How Many Turns are Needed to Beat Thousand Year Door? (Remake)

[@techneti_um]

As a Mario wiki editor who did most of the bestiary stuff, we really just copy pasted all the stats over and then edited tattles, etc. We have no idea if any stats changed (I did try to ask people on a talk page but no one replied).

[@hAboyd]

I'm pretty sure they didn't change.

[@Cainb23]

yikes ????

[@erin4arong]

You talking about artur u is giving me the same vibes as when philosophers diss each other in their work

[@JuiceBox000]

I mean Artur literaly cheated and made the run boring.

[@tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32]

@@erin4arong why is it a pair of socks but they are classified as one item

[@moth5449]

⁠same goes for a pair of shoes or a pair of glasses. You wouldn’t say a pair of chef, you’d say a pair of chefs

[@gamemasterseven]

Personally, I figured that the reason that they healed you after Cortez in the remake was so that you wouldn't have to restart the Cortez fight if you died during the small platforming sequence outside the ship. Don't know if that's the actual reason, but...having died during said section on a few occasions in the Gamecube version, I certainly welcome the change.

[@kaidurbin]

Possible, but if that's the reason, the "try again" feature on the Game Over screen makes such a change redundant anyways.

[@gamemasterseven]

@@kaidurbin Perhaps. Haven't seen what happens if Mario hits 0 HP in the overworld instead of during battle, so I'm not sure where the "Try Again" option would place the player in this particular instance. Either way, I don't mind the change, but each to their own, of course.

[@kaidurbin]

@@gamemasterseven Just to be sure, I tested it, and as I already suspected, dying outside of combat and retrying will put you at the beginning of the room you were in prior to the Game Over screen. As Mario must perform a screen transition after the Cortez fight to fall into water, the "try again" option is unlikely to force you to fight Cortez again.

[@gamemasterseven]

@@kaidurbin Nice!

[@kaidurbin]

​@@gamemasterseven Come to think of it, I think the main reason you're healed after Cortez is because of the Crystal Star. I just beat Hooktail on a replay and was fully healed after that fight too. Yet, not too long after that, Frankly reminded me to rest up at an inn if I was at low health, a line that would make more sense if I wasn't automatically healed. The remake probably changed this for pacing reasons, as it would feel a little weird for the partners to say "Let's go to the Thousand Year Door!" and then immediately crash at a hotel.

[@ZeldagigafanMatthew]

Ah yes, the low% categories, where spending an extra few hours to shave off some number of extra actions can be the difference between a new record and a low place.

[@cheshy8]

Danger Mario feels like lore accurate Mario.

[@DrGiggleTouch67]

25:34 You thought we wouldn’t notice this

[@Davidk9292]

"FUCKFACE" made me laugh so had.

[@Bganguz]

Am I the only one who never knew about using Vivian to veil during the three turns where you can't hurt the shadow queen, triggering dialogue from her telling you not to hide😂

[@tattersthebat6253]

Imagine being Blooper and you find out the guy that whacked you while you were sleeping specifically bought so many items that he was gifted two copies of the power of the cosmos just to kill you specifically as fast as possible

[@StarlightWarriorGamerJames]

Blooper: Poop. I said "Poop" instead of the other bad word just to keep my Family Friendly Channel status.😂

[@lighbuldchannel8131]

​@@StarlightWarriorGamerJamesblooper: shit.

[@cylasbreakdown6140]

I will be right back, it sounds like I need to watch Artur’s video first

[@samwich3292]

The panenkoek reference for the powerbounce explanation was a very nice touch.

[@totalphantasm]

that music being used for over technical explanations is the exact same thing as using the SummoningSalt music to explain a breakthrough

[@tucatheman]

new bringle video oh my god im gonna come

[@ironicdivinemandatestan4262]

I came, Mario! Take it!

[@11D7-n8d]

Woah there

[@TheYosh-3210]

That’s a bit SUSSY

[@purplenerdsplushie]

Dude

[@skylor9833]

noo you'll get paper mario all soggy and ruin him

[@JustCallMePaper]

You should do this again but add glitches, it’s so interesting seeing all of the crazy glitches. Crazy glitches are actually the main reason I watch challenge videos.

[@pappy2690]

I like the zoom on the chapter titles. Along with the music changes it's good framing

[@SomeGalNamedEve]

The fact that put in the extra effort to add that unskippable ember & bulky bob-omb fight in Chapter 5 is so weird

[@JCarpinator]

Challenge idea: hammer only, one badge limit, Zess T. items used only. Or One Badge Hammer Man, the Zess T. Mega Fan.

[@GeorgeMarionerd]

It's funny that this whole video amounted to "I did it in one more turn than last time"

[@egbertmilton4003]

I can’t wait for the discovery of speedrun strats to see what exploits can be applied to this game for reducing turns

[@Stephen_809]

25:34 you got me on this one, audibly laughed in my dorm room

[@GHeinz]

well, i definitely don't think walking or jumping around a fight trigger counts as a glitch, but it makes sense you want to do it as "intended" as possible.

[@GHeinz]

also, pretty sure you can skip the siren fight in remake by like spin jumping over the railing. nice vid tho.

[@Robbie_Haruna]

@GHeinz The thing is, for the Three Shadows at least, it's a scripted story boss. If it being skippable was intended, they would have made you able to run away.

[@tsquitz]

the only reason I can think they didn't count it as a glitch is that A) it's more of an exploit as it uses intended game mechanics(waking), or B) it might be allowed in glitchless speedruns(haven't checked, so I don't know)

[@JoelTheParrot]

25:23 THIS IS THE FIRST I'M SEEING THIS, THAT'S SO COOOOOOOLLL!!!

[@evertime123]

"But first we need to talk about parallel universes"

[@sparklingrose6603]

I love that you mentioned someone who is a little better than you when it comes to your turn counter despite your strategy 😊

[@Cyberskullxx]

Cant wait for the no commands for the remake

[@PlatinumTeabag]

Bringle just dropped, can't make the funeral anymore.

[@MoonlitChris]

Great video as always Bringle, It's honestly tempting to try something like this for myself! Chapter 5 I think has the most potential for skipping turns since you're able to use i-frames to get past the second set of Bill Blasters on the way to Boat Curse and a well timed Yoshi hover to skip another on the way back; and speaking of that room with the extra Bulky Bob-Omb encounter, you actually are able to skip that fight using i-frames from running away so overall that's at least an extra three turns saved just from that one room! Also, Shadow Sirens Skip still works in the remake it just requires a spin jump over the railing instead of a jump. You could make the argument it's not a glitch since it's just a jump/spinjump but its cool either way. Sources: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmXReIRmmK-MprM kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZOypHhnbKdlmLM

[@Thisguy_2000]

Tremor they earth bit makes me laugh every time

[@healthyminds9279]

Very interesting run indeed. Love how it makes the whole game feel like one connected battle to strategize through.

[@kapikapisun]

29:27 Hey look its me!

[@kapikapisun]

But yeah that bulky bomb fight for me I only had it triggered when I went back for looking for stuff I missed because I was in the midst of 100%

[@guardian_angel8]

Iinm the fight only triggers when the Blasters are gone! If either of them are still present the fight doesn't happen

[@hAboyd]

It really is you!

[@ogredanhibiki]

I don't know if it's still the case but I remember creators in the last couple of years mentioning that streaming on your main channel can cause issues with the algorithm as your if your stream vods don't have a high watch time it will affect the chances of KZbin recommending any of your videos. It's why so many creators have separate channels for their streams and VODs, so they don't cause these issues with their main channel.

[@Skilltutorials99]

Great video.. as always!

[@Ant0ine526]

Very interesting concept keep up the good work 👍

[@adaogee8541]

the bomb and embers only appear if you killed both of the bullet blasters (if u run it won't happen)

[@ShellHg]

Livestreaming on KZbin in my experience is significantly better both as a streamer and a viewer in almost every aspect except for chat culture being kind of bland. But honestly, incorporating your subs through KZbin with streaming is so great and I can only fully recommend you do so if you want to stream!! Also, channel members with KZbin that get the emotes can use the emotes on comments to your videos which is pretty cool

[@DavMan1212]

Other than Hooktail, I think the most likely turn to skip would be the turn spent on the Red Bones in Chapter 8 with a bit over 100 more star points. You need to be level 13 and I think Bringle was almost level 12 after Gloomtail. Bringle could have gotten about 7 more star points by killing the required Bulky Bob-omb normally instead of blowing it up, but the rest would have to be gotten with at least two if not three well timed Merlee curses. I don't know the Merlee mechanics well enough to say if it's actually possible though.

[@dylanpeach2912]

woohoo! new bringle for my first day back at college- thanks bringle!

[@Migu1259]

Streaming Challenge Runs sounds neat

[@canadiantemple]

Glad to see you get around to this one! Suggestion for a future challenge: Pre-Hooktail Pit, but level up Koops instead of Goombella. I made that mistake on my first attempt... way harder.

[@NathanYouTubeGaming]

37 views in 1 minute? Bro is an amazing creator.

[@ElijahJohnson-np6pn]

Bro fell up

[@NathanYouTubeGaming]

Meta Stonks

[@quadrewplex6782]

Good ending

[@TiltCntrlz]

Looks like the big culprit for the variation in all 3 runs is Chapter 5.

[@Mathster321]

Opening the video with Terraria Calamity music? Let's gooo

[@BurgerBoyInvader]

I think you can still skip the second shadow siren fight by spin jumping over the fence on the second bridge to skip the trigger, but that might count as a glitch and not apply to your rules

[@Redpoppy80]

Love the Battle at Journey's End theme for chapter 3 given how intense it is for this challenge.

[@timonobel615]

Friendly reminder to brignle that the brongle channel exists

[@karlispovisils5297]

I think the point of that Big Bob-Omb ambush in Pirate’s Grotto is because most new players would likely have fought every enemy up to that point and they didn’t want a boring walk back, so they threw in one surprise encounter.

[@carolineneh2791]

I like how you remade the original thumbnail

[@AdaTheWatcher]

Also you can skip the three shadows with a well placed spin jump to get over the wall of the bridge.

[@Duckallister]

Gotta love the mario galaxy song for the moon chapter

[@Andee1234]

9:23 You can avoid that dry bones stupid easy if you take the far right corner and walk down all the way to the yellow block. It never wakes up and is easy to execute.

[@MrGuy271]

Anyone else wish they had better built-in ways to make the game more challenging? I was trying a double pain run and was surprised at how easy the game still is, since only Mario takes the double damage and can just hide behind his partner. These challenge runs are a little janky by comparison.

[@faithgrins]

Even though I agree it would be nice to have more in-game tools to add some challenge, I think it shows the strength of the Badge system that you have a wide latitude of difficulty you can achieve by just ignoring or utilizing certain badges or kinds of badges. E.g.: Hammerman + No Quick Change is surprisingly difficult for a build that is just one mandatory badge and one banned badge. That doesn't feel very "janky" or arbitrary to me, but YMMV.

[@sbkeel5639]

I got my Mario's attack power to 55 in my latest run and beat the hidden boss Wacka with 1 normal jump LOL it was funny!

[@packaday266]

You mentioned first strikes felt like they counted like a turn, but didn’t increase the counter for the first strikes on the goombas in chapter 6. That’d put you at 83 total turns for the remake. Awesome video as always though!

[@BringlesCan]

I probably should have clarified more: I think first strikes where you enter the battle and defeat the enemy should count. Using first attack and defeating an enemy in the overworld does not count as you never entered the battle. The reason I didn’t count Artur U’s extra first attack kills is because he grinded levels with first strikes to get them, not because those specific kills (embers and bones) should count as a turn.

[@lightbringer24]

29:25 it may be similar to a spiny fight in paper jam that only appears if you get to a certain point in the desert and haven't fought any spinies before then

[@dantemiller2839]

NOT THE MISCHIEF MAKERS SOUNDTRACK

[@PIXELPulse-gh3gp]

It’s amazing how much content you manage to make on a 20 year old game . This is not hate , far from it . This is genuine praise

[@ryanmcpherson2001]

Couldn't you technically defeat Hooktail in 2 turns already? All you would need to do is use the hammer turn 1 with the cricket/frog badge to lower Hooktail defense then make sure Goombella is in peril with mega rush p equipped and then multibonk with 4 bounces to get the other 19 damage. Then after hooktail heals you can just multibonk again for the last 10 damage?

[@--Glory--]

bringling out rn

[@tomjackal5708]

i mean, you can get infinite money in a variety of ways after beating chapter 1. hell, if you're willing you can do it from killing the bugs in the prologue. so basically anything you can buy with money is completely available

[@dodiswatchbobobo]

Big Tootsie Roll Pop energy on this one.

[@BringlesCan]

I so badly need you to explain what this means

[@Chreed96]

Love seeing my name at the end lmao

[@healthyminds9279]

I also really like seeing your name each and every time

[@nyon7209]

I'd count first strikes as like, not a turn, but still counted. So like "this many turns and this many First Strikes"

[@sunnyta1990]

I feel this is an unpopular opinion but I think the remake is waaay better than the original. It has so much love put into it and I love the extra bosses

[@Ramperdos]

Interesting how close it ended up being even though you fine tuned your strategies!

[@fdskellyngton]

I approve of this video.

[@koopakid4239]

Suggestion: do this for the pit

[@healthyminds9279]

Would just need to have a rule that makes movers consistent or bans them

[@Kingpin_2058]

So close to 50K!

[@WereDictionary]

"Yeah so in order to save a single turn we just have to rollback the entire shopping rewards list, thats only a three quarters of what our coin max used to be. So here is how you get four parallel universes ahead of the game, it only takes an hour." Also I cant get over how you named Doopliss "FUCKFACE" in all caps. Jesus Christ that one completely blindsided me :D

[@aChaomein]

Didn’t they change it so you can walk off the map within chapters? Like at the connections between scenes there’s no rail guard and I think I remember being able to trigger the new “don’t fall off” animation

[@dbeast03]

Would love some streams even if I would miss most of 'em to college. YT can work, at least as a good place to start considering the size of the channel. Twitch is better for some things but no streaming options are ideal, and I think YT is probably better for medium to small channels.

[@xXHippoZillaXx]

you can skip shadow sirens in chapter 8 in the remake aswell

[@Bupboy]

Hey pringle what's your favorite bringles flavor?

[@SomeGalNamedEve]

Somewhere in an alternate universe:

[@AdaTheWatcher]

Do you think you could do a bug fables minimum turns run?

[@healthyminds9279]

Bug Fables would be a great way for Bringl to take a refresher from Paper Mario while still appealing to the same audience

[@1samper122]

Can't you grab mega rush P earlier and peril strat multibonk to kill Hooktail faster? What am I missing?

[@minirop]

someone """needs""" to do a lotad of the OG to see if with optimal strats how much the number can dwindle (can be done with and without glitches)

[@grahamtek]

You can one shot each hoocktail phase with mega rush p

[@aydeniswise4081]

We’re so bringle back

[@Negativeduelist]

Bringle lore he got the idea for remaking this video because of the koopa petal meadows fight

[@Ly..]

"New" huge bringle content(?)

[@halibutcannon5457]

I've been watching alot of your videos and noticed your an octopath traveler fan. Are you planning on making videos from that game cus that would be awesome.😀👍

[@klug24]

as someone who actually needs accessibility options in a lot of games, i seriously think kinds of changes like the one at 30:30 should be optional. all those kinds of changes do is make the game very slightly easier Sometimes, which isn't inherently more accessible to disabled players - a player who struggles with highly saturated colors, flashing lights, color blindness, other vision problems, etc. wouldn't really benefit from that, and those players are usually pretty much totally ignored when "accessibility" changes are made... while it's probably great for kids who don't know how to do inventory and resource management yet, or people who only really play for the story, it's not particularly helpful for Anyone Else. if they're going to make you heal after bosses, it should either be consistently after every boss (and something you can turn off) or just not at all.

[@willburbur3793]

What was your updated optimal on the old version? If you implemented everything you know now, would that 79 be a 76? just seems like a better comparison for how many turns the remake adds

[@NachoWindham]

I think bomb squad still works actually, I managed to do it on accident my first attempt

[@ryanplonowski413]

Could hypothetically beat hook tail in 2 turns with the double dips from the pit which you get via mover abuse to 4 thunder rage hooktail. However you lack the fp and bp in this scenario

[@The.Real.Strudl]

I actually never fought Smorg's 2nd phase in my first playtgrough. I have no idea what happened but yeah i never fought the claw thing

[@KuRRiiZMa]

hell yea, please live stream, id watch

[@Zanedotmidi]

Could you use a power punch on Yoshi VS Adonis Twins?

[@BringlesCan]

Nope, no attack buffs whatsoever increase the damage on the second Iron Cleft

[@evanwright365]

Theres water in glitzville brother

[@AbruptAvalanche]

Where is there water in Glitzville?

[@Rodocter2023]

But it's unreachable.

[@General12th]

Hi Bringic!

[@deathblowringo4168]

If Gus fight was included, it would have been 81 Turns.

[@fridaynightfunkinfan5627]

You can buy the First Attack badge from the Lovely House of Badges right after 2. That means you could’ve taken out both bill blaster types without going into a fight. Is that right, or the same scenario as the “bones” family?

[@BringlesCan]

Same scenario as the bones, if we allowed grinding first strikes for infinite exp then we could kill all bill blasters with first attack as well. I still feel like this is against the spirt of the challenge though lol

[@yeagherpollock2485]

25:34 is nobody gonna talk about the name he put😂😅

[@NiceBoyAdam]

I like your rules a lot more. How is entering a battle and battling not a turn? First strike definitely counts as a turn

[@Bupboy]

My guess is that since first strikes can finish enemies before they attack (if you're smart about it), the turn cycle doesn't actually proceed, thus not counting as a turn Or intelligent systems is just insane, who knows

[@NiceBoyAdam]

@@Bupboy if you engaged in combat, it’s a turn

[@Bupboy]

@@NiceBoyAdam thats just my guess ok? I don't really know for a fact what the logic there was

[@TheGeladoo]

​He explains it in the video, it's because in the game's code, it's not counted as a turn until Mario can actually select an attack. In the code, the first strike, whether it be from Mario or the enemy, is more of a pre-battle move, like it's just the way the battle started and not part of the battle itself. So "technically" the first strike isn't part of a turn, which is why the other video doesn't count them. In my opinion, though, it should count for a challenge run like this, otherwise it gets too grindy like with the Buzzy strategy shown

[@jonathanrussell6525]

There’s two schools of logic for these kinds of things. Cold hard game mechanics versus semantics and vibes. Neither option is inherently wrong.

[@thatsynchroplayingguy4900]

bringo brongo

[@PJKochan]

Oddity to upload on a Monday

[@healthyminds9279]

I super appreciate all these runs, but I feel bad that you gotta suffer through all the unskippable slow dialogue and cutscenes every time. I wouldn't blame you if you wanted to do some GameCube version challenges until somebody makes a solution to the Switch version dialogue.

[@torbenreinert5602]

nice video

[@miguelfenerol827]

For chapter 5 lord crump, if you use 2 point swap with overworld hazard, couldn’t you have a peril partner for saving a turn ?

[@BringlesCan]

Point Swap can’t be used in the overworld, therefore it would still take an extra turn to use it during the fight

[@CD-vk2cj]

11:55 Can’t you go get the megarush p badge before hooktail get goombella to 1hp then 2 turn hooktail with multibonk?

[@marcwidmayer8128]

If you could get Gumbrina to 1 HP, you should be able to beat Hooktail in 1 Turn thanks to Power Rush P, but its impossible in this challenge to get her so low

[@zeckemyro7031]

Y-you said badge points :o

[@SourceOfBeing]

Is a badgeless run of Thousand Year Door possible?