How Much Power Do They Use Doing Nothing? | Rivian vs Lightning Vampire Drain Tested

[@artemZinn]

That is ridiculous range loss on Rivian side, jeez. I hated Tesla M3P losing ~7% per day with sentry mode, but 23% over 11 days or 2% per day on a 130kWH battery is just mind boggling. Hope Rivian fixes this asap. You can't claim being a "green" EV car when you loose so much energy doing nothing.

[@tumnasgt]

In my experience, with sentry mode and cabin overheat protection off, the Model 3 SR+ only loses about 1-2% a week

[@Tooradj]

@@tumnasgt they put in a glass roof and you have to use cabin heat protection to keep it from overcooking. R1 makes the vents motorized, then they have to try fixing the software issues that makes it difficult for owner to control the air flow....... I could go on but you get my drift. Many problems they deal with are self inflicted because buyers feel better about paying that much if the tech looks more advanced. Manufactur is not concerned about what you have to pay after warranty to fix a door handle that keeps popping in and out everytime you use it.

[@tomooo2637]

@@Tooradj Well, chose between a metal tin can roof or a glass coated roof - much of a muchness really. In a Tesla you have a choice - no overheat protection at all, no sentry - about 1-2 mile/day, moderate temperatures - up to about 20C - no overheat protection, no sentry, windows on vent mode - 1-2 miles day - I use this up to 25-30C (obviously not in dodgy place) - overheat using fan only (no AC) , no sentry - about 5 miles/day on a hot day - I use this up to 30C in dodgy places. - overheat using AC, no sentry - anything up to 10-30 miles day on a hot day - sentry mode - no overheat - about 10/20 miles a day - etc. Above 30C then you get battery cooling as well, so increased power usage. And no, my handles don't pop out for me, it just unlocks when I try to open it. Just remember on ICE cars you get vampire drain, we just call this a flat battery - no start.

[@Zamugustar]

@@tomooo2637 Thank you for mentioning that. Try letting a modern toyota, ford, or kia sit for 2-3 weeks without a battery minder and see if it starts right up for you...

[@Tooradj]

@@tomooo2637 of course some drain is unavoidable. I just think owner should have a choice in how much convenience they want to trade with how much power loss. For my usecase the Cap on that trade range seem extremely low in Rivian. I don't drive much and perfectly happy waiting a little longer to start the car, use a manual key to open the door and start the car if that is what it takes. Basically what folks today may call inconvenience to reduce that loss. Even though Rivian is much more of a likable car for other reasons, I ended up choosing Lightning pro because it is mostly not over designed. It's tin can roof does not crack when you try to wash the car in summer like Rivian. There is not enough real world data to support this impression and I feel funny saying this out loud about Ford but my feeling is, Rivian is much more likely to leave me stranded because a sensor didn't like something than Lightning. Again no real study on this except what I have read on forums from owners.

[@wzDH106]

The Ford experience is similar to what we've experienced with EV vampire drain, little to none with long sits. Rivian needs to figure that thirst out

[@davidgiles9751]

Good test Alex! I left my EV6 GT-Line AWD parked at DIA for 5 days a couple of months back in fairly hot weather. I check it with the app (refreshed) every couple of days when gone. According to the gauge, it lost 0% during that stretch. While I know there was likely some minimal loss, I'm very happy with the battery management of the EV6.

[@geraltofrivian516]

Rivian really needs to work on this. Sounds like they’re working on it with updates, but it’s still a pretty significant issue. I was losing 2 to 3 kW a day unplugged with mine. Now it’s about 2 kW give or take. I’ve set most of the settings to passive too. I can leave my Kia EV6 unplugged for a week and not lose 1%

[@alliejr]

They needed to work on this before it reached customer hands. This is pathetic. I would never release a product in such a state.

[@h8GW]

@@alliejr The same is said often in the gaming community, but unfortunately(or fortunately) most AAA games nowadays take regular patches.

[@Maplenr]

Amazing name

[@jasoncook1841]

Everyone keeps mentioning solar. Even if it had solar on the roof it should not do this, the solar should be used for something productive not to counteract vampire drain.

[@LeesChannel]

Depending on your driving habits, the Rivian may use more energy just sitting there than being driven. Wild. It certainly would in this household, because of work-from-home mandates we only drive about once a week for groceries, and the store is 2 miles away. We hardly ever charge our Mach-E.

[@h8GW]

Wow, sounds like the Rivian uses at least as much energy as an old incandescent light bulb _left on all the time!_ Shame, considering most laptops use less energy nowadays when actually doing computer stuff, _while powering a display._ I doubt whatever the Rivian needs to do while "off" takes that much processing power.

[@KlueBat]

This was my first thought as well. When Alex figured the truck was burning around 90 watts continuously, I was all like "screw the range loss, thats just wasteful!"

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

I thhink it's becuase it does not have a power button like the other two so it's needs to be ready to turn on and go at any time.

[@cgamiga]

Rivian could always go to deeper sleep mode, just like Tesla (no power button, but wakes up fine from the app or walking up to unlock)...? isn't about power button

[@ATH_Berkshire]

@@cgamiga Sounds like Alex thinks a big proportion of the loss is from the mechanical battery conditioning system rather than the electronics.

[@h8GW]

@Tim Hirst Rivian is either over-nannying their cells or that they know that they're trash.

[@Tooradj]

This is my favorite episode. Saving the planet by wasting energy can't be the bumper sticker on Rivian. Just because Tesla got away with it, it does not mean others should. I like Rivian more than Ford but I would choose Lightning over R1T just over this issue alone. Edit: I think due to battery warranty, Rivian is trying to be on the safe side with cooling at owner's expenses but their engineer on redit made it clear there are a lot of other conditions that gives R1 insomnia with user having no way to override them. I hope Alex comes back and compairs R1T with F150 with similar milage in 8 years in moderate and hot climate to see if battery degradation is any different. Of course there are a lot of factors and you need more samples than two but anything info is better than nothing.

[@cs1992]

No planet saving happening with EVs unfortunately. Lithium is a stepping stone to better things.

[@watchreport]

He won’t have either of these vehicles in 8 years. 1 of them is going within 6 months to 8 months, or possibly both.

[@Tooradj]

@@watchreport not these. Any

[@FriENTlyFire]

This just makes me want a solar panel option for the roof on the rivian instead of the glass

[@txdevops]

Math says that Rivian consumed ~90W per hour during that 15 day period. Basically, it was "awake" the whole time. Definitely, something to work on. PS: 130kW % 27% = 35100W / 15 => 2340W per day / 24 => 97.5W per hour.

[@davidjohnson7633]

The most under reported statistic for EVs is efficiency. And I haven’t seen anyone talk about power loss while sitting unused. Thanks for the information and keep it up! If the Tesla battery drain while not in use is still happening, the annual efficiency of a Tesla Model Y drops below a Kia EV6 AWD with annual miles under 10,000.

[@jackw9568]

For some perspective, a Kia Niro EV or Hyundai Kona EV draw about 0.25 watts when parked. Similar for Bolt EV. The most recent Teslas draw about 4 watts with all optional features turned off and deep sleep. For someone who works at home and only drives locally or rarely, they could spend more to park their car than to actually drive it. It's like owning an ICE car with a leaking tank.

[@ATH_Berkshire]

Given the price of electricity and your Tesla example is using a KWh about every 10 days the “drain cost” is a negligible percentage of the total ownership cost. The R1T is massively worse but even 5KWh per day is nothing compared to the interest and depreciation costs.

[@Zamugustar]

@@ATH_Berkshire Where i live the cost of electricity is around 6c per kwh, 10c at the top so in the above example youd lose 50c a day thats not even enough to half way fill my ICEs tank if you let it drain for a month!

[@jackw9568]

@@ATH_Berkshire The 4W figure I cited for the Tesla was the average consumed if left idle for 2 weeks like Alex did in his test. All optional features and mobile app access disabled. I doubt the car actually draws 4W continuous because that would quickly exhaust the small 0.1 kWh lion batteries they are now using to power the car when it's off. It would need to wake at least every 28 hours if it was draining that small battery from 100% to 0. What I suspect is really happening is that the idle/sleep draw is negligible or similar to the other cars I cited. But when the car eventually wakes up every few days to top-up the small battery, check for updates, etc. there is more parasitic drain during these automated charging session. Most of the power consumed from the main traction battery is not going to recharge the small battery but to power cooling pumps, fans, computers, etc. Seeing 200-300 watts drawn from the traction battery is not unusual during these idle charging cycles that could last 30 minutes or more. Maybe something similar is going on with the Rivian.

[@jackw9568]

@@ATH_Berkshire Forgot to mention one other thing. If a car has a large continuous power draw while parked, it would also go through more charging cycles of the small 12V battery, forcing you to replace it more often. Those are additional costs that Alex didn't even go into.

[@michaelhawkins5530]

Yikes on the Rivian! It will be interesting to repeat this test in February to see how the cold temps accelerate the drain in all of these vehicles. However, by then, Alex may have sold one of the trucks by then as he states he wants/needs to do.

[@advosburgh]

Rivian following in Tesla's footsteps. Phantom drain used to be a real issue on Tesla's for many years. They can fix this with software overtime likely.

[@alliejr]

Or... and try to hang with me on this... they could have developed it without such a ridiculous flaw from the outset. It seems like these startup automakers have the attitude of "ship anything when it barely works and we'll fix it later". I've NEVER run any of my companies in such an unprofressional manner.

[@h8GW]

@alliejr TBF, Rivian probably saw its segment heating up _very fast_ and knew they needed to release first or become irrelevant, so phantom power drain issues was not prioritized, considering all the other things a motor vehicle needs to go through to become a product.

[@0HOON0]

There are full size refrigerators that use less power than this. Hope it is fixable without hardware changes.

[@ouch1011]

At 85 deg, there is no reason the Rivian should have been cooling the battery. Most cars won’t cool the battery until the battery temperature gets over 100 deg. I’d suspect that the Rivian, like Tesla, has cabin interior cooling even when the vehicle is off. Basically it runs the AC to keep the interior below a certain temperature all the time (maybe around 100-110 deg) My Bolt, when left parked for 2 weeks outdoors in the middle of summer (at the airport) lost 1%. Most EVs will not consume that much power when sitting. That said, if you are planning to have your EV parked for long periods, it’s best to leave it at around 50% and plugged in the entire time, even if it is only plugged into a regular wall outlet. That will allow it to run the 12V battery maintainer, heat and cool the battery as needed but still be able to keep itself charged as needed. Basically, the same you would do with an ICE vehicle if it were in long-term storage.

[@EVBuyersGuide]

It only has a pet mode but that was disabled.

[@vbtwo31984]

It’s certainly possible for the battery to have been above 100 degrees when it was left out in the sun like that. Alex even showed the onboard thermostat showing 99 degrees outside. It’s still a pretty big battery drain though. Would be interesting to see a test of it being left alone in the shade though.

[@dav14pawest]

I can confirm your experience with the Lightning. I left my ER in my driveway at 55% for 10 days. Temperatures were in the high 20’s to low 40’s until last Friday when temps dropped all day and bottomed out at 5 deg F Saturday morning. When I got back from my trip Saturday evening the truck was still at 55%. The GOM may have reduced by a few miles over that timeframe but I don’t think it’s a reliable metric.

[@ericroe]

This is the big advantage of a power button. Sure it's a tad bit slower to start up, but is it worth the extra range loss to fire up 15 seconds quicker?

[@cgamiga]

It's something else. Tesla has "deep" sleep mode but still wakes up from the app or walk-up unlock, and loses fairly little over days/weeks (1% every few days?)... even Sentry mode using the computer (300W?), is about 1mile/hour....

[@CrazyWeeMonkey]

I know the battery drain was the primary concern of this video, but your note of the Rivian taking extra time to respond to keyfob inputs after sitting for awhile makes it even worse. My 2012 Audi still unlocks doors basically instantly regardless of whether it was sitting for 2 days or 20 days... And the Kia going into a deep sleep after some time (disabling remote access) is a bit silly. I get that they're doing it to reduce idle power draw, but EVs have huge batteries that a small phone modem+SoC of some kind could live running off of whilst connected for months. The power draw of a 10w device (phone SoC+modem at moderate load with lots of headroom) will consume 1kwh every 100hours, which'll drain a whopping 0.5%/day in a vehicle with a 50kwh battery. The Kia would benefit from something like that, but they probably aren't using that because it'd increase build costs by like $40 on every unit for a feature most people won't even notice.

[@irfanhusein1445]

I notice that same kind of loss on my model 3 and just 6 miles on my Mach E over the 15 days I was on vacation

[@sergiysaliyev9023]

Could you make another test with Rivian where it's not exposed to high temperatures? I imagine in most of the cases the car would be in a garage (because it needs to be charged overnight), and if the surrounding temperature wouldn't be as hot, the battery drainage would likely be lower.

[@LeesChannel]

Balmy, coastal Santa Cruz is not what many would consider to be high temperature.

[@salvadorbarreiros9376]

We just went on vacation for 10 days, left our 22 Mach-e LR unplugged @ 80% and came back to 80% in Miami Aug heat

[@garyclark6747]

I don’t know if I’d call that Phantom drain or flat out hemorrhaging but that is completely unacceptable.😳

[@Lustratum]

Interesting, I left mine out over the weekend from 6pm Friday to noon on Sunday and I got in the truck a few times and moved it about 20 feet on Saturday and lost 3 miles of range. Or about 1kwh about .5%. the ambient temps were 70's and 80's so maybe it is the battery cooling.

[@wpelfeta]

Honestly, this seems like a bigger deal than fast charging. I don't road trip much, but I do go several days or even a week without charging sometimes.

[@Zamugustar]

Then leave it plugged into a 110 outlet.

[@EDHBlvd]

Kiss your power bill goodbye, as your big EV is eating juice while parked in a garage.

[@markf8256]

Not that I am an all-electric vehicle candidate at this time, vampire energy loss is something I had not considered. Just another reason to watch AoA.

[@OverlordActual]

That's ridiculous drain on the rivian considering the battery size.

[@CeeJay591]

Hi Alex - thanks so much for doing this test - very informative. The only open question I have is if Rivian has done this by design, to keep some systems running to monitor battery pack temperature to increase the useable lifespan of the pack. It might be useful to redo the Rivian test when it’s parked indoors to see if it impacts the battery drain.

[@HenryBabcock]

Hope they fix this before I get mine in another year or so!

[@BarkataliMomin]

Thanks for your reviews

[@rightlanehog3151]

"Today's test is an easy one." How many of us ended up failing anyway?😂

[@HJP1]

I’ve had my R1T for 2 weeks now and noticed the vampire drain almost immediately which you just confirmed. I hope Rivian is able to work on this VIA software updates….

[@zanderhicks4717]

I am thinking the Rivian is consuming more battery power while parked to take care of its battery. On the other hand the lightning doesn't have much activity taking care of its own battery. Conclusion: I'm thinking the Rivian's battery would last longer

[@h8GW]

Or Rivian knows their cells are no good, considering we have Teslas @ 200k miles with less than 20% range loss.

[@USUG0]

I am puzzled by how EV automakers are still falling on this kind of issues, including rapid/cold gating as well. I am aware of them, and I am not even an automotive engineer or working in any car related industry

[@joshc6493]

The Rivian can't be an adventure vehicle with this power loss issue. How can you go camping for a week with an issue like this?

[@temaus]

This is where a solar panel could actually be useful! Imagine leaving your car out in the sun for two weeks, you come back and it’s topped off and ready to go :)

[@quartytypo]

Worse is the power loss when you try to haul something. Back to the charging station for an hour or more. After many charges, you don't even want to drive it anymore. But you still have 70 months of payments remaining.

[@TitaniumDR1]

The total battery vampire battery drain of all Rivians on the road is equal to 1600 gas f150s driving around. 100,000 kW hours per day lost due to rivians drain. That's 3500 homes.

[@MarcoPon]

A Tesla nowadays loose about 1% in a week, left alone and without Sentry Mode active. Phantom drain is definitely not an issue anymore.

[@daves1646]

Could some of steady state low level loss be communication with the ‘mother ship’, even when not driveing?

[@db4z09]

That almost a 1000kWh of energy wasted a year, even if you never drive it! Ford has over a 100 years experience with dead 12v battery issues and knows how important it is to minimize off vehicle loads.

[@skyemalcolm]

Gee, it’s almost like the power button on a vehicle serves a purpose by turning off vampire current. Who’d have guessed? 😂🤷🏼‍♂️

[@kleeenco]

Did you have phone-as-a-key enabled? Shouldn't have mattered too much as it seems you weren't near it but I am just curious

[@Obababoy]

Probably Alexa collecting wifi surveys and using your gpu to run machine learning :)

[@gene978]

I;d like to see this test in below freezing NE winter weather

[@tjs114]

I wonder if Rivian keeps battery conditioning active at all times?

[@rickbudde6372]

It is not necessarily doing "nothing". Cooling the battery can be benefical for battery health over the long term. Paying a little every day to keep the battery healthy could be a long term savings vs an unnecessary battery replacement.

[@LeesChannel]

Batteries have a very finite charge and discharge cycle life, I am fairly certain that that huge power drain is doing far worse for battery longevity than not actively cooling the battery when ambient temperature is 85f. On top of that, that's a huge amount of power that's CONSTANTLY wasted, that's like a gas car that drizzles gasoline as soon as you stop driving it.

[@handelrussell1858]

Air suspension updates! Inform us.

[@transendre1]

Could it be Rivian's 120v inverter?

[@kengreenberg]

Wouldn’t a battery tender help during an extended absence (like a vacation)?

[@ATH_Berkshire]

I’m not sure you get currently get a battery tender for the main traction batteries of electric vehicles.

[@endokendo6741]

Alex…if the ⚡️is in a deep deep sleep while you are on vacation (let’s say 13 days just like this test) when you returned were you able to cool or heat up the cabin via the Ford app? How about cool down or warm up the seats? Yes Tesla and the Rivian has phantom drain but one of the best features as you walk to your car (say you are 15 min away) is the ability to cool down or heat up the cabin…or turn on the seat warmers for those of us in cold climates If the EV6 (or other EVs) is in a deep deep sleep, not being able to use climate control to cool down or heat the cabin or cool or heat the seats is not ideal.

[@naveenthemachine]

Dont gasoline cars have something similar where they drain the battery a bit when parked?

[@EVBuyersGuide]

It is orders of magnitude different, the Rivian would consume an entire regular 12V battery under 10 hours.

[@theredmonkey]

@@EVBuyersGuide my friend traveled out of the country for about a month and did not plug in his Rivian and it bricked the battery by draining it while their Model Y was fine.

[@naveenthemachine]

@@EVBuyersGuide so all the systems in modern ICE cars (EVAP system, proximity door sensors, interior lighting, power adjustments etc) all consume a very small amount of power? I’ve even seen some cell modems in cars eat up a lot of battery.

[@naveenthemachine]

@@theredmonkey 😳. Completely dead after a month!? Hopefully rivian issues a software update for this

[@EVBuyersGuide]

Most ICE cars consume only a few watts when parked, almost always under 1 watt. Some cars may use a bit more for the first hour for some systems like AC drying, keeping the infotainment system in a shallow state of sleep, but after an hour almost all will drop down below 1W. That's enough for proximity sensors, the cell modem, etc. This is the issue with higher draw tech like bluetooth keys, sentry modes, etc

[@slairdstaley]

Another term that rv users call it is parasitic draw.

[@Sylvan_dB]

So 2 kwh per day overhead? Yikes.

[@doublehh666]

No wonder why second hand prices of Rivian are plummeting towards smaller to no premiums.

[@tzwc3571]

Rivian battery 135 kw loss of 27% x1.35 =36 .5 kw battery loss / 2.1 miles per kw= 70+ miles loss. Rivain has huge problem.

[@ltkwok]

Cars get so dirty when left outside.

[@Tinrs80]

I wish y/t did ♥️ vs 👍🏾. yeh ok man you being the heat with theses now! im like..you asking questions i had♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️! Thank you Alex

[@berthogendoorn2133]

Tesla has a cabin overheat protection, where if the interior gets over temp. It will run the air conditioner to keep the computer screen from suffering detrimental overheating which can affect the LCD and or computer & electronics.

[@tumnasgt]

Cabin overheat protection is intended for accidentally leaving kids or pets in the car, which is why it only runs for 12 hours after the car is driven

[@kdsewell01]

I have owned a full electric SUV before and lost 0% after no driving for a week or more. Wow, this is concerning! If you decided to go on a two week vacation, you would lose 98% of battery in this vehicle. Wasted money on electricity!

[@1970351C2V]

The range loss on the F150 is probably just because the battery has cooled.

[@EVBuyersGuide]

Both batteries started in the same state and were parked next to one another.

[@1970351C2V]

@@EVBuyersGuide Sorry, my post wasn't clear. I was offering that the guess-o-meter in the Ford is heavily dependent on temperature. When I charge my MachE (you may have noticed the same with yours), the range prediction will always increase as the battery warms up and then decrease if I let it sit a couple hours or overnight. It would be easy to test whether the F150 is similar by checking the battery % some hours after letting it sit to see if it stabilized. Or, you could use Carscanner. Great video, though. This is the first I've heard of the Rivian's power drain, and you make a great point that the overall consumption could make it (significantly) less efficient overall than the Lightning. By my math, the Rivian loses 3kw per day. That's 1120kw per year, about $134 in energy at $.12/kw.

[@EVBuyersGuide]

@@1970351C2V With the Mach E we had and this lightning the guess o meter only changed when climate control was active. With it off, or in the app, it's always the same for a given SOC.

[@barryw9473]

Wouldn’t it be better for the packs if you started at 80%? Why unnecessarily stress the pack by keeping it at 100% for weeks?

[@joemontana4370]

Ummm, because it was a test? He's a journalist.

[@barryw9473]

@@joemontana4370 no. You can do the test starting at 80%. The test is to see how much charge is lost over time. Journalist status is not relevant.

[@joemontana4370]

@@barryw9473 And he decided not to. No harm to the battery if its 100% once in a while. Likely if he had started at 80% someone would have second guessed that.

[@barryw9473]

@@joemontana4370 Yes, harm to battery if kept at 100% for 10 days in high heat.

[@barryw9473]

@@joemontana4370 ever wonder why charge screens on many cars have a suggested charge level of 80% for daily driving and 100% only right before a long trip? It’s only because the Mfg felt like adding that text?

[@cgamiga]

This is an important test especially for the Rivian, which I've also heard has bad phantom drain loss...thanks.. but, charging these to 100% and letting them SIT for days, is bad treatment for battery longevity!! These are not LFP batts! Would have been better for the battery and still valid test, to start with 90% or whatever car recommended, then check for losses from there?! Tesla once asleep, use less than 1% every 2-5days. It is very little. Many folks have tested this. Some features greatly increase drain (Sentry mode uses about 1mile/hour awake, 300W... or around 8% per 24hrs.. until 20% batt when it disables. Cabin overheat protection especially w/ AC can use some too, but that only is active 12hrs...) Fan running in the Rivian, might be for cabin air overheat protection like Tesla? 85 or 90F is nothing for a battery, at least ambient (eg not running heavy loads too)... it LIKES to be that warm. Cold, no... it would much more likely HEAT the battery if cold overnight. Hope they can fix it.

[@emtambulance201]

That certainly needs addressed. Tesla wall bad about that, but thru software updates that has gotten way way better. Tesla seems to lose about zero now

[@chrislonghurst]

It’s really nauseating if someone parks a Rivian near your house overnight. The fans cycle on and off so frequently it keeps the whole neighbourhood awake. They’ve got a real problem here.

[@watchreport]

Is it really that loud?

[@chrislonghurst]

@@watchreport yes. There’s two huge fans in the front. I think I saw on Munroe’s channel they’re a pair of 18 inch diameter fans. They have two speeds. Off and turbo. If you go to a Rivian service Center and there’s a line of them parked outside, if all the fans are on you can’t hold a conversation. There’s no reason to be trying to battery condition a parked EV. Especially one that’s been parked for more than 24 hours. Apart from the Muskmobile, no other EV has this problem. And it is a problem especially if you want to do something like leave it in long term parking at an airport for example. Losing 3% battery a day means you’re going to have to make sure you arrive at the airport with enough battery left to lose that amount and get home again afterwards.

[@JonasDavidsson]

Kia EV6 8 days: 0%

[@payrocoin]

Doesn't every battery go through "parasitic drain?"

[@ATH_Berkshire]

Yes, but it’s quite normal to be able to leave an ICE vehicle for say 6 weeks and it to start up with no problem.

[@romeofrosty]

Gee….. how much range/ power does an ICE vehicle lose if I left it parked for a month? Oh, yeah…. NONE! EVs are “energy efficient “? LOL

[@h8GW]

Except most EVs nowadays don't have this problem. Don't use worst-case scenarios to justify your biases.

[@thegraggs]

Tired of the EVs and lightning videos. Long time subscription but about to cancel.

[@SpaceZeee]

Once you really want to get some work done and haul, these things are useless.

[@h8GW]

Yes, Rivians are useless as a work truck, because giving it any cosmetic damage will cost a hefty penny to fix. And it's not like it can accelerate whole towing 8000 lbs like a bat out of hell.

[@SpaceZeee]

@@h8GW lol then what is the purpose of an EV truck

[@alliejr]

Once again, a startup thinks it's okay to let its customers ALPHA test their crap and pay a premium to do so. SMDH. The fanboys are really doing themselves (and everyone else) a disservice by supporting this kind of illegitimate business behavior.

[@appleiphone69]

This start-up is burning through so much cash, it will be a fold-up soon. And all the Gucci boys will be crying in their lattes.

[@djp1234]

EV’s are so delicate and fragile. You need to keep it in a climate controlled garage. And you have to be rich enough to own a house and a place to charge it.

[@h8GW]

Where did he say anything about this happening to every other EV?

[@tomb9758]

EVs are a joke... Glorified Golf Carts...

[@ScoobyFermentation]

Nice take. Who cares what you think.

[@tomb9758]

Apparently you@@ScoobyFermentation

[@Michael-wy7om]

I drove 10 miles after it said 0 miles because no where to pull off the road ,on my R1T two days ago in WV on a trip with not many charging stations and now the two 12v batteries used for small functions like opening hood are ruined and a Rivian service tech from Ohio is coming today to replace the two batteries at 600$ ! Wow expensive lesson foe me Rivian 😮 dont let your R1T drain completely a 600$ mistake not including getting frunk open by taking skid plate off underneath all this at 200$/ hour not covered under warranty 😮 be careful yall keep it charged and dont drive in WV where the mountains drained a crap load of battery life. Expensive lessons for me owning 1 month!