNwww411_MkII]

@@GSCPokemonChallenges Sentret can learn Cut and Surf.

[@Sablemike38]

I really do wonder how much it will hurt some pokemon to skip a few Rockets by hitting that button. We all know how just one or two more levels does a lot for these challenges.

[@Sablemike38]

Sweet episode. Funny that Donphan got through because of recording issues! By my calculations we'll have about 150 pokemon through to the next section, including struggle users and member picks, so that's pretty awesome. Also kinda funny to have 2 pokemon (Mr Mime and Poliwag) consistently getting through with struggle strats. Well, 4 if you count the ghosts lol. Probably a bunch of good pokemon that could be saved even back in Falkner's gym by egg moves, but I wanna see Weezing get a second try just because of how pathetic it is not being able to legally use struggle. Besides, OG Jessie already got through, so it'd be fun to see how far Team Rocket can go ;-). To that end, I'd like to give Weezing access to Psybeam.

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

Yeah, Donphan got REALLY lucky. We are getting through with over half the pokedex in this section, which it honestly quite amazing. Rival 2 and Bugsy did eliminate some Pokemon, but we still have a greater percentage continuing through 2 gyms in Gen 2 and can even beat Brock in Gen 1. I'm down for Psybeam Weezing, let's see if a member chooses to roleplay as James

[@Sablemike38]

Ah, I figured it would update retroactively, unless I'm missunderstanding something lol. I wrote this out before hitting the Join button. As a nod towards the Harry Potter series, I think Wheezy would be a fun nickname.

[@stardf29]

Recaps will come at some later point. For now, I shall make my channel member pick… As mentioned in a previous video, I do think Chinchou has a chance of beating Bugsy and Rival 2. It has to reach extremely low HP levels to do so, though, and that might take too much luck… If so, give Chinchou Screech and try to capitalize on greater confusion damage and Flail damage. Maybe that will allow “Cheencho” to get past Bugsy and Rival 2 without needing too much luck.

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

Done and done! It will be in the final video, joining Heracross and Squirtle!

[@Jazerus]

FYI your Retroarch issue probably had to do with the setting "SaveRAM Autosave Interval". For a player with a reset-heavy playstyle like yours it should be set as low as possible - I use 10 seconds but if it goes lower you should probably set it lower. This setting determines how often Retroarch backs your cartridge save up onto your hard drive - the program is supposed to automatically do so on close, reset, etc. but it doesn't always do it properly so having the autosaving helps a lot. I know you probably won't go back to Retroarch for Pokemon but for other games in the future you might want to use it so make sure to adjust that setting!

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

That's an excellent tip that I didn't know before. For later Gens, it seems that integrations with BizHawk are preferred for realtime overlays like mine, so that is likely the route I'm going, but RetroArch may make a return for something else one of these days

[@Asthinus817]

So early and so glad it's out!!! Can't wait to see this last episode and get into the next part. I've been super excited for the Whitney section. Let's go!

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

Me too! I'm super excited to finish Bugsy and move on to Whitney where there are lots of TMs, but very few trainers.

[@billybrame3990]

I believe Kabutops can beat Bugsy so long as the scyther misses either the 2nd, 3rd, or fourth fury cutter which is a 14 ish % chance which passes the one crit threshold and it dose not get prisoned

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

He's in the running for a redo.

[@nautgamingnautgaming9949]

​@GSCPokemonChallenges I'd second the kabutops redo For 2 reasons I saw 👀 you accept snorlax n houndour strategies which is just as likely as one fury cutter miss I've seen you ACCEPT a razor leaf miss 2. Kabutops outspeeds bayleef UNLIKE rhydon so if kabutops can build fury cutter it wins the fight 3. You gave up at attempt 8 which is not enough information or attempts in general I would be more understanding if it was attempt 15 or 25 n you called it

[@Sablemike38]

@@nautgamingnautgaming9949 Remember he redid these pokemon cuz of recording issues, so he probably got like 20 fails before this as well. But I see your point of giving it another shot. 👍

[@Evilpengwinz78]

43:55 - You learned Hypnosis over Swift instead of Tackle, in case you hadn't noticed already during editing.

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

will get that fixed

[@stardf29]

Okay, life got busy for a while there but I'm finally off and ready to catch up on recaps! SPOILER for quick recaps... ... ... ... Omastar: Bugsy is no problem, but Rival 2's Bayleef outspeeds and OHKOs with Razor Leaf even without a crit. 4x Grass Weakness is no joke. FAIL Kabutops: The issue here is that with only Scratch and Absorb, it cannot beat Bugsy, which means it cannot even get past Rival 2's Gastly. FAIL Aerodactyl: Absolutely destroys Bugsy with STAB Wing Attack, and the move also does enough damage against Rival 2's Croconaw to have no issue there. PASS Mantine: Requires a good amount of Supersonic luck to have Bugsy and Rival 2's mons knock themselves out, as its own moves and stats won't cut it. PASS Skarmory: Mud-Slap strats are needed against Rival 2's Quilava, which let it get past with some luck. PASS Snorlax: Amnesia makes Rival 2 a joke, and high stats allow Bugsy to be not too hard. PASS Stantler: A bit of luck with a critical hit gets Stantler past Bugsy. PASS Houndoom: Bugsy is of course not a problem. Rival 2 requires Swift to get past Croconaw, plus some poison assist with Smog. PASS Houndour: Gets past Bugsy's Scyther with two critical hits in a row. Might have done fine anyway with some luck but nevertheless, Rival 2 needs Swift and Mud-Slap to luck past. PASS Donphan: Horn Attack and high Attack makes Bugsy easy, while Mud-Slap allows it to get past Rival 2 with some luck. PASS Phanpy: Weaker than Donphan and has the weaker Tackle, so it will not be copying the success of its evolved form. FAIL Articuno: Both Gust and Powder Snow make quick work of any normal trainer, plus Bugsy and Rival 2, the latter with some luck. PASS Zapdos: Bugsy is easily shocked down, while Rival 2 also put up too little of a fight. PASS Moltres: Beats Bugsy without too much trouble, and Rival 2 just needs a bit of sleep luck. PASS Suicune: Needs a bit of luck with crits or misses against Bugsy, and some flinch or crit luck against Rival 2. PASS Raikou: Easily deals with Bugsy, and Rival 2 just needs some luck with Bite flinches. PASS Entei: Ember roasts Bugsy's Gym, and Bite chews through Rival 2's team with some flinch luck. PASS Final Results: PASS: 14 FAIL: 3 Bonus: Jolteon w/Flail: Definitely needs more luck overall compared to Flareon w/Flail due to lower Attack, but it can still get through. PASS

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

Glad to see you back! We're nearly halfway through Whitney now, so lots to catch up on, though the Whitney recaps will be much simpler 😂. Trying to get to Morty by the end of the year!

[@DeadRise4No1]

Hey, I finally decide to join. I would love to save my little gun fish Remoraid I just know he has hidden potential.

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

Thank you so much! Remoraid, eh? Looks like Octazooka and Aurora Beam are options, or we could go for Supersonic strats.... Please not Supersonic strats lol

[@AdamAtYourService]

This is exciting and all, but I'm pumped to see Poliwag consistently oneshot Miltank. Poliwag Bros Unite!

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

Not sure he's OHKOing, but we'll do our best!

[@DoctorNovakaine]

I don't know, I know Kabutops isn't really ideally suited for Bugsy and it takes a spot of luck, but the same could be said for Snorlax and yet it GOT that luck so it gets to go through? Not to mention Houndour, which got absolutely blistering luck with TWO Ember crits in a row on the Scyther which I very much doubt it would have survived without both. I feel like it would at least be worth knowing if Kabutops could beat Rival 2 if it could set up Fury Cutter, but I think it was relegated to 'impossible' under circumstances that other mons have gotten to get through.

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

Yeah, I tested this a lot. Showed that once I got to Kakuna but could survive. IT's certainly not IMPOSSIBLE, just so luck based as to be out of the spirit of the challenge rules. Snorlax has the advantage that is can easily deal with Rival 2, so it goes in a a higher level and has STAB on Tackle so nit is doing more damage and therefore gets better ranges.

[@metalmariomega]

Finally the second gauntlet is coming to an end, only for things to get worse immediately afterwards. 3rd gym is gonna be pretty nuts.

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

Agreed. We do get some nice things though - Rollout, Quick Claw, Elemental Punches, Headbutt, Return, and technically Game Corner TMs.

[@nautgamingnautgaming9949]

​@@GSCPokemonChallengesyou will lose 50 Pokémon at least on whitney COW OP n only 2 game corner take the top 2 trainers and 1 gym trainer with a snubull You will get ONLY one level when you fight whitney from right now You do need an Abra for teleport glitch to avoid spinners n non mandatory for morty If you come up out of olivine you will fight 2 optional But if you go south into olivine you avoid both trainers You also cannot get hidden power for morty as an optional blocks that But the slowbro n nidoqueen trainers are REQUIRED to access the gyarados

[@fionordequester6748]

​​@@GSCPokemonChallenges I feel like Fury Cutter will be a lifesaver for some mons as well--the Clefairy makes excellent set-up fodder for it, after all. Honestly, I'm more worried about Morty--his team's going to be a nightmare for any mons that can't do damage quickly enough. Curse is nasty if you can't switch...

[@17Master]

Predicting 14 pass. This episode boasts a pretty powerful lineup.

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

Yeah the last couple episodes always have some OP challengers

[@brolsroyceyt2362]

It all comes down to this boys 🔥🔥

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

One more episode to follow, but we are so close to the end!

[@brolsroyceyt2362]

@@GSCPokemonChallenges yessir I love Houndor and Houdoom so much absolutely criminal they were only available in the Post Game of Gen 2 😞😞

[@alexrobinet7576]

Piloswine should face quilava since his special is ice.

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

Nah, he's going to try Croconaw because he doesn't have good STAB against it and a type weakness.

[@jawonjones1877]

I come here to click the like button then resume to my other videos. I’ll return for bed

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

appreciate the like, my guy!

[@chefgrizz6284]

11:00pm? ✅ High? ✅ Gotta be at work at 4:00am? ✅ Still gonna watch 🎉

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

Legend!

[@celticv]

ill will say 4 will fail today, but do feel like bayleaf is going at least eliminate 3 Pokemon :)

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

fair prediction

[@bitterzombie]

The legendary beasts arent really dogs or cats, except incidentally. They are actually based on early mammals, so while raiku is based on a sabretooth cat, entei is based on the cave bear or cave hyena, & suicune is based on dire wolves & possibly cetateans, i.e. protowhales/dolphins. Those animals went on to define more specific lineages of animals like cats & dogs, but at one point in history, they were not so distinct from one another yet. Funny enough, eevee has a similar basis to its design- not quite dog, not quite cat, because it is intended to be reminescent of "different evolution paths". & Eevee is directly associated with the legendary beasts as well, as per the legend indicating that it was flareon, jolteon, & vaporeon that were ressurected by ho-oh as the mythic beasts. So in a certain light, the legendary beasts are sort of like paradox forms of the eeveelutions.

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

Very interesting. I wasn't aware of the design basis for the Gen 2 legendaries and Eevee.

[@bitterzombie]

Yeah, it is hinted at in the lore but I think it is confirmed somewhere that the pokémon that Ho-oh ressurected from the Burned Tower were Flareon, Jolteon, & Vaporeon. As an interesting piece of worldbuilding, that is why the Kimono Girls all use Eeveelutions- those pokémon are sacred in Ecrutek, & it's implied that the performance they are giving is that of the tale regarding those legendary pokémon. I love small details like that in worldbuilding 😍

[@mackowens7234]

I think that for Falkner battle with Jolteon you should’ve gone into the battle with jolteon at a lower hp I think it could’ve made the battle easier

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

Agreed, I went in at full HP, but lower HP would have helped. Still the Attack stat is what is holding it back, since even when on 1 HP we're not OHKOing anything.

[@DonWippo1]

I need someone to save Lord Helix. I am not sure how, since I don't know what kind of egg moves lil lord helix could get and whether the evolved forms are even elligible with Egg or TM moves, but we gotta prove its stronger than Count Dome :3

[@Sablemike38]

Considering Jumpluff got saved, I'd say this little Star is eligible. Well, through his software anyway. I used Pokemon Database when making my choice. Someone suggested Aurora Beam for both the fossils, and I think I'd agree, as fun as it sounds to compare an Omastar with Slam vs Kabutops with Dig.

[@DonWippo1]

@@Sablemike38 Lord Helix got outsped and OhKo'd by that Bayleaf, so I think it either needs to increase its speed somehow (quickclaw, setup move) or set up so much spedef, it can tank one or more hits. (can it get amnesia?) The Aurorabeam would need to OHKO the bayleaf in case you'd go for that plus quick claw.

[@bruna8476]

Yoo I have never been this early!! Let's goooo

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

That's awesome! Thank you!

[@belodie]

Are they dogs? Cats? Beasts? Who knows... Prediction: Kabutops, Omastar and Phanpy fail, the rest succeed (if Stantler gets Hypnosis).

[@joeltangjerd2828]

I thought we agreed they were gerbils

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

The legendary gerbils! And yeah, nice predications. The issue with the last couple episodes is that we know how the Legendaries will do this early in the game, but Celebi in the next episode could be tough....

[@belodie]

@@GSCPokemonChallenges Johto infamously hates Grass-types, unfortunately. I think Celebi would do better in Hoenn, but that's a long way away it it ever happens xd

[@nautgamingnautgaming9949]

​@@GSCPokemonChallengesI think you will be shocked in this next upload Scott thoughts had a MASSIVE struggle session with celebi on this bugsy section and I am unsure mew or pupitar passes either since both are weak to fury cutter The dragons I'd toss against bayleef because it can poison them

[@vivecanada1]

I am curious why you keep going to the Pokémon center after slowpoke well when Kurt heals you for free after that section.

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

Not thinking lol.

[@jackruby6696]

What if you gave aurora beam to both fossils? I think it would help kabutops but ima Star still can’t outspeed bayleef

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

Yeah, It think we'd be resetting for the Razor Leaf miss either way.

[@nautgamingnautgaming9949]

​​@@GSCPokemonChallengeskabutops naturally outspeeds bayleef You do need to get by scyther n gastly though Gastly will be rough as fury cutter is your best option The bayleef is irrelevant according to the numbers and the only thing that matters is did you land fury cutter Bayleef is faster than omastar but slower than kabutops That's why I believe in kabutops

[@MobileGamingChronicles]

100th like from me! 😊😊😊

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

That's awesome, thank you!

[@MobileGamingChronicles]

@@GSCPokemonChallenges welcome.

[@williambrown5934]

😱 Omastar and Kabutops, two FULLY evolved *rock* Pokemon, shouldn’t even be close to struggling in a BUG gym… Rock types are supposed to resist or should be resisting normal and bug moves, and just have genuinely good defense. Even verse a lvl15 at lvl13 it should be no real issue- specially when considering you made sure they have max IVs… It’s nothing short of ridiculous and just dumb that they perform so bad… rock move or not, this should be a cake walk… Maybe they are a pair of trash Pokemon… Just look cool but, couldn’t fight off a cold 🙄

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

The entire issue is that Fury Cutter build too quickly. Obviously since Bug was terrible in Gen 1, they wanted to make it OP early in Gen 2.

[@DanelerH]

I haven't watched this yet. I'm only a minute and a half in and hearing you pronounce the E in Suicune. Since nobody corrected you last episode, nobody seems to be correcting you in the comments here, and I'm assuming you don't correct yourself, I will. I searched for the Japanese version of Pokemon 4Ever, where Suicune makes an appearance. Even in Japanese, the E is not pronounced. You're just butchering its name and calling it Japanese.

[@GSCPokemonChallenges]

You're right, I finally looked it up on Bulbapedia. It is correctly スイクン.