How Much are Brands Like Milwaukee Losing by Being 18V instead of 24V?

[@TorqueTestChannel]

Currently our recommendation for a compact 20V cordless: amzn.to/3iabVJX We can't in good faith link to either of the impacts tested in this video :P Is Skil's 12V line just better than their 20V line? Recommend more models we shouldn't miss below? Torque of TTC is working in product development for Astro Tools who also make impact wrenches (air). Always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool!

[@luisinhoens90]

I just ordered the 1/2" version of this one to do some DIY car and home related stuff.

[@justchillin7274]

I see some of those 923 go on offerup for around $130. And eBay sometimes has the 911 dewalt for $115 decent price then? I want a good impact wrench for diy, mainly for wheels. I already have dewalt 20 v batteries and m12 Milwaukee.

[@Doug-jr9po]

An interesting comparison would be Canadian brands vs American. Would love to see how well they hold up against brands like Milwaukee or Dewalt. One of Canadas more popular affordable brand is Mastercraft.

[@jsavage428]

Just FYI the Skil 1/4" receiver impact makes more power than the 1/2"

[@trumax10]

Hey dude, I just put a meter on my m18 reading 19.9v. After changing a tire couple days ago and sitting on the tool. Checked my 20v harborfrieght and same thing. Shouldn't m18 be 18v?

[@IMPACT-NATION]

I’ll take your UG-A-DUG Factory anyday fellas. You guys are absolutely killing it. This channel is the standard in the industry for power and torque for power tools. Very proud to be a subscriber

[@cncgeneral]

Could you get a multimeter on these batteries? The cells they use should all make the same voltage, so the difference between 18v and 20v should just be marketing numbers. 24v would suggest another cell, but would be 21.6v if Milwaukee made a pack with an extra cell. I would also love to see live voltage over a run. If you rigged up a voltmeter to a decent 18v pack then used adapters to test different tools you'd get an indication of which has the most powerful motor by the voltage drop.

[@TURBOWANDS]

@@ErtsenPlayGames Way to restate exactly what the original comment said

[@SparxI0]

Better yet, they could get an oscilloscope for live, high resolution data 🤤

[@fredlowe6260]

You should do a comparison of standard vs high flow air fittings, like the milton high flow and flexzilla. Seems like more people could benefit from a sub-$50 upgrade that affects all their tools, instead of buying new tools. Cheaper to test too.

[@TorqueTestChannel]

Will do!

[@_.vngel._]

@@TorqueTestChannel Have you guys seen that Lowe’s is now selling the Kobalt Ultimate Output 8.0ah battery? Would be interesting to see how the XTR high torque w/ 8.0 would do against the m18 with 6HO or 8HO. Love the channel and the Sunday morning uploads. Here’s to a million+ subs 🍻

[@bleach_drink_me]

Having switched all my air tools over to high flow fittings I can tell you from real world use, it does give them a little more speed/power. I too would like to see how much of a difference they really do make. One of the shops I worked at I even switched the hose coupling over to a high flow to get the extra beans out of the tools. If you get the brass ones they hold up to heavy use and also fit flexzilla. (Can be found as a kit for $20-30 on amazon) ASIN: B07XRBRF1J

[@jmac2o229]

@@_.vngel._ where are you seeing this? i have all kobalt tools and desperately need a larger battery

[@dellkickass]

@@TorqueTestChannel Hello sir I like a lot of your videos, and for the greenwork that's we have lots from them. The test on Greenwork impact wrench with 2.00Ah battery can we test it with 4Ah battery to see fair comparison? Please if you can Thank you

[@user-cs1ne8gx9u]

Watts is power, and watts are simply volts x amps. There's no reason an 18 volt platform cannot have more watts/power than a higher voltage platform, it'll just require more amps to do so. Today's batteries have such a good c rating that amps are easier than ever to come by. Great work guys thanks.

[@philipjohn4149]

18v is limited to the heat of tool and battery ... we see much more durable 60v tool and battery with higher output and a cooler set up that can run without tripping out. You have to consider that some tool lines are targeting all trades. Metal work and ope all on same line. Sure you can just have more red 18v batteries for HO work... but it's a lot of back and forth to the charger when bats trip out at 50 percent power remaining. It's exactly why we have all brands making higher voltage tools. In more than one way.

[@fredygump5578]

I feel like you guys are always forgetting that Milwaukee used to make a line of 28v tools. They still sell the batteries! It would have been easy for them to continue the 2 separate product lines, but they chose not to. So when companies are coming out with new high voltage tools, they're actually going backwards in development, atleast according to Milwaukee. (I'd like to see you do a 28v brushed vs 18v brushless comparison sometime!)

[@ShopJock]

It appears to me Milwaukee is just upping amperage. Dewalt had the flex volt which was using the 20v battery bank configuration to up the voltge if i remember correctly from ave's comments

[@bradley3549]

I'm honestly surprised that the 18v tools have had as long legs as they have. At the current these batteries are capable of outputting you need some serious wiring to contain everything. Had they started out with 6s(22.2V) or 7s(25.9V) it probably would have opened up some possibilities for the platforms. But - forget about compact batteries using 18650 cells. So this was probably the best compromise. I certainly can't complain about the power my M18 gear puts out! I suppose that's where the Flex Volt comes in as Randy points out.

[@ShopJock]

@Bradley in my day today about the only tool i use that is 18v is a sawzall. The m12 impacts are that good, and i don't do a lot of heavy metal drilling.

[@bumpedhishead636]

I think you can only claim two differently branded products are the same if you disassemble both and see the same part numbers on the motors and the controller boards also look identical. The cost of tooling for plastics is not cheap and it would not surprise me if a manufacturer put cheaper motors and electronics into plastics using the same dies.

[@jonathansherwood5841]

Skil, you were doing so well on the 12V line! What happened (to your 20V line)? Who hurt you? And, no, beating out the Bosch Freaks 1/2" drives isn't an accomplishment. I love how you don't recommend every tool you test. It shows that there is no bias when it comes to those ugga duggas.

[@AlexConnor_]

I love Kobalt/Skil/Erbauer but this is just their impact driver with a 1/2in anvil. Don't really rate it, the impact driver version seems to make more power. The impact driver rocks btw, keeps up with an Milwaukee M12 stubby impact wrench no problem, basically the same size/weight except about an inch longer. Not bad for half the price.

[@teardowndan5364]

The challenges with running things off of higher voltages are how to cost-effectively, reliably and efficiently build the driver electronics. Everything gets trickier as voltages go up.

[@ionstorm66]

MOSFET technology is advanced enough that these voltages are nothing to them

[@racekar80]

The kobalt tools are beasts, I have almost the whole line and they are a great value, and the batteries are economical.

[@axmajpayne]

You should open up the Skil and Kobalt ones to compare internal build quality. They may re-use molds for the exterior but that doesn't mean they are the same on the inside.

[@fataxe1]

Yeah but those Kobalt batteries are pretty much free and they've got awesome tool deals... If you thought of a good weighting system for battery cost relative to performance that would really show the strengths of the Kobalt tools. They aren't the most diverse, but being able to pick up a 2ah battery for 20-30 bucks is an absolute steal compared to Milwaukee and Makita.

[@_.vngel._]

Especially considering their 4.0ah retails for $69 and newly available 8.0ah for $139. Both use 21700 cells.

[@gf2e]

Thanks for mentioning that - I haven’t been looking at Kobalt batteries since none of their tools excited me that much.

[@06goatm6]

Warranty seals the deal for me, 5 year tool 3 year battery. I bought a 20v combo kit 6 years ago from them, every 2 or 3 years a battery or tool dies, i go to lowes, they return the whole kit and give me a new one. i did it once and they upgraded me to 24v combo kit, and once again for another fresh kit. The first time the light died, too much back and forth and a wire was broken inside. the 2nd kit a battery died. I have only had 1 other battery failure so far. I have probably 6 batteries. and 50-60 bucks for a 4.0Ah is affordable compared to Milwaukee and Dewalt

[@DerokLee]

The 8.0 ah went on sale for $100 during Black Friday and I regret not getting it

[@BeanoNoir]

There was another guy on KZbin that took both the Kobalt and Skil apart. They aren't the same internally. They have different motors, control circuits and hammers. The Skil actually has significantly heavier wiring than the Kobalt. To be realistic, comparing standard current 18650 cells to high current 21700 cells could be responsible for more of the difference than voltage. The fact that the Skil gave out so quick could also mean that the tool was defective from the get go. It could be a nice opportunity to check out Skil's warranty process for a future video.

[@TorqueTestChannel]

Lower voltage same wattage requires larger wiring so makes sense. Seems strange that they would use different hammers though. As for 1 stack 21700 vs 2 stack 18650 I would have assumed the same, and it may be at the end of the day. But we have 4 brands worth of 3-4ah 21700 vs 5-6Ah 18650 and they almost always match. Other channels measuring drilling time ect usually see the same as well.

[@BeanoNoir]

@@TorqueTestChannel I re located the video because I didn't want to just operate off of memory. It turns out they were the impact drivers, not wrenches. They do look completely identical to the wrenches though, but it could be a similar case as the Milwaukee wrench vs driver power situation. Here's the video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKmloYmsjdVggM0

[@swensdawg]

This channel made it easy for me to feel comfortable buying a BUNCH of Kobalt stuff; the warranty is good, the price is not bad, and the performance per dollar is really great. Milwaukee is the un-disputed king of most power tool segments, but the price point is a bit too high for my wife to not give me a death stare.

[@nikking5277]

I think for the purposes of impacts, the high output battery on the m18 makes up for the well 18v (or 20v max). Adding bigger hammers would be giving it more torque. The only thing that the batteries do is power the motor and the motors job is to overcome the spring and spin those hammers. I think that a m18 high output battery is more than capable of powering a faster and stronger motor that would over come a larger spring and spin larger hammers faster, thus making more torque. But, as the makita has proven, it is easier to do it with more voltage and kind of gives it a new ceiling, so we will see.

[@JackdeDuCoeur]

Good vid. You've managed to hook me onto your appliance evaluation series with wit, good writing and production, and good quality comparisons. Nice work

[@kcl5038]

I've heard really good things about skil's 12v line. Really seems like that's where they're putting their development money because they know they can't compete with the higher voltage architecture. I've been thinking about getting into their 12v line because they're very affordable and I could use some smaller profile tools. I've also had good luck with kobalt and the skilsaw brand. I'm still hesitant to buy in just because the budget "skil" brand hasn't really impressed me from everything I've seen on them. They're starting to do some innovative things such as the "Auto hammer" that other lines don't really have and I really like how small their jig saw and trim saw is. It's so frustrating when you have to make a cut because you screwed up planning and your saws just don't fit so you have to take the whole thing apart. I'd love to see some of their 12v tools tested just to see if they can hang with the other 12v brands before I invest in them. The smaller size of 12v tools definitely has a place even if 18-24v tools have more raw power. I know you guys are mainly auto guys but if your channel could figure out a way to measure max cutting power it'd be my all time favorite channel! It's frustrating when you get a brand new saw and it has less beans than the one you had before it ("upgrading" my kobalt xtr circular to a ridgid octane lol). Thanks so much for the videos. You're one of my favorite channels.

[@sergioomar9090]

It was worth the $100 dollars for the skil power core 12 deal. Drill and impact drivers, flash light, Bluetooth speaker and oscillating tool plus 2X2.0Ah batteries. Came with a standard charger though and not the jump charger. That oscillating tool is probably my favorite out of the pack though.

[@UPdan]

@@sergioomar9090 Lovin the Bluetooth. Get their smaller worklight with the magnets in back, fantastic.

[@mission772]

The only difference voltage makes is you can have smaller components make the same amount of power. So smaller wires, switches and windings. Ohms law applies. Amps = Voltage over Resistance. So to pull more amps(more beans) you either need to increase wire size or increase voltage. So you can make a 18v that is as good as a 24v but it will be slightly heavier and probably cost slightly more(excluding economy of scale).

[@stevenlatham4397]

I think Milwaukee is scared to change due to the fact that by now everyone has their battery line up established. That’s a huge factor. Now if they made a flex volt system that allowed people to slowly upgrade their batteries, that would be golden.

[@brynyard]

The difference between 5S and 6S is that increasing the voltage lets you output more power without drawing more A (and here the limitation is usually how many A you can draw from the batteries, or C rating), so it should be no surprise that a 6S using the same sells as the 5S would win.

[@sagersaleh4180]

Wow, thanks for this video, I have been dying for it, it seems that the skil impact driver 20v is the same as the impact wrench but makes a lot more beens, Shop Tools Reviews broke free 450 Ftb with it with the 5.0, I can’t wait for that test !. Agin thanks for answering your viewers requests. You are a legend 🙏🏻🙏🏻😍😍

[@michaelsoutherland3023]

18V tools might be "24V MAX" as well, lithium-ion cells are 3.7 volts but could be called 4.2V MAX. 12V vs 24V, higher voltage can output the same power (watts) at a lower current (amps0). 12V @ 10A = 120W, and 120V @ 1A = 120W (proof of concept).

[@jamesfair9751]

20 volt is max not nominal which would be 18 all 18 and 20 volt are 18 volt and the 24 volts are max and actually are more like 21.7 volts. The 24 volt tools have an extra cell in each set of series in the packs. I would be willing to bet if Milwaukee made a 21.7 battery it would run their 18 volt tools without problem and give them a good boost.

[@8power0]

I LOVE THE OVERTIME TESTING, IT REALLY SHOWS WHAT WILL BE LEFT OF THE TOOL AFTER A FEW HARD WEEKS OF TESTING BEFORE WE SPEND ARE MEGA DOLLARS ,,,, THANKS TTC YOU KNOW, YOU ARE THE GREATEST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@theboots39]

The nominal voltage doesn't matter if the cells are garbage. The higher the current draw, the more the voltage will sag. Your 24V pack might even end up at a lower voltage in practice while they're discharging if the cells are weak enough. Besides, voltage doesn't matter too much by itself to begin with. The only real disadvantage is that you need to be able to handle higher current (Amps) to get the same power (watts). As long as you use beefier parts designed for the higher current, while it'll be more expensive, performance wouldn't change much. Based on the fact that Milwaukee always seems to land towards the top of these charts without exploding into flames, they seem to know what they're doing.

[@josephklimchock5412]

As an aging 62 yr old pro mechanic that works 98% out of a work van, I am in the process of upgrading and adding new battery power tools. For me, I look at warranty and also the availability to get that tool fixed fast and also has to be one of the top 3 in overall quality and meet my needs. Also price. This channel is very helpful. I would think that most pro mechanics also look for having mostly same tool brand so they all can use the same batteries. I'm in between Milwaukee, DeWalt, and Ridged. I like that DeWalt now making alot here in the USA. I also like the Milwaukee 1/2 hi torque impact for tough jobs when on the road and not able to use my 45 year old IR 1/2 air gun. We have so, so many choices these days and it can be very confusing. Alot of these newer so called "brands" will work great for homeowners and light duty contractors.

[@mattiasakerblom3426]

i can honestly recommend Milwaukee M18 platform. Huge series with lots of tools. And good quality.

[@josephklimchock5412]

@@mattiasakerblom3426 Thanks, I'm leaning that way.

[@MrAPCProductions]

TTC stack idea. Would require someone to tear apart a M12 battery set and place the cells back in a 24v orientation, but the idea of the M12 stubby impact with the 24v frankenbatt against standard m18 stubby impacts.

[@suicidalkids9916]

Greenworks makes some of the best electric tools for yard work on the market right now. Never seen any of their shop power tools tested so this should be interesting.

[@Slane583]

Funny enough I never knew Greenworks started making shop tools like this. Though I don't need it, I have impacts from other brands. My Atlas tools I got from HF are made by Greenworks. I've been slowly adding on tools when I have the extra to spend, so this summer it'll be a push mower to go with the chainsaw and weed whacker we have. :)

[@russellgarcie6857]

The Kobalt your using is not a XTR so the ultimate output battery is not helping, the programming is different. You guys do a great job, keep doing what your doing!

[@allanb3222]

They don't make an xtr version of that impact yet, just the larger 1/2" model.

[@speedyink]

Funny to see the 16% number, considering 18V vs (Nominal Voltage) 21.6V is pretty darn close to 16% more voltage.

[@zeerah1]

Weird thing , I have a feeling I was subscribed for the longest time but just noticed I was not subscribed at all. Any one else see they are not subscribed to Torque Test channel but still getting videos?

[@philipjohn4149]

When we are using the tool line In all trades.. we expect to work consistently and even sometimes constantly. With Milwaukee m18v HO tools we have to much heat generating. And battery trip out pretty often. Having more bats helps but that means more work and monitoring for the worker... just pressing reset at the fuel gauge is a risk. Dewalt 60v seems to run with no issues and at higher capacities.

[@Highstranger951]

Yep, as stated in a previous skil vidjayo, they don’t hold up. One day maybe we can all just agree that Milwaukee is hard to beat(not perfect) but hard to beat. The others out there that come close aren’t really much cheaper so why settle for something lesser while still spending nearly the same🤷🏻‍♂️

[@J.Wick.]

@torquetestchannel I swapped the anvil on my Kobalt XTR 1/4" Impact Driver with the 1/2" from this Kobalt Compact Impact Wrench. I'd love to see the now NEW XTR 1/2" Wrench on the dyno...Could I send it to you for testing? Thanks.

[@TorqueTestChannel]

Sure! email us [e-mail]

[@_.vngel._]

Would love to see this as I’ve been thinking about doing the same after seeing the MCT Frankenstein m18. Was the anvil direct drop in or did you also have to modify the driver housing?

[@cynic777]

Can’t wait to see this!

[@J.Wick.]

@@TorqueTestChannel awesome! email sent.

[@J.Wick.]

@@_.vngel._ direct drop in between the 1/2" compact, and the 1/4" hex XTR. Takes more time to pull the screws from the case than it does for the swap.

[@Mittencarpentry]

I was ready to change tool colors, but then Metabo HPT brought out multi volt. 36V for the new tools but backwards comparable to all old 18V. Great system, seems like Milwaukee could easily do something similar. Given how well their tools work at 18V a switch like that might just convince me to go red.

[@Tool_Addicted_Carpenter]

I agree. I see no reason they haven't done something similar to multivolt and flexvolt. With that said, they're still putting competitive and sometimes superior specs and run times out with just 18v.

[@Mittencarpentry]

@@Tool_Addicted_Carpenter Right, seems like a comparatively small investment for the benefit. My older 18V Hitachi tools benefit from the 36V batteries. New battery platform could do the same for Milwaukee. Could cement them as the most powerful cordless tool manufacturer.

[@reaperreaper5098]

@@Tool_Addicted_Carpenter I mean, patents is a pretty damn good reason. Another reason is that the circuitry in the battery becomes more complex, which means either more expensive for the end user or lower profit per battery. Plus, Milwaukee is starting to follow Makita's footsteps and putting out a few 18x2 tools. It'd look pretty bad for the company that has maintained a hard stance on staying with 18V to suddenly be copying all of their main competitors' homework on higher voltage tools that maintain backwards compatibility.

[@EF-69]

Because voltage alone doesn't matter. It's about Watts & efficiency, both electrical & mechanical. 18 volts at 6 Amps is the same power as 36 volts at 3 Amps. It's easier with these voltages to use higher. Higher current requires bigger, more expensive wire, in motor windings & connections & heftier control circuitry. 20V tools are just 18V tools with a caviat. DeWalt says right on the box it's actually 18.

[@GuyFromJupiter]

You guys should try making an adapter to let you use a 24V max battery on a Milwaukee impact wrench.

[@JonBoehm]

Ya, many adapters are available on thingyverse for 3d printing.

[@FyrFytr998]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought I read somewhere that only the XTR line of Kobalt makes full use of the “Ultimate Output” batteries, similar to the way Ryobi One+HP has those extra pads to make full use of the High Performance batteries?

[@Studio23Media]

You need to test the big boy 1/2 inch Kobalt 24v impact. It has way more beans than the one you tested. All my power tools are Kobalt 24v and they are serious business. Interestingly enough, the manufacturer of Greenworks also makes Kobalt's 80v line of equipment!

[@TorqueTestChannel]

We have!

[@Studio23Media]

@@TorqueTestChannel Ah shoot! I must have missed it. I'll go watch it now

[@xaytana]

I'd be curious about motor specs between the Skil and Kobalt, if they're more or less the same, or if the motors are actually optimized for the platform they're using. I'd also be curious, if they are optimized for the platform, how they'd perform at the same amp draw. I know this is far, far beyond the scope of your channel, same with the vast majority of tool channels, but it'd be an interesting comparison, seeing who makes the most optimized tool per platform the tool is operating on; this could also weed out bad designs, corner cutting, and various other bottlenecks between the battery and motor, this would also be a more apples to apples comparison as you're also not including any variety of differences introduced after the motor, such as hammer and anvil design, spring tension, etc. I kinda wish there was a channel that actually got into the fine details of the engineering side, sacrificing tools for raw performance numbers, finding where bottlenecks and bad design are, etc. This could really show who's making the properly designed tools and who's cutting corners to the point of screwing you over, and a showcase of what 'off the shelf' parts will do in a variety of tools. A deeper dive than just beans at a trigger pull.

[@jeffarnold1983]

I wish all companies either stated nominal voltage or max voltage. A lot of people thinks 20v max has 2 more volts than 18v.

[@orijimi]

Move to the UK and you can live that reality.

[@kylekersh]

dewalt only calls them 20v max in na, rest of the world theyre called 18v xr.

[@jeffarnold1983]

It's not just dewalt. All of the 24v tools are 21.6. M12 is 10.8v. At least dewalt is honest enough to call theirs 12v max.

[@orijimi]

@@jeffarnold1983 Further, all 12v is 10.8v.

[@tommays56]

It really only matters how many WATTS the battery can deliver as the wires our so SHORT this is not and issue it would be on a machine that requires long wire runs

[@scottbionicnerf8727]

The older SKIL tool kits are paired with 3 options for batteries, depending on where you source them, 2Ah, 4Ah, and the new 5Ah. Offering all their tools now as complete kits, taking a page outta FLEX/KOBALT play book, and why shouldn't they, SKIL's offering real competition in every segment they offer tools in.

[@karldelooff764]

I suggest creating a break away torque test by building a test stand that allows a hydraulic torque wrench with a reactor arm to set a bolt/nut combination to the 1,400 lbs. various manufacturers claim. The hydraulic wrench/pump allows for accurate high torque values to be set - challenging the tool to break free the fastener. Your test currently builds torque over time rather than releasing. While time to release would be part of the metric, success or failure at a certain value is the key metric. While this proposed test does not typify a corroded fastener, it will provide some repeatable information on how well the tool performs in releasing a certain torque value. A modular jig would allow easily replaceable hardware at low cost and test-to-test consistency.

[@TorqueTestChannel]

Shop Tool Reviews does this well, check him out. Each brand does breakaway and nut busting different. The bolt size/thread pitch/hardness dry vs lubed condition and head flange size can make a 40% +/- difference in this test. And brand like DeWalt just use a strain gauge on a torsion rod to get the number. There's no consistency in it unlike working/tightening torque which has standards

[@karldelooff764]

@@TorqueTestChannel I had not seen that channel - good information. Close, but not capable of being graphed since it does not include your hydraulics. I am suggesting you create a de facto standard that has good precision and repeatability. You are certainly capable and you have the reputation to make it stick.

[@I1S1337]

Plot twist, you thought it was going to be the green works that stopped working! It’s okay I did too >_>

[@Teevibes510]

Hi TTC and TTC Community. Where can I send product test requests? In short what I’d like to see is - M12 cp 2.0 vs. cp 3.0 And Astro flex head 1833 and/or 1834 I apologize that my comment is off-topic with the current video. ✌️😏

[@Spazin0ut]

I’ve got a test for ya. How much power do you lose from using a 3/8 or 1/2 air line with reducing to a smaller air fitting. Got a guy at work that don’t like the big fittings used on the big impacts and he uses a reducer to make it the small 1/4 fittings. I told him that he might be losing power but told me I was full of it. Can u do a video so I can show him he might be losing beans?

[@HPISRP]

nominal voltage 1s: 3,7v 2s: 7,4 3s: 11,1 4s: 14,8 5s 18,5 6s: 22,2 i hate this shitty marketing bs

[@rpavlik1]

Oh man, what a bummer about the Skil. They do have a good warranty though... Still curious about the 12V line, which I think might be somewhat newer?

[@ManCaverTools]

Antother Fantastic Comparison you guys

[@Liteg0]

Voltage does not mean power. Higher voltage allows you to get the same power for less current, it just means you can use smaller copper wires, but need more insulation. Power output is the same, battery capacity is the same, you just replace current with voltage and copper with plastic.

[@SuperJamster1]

Obviously if you have Skil like I do, you wanted a different outcome. However, I appreciate it, and now you will get a chance to test their 5 year warranty. I've had good luck with my Skil tool line, but I do admit they are under powered. But overall the price and batteries is worth the investment.

[@jtoker9758]

Power isn't the only thing to consider as you noted in the video. Longivity must be considered and I can speak from experience that Milwaukee tools hold up very well to daily use in the field. I pretty sure these cheaper knock offs won't last as long as the big proven brands when used daily.

[@Doktoreq]

Usually higher voltage means cheaper tool for the same kind of power - higher voltage means less current which leads to thinner wiring and less beefy electronic components. Also going "one size up" (adding one set of cells in series) with voltage without changing the construction (motor and electronics) of the tool is simplest way to get more power with minimal cost at expense of durability. Cheap tools are already not expected to last long so this trick isn't a red flag for uninformed consumer and after he buys batteries he's basically hooked to the ecosystem.

[@orijimi]

You're talking out of your ass here.

[@robertcasey3528]

No football. No problem. We got torque test channel 😜👍

[@Fly2kill1]

I got the Kobalt since that’s my only platform. It’s perfect for me and $99.

[@bleach_drink_me]

I have had the kobalt for years now. It's useful for a lot but would like to see a XTR version of it. Come on kobalt make a good compact/mid torque. BTW the kobalt lawn and garden equipment is good for a home owner. Been using the 24v mover(dual 24v) 40v trimmer and blower and 24v pole saw. Have no complaints at all with any of it for performing normal "home owner" task.

[@kyle.2344]

i'd really like to see some cornwell impacts tested

[@baseballdude8491]

36V is the way to go Metabo HPT and Makita although Metabo HPT's 36V batteries are backwards compatible with the 18V and can be used with the AC adapter and lifetime warranty

[@Tj1983coggin]

So… I see a 24v adapter being made soon to test that theory of M24 making 900+

[@TorqueTestChannel]

We're not opposed to it!

[@CameronDC-Grimes]

Volts = Power in Impact Wrench world. Can't say how much 18V loses compares to 20V or 24V but Voltage is power. I'm sure they can alter design to make up for small power losses from battery voltages ⚡️

[@garyradtke3252]

Maybe you have said in the past but how do the manufacturers get their torque numbers? Seems to me they are just projected from engineering numbers and not physically tested in any way.

[@TorqueTestChannel]

Each brand uses a different method. Tighting/working torque is usually an indurstry standard Skidmore test, but outside of that it's all over the place

[@garyradtke3252]

@@TorqueTestChannel Well, maybe you can get SAE to adopt your method so we can have something a little more scientific than claims just pulled out of the air. Actually any method that they all used to compare would be OK as long as they all used the same rules so we can see one against the other. This is why I like what you are doing. the numbers may be or may not be exact but the consistency gives us a very good comparison between the tools and kills the marketing BS.

[@2slo4you]

I'm sure this has been answered before but I'll be that guy. Why no Porter Cable tests?

[@ramranch6696]

You should send the skill to ave and see if the healing bench can fix it

[@fryreartechnology7611]

We have the M28 Milwaukee's at work and I'm not a huge fan of them I'd rather my M18's. The M28 is just bigger and heavier to me. Odd idea... I have 3D printer battery adaptors for few tools to use my M18 battery on ryobi ingersoll rand and dewalt (before they came out pre-made off Amazon...lol) maybe 3D print some 24V adaptors and see how they work. Maybe the electronics can handle the extra voltage. It's like 22.2V running and peak 25.2 or 24.6 not that much over the 18.5V a running M18 had or 20V peak charge.

[@JamesMKE]

Honestly power tools have come so far I look mostly at R&D and brand strength. TTI is always improving their brands and having sales. Hell every other month Ryobi has 5 new tools. SKIL and Kolbalt have been around for a very long time and have a really small platform still. I could never invest into anything Chervon for that reason. or any small amazon brand or even Greenworks. I know Ryobi will be around in 10 years. cant same the same for Kobalt or Greenworks (non OPE tools). Chervon is really struggling sale number wise.

[@steffendetrick9403]

That’s a very good point that I’ve never heard brought up. I honestly I have my own gripe with them and that is the marketing that flex uses really bothers me.

[@Ramn8tr]

I appreciate my Snap-On and Milwaukee M18 tools equally.

[@brian6669666]

I'd love to see a 24v rigged into a m18 (3d printed adapter I'm guessing) to see how accurate that chart is

[@jacksmith2315]

I dont think just an adapter would work. The electronics in the tool are meant to run with 18v batteries so it either could fry the tool putting too much current or amps, not work at all, or make no difference. Probably why dont see 18v adapters for 12v tools

[@KTMcaptain]

Based on the motor type you’d over drive the tool substantially. Unless you change the gear reduction to keep the same impact speed it would cause even more current draw. Or could use a higher resistance motor to reduce the unloaded rpm.

[@ManCaverTools]

Let’s see how this one turns out

[@oculophilia8724]

Alliteration on point in this one my guy

[@G0ld3ncr0ss]

I go back and forth with myself if voltage actually matters when it comes to impact wrenches. You can have a dewalt or Milwaukee 12V make more power than a kobalt 24v impact wrench. Granted when you step up in wrench size the more volt does help when it’s nice and tight

[@edpoints1127]

Comparing impact drivers and impact guns is great. With Milwaukee's quality and warranty, it's a good choice. Now... Comparing their line overall, they are the obvious choice! All the other manufacturers have been (and still are) trying to keep up or surpass Milwaukee with all the these other introductions. I've been using my Milwaukee tools in the field during all these competitive attempts to top Milwaukee. NO PROBLEMS. Some batteries are part warranty and still going strong. Glad I made the choice 6 years ago

[@Joethetoolguy]

Only real way to know is hook up the batteries with jumper cables!

[@kswis]

The 6v battery in my 2 yr Olds 4 wheeler died so I saw fit to add a 14v custom battery pack n it boogies now! Higher voltage is fun till something blows up, but then you know the limit

[@jaydenblain3599]

the bottom line is the electric motors. DC electric motors are rated by kV. That is 1000 revolutions per volts. So theoretically more volts spin faster. but more often than not, speed isnt the only important metric. and in fact another rating of motors is 'turns' which effects torque. and lastly is gearing as most of these tools are not 1:1. This means that you can use gearing, turns, kv, brushed vs brushless, etc to make more power than the competitors regardless of voltage. At the end of the day voltage means absolutely nothing. unless you ttake the exact same tool and the tool to accept a higher boltage battery. in which case it would spin faster, use more power, and you might not even gain much in usability. If anyone has a lot of experience with RC cars/planes/boats/etc you know how electric motors can take almost any voltage easily. Anothger thing is the battery packs, higher voltages sacrifice higher capacity. any battery of the same physical size will be similar in W/h but if you try to turn up the volts, you lose in amps

[@redneckcomputergeek]

I recently got sponsored by Greenworks for some videos. Saw this and forwarded them the video. Hope they reach out to you also :)

[@TorqueTestChannel]

They have before. We just say no thanks to all offers tho :p

[@ashliehiggins]

Thanks for this video, that Skil is identical to Screwfix's Erbauer EXT impact which are sold in the UK, that's great as I've been trying to find the OEM for those tools.

[@axeami1354]

The skill looks a lot like like a department store brand we get here in the uk called erbaure, similar power specs too. ive been using the full set for the last 3 years and it's done me well so far.

[@thingsido4278]

Should try a test using one of those battery adapters. Run a m18 gun with a Dewalt 20v. Then you can some what compare your theoretical torque curve to see if you are right.

[@TheSir2005]

Dewalt 20v = 18v

[@zackhaas3267]

20v is marketing BS. It's an 18v tool, when fully charged ALL 18v lithium battery packs have a 20v MAX charge. It's a way for them to fool consumers.

[@saturnmedia1]

@@TheSir2005 @Zach Hass Yes, but DeWalt and other brands manage their power differently, some manage it in the tool, some manage it in the battery. It can make some really weird results!

[@austinhunt8050]

@@zackhaas3267 but dewalt battery will do better on a Milwaukee tool than a Milwaukee battery

[@zackhaas3267]

I didn't say anything about all that, although I'm not sure there would be a big enough difference. What I am saying is that the DeWalt is a 5cell lithium pack, same as ALL the other 18v tools, the there is no advantage voltage wise with the DeWalt.

[@Duey_diditGarage]

Try the Kobalt XTR hybrid folks in my group are making the swap go out and get the XTR impact driver and swap the heads out and there you have an XTR impact

[@JimmyMakingitwork]

I bet the WAKYME 1/2" they sent me would beat the Skil, lol. Thanks for the video!

[@crispychrispgaming9261]

I believe the Menards power tools are also made by chervon. It'll be great seeing how masterforce power tools compare to the other chervon brands

[@jhippl]

ive learned the skil 12v is a lot better than the skil 20v. you may as well call the skil 12v flex 12v and the 20v skill is closer to brushless craftsman.

[@orijimi]

Yeah, the SKIL 20v platform seems like a huge mistake. It's just nerfed Kobalt.

[@luisinhoens90]

But the Skil name is still an important asset in the tool industry and unlike Kobalt they sell in other channels like Amazon.

[@orijimi]

@@luisinhoens90 Yeah, but there really just should've been some way to retain the 21.6v approach.

[@jacobschlais7818]

You should try a JET brand air impact wrench. They look interesting.

[@montgomeryfitzpatrick473]

Milwaukee had a line of 24 volt cordless in mid aughts and they were to heavy for guys to want to hold a sawzall or drill over head all day

[@johngregory662]

Wonder what died on the skil….my guess is the switch gave up the ghost…that’s the usual failure point. Live confidently and peacefully

[@loganthepartschanger]

You guys should do the tightening torque of electric ratchets, i have 4 snapon rachets you guys can use, and a milwaukee "high speed" rachet. Lmk. Ill send them out.

[@gjolinares23]

Milwaukee’s next Gen impact wrench (whenever that is) with a new Gen battery (like powerstack 5.0) would probably be close to those “M24” numbers.

[@jaydenblain3599]

can you guys please make a site where we can view your rank charts?

[@G0ld3ncr0ss]

@TTC Dewalt just released a new XR impact wrench, also they updated the impact wrench stats of the one you texted already. Instead of just saying 330lb it now says 330lb tightening and 600lb loosing…. Now I love dewalt and I have the mid range but no way it’s 600lb

[@TheBostonstapler]

i wonder if you can frankenstein a 24v battery to a m18 tool. you might smoke the electronic though :)

[@jconnar]

hey dude, it's not up to the choice of tools anymore, there is such a crisis on the nose that there would be something to twist the nuts.

[@raybod1775]

My 18v Ryobi tools work real well through an adapter attached to 20v DeWalt batteries.

[@Alan_Hans__]

Just wondering if you've ever tried changing the grip from high up on the trigger to as low as you can get and potentially hanging onto the base of the battery to see if that makes any difference to the curves at all.

[@marshy7812]

Any plans of doing air 3/4 and 1 inch guns in the near future?

[@Jay_Ira]

In a previous video they mentioned how difficult it is to maintain 90psi dynamic pressure at the gun during testing. So they've opted not to until they can come up with a system that can hold that pressure.

[@pauledge1621]

There are adapters on line put a 24v battery on 12v, 18v 20v tools and see what happens

[@Iowa599]

Put the 20v battery in the 18v tool!

[@natebecker2573]

You guys should run an M18 impact at 24v somehow and see what happens

[@samuelwilliamsii828]

I put a Dewalt 20v on my m18. It seems like it has more beans now.

[@francoisdesmarquis8548]

Too sad you don't have the 5ah with the greenworks, I'm quite surprised so far with mine honestly!