Building My Dream Surron From The FRAME UP!

[@BlairWeeden]

Thanks for the Ulysses!! You guys produce great content!! Keep up the great work and pushing the sport!! I hope you have great success with the new shop!

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks! And congrats on winning the 50!

[@hacker1011000]

@@Talariaboys care to post the full list of every part to build this and instructions on how to assemble thanks

[@applechili2848]

Thanks for sharing. I’ve seen a lot of comments about price & buy a Stark Varg; however, this is a frame up build, for a specific purpose. It’s the world that we live in. Most manufacturers build to keep costs low, but offer a solid product, within a certain price range. Which normally translates into good, but inferior parts. These guys worked hard on this & essentially showcased the pinnacle of what can be done/achieved with a vision, products & skill. That should be applauded, because high demand breeds competition. Competition will lead to more availability & lower costs. The light bee, ultra bee, Stark…, etc., are all fantastic & compete in different categories, but require $$$ to get them where you want them. No house, car, bike will come perfect out of the box, if they do/did, those are a different demographic of people = perfectionist/non-modder, more expensive. I digress, different strokes for different folks, but appreciate others grind/hustle/hard work. Believe me, it’s blessing to have these guys.

[@blops4096]

TY!!

[@Talariaboys]

Thank you!

[@KarmaCorner]

Confused. Why not buy a ultra bee, makes no sense for someone ( other than a content creator wanting to promote & sell parts) to cobble together a build that would cost much more than a stark with 80 hp out the box.

[@ThatSurronGuy]

I get were you’re coming from but people have their own preferences and it’s completely custom sometimes people like doing it that way

[@PeterBaldwinVT]

Sick build, but how many of us can expect such manufacturer support? I agree that at the end of the day, it’s just a pimped-out Surron. For that money, there are so many real emotos out there that are better out of the box.

[@ThatSurronGuy]

@@PeterBaldwinVTdefinitely there is but if you’re not new to e bikes it’s fair game

[@KarmaCorner]

@@ThatSurronGuy Yes, I get it, and am sure if people had unlimited budgets most would custom-build, but this build at best guestimate is north of $12,000 but i think they should be clear what is actually a collaboration part and costs if bought and what the cost of the build would be for Joe public. Love watching the guys videos, but transparency is needed regarding parts, cost and alternatives. Hope they take it as constructive criticism, not hating on what is a great bike build.

[@mconradb]

Some people would rather build it than buy it. I bought a MX4 and the only stock parts left are the frame and the swingarm. Next bike I am building from the ground up.

[@Laquoquious]

Im so glad yall are trying the mavens. I have had them on my xxx for a few weeks now and I love them

[@Talariaboys]

They are gooooood!

[@TechLineHD]

Honestly, this is the only channel I'm so hyped about when they release a new video. Awesome content, guys!

[@Talariaboys]

Wow, thanks!

[@Sammylols]

After years of ebiking, scootering and onewheeling I finally purchased a Sting R today after moving to Nevada to rip some of these trails! Thank you for some inspiration for parts! Will definitely be picking up some parts from you guys shortly. Hope to catch a ride with you guys some day!

[@Talariaboys]

Congrats man! Youll absolutely love it! Appreciate the support brother

[@WatchYaGitten]

Congrats on the new build Lance! Looks great man! Cant wait to see ya rippin' on it!

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks brother! Videos coming soon on it, we already have 140 miles on it 😂

[@WatchYaGitten]

Heck yeah man! That's what it's all about! Enjoy it bro!

[@windowwasherfpv3485]

Bro, these dudes have some deep pockets I’ll definitely check out the website.

[@supertalaria]

I'm pretty sure they are not buying everything out of pocket

[@windowwasherfpv3485]

@@supertalaria oh, they’re definitely getting hooked up on some of the products but even when the channel first started started

[@CharliePotter-in8mv]

I thought the same thing massive house, and every EBike you can think of. Hey, more power to them

[@supertalaria]

@windowwasherfpv3485 Yeah, I mean, they even say that it sponsored by Ebmx and yeah definitely.

[@Talariaboys]

@CharliePotter-in8mv you guys do understand that’s not our house right? And we don’t even film there anymore, we moved locations. We also all have other jobs and business and work very hard for what we have, along with lots of generous brand deals.

[@gritshift]

Now build a drag bike :) to lay all that power down.

[@saulGjr]

So why take apart your mx4? Why not build an ultra bee? I remember you guys saying the surron has a weaker frame and flexes easier than the talaria? Just tying to understand the thought processes to build that frame up.

[@ES-pt9te]

yeah not sure why they would do that. gearbox alone would sell me for the mx4. chain drive is gonna stretch so much. Frame on the mx4 is way stronger as well.

[@Talariaboys]

Surron swing arm is weaker but the main frame is about the same, we have an upgraded swing arm on this so its just as strong, also the reason we are trying a surron is to do a max power build, there aren't any talaria motors that can go over 25kw, our Surron can do 35kw so its something to try. I still love the talaria just as much and in my opinion the only reason to get a surron is if your going 100 in on the build. Trust me when I say this bike is so much faster than anything we had before. To fast

[@saulGjr]

@@Talariaboys Thanks for that. Wasn't trying to be a hater, just curious. Been a subscriber since day one.

[@ianmangham4570]

​@@TalariaboysNo such thing as TOO FAST 😅🤠🤘

[@Bengy22]

All you need now is a Ultra and a Start Varg to complete the collection!

[@re6_vlogz]

There is this bike called dirtmoto and it lookes better than the stark

[@christopherbrown4900]

Yall need to start doing custom build orders for those of us that would want a custom bike out the box

[@Talariaboys]

We do, shoot us an email @ [e-mail]

[@aliomassue2265]

be happy :) keep going on. something good will come along the way.

[@Talaria567]

What thickness rotors are you using with the sram brakes? Would be nice to know if they work well with 2.3mm

[@Talariaboys]

2.3mm are working well

[@NOT_khaiweinerbum]

would this work the same for a talaria frame, and also do you know if they sell a eride pro ss full frame kit?

[@Talariaboys]

I don’t think they sell Eride frames but I’m not sure. You could build a talaria from the frame up with a lot of these parts but some are specific for the Surron frame and don’t work in the talaria.

[@NOT_khaiweinerbum]

@@Talariaboys ohh ok thank you so much and just wondering would it cost lower or relatively the same as a new one?

[@BrennanSilvius-x2n]

dude love the purple on it, it looks sick! lets see some riding videos!

[@Talariaboys]

Coming soon!

[@BrennanSilvius-x2n]

@@Talariaboys w

[@dantaringgold5769]

Hi where could i get a frame from ?

[@Etienne85]

Dope! I was considering the option of using an Ultra Bee frame instead of Light Bee. The only thing that bothers me, is that the bike won't be road registered.

[@phat56pat]

Helll yeah boys I wanna see the weight and to hear your first impressions

[@HamptonFPV]

best build I've seen yet!

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks!

[@Adam.A.Higgins]

Same question to others on here. Why a full ground up build of a Surron over a Telaria with the gearbox?

[@Talariaboys]

In this case, we were going for absolute max performance/power numbers, and with the Surron you are able to get about 35kw where on a Talaria the highest power you can get is about 24kw which is still insanely fast but that's the basic answer.

[@rlbrett]

Lance, it looks great but why no rear fender or mud flap?

[@Talariaboys]

You can’t mount one to the Ebmx swing arm sadly unless you do custom stuff.

[@rlbrett]

@@Talariaboys I can somewhat relate. I bought LunaCycle's Fastace Fork 2.0 with custom tuning for my Talaria MX 4, and have to figure out how to attach the original fender to it. Any ideas?

[@MrReclusee]

When can we see it out doing wheelies and stuff would love to see how it performs!!! 🎉🤩

[@GB-mi5he]

I too want to see this thing wheelie

[@gritsgaming]

I have a question. I'm torn between xXx or the Sting R. I am short... I'm 5'3" inseam is 29. I would be doing more offroad than street riding and would change out the wheels and tires on both bikes. Probably go with the 16/19 for the sting and maybe the same on the xXx. (I like the dirt bike look.) Wouldn't go crazy modding the controller and such right off the bat. Which 1 would you recommend? I do have dirt bike experience and I do have my motorcycle license.

[@mrspacely7320]

This looks like it was fun to make, love you guys,

[@aaronscheuman]

This is fantastic. Great build, great look. I know this sounds undoubtedly terrible, but the only thing that looks a little cheesy is the grey TB decal on the swing arm. It’s just…grey. Haha but seriously, awesome.

[@PROTOTYPEKILLER]

This is my dream Surron build.

[@stephanfewan3810]

amazing bike

[@Talariaboys]

Go check out our New Website for any upgrades you are wanting: tbelectricmoto.com/

[@AndonisG2G]

can you guys do an official range test for the talaria xxx 72v?

[@ianmangham4570]

Insanely AWESOME machine 😮🙏💯

[@Grumm_tnt]

Wouldnt a KO f spec give you a bit more power because of the higher amps?

[@Talariaboys]

Absolutely not. The XLB60 Ebmx motor is so much more cable. The KO is rated to 35kw but no one has really been able to push it higher than 25kw. This motor goes all the way past 35

[@Grumm_tnt]

@@Talariaboys oh sick, glad I haven't gotten it yet, there isint much research on the specific when comparing the top parts together ☹️

[@wonderwook3919]

Aren't domino throttles easy to break due to the sensor in them?

[@Talariaboys]

Ours is the Dual Hall version not the potentiometer which is a whole different sensing system that works amazing.

[@wonderwook3919]

@Talariaboys ok, good to know!

[@Jamminn555]

So cool to hear you guys are offering custom builds! Hope to get one at some point. INCREDIBLE build! Ben

[@salami99]

hey the EXT parts are not linked on your site, also you did not link or mention which spring u used, I know its 500lb but what brand or size or link would be nice.

[@Talariaboys]

tbelectricmoto.com/collections/ext-racing-suspension You just choose the spring rate when you buy it

[@trapp5555]

where can I get that battery lid latch hook lock ? For the ebmx battery the stock one is too short

[@Talariaboys]

Your battery should have come with one…

[@trapp5555]

@@Talariaboys mines broke… trying to find a replacement

[@EDBJumps]

This is awesome! its so cool to see your guys's channel grow so much you guys have a store now! so cool anyways love the surron. Do you guys plan on buying the Talaria Dragon? i have always been looking forward to it coming ourt and i really want one but they are very expensive i would love to see a cool review on it when it comes out! 😎

[@Talariaboys]

Talaria dragon is cool but its definitely a ways out before its for sale.

[@JustAnotherAsianGuy2]

man i want to test ride that bike .... i like it

[@Talariaboys]

It’s awesome!

[@dukedub]

Let’s see the straight away range test on the new light bee.

[@0joshman0]

Awesome job guys! We still waiting on that ebmx motor for our talaria's.. any updates?

[@Talariaboys]

Coming man! About 2 months out, we will have one of the first ones to test and then have them for sale!

[@0joshman0]

​@@Talariaboys this is great news.. I will be purchasing this item for my talaria for sure. I have everything but the motor. I didn't want to purchase twice.. thanks for heads up my man.

[@McNewMotoTech]

Not bad for a couple of backyard mechanics!

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks!

[@Oneking05]

Great build . Do you guys have a video or know how water proof the talaria mx4 is . Can you ride on some trails where you have to ride through some water a couple feet deep ?

[@Talariaboys]

Usually a couple feet deep isn’t a problem. I just wouldn’t let it sit in the water very long.

[@Overmotor]

beautiful bike guys! Great job!

[@abekaschool]

How much did the cost add up to?

[@Talariaboys]

Close to 17k

[@buenasuerte166]

hey bro, great job, bravo 👏👏👏 how much did you pay for all the parts? because I can't find all of them from your link. 💪🤝

[@davius1911]

thanks bro I went and got that warp 9 headlght

[@Talariaboys]

It’s really bright!

[@MoxyDave]

Great build and video guys. I love my MX4s but I'd love to build out a Surron someday. Can you talk about the Warp9 240mm rotors? I've been bugging Charged Cycle Works about the boost adapter for Ferro forks but they don't have any new info. I have Warp9 wheels and Ferro forks, I'd love to try the 240 rotors but I can't get any info about the boost adapter. Any thoughts?

[@Talariaboys]

Shoot me an email [e-mail] and we can explain

[@michaelhernandez1398]

After getting my first emoto/moto ever a couple months ago the XXX that I thought I was going to street ride way more I found out I love off-road riding way more and want a bike more suited for it. I just don’t know what I want now a surron ground up build, an MX4 or a eride pro ss all will be modded.

[@marktsarenko3943]

The new eride is coming out soon, it’s gonna be 16kw just buy that

[@Talariaboys]

Its a hard choice man! We are happy to talk you through the options and help you do a custom build, shoot us an email at [e-mail] and we can schedule a call or something to discuss.

[@jeremymartin3219]

What's the max rotor thickness for the maven brakes?

[@Talariaboys]

I’m not sure the max but I’m running 2.3mm and they are working well but I wouldn’t go any thicker because there isn’t a huge gap and it’s tougher to get them to not rub.

[@Ronster-lo1ix]

thanks for testing the stock jackshaft lol. also where did you get the titanium washer for under the swingarm axle nut?

[@Talariaboys]

We have a titanium jackshaft bolt and nut but the frame shim is just standard

[@Ronster-lo1ix]

@@Talariaboys i have the warp 9 swingarm axle but it didnt come with a washer for directly under the nut so im using the smaller oem one. where did you get the titanium washer?

[@shay_mx34]

What do you guys think of the ebmx 72v 57ah race battery?

[@Talariaboys]

Great battery. Although the don’t do the race version in the 57ah but it is still very capable.

[@shay_mx34]

@@TalariaboysI yea I thought ebmx sold the race version on their website but it’s almost near 3000!

[@backstop562]

Hey guys I’ve seen some people use it but idk if it for sure works does the surron chain drive work on the xxx?

[@Talariaboys]

I don’t think it technically works but could probably be adapted too

[@backstop562]

@@Talariaboys should I get one or just keep buying belts until there’s one for it

[@marktsarenko3943]

@@backstop562don’t buy it won’t fit, unless you can figure it iut

[@Talariaboys]

I believe warp 9 is working on making one that fits.

[@backstop562]

@@Talariaboys sounds good thank you guys for always replying and helping!!

[@hectorflores4204]

Nice job keep it up

[@TheTexasDuke]

Amazing vid build content ❤

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks!

[@dagriddy4303]

what wheels are you using like 21 and 18 or?

[@Talariaboys]

21/18 Warp 9

[@dagriddy4303]

@@Talariaboys thanks looking into getting some for my eride pro ss nice surron build

[@SotosV]

good job. Talaria Boys shall i buy a surron X or a Talaria 3X

[@A7J2]

3x it’s cheaper faster and has more range

[@Talariaboys]

X3

[@SotosV]

@@Talariaboys The Kings replieddd 💪🔱

[@Tazdeviloo7]

What's the final weight?

[@Talariaboys]

167

[@Tazdeviloo7]

@@Talariaboys 46HP at 167lbs is insane! That's 450cc power, but 100lbs lighter! I honestly think displacement categories should be replaced with weight categories at this point.

[@GB-mi5he]

This was a sick video. I'd love to see your reaction on a Stark Vark (Or whatever they are called)

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks!!

[@maverickfarber739]

why didn’t you powder coat the frame before putting it together?

[@Talariaboys]

We decided not to spend the money and just do the graphics kit.

[@ES-pt9te]

you should run the new lewis 6 or 8 piston brakes.

[@aftermarketlife452]

Which Sur-ron frame are you starting with?

[@Talariaboys]

Just a LBX frame

[@kolopier]

How much do it weight?

[@Talariaboys]

167 lbs

[@kolopier]

@@Talariaboys ok, that's pretty heavy, but its still ok. I think you can slower that weight with a mtb tubeless setup or a tubliss/nomousse setup.

[@flaovertosemi5212]

@@kolopierthat’s not heavy at all lol. Pushing 40+hp and the torque. The weight of the cells. Beefier swingarm. Rubber. Thicker spokes. Bigger brake rotors, calipers, even the levers. The titanium helps shave a few grams here or there. Which is enough to be worthwhile. Hell, even the seat is heavier than stock. Bigger motor. Primary chain drive is heavier than stock belt. Plus 180lb rider and additional gear. I’m surprised it’s that light honestly. But the motor/battery/controller specs are well suited for the bike’s weight and adult rider and then some. I would love to get a day in on it!!

[@AidenZ7334]

Just a question but are you guys mainly a channel with a store or mainly a store with a channel?

[@Talariaboys]

Channel with store, we started as a channel and have been doing that for years and just started a store to go along with it.

[@AidenZ7334]

@@Talariaboys that’s great, I’m thinking about getting a talaria and I live in Minnesota so what would the limitations be in the winter?

[@webste187]

should have put the ultra bee breaks on there! just get the mounts fabricated.

[@Talariaboys]

Don’t need them. These are working amazing and way lighter. This bikes also just lighter and has a regen brake too

[@webste187]

@@Talariaboys love to hear it!

[@inglewoodfresh5353]

Yes they do I just want one

[@mrludicrous1670]

The X900 comes with a built-in DC converter for headlamp

[@Talariaboys]

We know but it requires using the whole extra wire harness and wiring in something custom which we just didn’t want to do in this case, just bought a $15 dc converter instead…

[@re6_vlogz]

Now make a video about eride pro SS MAX upgrades Possible

[@aaronchadwick6011]

how much was it?

[@Talariaboys]

Parts add up to $17000 believe it or not

[@mikegeorge2767]

🔥🔥🔥

[@twall4381]

Thing looks like a beast, the purple has inspired me! Massive Saints Row vibes. :-)

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks man!

[@Adam.A.Higgins]

People in the comments are mentioning only $10k for this build? Is that true? If so, sign me up! I figured it would be closer to $15 to fully build a Telaria or Surron with the best parts?

[@Talariaboys]

We just did some quick math, retail is about $17000 before tax and shipping on any parts

[@CoolWatts]

Waaaaay more than $10k.

[@ericthedesigner]

@19:00 minutes I realized the bike is on a stand. :( I need a bike that is as tall as a sur ron on a stand. LMAO! Such a small little itty bitty bike. lol

[@ES-pt9te]

you gotta be careful with that front brake line on the inside of the fork make sure that doesnt hit the spokes or it will burst.

[@Talariaboys]

They are always supposed to be on the inside man. If you set it up right it will never rub on the spokes. If you route it on the outside and tip your bike over or crash it will rip your whole brake line off.

[@ES-pt9te]

@@Talariaboys oh ok i saw surronster had his on the inside he mustve not set his up quite right because his spokes rubbed away his line. Mine is on the outside right now i need to change it. Thanks for the intel

[@SimplyADQT]

Bro I can’t wait to get me a eride pro but love the suron build

[@miguel360kmc]

I know this is dumb. But every frame up build I've seen forgets the KEY. It's small but simple $10 on Amazon even comes in purple to match the bike

[@miguel360kmc]

There is even key delete options make it a push button or card NFC. But I been waiting to see someone do a "USB" key. Super easy to do I know a guy that can make custom USB ignition systems for anything. Think about the options like the iron Man arc USB that lights up when plugged in makes your bike look like it's powered bye the Arc. Or even the tesseract. Or Keep it simple a duck USB.

[@Talariaboys]

That would be cool!

[@iseepandas1]

35kw bike, but the battery is only rated for 30kw tho?!

[@CadeLockwood-tf7oi]

Some batteries can go over the rated limit

[@iseepandas1]

@@CadeLockwood-tf7oi I have the same ebmx battery..

[@Talariaboys]

It can go up brother, just need to know how to do it

[@iseepandas1]

@@Talariaboys did you have to unlock the battery with an app? I’ve heard it’s password locked by ebmx

[@hxthhhhh]

ebmx needs to work on their swing arm design a little. Atm it looks like a brick 🤣

[@Talariaboys]

lol it’s super strong tho

[@hxthhhhh]

@@Talariaboys yeah i bet

[@jakegreenwald469]

lol I built e-bike guys 100 mph bike for 2500 bucks, that would pull away from any Surron or talaria! Lol

[@flaovertosemi5212]

But can it hang with a Surron in the woods or on a moto track? It’s like saying a funny car is faster than a rock crawler. Get a grip. You’re flexing backwards 😂

[@BarkingStarDawg]

So tha main guy from 'Talaria boys' main bike is going to be a Sur ron.. what the hell man.. build your sting R back up and stop messing about

[@Talariaboys]

I still love Talaria and can always go rip on Reed or Alex's bike, it was just time to add a Surron to the channel and max it out, you can't get a Talaria to 35kw so that's why its here.

[@ianmangham4570]

Lmno, you still crying over someone else's choices.😅

[@BarkingStarDawg]

@@ianmangham4570 noone crying just trolling ive got a 72v ron aswell but this is talaria boys

[@emotolife]

Could you guys please hook me up with a bike, Im tryna up my youtube game!

[@TheRealAllurre]

Lmfao, really

[@crazycactusfarmer3250]

Only thing i dont like is the swing arm the ebmx ones are ugly and the stock ones look way better

[@Talariaboys]

Not going for looks man, going for functionality and increased performance. Thats why you upgrade to this. And so far it’s a huge difference.

[@ppsuck1220]

free bike for me?

[@brandonevans9521]

I’m confused why anyone would not powder coat when doing a frame up build

[@Talariaboys]

To save money

[@ethankleine6849]

Worst surron build I’ve ever seen

[@Talariaboys]

Sounds like someone’s jealous

[@ethankleine6849]

@@Talariaboys absolutely not the swing arm looks terrible honestly the whole thing does it’s just bad like no

[@Talariaboys]

@@ethankleine6849 lol let’s see your build?

[@ethankleine6849]

@@Talariaboys don’t have one yk why cuz I don’t have daddy’s money u really don’t like being hated on

[@Talariaboys]

@ethankleine6849 this ain’t daddies money brother. Worked hard to get this

[@bruhwhat3389]

can i have an surron?

[@mct8888]

"Not a bad way to spend 10 grand."

[@CoolWatts]

Believe me, it's waaaaay more than ten grand.

[@dukedub]

^The quote from f&f when they build the supra

[@mct8888]

@@CoolWatts would be nice to see the actual number. Any idea?

[@CoolWatts]

@@mct8888 @mct8888 Well I did a similar frame-up build, sans the EXT suspension and with a cheaper KO motor, but with a better (80v) battery, and at retail it was over $16k. Considering the frame, subframe, and brackets are about $1200 together (I used factory swingarm), you can calculate the total. kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5bIY4d6e51res0si=7cHVimhECAAgIqsn

[@CoolWatts]

@@mct8888 Well I did a similar frame-up build, sans the EXT suspension and with a cheaper KO motor, but with a better 80v battery, and at retail it was over $16k. Considering the frame, subframe, and brackets are about $1200 together (I used factory swingarm), you can calculate the total. kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5bIY4d6e51res0si=7cHVimhECAAgIqsn

[@vjexxxs7198]

Hi im buying the talaria sting R, how long can i realisticly expect it to last, 2-3 years or more u guys think?

[@Talariaboys]

if you take good care of it I'd expect it to last 5+ years. also if anything goes wrong or you break something you can purchase any replacements online

[@raekwondukes1034]

I wonder how much of this can be compatible with the eride pro ss 🤔 🧮♾️

[@Talariaboys]

Check this link out. Everything on this page will fit the Eride tbelectricmoto.com/collections/e-ride-pro-ss-19