How Marvel Got Boring

[@Timewarpiaman]

What I find hilarious is James Gunn wrote a movie saying "If you keep treating your creative people as disposable they'll eventually revolt against you" and yet the studios still acted surprised when the strikes happened.

[@kerwinbrown4180]

What creative people. The creativeness crashed first. The strike is because the economy sucks.

[@TheInevitableHulk]

​@@kerwinbrown4180Do you have a single fact to back that up?

[@kerwinbrown4180]

@@TheInevitableHulk Did you listen to the video which made just that point? They even proposed a hypothesis about why it crashed.

[@pandorasboxzone5462]

studios still ACTED surprised... Well said🙃

[@arysetyawan4110]

Its needed for insurance claim

[@maddie9602]

That last part about Mattel is _so_ depressing. Not only are they just chasing what worked last, Hollywood consistently takes away the _wrong lessons._ People didn't like Barbie because it was Barbie, they liked Barbie because Greta Gerwig had a strong artistic vision and Margot Robbie and Ryan Gosling turned in excellent performances. But just like every other successful movie, watch as the executives mindlessly ape surface features, while completely missing the point that good movies happen when talented people are given the freedom to make art.

[@MeghanBean]

Yyyeesssssss

[@davidmhh9977]

Todd McFarlane, the guy who revitalized Spiderman in the 90's and went on to form Image comics summed up being a creative in a corporate world best. When he started working on Spiderman, no one still cared about the comic at the time, so Marvel just let him do whatever he wanted with it. It became a hit, so as a result, Marvel became really controlling with the character, took away creative control, the thing that made it popular in the first place

[@One.Zero.One101]

It also happened in the Game of Thrones clones. They took the wrong lesson on what made it good and produced some boring ass copies like Marco Polo from Netflix.

[@diddly-squat9332]

Algorithms don't belong in art and creativity, just like marketing should not dictate what art is.

[@jonsmith8608]

Tell that to stable diffusion bub

[@forrest_wilkins]

Artists have always used tools to express themselves, and algorithms can be developed by non-capitalist entities.

[@123shotas]

​​@@forrest_wilkinshahahahaha, show us at least one 😂 Every company cares about profits foremost, everything else secondly

[@MrJanus19]

the neural networks of future decades will be drinking your creative milkshake

[@alexbirdfox]

@@123shotas I've done alright for myself working as an attraction for big buisnesses so I guess that's one for you

[@ThatOneGuy7550]

Would like more film/philosophy videos, I miss that old content

[@cobracommander8133]

This. 💯% this.

[@alfredolouiebrian980]

Missing Jared too

[@l3847]

Me too! Those are what got me onto Wisecrack in the first place

[@ThatOneGuy7550]

@larissawest3847 Yeah same here. I don't come to the channel so often anymore, not that the new video topics are bad, but I miss the mixing of pop culture, media analysis and philosophy

[@Jade-uv3qb]

I miss deep or dumb!!!

[@Skvm]

I think the problem is they want to make movies that are safe and have wide appeal. Make lots of money. It’s not about the art. At least for those who fund it

[@wynonasbigbrowndragon6121]

They sell. The majority of human beings are tasteless morons. Making good art isn't necessary to generate revenue.

[@josephyoung6749]

@@KaleighCee the real danger is when they realize movies aren't working anymore to pacify the populace...

[@maartenvz]

Yeah these blockbusters are investments, not art. Its like going to McDonalds, you already what predictable mediocre shit you are going to get but the masses still think its good enough and here we are.

[@One.Zero.One101]

Yes it's always been that way, but there's been a dramatic shift recently and movies no longer feel like the director's medium, it feels like the studio's medium. It feels like the studio is making the movie and the directors are just consultants. In fact we've heard directors turn down Marvel and Lucasfilm because they feel this way. I think this is because of the multiverse inter-connectivity, directors have so little leg room to do what they want, they just obey whatever Feige and Kennedy tell them word for word.

[@grammy_enthusiast]

The problem with Hollywood is that: 1. Once they spot something that worked, they want to copy and paste it until it becomes boring. 2. A lot creative individuals (writers, vfx artists, etc) are being treated like shit. 3. There is a lot of politics when it comes to making movies. 4. There is a lot of jealousy and animosity.

[@jamjox9922]

5. They are controlled mostly by a few people. Unions are the only way to effectively have leverage for the MAJORITY of people that work in Hollywood. Without unions a lot of these people wouldn't be able to have long-term careers in the business; it's too dirty and filled with a few rich names that have the most power.

[@j.e.s.m.4686]

Agree, this whole Hollywood situation is what is causing creativity to go to waste for now. Hollywood is now becoming the worst place to work in history. They don't care about art and their employees, all they care about is the money, their stocks and investors more than the projects they greenlit and publish. It's becoming nothing but a joke, a depressing idiotic joke. If you're planning to joined them, don't think on doing it, 'cause it will only crush your dreams and never allow you're ideas to become reality. if you wanna become an actor, artist, producer, animator or/and filmmaker, go make you're own studio and find people who can help you. It's time for indie filmmakers and indie animators to rise up. We don't need hollywood to do our jobs, we can do it all by ourselves with NO corporations in control of us. Spread the word and don't let them take your dreams and ideas down. I also really like public domain too 'cause it gives content creators and filmmakers/artists liberties on creating something that they might enjoy. Sure, they might be some who just want to make or adapt other IPs into crappy projects for the sake gaining money but NOT everyone are like that; they are other content creators out there who want to create something that they are passionate about and show how much they actually do care and love the IP we grow up with. If everything turned public domain within 14 or 4 years, I would make a Lion King, Super Mario or Marvel film/series with my own ideas with endless possbilities and apportunities.

[@buttersleopaldstoch5793]

I have been enjoying going back to the theatres this past year seeing lots of random Movies. Algorithms are killing discovery and variety. I don't want everything to be consolidated into one bread

[@Bustermachine]

Indeed. I've been finding myself visiting book stores and libraries more rather than less because part of what makes media so enjoyable is serendipity. Don't get me wrong, I've read and watched 'top ten books and movies' lists in the past. Nobody wants to be swindled or invest their time in something interesting. But if you're try to find something new, or something new to you, there's really no choice but to take a risk. And I suppose, in a weird way, that's kinda what makes the whole data based marketing so unpleasant, eventually what can it due but feast upon itself.?

[@germen2631]

For someone really into videogames, it is interesting to see this problem projecting to films. We have the exact same issue with AAA games. For me, the solution was actually quite simple, get into the indie side of the industry. This place is wonderful and filled with gems, but I'll admit, it requires some personal investment to *find* those titles.

[@Eagle3302PL]

I think casual gamers are way more fickle than casual movie goers. So in video games the risk/reward are both much higher. We still have some big profile risk takers, e.g. Kojima with Death Stranding. But due to increased complexities of game development we don;t just end up with boring regurgitated slop like e.g. Marvel puts out. Instead we get borderline unusable abandon-ware like Anthem.

[@Nestor_Makhno]

​@@Eagle3302PLAlso, because of the time sinvestment a game can represent I think the more casual gamer gives more weight on player/viewer reviews, which puts more influence in the hands of the average avid gamer as opposed to the average film buff. A game that gets reviewbombed suffers more than a film which gets the same treattment

[@xBINARYGODx]

@@Eagle3302PL Kojima and DS was not even close to a risk - it was him making a Sony game, and it was most def not the most expensive film, I mean game that he made. If you want actually risk, dont look at anything Sony makes - this aint 20 years ago.

[@drjjloveman]

Just about everything has become garbage in the last few years. It started before the pandemic but it has definitely been ramping up recently. Some indie games are ok but I hate buying games that don't offer a demo. And for most games even the indie ones there are micro transactions. I would love if they made a new elder scrolls or Kotor game but it's like all we get are rereleases, shooting games, sports/racing games. The outer worlds was probably the last fun AAA game I played and that seems like an eternity ago.

[@kencarson666]

@@Eagle3302PLpeople still buy 2k and madden, that’s not a small portion of casual gamers. I think that video game companies aren’t forced to make creative shit, so they can keep pumping out crap like this, GTA V was genius in 2013 so they should leave it to rest in 2024 😭

[@IamBananas007]

I'm glad this is getting recognized and talked about. TV, movies and music is becoming bloated mess of regurgitated formulaic Crap over past decade. It's hard to wade through it to find the good unique stuff

[@jonathanguzman3044]

the best example of this is watching an action/comic book movie like Robocop, starship troopers or Dredd(2012) and comparing it to anything Marvel has produced in the least 5 years. The former are original, philosophical, thought-provoking, serious and badass masterpieces aimed at adults while the latter are , like you said, formulaic crap that tries to cram in as many cheesy corny quips/jokes as possible aimed at teens. also those marvel movies are filled with pro- law enforcement and pro-military industrial complex messaging.

[@franekkkkk]

It’s not actually that hard. People just don’t care.

[@makielcepeda9003]

The Creators looks great that's next and some horror movies looks grewts

[@MistaZULE]

what frustrates me is when we do get original creative stories, the algorithm decides to cancel them because the metrics showed it wasn't popular. 1899 on Netflix was a really well made, original and creative show from two creators who made the best show on Netflix (Dark) and they couldn't get a second season because the metrics that netflix uses to track popularity deemed it wasn't popular enough. Allowing data and metrics to dictate art will always end badly. Art cannot be calculated based on metrics and data.

[@alicewright4322]

the tip of the "iceberg" of movies has been dominated by formulaic crap for decades; but below the surface are all kinds of movies that violate the formula. I feel like less and less people are cinephiles, so less of the interesting stuff is unearthed and discussed, and sometimes finding the subterranean gems yourself can feel like searching for a needle in a haystack.

[@equitesloricatus6035]

Novel writer here. Same problem in fiction, lately. The Amazon algorithm is so categorical, anything that doesn’t rigidly adhere to genre conventions struggles. Yes, established authors can do what they want, but it’s always been that way. Us guys on the bottom are stuck churning our formulaic, derivative garbage while we delude ourselves by claiming we’ll “make it” someday. But even if we do, we’ll be making it as authors who specialize in “Setting 53, plot 12, character 6” Despite having more space than ever for creatives, the internet is so tribal and siloed, much of our art is devoid of real meaning, heart, or soul. And the same language we once used to encourage that is now the tool of the oppressor.

[@xczechr]

Did you just call your own work garbage? Yikes.

[@williampark979]

@@xczechrdid you just miss the whole point of this comment? yikes 😬

[@elmerglue21]

You’re a good writer at least, enjoyed reading your comment

[@equitesloricatus6035]

@@elmerglue21 Thank you! I appreciate that!

[@yourregularlyscheduledrob5776]

I’ve always been a big fan of this channel using popular and modern culture to ask deeper questions that aren’t as often considered in common forums. Keep it up!

[@misogikumagawa6322]

These types of videos are the reason why i subscribed in the first place. The breakdown and analysis of how media imitates society and vice-versa is always so fascinating and this channel always puts out bangers. Please do more

[@ChineduOpara]

I concur! I vote for this comment 2️⃣

[@Conduit23]

So say we all.

[@davidmurphree6020]

All the great movies were done by people who just thought it up, did it, and hoped it would hit. William Goldman (the writer/screenwriter) said of Hollywood, "nobody knows anything." He's still 100 percent correct, yet the entertainment business is swarming with yahoos that think some algorithm can predict/make success. It's like roulette. Thousands of "systems" yet nobody can beat the house.

[@miguelvelez7221]

Bill was so correct but yet online film culture is nothing but people quoting axioms they think are absolutes about every aspect of film making.

[@jamjox9922]

The algorithm isn't anything new either. Before it became a big thing, there were two guys that were sure they could categorize all blockbusters and oscar winners into a formula that would be sold to Hollywood in order to make hit movie after hit movie. This was catalogued in a one of Malcolm Gladwell's books if I remember right. It was brief, but these two dudes were so secretive that they were so close to finding the secret sauce into what makes a hit film. I doubt they made anything with the idea.

[@rodneykelly8768]

Back when I was a kid, there was a theory that stated that everything was based on mathematics. I heard someone say, "We're going to send the engineers back to school to learn psychology." And then "Chaos Theory" came along and ruined everything.

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

What's Chaos Theory?

[@rodneykelly8768]

Multiple possible results from the same initial conditions. @@kittykittybangbang9367

[@healthiswealth1452]

I also like snickers

[@melaniey.5596]

Amusingly, the theory that you are describing reminds me of what the Pythagorean cult believed. That everything in reality could be defined in numbers/mathematics (or something like that).

[@firebrook9]

It’s worth noting that the “perfect world” is stuck in the 80s, just as Hollywood is obsessed with the 80s and nostalgia-bait

[@MrQuantumInc]

It is often said that the problem with movies as art is that they are also a business; and the problem with movies as business is that they are also an art. This definitely results in personal conflict between those who serve certain roles. The thing is that over the last decade or two it is clear that the balance of power shifted towards the business side, and perhaps it is time it shifted back.

[@thesnesgeek]

It can happen

[@DanielGarcia-rx3kt]

One way to simplify the whole argument is this: ☯️. All Order has/needs a little Chaos and all Chaos needs a little Order otherwise it's unnatural. These algorithmic movies are literally missing the little bit of opposing elements for spice.

[@MrBazBake]

The algorithms are actually just copying the things the studio controls and not the people who make the movies. They're not copying the actors, the writers, or even the directors. They're copying marketing and franchise IP. Studios use AI to farm movie ideas minus creative talent so they don't have to rely on people who can do what executives can't. There's an article on Variety that was about the early production of Secret Invasion talking about how Marvel has writer's rooms but then puts a junior executive with no storytelling experience in charge to throw out scripts and demand revisions without knowing what a good script is or how it's written.

[@AlmostEthical]

Daniel, the same could be aid about society at large. Authoritarians try to limit chaos in their society without realising that chaos sparks creativity. The only reason Xi's China has done so well is that the population is too big to control, so there's still plenty of healthy chaos in the country. By comparison, NK is a disaster because Kim has eliminated anything unpredictable (aside from himself) and the nation is hopelessly stagnant - kind of like Hollywood ATM.

[@UnreasonableOpinions]

The whole point of data-driven decisionmaking is that it lets executives pretend that they actually understand the decisions they are making that affect huge creative gambits and so avoid having to trust those icky weird artist types, but unwittingly end up handing most of that power to the people who write these algorithms since they refuse to actually understand those either.

[@stephendaley266]

The end goal of Capitalism is to have the billionaires own everything, have the billionaires' servants run everything, and have the rest of the population reduced to the level of working poor or unemployable lumpen. Marx was right. Destroy Capitalism before it destroys humanity.

[@morehero1]

We are not sick of superhero movies. We are sick of bad superhero movies. Edit: I think I created a comment war.

[@venicec3310]

Nah im sick of superheroes in general pretty much 70% of whats in theaters now or its a remake or sequel of something that was done better in the past

[@Bustermachine]

​@@venicec3310 I think it's the sheer rate of production rather than the overall quantity of Super Hero movies that's leading to the sense of fatigue. That is to say, nobody is looking at the last 15 years of MCU films and thinking 'oh god I'm so fatigued' they're thinking about the fact that, between the MCU films, the limited series, the sony films, the DCU films, and the DCU series, we're getting like six major super hero productions a year now. None of them have time to breath. None of them have time to feel special. And many of them are designs to segue directly into the next project as an advertisement for and advertisement for an advertisement. Part of the reason I think Barbie and Openheimer were so celebrated this summer, they were very good movies, was also just that they weren't Super Hero movies. They were a moody biopic and a light surrealist social commentary. They both felt like a breath of fresh air.

[@hannahmetzger4880]

​@@BustermachineI _wholeheartedly_ agree. :3.

[@damianalejandro6959]

I am sick of superheroes.

[@queztocoaxial]

Speak for yourself. I've been sick of literally all superhero movies for over a decade now. What made superhero movies fun back in the day was that they were only an occasional thing. When every big movie is a superhero movie then there's nothing special about any of them.

[@tybkc87]

Love using film as a relatable vehicle to discuss topics like this.

[@axellis8333]

As a side note, I really enjoy the most recent season of Harley Quinn which to me seems to be projecting the message of: Things are fucked, but you can't fix it by trying to work within the system. A broken system will only give broken results and must be disrupted then fixed from the outside. Ivy through her smash the patriarchy villain arc, and Harley through her villain/hero identity crisis

[@dmitrikroeker883]

This, this is the kind of content I’ve been missing from you guys. Love to see it coming back

[@venicec3310]

Love that mos def and talib kweli shirt, oh and im definitely ready for the superhero era to be over so formulaic and corny its even worse then the vampire era

[@mycrazylife1111]

Great video as always - I do enjoy these sorts of vids where you look at issues like AI and data collection through the lens of something fun and widely relatable as you did here with Guardians 3. And a good point that the existence of an alcohol-free alcohol industry speaks volumes about our culture, as it parallels the entertainment-free entertainment industry, the food-free food industry, etc etc...

[@TheSuperJCN]

I started following this channel because of the "philosophy of vader/daredevil/etc" and stayed because of the other ways you guys cover philosophy and contemporary issues But I will say that I miss those videos about using popular media to analyze what is going on in the world, and would love to see you doing that kind of content again

[@thebookofdaniel5837]

Why is this video so chill? It feels like Michael is just chatting to us casually like where his friends. But like more so than previous vids. I like it😌

[@17jbeltran]

not an out of work artist, but I am a cog in a different machine. I've been feeling the woes of monotonous cog-life lately as I've been fighting/applying for a promotion to support a dream that feels out reach. All that to say, that when you ended the video on "you're good enough", I felt that too. Thanks as always

[@jimslim2831]

I was a Marvel comics kid, only reading classic DC runs in my late 20’s. This video now has me so stoked for the new DC Universe Gunn is preparing. I still really want MCU X-Men, but I really hope Gunn makes the DCU the best superhero movies ever, if only to force Marvel to wake TF up and fix their own house themselves.

[@TheStardustConspiracy]

The moment you hear that a movie is having focus groups to see what works best is the moment you understand that there’s no place for creativity and art in these films

[@mattdeinken6580]

No more john cena,dwayne Johnson in superhero movies,no more fast and furious movies

[@alexbirdfox]

I know algorithms are killing my art page. Also great to see the black star shirt again. Best alliance in hiphop

[@kyle.Al196]

I understand what your going through my man. I think the reason why current superhero and tv shows have been struggling with fans and audiences is that these stories are becoming more repetitive and predictable. Now I do know with the beginning phase of phase 4, marvel stated that the first line up of movies were going to be experimental with different genres. From spy espionage like black widow, martial arts like Shang-chi, mythological epics like the Eternals, and especially horror in doctor strange and the multiverse of madness. The one thing I strongly believe is that the MCU should be willing to make movies and tv shows that are rated R and MA for characters that are perfectly suited for that mature element. For example, Deadpool 3 is going to be the first MCU movie that has an R rating, and recently it was announced that daredevil born again Disney plus show I’ll be much like the original Netflix series. I have faith that Kevin Feige will make this happen, he’s done a good job with the early stages of the marvel cinematic universe to epic success of a avengers endgame.

[@AKen_Films]

While I agree with you about the repetition and predicability of the movies I don't really agree with you about the shows. The Marvel shows are arguable more experimental than the movies ever have been however, they are struggling because Marvel over hedged their bets on tying the MCU chronology to the shows and shows are simply harder to keep up with than the movies where. If you don't already have Disney Plus or have it but didn't watch Wanda Vision, or Loki, or Falcon and the Winter Soldier when they first dropped then it makes going to the movies feel like added homework. So you missed Wanda Vision? Too bad because Dr. Strange and the Multiverse is supposed to pick up where that show left off and you gotta binge watch 8 hours of tv to get caught up. Oh! But wait! we just dropped Moon Knight and Ms. Mravel on Disney Plus and we got a The Marvel's movie coming out later and you're interested in that right?? It's a classic case of resting on their laurels pumping out content assuming the audience is there for it. Audiences will continue to like superheros, we just don't want what these studio are doing with them.

[@kyle.Al196]

@@AKen_Films I did watch Wanda Vision and when it first came out

[@AKen_Films]

@@kyle.Al196 Buddy, that was a hypothetical. I never claimed you didn't. Just pointing out that many did miss out and Marvel's shows/movies where releasing at pace that makes it impossible to keep up with.

[@Antwannnn]

@@AKen_Films lol they missed that entire thing and yeah disney has realized this, thats why they fired chapek and rehired iger. it'll come back to quality over quantity.

[@Antwannnn]

Where was it said the Daredevil series would be like the Netflix show? Charlie Cox has said the exact opposite.

[@ana_goncalves]

I've thought about this and it's 100% my opinion too. I think the great thing about creativity is giving us something we haven't seen before, in a context we haven't been. It's surprising. And data is the exact opposite: you need a lot of it for an output, and if we've seen something too many times, it's just boring.

[@kinglowtier]

More videos like this would be amazing! I don't know how people don't like this type of content. They're crazy!

[@misterelom]

Great video! The flu analogy about the industry is pretty spot on. And I saw GOTG 3 and it never dawned on me that it was pretty much a metaphor for the current state of the industry. Not only does this make me want to go back and watch it again with all this in mind, but it has me anticipating Superman Legacy even more.

[@Ashtarte3D]

Literally the only movie I'm currently looking forward to is Dune II and almost exclusively because Denis Villeneuve has never made a bad film. Villeneuve is my favorite director right now, with MIke Flannagan a close second, and neither can do any wrong in my eyes.

[@josephyoung6749]

Figuratively speaking, the real issue is Dr. Strange appearing in a Spiderman movie, almost like the movie was Spiderman going to Disney to ride the Dr. Strange ride. It's how Disney thinks. And that's why it's such a startlingly clear qualitative break from Wandavision and Loki, the MCU features that immediately preceded that Spiderman movie.

[@anarchistcop8239]

This is the first one of your videos I watched to the end in months. Please, more of this 'Classical philosophy looks at pop media' stuff.😂

[@beccangavin]

I love it when you guys talk about media - movies, video games, etc. I like the rest of your content too, but this was fun and interesting! It’s kind of the reason I started watching this channel.

[@snapfest10]

YES! BRING BACK MORE OF THE MOVIE/MUSIC/CULTURE ANALYSIS THROUGH PHILOSOPHY! that's what drew me to this channel initially years ago. Jared's TV/Film videos and EARTHLING CINEMA were awesome. I miss Garix Wormuloid! haha

[@thischannelisdecommissioned]

Algorithms are going to be the death of humanity at this point.

[@banditxo2909]

Would love to hear a parallel to Spotify/Music Industry

[@WisecrackEDU]

Very good idea.

[@johnjohnson8575]

My favorite youtubers used to do just this. Use pop culture to help explore society. It was fun and explorative. But most have splinter into either exploring pop culture with a tinge of societal exploration or have dropped the pop culture aspect in their societal critique. I'm down fore more of this honestly, it helps to make me feel more connected.

[@coolitorrico]

Looking forward to Dune part 2, Villeneuve has been consistently great

[@andrewchambers9752]

Same here. It is the only movie I'm looking forward to seeing.

[@daviddelille1443]

What I want from Wisecrack is thought-provoking content (like this) that sparks insights beyond the topic of the video. For example, that movie studios run by non-creatives are like hospitals run by non-doctors: they might make more money in the short term but if success is determined by soulless profits, that's all you'll end up with.

[@timhanson3678]

Love this content ❤. Really got me reflecting on the media I consume. Hope there’s more of it.

[@welldonemovies]

Parallel thinking here! lol i just put out an article on my blog a few days ago called 'The Death of the Blockbuster' covering this topic. I will be honest though, Wisecrack examines the affect of algorithms on the current state in Hollywood - whereas, I did not. I chose to focus on the same trend that appeared in the 70s with the film Easy Rider ruling the box office while larger productions flailed and floundered.... Interesting, the different angles one can take in discussing the crisis in Hollywood. Thanks for covering it Wisecrack!

[@TwinRiver100]

13:02 The Creator Yup Killers of the Flower Moon. I listened to the book, really liked it. Scorsese was a good choice. Looking forward to this. Blanking on more...I might come back later if I remember.

[@gabbyramirez7095]

Hearing James Gunn taking on this new executive position makes me wonder if anyone can ever effect change from within the system or will people always be corrupted by whatever system they enter into? Also I loved your old Philosophy takes on Movies & TV! I hope you can make more videos like that in the future!

[@XmarkedSpot]

well that was meta in a worryingly seductive way

[@mrpink8951]

Please do more videos like this. I miss the old content, and I love the new twist of “how can we fix this?”

[@ChristianFrates1997]

The early 2000s were the peak of pop culture, no algorithms.

[@riyansita9568]

You misspelled "nineties"

[@dwinosam]

Actually, late 90s

[@MrTaxiRob]

that's why The Matrix simulation of Earth is set in that era

[@Eagle3302PL]

There were algorithms, it's just that back then the data was about companies not individuals, now everyone willingly gives away all their behavioural data and corporations gladly take it to generate models.

[@RobertKing-e5i]

I'm happy to see Wisecrack bringing Harari into the discussion. I've been wanting to suggest it for a while as I think his concept of Sapiens' need for the belief in myths to be applicable to many of the philosophical discussions on Wisecrack. Good job!

[@Mr.Coffee576]

Im excited for whatever final movie Quinten Tarantino is going to make. Please let it be Kill Bill 3.

[@davidmurphree6020]

He's already announced it will be "The Movie Critic" and set in 1977. Which probably means it will be a lament about how Star Wars is going to kill movies by forcing every studio to get and keep a recipe for a hit movie. In other words, an algorithm.

[@woodencoyote4372]

The only thing I'm looking forward to seeing in cinemas is in October when the Dominion Theatre in London live-broadcasts their stage musical of 'The Prince of Egypt' (guys, there's a stage musical of 'Prince of Egypt'!). I couldn't think of a single new movie I actually want to see - I even looked through the upcoming features in my area.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Honestly my money and interest are in the animated realm, specially with master pieces such as Across the Spider-verse, and no matter how much Beyond takes it gonna be worth it! The animators deserve the best!

[@MisterCynic18]

I'd say the problem has been around even longer in animation. Disney practically patented the formula of derivative IPs and uninspired sequels.

[@GIR135791]

How did you post these emojis

[@rin55]

I want more of good books turned into movies and series. There has been a lack of those

[@diogomoraes6790]

Great video, script and delivery were on fire! Definitely would like to see more of these again.

[@heaththeemissary3824]

This was vert good. Yes, please do more like this. Film is a very big part of culture and your critiques of culture are always insightful. We can expect nothing less from the capital class than reducing anything - machines, inventory, humans - to capital. That's their jam. I honestly think that if there was a way for Bezos to just hire the arms of Amazon warehouse workers he would. So I can easily believe that studio execs just want writers as copy editors. The thing with AI is (1) none of what we are seeing is actually "AI", and (2) all it can do is shuffle. It cannot create yet. So as David Hyde Pierce said when he won one of his Emmys, "Because without the writers __________"

[@mehmocan3346]

hell yeah we want some more movie analyses. that´s why i started watching this channel years ago and that´s what - not to diminish the value of the other stuff - are your best pieces. Even scrolled through "show me the meaning" recently only to find that there are no new episodes ;(

[@DocAkh]

Your breakdowns of movies/TV are the reason i subscribed in the first place! Give the ppl what they want

[@TheCreepypro]

what I find most ironic is that once marty scorcese said that these movies weren't true cinema just theme park rides the response of the people making those kinds of movies was to prove him right

[@RJ_Ehlert]

It's almost like the love of money is the root of all evil, or something.

[@tylermitchell7686]

YEA! Hot takes on current movie/"TV" franchises is more than welcome in my watch list! Do it again, please!

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Thanks as always Michael! Always look forward to your videos🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤ Leave a hearth ❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@kingrubin4]

I really missed this type of wisecrack video. Plzz make more like this. This is good!!

[@That_Deuce]

I loved this style of video, and I would love to see more videos that compare modern issues to films!

[@aaronbono4688]

I'm surprised that Netflix collects so much data and refines their platform. I say that because I used to have Netflix back in there very early days when they were still shipping out DVDs and I loved their interface but today I absolutely hate it because I can't find anything to watch and it's why I don't have Netflix anymore. Of course all of the platforms look like that now and I hate them all.

[@BluePhoenix7373]

Yes, *please* do more videos like this! I think they make problems and ideas more accessible to people who might not understand them otherwise (including myself, sometimes), and that’s fantastic.

[@moehammoud1]

I like having having the gunn interview video start as the narration leads into it. Props to the editor

[@Comicbroe405]

Wtf did my guy James Gunn do 😭?

[@Z3nHolEminD]

He’s a fxcking PIE pirate

[@Newton-Reuther]

Ruined superhero movies

[@MsTriangle]

Quite the opposite

[@nalday2534]

​@@Newton-Reutherby making the few good ones?

[@Newton-Reuther]

@nalday2534 I would necessarily call The Suicide Squad good. I enjoyed it, but I'll watch anything that is adjacent to Batman.

[@vbkllr]

I've been missing this content! I would love to see more deep dives into movies and TV to express bigger philosophical and political ideas.

[@patrickgreene2062]

I'm taking a doctoral seminar on digital rhetorics and I've been thinking a lot about appropriation and AI flattening linguistic expression. This video got a lot of ideas flowing. Thank you!

[@Rodprz73]

More of these, please. It was the main reason I subscribed years ago

[@matthewreid5539]

Please more film/philosophy videos!

[@WisecrackEDU]

We wanna do them! Just need folks to watch them.

[@ChineduOpara]

​@@WisecrackEDUWe are watching and Liking 😅

[@monkeeseemonkeedoo3745]

We need the Dark Knight style and vision again, that would be awesome

[@David_Burt_Art]

"Man it sucks how algorithmic thinking and attempting to maximize profit is ruining movies." "Oh btw we don't make videos about movies anymore because they don't get as much engagement."

[@WisecrackEDU]

So we're not a major studio but a small KZbin channel so if we don't have views we can't make money and then the four of us will lose our jobs and the channel won't exist.

[@David_Burt_Art]

​@@WisecrackEDU Of course! I don't blame you for that at all, just thought it was a funny observation similar to how Gunn reset the DCEU the same way the High Evolutionary resets his worlds. Obviously Disney can take more financial risks than you, but the algorithm is inescapable for giant corporations AND smaller creators.

[@Eagle3302PL]

@@David_Burt_Art It's escapable for giant corporations because they have the means to take risks. They also often can systemically influence "what performs well". But due to the nature of stocks and the stock market, any publicly traded company is focused on safety and quarterly goals rather than long term sustainability. They preach about long term planning and diversifying because that's what investors like to hear, but in reality they're slowly, boringly, and safely, accumulating capital. Sometimes they even sabotage innovation, by intentionally making a garbage products or decisions, so people have to settle for the option that the corporation actually wants to sell. Apple is notorious for this. The idea is to pivot the public demand away from some product category, because the other category is more profitable.

[@robinmoloney8113]

I enjoy this kind of movie review reflecting the current reality in making films and the difficulty with rewarding the creative force essential for value in the films - really enjoyed this video

[@aleisterlavey1001]

I didn’t like the stories Hollywood was churning out, so I decided to write my own. Write the story you never saw. Write the story you’ve always wanted to read.

[@JonathanShidler]

Netflix Has a very deep level of them it comes with 10 episode shows and the easiest way to see that is watching "another life" -- that you can see the exact framework by which all other Netflix shows build themselves upon. "Intro, stakes, dream episode, drug episode/trip, double cross, surprise, bad conclusion that is open to next season"

[@taylorgayhart9497]

I actually wasn’t a fan of Guardians 3, because it didn’t feel like it wrapped things up for everyone, instead it felt like the beginning of something new. I’m happy Starlord will be there with his grandfather as he dies, but then what? Gamora’s arch ended with her as a revenger even though that’s not connected to her precious arch at all? What about her sister who desperately wants a relationship with her? And I’m happy Nebula is going to build a family of her own, but does that mean the Guardians weren’t actually family? And Rocket and Groot can just replace them with new people? So none of them really meant anything to one another? Idk I wasn’t happy with the ending and if they don’t make a show with Nebula or Mantis I will be pissed, because I want to know what happens to them.

[@Toidal]

As a trilogy it didn't quite work because GotG2 was very Quill focused and not much occurred otherwise for the Guardians as a whole in the MCU between the two movies. Felt like their should've been another movie beforehand. Gunn did his best though to bridge it

[@Vicky-ke4es]

So true, they just finished it off showing how the team spilt up and how they had to go their separate ways, it didn't matter which way they're going and to what end, we gotta just accept "this is the way".

[@nalday2534]

Did you like endgame?

[@taylorgayhart9497]

@@Toidalyes exactly!!!! Like Gamora’s plot felt like an afterthought, and they didn’t explain at all how she got there. I wanted more for her and Nebula.

[@taylorgayhart9497]

⁠@@Vicky-ke4esyes it feel forced! Narratively it just didn’t feel like an ending to see all of the characters starting new adventures, and if this is truly the end for them, I will be pissed.

[@Gutock]

Yes, more movie+social discourse. I love all the material you produce, but this is always top notch, imho.

[@tylerhackner9731]

Yes

[@Variant2187]

I would love to see you guys go back to talking about the Hidden Meaning of and of The Philosophy of movies. That’s what brought me here all those years ago. I stay because I love intellectual conversations but I often miss the content of old.

[@KMHill]

Algorithms are killing everything.

[@ryangoff4879]

The fast scene cuts, flashes of lights, loud sounds all make it harder for me to enjoy

[@natbarmore]

Im looking forward to: • Cyrano • The Sea Beast • Three Thousand Years of Longing • Strange World • Wakanda Forever • Quantumania • Elemental • Dune, pt 2 • Deadpool 3 I’m *_really_* excited about: • Guardians of the Galaxy vol 3 • Babylon 5: The Road Home • Across the Spiderverse • Everything Everywhere All At Once • hoping the Doctor Who 60th anniversary special gets a theatrical showing But admittedly I’m a little behind on my movies. ;-) On the other hand, all of these were movies I was /also/ excited about when they were still upcoming, and what I’ve heard about them since has either made me more excited, or at least not made me think I should just skip them.

[@alexholslin4651]

I've always loved these types of videos! Big cinephile and philosophy fan, it's what drew me to the channel in the first place years ago!

[@alfredomaclaughlin1185]

For what it's worth, I love the "What went wrong" series, especially the Star Wars episodes. I even show them occasionally in my philosophy of art class.

[@ezequielpetrocelli8032]

Boy, THANK you for making this kind of videos again!

[@jesusromanpadro3853]

When the first Star Wars came out sci-fi movies weren't popular. You could say something similar with Scream (slashers), Blair Witch Project (found footage), and many others. If you only used the data, those movies wouldn't have been done.

[@markevans8206]

Other videos I’ve seen on the topic also blame movies targeting worldwide distribution. This promotes movies with less dialog, and less complex dialogue, so it’s easier to translate without losing context or bumping into issues because of cultural differences. Plus a heavy reliance on CGI that is just added around the actors in post without the actors even knowing what the hell will be going on.

[@thelaughingstormbornagain1297]

It's a shame out of like 2 decades of comic book movies every one of them decided to drastically alter things from the source material. So, no major stories were properly adapted, and yes, that even means Civil War. It like all of the other movies and is only a shadow of what comics do best.

[@nalday2534]

Marvel comics aren't that good either

[@charleselindberg]

I WATCH EVERY VIDEO ABOUT MOVIES I LOVE VIDEOS ABOUT MOVIES but I love all the other content as well. If you ask me, talking heads Wisecrack is way better than Thug Notes and such other formats you guys used to make. That shit was ok, but this is excellent. Keep up! Can't follow the livestreams, but I always watch afterwards.

[@cantadorlegendario1746]

Hey guys, kudos for that video! Žižek does that all the time, and the way you did is just marvelously crafted, in tune with the 21st century's bleak landscape.

[@BillyFillmore]

Love this!! Please keep making them.

[@andersonic]

To be fair, your Hitman’s Wife’s Bodyguard video felt like a hostage tape. But also your non-movie videos this year have been as the youths say FIRE.

[@xBINARYGODx]

Not sure Gunn's decisions are a sign of him changing - if a new page was turned over at DC, I wouldn't expect anyone to keep their job, so the speak.

[@delliott2072]

Keep doing this stuff! I love it! One of the best videos about a movie I've seen in a while

[@akuma862005]

So excited for the next Dune movie! It looks like Denis Villanueve is really trying to capture the magic of Dune and translate it faithfully to the screen.