How Many Potential Victims in the LISK Investigation?

Thomas Hargrove, founder and Chairman of the Murder Accountability Project (MAP), Joins your host, Joseph Giacalone for True Crime with the Sarge. This episode, Tom and Joe will conduct a live demonstration of the MAP database with the intention to identify cases that might be included in the LISK investigation. #lisk #rexheuermann #map #database
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[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Just a reminder-this query provided 45 open cases from both Nassau and Suffolk. Not all of these are potential LISK victims. It needs more work and researchers. That’s where you come in!

[@thederosa-ruquetfamily5997]

I did the cluster by county...it is beyond disconcerting to see that big circle that is Suffolk County on a national map.

[@ImGinaMarie]

Thank you so much to whoever gifted memberships!! 🥰

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

🥳

[@kelly3560]

Glad for your involvement in MAP. I will help get the word out. Unfortunate that the government defunded these interactive information services.

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks Kelly!

[@the_glam_roomnz]

Thanks so much, what a fantastic articulate guest Thomas is. This was fascinating, so appreciated!

[@evilqueenyiayia]

Thanks for the gifted membership. It was a very interesting show. ❤❤

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

I’m glad you enjoyed it!

[@sarahallenhumboldt2638]

This is such an important project for people to become familiar with. Thank you, Mr. Hargrove and Joseph; I always wonder why MAP is unknown to most people with whom I speak. Thank you so much.

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks for watching Sara. I’ll let Tom know!

[@sreiok]

That was super interesting. I’m so glad someone has put the effort into a nationwide database 😊

[@cloudbreak23]

This is my first time seeing Thomas!!! You guys are great together!! We need more men like Thomas in this world!! 🙏 Thank you Thomas please keep going! Thanks, Joe! Love your show. Thank you for letting everyone know WTF is going on since all these things get swept under the rug. Love you Joe!!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Awesome cloudbreak. Thank you

[@helenoharawhite7704]

Thanks for the birthday shoutout Sarge. ♡♡♡ Great show 👏 👍 👌

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

You’re welcome, enjoy!🎂🥳🎈

[@mariatorres9789]

Replay crew, lol. Happy birthday, enjoy your day.

[@JoeL-xk6bo]

there were two strings of serial murders in lynbrook and around the hempstead area in the mid 80's.both areas are directly connected by Peninsula Blvd. Rex Heuermann dumped remains in Hempstead Lake State park...which is along Peninsula Blvd. I lived in Lakeview from the early 90's to about 2010. The park is right up against Lakeview. From the remains he dumped there of "Peaches" we know that Rex drove this route. Now for the 80's murders, he was in College in westbury. you take post Ave or the parkway to hempstead, not far or long. Lot's of girls hung around hot skates in lybrook, it was an easy pick up spot for college guys with cars to get some girls. the police framed 3 guys for the lynbrook murders but they were released after 17 years. and the remains of one of Rex's victims was dumped right next to his school in westbury, at the adjacent golf course. this was when Rex began working in NYC, the victim was a sex worker who's "prowl" was right near Rex's NYC office at the time.

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

I’d have to look more into that

[@jacquelinejacobson6789]

Hi Sarge. I just signed an affidavit from atty John Ray re my run in with him in the Ft Lauderdale area around 1994 - 1995. Anybody else in that area at that time who believes he/she encountered Rex should report it to the Gilgo Beach Task Force, FBI, or contact atty John Ray. Your anonymity will be secured. I wasn't a sex worker - he answered my dating ad.

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Excellent. Be safe

[@HumanimalChannel]

Tip. Don't contact John Ray, what silly advice. Tell the Authorities in charge of investigating the case. Ray has nothing to do with it

[@bossyonabudget]

Because they did so much investigating and keeping this case relevant over the years 🙄​@@HumanimalChannel

[@jacquelinejacobson6789]

Ty Sarge. I did report it to LE and the FBI

[@nanabananainavana7534]

WOW!! What a useful tool. I’m quite impressed. I used the website in Chrome and was able to determine there is almost zero chance of a serial killer in my county. There were a total of 27 homicides from 1965-2022 in our county and only 5 were not cleared. That feels pretty safe to me. Thank for the terrific effort (I was a data analyst before I retired and I could determine the root cause of the failure of ventilators and respirators using data).

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Excellent! With your experience and expertise you could use this data to do a lot of good by helping other jurisdictions that may not know they have a problem!

[@CJ86738]

This is a game changer for law enforcement!

[@Listener1126]

Being a retired Intel Analyst this tool is very helpful and user friendly once you play with it a while. The age of Detectives now have grown up on the computer and would find this helpful and easy to use.

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Excellent!

[@nancyk1869]

What amazing people you both are! God Bless you for your hard work.

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks Nancy.

[@mayhemsmaster5050]

Replay crew present and accounted for! I thoroughly enjoy listening to yourself, Tom and the many otjers..others... usually on replay. It's an amazing site to "play on", it took me a few sessions but slowly I'm getting the hang of it. I pray that everyone has a most blessed and wonderful week.🙏💜

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Excellent! Thanks for participating

[@ExcrementalDisplay]

Where to start. I wasn't going to click on this longer video as i was looking for something milder before bed. But wow, am I glad I did. Tom, Joe, thank you for doing this live explanation and for making the database available for everyone! My adhd skill is pattern recognition and finding specific needles in stacks of needles. As a true crime buff since I was a teenager this database is a wonderful tool for everyone from hobbyists to students to police. This is my statistics loving brain's happy place now. I grew up in very rural NY and still have family that has local police ties. I think I'm going to be getting very familiar with the website and seeing if the patterns i saw in college were more than a criminal justice student's hallucinations after too many hours awake. This is a phenomenal tool. Thank you for making it possible.

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Excellent! Thanks for watching

[@suzanne5544]

Very happy for your investment in this case!

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks Suzanne!

[@Leanderfs]

Back home late, it's 02:30 am here in Spain. Just got in bed and I'm going to watch the replay before I go to sleep. Thank you @Joseph Giacalone and @Thomas Hargrove

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Awesome! Thanks Leander, I hope you had fun

[@cakesboo6554]

i read an article after this by Laura Rosciolin interviewing Thomas about the fact we don't have a database like this in Australia. I hope we can move towards making one. I think it is so valuable for any country. Thanks Joe & Thomas 🖖🏼

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

😎🙌🏻

[@donnabracken]

One of the best! Bring him back!❤

[@cher8136]

Just tuned in late.😢 but still fortunate enough to catch this. Mary Murphy RULES. One of the best reporters out there! ❤❤❤❤

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Yes, tomorrow 6PM ET

[@MyKidsCorporation]

One of the Most useful tools to date. Thank you I have used your interactive maps often to research clusters. 🙏 ❤

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Great to hear!

[@kaymusictaylor7214]

Happy to see you!

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks Kay!

[@ILoveWoolerbear]

Good morning Joe and Tom !🫖☕Happy Birthday Helen🎂

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Hi Yogi!

[@anitagendler3812]

Hey Sarge! It’s 10 pm here on Sunday in California and I’m finally catching the replay! 😂

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Awesome, thanks Anita!

[@76rstump]

Watching replay. Very interesting and informative. Wow, lab reports definitely need to be completed a lot quicker. If it's possible we need to rectify this period. I know you both are vigilant in solving crimes. You care for the families and achiving justice. Thank you both !! ❤❤❤

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thank you!

[@76rstump]

@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge You're awesome Joe!!!

[@stephenn8366]

Always interesting and responsible content...thanks Joe⭐

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thank you Stephen

[@andreatalu2169]

Love watching your shows. Learning every time a little bit more. Thanks a lot. Hey from Germany 🇩🇪

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Excellent Andrea! Thanks for watching

[@inamalcolmson9449]

#ReplayCrew. Thank you for another great video ,very interesting. I think there will be many more victims attributed to Rexter Heuerman before and after he goes to trial . I really enjoy your perspective on this case and all the information you share with us , watching from Bonnie Scotland ❤

[@marsy1480]

Catching replay! Looking forward to this!

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks Marsy

[@robynecheverria6194]

This is the coolest analytics software I have ever seen. We'll Done!

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

I’m glad you enjoyed the show!

[@nattybee888]

Love your show! Another Grizzly here from New Zealand 🌺

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks Natty 🐻🐻🐻

[@marianneknapp4846]

Thank you Both so very much for Caring and Loving ✝️🙏💜

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks for watching Marianne

[@marianneknapp4846]

I Love watching you always 😊💜

[@ImGinaMarie]

Joe this is amazing, I didn't know about this and didn't know you were a part. This needs to go viral!! I hope everyone shares and likes this!!

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thank you Gina!

[@suzannechance5876]

Happy Birthday Helen

[@user-qy4fl4dd6b]

This data thing is very interesting, I listened to it last night, I'm watching it again!

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Excellent! Thank you

[@robertfontaine3650]

It's a shame we don't have this data in Canada. For serial murder this kind of open source intelligence lets you build a lot of analysis. Across Canada however the "missing" women numbers are as disturbing as the murdered.

[@Tru_Crime_Addict]

Watching replay. True Crime Addict

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks for watching

[@Ap50524]

Thankyou! Great information!

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks for watching

[@erpthompsonqueen9130]

Thank you. Watching from Alaska. 👍 Thank you for an excellent tool. Downloading to use as a tutorial.

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Glad it was helpful!

[@theresamezza5204]

Replay crew here! Great show Sarge

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks for watching Theresa

[@babystepsgarden6162]

Completely missed the live. 🙁 But I am finally getting to watch this! ❤️

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Excellent!

[@sweetLouLou]

Replay crew!🎉

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks!

[@Wendy-sn3mn]

Missed the live,but im here for the replay. Fascinating thank you Joe and Thomas

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks Wendy!

[@knittingwithbetty]

Wow what a great live today thanks Joe and Tom, so so interesting! Is it just US data you work with?! This would be amazing rolled out to every country! Keep up the good work ❤

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Yes, right now it’s just the U.S.

[@patriciastarrofficial]

Great show

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks Patricia

[@infiniteink185]

Someone who knows where Brian Kohberger lived in Pennsylvania before heading to Idaho & the years he lived there need to check out unsolved murders just to be sure.

[@user-ik5hk9zr5w]

Brodheadsville , Pa

[@marianneknapp4846]

Oh I missed you 😊💜

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

The replay crew is awesome like you!

[@marianneknapp4846]

@@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge not as awesome as you are Joseph 💜😊

[@Withal_And]

Ooo! I remember this dude! He works with tech/numbers to identify possibliliy of serial murders. I just shake my head violently to those who aren’t apart of this program Do you think for those who haven’t/dont want to adopt(ed) the program are afraid of the numbers?

[@TeaWildflowers]

Thank you Joe and Tom for this great discussion and for teaching us about this great tool. Awesome!

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks for watching!

[@mcmc1103]

There was a map that I saw on Reddit LISK of murdered young women on Long Island.

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

There are lots of maps out there. This is data driven specifically from the FBI. It’s still requires to put names to the cases and then locations in order to make a map with some may have already done.

[@infinite4035]

This is fascinating and great work, I wonder if there are filters that just search for that red bar over gray bar? We should be able to filter the entire data set identifying every county that has this red flag.

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

That’s not my area for sure, but I’ll pass along your suggestion

[@infinite4035]

@@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge Ah the clusters map essentially does this, awesome stuff

[@robertfontaine3650]

The bigger problem is the missing

[@juliewilson2628]

Great live as always Joe 👌,your guest Tom was very interesting 👍 😚🦘🐨🦘

[@Irishbean658]

Wow great guest

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks for watching!

[@ClaireBear-77]

Awesome show. Wish they had this in South Africa

[@LindaThomas-vw7de]

Replay crew!

[@SG-dg6oi]

Going all the way back to 1993, plus Vegas and the Carolinas? Probably a lot

[@wishingb5859]

What a fabulous resource!

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

I’m glad you like it

[@pennylane8401]

@obliviousbenson I’m sure you already know this, but just in case. Very interesting for possible victims of RH.

[@emmam3447]

Thanks for the fascinating episode! Just to confirm my understanding, it seems like potentially 45 total Lisk victims (or cases that should be looked at more) between 1981 - 2013? I have 2 questions: 1) What went into the decision for the 1981 start date? RH’s age? Tina Foglia’s case? 2) Have you looked at 2013 onwards? Any concern for victims after the Gilgo 4? Thanks again!

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

There are 45 open cases - not everyone is a potential LISK victim. That has to be better out as you research and make connections. There’s a lot more work to do. This was to get you started

[@stevewelbert5039]

Happy Birthday Helen!!!

[@MareMeyer]

Have you checked the other locations Heurmann had homes?

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

I haven’t yet 😉, but it sounds like a great research project!

[@susanegittins6258]

Thanks, Joe for today's information. I did ask the question, but realized it was for a demo. Please answer if you can...Is the only way to truly define the higher crime areas by searching county, then cluster? You and I know certain areas are high crime, but...doesn't that affect by flattening out the stats? I'll be blunt. Nassau County~HempsteadTown~Hempstead itself...or, New Cassel which is in Westbury. I'm not so sure it gives preciseness. Maybe I'm just not following directions? Appreciate you🎉

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

It depends on what sort of companion cases you’re looking for. If you are searching for a potential SKs, then the weapon used, how the victim was found, and where would be more beneficial to the search

[@susanegittins6258]

@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge Gotcha, Joe. Thank you VERY MUCH. I know you're very busy and I'm so proud of the success in this venue that you've achieved. Potential for returning to TwitX coming soon 💙

[@thederosa-ruquetfamily5997]

Really informative thank you so much!!

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Glad it was helpful!

[@LyonhartZ2]

You guys look related LOL similar clothing too!!

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

😳🫣🤣

[@trippin6118]

Great show 👍

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks for watching!

[@rhondasharpe9112]

Can you put toms info on your page! Murder Accountability projects.. N I b e r s report.!

[@christiedovale7827]

incredible

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

I’m assuming you liked the show?

[@MrBetc]

Hello Joe and Tom, Happy Birthday Helen wishing you the happiest of days. I am watching from Ontario Canada, live outside a little city pop 155.000 and we have one unsolved murder that happened about 13 yrs ago. One of my gfriends Aunt was raped and murdered many many yrs ago( same city, appro 45yrs) and a few yrs ago the man(18 yr old drug addict at the time of the murder) who murdered her was found through DNA. Definitely thankyou to the officers involved in her case that took their time and processed the scene of her murder with such care that DNA was still useful all those yrs later. ❤❤ I also believe there are more victims of RH and I pray they are found and brought home to their families.💔

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thank you MrBetc for watching!

[@weejawbee2706]

300+ elec device and around 40 were cell phones. Assuming 40 cell phones, how many victims would that imply Sarge?

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

They haven’t alluded to any of the cell phones being of the victims, but we do know he had at least two of them in his possession at one time. Most of these may be burner phones, but whatever they are they are a treasure trove for investigators.

[@weejawbee2706]

Most burner phones ok. So say 30 phones were burners, that could imply 30 attempted murders or murders

[@user-tj2px7vx2y]

Does murder accountability web site go back to the 1970,s in Florida my friend,s mom went missing and after all these years the cops have been no help at all my friend needs answers I believe that she was murdered because she would not have just left her children behind

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Right now, the data contained is from 1976-2022

[@christiedovale7827]

i cant find search cases

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

From this query or are you trying on your own searches?

[@NatalieAly]

Cities are starving but the police force needs to stop paying crooked cop pensions

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

A bill was written by Legislator Robert Trotta to remove James Burke’s pension

[@rhondasharpe9112]

What time is roll call?? 6am?

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

It’s 8AM ET - taking a little breather ATM

[@Freeze_Frame_Pan_Out]

🎉

[@theresamezza5204]

Sarge, would it be beneficial if someone with crunching data experience help LE?? I'm a data nerd so just a question, perhaps it may be a more of a solution for the victims?? Thoughts?

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

I’m always a promoter of citizen involvement. Use the data, see if you can find anything out of the ordinary and let’s take it from there.

[@JERSEYNWK]

Reply new subscriber!!!

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks. Welcome Jersey

[@jori7398]

This was amazing. I ran the search in the county/city I last lived in, and it looks bad. For example, a cluster of 5 white women around the same age who were all killed by blunt force every few years. Is that the kind of thing that should be sent to LE? Stupid question very probably, but how do people talk to LE about this kind of thing without sounding like a loon?

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Excellent. You can try to find the name of who heads the Detective / Investigator Division, send it to the Chief, or a local reporter just to ask the status of the cases. I would try to put the names to the dates first

[@jori7398]

⁠@@TrueCrimeWithTheSargeperfect, thanks Joe! I can deep dive Google with the IDs and victim info on the spreadsheet. Maybe there’s something there that helps them! You guys are awesome! What an incredible tool MAP is 🎯❤️

[@Freeze_Frame_Pan_Out]

❤🎉❤

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks for watching Miss Jones!

[@Freeze_Frame_Pan_Out]

@@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge my pleasure!

[@emilysopow]

Joe has Thomas done any statistics for the site in 🇨🇦?

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

I don’t believe so, but I will ask

[@emilysopow]

@@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge thanks, most interested in the Province of British Columbia.

[@erpthompsonqueen9130]

4697 views 👍

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Yes and now over 6K

[@mcmc1103]

Can you guys do the map of LI instead of bar graph.

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

I will try to see what I can do

[@mcmc1103]

@@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge So it shows areas of unsolved murders. The one, I saw on Reddit had dots. You can click on the dots and get some information on the victims.

[@Believe30]

Is this a LISK investigation or how to get records???? Title is false

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

How many potential victims … is the title

[@res1204]

He died from fentanyl.

[@hjong8830]

I understand that George Floyd case is popular, but i don’t understand why some people bring his name up when there’s actual innocent black men that were killed by officers. Floyd was a violent criminal. I’m not saying he deserved what he got, but let’s be honest. He did a home invasion and put a gun to a pregnant woman’s stomach. Maybe shine the light on an actual innocent, law-abiding person who got killed by a cop. The guest absolutely is doing a good thing with his program. Most cops are good people who are trying to do their job to protect citizens. Seems to be lawlessness and little or no accountability for criminals. Having a bad childhood is no excuse to take someone’s life or steal/rob. I have no sympathy for people who commit violent crimes.